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December 19th, 2011
12:08 PM ET

Christianity goes global as world's largest religion

By Richard Allen Greene, CNN

(CNN) - Christians are by far the largest religious group on the planet, and the religion has gone truly global over the past century, according to a new report out Monday, which finds some of the world's biggest Christian communities in surprising places.

Europe was the clear center of world Christianity one hundred years ago, but today the Americas are home to more than a third of all Christians. In fact, the United States has the world's largest Christian population, of more than 247 million, followed by Brazil and Mexico.

China also appears on the list of top 10 largest Christian populations - with an estimated 67 million Christians, it has more followers of the faith than any western European country.

There are nearly 2.2 billion Christians around the world, making up about one-third of the world's population - the same percentage as a century ago, according to the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life.

Islam is the world's second largest religion, with about 1.6 billion followers worldwide, the Washington-based organization calculates. That's just under one-quarter of the estimated 2010 world population of 6.9 billion.

Sub-Saharan Africa has seen the biggest explosion in its Christian population in the past century, going from about 9 million Christians in 1910 to about 516 million today - nearly a quarter of all the world's Christians. Three of the world's ten largest Christian populations are in Africa: Nigeria, the Democratic Republic of Congo and Ethiopia.

The study, "Global Christianity," is based on demographic and opinion data from 232 countries and territories. It's part of the Pew-Templeton Global Religious Futures Project, which has also included reports on the current and projected number of Muslims in the world.

It does not measure practice or belief, merely counting as Christian anyone who says they are.

The report calculates that half the world's Christians are Catholic, 37% are Protestants, and 12% are Orthodox. The remaining 1 percent belong to other traditions such as Mormonism.

- Newsdesk editor, The CNN Wire

Filed under: Belief • Christianity

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  1. Abinadi

    And whereas it is the duty of nations as well as of men, to own their dependence upon the overruling power of God, to confess their sins and transgressions, in humble sorrow, yet with assured hope that genuine repentance will lead to mercy and pardon; and to recognize the sublime truth, announced in the Holy Scriptures and proven by all history, that those nations only are blessed whose God is the Lord.
    Abraham Lincoln

    December 20, 2011 at 11:42 am |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      Yup, that worked out real well for Abe. Thanks God.

      December 20, 2011 at 11:56 am |
    • HellBent

      You as.sume that Lincoln was talking about the Christian god. You seem to like to put your foot in your mouth as much as George The Not So Curious Monkey does. Here are some other notable quotes from Lincoln:

      "My earlier views of the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation and the human origin of the scriptures, have become clearer and stronger with advancing years and I see no reason for thinking I shall ever change them."

      "What is to be, will be, and no prayers of ours can arrest the decree."

      "The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession."

      December 20, 2011 at 12:02 pm |
    • Felix The Navidad

      As you encounter these atheist types you will come to notice certain common traits. They can not see Truth and they will not see or hear real evidence.That which would be readily acceptable even in a court of law, physical evidence i.e. the complexity of life and creation, even creation itself is lost to them. Personal testimony is ridiculed and written records are of no value to them. They do not want to know the Truth, it is foreign to them . Their souls are dead and as such are no longer man in Gods image but rather walking dead, waiting out their shortened life spans until they confront that which they have denied.There is more hope for the citizens of Sodom than for them. They have chosen their own fates and their writing testifies against them. To spend time trying to show them anything is therefore an exercise in futility,a waste of time.There are those that need to hear and are capable of hearing, just not this bunch.

      December 20, 2011 at 12:16 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      Abinadi
      You kind of left out the point for that speach and this critical part of it:

      I do, by this my proclamation, designate and set apart Thursday, the 30th. day of April, 1863, as a day of national humiliation, fasting and prayer. And I do hereby request all the People to abstain, on that day, from their ordinary secular pursuits, and to unite, at their several places of public worship and their respective homes, in keeping the day holy to the Lord, and devoted to the humble discharge of the religious duties proper to that solemn occasion. All this being done, in sincerity and truth, let us then rest humbly in the hope authorized by the Divine teachings, that the united cry of the Nation will be heard on high, and answered with blessings, no less than the pardon of our national sins, and the restoration of our now divided and suffering Country, to its former happy condition of unity and peace.

      December 20, 2011 at 12:18 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      Felix The Navidad

      If you would kindly, being an expert and all explain the follow to me so that I can understand and join you in heaven one day:

      (Just off the top of head)

      1. If God created us in his own image, did the beings who lived before us on this and other planets (say, oh I don’t know, dinosaurs?) have a different God?

      2. Since God is a HE does HE have a Pen-is? I have to assume so, otherwise what is the point of him being a him at all. AND (follow-up question) if HE has a pen-is what does he use if for? Pis-sing? Fuc-in? Did he knock up Mary or is he making the rounds with the angel chicks?

      3. How does one “see” truth? Does it have a discernable wave length?

      Thanks!

      December 20, 2011 at 12:26 pm |
    • Louisa Ferre

      I can explain the second one,.. I specialize in the study of mythical creatures

      God is an angel, angels are a hermaphroditic specie, they have both male and female genital, this is why you never see me referring to one as male or female if I have to use a pronoun you use ‘ou’ the only gender natural pronoun in English. All accounts agree to this standard of describing angels except for illiterate Christians how read angels are neither male or female they thought hay they not definable. However taking to account Enoch you see this to not be true. Infect one falling who was considered a man(Buer) gave birth to a nephilim not his(ous) husband

      December 20, 2011 at 12:38 pm |
    • rick

      "They can not see Truth and they will not see or hear real evidence"

      Sounds like theists to me

      December 20, 2011 at 12:45 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Felix
      "That which would be readily acceptable even in a court of law, physical evidence i.e. the complexity of life and creation, even creation itself is lost to them."

      Creationism does NOT stand up in court.

      Tammy Kitzmiller, et al. v. Dover Area School District, et al. (400 F. Supp. 2d 707, Docket no. 4cv2688)
      From the final Judgement re: Intelligent Design
      "ID is not science. We find that ID fails on three different levels, any one of which is sufficient to preclude a determination that ID is science. They are: (1) ID violates the centuries-old ground rules of science by invoking and permitting supernatural causation; (2) the argument of irreducible complexity, central to ID, employs the same flawed and illogical contrived dualism that doomed creation science in the 1980's; and (3) ID’s negative attacks on evolution have been refuted by the scientific community. As we will discuss in more detail below, it is additionally important to note that ID has failed to gain acceptance in the scientific community, it has not generated peer-reviewed publications, nor has it been the subject of testing and research."
      " Creationism, intelligent design, and other claims of supernatural intervention in the origin of life or of species are not science because they are not testable by the methods of science. These claims subordinate observed data to statements based on authority, revelation, or religious belief. Docu.mentation offered in support of these claims is typically limited to the special publications of their advocates. These publications do not offer hypotheses subject to change in light of new data, new interpretations, or demonstration of error. This contrasts with science, where any hypothesis or theory always remains subject to the possibility of rejection or modification in the light of new knowledge."

      December 20, 2011 at 12:49 pm |
    • bringoutyourdead

      It is said that the most efficient way to load dead atheists into a cart is to use pitch forks or hitch forks as we now call them, why wait?

      December 20, 2011 at 1:08 pm |
    • captain america

      Pay no attention to doc v as he is a butt in canadian whos opinion has no bearing on American law. Watch out for the slimey undermining ba stards. There's your sign

      December 20, 2011 at 1:10 pm |
    • Q

      "There's your sign?" Are you a Bill Engvall wannabe or something? I'll take intelligent Canadian input over references to the fluffer member of the Blue Collar Comedy tour any day. Jesus, I hope you're actually a Poe...

      December 20, 2011 at 1:16 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      Louisa Ferre
      Thanks for stepping up on the God/Angel/Pen-is thing. Felix was, as always, a no-show. It is a good thing I don't believe is sky fairies or I would be really creeped out right now. At the same time, I am glad rain is not God peeing on us.

      December 20, 2011 at 1:18 pm |
    • Felix The Navidad

      If you had read the post you would note that talking to a soul dead is an exercise in futility.Truth is beyond your comprehension, not my fault, your choice.

      December 20, 2011 at 3:14 pm |
    • HellBent

      "If you had read the post you would note that talking to a soul dead is an exercise in futility."

      Like praying to someone who died 2000 years ago? Agreed.

      December 20, 2011 at 4:18 pm |
  2. George

    Atheists should ask themselves if they want to burn like an unrepentent Hitchens. Think about it. I would not trade my eternity for the few seconds that I walk the earth.

    December 20, 2011 at 11:23 am |
    • HellBent

      Now why don't you go and think about how absurd that position is. But, that would actually require you to think, so I won't hold my breath.

      December 20, 2011 at 11:26 am |
    • Bob

      George, you are a coward. Step a post back and actually answer the questions, you wimp.

      December 20, 2011 at 11:27 am |
    • Sid

      George: Pascal's Wager. Google it.

      December 20, 2011 at 11:30 am |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      George,
      I am concerned about burning in hell, but I don't understand what it is. Can you please describe hell and the devil to me?
      Thanks so much.

      December 20, 2011 at 11:30 am |
    • HellBent

      @Bob, He can't. He doesn't have the foggiest idea of what he's talking about. A few days back when discussing science he made some of the most ridiculous and obviously incorrect statements I've ever seen. Since then he's pretty much not answered any questions or given us anything of substance.

      December 20, 2011 at 11:32 am |
    • JohnQuest

      George, are you not afraid that Brahman will "smite" you for not believing? Seems to me that I should be as worried about your God as you are worried about the Hindu God, if you are not concerned about the Hindu God please explain why?

      December 20, 2011 at 11:34 am |
    • tallulah13

      Geoge, that's possible the stupidest statement ever written on these boards.

      December 20, 2011 at 11:34 am |
    • Abinadi

      Easy, George. The atheists are people who love their sins more than they do God. That is why they don't want to believe. They don't want to give up their beloved sins!

      December 20, 2011 at 11:36 am |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      George?

      December 20, 2011 at 11:41 am |
    • Reality

      And the prayers continue:

      The Apostles' Creed 2011: (updated by yours truly based on the studies of NT historians and theologians of the past 200 years)

      Should I believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
      and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
      human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven?????

      I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
      preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
      named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
      girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)

      Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
      the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

      He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
      a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of
      Jerusalem.

      Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
      many semi-fiction writers. A bodily resurrection and
      ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
      Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
      grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
      and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
      called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

      Amen

      December 20, 2011 at 11:43 am |
    • .........

      same old bull sh it from reality hit report abuse on all his nonsense

      December 20, 2011 at 11:45 am |
    • Madtown

      I would not trade my eternity for the few seconds that I walk the earth.
      -------
      Eternity? For a finite "sin"? I thought you said God is just? How is it just to "burn" for eternity, for committing a "sin" of maybe 50 or so years? That doesn't make much sense.

      December 20, 2011 at 11:48 am |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      George??

      December 20, 2011 at 11:52 am |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      To George via Sid's comment re: Pascal's Wager

      The Wager

      The philosophy uses the following :

      1. "God is, or He is not"
      2. A Game is being played... where heads or tails will turn up.
      3. According to reason, you can defend neither of the propositions.
      4. You must wager. It is not optional.
      5. Let us weigh the gain and the loss in wagering that God is. Let us estimate these two chances. If you gain, you gain all; if you lose, you lose nothing.
      6. Wager, then, without hesitation that He is. (...) There is here an infinity of an infinitely happy life to gain, a chance of gain against a finite number of chances of loss, and what you stake is finite. And so our proposition is of infinite force, when there is the finite to stake in a game where there are equal risks of gain and of loss, and the infinite to gain.

      Reversing the wager:

      One way to counter the wager is to replace Pascal's Judeo-Christian God with a hypothetical god that eternally punishes those whose lives are governed by irrational beliefs. This action effectively flips the four paradigms of the wager on their heads. To avoid confusion, the hypothetical deity will be referred to here as Ral:

      1. If you believe in God and Ral does exist, you will be condemned to remain in hell forever; thus an infinite loss.
      2. If you do not believe in God and Ral does exist, you will be rewarded with eternal life in heaven; thus an infinite gain.
      3. If you believe in God and Ral does not exist, you will not be rewarded; thus a finite loss.
      4. If you do not believe in God and Ral does not exist, you will not be rewarded, but you have lived your own life; thus a finite gain.

      This theoretical belief system, which is just as empirically provable as the belief system underlying Pascal's wager, presents a win/win scenario for atheists and a lose/lose scenario for those who believe in God. Since the two contrasting ideas of a specific god are logically equivalent in likelihood, atheism is shown to have the greatest potential for gain, completely negating and effectively reversing Pascal's argument.

      Further reversal :

      This reversal works best for those who want to confuse more than disprove, but it's fairly valid.

      1. If god exists and god is benevolent and you are a good person who disbelieves, you will be fine
      2. If god exists and god is benevolent and you are a hypocrite who claims to believe but does not you may not be fine
      3. If god exists and god is malevolent and you are a good person who disbelieves, you may not be fine
      4. If god exists and god is malevolent and you are a hypocrite who claims to believe but does not you will likely be greatly punished
      5. If god does not exist and you are a good person who disbelieves then you have a net gain (You help yourself instead of waiting for god to help you)
      6. If god does not exist and you are a hypocrite who claims to believe but does not you have a net loss (Untruthfulness to self)

      True believer is left out, because you're arguing from the viewpoint that belief is something that takes place deep down inside, and is not a facade, and that you simply lack it.

      December 20, 2011 at 11:54 am |
    • Louisa Ferre

      [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_eVLImlZgs&w=640&h=360]

      December 20, 2011 at 11:57 am |
    • HotAirAce

      Abinadi, other than not believing in your god (or any god for that matter), what sins am *I* guilty of? Be specific – no ambiguous mumbo-jumbo.

      December 20, 2011 at 12:01 pm |
    • Louisa Ferre

      The earnest feeling of love is a sin

      so if you ever loved someone who is not God you have sinned

      this is because love leads to conflict and war

      I say is because god is a selfish as-shole

      December 20, 2011 at 12:11 pm |
    • rick

      Well, well, well, Georgie Boy, how do you expect atheists to fear retaliation from beings in which they do not believe? Do you have your head THAT far up your rectum?

      December 20, 2011 at 12:51 pm |
    • Mark from Middle River

      George....that's really "Hand of an Angry God" type of sermonizing. Come on dude, while we as persons of Faith do hold to the belief that God will judge each of us, there are so many other aspects of walking the path of Faith, with many being positive.

      December 20, 2011 at 1:03 pm |
    • George

      I was away from my computer, and when I came back, I see that the atheists have really piled on. I just want to point out to Rick that whether you believe in it or not, hell is real as well as God. Hitchens is a believer now, and if he did not repent, he is burning in hell.

      December 20, 2011 at 1:05 pm |
    • Louisa Ferre

      Hell is in your head yo

      December 20, 2011 at 1:22 pm |
    • LinCA

      @George

      You said, "I just want to point out to Rick that whether you believe in it or not, hell is real as well as God. Hitchens is a believer now, and if he did not repent, he is burning in hell."
      I accept that you believe all that nonsense, but you do so without a shred of evidence in support. To those that don't already believe, there is no rational argument in favor of these claims. Your god and your heaven and your hell, only exist in the minds of believers. Unless you provide some solid evidence that Hitchens is anything other than just dead, there is no reason to believe otherwise.

      For a threat (or warning, if you prefer) to have any effect, it has to be believable first. Yours isn't.

      December 20, 2011 at 1:35 pm |
    • Really?

      "Hitchens is a believer now, and if he did not repent, he is burning in hell."

      Which is why your god is a MONSTER and doesn't deserved to be worshiped. That is not a loving god that is a tyrant, just like Hitler was, which is probably how Hitler got the idea. DUH!

      December 20, 2011 at 3:19 pm |
  3. Bob

    George et al, what really is your evidence that supports the existence of the nasty sky fairy that you so vociferously spew about here? So far, no one has ever presented any evidence for the Christian divinity that stands up to examination.

    For that matter, why did your sky fairy create the world to make it look like he didn't do so, and why did he make it so hard (impossible, actually) to find evidence of himself?

    Your whole Christian religion looks to be a giant belief pyramid scheme, a successful but evil and insidious meme that propagates and supports itself but has no footing in evidence, nor in reason. I'm here to tell you that your religion emporer has no clothes.

    December 20, 2011 at 11:06 am |
    • Bob

      *emperor*

      December 20, 2011 at 11:07 am |
    • George

      @Bob

      "what really is your evidence that supports the existence of [God]"

      Open your heart to God and you will see the evidence.

      December 20, 2011 at 11:17 am |
    • Colin

      Unfortunately Bob, their belief is not founded on evidence, which is why no amount of evidence will dislodge them from it. Their belief comes from a combination of (i) relatively low intelligence and a jaw-dropping ignorance of science and natural history; (ii) an irrational fear of death and an infantile desire to live happily ever after they die; and (iii) an asounding ability to ignore inconvenient facts.

      Just as people continue to believe that aliens make crop circles, despite the pranksters coming forward, Christians wil lcontinue to believe in their sky-fairy, becuase of the deep emotional need such belief fulfills.

      December 20, 2011 at 11:18 am |
    • Rainer Braendlein

      @Bob

      I don't call you a fool, but God would do it.

      The discussions about God's existence are absolutely meaningless. This is a waste of time.

      The actual question, which really matters, is the following: How can we follow Jesus in a most secular world, which is ruled by arch-profane people.

      For that you are too coward, or?

      December 20, 2011 at 11:20 am |
    • Bob

      George, got it, you don't have any evidence.

      Nice dodge, but it's been tried before. Another epic fail for you here.

      Seriously, take a closer look at your religious pyramid scheme, based on what I said above. It'll do you good. Read that book by Sam Harris yet?

      December 20, 2011 at 11:23 am |
    • tallulah13

      So in other words, George, you have no evidence. All you have is an emotional response. Wow. I wonder if I could start a Church of Chocolate, since when you open your heart (or mouth) to chocolate, it releases endorphins, making you feel joyful and in love. Also, chocolate will not make you suffer forever is you like caramel better.

      December 20, 2011 at 11:25 am |
    • Bob

      Rainer, nice adhominem there, but read the questions again and it will be clear that with the dodge you just made, you are the coward.

      Enough dodging, coward Rainer. Present your evidence, or shove off.

      December 20, 2011 at 11:25 am |
    • TR6

      @George:”Open your heart to God and you will see the evidence.”

      Open your heart to UFOs and you will see the evidence

      December 20, 2011 at 11:26 am |
    • Madtown

      Rainer Braendlein
      @Bob
      I don't call you a fool, but God would do it.
      -----
      Ludicrous. So, God would take on the human characteristic of juvenile name-calling? Isn't God above the fallible human practices of someone such as yourself? God loves us all, what makes you think he'd use playground tactics?

      December 20, 2011 at 11:26 am |
    • Abinadi

      Bob, I was waiting for you to take my bait. Jesus, himself, said that there is only one way to prove God and that is by personal revelation. In Matthew 16 he said, "17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. " You can know that there is a God in the same way Peter knew by reading the scriptures AND by sincere prayer.

      December 20, 2011 at 11:27 am |
    • Abinadi

      Bob, I was waiting for you to take my bait. Jesus, himself, said that there is only one way to prove God and that is by personal revelation. In Matthew 16 he said, "17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. " You can know that there is a God in the same way Peter knew by reading the scriptures AND by sincere prayer.

      December 20, 2011 at 11:30 am |
    • Bob

      Nope, Abinadi, you fail on that one. Again, present the evidence.

      We've all read the bible here, and find different, contradictory things in it, which makes it a questionable docu-ment to begin with. Furthermore, citing it as proof of its claims is circular, at best.

      Present your evidence, or shove off.

      December 20, 2011 at 11:34 am |
    • tallulah13

      @Abinadi

      Jesus, himself, said that there is only one way to prove God and that is by personal revelation.

      And you fell for that?

      December 20, 2011 at 11:36 am |
    • claybigsby

      "Jesus, himself, said that there is only one way to prove God and that is by personal revelation. In Matthew 16 he said, "17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. " You can know that there is a God in the same way Peter knew by reading the scriptures AND by sincere prayer."

      The people who wrote about Jesus never knew him, saw him, or spoke to him. What you are quoting is 40 years of hearsay.

      December 20, 2011 at 11:37 am |
    • Bob

      From the responses so far, it's very clear that the usual Christian noisemakers have no evidence to support their supersti-tions. Fun to reveal their naked emperor to them, anyway.

      December 20, 2011 at 11:39 am |
    • Abinadi

      You have the evidence. You are too lazy to take the challenge!

      December 20, 2011 at 11:39 am |
    • HellBent

      "You have the evidence. You are too lazy to take the challenge!"

      You clearly haven't the foggiest idea of what the word evidence means. You also are apparently ignorant to the fact that many, if not most atheists were believers at one time and took your challenge already. But your arrogance blinds you to the reality of other possibilities.

      December 20, 2011 at 12:04 pm |
    • SeanNJ

      Metric f-ton of delusion out there today.

      Reading it makes me very, very happy that the number of Georges and Abinadis in this country is much smaller than they think it is.

      December 20, 2011 at 12:09 pm |
  4. Joe Gets

    It's very strange that the Christians in the west are renouncing Christianity while the ones in the poor countries are accepting it. The Christian missionary goes to the poor country with bread in one hand and the bible in the other and says "Jesus is God". These peoples' condition is so miserable that you don't need to say "Jesus is god", heck they'll even believe you if you said YOU are god. I remember reading an article about the Knights of Ohio and they said that people accept Christianity but when their situation improves they revert back to their original religion but that is not in way due to any shortcomings in Christianity. This so called growth in Africa is temporary and people will revert back when their situation improves.

    December 20, 2011 at 11:00 am |
    • Ken

      You will be surprised that this people you are talking about embrace Christianity because religiousity is engraved into their being naturally, and seeing the moral decadence that is epitomizing the western world's deviation from Godly ideals, they are trying to be wise and avoid falling the same situation. Though it will be a tough war! But give credit to the supernatural force behind the spread – it has – and i believe it will continue to – proof the 'doubting Thomases' wrong. Remember what Karl Marx and Jean Sartre said?

      December 20, 2011 at 11:18 am |
  5. Rainer Braendlein

    I fear, opposing the above article, that there are merely a few Christians on earth.

    The Catholics are no Christians, strictly speaking. They do not believe in Jesus, but in the lousy pope. They do not follow Jesus, but the pope.

    A big portion of the Protestants are re-baptising Free Churches. Strictly speaking, they don't belong to the Christian Church, but they are sects. According to the true doctrine, it is not allowed to repeat baptism. Even the Catholic infant baptism is valid and shall not be repeated. Luther was not baptized again, but kept his Catholic infant baptism. He just changed his faith and rejected papacy and other heresies of the Roman Catholic Church. I myself was baptized by a Roman Catholic priest, but need no re-baptism, although I have converted to Protestantism.

    The Protestant mainline churches keep the true doctrine of sacramental baptism, but teach the false doctrine of the "Cheap Grace". They pervert the gospel without limit. The lifestyle of an ordinary Protestant of a mainline church scarcely differs from the lifestyle of an atheist. This is the consequence of the cheap grace: "the more we sin, the more God will give us grace!" This "Christians" will feel eternal fire.

    We need an international council of the Christian Churches, in order to restore the true doctrine and the true Church. Then at least we had some thousand real Christians on earth.

    December 20, 2011 at 10:48 am |
    • JohnQuest

      Rainer Braendlein, how do you define a "Real" Christian? Seems to me that if someone calls themselves a Christian they are a Christian, much like Muslims, Atheist Hindus and the like. Saying someone is not what the claim to be simply because you do not agree with them does not make it so.

      December 20, 2011 at 11:05 am |
    • Rainer Braendlein

      @JohnQuest

      A true Christian is a disciple or follower of Jesus Christ. Discipleship is defined by the Sermon on the Mount.

      It is clear that no ordinary man can keep the commandments of the Sermon on the Mount by nature. Hence, everybody, who wants to follow Jesus or who wants to keep the commandments of the Sermon on the Mount, needs be born from above (not born again!). By sacramental baptism we receive the releasing power of Christ's death and resurrection. After baptism we are able to follow Jesus. After baptism faith means obedience.

      December 20, 2011 at 11:14 am |
    • Abinadi

      Instead of a council, how about if God calls a prophet and "restores" the true gospel as was predicted in Acts 3:19, Acts 3:19
      19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;" Go to mormon.org for details.

      December 20, 2011 at 11:18 am |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      For Catholics not believing in Jesus, they sure display a lot of crucifixes with him on it. You obviously don't know anything about catholics except what your pastor told you. They believe in jesus as the son of god, the same as you.

      December 20, 2011 at 11:20 am |
    • Rainer Braendlein

      @Lucifer's Evil Twin

      Are you William Demuth?

      December 20, 2011 at 11:28 am |
    • TR6

      @Rainer Braendlein:”According to the true doctrine, it is not allowed to repeat baptism.”

      Please provide bible chapter and verse for this assertion

      December 20, 2011 at 11:35 am |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      Nope. I have gone by SHRIKE and my current handle. Also, I am not one of those people who flip their handles around in the same conversation.

      December 20, 2011 at 11:38 am |
    • Rainer Braendlein

      @TR6

      There was the so-called Rebaptism Controversy in the Early Church. Finally the Early Church decided that re-baptism is prohibited. For me this would be sufficient evidence.

      December 20, 2011 at 11:47 am |
  6. Abinadi

    "It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here."
    Patrick Henry

    December 20, 2011 at 10:41 am |
    • hippypoet

      you sir are just ants at a picnic!

      December 20, 2011 at 10:51 am |
    • Abinadi

      Name calling? Come on atheists, I expect better!

      December 20, 2011 at 11:10 am |
    • Abinadi

      I think now you are saying the founding fathers were twitts. Am I right?

      December 20, 2011 at 11:11 am |
    • claybigsby

      "As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed?"
      - John Adams, letter to FA Van der Kamp, December 27, 1816

      December 20, 2011 at 11:42 am |
    • HellBent

      "this would be the best of worlds if there were no religion in it."

      -John Adams.

      Are you calling Adams an idiot?

      December 20, 2011 at 11:54 am |
    • Joe T.

      Founding fathers were also slave owners. Does that make their belief that blacks were less in worth than a white man correct? Is it possible that maybe some of their beliefs were skewed by ideals proven false after we became more intellectually capable as a society?

      December 20, 2011 at 2:11 pm |
  7. Abinadi

    "It is when people forget God that tyrants forge their chains."
    Patrick Henry

    December 20, 2011 at 10:40 am |
    • Really?

      "The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people"

      Its to bad you can't follow all of his advice moron.

      December 20, 2011 at 10:46 am |
    • Abinadi

      Is that your best shot, really? Call me a moron?

      December 20, 2011 at 11:08 am |
    • TR6

      Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli, which was written in 1796 and the text approved by George Washington, and signed into law in 1797 by President John Adams states, "As the Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

      December 20, 2011 at 11:40 am |
  8. hippypoet

    How doth the little crocodile improve his shining tail. And pour the waters of the Nile, on every golden scale. How cheerfully he seems to grin, how neatly spreads his claws. And welcomes little fishes in, with gently smiling jaws.

    December 20, 2011 at 10:36 am |
  9. Abinadi

    "I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth–that God Governs the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid?"
    Benjamin Franklin

    December 20, 2011 at 10:36 am |
  10. hippypoet

    what makes the red man red!

    Why does he ask you, "How?"
    Why does he ask you, "How?"
    Once the Injun didn't know
    All the things that he know now
    But the Injun, he sure learn a lot
    And it's all from asking, "How?"

    Hana Mana Ganda
    Hana Mana Ganda
    We translate for you
    Hana means what mana means
    And ganda means that too

    When did he first say, "Ugh!"
    When did he first say, "Ugh!"
    In the Injun book it say
    When the first brave married squaw
    He gave out with a big ugh
    When he saw his Mother-in-Law

    What made the red man red?
    What made the red man red?
    Let's go back a million years
    To the very first Injun prince
    He kissed a maid and start to blush
    And we've all been blushin' since

    You've got it from the headman
    The real true story of the red man
    No matter what's been written or said
    Now you know why the red man's red!

    December 20, 2011 at 10:30 am |
  11. George

    Jesus is the one true Way. As long as we fight against this, we are never going to advance as a nation. Let us pray for leaders who will bring America back to God so that God will turn his favor once again upon this great nation.

    December 20, 2011 at 10:14 am |
    • Really?

      "As long as we fight against this, we are never going to advance as a nation."

      Uh, Duh...we have been advancing as a nation without your god.

      December 20, 2011 at 10:19 am |
    • HellBent

      By leaders, I as.sume that you don't mean anyone who would resemble the founding fathers, since they would likely find your views abhorrent. And back to god? What time, exactly, would you like to take us back to?

      December 20, 2011 at 10:20 am |
    • JohnQuest

      George, Question, is it possible (just possible) that the Bible got one thing wrong?

      December 20, 2011 at 10:23 am |
    • Abinadi

      Amen. Even the atheists should work to preserve this a Christian nation. If the muslims get control, we'll all be toast, Christians and atheists alike.

      December 20, 2011 at 10:24 am |
    • Abinadi

      If the atheists get control, we'll all be toast.

      December 20, 2011 at 10:26 am |
    • Really?

      "Even the atheists should work to preserve this a Christian nation. If the muslims get control, we'll all be toast, Christians and atheists alike."

      You're nothing more than a prejudice asshole and a disgrace to this country.

      December 20, 2011 at 10:35 am |
    • George

      @Abinadi

      I think that atheists have been in control far too long unfortunately.

      December 20, 2011 at 10:36 am |
    • Ephram

      Abinadi, "we'll all be toast", you mean like those mostly secular basket case countries:Canada, the Scandinavian countries, and increasingly, the more modern countries in Asia and elsewhere? Many of them are in better shape than the US by several measures, healthcare and education especially.

      History and trends are not on your side, fortunately.

      December 20, 2011 at 10:37 am |
    • Abinadi

      Back atcha really.

      December 20, 2011 at 10:37 am |
    • rick

      Abinadi

      "If the atheists get control, we'll all be toast."

      Whatsamatta, Abby, will your celestial punk have a temper tantrum?

      December 20, 2011 at 10:38 am |
    • Really?

      "I think that atheists have been in control far too long unfortunately."

      You're a moron once again, 70% of people in this country are claiming to be christian so if this country is in the toilet you have only yourselves to blame. It's just another reason why Atheists should run this country we believe in equality!

      December 20, 2011 at 10:38 am |
    • rick

      "I think that atheists have been in control far too long unfortunately."

      Really, Georgie? Point out the atheist presidents, senators and congressmen.

      December 20, 2011 at 10:39 am |
    • Really?

      "Back atcha really."

      Thanks for proving my point.

      December 20, 2011 at 10:40 am |
    • George

      @Rick

      "Really, Georgie? Point out the atheist presidents, senators and congressmen."

      Obama for one.

      December 20, 2011 at 10:42 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You idiot. You continually denounce 90% of the people who are believers because they don't agree with your politics, George. Most of the people who say they're Christian don't meet your standard of proof anyway.

      December 20, 2011 at 10:44 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Prove your claim about Obama, George. How do YOU know what he believes?

      Really, you're just plain silly.

      December 20, 2011 at 10:45 am |
    • Madtown

      George
      Jesus is the one true Way.
      ----
      And, the people who've never heard of Jesus, through no fault of their own and because of where they were born, what happens to them?

      December 20, 2011 at 11:05 am |
  12. claybigsby

    "HeavenSent

    The Bible teaches us that God created the Universe. I don't understand why you continue to ignore this fact.

    Amen."

    because the bible was written by men you i...diot

    December 20, 2011 at 10:12 am |
    • George

      It was written by men guided by God.

      December 20, 2011 at 10:16 am |
    • Really?

      "It was written by men guided by God."

      You have no proof of that.

      December 20, 2011 at 10:18 am |
    • Madtown

      George
      It was written by men guided by God.
      ----
      And, planes are flown into buildings because their pilots believed they were "guided by God". The human hand creates absolutely NOTHING infallible, including religious traditions and guidebooks such as the bible.

      December 20, 2011 at 11:08 am |
    • claybigsby

      "It was written by men guided by God."

      Yeah....according to men.

      December 20, 2011 at 11:46 am |
  13. warmesTghosT

    Well, George and Abinadi –

    I hate to burst your dreams of turning America into the Christian version of Saudi Arabia, but it's simply not going to happen. Secularism is on the rise in America, as more and more of the youth awaken to the fact that your hateful, small-minded, intolerant, ignorant and cruel cult is becoming more and more a thing of the past.

    The rise of the Internet and global interconnectedness have shown us the fruits of religious fundamentalism – from the Democratic Republic of Congo to the United Arab Emirates to the vast tracts of South America. Everything your religion touches, it poisons. The louder you clamor for a totalitarian Christian government, the more we recoil in utter disgust and condemnation.

    Your rallying cries for const-itutional amendment are actually the death-rattles of your cult. Science has already dealt the death-blow, but as with any colossal beast, the final moment is slow in coming.

    Still, you had a good 2,000 year run of genocide, r@pe, torture and murder. Not a bad run at all for a religion.

    You are the past. We are the future.

    December 20, 2011 at 9:57 am |
    • George

      We shall see who is the past and who is the future. I am convinced that the next election will bring a wave of conservative Christians into office. We need to fight secularism and elect conservative Christians to bring America back to God.

      December 20, 2011 at 10:03 am |
    • Bob

      warmesTghosT, thanks for that wonderful post. It gives me hope for the future, in that more people will be breaking free from religious supersti-tions.

      People such as George are a lost cause. As you well know, most of them are stuck in their ridiculous beliefs, but they and their ilk are diminishing, and George will pass away.

      As for George's typically ignorant comment about bringing America "back to god", that god ent-ity being his particular absurd flavor of sky fairy, George as usual is demonstrating his ignorance of history. News for you but hardly for anyone aware of history: America was not founded as a Christian nation. George doesn't read much outside of his nasty bible, but he would do well to read Letter to a Christian Nation by Sam Harris. George, that's recommended reading for you. You are too lost to get much out of it, but maybe if it's around, other members of your family, if you have any, will pick it up and it will serve to counteract the dogma that you undoubtedly burden them with.

      Again, warmesTghosT, thank you.

      Freedom is coming. Break free of the chains of religious supersti-tions.

      December 20, 2011 at 10:24 am |
    • Colin

      warmsTghosT – good post. Religion dumbs us down as a species. You only need read the posts by "George," "Fred," "Rainer Brianard" and "Chad" to see great examples of the stultifying effect religion has on the human intellect.

      December 20, 2011 at 10:29 am |
  14. Dr. Rev. Athanasius-John T. Nkomo

    Jesus Christ is Lord of All Nations on Earth:
    True Christians are called upon to proclaim true gospel that Jesus nurtured His Disciples as well as the partnership rather than the followers and entertainers. So much need to be done before the Second Advent takes its place on earth! Today’s modern world is ever shifting like chaff blown up by the windy! Christians are caught by it everywhere on the global. Why? Most of those who claim to be Christians aren’t real born again Christians! They are just followers! “If anyone who wants to follow me let him deny himself: Take up his cross daily! And follow me.” [Luke 9: 23-24] Jesus said:
    We need to proclaim Christ crucified: We need to proclaim Christ Jesus is the ultimate Judge on earth! We need to proclaim that the Second Advent is crucial for the modern world history!. That Jesus Christ is coming back to judge the whole entire world! Examine the world religious, political, economic and social structure; it is ever shifting like chaff blown up by the wind; it is very unstable!

    December 20, 2011 at 9:52 am |
    • Up Your Rear Admiral

      Dr. Rev, welcome aboard. I'll see you in the Rapture Capsule with the unicorns. Remember to wear your nose ring -the big steel one that I padlocked the chain onto when we were practising for the uplifting.

      December 20, 2011 at 10:27 am |
    • Adalai

      I thought God would judge mankind and not Jesus. So are you saying that Jesus is God? And, what do you mean by "real born again" Christians?

      December 20, 2011 at 10:38 am |
    • TR6

      “Jesus Christ is coming back to judge the whole entire world!”

      Jesus has been going to come back any minute now for the past 20 centuries. I don’t think he’s comming

      December 20, 2011 at 1:20 pm |
  15. George

    The Christian Amendment would do several things:

    1. Establish without a doubt that America is a Christion nation
    2. Eliminate abortion
    3. Make it legal to display Christian symbols on public property
    4. Establish marriage as between a man and a woman
    5. Recriminalize conduct that is wearing away at our moral foundations

    December 20, 2011 at 9:36 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      So you want to live in a hypocritical nation that is oppressed? Now we know you're insane!! Nothing like taking a country back 2000 years. You best disconnect your computer and your power...both have science behind them.

      December 20, 2011 at 9:39 am |
    • rick

      Good luck with that, Georgie Porgie

      December 20, 2011 at 9:43 am |
    • Chuckles

      Cheese and Cr.ackers..... you've gone absolutely mad, seriously, what sort of world do you want to live in where that cr.ude "wishlist" would even be brought in Congress, much less actually voted through.

      My guess George, you love the land of America, you just hate everything we stand for?

      December 20, 2011 at 9:43 am |
    • George

      @TruthPrevails

      Put down whatever you are drinking because nobody has said anything about science or taking us back 2000 years. I will add, with regard to science, Christions only want the THEORIES of the big bang and evolution thrown out or at least, pointed out that they are flawed theories and not fact.

      December 20, 2011 at 9:44 am |
    • George

      @Chuckles

      This is why we need to elect conservative Christians to office. We need this Christian Amendment. What do you think we've been fighting for since Reagan?

      December 20, 2011 at 9:47 am |
    • HotairAce

      And what would the punishment be for breaking any of your new old laws? Would you impose those of The Babble? Can you say christian-sharia law? In the USA? This is going to be fun!!

      December 20, 2011 at 9:47 am |
    • AtheistSteve

      How then would we distinguish America from any Islamic country where personal rights are abolished. You are an anachronism. Thankfully none of your 'wishlist' will ever see the light of day. Unless you really do want civil war.

      December 20, 2011 at 9:47 am |
    • Chuckles

      @George

      You don't throw out scientific theories because they leave a bad taste in your mouth. You, sir, are the type of sc.um that works with all your effort to make sure we don't progress forward. You are on the losing side of history and my deepest most profound regret is that you won't be around to see how we slowly disillusion and help all the people like you who refuse to understand the concept of a scientific theory.

      December 20, 2011 at 9:48 am |
    • Abinadi

      Sounds good to me. The const itution was established to protect Christianity. Look at the 1st amendment.

      December 20, 2011 at 9:48 am |
    • Chuckles

      @Abby

      Looks like you missed the part where the first amendment protects ALL religions AND all people FROM religion. I know your tiny brain can't handle such nuance, but just give it the good ole college, or I guess in your case gradeschool, try.

      December 20, 2011 at 9:50 am |
    • Abinadi

      ASteve, it is precisely because Christians are so tolerant that others can even have an opinion. Non-christian muslims would not tolerate Christianity or atheism, for that matter, either.

      December 20, 2011 at 9:52 am |
    • HotairAce

      Reagan? Would that be the president whose wife consulted astrologers? Astrologers, religious charlatan's predecessor on the evolutionary tree of liars and scammers.

      December 20, 2011 at 9:52 am |
    • George

      @HotAir

      I should clarify. The recriminalization wouldn't happen in the Amendment. The Amendment would simply allow states to recriminalize and set the consequences as they see fit.

      December 20, 2011 at 9:53 am |
    • Abinadi

      You too, Chuckles. If any other religion or belief were in charge of the country, no other belief would be tolerated – not even atheism. And, we have already seen what a communist/atheist country like soviet Russia did.

      December 20, 2011 at 9:55 am |
    • AtheistSteve

      Abinadi

      Umm..no it is precisely because the secular charters protect free speech so that Christians are unable to dictate their wishes upon the rest of us.

      December 20, 2011 at 9:57 am |
    • George

      @Chuckles

      We shall see who is on the losing side of history. Let us remember that the 1st Amendment was written to ensure that the state did not establish a single denomination such as the Church of England. It certainly said nothing about Atheism. Read your Federalist Papers.

      December 20, 2011 at 9:59 am |
    • Chuckles

      @Abby

      I don't understand where you get your information. Apart from the communist soviet union, run on communist ideals (not the elusive atheist ideals that you want to give it oh so much), where do you get the nerve to call yourself tolerant? I'm not even saying christians aren't tolerant, but you? really? Apart from Christianity's doctrine being bloodthirsty in its own right and wanting to discriminate against.... jews, muslims, gay people, unwed mothers, pagans, women in general, etc.... (the list goes on), what makes you think that a nation founded on the principles of freedom, democracy and equality for all people would even consider radically changing their foundations to fit into the narrow scope of what you think a perfect world would be?

      Seriously though, there are some days I wish there was such thing as a hel.l only so I would know that you would go to it and see where all your hate and shortmindedness gets you.

      December 20, 2011 at 10:01 am |
    • Chuckles

      @George

      Read them, read them twice actually. You want to know what the 1st amendment says george? I think you do because you are laboring under the delusion than you can redefine it however you want, but what it actually says is, "The establishment clause is "[t]he First Amendment provision that prohibits the federal and state governments from establishing an official religion, or from favoring or disfavoring one view of religion over another"

      See the end of that bit? the part about view of religion? Yeah, there's your atheism right there buddy, suck it.

      December 20, 2011 at 10:04 am |
    • George

      @Chuckles

      Who here is hating anybody? It's not the Christians. We do condemn certain behavior such as abortion, but we don't hate anybody. Please stop calling the kettle black.

      December 20, 2011 at 10:06 am |
    • Chuckles

      Oh yes, I forgot. Christians don't hate anybody.

      Let me tell you a little story Geroge. I work at an office with a woman who makes everyones life miserable. She's stolen my work and taken credit for it a couple of times, does outrageously bad work on her own and is generally a waste of space. For the record, she's a devout catholic, however the real interesting piece of this story is one of my coworkers is also a christian, and you should hear the hateful, deceitful stuff she says and does to this woman. Not to go into great detail, but I would say out of everyone I work with, my coworker is probably the most vicious and mean spirited to this woman. She also says, because she's a christian she doesn't hate it her....but.....

      You get the point right? Just because you say your christianity prohibits you from hating somebody, turning around and using that ambiguously moral ground to then talk about how gay people are abominations, capital punishment is definitily permissable, that you want a christian nation that will make it your way or the highway is breathtaking to say the lease.

      George, I might hate a lot of things; I hate mushrooms, I hate cats, I hate the doctrines of christianity and other religions out there, I generally try and like people themselves. You, george, have proven beyond a reasonable doubt you deserve to be on my sh.itlist and I have no compunction nor do I have to use your as.s backward logic of trying not to hate people while hating on everyone because bad people deserve to be hated george. Welcome to my shi.tlist, you're in good company though, you've made it alongside stalin, hitler, saddam and it looks like abby here is looking to join you as well.

      December 20, 2011 at 10:15 am |
    • Chuckles

      Oh, and P.S.

      It must really grind your gears that your own bible, your own jesus for that matters automatically favors me above you because as a jew I'm part of the chosen people and even in your own holy books eyes, you're a pile of shi.t

      December 20, 2011 at 10:19 am |
    • Really?

      "4. Establish marriage as between a man and a woman"

      You do get that it's this argument is losing in the courts that it's being found to be unconstitutional. LOL! Plus it's already legal in some states.

      December 20, 2011 at 10:25 am |
    • Really?

      "Establish without a doubt that America is a Christion nation"

      No, it's not and never will be because we believe in separation of church and state.

      December 20, 2011 at 10:26 am |
    • Really?

      "Make it legal to display Christian symbols on public property"

      Then we also have to allow all other religions to be able to display their symbols as well, that includes witchcraft, voodoo, etc..That is what it means by the definition of EQUALITY!

      December 20, 2011 at 10:28 am |
    • Really?

      "Eliminate abortion"

      I believe it's been show why abortion is legal in this country, no need to change it.

      December 20, 2011 at 10:29 am |
    • George

      @Chuckles

      Do you really think that I care what you think of me? You, an atheist? I know that you are lost and unless you repent, you will be damned forever. I feel sorry for you, but I don't care what you think of me. As far as your co-workers, I can't answer for them. Moreover, I don't know what is true and what is colored by your atheist view.

      Everything else will come down to the ballot box. I must do my best to see that people like you never prevail. This is why I'm so active in organizing. I cannot sit back while the likes of you try to tarnish the America that I know and love.

      December 20, 2011 at 10:30 am |
    • Bob

      George would do well to read Letter to a Christian Nation by Sam Harris. George, that's recommended reading for you; you are too lost to get much out of it, but maybe if it's around, other members of your family, if you have any, will pick it up and it will serve to counteract the dogma that you undoubtedly burden them with.

      Be free. Think for yourself and break the chains of religious supersti-tions.

      December 20, 2011 at 10:32 am |
    • Really?

      "I cannot sit back while the likes of you try to tarnish the America that I know and love."

      George you're the one that is a disgrace to this country because you want to remove equalit, the very thing that so many gave their lives in defending. YOU are the one tarnishing this country.

      December 20, 2011 at 10:33 am |
    • George

      @Really

      Apparently you don't get that an amendment becomes part of the Const.itution itself and trumps all court decisions.

      December 20, 2011 at 10:33 am |
    • Really?

      "Apparently you don't get that an amendment becomes part of the Const.itution itself and trumps all court decisions."

      This is great that you are spewing your hate towards those that are different than you because now you will motivate others to make sure prejudice idiots like you are defeated. So for all of you reading this garbage George is spewing make sure you get out and vote against all this idiot stands for!

      December 20, 2011 at 10:37 am |
    • HotairAce

      So George, you would create the foundation for a federal theocracy but leave the implementation up to each state? So each cult could take over one or more states... What would your new federal government do if a state didn't follow your lead, or worse yet, declared themselves to be the Atheist State of XYZ? Would you use your federal powers to "correct" them? I'm confident this is all wishful thinking on your part – you'll never get past the current 1st amendment.

      December 20, 2011 at 10:41 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You just keep lobbing those softballs, Georgie Porgie. They do more good for the opposition than for your side.

      December 20, 2011 at 10:46 am |
    • Chuckles

      @George

      Oh no! You mean you don't take my opinion into account!? What am I to do?! But seriously, you seem to making enemies faster than most people, and yet as a christian you're so full of love right?! You are totally right that it all comes down to the ballot box and I thank my lucky stars that your vote only counts as one. You might be "good at organizaing" as you put it in the middle of bumf.cuk nowheresville USA with a cu.mulative IQ of 20, but in the real world the only reason why you aren't in a padded cell right now is because our 1st amendment allows you to spew your protected ramblings, try and repeal it and I hope you like Jello, because I hear that's all they serve in the mental wards.

      Also, like I stated above but now I'm just plain curious. Does it really annoy you that in the fantastical delusion that you've been brainwashed to believe, I STILL get to go to heaven when you don't? I mean, being born a jew, god automatically gives me a free pass as being part of the chosen people, not to mention in my old age if I really want to hedge my bets, all I have to do is wait for Yom Kippur and god will forgive me for all my transgressions, you on the other hand are among the many people that god scattered around here so that we could show you the true will of god (normally done by making you a head shorter), what's got to be worse, living in a nation that allows me to do what I want because we prize freedom and equality or believing in a heaven that I get a VIP pass to while you have to wait outside for an eternity?

      December 20, 2011 at 10:48 am |
    • HellBent

      @George hates the founding fathers:

      [People like George] "dread the advance of science as witches do the approach of daylight and scowl on the fatal harbinger announcing the subversions of the duperies on which they live." -T. Jefferson.

      "When a religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself so that its professors are obliged to call for the help of the civil power, 'tis a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one" -B. Franklin

      "The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries." -J. Madison

      " But touch a solemn truth in collision with a dogma of a sect, though capable of the clearest proof, and you will find you have disturbed a nest, and the hornets will swarm about your eyes and hand, and fly into your face and eyes." -J. Adams

      "The story of Jesus Christ appearing after he was dead is the story of an apparition, such as timid imaginations can always create in vision, and credulity believe. Stories of this kind had been told of the assassination of Julius Caesar." -T. Paine

      December 20, 2011 at 10:49 am |
    • George

      @HotAir

      No states would be free to enact any laws they see fit under the new amendment. The point is that the federal courts couldn't be used to thwart Christian core principles.

      We shall see who is right in the next election. I believe that there will be a wave of conservative Christians elected.

      December 20, 2011 at 10:49 am |
    • Really?

      "No states would be free to enact any laws they see fit under the new amendment. The point is that the federal courts couldn't be used to thwart Christian core principles.

      We shall see who is right in the next election. I believe that there will be a wave of conservative Christians elected."

      LOL! No, you've succeeded in motivating many of us to make sure jerks like you are nowhere near our government, it would be total disgrace for this country.

      December 20, 2011 at 10:53 am |
    • J.W

      The only way a wave of Christian conservatives would get elected would be if people thought that they would do a good job on the economy. But since most are republican they probably would not be very good as far as the economy goes.

      December 20, 2011 at 10:59 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Which is George's entire modus operandi, Really. He doesn't believe the crap he posts. He's a fake. He is a liberal pretending to be a dried-up old fart for the purpose of stimulating a vehement response from people who aren't interested in a conservative president. He wants Obama to be re-elected.

      December 20, 2011 at 11:05 am |
    • George

      @Chuckles

      "Does it really annoy you that in the fantastical delusion that you've been brainwashed to believe, I STILL get to go to heaven when you don't?"

      NO one gets to the Father except through the Son. Read the Bible. It is quite clear on this.

      December 20, 2011 at 11:14 am |
    • Chuckles

      Well sucks for you george, the son was also a jew and his preachings only related to us, it was only after our good buddy saul decided that he wanted to open up the religion to everyone..... darn! you were so close too! Well guess I'll just go back to enjoying my status as part of the chosen people. You could try and join but we really wouldn't want you, you see we don't idiots, can't stand them really. Jews value education, christians value blind faith and cherish ignorance.

      ....one sec........

      Just had a chat with god, he agrees with me.

      December 20, 2011 at 11:24 am |
    • J.W

      Good to see that Chuckles seems to believe in God again.

      December 20, 2011 at 11:28 am |
    • Chuckles

      @JW

      Only when it suits me..... then again, isn't that the truth for about 90% of believers?

      ZING!

      December 20, 2011 at 11:30 am |
    • joe

      Abortion has been very sucessful at reducing the black population. So it definatley is a good thing. (sarcasm)

      December 20, 2011 at 11:31 am |
    • J.W

      Oh no you didn't Chuckles!
      Well it would be easier as far as being on these boards if I was an atheist I think. I don't think 90% of believers deny their belief. However they probably do doubt their belief at times. I have doubted before. I just found that a series of circu.mstances after that seemed to lead me back to believing. However, I think I was more just apathetic than atheist. I was more like well maybe God is there but who cares if he is.

      December 20, 2011 at 11:40 am |
    • Chuckles

      @JW

      Awwww JW, come on, you aren't fooling anyone at this point, come to our side, start banging the drum for atheism. You're more than halfway there anyways. Perhaps you just need a little shove off the fence onto our side..... hows about this: God is really just another term for extraterrestrial, so if you think about it, believing in god is just like believing in aliens, and you don't want to be lumped in with those crazy people who believe there are really aliens around, right?

      For the record, I believe aliens are completely real and have already landed on this planet a number of times.....

      December 20, 2011 at 11:43 am |
    • J.W

      I can't say that you are completely wrong about me Chuckles. But I do believe the God exists and that Jesus was a real person. I do take the Bible in the same way that many atheists do though. I realize that it was written by men, and that they were writing about their relationship with God. I realize there are mistakes and historical inaccuracies. I think that the Bible is still important, but I do not know that the whole Bible is the word of God. One reason I come on these blogs is to learn. I just wish that they had more articles about religions such as Hinduism and Buddhism, and more of the non-Abrahamic religions.

      December 20, 2011 at 11:54 am |
    • J.W

      Actually i think I would like it if we could find a sign of life on another planet. Perhaps it would give us a chance to observe the formation of life, similar to the way it started on this planet.

      December 20, 2011 at 11:55 am |
    • Chuckles

      @JW

      With that ati.ttude I'd count you as more of a jew than a christian, but tomato tomahto I guess. I can see the importance of the bible insofar as it relates to the time period, but thats about it. I also wish there was more articles about the eastern religions because I took a bunch of classes on them and realized the nuance involved is a lot deeper than I thought. If you want to scratch the surface, read the Analects or the Tao de Ching, they both read like fortune cookies and are pretty quick and very interesting.

      Also, I've always wondered about life on other planets and how that would relate to christianity and religion in general. Since a lot of modern religions sort of hinge on being the center of the universe, gods chosen and what not, what would happen if we found a more intelligent, better race than ourselves? What would that say about god?

      December 20, 2011 at 12:04 pm |
    • J.W

      Yeah I have read books explaining basically what some of those religions believe. I have also read a couple of Hindu texts, I have trouble with the names. I think one is Bhagavad Gita and one is Rig Veda or something like that. I feel like I know most of what I need to know about the other Abrahamic religions, but I would like to study the eastern religions more extensively. Maybe I should take some college courses on them.
      As far as life on other planets, what I would like to see is if there is a planet somewhere with similar conditions to what was believed to be on earth 4 billions years ago and we could see amino acids actually come together like they are believed to with the first organisms.

      December 20, 2011 at 12:24 pm |
  16. Lucifer's Evil Twin

    I doubt the American people are stupid enough to allow a 'christian' amendment. Well, most of them hopefully aren't that stupid. It will of course cause the next civil war in the United States and will bring its downfall.

    December 20, 2011 at 9:25 am |
    • George

      Who's going to start the civil war? Atheists? Don't make me laugh. And way to go threatening civil war because you don't get your way.

      December 20, 2011 at 9:29 am |
    • HotairAce

      If there is a civil war, it will be between the various believer cults fighting to get their myths enshrined in a bogus constitution.

      December 20, 2011 at 9:35 am |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      For a people who are free, and who mean to remain so, a well organized and armed militia is their best security. – Thomas Jefferson

      December 20, 2011 at 9:46 am |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the people alone. The people themselves, therefore, are its only safe depositories.- Thomas Jefferson

      December 20, 2011 at 9:50 am |
    • George

      And you're quoting TJ who was the least religious of all the Founding Fathers. Just remember that James Madison wrote the const.itution. Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence. The const.itution which has legal force.

      December 20, 2011 at 9:50 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Yes, George, the Const itution, which doesn't give fetuses rights. The Consti tution, which guarantees that women have equal rights. Funny how you don't have any respect for the Const it ution unless you cherry-pick.

      Just as you do with the Bible.

      December 20, 2011 at 10:50 am |
    • Madtown

      Never underestimate the stupidity of the American public. When unprecedented trash like the Kardashian and Palin families are actually thought to be "American royalty", you know we're a nation of fools.

      December 20, 2011 at 11:12 am |
    • HellBent

      Ah, George, thanks for the lobbed softball. Thanks for shooting yourself in the foot. Here's some gems from Mr. Madison:

      "An alliance or coalition between Government and religion cannot be too carefully guarded against......Every new and successful example therefore of a PERFECT SEPARATION between ecclesiastical and civil matters is of importance........religion and government will exist in greater purity, without (rather) than with the aid of government."

      "The tendency to unsurpastion on one side or the other, or to a corrupting coalition or alliance between them, will be best guarded agst. by an entire abstinence of the Gov't from interfence in any way whatsoever, beyond the necessity of preserving public order, and protecting each sect agst. trespasses on its legal rights by others."

      "Ecclesiastical establishments tend to great ignorance and corruption, all of which facilitate the execution of mischievous projects."

      "Who does not see that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other religions, may establish with the same ease any particular sect of Christians, in exclusion of all other sects?"

      "Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprize [sic], every expanded prospect."

      "The religion, then, of every man must be left to the conviction and conscience of every man: and that it is the right of every man to exercise it as these may dictate."

      "For where there is such a variety of sects, there can ot be a majority of any one sect to oppress and persecute the rest."

      December 20, 2011 at 11:47 am |
  17. Abinadi

    Rod, you of course realize that from the Christian point of view, mankind started with Adam who believed in God and the pagan gods were merely imitations.

    December 20, 2011 at 9:18 am |
    • AtheistSteve

      Pretty hard to imitate something that doesn't exist. All those deities predate Christianity and some even Judaism.

      December 20, 2011 at 9:27 am |
    • Abinadi

      That's your basic assumption. I, of course, start with the basic assumption that he does exist.

      December 20, 2011 at 9:31 am |
    • Abinadi

      Prove that he doesn't exist.

      December 20, 2011 at 9:33 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      @Abinadi: We don't have to prove anything...we are not claiming anything...we simply say that until there is proof (backed by scientific data) we see no reason to believe. You made the claim, now put your money where your mouth is and provide the required evidence for that claim...until you can do that, your claim fails!!!

      December 20, 2011 at 9:41 am |
    • JohnQuest

      Abinadi, the problem with your premise is that, when the God created Adam and Eve the Hindu Gods were about a thousand years old according to the Hindu Scriptures that were written about the same time that God created Adam and Eve. The Chinese were already writing down their history. How is this explained if you believe that God Created Adam and Eve and that all of Mankind came from them?

      December 20, 2011 at 9:51 am |
    • AtheistSteve

      Well not surprisingly you missed the point completely. I meant Christianity didn't exist when those other beliefs did. If anything Christianity is the one doing the imitating.

      December 20, 2011 at 10:35 am |
    • claybigsby

      well considering those pagan gods came well before christianity, who is imitating who exactly?

      December 20, 2011 at 11:48 am |
  18. George

    From the Article,

    "In fact, the United States has the world's largest Christian population, of more than 247 million ...."

    And the atheists claim that we are not a Christian nation.

    December 20, 2011 at 9:13 am |
    • Chuckles

      We aren't a christian nation, we're a nation full of christians, but those are two different things.....saavy?

      December 20, 2011 at 9:17 am |
    • George

      We are a de facto Christian nation. And if we can elect some conservative Christians into office, we can push for the Christian Amendment to the const.itution.

      December 20, 2011 at 9:19 am |
    • Abinadi

      No, we probably the most Christian nation in the world. We were founded by Christians on Christian principles and we are full of Christians. This is a Christian nation. The opposite point of view is just wishful thinking.

      December 20, 2011 at 9:21 am |
    • warmesTghosT

      Yes because theocracies have always turned out so well.

      What a horrifying idea.

      December 20, 2011 at 9:21 am |
    • Chuckles

      You two are both deluded if you think you can push some sort of "christian amendment" through to..... what exactly? Force conversion? Stick the 10 commandments into every school and courtroom and have mandatory prayer (but only to the christian god!) once a day?

      I know it's probably not ideal for you, but I'm sure Iran would love you over there, for your zeal and religiousness, you might want to convert to islam, and when you do, you'll get the nation you've always dreamed of!

      December 20, 2011 at 9:28 am |
    • HotairAce

      Better hurry up with your amendment George. The percentage of believer's in the USA is in decline – "nones" are the fastest growing group. The percentage of christians in the USA is most likely in decline as other religions such as islam grow. Christians are not united – it is highly probable there will be much civil unrest and unfortunately violence and death as the believers scrap over which fairy tale gets deemed the one truth. And then much angst as the supreme court throws it out. But it is your country so have at it!

      December 20, 2011 at 9:31 am |
    • George

      @HotAir

      Apparently you don't get that the Supreme Court can't throw out a piece of the Const.itution.

      December 20, 2011 at 9:41 am |
    • rick

      Not all Christians are as conservative as you, Georgie. You will not get a "Christian Amendment" passed. Welcome to the dust bin of history.

      December 20, 2011 at 9:49 am |
    • claybigsby

      "No, we probably the most Christian nation in the world. We were founded by Christians on Christian principles and we are full of Christians. This is a Christian nation. The opposite point of view is just wishful thinking."

      please open up a book other than the bible and do some research on the founding fathers of this country.

      December 20, 2011 at 9:50 am |
    • rick

      Abinadi: We were founded by deists, too. Both were slaveowners. If you want that, there is a little coffee colored girl down the block I would love to own (in the Thomas Jefferson sense)

      December 20, 2011 at 9:51 am |
    • HotairAce

      Re: SCOTUSA, maybe so but there will be lots of challenges and opportunity to throw out enabling legislation before any actual amendment. Going to be fascinating to watch the repeal of all or most of the 1st amendment.

      December 20, 2011 at 10:19 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      It isn't a "Christian nation" just because a majority are Christian, any more than it's a white nation because the majority are white, or a male nation because the majority are male.

      Moron.

      December 20, 2011 at 10:52 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      No, George. Everyone gets that the Const it ution is the basis of our government–that's why your silly nonsense won't pass. No one is going to make this a nation that outlaws abortion. The majority of the population doesn't want to see R v W overturned. No one is going to make marriage illegal for gays. Not going to happen.

      As you well know; that's why you're on here pretending to be an arch-conservative, when you're just a troll.

      December 20, 2011 at 11:02 am |
    • HellBent

      "We were founded by Christians on Christian principles and we are full of Christians."

      Doesn't one of your commandments say something about lying?

      December 20, 2011 at 4:31 pm |
    • TR6

      @George:” And if we can elect some conservative Christians into office, we can push for the Christian Amendment to the const.itution.”

      I’m not too worried. I remember how well Pat Roberson did running for president

      December 20, 2011 at 4:57 pm |
  19. Abinadi

    Thanks, LinCA. I saved them in a file and that will help the frustration.

    December 20, 2011 at 9:13 am |
    • LinCA

      You're welcome.

      December 20, 2011 at 11:20 am |
  20. Rod in Texas

    The Romans had Gods that turned out to be false. The Greeks had Gods that turned out to be false. Ancient China had Gods that turned out to be false. Christians have a God that will turn out to be ............ You get the idea!

    December 20, 2011 at 9:11 am |
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