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Police storm Church of the Nativity to break up brawling priestsFrom Enas Muthaffar and Kevin Flower, CNN Several dozen Greek Orthodox and Armenian priests were cleaning the interior of the church Wednesday morning when, according to witnesses, two of them began fighting. The fight quickly escalated, and soon, 50 to 60 priests were exchanging blows with broomsticks. Bethlehem police were sent in to quell the fighting, Palestinian police Maj. Ahed Hasayen said.  Police stand guard inside the Church of the Nativity after a fight broke out between priests. "This is an internal problem related to the Nativity church only. The Palestinian police had to interfere to stop the clashes as soon as possible to avoid devastating consequences," he said. CNN's Belief Blog – all the faith angles to the day's top stories According to tour guide Ghassen Tos, the fight, while intense, was short in duration. “This did not last for long as soon as the Palestinian police interfered and succeeded to halt the clashes immediately,” he said. There were no reports of any serious injuries. The Church of the Nativity is built in the West Bank city of Bethlehem on the site where Christian tradition holds Jesus Christ was born, and it is a major attraction for tourists coming to the Holy Land.  Greek Orthodox and Armenian clergy clean the Church of Nativity on December 28, 2011. The interior of the church is traditionally cleaned by priests in between celebrations of Christmas on December 25 and the Orthodox celebration in the first week of January. The church is administered jointly by the Roman Catholic, Greek Orthodox and Armenian religious authorities, and tension between the sects is not uncommon. In 2007, clergy from the same sects came to blows in a similar incident.
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Orthodox or DIE!
Bwahahahahahahahahah....hee hee hee....bwahahahahahahaha......
Yup,, love thy neighbour in action. Totally disgraceful behaviour that doesnt help religion at all.
Religion doesn't need any help. It needs to be eradicated. Anything that shows how stupid it is works for me!
TIM. The timster, the timbourine man Tim, timalongadingdong. Dude, my man, you're on to something but you have to dig deeper than your argument.
I know you guys aren't religious, but you absolutely have to read this! Genesis 19:30-38. I myself am very agnostic but this is within like the first few pages of the bible. Don't eradicate those things. The bible is very interesting. Both Christians and non believers should actually sit down and read the damn thing.
Most of us atheists HAVE read the thing. That's why we are atheists: our bullsh!t detectors kept going off every line.
You do know that atheist tend to score higher on religious knowledge tests that religious people, don't you?
Bjorn Borg. Do you master-hate? Are you a master-hater? How frequently do engage in master-haitian? You need to find the Lloyd! You need jebus!
Bjorn Borg a moose really once beat your sister? I catch things because I read well. And I read the bible because its full of freaky perverted stuff.
>>>"You do know that atheist tend to score higher on religious knowledge tests that religious people, don't you?"
The problem is that memorization of Holy Text. That would put many of those types of Atheist on the same level as those Faithful that know scripture up one wall and down the other. For most Faithful, we are not like those. In many ways these types are disliked because to them the ability to recite and memorize the scriptures and text leaves them to believe that they are closer to God or more "faithful" than the rest of us.
In other words those Atheist, extreme evangelical, Wahhabi types are pretty much the same. If I ask them how God has touched their lives, the Atheist and those Faithful often give the same empty answers. In many ways if they feel that the learning of text brings them closer then its cool but there are folks that can tell you more about boxing than Mike Tyson..... but after 10 seconds into the first round we would see that it takes more than memorization.
L'Chaim
Wi nøt trei a høliday in Sweden this yër ?
See the løveli lakes
The wøndërful telephøne system
And mäni interesting furry animals
Including the majestik møøse
A Møøse once bit my sister...
No realli! She was Karving her initials øn the møøse with the sharpened end of an interspace tøøthbrush given her by Svenge – her brother-in-law -an Oslo dentist and star of many Norwegian møvies: "The Høt Hands of an Oslo Dentist", "Fillings of Passion", "The Huge Mølars of Horst Nordfink"...
Mynd you, møøse bites Kan be pretty nasti...
Møøse Trained by YUTTE HERMSGERVØRDENBRØTBØRDA
Special Møøse Effects OLAF PROT
Møøse Costumes SIGGI CHURCHILL
Møøse choreographed by HORST PROT III
Miss Taylor's Møøses by HENGST DOUGLAS-HOME
Møøse trained to mix concrete and sign complicated insurance forms by JURGEN WIGG
Møøses noses wiped by BJØRN IRKESTØM-SLATER WALKER
Large møøse on the left hand side of the screen in the third scene from the end, given a thorough grounding in Latin, French and "O" Level Geography by BO BENN
Suggestive poses for the møøse suggested by VIC ROTTER
Antler-care by LIV THATCHER
@Monti,
Consider yourself sacked.
Säckëd? Yës, I hævë bëën in the säck wik mäni interesting furry animals. The Mexican whoopin llamas are prætty thrilling, but be kærful øf thë møøse; møøse bites Kan be pretty nasti
" møøse bites Kan be pretty nasti"
I would imagine this is particularly true in the sack.
Mark,
Do you ever plan on learning English ? Have you ever heard of plural verbs, and plural nouns ?
.....hint....."atheist" is singular ....it's very hard to understand, just like your illogical post.
2 atheists, are called "atheistS".. get it, when you have more than 1, you add an "s".
"the Atheist and those Faithful often give the same empty answers"
And christians love to quote scripture written by other men and expect critically thinking adults to just accept those answers without proof.
satans been called alot of things, dragon, serpent, desalater, devil, death, but iv not read where he was called a snake, can you give me that scripture?
True. But what language have you yourself thrown at this lucifer whilst thou wast in the throws of temptation.
Hey kenites, wheres the love?
Kenites, you are kidding, right? Eve had intimate relations with a talking snake and their progeny are here bad mouthing the word of your god. Really?
Thats why i have the key of David,to unlock Gods mystries
Tammie! Thou hast blasphemed! Yea dost thou not know that those keys thou claimest to hold in thine hand are but the keys bestowed upon Aaron and Melchezidek? David forsook the lord and did lie with Bathsheba. Yet thou claimest some power of god passed through flawed mortals.
fanatical freaks spreading more hate
Spreading hate via the end of a broomstick? Or are you referring to the posts?
Do you master-hate? Are you a master-hater? Have you made master-haitian a way of life?
What a shame! right on the birth place of the messiah... they should have jointly spread the LOVE that Jesus Christ lived and died for. How then can they talk about LOVE if in their heart resides ANGER?
Amen
Just another example of the love of jesus in action (see also crusades and inquisition)
Brawling priests says it all.
No one gets along in that part of the world. Will never change.
Bulldoze everything and give the survivours a
Sharon, Loss and Bram cd.
Yep..trash the whole place because of the actions of the few. So enlightened.
That was a truly ignorant thing to say, Uncouth. Did you think only a few people would care? You really are quite stupid.
Guess sarcasm is beyod you...as are many many things.
when confronted with reality garbage hit report abuse
Why? A bit long, yes. But where's the abuse?
herbie, get a job.
All atheism is abuse. When you consider the millions of people murdered throughout history by atheists it is a shame that atheism has not been a capital offense since the dawn of time.The execution of a few ne'er do well atheists would have spared this old world so much suffering.
Hahahahahah replace the word Atheist with Christian
That an inconvenient truth.
Without Christ there would not have been a dawn of time sammy
Without Christ most of us would have to work for a living, suffer, live, maybe experience some joy, and make our own wine.
Hmm, no big diffie, Christ or not. We just have to actually take responsibility for our own acts instead of pawning them off on a scapegoat dude. Sounds like reality to me, if you take the Christ wooja board stuff out.
Millions of people were killed by a man fom the country of Georgia. Therefore, all Georgians are evil mass murderers and should be eradicated.
Millions of people have been killed by men with moustaches. Therefore all men with moustaches are evil mass murderers who should be executed.
Of course, like Stalin's atheism, the fact that he had a moustache and the fact that he was Georgian played very little role in his murderous ways. The vast vast VAST majority of Stalin's victims were killed either for political reasons, or because he feared they could somehow create a power base against him. The tiny minority of his victims that were killed because they were religious pales in comparison to the numbers of people that Christians (or Muslims or Jews) have killed in inquisitions, religious wars, crusades, and so on.
The truth is indeed inconvenient for you, "inconvenient truth." It refutes your arguements completely.
And how many people would have been Stalins victims if the world had executed him for the crime of atheism as a young man?
Death for apostasy, how truly old testament! Should we bring back stoning for working on the sabbath and selling daughters into slavery? Read Leviticus, you'll love all the glory that the old testament can bring back to our lives!
Gosh you are really stupid, (un)truth. When Stalin was a young man, he was in religious schools and seminaries, studying to become a Georgian Orthodox priest.
Hey inco truthy the inconvenience is that your truth, isn't.
Actually, Inconvenient Truth has a good idea going. Since Stalin was religious as a young man, and since a great many atheists grow up as believers in a religious household, then we really should kill off all the religious children if we want to also get the potential atheist mass murderer amonst them.
I am all for that.
Unlike religion and political ideologies, atheism isn't a prescriptive means by which to treat people.
"Incovenient truth"? You've spelled your name wrong again. Until you can actually provide proof for your as.sertions, you should only call yourself "pointless opinion."
@An inconvenient truth:” it is a shame that atheism has not been a capital offense since the dawn of time.”
Actually it was (see inquisition)
@An inconvenient truth:”And how many people would have been Stalins victims if the world had executed him for the crime of atheism as a young man?”
NONE! Stalin was eastern orthodox Christian
"Without Christ there would not have been a dawn of time sammy"
and without humans there would be no christ.
Repressed sexual urges are a helluva drug!
Greek Orthodox Priests are allowed to marry....
Nick...don't confuse the haters with little things like facts. It'll just frustrate them.
Lol–you think marriage cures repressed sexual urges...bwahahahahaha!
Oy...just because you don't get any in your relationship doesn't mean no else does. Lol.
"Greek Orthodox Priests are allowed to marry...."
They marry 10 year old boys?
And this is where derp went flying off the tracks.
Yet this exact type of person, WITHOUT the benefit of a few thousand years of civilisation, wrote the bible, and we're supposed to accept the claim that they WEREN'T just a bunch of harebrained bigoted maniacs, but holy oracles who got the real straight dope from the big man upstairs, and would never EVER tell a tall tale for any reason....bwahahahahaha!
ahahhahaaahha I love it!
now even the Christians are fighting with each other.
But not very well, I was looking forward to a good old-school holy war.
Wait for it, with Egypt becoming an Islamic state, we will probably see Jerusalem burn to the ground with in 5 years. Although if china has the upcoming revolution in 2015 (I got plains) it might not come to pass, if china meets the people with violence. It will be world war 3.
Still a holy war would be pretty fun to watch, especially ifs it’s between Christendom
Your friendly neighborhood fallen angel, leading people to revolution since 1500b.c ♥
And they need the PALESTINIANS to come in and keep the peace ! ! !
@Yup! Probably the thickest bowl of irony served up in a while. Gotta love it.
doesn't matter, Mary was of the house of David, sometimes you can have it both ways if you're the one telling the story.
@ Maurys Bible Show
Doesn't matter one iota who Mary's parents descended from, and NOT once in your Babble does the lineage of the mother EVER matter AT ALL. BTW, PROVE it. Anne and Joachim have varying lineages proposed, by various authors. Which one are you saying was right ?
Obviously, these guys don't get enough healthy diversion in their lives . . .
or pus sy
I see they took the article off the front page. Crap! I was hoping for more fundies! And I don't mean "george-clones" either.
Now the headline is the Iowa Caucus, they could pass out brooms and settle it quick, film at 11.
@ Jim – I'd watch the hell out of that.
Broomsticks with knives taped to the ends would make a nice little bloodbath.
@Ted, it would make for good TV. At least the debates would be interesting.
Normally, I'm not a link poster, but this is confirmation of something I think we already intuitively knew
Oops, I guess the link would help.
http://www.philly.com/philly/health/topics/HealthDay653161_20111102_Being__Born-Again__Linked_to_More_Brain_Atrophy__Study.html
Without reading the article you linked to, I already have a good idea of how detrimental religion is to brain usage, thanks.
If you had read it more carefully, you would not have posted it.
Muslims breaking up Cohristian vs. Christian violence....
I doubt it none. We've become what we hate.
Speak for yourself. I haven't become a religious idiot, so you're wrong about that.
So you identify yourself with the non- religious peaceful Communists under the leadership of Stalin, Castro, Mao ze-Dung and the Kim dynasty of North Korea? Just say so!
Thinker, the problem with the non-religious despot argument is that religious leaders tend to do things because a god told them to. Atheists dictators do things because they alone want to. So an Atheist murderer is a sociopath. And a religious murderer is a schizophrenic sociopath. The only real difference is one has an imaginary boss pulling the strings. I don't know of any Atheist that will argue that without a god all people will behave, I think more people will have a healthy world view without the fog of religion.
How funny is it that a person who makes such stupid assumptions should go by the name of "Thinker23"?
We need to give these guys some real weapons! And training. They definitely need training.
They need beer. Not training.
Oh, and chicks. My GOD they need women. With or without facial hair.
Oh, and drugs. Beer, Girls, Drugs. That is what they need.
There is a serious skills gap here. If they were ever over-run by Shaolin Monks the church of the nativity would fall into heathen hands.
I vote we send a delegation of hairy women and cheap Chinese swords over to these guys. That should liven things up!
Ironicus, you can find both at any flea market, I'm in!
And hello again Mr. Scrutinizer.
Hi Jim! Hope you are having a nice evening.
I am! Brawling priests always brighten my day. And you?
Is there some way we could actually do that? I'd put five bucks in...
...And this lamp. And that is all they need too. Beer, these hairy girls, drugs, some swords, this lamp and that's it........and this dog. THIS DOG, and this lamp. Beer, these hairy girls, drugs, some swords and, oh they need this table.....and that is all they need too!
Jim, this is the funniest blog ever. I have been on the dam thing all day neglecting all duties.
What are you looking at? What, you think I'm some kind of Jerk or somethin?
I just got on, I'll probably be neglectin' now too.
Don't forget some tweezers to pluck all those specks and logs from each others eyes! And buckets of turds to fling! And..and..
Steve Martin "The Jerk"
I can't believe you guys forgot rock n' roll.
Rock music would probably give them hives. But just a leeetle training would make a big difference in how these fights play out.
I laugh when I think of them tending their tiny bruises.
"...And this lamp. And that is all they need too. Beer, these hairy girls, drugs, some swords, this lamp and that's it........and this dog. THIS DOG, and this lamp. Beer, these hairy girls, drugs, some swords and, oh they need this table.....and that is all they need too!"
Just build them a Walmart.
And I say unto you broom swin.gers and blasphemers. Forni.cators and Fudge-Packers. Hear me now and hear me well else your eternity will be but boiling welts in a pit of fire and pain. The third guy on the left with the beard and mask is right. Everyone else is wrong. Pray on this and be well!
Also, he is the Broomacratic Party's nominee for 2012! Praise God!
And all over a non-historic event!!!
Read on if you want added details:
As per many contemporary NT exegetes, his parents were Mary and Joseph although some say Jesus was a mamzer, the result of a pre-marital relationship between Mary and a Roman soldier.
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html
Jesus was not born in Bethlehem at least the one we are familiar with and there were no pretty wingie thingies singing from on high, no slaughter of the innocents by Herod, no visiting wise men and no escape to Egypt.
"John P. Meier – Professor at Notre Dame
Meier [Marginal Jew I,216-219] notes that the "affirmation of Jesus' descent from David might easily be placed alongside his birth at Bethlehem as a theologoumenon (a theological insight narrated as a historical event) if it were not for the fact that numerous and diverse streams of NT tradition also affirm Jesus' Davidic lineage."
"Meier suggests that the belief that Jesus was "son of David" may have been held by Jesus' followers prior to his death, with his resurrection then being understood as a form of enthronement. However, he notes that such messianic views, whatever their provenance, cannot prove Jesus was "literally, biologically of Davidic stock."
http://wiki.faithfutures.org/index.php?t-itle=007_Of_Davids_Lineage
Conclusion: the holyday of Christmas is historically a non-event. Ditto for the Feast of the Magi and the solemnity of Mary aka New Years day.
Matt 1:18-25: From Professor Gerd Ludemann in his book, Jesus After 2000 Years, pp. 123-124, "The fathering of Jesus from the Holy Spirit and his birth from the virgin Mary are unhistorical". Ludemann gives a very detailed analysis to support his conclusions. One part being the lack of attestations to these events and the late time strata of said story.
"Lüdemann [Jesus], (pp. 261-63) discounts Luke's account as a legend deriving from Jewish Hellenistic circles that were concerned to hold together the procreation of the Spirit, the authentic sonship of the Messiah and the virginal conception. "
Then there are these additional conclusions:
Bruce Chilton
"In [Rabbi Jesus: An Intimate Biography] (2000), Chilton develops the idea of Jesus as a mamzer; someone whose irregular birth circu-mstances result in their exclusion from full participation in the life of the community. He argues for the natural pa-ternity of Joseph and finds no need for a miraculous conception. In his subsequent reconstruction of Jesus' life, Chilton suggests that this sustained personal experience of exclusion played a major role in Jesus' self-ident-ity, his concept of God and his spiritual quest.
John Dominic Crossan
"In [Historical Jesus] (p. 371) Crossan treats this cluster, like 007 Of Davids Lineage, as an example of the interplay of prophecy and history in the development of the Jesus traditions.
"In [Birth of Christianity] (pp. 26-29) Crossan uses Luke's account of Jesus' conception and birth to explore ethical issues concerning the public interpretation of the past. He notes the tendency of Christian scholars to disregard "pagan" birth legends while investing great effort in the defence of biblical birth narratives. He concludes:
I do not accept the divine conception of either Jesus or Augustus as factual history, but I believe that God is incarnate in the Jewish peasant poverty of Jesus and not in the Roman imperial power of Augustus. "
"The following ancient parallels to Jesus' miraculous conception should be noted:
Birth of Moses (Exod 2:1-10)
Birth of Plato (Diogenes Laertius, Lives of Eminent Philosophers, 3.45) [see Acts of Jesus, p. 507]
Birth of Alexander the Great (Plutarch, Parallel Lives, 2.1-3.5) [see Acts of Jesus, p. 502f]
Birth of Apollonius (Philostratus, Life of Apollonius, I.4) [see Acts of Jesus, p. 505]"
And some final words from Thomas Jefferson, not a contemporary NT scholar, but indeed a very learned man:
"And the day will come,
when the mystical generation of Jesus,
by the Supreme Being as His Father,
in the womb of a virgin,
will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva
in the brain of Jupiter.
– Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826)
Letter to John Adams, from Monticello, April 11, 1823.
Reality,
I don't every really read your entire posts, but keep them up. I appreciate them. I just can't read that much without getting "post-freeze". Dam painful. I even boycott half of my own posts cuz they are too long. Carry on.
I think this is Reality's attempt at humor.
After spending the ENTIRE chapter of Matthew 1 establishing that Jeebus was in the Davidic line, through Joseph, at the end of the chapter they say Joseph was NOT the father, (a little birdy did it).
But actually it makes a belieber out of me. For yeah, verily, thus and fer sure, a prophesy is fulfilled amongst ye, this day.
"For behold, I shall make a clean sweep of ye, that weareth the wrong colored dress and tassels, and shall wring thy neck unto with them there all thereof, and send thee unto the clink, thereof, and thine abbot shall pay unto me a large bond". Delusions 1:99.
do not read hit report abuse on all reality bull sh it
Luv me some Reality. Go Reality wup those jeebus freakies.