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December 8th, 2011
04:45 AM ET

Belief Blog's Morning Speed Read for Thursday, December 8

By Dan Merica, CNN

Here's the Belief Blog’s morning rundown of the top faith-angle stories from around the United States and around the world. Click the headlines for the full stories.

From the Blog:

CNN: GOP candidates court Jewish Republicans
All but one of the Republican presidential candidates made their case to Jewish voters Wednesday, voicing their support for Israel and criticizing Iran while uniformly hitting President Barack Obama's strategy of appeasement on the world stage.

Rick Perry has made religion a focal point of his campaign.

CNN: Perry hits Obama for war on faith, despite a ghost of ‘holiday season’ past
Rick Perry doubled down on his religion-based attack of President Barack Obama Wednesday, saying the president was preventing students from celebrating Christmas in schools. But just last year, Perry issued a holiday statement as governor of Texas that omits any mention of the Christian holiday.

CNN: Should nuns be on the pill?
Catholic nuns take a vow of chastity, so you might not think that any sister would need to be on birth control. But oral contraceptive pills have other uses besides preventing pregnancy; in fact, Catholic bioethicists say there is no inherent conflict in nuns (or any other Catholic) taking these very same substances for prescribed, therapeutic reasons, such as for treating heavy menstrual bleeding or endometriosis.

CNN: New Perry ad derides Obama’s ‘war on religion’
Rick Perry says that if he's elected president, he'll end what he calls President Barack Obama's "war on religion."

The phone comes with downloadable holy texts.

CNN: Islamic phone features 29 Quran translations; points to Mecca
What could possibly be more popular than the latest iPhone? An Indian company is hoping that among India's Muslims, it will be the new Quran mobile, a smartphone loaded with Islamic features.

CNN: Australian man faces 500 lashes in Saudi Arabia for blasphemy
Australia appealed for leniency after its citizen was sentenced Wednesday to 500 lashes and a year in prison by a Saudi Arabian court.

Tweet of the Day:

From @BostonJewishFilmFest: Is The Wizard of Oz more Jewish than Schindlers List?@tabletmag starts its Top 100 J Films list tabletm. ag/vsYu0f

@CNNBelief’s follow of the day:

Patton Dodd, or @pattondodd, is the managing editor of patheos.com, a website that publishes insightful multi-faith stories and commentaries. Though Patton admits he tweets “infrequently,” he is a great source of below the radar stories.

Enlightening Reads:

Huffington Post: Religion Stories of 2011 – The Top 11
In the final days of 2011 we pause to reflect on the year that has past - the good, the bad and the ugly. Here are the HuffPost Religion Top Stories of 2011.

Politico: Israel rift roils Democratic ranks
Two of the Democratic Party’s core institutions are challenging a bipartisan consensus on Israel and Palestine that has dominated American foreign policy for more than a decade.

Catholic News Agency: Vatican’s idea for day against Christian persecution draws praise
Religious freedom advocates are praising the Vatican's proposal to establish an international day against the worldwide persecution of Christians.

Religion Dispatches: BYU Skinny Jean Controversy: Sexism, Sizeism, or Standards?
The booting of a Brigham Young University-Idaho student from a university facility for wearing “skinny jeans” is provoking renewed discussion among Mormons about the religion’s increasing emphasis on conservative dress standards.

Quote of the Day:

I thought that the next chapter in human history could be a chapter dominated by religious conflict or by religious cooperation. At some point, I decided I had to stop talking about it and I had to get active to bring about what I wanted to see in the world.

Eboo Patel said this in an interview with the team at Aslan Media. Patel is the founder and president of the Interfaith Youth Core, a group that works with students to bridge religious cooperation and understanding.

Today’s Opinion:

New York Times: Joining a Dinner in a Muslim Brotherhood Home
If you want to understand the Islamic forces that are gaining strength in Egypt and scaring people here and abroad, let me tell you about my dinner in the home of Muslim Brotherhood activists.

Join the conversation…

Some atheist scientists wanted to expose their children to religion.

CNN: Study: Some atheists with children attend religious services
Nearly one in five atheist scientists with children involve their families with religious institutions, even if they personally do not agree with the institutions teachings, a recent study says.

- Dan Merica

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  1. Mark from Middle River

    For myself, I go with the other argument, in that where does it stop? How much money do we, as a country, pour into for example the Arts and such. A few years ago I was blessed to go with my sister to see the nu'tcrac'ker at the Metropolitan Opera in New York. Ok, I was not as impressed with it as I could have been but Art is Art. If it had been River Dance I would have enjoyed it way more 🙂 The Met is a non-profit but at the same time there are many non-profits that do more directly for the poor and hungry in society.

    Currently the Metropolitan Opera, according to the New York Times:

    “The Metropolitan Opera last year freed up $22 million of its $242 million endowment to help cover operating expenses. With the permission of the donors, $15 million was shifted into the less restrictive endowment trust as an emergency reserve. The move, reported in the Wall Street Journal on Wednesday, was yet another effort by the Met to manage a deficit that is expected to be about $4 million for this fiscal year. With the permission of Chevron Texaco, the Met also moved $7 million in restricted funds. The Met has reduced the total budget by $18 million for the current fiscal year, resulting in an operating budget of about $300 million.”

    300 million....15 million alone was put into an emergency reserve... Its not close to 8 billion but can you imagine how many kids could be fed decent meals before school or a host of many projects that most of us would deem worthy with just their emergency reserve? That is why I commented that what many of us feel as priorities is varied in our society. While I am not a huge pro-football fan and equally not that much of a ballet fan, I can value the leisure enjoyment that society benefits from both enti'ties.

    January 2, 2012 at 1:49 am |
  2. Mark from Middle River

    Abraxas. I agree but so many will just make the argument or dual arguments. The first argument would be if you account for all those whose paychecks are tied to the NFL. We are talking about a lot of people. If we stop short and just consider the owners, players, management, and administration.. then yes the picture can be viewed negatively by more folks. The problem is that we have vendors. I am talking from Nike and Under Armour down to the dude standing in front of the stadium selling big cheeseheads, dog pound gear and Steelers Terrible Towels. We also can throw in all the people that maintain and operate the stadiums, training complexes, transportation. The list can go on and on. Some would even point to the high execs and make the jump to the ballet school where that execs kids take ballet to attempt to justify why the companies and organizations such as the NFL are good for society. Especially, a society that is fighting with unemployment.

    January 2, 2012 at 1:47 am |
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    December 10, 2011 at 11:53 am |
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    December 10, 2011 at 9:52 am |
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  7. Poor Kids

    Wow, America really has declined in education. Every one of these comments shows a complete lack of education, complete ignorance, and willful blindness. Glad I don't have to be around you people in real life, that'd be miserable.

    December 8, 2011 at 12:58 pm |
    • Chuckles

      Que?

      December 8, 2011 at 1:01 pm |
    • J.W

      You must be an atheist.

      December 8, 2011 at 1:02 pm |
    • Poor Kids

      @JW – What makes you say that? I never once mentioned what I believe, just that almost every poster is a complete moron.

      December 8, 2011 at 1:07 pm |
    • Chuckles

      The arrogance, the snobbery and general atti.tude that you display basically lands you square on our team. That's what JW is driving at. Welcome! We have candy!

      December 8, 2011 at 1:08 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      Candy!!!

      December 8, 2011 at 1:11 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Chuckles
      Our candy is way better than those tasteless wafers the Catholics offer.

      December 8, 2011 at 1:11 pm |
    • Nonimus

      @Poor Kids,
      Please, enlighten us.

      December 8, 2011 at 1:14 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      And I would offer rum rather than wine – with no transubstantiation (sp?) mystical bullshit!

      December 8, 2011 at 1:14 pm |
    • Ironicus

      We also have free thinking. Dig in!

      December 8, 2011 at 2:39 pm |
    • captain america

      It isn't America that has declined, most of the posts here are from butt in canadians.

      December 9, 2011 at 5:04 pm |
  8. Nonimus

    From Vatican's day against Christian persecution:
    "Last year in his message for the World Day of Peace, Pope Benedict XVI lamented that “many Christians experience daily affronts and often live in fear because of their pursuit of truth, their faith in Jesus Christ and their heartfelt plea for respect for religious freedom.”

    He described the situation as “unacceptable, since it represents an insult to God and to human dignity.” The Pope also called it a “threat to security and peace” and an obstacle to “authentic and integral human development.”"

    A Freedom of Religion day sounds just fine, but 'protect the poor Christians' seems a bit self serving and exclusionary.

    December 8, 2011 at 12:40 pm |
    • Ironicus

      You're really great at understatement.

      December 8, 2011 at 2:40 pm |
    • Shem Azaz

      Wait what Christians live in fear???? Dude the reason why I had to move 10 miles out of the city and build my new house is because a evangelical busted down my back yard fence baring a shot gun to stop what he describe as a “evil magical ritual from Satan” and we called a cook out celebrating the birth of my little niece. Yeah Christians live in fear of persecution, well you would be happy to know I sued the guy now I own his home and moved in a nice Jewish family.

      December 8, 2011 at 2:54 pm |
  9. Ungodly Discipline

    Is this the Demi Moore and Ashton Kutcher blog?

    December 8, 2011 at 12:21 pm |
    • NOo..oON

      Aren't they all?

      December 8, 2011 at 12:34 pm |
  10. AGuest9

    Perry skipped Sunday school they day they went over "casting the first stone", eh?

    December 8, 2011 at 10:27 am |
  11. Chuckles

    first

    December 8, 2011 at 9:42 am |
    • ham

      What do you win? Something made in China?

      December 8, 2011 at 10:39 am |
    • Chuckles

      Usually it's just a cookie, but if you want to give me something from China, I'll take it.

      December 8, 2011 at 10:44 am |
    • cnn fortune cookies

      chuckie-you have been first so many times, so we like to give you this fortune cookie.clear your cache and browser and here it is

      *************You will soon acknowledge the Truth about the Savior and the Messiah, Lord Jesus Christ*********************

      December 8, 2011 at 11:14 am |
    • hippypoet

      hippypoet , the prophet

      say onto the lord god the SUN, we the people ask you why thoust shine and whom thoust shine for? ALMIGHTY SUN THEN SPOKE – WHY DO HUMANS ASK SUCH QUESTIONS WHY I SHINE FOR THE REASON OF MY FIRE BURNS, THE HEAT IS GIVEN TO USE...TRANSFERR THE ENERGY INTO ALL THINGS, I THE GOD SUN, THE ALMIGHTY SUN, ALL POWERFUL AND GIVING GOD TELL ALL INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO USE MY ENERGY TO GO FORTH AND SHINE IN EACH YOUR OWN WAY, FOR ALL I FIND ARE BEAUTIFUL. PRAISE BE ONTO THE GREAT LORD GOD THE SUN ,THE ALMIGHTY SUN , ALL POWERFUL AND GIVING SUN!

      thats the only thing worth worshipping...and yes, i went back to it! 🙂

      December 8, 2011 at 11:30 am |
    • Chuckles

      Man, fortune cookies have really gone downhill. The other day I got one in Spanish, at least that one had some wise words though the gist being, "do not stray far from a bathroom after eating a burrito" .... now THOSE are some wise words. Yours however is garbage.

      December 8, 2011 at 11:36 am |
    • cnn fortune cookies

      Apparently, you did not heed our advice.
      We asked you to respectfully clear that cache-there is too much junk in there chuckie, you can't see the truth.
      Clear that cache and anything else that has defiled that brain over the years!

      You will then see the light!!!, once you follow are instructions above.

      -:)

      December 8, 2011 at 11:44 am |
    • HellBent

      "We asked you to respectfully clear that cache-there is too much junk in there chuckie, you can't see the truth."

      Translation: stop any independent thought. Forget all facts and evidence to the contrary that you've encountered. As.similate.

      Quick Translation: Drink the kool-aid.

      This also works well if one wants to believe in Santa again.

      December 8, 2011 at 11:50 am |
    • Chuckles

      I saw this light this morning, it came from a massive burning ball 1 AU away from earth and the light was caused by continuous nuclear fusion.....is that the light you were talking about?

      Lets also get real here, if I would ever convert back to being a religious rube it would be going back to Judaism. I rather enjoyed being part of the chosen people, taking off holidays that other people had never heard of and speaking in a strange language every so often. Not to mention the perks of everyone as.suming I'm smart, rich and talented. So yeah, I think Judaism is the way to go, sadly for you since you are a goyim, we don't want you so, unlike you I do NOT invite you to join us, enjoy believing in your false idol and just know that the book you follow specifically states we're better than you.

      December 8, 2011 at 11:52 am |
    • hippypoet

      chuckles my friend,

      "So yeah, I think Judaism is the way to go, sadly for you since you are a goyim, we don't want you so, unlike you I do NOT invite you to join us, enjoy believing in your false idol and just know that the book you follow specifically states we're better than you."

      best insult ever!!!!!!!

      December 8, 2011 at 11:55 am |
    • Ironicus

      Now if only you could have said that without sounding like a racist....

      December 8, 2011 at 12:11 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @Ironicus

      It was supposed to sound racist, beacuse that's part of the jewish ethos that made me in part start question judaism and by extension religion.

      December 8, 2011 at 12:33 pm |
    • Ironicus

      More irony! I love it!

      December 8, 2011 at 12:54 pm |
    • fred

      Chuckles
      Paul saw the light and you may soon see that light yourself in one of the 8 candles this year. More is expected of the chosen ones as more was given.
      Once again the Divine truth of God’s word shines a spot light on the Jewish character of the chosen one. From the beginning of time through AD70 the nature of man is revealed in His chosen ones. Chuckles you have not shaken your heritage and I am not sure that is possible. Your rejection of God follows the patterns of the chosen ones. Since the beginning these chosen ones were held on high for all to see. A shining example, the radiance of God, so bright even Moses had to wear a veil when he came down from the mountain. Gifted and chosen for a personal relationship with God they were given special blessings and special revelations. As with Lucifer and Adam it was not good enough to live off what God provides. Freedom from the slavery and bondage of Egypt and the Babylonians wore off quickly, manna lost its flavor on the bedpost overnight, the promised land was full of giants and temptations and the glory of God with them was exchanged for Kings like the other nations had. Then we see; the hope, the promise, the Messiah came after 2,000 years of waiting. Christ the glory and fullness of God arrived but, the chosen ones were looking for a man made god that fit their image. Christ should have been a great handsome King greater than King David. The Kingdom this King brought in should have been filled with the power and riches of man – a materialistic kingdom. Christ had no material wealth, muddled features, was nothing but a servant, from Nazareth and hung out with low life. Immanuel God with us was rejected by the chosen ones. The God of Abraham in all his power was not good enough and Christ the loving servant was not good enough.
      Christ opened the doors to the Kingdom for all people not just the chosen ones. The chosen ones continue in their rejection of Christ as do the Gentiles. The basis of rejection is the same; God cannot measure up to the desires and image of man. Man places self above God. Like the criminal on the cross mocking Christ; if you are God come down from your cross and show yourself, prove that you are God.
      God is not racist, he shows us that all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

      December 8, 2011 at 1:43 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Fred, great post. Thanks for sharing.

      Amen.

      December 8, 2011 at 2:04 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @fred

      Yadda Yadda Yadda, I get it, you like jesus. Like I said before though, we're the chosen ones, you aren't, even jesus thought so. Paul was just a self-hating jew who took it too far and put a target on the back of the other jews because he had a giant chip on his shoulder.

      By the way, when you get a congrats from HeavenSent you know you went out of the sane bounds and into crazy territory

      December 8, 2011 at 2:09 pm |
    • Yawn, Yawn

      “The basis of rejection is the same; God cannot measure up to the desires and image of man. Man places self above God. Like the criminal on the cross mocking Christ; if you are God come down from your cross and show yourself, prove that you are God. “

      Yawn, Yawn, Yawn….. same shit different day. The god you are claiming that exists is a man made concept created in man’s imagination. Just like you have rambled on making crap up about a God which on numerous occasions on this blog you have been shown to be wrong. Yet here you are again continually to make more crap up signifying nothing.

      December 8, 2011 at 2:19 pm |
    • Josh

      Ah, Chuckie you are missing a important point in the Bible

      If you are quoting from the Bible, I would suggest you first read and understand Romans 10:12 to understand this very very important truth about how we are all equal in the eyes of God.

      December 8, 2011 at 2:24 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @Josh

      No no, I read it right. According to traditional judaism, the New Testement is just a bunch of tripe written to justify persecuting us and if you read really carefully the Torah among other books says that we as jews are the chosen ones, all you other haters are just jealous, which we totally get. I mean, if you knew god existed but chose a different group of people and then some shmucko came around and said god told him it's cool to let the gentiles in now then I understand why you would jump at the opportunity, but lets get real, god chose us, not you. Jesus chose us, not you. It was Paul who finally let you all in, but he was an as.shole which is why jews still exist and why we have not and never will accept jesus as the savior or messiah. If you don't like it .... well tough.

      December 8, 2011 at 2:29 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Chuckles, you joked in your post “I saw this light this morning, it came from a massive burning ball 1 AU away from earth and the light was caused by continuous nuclear fusion.....is that the light you were talking about?

      Lets also get real here, if I would ever convert back to being a religious rube it would be going back to Judaism. I rather enjoyed being part of the chosen people, taking off holidays that other people had never heard of and speaking in a strange language every so often. Not to mention the perks of everyone as.suming I'm smart, rich and talented. So yeah, I think Judaism is the way to go, sadly for you since you are a goyim, we don't want you so, unlike you I do NOT invite you to join us, enjoy believing in your false idol and just know that the book you follow specifically states we're better than you.”

      Answer: I wouldn’t laugh so fast Chuckles, you have more reading to do. Your Torah has you read, comprehend and apply 39 books of the Old Testament. You’ve got 27 (New Testament) more books to read, comprehend and apply God’s wisdom to your life or you won’t be sharing eternity with our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

      John 14:6

      6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

      Apostle Peter said:

      Acts 4:10-12

      10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
      11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
      12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

      Apostle John (he was the disciple that Christ loved) said:

      1 John 2:21-23

      21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
      22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
      23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

      2 John 7-11

      7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
      8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
      9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
      10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine [Christianity], receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
      11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

      Amen.

      December 8, 2011 at 2:35 pm |
    • SeanNJ

      Can someone load HS the $20 for the prescription copay?

      December 8, 2011 at 2:37 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @HS

      More goyim sh.it trying to justify why god likes them. Sorry, it's made up to make you feel better but gods already made his choice, the descendents of abraham, the israelites and now the jews. You can convert if you want, but it takes a very long time and I can promise you the first couple of times you ask we're going to say no. To become part of gods chosen you can either be born into it (like moi) or you can go through the arduous process of conversion no splashing of water or wafers and wine is going to replace that.

      December 8, 2011 at 2:43 pm |
    • sam

      @HS-Good Post!

      December 8, 2011 at 2:44 pm |
    • Ironicus

      I'm kind of hoping HS will have another brain aneurysm only this time it would be fatal. No co-pay from me!

      December 8, 2011 at 2:44 pm |
    • On the road to Damascus

      Saul was...

      December 8, 2011 at 2:48 pm |
    • GodPot

      " that we as jews are the chosen ones, all you other haters are just jealous" This is true, however, which religions tell their worshipers that they are not "God's chosen people"? I'm pretty sure every religion out there has some sort of path to a special relationship with their deity, so whats so fuggin special about the Jews? And what religion was Abraham before the covenant was founded? It says he was a friend of God, but wouldn't he have had to have some teaching or training to become a friend of God? Or was a just an atheist or agnostic living a good life and happened to do some things a deity he did not know contacted him? Did he accidentally burn a sheep at an alter that the randomly passing by Hebrew God liked the smell of?

      December 8, 2011 at 2:50 pm |
    • Josh

      If you are quoting from the scriptures then you need to read it. When you generalise statements such as Jews have not accepted...I will ask you to read about Moishe and Ceil.

      December 8, 2011 at 2:54 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @GodPot

      Good questions! Obviously you are right, I mean what religion would be like "worship that god over there and hopefully one day he'll like us as much as his chosen people" – which is what makes jews so fuggin special, because we said we were and we had the god to back it up. Islam and Christians both use our god and twist it to include them, but jews know that they're just jealous....

      I think Adam-Through Abraham were just lost souls before the covenant, but there's nothing in the torah saying what Abraham was before. Most likely since he was around Ancient Babylonia or whatever he was that until god whooshed down and was like, "Took me a little, but I've finally cooled off about the whole Adam thing. What's going on? People aren't worshipping me? Fine, I'll find the biggest rube there is and make him follow me, then we'll see who has the last laugh"

      December 8, 2011 at 2:56 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @Josh

      Are you asking where I read that jews didn't accept jesus? Pretty sure I just need to head to my synagogue and ask around, or really any synagogue being that there are still jews (Approx. 14 million of us) that did not accept christ because we weren't fooled.

      December 8, 2011 at 2:58 pm |
    • Josh

      1) Did u read about Moishe and Ceil?
      2) The Bible is clear about how we are equal, so next time do NOT quote the Bible and say that Bible says the believers are any less favored.

      December 8, 2011 at 3:14 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @Josh

      I'm not quoting that garbage. Why would I, being an Atheist Jew at no point would I have ever thought to myself "Oh, that bible is NEAT, I'll believe that for a while" – Sorry, didn't quote anything either, it's just wellknown fact, Jews (and I count myself among them now as well as religiously one point) know we're chosen and the rest of the goyim are not. We're not all equal, which is shown time and time again in the torah or "the old testament" where god clearly favors one group of humans over the other. So I'll say it again, it's too bad you're not one of us, if you want to be part of gods chosen people, convert.

      December 8, 2011 at 3:20 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @Josh

      PS, read about Moishe and Ceil - What a JOKE. These people are pariahs and might pretend to call themselves jews, but they most certianly aren't. If they accept jesus, they're with you and not with us. If they think they can evangelize, that's neat, they're still going to fail.

      December 8, 2011 at 3:22 pm |
    • Josh

      God loves everyone equally and he has demonstrated this on the Cross. Romans 10:12 is clear about this.

      You should also read Proverbs 16:18

      December 8, 2011 at 3:31 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @Josh

      Well I'm happy you know that as jews we follow the new testament, because that would make sense...... In any case, dear little josh, I understand that you want to be part of the chosen people, honestly if I were in your shoes I'd be a bit jealous too, however being a Jew god liked me enough to give me jewish parents, clearly you have some work to do.

      December 8, 2011 at 3:42 pm |
    • Josh

      Chuckie, jealous 'bout what?

      I HAVE THE SAME PROMISE YOU BELIEVE YOU HAVE.

      That makes us EQUAL in the eyes of GOD!!!!

      🙂 🙂 🙂

      December 8, 2011 at 3:47 pm |
    • Patrick

      "I HAVE THE SAME PROMISE YOU BELIEVE YOU HAVE.

      That makes us EQUAL in the eyes of GOD!!!!"

      No it just proves you are completely delusional.

      December 8, 2011 at 3:49 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @Josh

      Sorry kiddo, god's thrown his lot in with the jews, if you aint jew then you have no such problem. Guess you cut off a piece of your shmunckle for nothin, do they do reverse circu.mcision surgeries where you're from?

      December 8, 2011 at 3:49 pm |
    • fred

      Chuckles
      You do believe in the Torah ,yes. So, those parts of the Torah that match the Bible are Ok......
      Setting asside your rejection of God all else in the Torah is an accurate representation of how the chosen ones see God. Do you think your ancestors were liers?

      December 8, 2011 at 4:00 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @fred

      Awwww freddy, leave it to you to throw down the gauntlet. First, I don't believe in the Torah, this thread was devoted to showing the chauvinism that is inherent in every religion. The torah is a nice collection of stories passed down from person to person, some of it written and some of it oral. I also don't deny that the torah is clearly used to show how the chosen people see god. Would I call them liars? That's a good question. Yes, I would but not knowingly or maliciously so, it's also part of my heritage so I respect it on that level as a cool way to docu.ment (in a sense) the timeline of where I came from. Not many others can do that. But It seems pretty clear that the more fantastical elements of most of the stories were embellishments, ways to either convince, cajole or add poetry to a story.

      December 8, 2011 at 4:11 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Chuckles, you posted "@fred, Yadda Yadda Yadda, I get it, you like jesus. Like I said before though, we're the chosen ones, you aren't, even jesus thought so. Paul was just a self-hating jew who took it too far and put a target on the back of the other jews because he had a giant chip on his shoulder.

      By the way, when you get a congrats from HeavenSent you know you went out of the sane bounds and into crazy territory"

      Answer: Jews remind me of folks that watch 3/4 of a movie and assume they know the ending. When you watch (aka read all of God's truth) the entire movie, then you can decide on what to critique.

      Amen.

      December 8, 2011 at 4:14 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @HS

      Actually it's more like We got handed the movie, watched it and congratulated ourselves, but then another producer got a hold of it, went back and reedited the movie and added an extra 1/4 to make it more palatable and claimed it was the real movie all along. Us jews just know the real truth. Sorry, but god and I actually spoke the other day, just shooting the sh.it and he was like, "Yo, Chuckles, why do you think there are now close to 2 Billion people out there that think I actually did any of the crap they think I did? I mean, if I wanted to make a child, why would I need to screw someone, a Vrigin no less! I could just zap him, fully formed on earth to speak what I wanted him to say. Then again they're telling me that it was me in human form! HA! Like I would want to hop on a cross!" And all I could do was just shake my head and chuckle.

      December 8, 2011 at 4:22 pm |
    • fred

      Chuckles
      “the timeline of where I came from” –Chuckles do you start with Jacob, Abraham, Seth or Adam?

      Your family sees God as revealed in the Torah. You can also “see” the same God as these chosen ones saw God and doc-umented it. The only disconnect then is between your soul and your mind. Just so do not need to argue “soul” let’s say the only difference between what your family sees and what you see is in your mind. The difference between group A (family) and group B (you) is easy to pinpoint since you are but one person. There is something different in your knowledge that group A does not possess or something Group A has in common that you do not posses. If that commonality is faith then if we give group B that same faith you will see God.
      Let us avoid faith since you do not have that and cannot understand what you do not have. Atheists claim it is their knowledge in science that rejects God. Give Group A all the scientific knowledge that Chuckles holds and the result is Group A still sees God and Group B does not. Therefore seeing God has no bearing whatsoever on scientific knowledge. Knowledge does not increase the ability to see God or reduce the ability to see God in the presence of faith. We can perform this experiment using your family (Group A) on any atheist in the world and produce the same results.

      Conclusion; Null hypothesis God is visible in the presence of faith. Alternate hypothesis God is not visible in the presence of faith – False every time experiment is conducted.

      December 8, 2011 at 5:48 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @fred

      Honestly, that was the most adorable thing I've ever seen, you trying to reject science and then use it at the same time. Like seeing a dog chasing his own tail. Just precious.

      You should probably stop trying to tell me what I think/believe or what my family does.

      For your first question – I don't start with a specific person, it's just a knowledge of a group of people found in the desert about 5,000 years ago and I carry a gene or two.

      Next, If you want to design an experiment a) try one that can be replicated by anyone, for instance you. Can you replicate this experiment again with different subjects? No? You do realize using the same subjects ("Group A" as you put it) doesn't count as replicating it, it just means you are just doing the same exact experiment. I understand you have a tough time keeping up, so let me flesh this out a little more. Replicating an experiment is using the same methodology with completely different subjects. Doing the exact same experiment (what you described) is what we like to call insanity (do the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result). Second, you're comparing 1 person to a group of people ... Ever hear of groupthink? Yeah, didn't work in 1984, didn't turn out too well in the Soviet Union. What about your line, "Knowledge does not increase the ability to see God or reduce the ability to see God in the presence of faith." – That's the saddest thing I think I've seen on this board. You have just told me that knowledge is useless because you have faith..... well let me be the first to tell you, learning is a GOOD thing and if it puts a wrench into the whole "faith" thing, well doesn't that tell you about the stupidity of faith?

      I won't go any further, but I will end with this. If you want to try and use science and scientific method to prove god exists, you are going to be very disappointed, you should probably stick with the whole, fingers in ears, eyes closed, saying "LALALALA GOD EXISTS LALALALA"

      December 8, 2011 at 6:12 pm |
    • fred

      "Knowledge does not increase the ability to see God or reduce the ability to see God in the presence of faith." – That's the saddest thing I think I've seen on this board. You have just told me that knowledge is useless because you have faith.
      =>What? That is not at all what the statement says. Scientific knowledge / the knowledge you have is useless to increase or decress the ability to see God in the presence of faith. No wonder we never make any progress if we cannot even agree on this. If Christians were willing to endure torture and burning at the stake by Nero rather than reject Christ do you think the explanation of evoloution would make a dent?
      You say my null hypothesis does not hold? Are you suggesting that if I give you the faith of Stephen from Acts you would still not be able to see God? If I give you the faith of Abraham you would not see God?
      Can you name one person Jewish or Christian with faith that cannot see God?

      December 8, 2011 at 6:40 pm |
    • what?

      "Can you name one person Jewish or Christian with faith that cannot see God?"

      That really puts Christianity in a nut shell doesn't.....oops that should be nut house.... Fred most of the atheists posting are former Christians that had faith and didn't see a God so rejected it, especially when you are willing to look at the true history of religion you realize what a load of crap it is. There has been so much brainwashing in your religion, so many lies that desperate people like you cling to it because you couldn't love yourself for who you were, and if I had to guess didn't have the mental strength to resist some of the downfalls of humanity, like booze and drugs.

      December 8, 2011 at 6:50 pm |
    • fred

      What?
      Ok, agreed those are a few of the downfalls of humanity I lack the strength to resist.
      I don't know which atheist you speak of so let's go with What? If I give you the faith of Abraham, Moses, Christ, Billy Graham etc would the knowledge of evolution change your love of God?

      December 8, 2011 at 7:25 pm |
    • What?

      "If I give you the faith of Abraham, Moses, Christ, Billy Graham etc would the knowledge of evolution change your love of God?"

      There is no God so there is nothing to love, all of it is lies to collect wealth, power and control others. What you have to do is love yourself but you are to mentally weak to do that which is another downfall of certain people in humanity.

      December 8, 2011 at 7:31 pm |
    • fred

      What?
      That is the single most clear statement of atheism I have ever heard "There is no God so there is nothing to love, all of it is lies to collect wealth, power and control others. What you have to do is love yourself " Negative and certainly the very opposite of everything Christ. Jesus had no wealth or desire to control others, he did not own any material possessions and on His death was naked, mocked , humiliated. Jesus came to give His life so others could be free of the bondage that this world will strap on you.

      December 8, 2011 at 7:42 pm |
    • sam

      @Fred-Good posts!, thank you!

      December 8, 2011 at 8:09 pm |
    • fred

      Sam
      Thanks ! May the peace of God that transends all understanding be with you wherever you go (Phillippians is a book I need to read whenever I lose focus on those things that are lovely and worthy)

      December 8, 2011 at 8:14 pm |
    • sam

      Thanks Fred, Peace to you as well!, I also like reading Phillipians.

      December 8, 2011 at 8:21 pm |
    • What?

      Negative and certainly the very opposite of everything Christ. Jesus had no wealth or desire to control others, he did not own any material possessions and on His death was naked, mocked , humiliated. Jesus came to give His life so others could be free of the bondage that this world will strap on you.”

      So Gandhi was a great example of humility and living your life simply but it didn’t make him the son of a god either. That’s the point. It’s a story, that people elaborated on and turned it into a religion. Doesn’t mean it’s real, especially when other religions of that time period had very similar dimensions to it.

      December 9, 2011 at 12:01 pm |
    • sam

      Jesus is the Son of God and IS the savior of mankind, as such your disbelief means nothing to this truth.

      December 9, 2011 at 4:46 pm |
    • What?

      "Jesus is the Son of God and IS the savior of mankind, as such your disbelief means nothing to this truth."

      You have no proof of that claim especially since the bible is a work of fiction.

      December 13, 2011 at 10:45 am |
    • sam

      What?-your disbeilef tantamounts to NOTHING contrary to the 'TRUTH'.

      December 13, 2011 at 10:50 am |
    • What?

      "your disbeilef tantamounts to NOTHING contrary to the 'TRUTH'"

      Your misspellings give you away every time, there is evidence but as it keeps being presented over and over again, you still won't see the truth. The log of your ego is making you blind.

      December 14, 2011 at 11:15 am |
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