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Tebow’s success has commentators, fans discussing God's role in football
December 12th, 2011
06:51 AM ET

Tebow’s success has commentators, fans discussing God's role in football

By Dan Merica, CNN

Washington (CNN) – Tim Tebow led his team to another come-from-behind victory Sunday, this time against the Chicago Bears. He has now won seven out of eight games as the Denver Broncos’ starting quarterback, all the while unabashedly preaching his devout faith in God.

"If you were not a believer coming into this game,” said Fox's Daryl Johnston after the Broncos win, “you have to be now.”

While Tebow’s unexpected success on the field has perplexed football commentators and fans alike, his faith and on-field success have led people to talk about belief, miracles and their impact on the sports world.

Tebow has even convinced some nonbelievers that more is going on than just football. Les Carpenter of Yahoo Sports, after assuring readers that he believes in evolution, dinosaurs and the big bang, writes this:

"But I also believe in Tim Tebow because there is no scientific explanation for what is happening to the Denver Broncos. There is no other plausible way to make sense of these games and the amazing, miraculous way with which they win week after week. … It just happened."

The question is this: Does Tim Tebow’s unexpected success, with his awkward scrambling style and his shotput-esque throwing motion, have something to do with a higher power?

Does Tebow really have God on his side?

The answers to that question run the gamut, and while the general consensus is that something special is happening in Denver, there are just as many who believe Tebow is benefiting from a good team as those who believe God sports the blue and orange on Sunday.

Bronco fans are not shy about discussing faith and their team.

In an article titled “Tim Tebow has the Broncos believing they can’t lose,” Mark Kiszla exhibits an overt belief that Tebow is getting help from upstairs. He writes:

“The magic of Tim Tebow is bigger than football and grows larger with each late-game miracle by the Broncos. Logic fails to explain this no-way-in-heaven, overtime victory against Chicago, unless you consider: Denver played as if victory were preordained.”

Looking for religion in that paragraph (between the uses of miracle, heaven and preordained) doesn’t take reading between the lines. And that wasn’t even as blatant as when Rick Telander of the Chicago (the town Tebow just defeated) Sun-Times appealed to God directly.

“And God, if you’re reading, doing some Monday-morning quarterbacking, would you mind telling the rest of us what’s up with this proselytizing young minister who did nearly a full minute of his famed “Tebow-ing” on the goal line, balancing motionless on one knee, chin on fist like Rodin’s “The Thinker,” while the rest of his team lined up for the opening kickoff?”

Telander even offered to speak in tongues, which surprisingly enough wasn’t the first time that idea came up on Sunday.

Former New York Giant Michael Strahan, when asked about Tebow after the game, jokingly spoke in tongues after the game to show his astonishment at the win.

But not everyone is a believer.

In post-game interviews, Bears players told the Chicago Sun-Times that “It’s not really what he is doing” and that no one was panicked because it was “Tebow Time.”

People online were equally skeptical.

If deciding whether Tebow is God’s quarterback were a football game, Twitter would be the field. Believers and skeptics have used the platform to make their case between a mixture of hash tags and fake accounts.

People tweeted about Chicago’s bad defense and Tebow’s rough three quarters. They also asked why God favors Tebow’s belief, while players on other teams believe in God, too. What makes him special, people questioned?

A fake Jesus Christ account, @Jesus_M_Christ, tweeted: "I think Dad loves @TimTebow more than me."

With all of this talk on Twitter, including from the Tebow doubters, four topics relating to Tebow, including #tebow and #themilehighmessiah, were trending worldwide on Twitter.

But not all football fans are ready to ordain Tebow. The New York Times’ Frank Bruni, who did acknowledge that he was a believer in Tebow, writes about this disbelief:

“Tebow performs a sort of self-righteous bait-and-switch — you come for scrimmages and he subjects you to scriptures — and the displeasure with that is also writ colorfully on the Web, in Tebow-ridiculing Twitter feeds and Facebook pages, one devoted entirely to snapshots through time of Tebow in tears.”

“We’re a team that keeps the faith,” Tebow told Fox sideline reporter Tony Siragusa after Sunday’s game. “We just kept believing.”

Whether it is belief in God, good play or a mixture of both, the quarterback whom the Wall Street Journal has anointed “God’s Quarterback” will continue to start for the Broncos - and fans will certainly be watching.

And maybe that is Tebow’s biggest accomplishment. In a year when the sports world has been rocked by scandals both on and off the field, Tebow has people interested in a positive sports story.

So whether they are watching because they believe in miracles or because they just like football, does it really matter?

- Dan Merica

Filed under: Christianity • Sports

soundoff (2,257 Responses)
  1. Chris L

    The kid is a hard worker, and a gifted athlete, period. He attributes his successes to his "god". Ever hear of the placebo effect? Well, it can be applied here too.

    December 12, 2011 at 5:41 pm |
  2. Barb Brennan

    Hey SeanNJ, whatever you want to believe...

    December 12, 2011 at 5:40 pm |
    • DARKSIDED

      'REPLY' LINK WORKS OK FOR YOU?

      December 12, 2011 at 7:22 pm |
  3. Fred

    30% of people in this country will believe almost anything. I wonder if the same 30% who think god affects football games is the same 30% who think Sarah Palin would make a good President. I guess god didn't like the other team 😦

    December 12, 2011 at 5:35 pm |
  4. Juan

    Troy, I wonder if by Plural you mean when God said "Let us make man". This could possibly be explained by the Trinity, one God consisting in three persons. The New Testament tells us that Jesus was with God in the beginning.

    December 12, 2011 at 5:35 pm |
    • Troy

      Care to speculate as to why the switch from plural to singular occurs at all, then? Or why it would happen at the point in the narrative where it would seem that one of the group split off from the rest and made the Garden of Eden? Or why there seem to be points where one member of the trinity seems to be defending itself or arguing with the rest (which would make more sense if the Hebrew god was talking to the rest of the pantheon)?

      December 12, 2011 at 5:56 pm |
    • Troy

      BTW – That is only part of what I mean. The Hebrew word used for 'god' in the first section – multiple times – is a plural form.

      December 12, 2011 at 6:12 pm |
  5. Juan

    Chris–did you ever consider that God could allow for free will? If he is all powerful he can also choose to allow us to make our own decisions. It's tough to wrap your brain around but its possible. Perhaps they only way he could experience true love from his creation was to allow them free will over their own decisions and not predetermine their fates.

    December 12, 2011 at 5:33 pm |
    • Chris

      Learn to use the reply button moron.

      "If he is all powerful he can also choose to allow us to make our own decisions"

      If he is as powerful as you claim he already knows the decisions you will make, then you have no free will.

      December 12, 2011 at 5:36 pm |
    • HellBent

      @Chris,

      Not necessarily – one can know what someone is going to do without choosing it for them. However, if this all powerful deity choose to create a being they know would end up being tortured for all eternity, you'd have one sadistic deity.

      December 12, 2011 at 5:38 pm |
    • Chris

      "you'd have one sadistic deity."

      If you read below you would see I said monster but we are in agreement. Juan doesn't know how to use the reply button, aka Bo.

      December 12, 2011 at 5:42 pm |
  6. Rob

    Most unbelievably retarded question ever...

    December 12, 2011 at 5:32 pm |
  7. Juan

    The transfiguration, the accent to Heaven. Those could have been what he was referring to.

    Your other arguments are merely arguments from silence. There are plenty of things that happened in the history of civilization that we don't have physical evidence of. At least in this case we have a written record of the Exodus. The problem is that in every other aspect of history, a written record is sufficient, but in the case of the Bible people want to disprove every single page of it. I suppose that if your argument is that every single thing in the Bible is made up then there's not much I can say to you since my faith and my belief is based on the Bible.

    There are references to Jesus outside of the New Testament such as Josephus and others. I can't remember them now but i've read their writings. The apostles were real people and they saw Jesus and wrote about him. The early church fathers had these traditions handed down to them from the apostles or people who knew them.

    The Jewish people who wrote the Bible believed in one God so I don't know about your reference to plural Gods. I will have to research this further before I can comment. Can you point me in the right direction?

    December 12, 2011 at 5:30 pm |
    • Tony

      "The apostles were real people and they saw Jesus and wrote about him. The early church fathers had these traditions handed down to them from the apostles or people who knew them."

      The evidence suggests it was 30 – 50 years after Jesus died and many of his apostles were dead too. They wrote it to create a religion to control men, doesn't mean it was real especially since the story of Jesus was taken from other pagan religions of that time period. 😉

      December 12, 2011 at 5:34 pm |
    • Troy

      In every other case, at least two other contemporary sources are required before something is considered likely genuine. Josephus doesn't count because he isn't contemporary to Jesus. Oddly, we have many contemporary writings, especially from the Romans, and none of them mention Jesus. We have huge numbers of writings about Julius Caesar, by contrast, who was born 100 years earlier. Even Herod. Nothing about a massacre of infants, though, and nothing about Jesus for around 150 years after his supposed death outside of the Bible. We have more contemporary sources for Sargon the Great (~3400 BC) than we do for Jesus.

      Every writing attributed to the apostles has been questioned and proven to have been written much later, not to mention the literally dozens of alternate versions of each that didn't make the cannon; some versions of those gospels didn't even include the crucifixion. The fathers of the Christian faith picked the versions of each gospel that best matched what they wanted in a holy book – they CREATED the NT to suit their needs. As far as I'm concerned, that shoots the idea of an infallible Bible out of the water.

      December 12, 2011 at 5:49 pm |
    • Barb Brennan

      I like your fight Juan, but your speaking to people who do not hear when God speaks to them, and do not feel the power of God, but in the end, they will and then we will see what happens, I do know if your going to heaven, I will see you there....God Bless 🙂

      December 13, 2011 at 1:27 am |
  8. remnant0888

    "The just shall live by Faith"
    True Believers (and I am a believer in Jesus the Messiah the Son of God) live by" Faith in Jesus" >> and His finished work on the Cross of Calvary! Nothing needs to be added to the cross!
    I do not need to have a sports figure show me the way to Jesus. But a dying world does.

    God could be using Tebow to show that He is in the business of taking care of our "day to day" needs.
    Like giving Tebow the "strength to accomplish the impossible". He is a bad QB!
    And if He wants to let Tebow win a few FB games ...
    So what?
    God will always have a bigger plan ... the Glorification of His Son Jesus.
    And the Gospel message of redemption.
    And no >>> God could care less who wins what, and what team is in top ... It is Redemption by Jesus!
    Remember with all the success that Tebow has now; his relationship will be scrutinized ten times over any other christian.
    Give God the glory for all the things He has done 🙂

    December 12, 2011 at 5:13 pm |
    • Chris

      "God will always have a bigger plan "

      Christianity cannot claim that God is omniscient and also claim that humans have free will. The claims form a paradox, a falsehood.

      Reasoning:

      If God is omniscient then even before we are born God will have complete knowledge of every decision we are going to make.

      Any apparent choice we make regarding the acceptance or denial of Jesus as a savior is predetermined. This must be true to satisfy the assertion that God is omniscient. Effectively we have no choice in the matter. What we think is free will is an illusion. Our choices have been coerced since we exist and act according to the will of God.

      Alternatively if human free will is valid, meaning that the outcome of our decisions is not pre-determined or coerced, then God cannot be omniscient, since he would not know in advance our decisions.

      Question:

      If God knows the decision of every individual, before they are born, regarding the acceptance or denial of Jesus as a savior, then why does he create one set of individuals destined for heaven and another set destined for eternal damnation? This seems unjust, perverse and particularly evil.

      Conclusions:

      If God is omniscient then humans do not have free will and the apparent arbitrary choice of God to condemn many individuals to eternal damnation is evil. I.e. God does not possess the property of omni benevolence and is therefore not worth our attention.

      If humans have true free will then God cannot be omniscient If he is not omniscient then he also cannot be omnipotent since knowledge of the future is a prerequisite for total action. Without these abilities God can no longer be deemed a god – i.e. God does not exist.

      If humans do not have free will then the choice of whether to choose Jesus as a savior or not makes total nonsense of Christianity since the choice is pre-determined and we are merely puppets at the hands of an evil monster.

      December 12, 2011 at 5:26 pm |
    • Barb Brennan

      Amen! That's just it, everyone is missing the true point to all this, it's so not about Tebow, it's about God. The media are obviously just doing there job by making something silly out of what is really happening here, God speaks through people and situations to try to get you to listen, it's completely our choice to listen to what is true and what is of the devil, and he has really shown up throughout these conversations and comments back and forth, but that's to be expected. The true fight is good and evil, who will win? God of course and everyone that doesn't believe will reside with the devil. Anyone can be saved, even John Wayne Gacey, after the atrocities he did, he repented and gave his soul to Jesus before they killed him. I know someone will have something to say about the Gacey comment, but it's true, and if we forgive everyone that has done anything wrong to us, then we will start to see the change come. How can I say such a thing? Because I was molested, and once I forgave him, I was free, I didn't forgive him for him or his salvation, I did it for me, and I was healed from the pain of relivng it. Try forgiveness and love in your life, and the change can't help but come... Thank you Lord, for your love and your mercy on me a sinner, in Jesus' name I pray, Amen........

      December 13, 2011 at 1:43 am |
  9. RFL

    Well he lost against the 'evil' Detroit Lions so I guess that means that the Devil is more powerful than God ?

    It is just football people!

    December 12, 2011 at 5:09 pm |
    • remnant0888

      It is not football ..It is souls that God cares for.
      You know God doesn't have to save or bring any of us to Himself ...
      He could have just let us go on our sinful selfish ways ...
      So do not blame God for man's stupidity.

      December 12, 2011 at 5:15 pm |
  10. MrBo

    I'm pretty sure God doesn't care about football...

    December 12, 2011 at 5:09 pm |
    • Reeeely

      Oh, he cares about football. But he only cares about "your" team, not the other team. Sheesh

      December 12, 2011 at 5:17 pm |
    • remnant0888

      He only cares in that obviously it is a dream of some of His own to play the game.
      What they do with the gifts He has given them will be weighed when they meet HIM ...
      "To much is given much is required"

      December 12, 2011 at 5:17 pm |
    • remnant0888

      "To much is given much is required"

      December 12, 2011 at 5:19 pm |
  11. Juan

    Troy I am sorry that you left the faith but the door is never closed. There are tons of prophecies that Jesus fulfilled in his birth alone- time, place, lineage, etc.

    Jesus never said he would return in the time of the apostles but there's no denying that many of them thought this to be the case. He did say that many would not taste death until they saw the Son of Man coming in the Kingdom of Heaven though. That's different.

    December 12, 2011 at 5:08 pm |
    • Troy

      Somehow I thnk that if you bother to CHECK, he was supposed to be born in Jerusalem, and that's just for starters. The people who were not to "taste of death" are LONG dead.and even if you assume they went to some afterlife, they STILL DIED. There are worse things – why is it when you go back to the original Hebrew, the word used for "God" at the beginning of Genesis is PLURAL, then switches to a singular form later on? Those are just the tip of the iceberg.

      When you get to physical events, it gets much worse. No evidence exists for the Egyptian bondage, the Exodus, the Tower of Babel, the Flood, or even Jesus himself (as a single, physical person). None but the Bible, that is; you are aware of the problem with using a text to provide evidence for itself, right?

      December 12, 2011 at 5:18 pm |
  12. Patrick

    Having religion is like having a pe –nis.
    It is alright to have one, it’s alright to be proud of it.
    But don’t whip it out in public and for god’s sake don’t shove it down kids throats.

    December 12, 2011 at 5:05 pm |
    • RFL

      Great comment! Thanks for the LOL

      December 12, 2011 at 5:10 pm |
    • Reeeely

      Is it okay to shove it down adult's throats? If not, I'm in trouble....

      December 12, 2011 at 5:29 pm |
    • Patrick

      Sure it’s okay, but only if invited.

      December 12, 2011 at 5:32 pm |
    • Barb Brennan

      You are truly a sick person, I will pray for you...

      December 13, 2011 at 1:47 am |
  13. Juan

    Are you saying that "Belief" blog has nothing to do with belief in God or faith? If it doesn't then this blog is pretty misleading.

    December 12, 2011 at 4:58 pm |
    • JUAN'S MOM

      TOO MUCH POSTING AND NOT MAKING SENSE TODAY, HONEY. TIME TO GET BACK TO YOUR HOOKED RUG PROJECT THAT YOU'RE WORKING ON FOR AUNT ELAINE.

      December 12, 2011 at 7:25 pm |
  14. Dino

    There is one non paralel between Jesus and all the rest, He claimed to be God and proved, He dont ask us to do anything for Him, He did it for us, we dont make sacrifices for Him, He made the sacrifice for us, Thank you Jesus

    December 12, 2011 at 4:55 pm |
    • HellBent

      "proved"

      You clearly don't know what that word means.

      December 12, 2011 at 4:56 pm |
    • Actually

      Yo, learn to use the reply button Bo it's annoying!

      December 12, 2011 at 4:58 pm |
    • U.S. Common Sense

      Actually, you do need to make sacrifies for him. As Acts 2:38 says, "Rependt, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the foregiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." In other words, you have to sacrifice your sinful life and accept life that in this world, but not of this world.

      December 12, 2011 at 5:00 pm |
    • remnant0888

      He did "prove that He is God"
      Over hundreds of prophesies were fulfilled by His birth, death, and resurrection alone !
      But stupid/prideful mankind have been blinded by their own godhood ...or their wanting to become a god in their own miserable lives ...
      Let's see you calm a storm ...or raise the dead ... or appear to over "500 witness" after your death!
      Let's see what you say after He Comes again to Judge the Living and the Dead!

      You know it still amazes me at my 64 years ... that people are so wrapped up in their Lives (that they say they want to build without ANY God) That they shut down ANY witness that God just may be REAL ... AND COMING SOON?
      In the dark OF THE night when you are alone>>> I challenge you to take into account that you DO NOT KNOW EVERYTHING THAT IS ...OR WAS ..OR WILL BE!!!

      December 12, 2011 at 5:28 pm |
    • Chris

      "Let's see you calm a storm ...or raise the dead ... or appear to over "500 witness" after your death!'

      There is no proof of that, plus there are religions of that time to claim the same thing, now what.

      December 12, 2011 at 5:30 pm |
    • Tony

      "NY witness that God just may be REAL ... AND COMING SOON?"

      If you read your bible that time has come and gone which further proves the bible is a work of fiction.

      December 12, 2011 at 5:31 pm |
  15. Dino

    The bible is my history and my future, whats yours? God loves all of us and wants us all to be saved, when I die I know where I am going without a doubt if the bible is true and I know where unbelievers are going if the bible is true. If the bible is not true then I gues i aint going nowhere like the rest of us. Why would anyone want to take that chance. Come on people give God a chance we all need God.

    December 12, 2011 at 4:52 pm |
    • derp

      Pasclsl wager = repeated jesustard fail

      December 12, 2011 at 4:54 pm |
    • HellBent

      My history doesn't involve talking snakes, petulant deities, or global floods so that said deity can have a mulligan.

      As for your second point, try googling 'pascal's wager' to discover how absurd it is. Hint: let's hope you picked the right god to believe in, and believe in him the right way, and hope he doesn't award gambling

      December 12, 2011 at 4:55 pm |
    • USmellLikePee

      Why would I take advice from someone who thinks our country was founded on biblical priciples because they added In God We Trust to money in the 1950s?

      December 12, 2011 at 4:56 pm |
    • johann1965

      You know already that you are going to heaven? I do not presume so much. I am a sinner, and everyday I try harder to be a better person. Knowing you are going to heaven is like proclaming you are perfect... I stand in the light of God and submit to his judgement, and try everyday to be worthy of him, my family, my children and my fellow humans.

      December 12, 2011 at 5:07 pm |
    • johann1965

      Just clarifying...I don't know if God is a Him or a Her or what. But I do believe God is.

      December 12, 2011 at 5:09 pm |
    • Reeeely

      God is a Muslim, haven't you heard?

      December 12, 2011 at 5:20 pm |
    • Barb Brennan

      Exactly what I have been saying, thanks Dino.. I'll see ya in heaven! cause I also know where I am going, and these people are mistaking religion for spirituality, its about the relationship you have with God, we can pray for these unbelievers to find out the truth about God instead of just repeating what other people have said before them, because if they truly searched for God they would find out who He truly is, the ALPHA and the OMEGA, it began and ends with Him.. God Bless you Dino, but you can't argue with these people, we just have to pray for them...:)

      December 13, 2011 at 1:57 am |
  16. U.S. Common Sense

    The real question to be asked is, "Does it matter?"

    I've read too many comments saying "God doesn't choose a team" and "Does Tebow say 'Thank you Lord' when he loses," but I think these people are missing the bigger picture. "IF" there is a God, and God is involved with the Broncos, he's not there helping the Broncos to win or to raise Tebow up as some sort of icon, but rather to demonstrate what the power of faith might accomplish. And "WHEN" the Bronco's finally lose a gain between now and the Superbowl, we hope to see the grace and character of a team that accepts their role not as football champions, but as a tool to bring people together and to reengage in the discussion of faith. After all, when was the last time we've had a positive story in our nation that has brought forth half-serious or even serious discussions on the existence of God?

    That said, the Broncos have been on a roll and have had a lot of things fall their way in their comeback wins. Be it God or dumb luck, it's hard not to cheer for the little engine that could. In many ways, I compare this team to the 2001 Patriots. Many of their victories were ugly, but they managed to piece together enough victories to enter the playoffs and, with a little "divine intervention" with the "tuck rule," went on to win Superbowl 36 over the dominating St. Louis Rams with a last-second field goal. A miracle that a team named the "Patriots" would find a way to work together and win the big game as underdogs in the year the season was interrupted by the worst terrorist attack on our soil? I can't say, but it definitely lifted the morale of the nation.

    December 12, 2011 at 4:50 pm |
    • johann1965

      If God were actually manipulating us like this everday, what's the diffference between this football team and some researcher looking for a cancer cure? The gifts we've been given we use on our own, and luck favors the prepared mind. There are plenty of reasonable and predictable reasons for success without laying the credit at God's feet.

      December 12, 2011 at 5:03 pm |
    • U.S. Common Sense

      @johann,

      And you would be right. And who is to say that God has or hasn't aided scientists with their medical breakthroughs (for example)? IF God exists, and he did make what we have now, then we would have to assume that he has a plan for us, and we are tools for relaying his message to others.

      December 12, 2011 at 5:10 pm |
    • Barb Brennan

      Thanks Common Sense, very good point, but it is going on deaf ears, their hearts have been hardened, their eyes have been blinded, but we can pray for them, prayer changes things.. I know, I have proof..the miracles that God has given me is my proof and all the proof I need, and it doesn't matter who believes me, the only way to truly believe is to experience it for yourself, and I pray that you do, In Jesus' name, Amen.... 🙂 God Bless you all

      December 13, 2011 at 2:01 am |
  17. Ben

    Relying on imaginary people for support is a sure sign of weakness. Oh, I'm scared... I need an imaginary superhero on my team to make everything alright. I don't want to die... that's alright, you can come live in a wonderland full of unicorns, gumdrops, and rainbows. All you have to do is follow my rules. Oh, and if you don't follow them, the worst boogieman I can think of will get you. I'm no longer surprised, but I'm still sadened that religious people cannot see the incredibly obvious parallels between their myths and the myths of ancient mankind. Zeus, Thor, Poseidon, Vulcan, Helios, Isis, Odin, Budhah, Mithra, Osiris, Jaweh... they're all the same myth revisited. Look it up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miraculous_births

    December 12, 2011 at 4:48 pm |
    • U.S. Common Sense

      So, you're saying you 'believe' that there isn't a higher power out there. Glad to see you have 'faith' in something you can prove, unlike those silly religious types that 'believe' in God and have 'faith' in his/her existence, even though they can't prove it.

      December 12, 2011 at 4:53 pm |
    • U.S. Common Sense

      That should be 'can't prove.' Darn typo. 😦

      December 12, 2011 at 4:54 pm |
    • HellBent

      @US Common Sense:

      So, if I believe that there purple polka dotted fairies that control the fate of human events, you would not find this silly?

      A lack of a belief is not a belief just as not collecting stamps is not a hobby.

      December 12, 2011 at 4:58 pm |
    • U.S. Common Sense

      @HellBent,

      If that is what you believe, then that is what you believe. It isn't something that can be proven in one direction or another. Which goes back to Ben's post. He's insulting people of one belief because it runs contrary to his own beliefs. Neither party can prove nor disprove the existence of God, or purple polka dotted fairies, or people wearing Togas standing on top of a Olympus, so to make fun of someone's beliefs is at the least exposing their ignorance because they have no starting foundation to base their argument on.

      December 12, 2011 at 5:06 pm |
    • Barb Brennan

      The only reason your saying this is because you don;t want to believe you are the weak one, we that believe in God are strong because of Him, not because of us, it's not about us Ben, it's about God, when you stop relying on your own will power and believe in a power greater than yourself you will find God, and you will have true peace, and I can say for certain you do not know true peace because you do not believe, I will pray for you...God Bless you 🙂

      December 13, 2011 at 2:06 am |
  18. IS GOD REAL ?????

    @actually

    LOL !!! You obviously have your own thoughts about what is real and what isn't. I would love to read some more of your thoughts or where you have gained your knowledge or some of your experiences. I actually like reading comments from people with different viewpoints. However, I havent met one unbeliever who has made a good and honest effort to test the scriptures out to see if it is real or not. Debating without proving is futile. I actually have been on both sides of the coin, I have been a unbeliever and now a believer. If you have your own experiences about why you feel God is not real, please post them I wll come back and try to find your comments. I have to go get a child and take him to get a haircut.

    December 12, 2011 at 4:48 pm |
    • Actually

      "about why you feel God is not real, please post them I wll come back and try to find your comments."

      Earthquakes, tsuanmis, hurricanes, tornadoes, flash floods, starvation, rabies, asthma, diabetes type 2, creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, influenza, lupus erythematosus, polio, ebola, AIDS, cancer, etc...etc..etc...

      December 12, 2011 at 4:56 pm |
    • Troy

      I was a good Christian for more than twenty years, before critical thinking caught up to me. I started with questions like "where is the evidence for the Flood," then moved on to "why did Jesus fulfill none of the OT prophecies about him except that a supposed messiah was born?" From there things went downhill. The OT is full of prophecies that are only accurate if you squint really hard, turn your head sideways, and only read half of the text. Genesis bears no resemblance to the physical evidence. Jesus supposedly stated that he would return within the lifetimes of some of those who saw him after he supposedly rose. Most of the events of the Bible have NO supporting evidence outside of it.

      I gave Christianity a chance. It failed on the evidence.

      December 12, 2011 at 4:58 pm |
    • LetsPlay

      Statistically analyze prayer
      Look at all historical gods
      Think about science
      Understand religious delusion
      Understand ambiguity
      Watch the offering plate
      Notice that there is no scientific evidence
      Take a look at slavery
      Contemplate the contradictions
      Think about Leprechauns
      Notice that you ignore Jesus
      Notice your church
      Count all the people God wants to murder
      Ask why religion causes so many problems
      Notice that the Bible's author is not "all-knowing"
      Notice how many gods you reject
      Examine God's sexism
      Understand that religion is superstition
      Examine your health insurance policy
      Realize that God is impossible
      Think about DNA
      Contemplate the divorce rate among Christians
      Realize that Jesus was a jerk
      Flip a coin
      Realize that a "hidden God" is impossible
      Think about a Christian housewife
      Compare prayer to a lucky horseshoe
      Ask Jesus to appear in real life not in your imagination.

      December 12, 2011 at 5:06 pm |
    • exchristian

      Suppose you or a close family member has a terminal disease like cancer which cannot be medically cured? A certain time line is given, so like all hopeful human beings, you humbly and diligently pray to the almighty God who says in the Bible he answers prayers. Time and reality passes, the disease takes it's toll, and your prayers go unanswered.

      Maybe one in a million may be saved, but looking at a 99.9999% failure rate for prayer is evidence that God does not exist. Now, compare it to an atheist who suffers the same terminal disease and wishes for healing. The same 99.9999% failure rate occurs.

      Now compare it to a devout Muslim suffering the same terminal disease and prays to his/her god for healing, and still results in a 99.9999% failure rate. Similarly, the Hindu, Jew, Buddhist, etc... all face 99.9999% failure rates.

      Doesn't this indicate you you that there is no God? Perhaps one of the numerous worshiped gods do exist, but wouldn't that omnipotent god produce better than a 99.9999% failure rate, or else what is the purpose of worshiping that god if he doesn't answer your prayers? Doesn't common logic and sense exist anymore?

      December 12, 2011 at 5:14 pm |
    • Barb Brennan

      Exactly my feeling, IS GOD REAL??? thank you, as I was too a non believer until I had nothing left to believe in but God, and I'm so greatful He had mercy on me and took me where I had to go to figure it out, hell on earth, and the only way out was God or misery, and I finally chose God.. Amen.. God Bless you all... 🙂

      December 13, 2011 at 2:11 am |
  19. Juan

    Jimbo you clearly ignored what I said before. Sure there have been atrocities commited in the name of God. Guess what? That's man for you. Twisting and warping the scriptures to suit himself. Blaming Christians for those attrocities is like blaming Americans today for the slaughter of Native Americans and the enslavement of the African.

    Many things have been done in the history of humankind that we should not be proud of. But show me in the Gospels where it tells us to kill those who don't believe the way we do? Did Christ not say "Love your enemy as you love yourself"?

    December 12, 2011 at 4:47 pm |
    • remnant0888

      Amen ...
      Jesus preached a Kingdom that we shall inherit that is not this time nor OF this place.
      Even the Jews of Christ's time wanted Him to become a King .. THEN ...
      Man is always impatient.
      God is God and will do everything in His time.

      December 12, 2011 at 5:37 pm |
    • Barb Brennan

      Amen!!

      December 13, 2011 at 2:13 am |
  20. Patrick

    If Tebow really believed that god decides the games (in advance as he is all knowing), why would he waste time working out or going to practice? He’s belief is as self deluding as those who think prayer saved their sick or injured loved one when in truth it was a doctor and his medicine.

    P.S. The NFL needs to investigate god for game fixing.

    December 12, 2011 at 4:46 pm |
    • U.S. Common Sense

      Can you show us anywhere that Tebow believes that God is deciding the games?

      December 12, 2011 at 4:56 pm |
    • remnant0888

      I don't think that Tim Tebow is believing that God is making him win games ..
      But that God is giving him the strength to play the game he loves.

      December 12, 2011 at 5:34 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Meanwhile, his teammates are working together to give the team the victories that Tebow is thanking his god for.

      December 13, 2011 at 1:30 am |
    • Barb Brennan

      Your comments are not thought out Patrick, you clearly don't know what your talking about, you just want to debate someone without the facts....God Bless you, I will pray for you... 🙂

      December 13, 2011 at 2:15 am |
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