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January 5th, 2012
11:12 AM ET

Controversial Catholic program for gays begins in Connecticut

By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

(CNN) – The Archdiocese of Hartford, Connecticut, this month is beginning a program that ministers to gays and lesbians, CNN affiliate WFSB-TV reports.

"These are people in the Roman Catholic Church who need our care and love," Deacon Robert Pallotti, director of the Office of the Diaconate, told the Hartford TV station. "In some cases, they have been rejected by society. They need to be accepted, affirmed and supported as Roman Catholics trying to remain faithful to church teachings."

The Vatican-endorsed program, called Courage, has more than 100 national chapters, WFSB reports. According to its website, Courage was started in 1980 by the late Terence Cardinal Cooke in Manhattan "to form a spiritual support system which would assist men and women with same-sex attractions in living chaste lives in fellowship, truth and love."

Pallotti told WFSB, "Through support and spiritual intervention, we can help those with same-sex attractions live moral and fulfilling lives. These people are hurting and so are their families. Doing nothing would be a lack of compassion."

The move has not been without controversy in the archdiocese after some questioned whether the program was condoning homosexual behavior, which is contrary to the Catholic Church's teaching that sexual activity is reserved only for married heterosexual couples.

"Courage will not reduce a person's identity to their sexual desire," Pallotti told WFSB. "They are people with full human dignity not defined solely by their sexual desire."

But one gay and lesbian group in Hartford questioned the need for the group and whether the church had sought input from gays and lesbians in forming it.

"It feels offensive to us, and it feels discriminatory," Linda Estabrook, director of the Hartford Gay and Lesbian Health Collective, told WFSB.  "You're telling people not to be intimate with each other."

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Belief • Catholic Church • Christianity • Faith Now • Gay rights

soundoff (267 Responses)
  1. Obi Wan Kenobi

    How silly. Why would anyone expect gays and lesbians to do what those who pretend to be God's servants and mouthpieces on earth cannot do themselves?

    January 5, 2012 at 5:20 pm |
    • DeeCee1000

      I believe these religious leader quacks should be tried and sent to jail for malpractice.

      January 5, 2012 at 9:20 pm |
  2. Richard

    A person cannot be gay and be a christian. The bible tells us that be gay is against the law of G-d. If a christian church panders to gays, then the church is changing the law of G-d.

    January 5, 2012 at 2:55 pm |
    • Ok'yDok'y

      "A person cannot be gay and be a christian. The bible tells us that be gay is against the law of G-d. "

      Yes, there are gay christians married before god. The bible does not condemn gays as we know and understand it today. Each of the scriptures that christians use to condemn them can be shown that their interpretation of the text is incorrect.

      January 5, 2012 at 2:59 pm |
    • LinCA

      @Richard

      You said, "A person cannot be gay and be a christian. The bible tells us that be gay is against the law of G-d. If a christian church panders to gays, then the church is changing the law of G-d."
      Then by your definition, you can't be christian and a decent person.

      If your god created everyone, he also created gays. If he intentionally created people that would go against "his laws", he is a monster. Anyone worshiping this monster is a despicable human being.

      January 5, 2012 at 3:00 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      In the original Greek, the terms used in Corinthian's list of vices that are sometimes translated as "hom-ose.xual" are 'malakoi' and 'ar.senkoitai'.
      AR.SENKOTAI – Has been translated as "abusers of themselves with mankind" (KJV), "se.xual per.verts" (RSV), "sodo.mites" (NKJV, NAB, JB, NRSV), those "who are guilty of hom.ose.xual per.version" (NEB), "men who lie with males" (Lamsa), "behaves like a hom.ose.xual" (CEV), "men who have se.xual relations with other men" (NCV), and "ho.mose.xual offenders" (NIV). The New American Bible (Roman Catholic) translated ar.senokoitai as "practicing hom.ose.xuals". After much protest, the editors agreed to delete this term and replace it with "sodo.mites" in subsequent editions.
      'Ar.senokoitai' referred to male prosti.tutes for Paul and Christians until the 4th century.
      MALAKOI – Literally means "soft" or "males who are soft". This word has been translated as "ef.feminate" (KJV), "hom.ose.xuals" (NKJV), "corrupt" (Lamsa), "per.verts" (CEV), "catamites" which means call boys (JB), "those who are male prosti.tutes" (NCV), and "male prost.itutes." (NIV, NRSV). Until the Reformation in the 16th century and in Roman Catholicism until the 20th century, malakoi was thought to mean "mas.turb.ators." Only in the 20th century has it been understood as a reference to hom.ose.xuality.

      January 5, 2012 at 3:03 pm |
    • fred

      LinCA
      You said "If your god created everyone, he also created gays. If he intentionally created people that would go against "his laws", he is a monster."
      You really must stop using the Bible as a source since you find it to be trash and lies. Given your view of God and the Bible anything you say must be an inaccurate interpretation. One thing about the Bible for those that believe it to be the Word of God is that you cannot understand it unless the Holy Spirit is in you and you believe in Christ as Lord.

      January 5, 2012 at 3:14 pm |
    • fred

      Doc
      What is your point? After reading your post I was going to take two asprins and call you in the morning. Please wash your mouth out with soap before I see you, didn't your mother teach you anything!

      January 5, 2012 at 3:22 pm |
    • OhPlz

      "One thing about the Bible for those that believe it to be the Word of God is that you cannot understand it unless the Holy Spirit is in you and you believe in Christ as Lord."

      Translation you have to be mental to believe such a bogus book.

      January 5, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
    • LinCA

      @fred

      You said, "You really must stop using the Bible as a source since you find it to be trash and lies. Given your view of God and the Bible anything you say must be an inaccurate interpretation. One thing about the Bible for those that believe it to be the Word of God is that you cannot understand it unless the Holy Spirit is in you and you believe in Christ as Lord."

      It is the christian lunatics that keep bringing up the garbage from the bible. Anyone who has half a brain can see that it is full of bullshit. The fact that there isn't a single solitary shred of evidence that supports the believer's claim that their imaginary friend actually exists, should be reason enough to toss the whole thing. The value of the bible is entirely caloric.

      Don't get me wrong. I don't care what you believe. If you feel the need or urge to believe in mythical beings, go right ahead. I do care if those irrational beliefs are used to discriminate against others.

      If you truly believe that homosexual sex is against the will of your imaginary friend, you better not engage in it. But you have no right, whatsoever, to tell anyone what to do or not do.

      If you believe (like Richard above seems to) that gays can't be christian, you apparently fail to realize that anyone who believes that Jesus was special can call himself a christian. They have every right to do so. The fundies don't own the term.

      In the US, freedom of religion gives any cult or sect the right to decide who they allow to join. But just because you have that right, that doesn't make it right.

      January 5, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
    • Fookin' Prawn

      Sure, Richard. In the Dick and Jane version of it that passes as a 'translation' that you've likely been force fed from childhood.

      @fred – 'One thing about the Bible for those that believe it to be the Word of God is that you cannot understand it unless the Holy Spirit is in you'. Sure. Invoke the 'secret handshake' BS again. Whatever.

      January 5, 2012 at 3:46 pm |
    • lovinghumanbeing

      Hey idiot, please shut your ignorant mouth. God and religion is what is destroying our civilization.

      January 5, 2012 at 3:50 pm |
    • Primewonk

      Fred wrote, " You really must stop using the Bible as a source since you find it to be trash and lies. Given your view of God and the Bible anything you say must be an inaccurate interpretation. One thing about the Bible for those that believe it to be the Word of God is that you cannot understand it unless the Holy Spirit is in you and you believe in Christ as Lord."

      Ah... the old 'the bad parts of the bible don't mean what they say they mean'.

      January 5, 2012 at 4:17 pm |
    • fred

      LinCA
      You missed the point or intentionally put words in my mouth as I said nothing about Richards comment only your use of the Bible. Perhaps Richard did what you did and simply expressed his opinion.
      Although your opinion is not necessarily better or worse than mine your interpretation of the Bible is inaccurate. Your opinion that God is a monster would be correct only if one assumes your faulty interpretation as fact.

      January 5, 2012 at 4:37 pm |
    • fred

      Primework
      What Richard said is not Biblical. Yes there are "bad parts in the bible", it is a real story of a real journey of a real people and their relationship with a very real God. It was never ment to be a G rated Disney production.

      @Fookin'Prawn – Wink wink spin high five

      January 5, 2012 at 4:45 pm |
    • Quick Draw McGraw

      Dicky, your logic doesn't hold. You say "A person cannot be gay and be a christian." Well that would also be true for a liar, a thief, an adulterer, anyone who fails to show compassion, love, charity, or any of the myriad other sins that man can commit.

      On the other hand, a person CAN be gay and a Christian. Being gay is a state, just like being straight. But it is what you DO in that state that makes the difference. For the rest of the sins, there is no other state, you simply are.

      Now go and sin no more.

      January 5, 2012 at 5:27 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Ok'yDok'y, you babbled your nonsense with your post "A person cannot be gay and be a christian. The bible tells us that be gay is against the law of G-d. "

      Yes, there are gay christians married before god. The bible does not condemn gays as we know and understand it today. Each of the scriptures that christians use to condemn them can be shown that their interpretation of the text is incorrect."

      Answer: YOUR interpretations of Jesus' truth is incorrect.

      Amen.

      January 5, 2012 at 6:15 pm |
    • Ok'yDok'y

      "YOUR interpretations of Jesus' truth is incorrect."

      No YOUR interpretation is wrong which is why there are more and more gay churches and more in the christian community willing to admit they were WRONG. Your interpretation if founded in hatred and bigotry you don't know real truth because you're too full of hatred for that.

      January 5, 2012 at 6:19 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Ok'yDok'y, obviously, you have yet to read Romans 1:26-28?

      26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
      27 And likewise also the men , leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
      28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

      Amen.

      P.S. the reason why our world is a mess is because preachers teach the ways of the world, not Jesus’ truth.

      January 5, 2012 at 7:05 pm |
    • Ok'yDok'y

      "P.S. the reason why our world is a mess is because preachers teach the ways of the world, not Jesus’ truth."

      Yo moron scroll up a bit will ya in that scripture. It's christians like you that take snippets to justify your prejudice is why you don't know your christs truth idiot. It's talking about worshiping a pagan god using sex. No wonder your a pathetic excuse for a christian.

      23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

      24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

      25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

      Thanks for showing your clueless about your bible and why using snippets of text are for stupidity.

      January 5, 2012 at 7:17 pm |
    • Ok'yDok'y

      "And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge,"

      Oh H.S. realize that if a gay couple is saved that text also doesn't apply to them. Nice try idiot.

      January 5, 2012 at 7:22 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Ok'yDok'y, I do believe you are missing the subject, facts and outcome.

      Romans 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called [to be] an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

      Romans 1:2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)

      Romans 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

      Romans 1:4 And declared [to be] the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

      Romans 1:5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:

      Romans 1:6 Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:

      Romans 1:7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called [to be] saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

      Romans 1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.

      Romans 1:9 For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers;

      Romans 1:10 Making request, if by any means now at length I might have a prosperous journey by the will of God to come unto you.

      Romans 1:11 For I long to see you, that I may impart unto you some spiritual gift, to the end ye may be established;

      Romans 1:12 That is, that I may be comforted together with you by the mutual faith both of you and me.

      Romans 1:13 Now I would not have you ignorant, brethren, that oftentimes I purposed to come unto you, (but was let hitherto,) that I might have some fruit among you also, even as among other Gentiles.

      Romans 1:14 I am debtor both to the Greeks, and to the Barbarians; both to the wise, and to the unwise.

      Romans 1:15 So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.

      Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

      Romans 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

      Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

      Romans 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed [it] unto them.

      Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

      Romans 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

      Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

      Romans 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

      Romans 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

      Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

      Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

      Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

      Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

      Romans 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

      Romans 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

      Romans 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

      Romans 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

      Amen.

      January 5, 2012 at 7:43 pm |
    • LinCA

      @fred

      You said, "You missed the point or intentionally put words in my mouth as I said nothing about Richards comment only your use of the Bible. Perhaps Richard did what you did and simply expressed his opinion."
      Considering that I didn't mention the bible in the post that you replied to, but all I did was quote Richard, it was really you putting words in my mouth. But whatever. The whole bible thing is really besides the point. Regardless of where you or Richard think your god's laws are coming from, the way they are represented by Richard makes your god a monster.

      You said, "Although your opinion is not necessarily better or worse than mine your interpretation of the Bible is inaccurate. Your opinion that God is a monster would be correct only if one assumes your faulty interpretation as fact."
      I'm only calling the mass murderer described in your bible as a monster is because I can't think of anything worse. The only reason it matters is because people like Richard actually seem to worship a god that is a monster. This is evidenced by his hateful post.

      My own opinion of your god, of course, is that he is very unlikely to exist, in any form.

      January 5, 2012 at 9:02 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      We're talking eternity folks.

      Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

      Revelation 22:14

      Amen.

      January 6, 2012 at 12:20 am |
    • Ok'yDok'y

      "Ok'yDok'y, I do believe you are missing the subject, facts and outcome."

      No, you're the one that is clueless part of reading comprehension is to put it into historical context. Now do your homework on how Romans worshiped their pagan gods. You're clueless on the truths of the bible since you take everything so literally. What an idiot.

      January 6, 2012 at 10:41 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Ok'yDok'y, God created all for His pleasure. If you don't like His rules and want to twist them and contort them to conform to your view of the world. It's simple, He'll blot you out, no eternity and those that dwell with Him forever will have no memory of evil. Free will, remember? Only you can work towards what He wants. He had the Bible written of His truth. Humble yourself enough to read what He has written and stop complaining when His truth doesn't go your way.

      Amen.

      January 7, 2012 at 9:55 am |
    • Ok'yDok'y

      “Ok'yDok'y, God created all for His pleasure. If you don't like His rules and want to twist them and contort them to conform to your view of the world. It's simple, He'll blot you out, no eternity and those that dwell with Him forever will have no memory of evil. Free will, remember? Only you can work towards what He wants. He had the Bible written of His truth. Humble yourself enough to read what He has written and stop complaining when His truth doesn't go your way.”

      HeavenSent people that twist the bible like you to justify your hatred has nothing to do with your god’s truth. You will be the one blotted out, you have been shown the truth today about gay people yet you still hold prejudice in your heart. You need to get a lesson on reading comprehension and stop taking everything in the bible so literally. Your jesus also said to learn, it’s time to come into this century. Your god does NOT condemn the saved married partnership of a gay couple as we know and understand it today.

      January 9, 2012 at 3:21 pm |
  3. Portland tony

    Gays have enough stigma attached to their being. Let the church butt out. They are one of establishment to still subscribe to the notion that Gays just like an unorthodox lifestyle. Good lord....One doesn't choose to be gay. One doesn't learn to be gay. They are born gay.

    January 5, 2012 at 2:16 pm |
    • Pope John Paul the Turd

      Young Tony those are very wise words. Now please pull down you pants so I might baptize you weiner with my Hot Wet ManMouth. Amen!!

      January 5, 2012 at 2:19 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Portland tony, folks aren't born gay. Gay people choose the lifestyle by focusing their attention to the ways of the world and not focusing on Jesus to learn His truth. Sins of the flesh 101.

      Amen.

      January 5, 2012 at 6:18 pm |
    • Fookin' Prawn

      HS, we need to know how carnal they are. On a scale of 1-10, how carnal are they?

      January 5, 2012 at 6:33 pm |
    • Ok'yDok'y

      "Gay people choose the lifestyle by focusing their attention to the ways of the world and not focusing on Jesus to learn His truth."

      Your jesus doesn't condemn gay people moron, and you just proved your clueless on the subject of gay people. Time to stop being so lazy, listening to your racist preachers and learn the REAL truth.

      January 5, 2012 at 6:40 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      How would you know whether someone was born gay, HS? When did you choose to be straight?

      Oh, wait. You're an as3xual being. Never mind.

      January 5, 2012 at 6:58 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      @HeavenSent

      Really it's a choice? Well then tell me where is your psychological degrees and studies that show hom.ose.xuality is a choice and not biological in nature.

      January 5, 2012 at 7:10 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Ok'yDok'y, I wrote this in the previous post, but obviously, you never look up (to Jesus) nor have you read Romans 1:26-28?

      26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
      27 And likewise also the men , leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
      28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

      Amen.

      P.S. the reason why our world is a mess is because preachers teach the ways of the world, not Jesus’ truth.

      January 5, 2012 at 7:20 pm |
    • Ok'yDok'y

      And I wrote in a previous post oh and scroll up for the rest moron.

      "P.S. the reason why our world is a mess is because preachers teach the ways of the world, not Jesus’ truth."

      Yo moron scroll up a bit will ya. It's christians like you that take snippets to justify your prejudice is why you don't know your christs truth idiot. It's talking about worshiping a pagan god using sex. No wonder your a pathetic excuse for a christian.

      23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

      24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

      25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

      Thanks for showing your clueless about your bible and why using snippets of text are so stupid.

      January 5, 2012 at 7:26 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      So, HS, when are you going to answer?

      January 5, 2012 at 7:28 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      I guess HeavenSent isn't going to answer my post. Not surprising really seeing as how ho.mose.xuality being a choice is merely his own opinion.

      January 5, 2012 at 8:32 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      HawaiiGuest, you posted while I was having dinner with friends "@HeavenSent, Really it's a choice? Well then tell me where is your psychological degrees and studies that show hom.ose.xuality is a choice and not biological in nature."

      Simple Answer: Jesus taught His spiritual truth for free. All the degrees are on the payroll.

      Smile.

      Amen.

      January 6, 2012 at 12:31 am |
    • HeavenSent

      And by 'friends', I meant, 'my cats'.

      Amen.

      January 6, 2012 at 1:17 am |
  4. Pope John Paul the Turd

    Its no secret. We catholics bishops, cardinals, popes are all kweer buttHumpers of little boys.

    January 5, 2012 at 1:51 pm |
    • Primewonk

      I wonder why you confound being gay (which is a normal variant of orientation) and pedophilia?

      January 5, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
    • Portland tony

      AH...THE AGONY AND THE ECSTASY! IF YOU DISPUTE MY BELIEF...PLEASE ELUCIDATE!

      January 5, 2012 at 2:36 pm |
  5. Jonathan

    So, let me get this straight. People have a problem with the Church offering to help its struggling members stay true to their religion? It doesnt matter than it applies to g-ay celibate catholics. It might as well apply to straight celibate, unmarried catholics or alcoholic, theiving, and gambling catholics.

    Ho-mo se-xual relationships are considered a sin in the Catholic faith. So is adultery, fornication, stealing, murder, etc, etc. There is nothing ANYONE can do to change the tenents of that faith and the sooner people realize it, the easier this will get. Ultimately, if you don't like it, you will have to ki-ll us all. We won't go away.

    January 5, 2012 at 1:48 pm |
    • Really?

      "Ho-mo se-xual relationships are considered a sin in the Catholic faith."

      Just realize that there are gays who are married that are christians, attend church and are accepted by their churches. There are many churches, priests, nuns, pastors, rabbis, etc...that have stated that being in a loving gay relationship is not a sin. Some priests and clergy have also issued apology letters to the gay community for spreading hate and lies about them. Even your pope changed his mind and stated that just being gay is not a sin. It’s only a matter of time before things will change because the bible doesn't really condemn the saved loving gay relationship as people know and understand it today. It’s time to come out of the dark ages and recognize the truth about human sexuality

      January 5, 2012 at 1:56 pm |
    • Jonathan

      Not all Christian will abandon their faith and compromise to sin. My previous comment about having to ki-ll us all still stands. And I am not Catholic. He is not my pope.

      January 5, 2012 at 2:19 pm |
    • Primewonk

      " There is nothing ANYONE can do to change the tenents of that faith and the sooner people realize it, the easier this will get."

      The tenets of the catholic faith today would be unrecognizable to a catholic from 875 CE.

      Beliefs do change as cultures evolve. Unfortunately, some of you are evolving much slower than the rest of us.

      January 5, 2012 at 2:21 pm |
    • Pope John Paul the Turd

      Jonathon, my dear child. Come into my quarters and let me minster to you. Bend over and I will fill you with the Holy ManGravy. Amen.

      January 5, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
    • Really?

      "Not all Christian will abandon their faith and compromise to sin. "

      Don't you just love how christians like to pick and choose their sins. LOL! Look around your church Jonathan you will see greed (their houses, cars, clothes, etc) , adultery (the divorced), gluttony (the overweight and obese, those that don't help the needy) etc..etc.. You have already abandoned your faith and compromised to sin except you need to justify your prejudice and bigotry towards gays.

      January 5, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Jesus said,

      Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

      Matthew 7:13

      Amen.

      January 5, 2012 at 6:24 pm |
    • Fookin' Prawn

      @HS – we heard that one already. We need a new one.

      Carnal.

      January 5, 2012 at 6:31 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      The "strait gate"? Is that like the "Strait of Hormuz"?

      What a moron you are, HS.

      January 5, 2012 at 6:59 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      all who behave unrighteously are an abomination to the Lord.

      Deuteronomy 25:16

      Amen.

      January 6, 2012 at 12:40 am |
    • Smite Them

      Heaven Sent,

      Take your Deuteronomy Book and shove it. It is nothing.

      January 6, 2012 at 12:48 am |
    • HeavenSent

      The boastful shall not stand in Your sight; You hate all workers of iniquity. You shall destroy those who speak falsehood; the Lord abhors the bloodthirsty and deceitful man.

      Psalm 5:5-6

      Amen.

      January 7, 2012 at 10:03 am |
  6. Sockeyerama

    These Catholics are always in the process of trying to repair very bad mistakes very badly.
    Kind of reminds me of the guy who apologizes for cussing, but can't get through the apology without cussing even more.
    Maybe they should just stop, kick back and score a little celibacy tonight.

    January 5, 2012 at 1:34 pm |
  7. David Johnson

    Guys!

    Just don't attend the church. I play cards with a gay couple, most Friday nights. They are warm and funny. If they stopped being my friend, I would be sad. Even my wife likes them. She says they are well mannered. My other 3 poker buddies are straight. She thinks they are pigs, like me.

    Gays are born gay. Prayer and fasting will not "fix" them. Why not just accept them for who they are? They give so much to society.

    Evangelicals are not Christians.

    Cheers!

    January 5, 2012 at 1:28 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      David, what people do on earth matters if they want to spend eternity with Jesus. Free will. God gave us all free will. If people don't care about eternity with Jesus, then they'll be blotted out. Not one will remember. I have gay friends and we have truthful discussions about what God expects, not lies to stroke everyone's egos down on earth.

      Amen.

      January 6, 2012 at 12:45 am |
    • HeavenSent

      And by 'egos', I mean 'peens'.

      Amen.

      January 6, 2012 at 1:20 am |
    • Ok'yDok'y

      "have gay friends and we have truthful discussions about what God expects, not lies to stroke everyone's egos down on earth."

      You shouldn't be having those discussions since you're clueless on the REAL truth. You're the one with the ego problem moron.

      January 6, 2012 at 10:43 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Ok'yDok'y, keep practicing the ways of the Talmud and see how the gates of heaven won't be opened for you.

      Amen.

      January 7, 2012 at 10:06 am |
    • Ok'yDok'y

      "Ok'yDok'y, keep practicing the ways of the Talmud and see how the gates of heaven won't be opened for you."

      You will be the one blotted out because of your hatred and prejudice.

      January 9, 2012 at 3:23 pm |
  8. hippypoet

    so this is a group for gays folks to go and get told that there desires go against the teachings of the church and if they keep at it they will spend the rest of the time in hell... but if they just stop doing that terrible deed then all is well.... maybe i'm confused here but shouldn't the church first deal with the shepards (priests) who fail to follow the teachings then deal with its sheep. I come on, all anyone hears now a days is how another priest has touched someone – and they toss this shat out... sorry, but i have seen some pretty obvious diversions in my time but this is just bad – equal to a 2nd graders attempt at not getting in trouble after getting caught. just sad, and whats worse is the public are so easily diverted that they go with it without question....sickening!

    January 5, 2012 at 1:10 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      hippypoet, what makes anyone think the Catholic Church will teach any folks Jesus' truth!

      Amen.

      January 5, 2012 at 6:27 pm |
  9. llɐq ʎʞɔnq

    They need to be accepted, affirmed and supported as Roman Catholics trying to remain faithful to church teachings."
    --The thing is, the resolution of this cognitive dissonance can NEVER be resolved. If one has as a basis for one's philosophical underpinnings, a basically late Classical, early Medieval philosophical system, where morality is based on the Socratic/Platonic/Thomistic concept of "Natural Law", (which is, and was, ignorant of advances in science in the fields of Endocrinology, Psychology, Embryology, and Biology), as well as the simple knowledge that ALL species on the planet exhibit same se'x behaviors, (thus making it as "natural" as breathing), as well as the knowledge that everyone's se'xual behaviors exist on a "Bell Curve" over a range of behaviors, then one can NEVER accept gay people as fully human because doing so, would be to pull out a fundamental card, from their philosophical and theological "house of cards". "Fixing gays" has been attempted many times before, and it's been proven to be ineffective. It just causes pain, and delays the inevitable return to their "authentic" selves. It is not a "moral" issue, except in the sense that what is ultimately "moral", is what is or the path to one's authentic self. (And indeed, in that sense the church is actually promoting "immorality", by pursing this deluded path). Do they really think that by denying them their se'xuality, they are "accepting and affirming" them ? Give me a break. It's simply delusional. But I guess if they just accepted Galileo's discoveries, it's a little early to be expecting anything here. :twisted:

    January 5, 2012 at 12:58 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Babble on, but Jesus said,

      Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

      Amen.

      January 5, 2012 at 6:28 pm |
    • Kent

      "Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: "

      Prove Jesus actually said that, oh that's right it was written long after he was dead.

      January 5, 2012 at 6:29 pm |
    • Fookin' Prawn

      Hey, HS, is it carnal? Is it really, really carnal?

      January 5, 2012 at 6:30 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      Do you believe that Socrates existed Kent?
      Just curious.

      January 5, 2012 at 6:30 pm |
    • Kent

      "Just curious."

      No, you're not, you want to play games, nothing more. When your interested in a real debate let me know when you turn 18.

      January 5, 2012 at 6:52 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Uncouth Swain got served.

      January 5, 2012 at 7:00 pm |
    • Timmy never really read the Bible

      So HorseSh1t,
      All you can do is repeat your little lines. How about refuting even one thing he said ?
      Amen.

      January 5, 2012 at 11:15 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Kent, why don't you prove that you will be spending time with Jesus through eternity when you neither believe, nor follow His truth. It amazes me that you'll believe the liars of this world that care less about your soul, but when Christians that actually read His truth tell you what He wants, you go into circular arguments that proves that you can talk/type but does nothing for loving and following Jesus.

      Hey, it's His ball park. His rules. You don't like it, take your bat and ball and no eternity for you.

      Amen.

      January 6, 2012 at 12:27 am |
    • Kent

      "It amazes me that you'll believe the liars of this world that care less about your soul, but when Christians that actually read His truth tell you what He wants, you go into circular arguments that proves that you can talk/type but does nothing for loving and following Jesus."

      H.S. the problem with people as gullible as you is you don't bother researching to know that your jesus didn't write anything, the fact it was written 50 – 100 years after he died makes it hearsay and not the truth. You tried to submit something in a court based on hearsay your case would be thrown out. The fact you are judging others on that hearsay believing your god said those this is hysterical. Plus when you factor in all the similarities to other pagan religions of that time period your case goes up in smoke. You are farce, now go take your meds.

      January 6, 2012 at 10:51 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Kent, you babbled ""It amazes me that you'll believe the liars of this world that care less about your soul, but when Christians that actually read His truth tell you what He wants, you go into circular arguments that proves that you can talk/type but does nothing for loving and following Jesus."

      H.S. the problem with people as gullible as you is you don't bother researching to know that your jesus didn't write anything, the fact it was written 50 – 100 years after he died makes it hearsay and not the truth. You tried to submit something in a court based on hearsay your case would be thrown out. The fact you are judging others on that hearsay believing your god said those this is hysterical. Plus when you factor in all the similarities to other pagan religions of that time period your case goes up in smoke. You are farce, now go take your meds."

      Answer: Stay Lazy Kent and jump through the hoops for the others that teach you to hate Jesus' truth. The Bible was written by Holy men, chosen by the Holy Spirit (that means God too) to scribe His truth. Staying Lazy Kent, you need to research who Cain and Abel were. Who killed who. Who was the son of satan (aka Lucifer). Who's children and children's children ensured phony religions were created, taking 95% of Jesus' truth, adding 5% of satan's lies to cause doubt to the children of God about the truth that he had penned. Doubting His truth worked for you. Didn't it? If anyone is a farce, look in the mirror. While you're looking, find out why you are so lazy that you'll buy into satan's lies that will send you to the other side of the divide when you leave this earth. Free will and you're blowing it buddy.

      Amen.

      January 7, 2012 at 10:17 am |
    • Kent

      “Stay Lazy Kent and jump through the hoops for the others that teach you to hate Jesus' truth. The Bible was written by Holy men, chosen by the Holy Spirit (that means God too) to scribe His truth. Staying Lazy Kent, you need to research who Cain and Abel were. Who killed who. Who was the son of satan (aka Lucifer). Who's children and children's children ensured phony religions were created, taking 95% of Jesus' truth, adding 5% of satan's lies to cause doubt to the children of God about the truth that he had penned. Doubting His truth worked for you. Didn't it? If anyone is a farce, look in the mirror. While you're looking, find out why you are so lazy that you'll buy into satan's lies that will send you to the other side of the divide when you leave this earth. Free will and you're blowing it buddy.”

      The one buying into satans lies is you, you are spreading hatred, intolerance while passing judgment on others. You’re such a phony Christian you can’t see it. Keep spreading the lies HS, we all look forward to knowing you will burn for eternity because of the stupidity you continue to show on this blog.

      January 9, 2012 at 3:27 pm |
  10. Willy Waanker

    I use my right hand all the time. Many times a day. I am glad to find that I am honoring God as I use it.

    January 5, 2012 at 12:45 pm |
    • DeeCee1000

      I'm left handed. . . .which means I came from the devil.

      January 5, 2012 at 9:07 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      That's carnal.

      Amen.

      January 6, 2012 at 1:23 am |
    • ...

      "That's carnal."

      So you lied again when you said you don't comment on these types of posts.

      January 6, 2012 at 10:52 am |
    • HeavenSent

      ..., you posted really quick to the phony heavensent "that's carnal."

      So you lied again when you said you don't comment on these types of posts."

      Answer: You non-believers do anything to write under my handle then answer your own post (LOL).

      Amen.

      January 7, 2012 at 10:24 am |
  11. Reality

    o "Abrahamics" believe that their god created all of us and of course that includes the g-ay members of the human race. Also, those who have studied ho-mo-se-xuality have determined that there is no choice involved therefore ga-ys are ga-y because god made them that way.

    To wit:

    o The Royal College of Psy-chiatrists stated in 2007:

    “ Despite almost a century of psy-choanalytic and psy-chological speculation, there is no substantive evidence to support the suggestion that the nature of parenting or early childhood experiences play any role in the formation of a person’s fundamental heteros-exual or hom-ose-xual orientation. It would appear that s-exual orientation is biological in nature, determined by a complex interplay of ge-netic factors and the early ut-erine environment. Se-xual orientation is therefore not a choice.[60] "

    "Garcia-Falgueras and Swaab state in the abstract of their 2010 study, "The fe-tal brain develops during the intraut-erine period in the male direction through a direct action of tes-tosterone on the developing nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hor-mone surge. In this way, our gender identi-ty (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) and s-exual orientation are programmed or organized into our brain structures when we are still in the womb. There is no indication that social environment after birth has an effect on gender ident–ity or s-exual orientation."[8

    See also the Philadelphia Inquirer review “Gay Gene, Deconstructed”, 12/12/2011. Said review addresses the following “How do genes associated with ho-mose-xuality avoid being weeded out by Darwinian evolution?”

    Of course, those gays who belong to Abrahamic religions abide by the rules of no adu-ltery or for-nication allowed.

    And because of basic biology differences said monogamous ventures should always be called same-se-x unions not same-se-x marriages.

    January 5, 2012 at 12:19 pm |
    • Primewonk

      So gay folks can get "married", they just can't call it marriage?

      That makes as much sense as saying black people can "dance", they just have to call it something different.

      January 5, 2012 at 12:44 pm |
    • Reality

      From below, on top, backwards, forwards, from this side of the Moon and from the other side too, gay se-xual activity is still mutual mas-turbation caused by one or more complex se-xual differences. Some differences are visually obvious in for example the complex maleness of DeGeneres, Billy Jean King and Rosie O'Donnell.

      Yes, heteros-exuals practice many of the same "moves" but there is never a doubt who is the female and who is the male.

      January 5, 2012 at 3:46 pm |
    • Primewonk

      We were discussing marriage. Why did you move the goalposts?

      January 5, 2012 at 4:10 pm |
    • Reality

      The goalposts were not moved. The game was simply discussed in greater detail.

      January 6, 2012 at 12:01 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Reality, did you know about this scripture?

      The Lord has made all for Himself, yes, even the wicked for the day of doom.

      Proverbs 16:4

      If so, I'd be asking Jesus for forgiveness for my sins that I knew about and sins that seemed natural because Jesus haters of this world ensure everyone sins and all get blotted out for eternity ... not knowing righteous from unrighteous. Then of course, sin no more. Sin again because of the weakness of the flesh, ... ask Him again for forgiveness and that He show you the way into His light. Of course, sin no more.

      Amen.

      January 6, 2012 at 12:56 am |
  12. Chuck Anziulewicz

    With any luck many of the men who attend these meeting will end up falling in love and dating other participants.

    January 5, 2012 at 12:19 pm |
    • DeeCee1000

      Happens every time.

      January 5, 2012 at 9:09 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Chuck, Jesus warned,

      And I say to you, My friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear Him who, after He has killed, has power to cast into hell; yes, I say to you, fear Him!

      Luke 12:4-5

      Amen.

      January 6, 2012 at 1:00 am |
    • OhPlz

      "But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear Him who, after He has killed, has power to cast into hell; yes, I say to you, fear Him! "

      Your god is a monster that rules you through fear, that is not love. DUH!

      January 6, 2012 at 10:54 am |
    • HeavenSent

      OhPlz, God created All. You don't like what He's done, take your bat and ball and go get blotted out for eternity. Free will remember. You can love and follow satan's lies all you want. Jesus will ensure you pay the consequences for being a putz.

      Amen.

      January 7, 2012 at 10:28 am |
    • Eric G

      @HeavenSent: Happy New Year!

      "God created all" is a statement of fact that must be supported by verifiable evidence. As we have established many times, the claims you make in your post cannot be taken seriously if they are not supported by evidence.

      First, you need to provide your evidence that your god exists. Only after establishing existence as fact can you form a hypothesis regarding the actions of that god.

      Or, you can be honest and admit that you do not know, but only hope that you are correct in your as-sumptions about the existence of your god.

      Be well.

      January 7, 2012 at 10:36 am |
  13. Primewonk

    Do you know what we call a celibate gay person? Gay.

    Just like we call a celibate straight person straight.

    What the church is doing is like telling left-handed folks they shouldn't use their left hands. They aren't telling the folks they have to use their right hands, no – just make sure you don't use the left one. Sorry, but these folks will still be left handed.

    January 5, 2012 at 11:47 am |
    • Rarebit

      Maybe they'd like us to punch them in the face with our left hands. Yeah. Maybe that's what they're getting at.

      January 5, 2012 at 11:53 am |
    • wat

      wat

      January 5, 2012 at 11:54 am |
    • Roy Harold Scherer, Jr.

      You of course know the the Catholic Church DID try to force left-handed students be right-handed until very recently. The nuns enforced it with corporal violence. Because God is love and understanding.

      January 5, 2012 at 11:56 am |
    • Primewonk

      It was't just the Nuns. I had a friend who was in elementary school in the late 50's early 60's. He was left handed. Had his left hand wacked plenty of times in public school. The went so far as to tie his left hand to his leg to stop him from using it.

      January 5, 2012 at 12:03 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      o GOD HATES LEFT HANDED PEOPLE
      You have a choice not to act on your wicked left-handedness and live a godly life!
      "A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left."
      - Ecclesiastes 10:2
      "The right hand of the lord doeth valiantly, the right hand of the lord is exalted."
      – Psalm 118 vv15,16
      Those of us who know and follow the true word of Christ will be laughing from up in heaven while you lefties fry forever.
      Better start using that right hand before Judgement day or you'll be sorry!

      January 5, 2012 at 12:40 pm |
    • Willy Waanker

      I use my right hand all the time. Many times a day. I am glad to find that I am honoring God as I use it again and again.

      January 5, 2012 at 12:46 pm |
    • Primewonk

      It isn't just Catholics, or even all Christian churches. Left-handed orthox Muslims are forbidden to eat using their left hands.

      January 5, 2012 at 1:17 pm |
    • CT

      The difference being that there is nothing wrong with using your left hand.

      January 5, 2012 at 5:57 pm |
    • Fookin' Prawn

      @CT – but the bible indicates there IS. Therefore, it's wrong. That's the logic we're using.

      January 5, 2012 at 6:36 pm |
    • DeeCee1000

      I'm left handed which means I came from the devil. No. . .It's quite alright. . .I've accepted it and living with it really. I came from the devil. There's nothing to argue. that's just the way it is. Some people are born right-handed and don't come from the devil. . .and the rest of us left handed ones are devil spawn. . . That's just how it is.

      January 5, 2012 at 9:12 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast [it] from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not [that] thy whole body should be cast into hell.

      Matthew 5:30 means, if a member of the church refuses to stop their sinful ways, the elders of the church have the right to throw the sinner out of the congregation.

      Amen.

      January 6, 2012 at 1:08 am |
    • HeavenSent

      btw, I googled 'bible verses involving right hand' to find that gem. Because that's how I roll.

      Amen.

      January 6, 2012 at 1:25 am |
    • HeavenSent

      I love how non-believers prove themselves to be cowards when they steal my handle to post their babble.

      Keep your nonsense up. You prove Jesus' truth.

      Amen.

      January 7, 2012 at 10:31 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Just for the record, I never use google.

      Amen.

      January 7, 2012 at 10:32 am |
  14. Chris Vogel

    Like most things the Roman church does, this is just silly, based on their unique combination of ridiculous fabrication, malice, vanity, and wilful ignorance. Participants in the program, though, should be particularly wary of campouts with weenie roasts. Roman Catholics lighting bonfires can be dangerous.

    January 5, 2012 at 11:44 am |
  15. derp

    They will use this programs to weed out the ga ys from the pe do philes. Then they will make the pe do philes into priests.

    January 5, 2012 at 11:41 am |
  16. EBilly

    Anyone who continues to be a Catholic after all the horrible things in the news, should be pitied. They are truly demented.

    January 5, 2012 at 11:39 am |
    • CT

      Why? Do the sins of individuals have any bearing on what the Church actually teaches?

      Also, I fail to see how helping people be true to their faith is something "horrible."

      January 5, 2012 at 6:01 pm |
  17. ASfour

    Why can't those people understand this is a country with personal freedoms, rights, and liberties that all have nothing to do with Jesus or the Bible?
    Catholics seek to violate our rights! How dare they insert their distorted and filthy ideas of hate and guilt into our personal lives!

    January 5, 2012 at 11:32 am |
    • Guest

      Hey d u m b a s s, you don't have to go if you disagree with it. No one is forcing it on you.

      January 5, 2012 at 11:44 am |
    • ASfour

      You must be a dumb-ass to think that Catholics haven't been shoving their filthy religion into our lives for the past 200 yrs!
      They are deliberately fostering suffering and mental illness. They should be stopped. They are insane.

      January 5, 2012 at 12:01 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Paul wrote,

      For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh. For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ.

      2 Corinthians 10:3-5

      Amen.

      January 5, 2012 at 6:44 pm |
    • Kent

      "Paul wrote,"

      No he didn't.

      January 5, 2012 at 6:47 pm |
    • Fookin' Prawn

      HeavenSent, I think you should tell the gays how you feel. Invite them all over to your house for some CARNAL ASADA.

      January 5, 2012 at 6:59 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      With a side of Ego Waffles!

      January 5, 2012 at 7:29 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Joke all you want while living on this earth. Let me see you joke your way around God when your spirit goes back to Him who created ALL. It's your souls Christians care about. As does God.

      Amen.

      January 6, 2012 at 1:12 am |
    • HeavenSent

      And by 'souls', I mean 'little boys.'

      Amen.

      January 6, 2012 at 1:28 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Fookin' Prawn and the phony heavensent. I have many gay friends and thank you Jesus, that the two of you aren't one of them.

      Amen.

      January 7, 2012 at 10:41 am |
  18. J.W

    I wish the article went into more detail about what the program does. Is it trying to fix gay people? Or is it accepting gay people and making them a part of the church?

    January 5, 2012 at 11:25 am |
    • Chuckles

      Agreed

      When I was first reading the article I thought to myself, "This is one of the things JW, Damian and I discussed not too long ago, an legit effort to combat LGBT hate and actually embrace them in the new millenium" until I reached the end where the church is still getting condemed which makes me wonder, is this program a lot more malignant than I thought and what exactly is it?

      January 5, 2012 at 11:41 am |
    • J.W

      I would be for it if it were meant to combat the negative view of gays within the church, and to educate others within the church about LGBT issues. But I am suspi.cious that it is more of an effort to convert gays into being straight, or to tell them their behavior is not normal, or to tell them they should not have relationships, etc.

      January 5, 2012 at 11:46 am |
    • I'm The Best!

      From what I gathered its accepting them but trying to make them live a chaste lifestyle.

      January 5, 2012 at 11:46 am |
    • OhPlz

      If you use the links provide they are anti-gay so basically they didn't get the message from all the major world organizations about how dangerous and WRONG it's to try and change a gay person.

      January 5, 2012 at 11:54 am |
    • Chuckles

      That really is a shame, but as mentioned, seems pretty on par with the church. Still trying to stick to it's old, outdated ways while appearing to "update" themselves by repackaging a message and making it mroe palatable. This is really going to have to happen as a ground up sort of deal, except that unlike in the US or other democracies where the people have the right to enforce laws locally and work towards sweeping reforms from both directions, as long as the vatican holds the keys to heaven and hell, only the pope can allow ho.mos.exuality to become ok. I guess there could be some sort of revolt and mass excommunication, but something tells me that woulnd't really happen.

      January 5, 2012 at 11:59 am |
    • Roy Harold Scherer, Jr.

      The article clearly states that the point of the program is to teach GLBT's to be celibate. Got that? Just stop being gay. Talk about treating GLBTs as inferior and defective, instead of as human beings! The Catholic church is once again trying to oppress people.

      I bet they use such intelligent strategies as "pray away the gay."

      I wonder what GLBT would be confused enough to actually participate in this sick "program"? I bet their entire enrollment is about four, who were forced to go by wildly deluded families.

      January 5, 2012 at 12:03 pm |
    • J.W

      I read the one by MD James Oneill. I love the part about how promiscuous gay men, but how straight men never engage in that kind of behavior. I have a little trouble believing that he has done any research.

      January 5, 2012 at 12:10 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

      Revelation 20:10

      Amen.

      January 5, 2012 at 6:50 pm |
    • .......

      "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. "

      Babble, Babble, Babble, Babble, signifying nothing. Your carnal arrogant mind is getting the best of you.

      January 5, 2012 at 7:02 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      J.W. No one can fix anyone. Only the person that is sinning can ask Jesus for help. I would think the church would finally tell folks what sin is and why it matters to God that we don't sin.

      For those that think this is a joke, go about your business and just try to reside with Jesus for eternity on your own without doing what He asks.

      Amen.

      January 6, 2012 at 1:16 am |
    • HeavenSent

      And by 'tell folks what sin is', I mean 'fck a duck'.

      Amen.

      January 6, 2012 at 1:33 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Phony heavensent, you do have issues to deal with.

      Amen.

      January 7, 2012 at 10:43 am |
    • No

      "Phony heavensent, you do have issues to deal with."

      All the Heavensents have mental issues to deal with.

      January 9, 2012 at 3:30 pm |
  19. Samuel Scrumpwell

    This could result in signifcant santorum shortages.

    January 5, 2012 at 11:21 am |
  20. Bob

    The Catholic "program for gays" is another term for how their priests are trained. Just look at the results.

    January 5, 2012 at 11:21 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Hosea 6:7 But they like men have transgressed the covenant: there have they dealt treacherously against me.

      Hosea 6:8 Gilead [is] a city of them that work iniquity, [and is] polluted with blood.

      Hosea 6:9 And as troops of robbers wait for a man, [so] the company of priests murder in the way by consent: for they commit lewdness.

      Hosea 6:10 I have seen an horrible thing in the house of Israel: there [is] the wh-o-r-e-dom of Ephraim, Israel is defiled.

      Hosea 6:11 Also, O Judah, he hath set an harvest for thee, when I returned the captivity of my people.

      Amen.

      January 5, 2012 at 6:59 pm |
    • .......

      Bob,

      Heaven Sent is using her bible study websites again to copy and paste without understanding anything she posts. It's hysterical. Babble, Babble, Babble, Babble, signifying nothing.

      January 5, 2012 at 7:01 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Phony ......., you're the one confused. Keep joking while He blotts you out. No eternity for you if you don't repent for your sinful ways and sin no more.

      Too much for you to comprehend? Too bad. You loose.

      Amen.

      January 6, 2012 at 1:21 am |
    • Mr. Hat

      @HeavenSent
      ...... is loose?

      January 6, 2012 at 1:25 am |
    • HeavenSent

      By loose, I mean, like my orifices.

      Amen.

      January 6, 2012 at 1:38 am |
    • ......

      "@HeavenSent
      ...... is loose?"

      It's why she doesn't post in her own opinion, she isn't well educated, that's why she has too look up bible verses on bible study websites. She's too lazy to actually try to find it in her own bible, plus she really wouldn't know where to look.

      January 6, 2012 at 10:57 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Actually, it's easier to copy and paste His scriptures and post them here to allow you fools to read His truth for yourselves. Besides, Christians are instructed to provide His truth to everyone. What better way, then allowing the reader to view the actual scripture?

      Amen.

      January 7, 2012 at 10:48 am |
    • HeavenSent

      ......, still whining I see with you post ""@HeavenSent
      ...... is loose?"

      It's why she doesn't post in her own opinion, she isn't well educated, that's why she has too look up bible verses on bible study websites. She's too lazy to actually try to find it in her own bible, plus she really wouldn't know where to look."

      Answer: Jesus' truth bothers you? Good. No matter how obnoxious you get, I care less, I'll cut and paste even more scriptures of His truth. I'm not playing your game to wipe Jesus' truth from the planet.

      Amen.

      January 9, 2012 at 5:23 am |
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