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January 3rd, 2012
11:01 PM ET

Santorum benefits from evangelical surge, but born-again Iowans splinter

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

(CNN)--Rick Santorum rode a largely evangelical wave of support to finish eight votes behind Mitt Romney in the Iowa Republican caucuses Tuesday night, according to CNN entrance polls, but the evangelical bloc nonetheless appeared to be seriously splintered.

Santorum garnered 34% of evangelical caucus-goers, according to entrance polls, the libertarian Ron Paul garnered 18%, while Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich and Rick Perry each took 14% of that vote. Michele Bachmann won 6% of evangelical caucus-goers and Jon Huntsman won 1%.

The entrance poll reflects an evangelical consensus against Romney, who won a plurality of Iowa’s nonevangelical caucus-goers, but also showcases evangelical disagreement over the best alternative to the former Massachusetts governor, considered to be the establishment candidate and the national front-runner for the Republican presidential nomination.

John Green, a political scientist at the University of Akron, noted that Romney did worse among Iowa evangelicals on Tuesday night than he did as a presidential candidate four years ago, when he won 19% of evangelical Iowans.

Some evangelicals oppose Romney because of his Mormon faith, while others distrust him because of his past social liberalism on issues such as abortion, though Romney says he is now against abortion.

Ron Paul, also a candidate in 2008, roughly doubled his evangelical support from four years ago.

Some 58% of Iowa caucus-goers on Tuesday identified as evangelical, according to entrance polls, about as many as in 2008, when Huckabee was seen to have provoked a spike in evangelical turnout.

This year, the intense pursuit of evangelical votes by several candidates, especially Gingrich, Perry, Santorum and Bachmann, might have kept evangelical numbers up.

Tuesday night marked a departure from 2008, when one candidate – Mike Huckabee – won about half of the Iowa evangelical caucus-goers.

For Huckabee, though, evangelical support was as much hindrance as help, as the former Baptist preacher struggled to break out beyond evangelical voters for the rest of the GOP primaries.

Get the latest news on the Iowa caucuses

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

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  1. Steve Sybesma

    All this religious puke is giving me a stomach ache. Just vote for the guy and stop straining over it. You're making a mistake anyway voting for a guy that wants to start another war. How much difference can there be between the candidates, most of whom are bible-beaters? They all want war and they all want super-powerful corporations owning and running everything while paying slave wages to Americans. Evangelical fantasy world.

    January 4, 2012 at 6:10 pm |
    • Juan Viche

      http://tekgnosis.typepad.com/tekgnosis/2012/01/ron-paul-many-people-who-watch-this-whole-video-change-their-vote.html

      January 4, 2012 at 6:46 pm |
  2. amac

    John F. Kennedy declared in 1960 that "I am not the Catholic candidate for president; I am a candidate for president who happens to be Catholic." Too bad today's presidential candidates can't, or won't, draw the same distinction.

    January 4, 2012 at 5:29 pm |
    • Caleb

      Have you seen Romney's speech from 4 years ago? Should he have to give that speech again?
      [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaR3SplytX0&w=640&h=360]

      January 4, 2012 at 5:44 pm |
  3. 1tonks

    When are people and all GOP candidates going to realize that CHURCH and STATE in this country are separate!!! I am a Christian myself, but I think these politicians should leave their evangelical rhetoric out of Washington. Fix the REAL issues, start with the crumbling sorry state of public education, make tougher laws for insurance companies to protect ill people and give incentives to doctors to practice preventative medicine. Get the HELL out of bed with the CEOs of banks, Wall Street, and any other company that decides to buy you hypocrites for a price. How can you condemn others for their actions when we know you've been bought? Actions speak louder than words, and if you are doing what's right, then you won't have to proclaim what your religion is on your sleeves, or how God fearing you think you are...otherwise you are a hypocrite and have become the exact thing that Jesus spent his ministry fighting against!
    PS: there's no such thing as the rapture, look it up!!!

    January 4, 2012 at 5:26 pm |
    • Ancient Curse

      Couldn't agree more with your post, friend. These are the exact issues that could and should bring us all together, instead of minor issues that seem to tear us apart.

      January 4, 2012 at 5:38 pm |
    • Joseph B

      The way I see it evangelical christians are responsible for electing W Bush twice and nearly destroying the country. They are America's version of the Taliban who are mindless zombies who do what the rich 1% like Rupert Murdoch tells them through Fox Propaganda. The only thing Rupert Murdoch cares about is lower taxes for himself and Newscorp and less regulation so he can become even richer and more powerful. Evangelicals can be easily manipulated by propaganda like Fox news and emotional issues like abortion that shouldn't be a major issue.
      The skillful use of propaganda and emotional issues is how Hitler rose to power..

      January 4, 2012 at 6:55 pm |
  4. Mormon Think

    I've researched enough about the history of the Mormon Church to call it absolute religious fiction. Joseph Smith was not a Prophet of God, but a man with a creative imagination and a desire for multiple women outside of marriage. Of course, all under the Lord's direction....

    January 4, 2012 at 5:05 pm |
    • OGR99

      So, in your mind, is that The Lord's fault or Joseph Smith's?

      January 4, 2012 at 5:15 pm |
    • JJC

      You are correct. Mormonism is obviously false, as is all other religions.

      January 4, 2012 at 5:27 pm |
    • JennyTX

      To Mormon Think: And you don't think the theories of the virgin birth and resurrection aren't just a tiny bit far fetched?

      January 4, 2012 at 5:43 pm |
    • EnjaySea

      It's Joseph Smith's fault for deceiving millions for his own carnal pleasures. Unless his magic decoder stones and his magic top hat really did allow him to translate his magic texts, which is unlikely since an Egyptian papyrus he supposedly "translated" turned out to say something completely different after we learned to read hieroglyphics.

      And it can't be "the lord's fault" unless there is a lord to blame, and that has never been established, rendering that option completely moot.

      January 4, 2012 at 5:46 pm |
    • mike

      Love how people of different religions smear each other. Reminds me of the crazy radicals in the middle east.

      January 4, 2012 at 5:46 pm |
    • Bored

      Well, since we're not electing our President to establish a national religion I think you're safe. That said, you sound just like a hatemongering, biased Evangelical.

      January 4, 2012 at 6:00 pm |
    • isolate

      The second chapter of the Book of Mormon specifically rules out plural marriage: “Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none." (Jacob 2:27)

      Any non-Mormon who reads the Book of Mormon is struck by the number of anachronisms and factual errors. Statements in the Old Testament have been supported by historical and archaeological research and huge amounts of physical evidence indicating that many things did happen as they are described.

      The events described in the Book of Mormon have no historical or archaeological support whatsoever. The book relates the rise and fall of Hebrew tribes who allegedly lived in North America for a thousand years, built massive cities and killed each other off in what must have been the greatest internecine battle in history, without leaving a single artifact, grave or scrap of writing behind. I honestly cannot fathom how it ever became a popular religion.

      I have great respect for the Mormon people and the accomplishments of the LDS church, but its theology is right up there with the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

      January 4, 2012 at 6:09 pm |
    • Joseph B

      I researched Christianity and there is no evidence that Jesus ever existed. The earliest Bible was written 400 years after the alledged Christ diedl. Evengelical's are a recent invention and has little to do with the teaching of christ in the Bible. While I believe the Bible is a fairy tale, I think some of the things Jesus was alledged to have said are teachings that should be followed by all mankind, like compassion and love for your neighbor, but find evangelicals to be the biggest phony's and hypocrates. When you have so many politicians pandering for the evangelical vote you know its all a con job..

      January 4, 2012 at 7:00 pm |
    • EnjaySea

      Joseph, although I agree with your overall impression of the bible as a reliable source of information, your date of 400 years is a bit off. It is widely assumed that all of the gospels were written before 70 AD. That's still a bit of a stretch when it comes to relying on the memory of people writing things 70 years after the fact.

      January 4, 2012 at 7:44 pm |
  5. excitizen

    One thing I find truly disturbing about the coverage is the constant reference to "Values Voters" by the media when referring to the evangelicals/christians. These are the people of the "let him die" party. The same people who would vote for a candidate that would have your neighbors dying in the streets from no health care, no welfare, no unemployment premiums, always back capital punishment, etc., etc., etc.. The only issue they favour that actually has some basis in their bible is the pro-life issue, yet even that is fought with hatred and sometimes violence. Now, on the other hand the democrats (obviously non values voters according to the media and any republican) are for helping those who are less fortunate (lower income people which every single society on earth requires to work properly), providing health care for all its citizens (not just the rich) and social safety nets for when good people sometimes run into hard times (at no fault of their own in some cases, like a recession) are the bad guys??? The hypocrisy never ends! Unless the "Values" they are referring to are the all mighty dollar values.

    January 4, 2012 at 4:47 pm |
    • OGR99

      Extremists on both sides, no?

      January 4, 2012 at 4:50 pm |
    • c

      You left out dumb.

      January 4, 2012 at 5:00 pm |
    • Janny

      I feel the exact same way! My head wants to explode when they refer to these lunatics as 'values voters'...!!! It is incredibly insulting!!

      January 4, 2012 at 5:05 pm |
    • JJWW

      It's abbreviated. The long version is "McDonald's Value Meal Eating Voters."

      January 4, 2012 at 5:18 pm |
    • Wilson James

      I've always felt that those who tout religion and patriotism have the weakest arguements to lead. They are hiding intellectual weakness and fear of change. They want everyone to look like them, pray like them and like what they like. Scary folks.

      January 4, 2012 at 5:22 pm |
    • Chuck88888

      Democrats care more for the poor? Are you joking but thanks for the chuckles; Democrats are only generous with other people's money but are greedy with their own personal money. There are numerous studies that show that conservatives give more time and money to private charities than liberals.

      January 4, 2012 at 5:32 pm |
    • Jess

      Awesome. Well said!!!!

      January 4, 2012 at 5:36 pm |
    • SixDegrees

      If you think the Democrats help the poor, you really need to come visit Detroit, which has been under the control of Democrats continuously for over 50 years.

      January 4, 2012 at 6:34 pm |
    • JaneS

      Thank you excitizen. It's time these "values" voters take a good long look at how they've been hoodwinked and disassociate themselves from the Republican Party and the corruption therein. The GOP is NOT the "Christian" party, for God's sake. They play on your simplistic thinking and it's time Christians looked at the big picture. For sane moderate thinking take a look at the Sojourner's website, or the Christian Left. They won't tell you how to vote but maybe you can get back to realizing you have choices.

      January 4, 2012 at 6:35 pm |
    • Joseph B

      To the evangelicals who blame democrats for the mess America is in today I have a message for you. The economy was just fine during the Clinton era and the budget was in suprlus. You voted Bush in for 8 years and now complain about the mess America is in have only yourselves to blame. You were more concerned about Bill Clinton's private life and non issues like abortion than the economy. What a bunch of fools right wing evangelicals are.

      January 4, 2012 at 7:14 pm |
  6. Brian

    In 1988 Bush finished behind Pat Robertson in Iowa. Reagan also lost in Iowa. What does that tell you about agricultural Evangelicals?

    January 4, 2012 at 4:38 pm |
    • Joseph B

      What's scary is these extremist are the same people who elected Bush twice and now complain about the mess America is in.

      January 4, 2012 at 7:11 pm |
  7. OGR99

    For a system of beliefs you libs seem to hate so much, you sure seem pretty afraid of 'em. Theocracy? Really? Sounds like the loons on the right who think Obama can create a dictatorship.

    January 4, 2012 at 4:38 pm |
    • Fantasies

      oh, like we "libs" or as I like to think of myself, a reasonable human being, should just accept your religious fantasies and let you control my life, I don't think so!

      January 4, 2012 at 5:00 pm |
    • OGR99

      So, because a person subscribes to Christianity, they're not reasonable human beings. Hmmm. Interesting point of view.

      Be careful though, your intolerance for those you disagree with is showing. Like most of the posts on this board.

      January 4, 2012 at 5:11 pm |
    • c

      No problem with anyones "system of beliefs"; as long as they are coherent – I.E. against abortion; yet support's death penalty and always want to shoot something. For family values; yet cheat on the wife; against gays; yet diddle's guys. For prosperity; as long as nobody else benefits. On don't forget those peace loving war monger's attacking countries just to get rich from other people's resources. Bunch of D hypocrits.

      January 4, 2012 at 5:14 pm |
    • isolate

      Those of us who live perfectly upright and respectable lives without the need for religion aren't "afraid" of religious concepts, but by and large indifferent to them. The danger presented by fundamentalist Christians is the same danger posed by fundamentalist Muslims, Hindus, Jews, etc. The rigidity of their belief system is such that logic, intelligence and rationality are swept away by zealotry. There is a saying that covers it nicely: Beware the power of stupid people in large groups. The worst of the lot are those who have intentionally "stupefied" themselves into becoming religious fanatics, preferring their fantasies to consensual reality.

      January 4, 2012 at 6:26 pm |
  8. mtnmedic

    Religion is the cancer of the world.

    January 4, 2012 at 4:32 pm |
    • WHATSHISNAME MEDIA

      Moron.

      January 4, 2012 at 4:42 pm |
    • perrrob

      It is a disease of the mind. Education is the cure.

      January 4, 2012 at 4:52 pm |
    • kayjulia

      Your too kind

      January 4, 2012 at 5:02 pm |
    • c

      No- I think ignorance is the cancer of the world.

      January 4, 2012 at 5:16 pm |
    • Wilson James

      There is no such thing as religious tolerence. From one religion to another, from athiest to beliver. It is the most devisive and negative influence in mankinds sordid history.

      January 4, 2012 at 5:24 pm |
    • John

      I agree.Religion has never cured cancer.Jesus Christ has.Religion has never changed lives,Jesus Christ has.

      January 4, 2012 at 5:44 pm |
    • James

      Religion provides comfort...in a world torn apart by religion.

      January 4, 2012 at 6:47 pm |
  9. Jeffer65

    I wish the media would stop lumping all Evangelicals in one group. I've been a WELS Lutheran all my life, and I don't like any of the Republicans. Most of them just want to start a war with Iran.

    January 4, 2012 at 4:24 pm |
  10. Will

    Santorum is suring out of Iowa, but look out! Here comes Romney the Pelvis Pulverizer

    January 4, 2012 at 4:23 pm |
    • RightCoastVA

      The hell does that even mean?

      January 4, 2012 at 4:52 pm |
  11. REG in AZ

    If the Evangelists would ever consider the total picture, including all issues and what they really gain (not just the rhetoric aimed to con them), they would then rationally and objectively vote their own consciences and tell the clergy advocating loyalty to "the few's" "puppet" candidates to beg forgiveness for their irresponsibly allowing themselves to be manipulated.

    January 4, 2012 at 4:17 pm |
  12. Sue

    Yes, its time to get religion out of politics – it's all well and good if people want to practice their faith, but don't force it onto us. I am so sick and tired of these people with their moral outrage and they are the ones that are condeming everyone that is not like them. It's time to stop and see that everyone is different and not care about what someone else is doing or saying. It would be a much better world. I don't care what religion or if the president has a religion – it just doesn't matter to me – their are more important things to deal with then that.

    January 4, 2012 at 4:15 pm |
    • Mike

      I know what you mean Sue! Its like having gay marriage forced on us or forcing those who work hard and pay taxes to prop up those who dont.

      January 4, 2012 at 4:43 pm |
    • ashrakay

      @Mike, Who will you be forced into gay marrying? And congratulations! I always knew you had it in you.

      January 4, 2012 at 5:05 pm |
    • c

      Hey; did you know the founder of the Morman religion (Joseph Smith) got signs from this angel Moroni telling him to go dig up the book of morman in Palmyra, New York. Unfortumately religion does matter. My thinking is -anybody dumb enough to believe this crap probably shouldn't be president.

      January 4, 2012 at 5:21 pm |
    • ashrakay

      @c, I'm not going to disagree with you, but you could say the same thing about all religions.

      January 4, 2012 at 5:34 pm |
  13. Will

    F*#K your pitiful "Christ".

    January 4, 2012 at 4:13 pm |
    • Pandora

      Stupid comments like that only show your anger issues, typical of atheists.

      January 4, 2012 at 4:35 pm |
    • Ahem

      There is a major difference between Atheists and Trolls, Above is an example of a troll. Also Atheists are like religious people, there are nice ones, rude ones, angry ones, sad ones, happy ones, accepting ones. Don't judge a group from your experiences alone.

      January 4, 2012 at 4:54 pm |
  14. Sal

    I will even go one step further by saying that any fool who votes for republicans are voting for perpetual wars! 

    January 4, 2012 at 4:08 pm |
  15. Reality

    The Apostles' Creed 2011: (updated by yours truly based on the studies of NT historians and theologians of the past 200 years)

    Should I believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
    and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
    human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven?????

    I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
    preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
    named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
    girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)

    Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
    the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

    He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
    a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of
    Jerusalem.

    Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
    many semi-fiction writers. A bodily resurrection and
    ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
    Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
    grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
    and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
    called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

    Amen

    See below for the references used in the update:

    January 4, 2012 at 4:04 pm |
    • excitizen

      You can post for hours about YOUR beliefs, but all I want to know is this: Do you believe that it's o.k. and will you vote for a candidate that will repeal health care and return to the criminal activity of insurance companies taking people's hard earned dollars and then telling them that they won't cover them because they've been sick once before in their life? Would you say let him die? Are you more beholden to corporations than to your neighbour? YOu can post all you want, but where are YOUR VALUES?

      January 4, 2012 at 4:56 pm |
    • Reality

      Obviously, we can no longer afford to fight Muslim terrorism abr-oad. So bring the troops home making it clear to countries like Iran, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan that W-MD already in our ar-senal and paid for will be delivered upon their capitals and mosques if our country is ever attacked again by Muslims from anywhere.

      And the prom-ulgation of the flaws and fallacies of Islam should be made the number one priority of Departments of State, Defense and Homeland Security. With no Islam, there will no longer be any koranic/mosque-driven acts of terror.

      And do we still need troops in Germany? Ditto for Ja-pan? WWII was over 66 years ago.

      And then there are these other suggestions:

      Some incentives to live a healthy life style and also ways to pay for universal health care.

      1. An added two dollar health insurance tax (or higher) on a pack of cigarettes. Ditto taxes on alcoholic beverages, the higher the alcohol content, the higher the tax. Ditto for any product shown to be unhealthy (e.g. guns, high caloric/fatty foods??)

      2. Physicals akin to those required for life insurance- the overly ob-ese will pay signficantly more Medicare and universal health insurance (unless the obe-sity is caused by a medical condition).

      3. No universal health care coverage for drivers driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs or using cell phones while driving.

      4. No universal health coverage for drug addicts or for those having self-inflicted ST-Ds.

      5. No universal health coverage for abortions unless the life of the mother is at significant risk and judged to be so by at least two doctors.

      6. No universal health coverage for eu-thanasia.

      7. No foreign aid given to countries who abort females simply because they are female.

      And then let us have a flat tax, no exceptions for individuals or corporations basically eliminating the need for most if not all of the IRS, corporation tax departments and corporation loop holes.

      And obviously the US government is now a charity case far worse than any group on the globe. The Buffets and Gates of the world should chip in via donating some of their 100's of billions to said charity.

      And if the RCC would shut its doors as it should considering its flawed history and theology, said contributions keeping this dinosaur afloat could be used to keep our government in good order. Ditto for all other churches and temples in the USA..

      January 4, 2012 at 5:20 pm |
    • Vlad

      Geez. I've never seen this before. Ever. You must be one heck of an original thinker.

      (sarc)

      January 4, 2012 at 5:24 pm |
    • Reality

      And we await Vlad's ideas.

      January 5, 2012 at 8:02 am |
  16. Reality

    One more time for Mike's benefit, the references used to updatet the Apostles' Creed. And please read them all before making any rebuttals:

    o 1. Historical Jesus Theories, earlychristianwritings.com/theories.htm – the names of many of the contemporary historical Jesus scholars and the ti-tles of their over 100 books on the subject.
    2. Early Christian Writings, earlychristianwritings.com/
    – a list of early Christian doc-uments to include the year of publication–
    30-60 CE Passion Narrative
    40-80 Lost Sayings Gospel Q
    50-60 1 Thessalonians
    50-60 Philippians
    50-60 Galatians
    50-60 1 Corinthians
    50-60 2 Corinthians
    50-60 Romans
    50-60 Philemon
    50-80 Colossians
    50-90 Signs Gospel
    50-95 Book of Hebrews
    50-120 Didache
    50-140 Gospel of Thomas
    50-140 Oxyrhynchus 1224 Gospel
    50-200 Sophia of Jesus Christ
    65-80 Gospel of Mark
    70-100 Epistle of James
    70-120 Egerton Gospel
    70-160 Gospel of Peter
    70-160 Secret Mark
    70-200 Fayyum Fragment
    70-200 Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs
    73-200 Mara Bar Serapion
    80-100 2 Thessalonians
    80-100 Ephesians
    80-100 Gospel of Matthew
    80-110 1 Peter
    80-120 Epistle of Barnabas
    80-130 Gospel of Luke
    80-130 Acts of the Apostles
    80-140 1 Clement
    80-150 Gospel of the Egyptians
    80-150 Gospel of the Hebrews
    80-250 Christian Sibyllines
    90-95 Apocalypse of John
    90-120 Gospel of John
    90-120 1 John
    90-120 2 John
    90-120 3 John
    90-120 Epistle of Jude
    93 Flavius Josephus
    100-150 1 Timothy
    100-150 2 Timothy
    100-150 T-itus
    100-150 Apocalypse of Peter
    100-150 Secret Book of James
    100-150 Preaching of Peter
    100-160 Gospel of the Ebionites
    100-160 Gospel of the Nazoreans
    100-160 Shepherd of Hermas
    100-160 2 Peter

    3. Historical Jesus Studies, faithfutures.org/HJstudies.html,
    – "an extensive and constantly expanding literature on historical research into the person and cultural context of Jesus of Nazareth"
    4. Jesus Database, faithfutures.org/JDB/intro.html–"The JESUS DATABASE is an online annotated inventory of the traditions concerning the life and teachings of Jesus that have survived from the first three centuries of the Common Era. It includes both canonical and extra-canonical materials, and is not limited to the traditions found within the Christian New Testament."
    5. Josephus on Jesus mtio.com/articles/bissar24.htm
    6. The Jesus Seminar, mystae.com/restricted/reflections/messiah/seminar.html#Criteria
    7. Writing the New Testament- mystae.com/restricted/reflections/messiah/testament.html
    8. Health and Healing in the Land of Israel By Joe Zias
    joezias.com/HealthHealingLandIsrael.htm
    9. Economics in First Century Palestine, K.C. Hanson and D. E. Oakman, Palestine in the Time of Jesus, Fortress Press, 1998.

    January 4, 2012 at 4:00 pm |
    • Reality

      Make that "update" and continued from above:

      10. 7. The Gnostic Jesus
      (Part One in a Two-Part Series on Ancient and Modern Gnosticism)
      by Douglas Groothuis: equip.org/free/DG040-1.htm
      11. The interpretation of the Bible in the Church, Pontifical Biblical Commission
      Presented on March 18, 1994
      ewtn.com/library/CURIA/PBCINTER.HTM#2
      12. The Jesus Database- newer site:
      wiki.faithfutures.org/index.php?t-itle=Jesus_Database
      13. Jesus Database with the example of Supper and Eucharist:
      faithfutures.org/JDB/jdb016.html
      14. Josephus on Jesus by Paul Maier:
      mtio.com/articles/bissar24.htm
      15. The Journal of Higher Criticism with links to articles on the Historical Jesus:
      mtio.com/articles/bissar24.htm

      January 4, 2012 at 4:02 pm |
    • Reality

      16. The Greek New Testament: laparola.net/greco/
      17. Diseases in the Bible:
      etd.unisa.ac.za/ETD-db/theses/available/etd-08022006-125807/unrestricted/02dissertation.pdf
      18. Religion on Line (6000 articles on the history of religion, churches, theologies,
      theologians, ethics, etc.
      religion-online.org/
      19. The Jesus Seminarians and their search for NT authenticity:
      mystae.com/restricted/reflections/messiah/seminar.html#Criteria
      20. The New Testament Gateway – Internet NT ntgateway.com/
      21. Writing the New Testament- existing copies, oral tradition etc.
      ntgateway.com/
      22. The Search for the Historic Jesus by the Jesus Seminarians:
      members.aol.com/DrSwiney/seminar.html

      January 4, 2012 at 4:02 pm |
    • Reality

      23. Jesus Decoded by Msgr. Francis J. Maniscalco (Da Vinci Code review)jesusdecoded.com/introduction.php
      24. JD Crossan's scriptural references for his book the Historical Jesus separated into time periods: faithfutures.org/Jesus/Crossan1.rtf
      25. JD Crossan's conclusions about the authencity of most of the NT based on the above plus the conclusions of other NT exegetes in the last 200 years:
      faithfutures.org/Jesus/Crossan2.rtf
      26. Common Sayings from Thomas's Gospel and the Q Gospel: faithfutures.org/Jesus/Crossan3.rtf
      27. Early Jewish Writings- Josephus and his books by t-itle with the complete translated work in English :earlyjewishwritings.com/josephus.html
      28. Luke and Josephus- was there a connection?
      infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/lukeandjosephus.html
      29. NT and beyond time line:
      pbs.org/empires/peterandpaul/history/timeline/
      30. St. Paul's Time line with discussion of important events:
      harvardhouse.com/prophetictech/new/pauls_life.htm
      31. See http://www.amazon.com for a list of JD Crossan's books and those of the other Jesus Seminarians: Reviews of said books are included and selected pages can now be viewed on Amazon. Some books can be found on-line at Google Books.
      32. Father Edward Schillebeeckx's words of wisdom as found in his books.
      33. The books of the following : Professors Marcus Borg, Paula Fredriksen, Elaine Pagels, Karen Armstrong and Bishop NT Wright.
      34. Father Raymond Brown's An Introduction to the New Testament, Doubleday, NY, 1977, 878 pages, with Nihil obstat and Imprimatur.
      35. Luke Timothy Johnson's book The Real Jesus

      January 4, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
    • Fantasies

      you've got too much time on your hands

      January 4, 2012 at 5:01 pm |
  17. Sorensen

    The poor, old born-agains are obviously a very confused lot. Somebody should tell them that all this jazz does not really
    matter. But then again, if they are happy, so be it.

    January 4, 2012 at 3:58 pm |
  18. vel

    can you imagine if one of these evangelicals got into power and declared a theocracy as they all want to do? We'd have civil war in a week. Every theist sure that only they know waht their god really wants. It'd be worse than Afghanistan or Iraq.

    January 4, 2012 at 3:56 pm |
    • SixDegrees

      How would that happen, exactly? The President is not a dictator; he can't issue binding edicts. While I never want to see anyone intent on mixing God with government, your specific concern borders on the hysterical.

      January 4, 2012 at 4:45 pm |
  19. MartinT

    Isn't it about time we focus LESS on the religion on the President and MORE on his ability to lead? I mean, come on, god, really? Makes me physically sick.

    January 4, 2012 at 3:56 pm |
  20. Sarah

    America needs a good religious president to lead us into wars, a good religious republican president to steal from the poor and give to the rich, a president who knows how to lie and lie again, a good christian republican president who understands my need to carry a killing machine under my coat at all times and of course, one who understands that although we are all created equal, we all don't have the right to healthcare. Yes, this is the kind of president Americans need today and forever more.

    January 4, 2012 at 3:54 pm |
    • cache22

      Amen (pun intended)! You nailed it!

      January 4, 2012 at 4:00 pm |
    • ashrakay

      well said.

      January 4, 2012 at 5:18 pm |
    • scott

      That is why we have Barack Obama who is a christian or is he muslim. People do not need job they need unemployment insurance, a great stimulus package. There is a whole 40 dollars a week to save housing market. Friends business cannot hire do due high unemployment insurance 60K a year that is two average salary jobs in a small 5 person business. Bush went around congress, but I (Obama) can go around congress because I know what is best for America. Lie. Many companies do not offer healthcare anymore or have asked for wavers because they would have to lay people off. Many of these companies are minimum wages jobs for "poor people" like fast food. Barack Obama wants people to stay poor so that he has votes aka gov't handout. Republicans want poor people to become self-sufficent by getting a job. I am all for a hand-up but not a hand-out.

      January 4, 2012 at 5:45 pm |
    • WDinDallas

      Good comment scott

      January 4, 2012 at 6:30 pm |
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