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January 6th, 2012
11:22 AM ET

Santorum and South Carolina

(CNN)– Rick Santorum surged in Iowa but now he has to convince GOP voters in the evangelical heavy South Carolina primary he can win and experts say he can't win on faith alone.  CNN's David Mattingly reports.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Belief • Church and state • South Carolina • United States

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  1. George

    As an Evangelical, I fully support Mr. Santorum. He may be a Catholic, but he knows what issues are important to conservative Christians, and I have no doubt that he is the candidate most likely to put America on the road back to God. I was so happy for his strong showing in Iowa, and I would be glad to work tirelessly to get him elected. He is head and shoulders above Romney who is masquerading as a conservative but is really just another New England liberal.

    January 7, 2012 at 1:56 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      Obama 2012!

      January 7, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
    • George

      You've had Obama for the last three years. How's that working out for you? This country is in the moral sewer, and Obama is helping to put it there. We need someone who will get America back to God.

      January 7, 2012 at 2:49 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      There is no God, therefore what you are saying is impossible, therefore I must disagree based on reality.

      January 7, 2012 at 4:17 pm |
    • Real America

      I'm not sure how Santorum can bring America back to God. I suppose he could try to lead by example, but the majority of Americans would probably prefer to live their lives their own way as they always have.

      January 7, 2012 at 4:23 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Actually, it's working out fine. The economy is improving. DADT is gone. The wars are essentially over. I don't care to have some nut-job fundie in the Oval Office again. Look where it got us when we tried it before. No thanks. I prefer to keep my rights under the Const it ution and keep religion out of office.

      George can leave if he's not happy with that.

      January 7, 2012 at 11:12 pm |
    • MacMaven

      Get America back to God? How about getting yourself back to whatever it is you choose, and quit trying to decide morality for everyone else. IMO, Catholicism is extremely corrupt, and not a sect of religion I or my family will ever follow. My views are certainly not the minority, so the good news is that a Santorum nomination will guarantee another 4 years for Obama.

      January 8, 2012 at 10:14 am |
    • OhPlz

      Oh, George so the fact he was on the list of "Most Corrupt Members of Congress" for both 2005 and 2006 shows just how gullible you are because you'll believe anything that's why you're a christian. LOL!

      January 8, 2012 at 10:58 am |
  2. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things
    Seek God while He can be found
    Pray without ceasing in 2012
    Find the value in life with prayer

    January 7, 2012 at 5:42 am |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      I know that “Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things“ never replies to anyone (rude) but none the less, I am compelled from boredom to ask a few questions. If it suits you praybie, please reply.

      1. When you say that Atheism in not healthy for children AND other living things, does that mean that children must be present for Atheism to be unhealthy? If there are no children, is Atheism healthy for other living things? Also, is this a mental or physical health issue you are concerned about, and where did you find this information? I assume then that all creatures on all worlds, if they exist, are also adversely affected by Atheism, correct? Even if per chance they worship some other God besides the one you may or may not be referring to. You never actually state that religion is healthy, just prayer. Therefore, can you kindly explain what God is requiring this prayer so that we can all direct our prayers to the correct God?

      2. Prayer changes things

      Ok. The obvious question is what things does it change. Does it change things for the better or for the worse? Are you leading us down a blind alley here? Knowing what things it changes would be useful for those of us not familiar with the inherent value of prayer.

      3. The wonder of God is revealed in the discourse of prayer.

      Ok. By discourse are you claiming that we should all being have a conversation with God? Does God talk to you? If it is so easy, why doesn’t he just have town hall meetings and tell us what he wants, or ask us what we want. Or give us his email address. I prefer texting and email. When you say the “wonder” of god, do you mean you can see him, or feel him or what? I don’t get it. Did he touch you inappropriately? Tell the police, don’t let it go.

      4. Prayer is the life blood of the repentant sinner

      Are you a vampire? I knew there was some dark lord s.h.i.t going on here. Isn’t blood the life blood? How does one convert prayer to blood and then how does that circulate in our bodies exactly? Or do the prayers actually live in our circulatory systems? Now that would be weird. Please let us all know. What if we are not sinners? If I am a sinner and repent, why do I have to keep praying? What is the point of repenting and then having to keep doing the whole friggin’ thing all over again day in and day out?

      5. Prayer really changes things

      When you add “really” to the sentence, does that mean that you weren’t as sure earlier but now you feel more confident in prayer? Did it not “really” change things in your first line? Are you just teasing us? Prayer might just change things…..ok just kidding, it REALLY changes things, just playing around a little, my bad.

      Can’t wait to hear what you have to say on this.

      Oh one last thing, when you say to pray ceaselessly in 2012 umm….are you serious about that? When I am sleeping? When I am fuk'n, when am working… I mean I have to constantly pray? How can I keep my job? Please clarify, this just seems dam unreasonable to me.

      January 7, 2012 at 6:04 am |
    • A Little Help

      Actually, "Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things" is a take-off from an old (1966) Vietnam era poster slogan: "War is Not Healthy for Children and Other Living Things".

      January 7, 2012 at 9:35 am |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      Well I feel much better now. Thank you.

      January 7, 2012 at 2:24 pm |
    • just sayin

      atheism and war are extremely compatible

      January 7, 2012 at 2:48 pm |
    • Answer

      Religion just brings wars and killings.

      This guy "praying" is just a flake and insane to go daily with his tripe about prayers. Fanatic.

      January 7, 2012 at 9:22 pm |
    • An inconvenient truth

      War murder and all vileness have been the domain of those without God since the dawn of time. The deceitful atheist will "use" the name of God to wage his wars but in his atheistic heart he is the final authority and has no belief but his own supremacy. Stalin as an atheist communist killed millions of his own people to "secure " his rule.

      January 8, 2012 at 7:54 am |
    • MacMaven

      One mention of Santorum and the religious freaks flood out by the single digits. It's a good thing that that corrupt religious sect Catholicism is reaching its demise.

      January 8, 2012 at 10:20 am |
    • Spinner49

      Actually, atheism and war are less compatible than religion and war. Without a nebulous "righteous cause" war can only be fought for pragmatic reasons. They are fewer and farther between than you might realize, require a higher standard of proof, and harder to argue than whipping up the public with righteous causes. Invading Iraq was part of a "crusade" against terrorism. Without Pres. Bush's faith, we probably wouldn't have gone in.

      January 8, 2012 at 1:55 pm |
  3. The Central Scrutinizer

    Chrism

    Your thinly-veiled attempt at reconciliation aside, I wrote Timmy a poem because I know how much he enjoys my poetry. I don't see what this has to do with you. You seem rather self-important and no I don't want to proceed down a path of comparative religion dialogue as what I have read from you so far does not suggest you would have much insight and it is all old news anyway. We need more discussion about eggs and less prayer.

    January 7, 2012 at 4:36 am |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      P.S. I have elected not to crush you. I realized that would not be practical. I can't promise not to be rude though. You have to earn that.

      January 7, 2012 at 4:44 am |
    • Sockra

      Walking on eggshells....is that something you really want to be doing? FINISH HIM!!!

      January 8, 2012 at 8:17 am |
  4. Bo

    In his sinless state, [in the garden of eden] man held joyful communion with Him "in whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge." Colossians 2:3. But after his sin, he could no longer find joy in holiness, and he sought to hide from the presence of God. Such is still the condition of the un-renewed heart. It is not in harmony with God, and finds no joy in communion with Him. The sinner could not be happy in God's presence; he would shrink from the companionship of holy beings. Could he be permitted to enter heaven, it would have no joy for him. The spirit of unselfish love that reigns there –every heart responding to the heart of Infinite Love –would touch no answering chord in his soul. His thoughts, his interests, his motives, would be alien to those that actuate the sinless dwellers there. He would be a discordant note in the melody of heaven. Heaven would be to him a place of torture; he would long to be hidden from Him who is its light, and the center of its joy. It is no arbitrary decree on the part of God that excludes the wicked from heaven; they are shut out by their own unfitness for its companionship. The glory of God would be to them a consuming fire. They would welcome destruction, that they might be hidden from the face of Him who died to redeem them.

    January 7, 2012 at 2:44 am |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      Bo, sorry I nodded off. Were you saying something about my toasty buns? (If I wanted to hear a b.o.o.b recite scriptiure, I would go to a church.....yeah right, sorry it must be late. I would not go to church, I would go to Hollywood and Vine)

      January 7, 2012 at 4:52 am |
    • Bo

      @TCS: I don’t think that I addressed anyone in particular. I lived in So Cal and I have been to “Hollywood and Vine” many times during the day, it may be a little financially depressed, but–a common everyday place, nothing special.
      One time evening on a summer night I took my girlfriend on a drive, she wanted to go to “Hollywood and Vine”, she had never been there, (day or night) nor had I after dark, and I never want to do it again. Bumper to bumper traffic; with no place to park, it took me more than an hour to go a few blocks, nor I did not appreciate the crazes climbing over my car. If that,s your cup of “tea”, have at it.

      January 7, 2012 at 9:24 am |
    • Bo

      @ TCS: correction; "One time evening on a summer..." to "One time on a summer evening..."

      January 7, 2012 at 9:30 am |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      Bo that was all very fascinating but I was really just referring to the people who stand on the corners with their "The End is Near" signs. The are far more credible than church.

      January 7, 2012 at 2:28 pm |
  5. NOBODYS FOOL

    @ ALL YOU NON BELIEVERS GET READY YOUR TROUBLE MAKING SELF HOT SEAT IN HELL HAS YOUR NAME ON IT READY & WAITING

    January 7, 2012 at 12:14 am |
    • BNB42

      If we expect God to subscribe to one religion at the exclusion of all the others, then we should expect damnation as a matter of chance. This should give Christians pause when expounding their religious beliefs, but it does not.

      January 7, 2012 at 12:23 am |
    • gupsphoo

      Will Christians be scared if a Muslim or a Hindu says the same thing to them? I think they will, otherwise they wouldn't be trying to pull this garbage on non-believers.

      January 7, 2012 at 1:54 am |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      My car has those heater things in the front seats. Keeps my buns nice and toasty. I hope Hell is like that. Toasty buns.

      January 7, 2012 at 4:47 am |
  6. Reality

    Dear Ricky S.,

    The Apostles' Creed 2011: (updated by yours truly based on the studies of NT historians and theologians of the past 200 years)

    Should I believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
    and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
    human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven?????

    I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
    preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
    named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
    girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)

    Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
    the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

    He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
    a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of
    Jerusalem.

    Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
    many semi-fiction writers. A bodily resurrection and
    ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
    Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
    grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
    and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
    called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

    Amen

    January 7, 2012 at 12:05 am |
    • b4bigbang

      @Reality:
      Prove what u said...

      January 7, 2012 at 12:17 am |
    • Chrism

      This is not what most historians believe. The burial is highly implausible. The Romans would not have done so, and then why would the rumors have grown about the body disappearing? The disciples would not have done so and lied about it. How many people do you know who would lie and then walk into a lion's den for the sake of not revealing their lie? Ok even if you someone found 1, how would you find 500?

      January 7, 2012 at 12:58 am |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      @B4bigbang
      He just did. You can verify the facts if you can read.

      @Chrism
      It is very likely he was buried in the fashion of the times. If his family or friends did not have a cave to lay him down in, the Romans would most likely have tossed him in a community hole. There to rot, fester and decompose, unless someone stole the body that is.....but that is another story called "Casper the Friendly Ghost" for another time.

      January 7, 2012 at 5:05 am |
    • .........

      Hit report abuse on all reality repeat bull sh it

      January 7, 2012 at 5:13 am |
    • Reality

      Only for the "newbies":

      Saving Christians from the Infamous Resurrection Con:

      From that famous passage: In 1 Corinthians 15 St. Paul reasoned, "If Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith."

      Even now Catholic/Christian professors of theology are questioning the bodily resurrection of the simple, preacher man aka Jesus.

      To wit;

      From a major Catholic university's theology professor’s grad school white-board notes:

      "Heaven is a Spirit state or spiritual reality of union with God in love, without earthly – earth bound distractions.
      Jesus and Mary's bodies are therefore not in Heaven.

      Most believe that it to mean that the personal spiritual self that survives death is in continuity with the self we were while living on earth as an embodied person.

      Again, the physical Resurrection (meaning a resuscitated corpse returning to life), Ascension (of Jesus' crucified corpse), and Assumption (Mary's corpse) into heaven did not take place.

      The Ascension symbolizes the end of Jesus' earthly ministry and the beginning of the Church.

      Only Luke's Gospel records it. The Assumption ties Jesus' mission to Pentecost and missionary activity of Jesus' followers The Assumption has multiple layers of symbolism, some are related to Mary's special role as "Christ bearer" (theotokos). It does not seem fitting that Mary, the body of Jesus' Virgin-Mother (another biblically based symbol found in Luke 1) would be derived by worms upon her death. Mary's assumption also shows God's positive regard, not only for Christ's male body, but also for female bodies." "

      "In three controversial Wednesday Audiences, Pope John Paul II pointed out that the essential characteristic of heaven, hell or purgatory is that they are states of being of a spirit (angel/demon) or human soul, rather than places, as commonly perceived and represented in human language. This language of place is, according to the Pope, inadequate to describe the realities involved, since it is tied to the temporal order in which this world and we exist. In this he is applying the philosophical categories used by the Church in her theology and saying what St. Thomas Aquinas said long before him."

      http://eternal-word.com/library/PAPALDOC/JP2HEAVN.HTM

      The Vatican quickly embellished this story with a lot CYAP.

      Of course, we all know that angels are really mythical "pretty wingie talking thingies".

      With respect to rising from the dead, we also have this account:

      An added note: As per R.B. Stewart in his introduction to the recent book, The Resurrection of Jesus, Crossan and Wright in Dialogue,

      p.4

      "Reimarus (1774-1778) posits that Jesus became sidetracked by embracing a political position, sought to force God's hand and that he died alone deserted by his disciples. What began as a call for repentance ended up as a misguided attempt to usher in the earthly political kingdom of God. After Jesus' failure and death, his disciples stole his body and declared his resurrection in order to maintain their financial security and ensure themselves some standing."

      p.168. by Ted Peters:

      Even so, asking historical questions is our responsibility. Did Jesus really rise from the tomb? Is it necessary to have been raised from the tomb and to appear to his disciples in order to explain the rise of early church and the transcription of the bible? Crossan answers no, Wright answers, yes. "

      So where are the bones"? As per Professor Crossan's analyses in his many books, the body of Jesus would have ended up in the mass graves of the crucified, eaten by wild dogs, covered with lime in a shallow grave, or under a pile of stones.

      January 7, 2012 at 8:31 am |
  7. AGuest9

    South Carolina, home of "Keep your government hands off my Social Security." We should remind them that Social Security is a federal program and that their GRANDCHILDREN AND GREAT-GRANDCHILDREN are paying for them to be retired.

    January 6, 2012 at 9:59 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      The real motto is "South Carolina-first in our hearts and last in everything else."

      January 6, 2012 at 10:09 pm |
    • Sandlapper

      I always thought the motto was "Thank God for Mississippi."

      January 9, 2012 at 9:05 am |
  8. THE BIBLE IS GARBAGE

    HEY CHRISTIANS I HAVE SOMETHING TO ASK YOU.

    HAVE YOU EVER ASKED YOURSELF WHY YOUR GOD GAVE A BUNCH OF CAMEL MOUNTING SAND PEOPLE WORDS TO WRITE DOWN IN BITS AND PIECES OF PAPER AND DEAD ANIMAL SKIN, AND THEN LET IT GO ON ITS MERRY WAY FOR OMISSION, REVISION, MISINTERPRETATION, CONTRADICTION AND TO PASS ALONG LIES THAT CAN BE EASILY FOUND WITHIN?

    IF I WERE GOD, I'D HAVE BEEN A MAN AND WROTE THE BOOK MYSELF, OR COMMANDED IT WITH MY MAGICAL VOICE INTO EXISTENCE AND MADE IT COMPLETELY INDESTRUCTIBLE. THAT WAY, IT WOULDN'T BE FAKE, LIKE THE BIBLE IS.

    THE MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE (NOT HE-MAN) CREATED THE UNIVERSE (ACCORDING TO YOUR LOUSY EXCUSE FOR A FICTION NOVEL). BILLIONS OF GALAXIES CONTAIN BILLIONS OF STARS. ASTONISHING AND MAGNIFICENT LAWS OF PHYSICS GOVERNS THE UNIVERSE IN WAYS THAT HUMANS STRUGGLE TO UNDERSTAND. YET YOUR GOD COULDN'T GET A SINGLE BOOK RIGHT? IT CREATED COMPLEX LIFE FORMS, BUT IT COULDN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET A BOOK OUT TO THE PEOPLE IT DEMANDS WORSHIP FROM THAT DOESN'T CONTRADICT ITSELF AND MAKE THE WRITERS LOOK STUPID.

    YEAH, AND PEOPLE ACTUALLY THINK I SHOULD BELIEVE IN THAT.

    CHRISTIANS ARE OUT OF THEIR STUPID MINDS.

    January 6, 2012 at 8:50 pm |
    • just sayin

      It appears a draw as to whether you know less about typing or the Holy Bible. Rarely is so much ignorance gathered in such a small space. It must take an incredibly small mind to produce that.

      January 6, 2012 at 9:08 pm |
    • Chrism

      But the funny thing about humans is they don't always believe what they are shown or read. Even if God wrote it down you would claim it was distorted. There are miracles RIGHT NOW going on. Why don't you email Amy Wall? Or William Glisson Jr? Really. They're living. They'd be glad to tell you their stories I bet. But oh, it's ok. It's all probably made up and exaggerated right? See isn't that funny. Jesus could be right there in a town near you performing a miracle and someone could tell you and you'd say sure, right. Right? And blow it off. Right?

      January 6, 2012 at 9:19 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      Ask yourself this simple question: Why, when you read the Bible, are you not left in awe? Why doesn't a book written by an omniscient being leave you with a sense of wonder and amazement? If you are reading a book written by the all-powerful, all-knowing, all-loving creator of the universe, wouldn't you expect to be stunned by the brilliance, the clarity and the wisdom of the author? Would you not expect each new page to intoxicate you with its incredible prose and its spectacular insight? Wouldn't you expect the author to tell us things that scientists have not been able to discover yet?
      Yet, when we open the Bible and actually read it, we find it is nothing like that at all. Instead of leaving us in awe, it leaves us dumbfounded by all of the nonsense and backwardness that it contains. If you read what the Bible actually says, you find that the Bible is ridiculous. If we are honest with ourselves, it is obvious that an "all-knowing" God had absolutely nothing to do with this book.
      The reason why the Bible contains so much nonsense is because God is imaginary. The Bible is a book written thousands of years ago by primitive men. A book that advocates senseless murder, slavery and the oppression of women has no place in our society today.

      January 6, 2012 at 9:27 pm |
    • Chrism

      @CS, well I appreciate the thoughtful honest discussion. When I read the bible I am amazed. First going back to the old testament, I don't take Genesis literally but I'm nonetheless amazed that poetically light into a void and raising man from the mud fit our understanding of the unverse. Given to people thousands of years ago, that would be a great guess, especially considering others believed the earth rode on the back of a giant turtle. The laws of the old testament fit the people. It was for them. It guided them and it's proof of effectiveness is seen in the Jewish people. The old testament itself awes me in many ways. Compare it to other civilizations. The detail, the specificity, the wisdom and insight into humanity is astounding. The aweness of mans place. Look at psalms or wisdom or Sirach. I do even now get awed. And Jesus' teachings can only be said to be novel at the time, beyond what was known before, with authority not seen before. There is no way to dismiss Jesus as a madman or delusional. Of course the miracles if you disbelieve them you will find the gospels less awe inspiring. If you believe them ,obviously more so.

      But let me tell you this, I didn't really learn the awe I now have for the bible till I started trying to live it. I was an agnostic til I was 29. And I was called. I experience God, sir. And I've discovered the bible is far more than two dimensional. You'll stand in awe when you discover the Word of God is living. When you suddenly and clearly realize God is living in other people among you and your interaction with God and the bible are real and interrelated. THAT is when you will stand in awe.

      January 6, 2012 at 9:38 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      @Chrism
      Well that was easy. Thanks for making my case that you are a moron. Do you have any education at all? Have you ever studied the origins of religion?

      January 6, 2012 at 9:45 pm |
    • THE BIBLE IS GARBAGE

      I'VE READ THE BIBLE COVER TO COVER NUMEROUS TIMES. IT IS A KNOWN FACT THAT IT IS FALSE. IT CANCELS ITSELF OUT. YOU CAN READ ALL ABOUT JESUS' PROMISES THAT NEVER CAME TRUE. IN THE BIBLE. WITHOUT INTERPRETATION. ONE SUCH PROMISE WAS THE TIME OF HIS RETURN, WHICH HE STATED AND NEVER CAME THROUGH ON. THE WRITER OF ANOTHER BOOK TRIED TO COVER THIS LITTLE FABRICATION UP BY MAKING UP SOME MORE GARBAGE ABOUT NO ONE KNOWING THE DAY OR THE HOUR, NOT EVEN THE SON. RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT. YET THE "SON" CLAIMED TO KNOW WHEN HE'D RETURN. JUST ONE TINY LITTLE GLARING CONTRADICTION THAT CHRISTIANS EITHER IGNORE OR DON'T EVEN KNOW IS IN THE BIBLE.

      AS FOR MIRACLES. PLEASE. SHOW ME ONE. I FIND IT FUNNY THAT YOU HEAR ABOUT THEM BUT NEVER ACTUALLY SEE THEM TAKE PLACE. EVER. JUST LIKE THAT TOOL GIVING AWAY FREE MIRACLE WATER WITH PROMISES OF MIRACLES SUCH AS RECEIVING LARGE SUMS OF CASH. HOW MIRACULOUS.

      THE BIBLE SAYS THAT IF YOU HAVE FAITH ANYTHING YOU ASK FOR YOU WILL RECEIVE. ANYTHING. HOW MANY PEOPLE WITH REAL FAITH HAVE BEGGED GOD TO SAVE THEIR LOVED ONES FROM DEATH? HOW MANY PEOPLE WITH REAL FAITH HAVE ASKED NOT TO BE PARALYZED? HOW MANY OF THEM HAVE ASKED GOD TO GROW A SEVERED LIMB BACK? AND HOW MANY OF THESE PRAYERS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED? NOT ONE. JUST ANOTHER TINY EXAMPLE IN THE BIBLE OF A PROMISE THAT NEVER GETS FULFILLED.

      HERE'S YOUR MISTAKE CHRISM:

      YOU TRY TO JUSTIFY THE BIBLE BY SAYING HUMANS DON'T ALWAYS BELIEVE WHAT THEY READ OR SEE. WELL, I'VE NEVER SEEN A MIRACLE. SO THAT ONE IS DOWN THE TOILET. I BELIEVE WHAT I READ AND SEE WHEN IT ACTUALLY HAPPENS AND WHEN IT IS FACTUAL. THE ONLY FACTUAL THING ABOUT THE BIBLE IS THAT IT LIES, PROMOTES MURDER, SLAVERY AND IT REALLY WANTS GAYS PUT TO DEATH. IT CONTRADICTS ITSELF AND IT IS BASED ON OTHER RELIGIONS SUCH AS JUDAISM AND GREEK MYTHOLOGY. THOSE ARE FACTS.

      THE NAMES YOU PROVIDED ARE LAUGHABLE.

      AMY WALL "CURED" OF BEING DEAF. WITH ENOUGH TESTING THAT COULD BE EXPLAINED. PERHAPS HER INNER EARS WERE UNDERDEVELOPED AT BIRTH. WERE YOU AWARE THAT SCIENCE HAS MADE SOME STRANGE ADVANCES IN FIGURING OUT WHAT THE BRAIN CAN DO? THE BIBLE CAN'T DO THIS:

      http://www.nytimes.com/2000/04/25/science/rewired-ferrets-overturn-theories-of-brain-growth.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

      HOW ABOUT SOME GUY IN A COMA WITH BRAIN DAMAGE WAKING UP? OH, THEY STUCK BONE FRAGMENTS FROM SOME "HOLY" GUY IN HIS BRACELET AND PRAYED. MAGIC HAPPENED. HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE WOKEN UP FROM A COMA WITH BRAIN DAMAGE WHEN NO ONE WAS PRAYING? A LOT. NOT A MIRACLE.

      SHOW ME SOMETHING REAL CHISM. HOW ABOUT THIS... JESUS RUBBED SPIT-MUD IN SOME DUDE'S EMPTY EYE SOCKETS AND HIS EYES GREW BACK. LET'S SEE THIS HAPPEN TODAY. NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. HOW ABOUT WALKING UP TO A GRAVE AND TELLING SOMEONE TO COME BACK TO LIFE? YOU KNOW, LIKE LAZARUS. YEAH, NOT GONNA HAPPEN EITHER. BUT JESUS COULD DO IT. AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT THE BOOK SAYS. BUT LIKE I SAID, THE BIBLE CLAIMS YOU GET WHAT YOU ASK FOR IF YOU HAVE FAITH. OUT OF 7 BILLION PEOPLE YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT NO ONE HAS THE FAITH TO GO TO SOMEONE'S GRAVE AND RAISE THEM FROM THE DEAD? NONE OF THE 7 BILLION HAVE THE FAITH NECESSARY TO GROW A LIMB BACK? WELL HELL, THE BIBLE SAYS ALL YOU NEED IS THE FAITH OF A MUSTARD SEED, WHICH IS JUST A VERY SMALL AMOUNT.

      LIKE MY NAME SAYS.

      January 6, 2012 at 9:48 pm |
    • Keith

      THE ______IS GARBAGE, I have a question for you....Why don't you get back to the article about that pastors book and answer the question posed to you?

      January 6, 2012 at 9:51 pm |
    • THE BIBLE IS GARBAGE

      CHRISM, ARE YOU IN AWE OF LEVITICUS WHERE THE BIBLE SAYS GAYS SHOULD BE PUT TO DEATH?

      IF THE CREATION MYTH INTRIGUES YOU, YOU SHOULD READ THE BOOK OF ENOCH, WHICH WAS KEPT OUT OF THE BIBLE BY THE CATHOLICS.

      ARE YOU ALSO IN AWE OF THE MANY REFERENCES IN THE BIBLE TO BOOKS THAT WERE LEFT OUT? IN OTHER WORDS, THE BIBLE ISN'T COMPLETE. THEREFORE THE MISSING INFORMATION LEFT OUT MEANS YOU AREN'T LIVING YOUR LIFE ACCORDING TO THE WORD, SINCE THE WORD ISN'T WHOLE.

      ARE YOU INSPIRED WITH AWE AND GLORY WHEN PEOPLE ARE COMMANDED TO SMASH BABIES AGAINST ROCKS IN THE BIBLE?

      HOW ABOUT THE COMMANDMENTS TO KILL ENTIRE VILLAGES AND R@PE ALL THE WOMEN? DOES THAT FILL YOU WITH MAGICAL AWE?

      January 6, 2012 at 9:53 pm |
    • Chrism

      @CS you want to know my education. I'm very blessed there. Thanks for asking. You want to talk about comparative religions go ahead.

      January 6, 2012 at 9:54 pm |
    • Chrism

      BIBLE G guy give a bit to respond there I appreciate the discussion but you've got a few points I want to make sure I'm getting and responding correctly.

      January 6, 2012 at 9:55 pm |
    • THE BIBLE IS GARBAGE

      HEY KEITH, I RESPONDED TO YOUR IGNORANT QUESTION. CONSIDER SOMETHING FIRST BEFORE YOU POST AGAIN. HAWKING DOESN'T SAY THAT ALIENS EXIST. HE SAID THEY ALMOST CERTAINLY DO. GIVEN THE SIZE OF THE UNIVERSE, HE IS POSTULATING THEORY, NOT CLAIMING FACT. LET US NOW SEE JUST HOW MUCH MORE IGNORANT YOU CAN BE.

      January 6, 2012 at 9:58 pm |
    • Keith

      Mat 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

      January 6, 2012 at 10:01 pm |
    • THE BIBLE IS GARBAGE

      I ALREADY KNOW YOU'RE ABOUT TO TELL ME THAT JESUS EXISTED TO GET RID OF THE "OLD LAW" OR OLD TESTAMENT. AND HE DIDN'T. HE SAID IN HIS OWN WORDS HE WASN'T HERE TO ABOLISH THE OLD LAW. THE OLD LAW IS STILL IN EFFECT. PRAISE JESUS FOR THAT.

      January 6, 2012 at 10:01 pm |
    • THE BIBLE IS GARBAGE

      SERIOUSLY KEITH? IF YOU WANT TO GO THERE... THE GENERATIONS THAT LIVED DURING THE TIMES THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN WERE EXACTLY THE SAME. REMEMBER? YOUR GOD PUT THEM ALL TO DEATH IN A FLOOD.

      DON'T FORGET ABOUT OTHERS THAT DEMANDED SIGNS, AND YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED? THE PROPHETS ASKED GOD TO SHOW THE PEOPLE HE EXISTED. GUESS WHAT GOD DID, HE ANSWERED. SO MUCH FOR NOT TEMPTING THE LORD THEY GOD, RIGHT? LET ME GUESS, THE PRIMITIVE PEOPLE THAT LIVED 2000+ YEARS AGO WERE MORE IMPORTANT, SO GOD WOULD DROP FIRE FROM THE SKY WHEN THE REQUEST WAS MADE. BUT TODAY, YOU CAN'T EVEN GET GOD TO LIGHT YOUR CIGARETTE.

      TRY HARDER KEITH.

      January 6, 2012 at 10:05 pm |
    • THE BIBLE IS GARBAGE

      YOU GUYS NEED TO STOP USING THE BIBLE AS EVIDENCE THAT IT IS TRUE. IT ISN'T. AS I'VE SAID, IT IS FACTUALLY WRONG AND HAS BEEN PROVEN TO BE FACTUALLY WRONG. QUOTING SCRIPTURE DOESN'T FIX ALL OF ITS MISTAKES. IT CERTAINLY ISN'T GOING TO CONVINCE ME THAT THEY'RE SUDDENLY MEANINGFUL. YOU MUST HAVE MISSED WHAT I SAID BEFORE. I'VE READ THE STUPID THING COVER TO COVER WITH GREAT ATTENTION TO DETAIL. THE BOOK IS NOT TRUE, AND IT'S THE FURTHEST THING ON THE PLANET FOR EVIDENCE OF GOD. THERE IS NO WAY AROUND THIS FACT.

      January 6, 2012 at 10:08 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Hey, Chrism, can you show me a video of God writing anything down?

      Yeah. I didn't think you could.

      Can you show me any proof that God ever wrote anything at all?

      Of course not. He doesn't exist.

      January 6, 2012 at 10:11 pm |
    • Chrism

      BIBLE IN RECYCLE BIN DON'T DELETE,

      Ok I think I get your points, and I may not have the best way of answering. The first thing I can answer. There is a group of people who interpret Jesus saying this generation shall not pass away as meaning only those people living like 20 year lifetime generation. But this you can look up, this word read as generation is used in other places in the bible. It does not mean 20 year lifespan generation. It refers precisely and specifically to all the people in the generation between Jesus' first and second coming. If you want a more details explanation including the original word in the gospel and it's other places in the bible I encourage you to look it up.

      Now as far as miracles and why many are not granted you may not like my answers. Have you read Rabbi zkushner's Why Bad Things Happen to Good People? Look my dad had a stroke right before Christmas. But I'm blessed we were all together all be it in the hospital on Christmas day. I'm glad he's still around at 89. I can't answer why God doesn't just heal everyone. But it doesn't mean he doesn't have a purpose. Jesus asked for suffering to pass him by. He prayed for it to. But God's will was for Jesus to accept the suffering. And there was a reason, a purpose. Suffering can and does have meaning. And it can be for others' sins. God said He would pour out the cup of suffering on us. Well this might sound awful but it has a purpose. You know what helps me sometimes is something John F Kennedy wrote in Profiles in Courage. He wrote I can stand any suffering so long as it is temporary. And that's just it. We are talking about temporary suffering to bring eternal gain. And that is worth it.

      As far as Amy Wall, I've spent a good but of time reading about her. In fact you know something interesting, the other miraculous healing attributed to St. Katharine Drexel's intercession was also hearing. Isn't that interesting? I think God might be sending us a message. Like maybe we aren't listening. And maybe He can help. Maybe the physical suffering is telling us something about priorities even. Maybe we shouldn't be so worried about the phsyical. Maybe God is getting our attention for someone more important. Like CS Lewis said pain is God's megaphone. But you ought to look up Amy Wall again. No she had nerve conduction studies. Her healing was essentially unheard of. You might also try St. John Neumann and the 13 year old boy Julio who was healed. You see it's not just that the boy came out of a coma. It's that he recognized St. John Neumann in a picture as someone who visited him while he was in the coma. I tend to believe the 13 year old boy. I also believe the skeptics and atheists who saw the miracle in Fatima in I believe 1913 was it?

      And as far as the old testament, again it comes down to God having a greater purpose. He protected His chosen people to save mankind. Those whose lives He took, He took to Himself. He's allowed to do that.

      January 6, 2012 at 10:13 pm |
    • THE BIBLE IS GARBAGE

      CHRISM, YOUR FIRST POINT IS ONE THAT DESTROYS CHRISTIANITY RIGHT OFF THE BAT. THE GENERATION MISINTERPRETATION. IT DOESN'T NEED INTERPRETATION. THOSE THAT INTERPRET IT DO SO TO JUSTIFY THEIR FAITH. BUT, IF PEOPLE WANT TO MISINTERPRET THIS ANYWAY, THEN THERE'S ANOTHER QUOTE FROM JESUS TELLING PEOPLE IN ISRAEL THAT THEY WON'T MAKE IT THROUGH EACH CITY IN ISRAEL BEFORE HE RETURNS. THEY HAD MORE THAN ENOUGH TIME TO GO TO EACH CITY BY NOW. THEY'VE HAD 2000 YEARS. BUT THEY'RE ALL DEAD NOW.

      IF YOU THINK IT'S OK FOR GOD TO HAVE A GREATER PURPOSE AND THE CHOICE OF DESTROYING PEOPLE, THEN YOU'RE SERIOUSLY MESSED UP.

      GOD CREATES HEAVEN, THE ANGELS, THE UNIVERSE AND FINALLY MANKIND. THEN ONE OF THE ANGELS HE CREATED GOES AND PLAYS AROUND WITH MAN, MAN DOES THE NAUGHTY FRUIT EATING THING, GOD GETS ANGRY AND STARTS SENDING PEOPLE TO HELL WHEN THEY DIE BECAUSE TWO PEOPLE ATE FRUIT. THEN, FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS, GOD COMMANDS ALL KINDS OF ATROCITIES THAT INCLUDE THE SLAUGHTER OF INNOCENTS (WHICH YOU CLAIM HE IS TRYING TO PROTECT).

      THEN GOD KNOCKS UP A VIRGIN, HAS A KID AND THIS KID PRODUCES MIRACLES WHICH CANNOT BE REPRODUCED IN ANY WAY AND THEN HAS HIMSELF KILLED SO THE "SIN" WE LIVE IN IS FORGIVEN. BUT IF YOU REJECT IT, YOU BURN IN HELL ANYWAY. WAIT, SO, WHAT'S THE POINT OF THE SACRIFICE IF IT DOESN'T MATTER ANYWAY? I'M TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND THIS. GOD CREATED ALL OF THE PAIN AND SUFFERING, BUT WANTS US TO FEEL GUILTY ABOUT IT?

      WHY ARE WE SUPPOSED TO FEEL GUILTY ABOUT IT? AFTER ALL, NONE OF US ATE THE FRUIT OFF THAT TREE.

      GOD IN THE BIBLE SOUNDS A LOT LIKE HITLER AT THE AGE OF TEN WITH SOME PLAY-DOH, BUT WITH A DRY SENSE OF HUMOR AND THE INABILITY TO REASON. HE ALSO SOUNDS BI-POLAR. ONE MINUTE HE'S PLEASED, THE NEXT HE'S HAVING PEOPLE KILLED BY THE THOUSANDS.

      January 6, 2012 at 10:25 pm |
    • THE BIBLE IS GARBAGE

      KEITH IS SO PAINFULLY STUPID, THINKING ABOUT IT MAKES ME PEE BLOOD.

      January 6, 2012 at 10:29 pm |
    • Chrism

      Hey Tom, looks like you supplied your own answers. Suffice it to say I disagree. Like I said I was an agnostic for a long time. Not saying I was really any better but I at least tried to keep an open mind. Now I have evidence. God chose to reveal Himself to me. I thank Him and may He bless you.

      January 6, 2012 at 10:29 pm |
    • THE BIBLE IS GARBAGE

      WHAT EVIDENCE DO YOU HAVE? THIS HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP MANY TIMES. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT GOD EXISTS. NONE WHATSOEVER.

      January 6, 2012 at 10:32 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Chrism, you're a complete fraud. What "evidence" do you have? Go ahead and cite it.

      Dip shi t.

      January 6, 2012 at 10:32 pm |
    • Chrism

      BIBLE IN THE COMPOST,

      Look I'm not making it up. You should look up this generation more. We're talking in English. The word in the original is in other places in the bible and it doesn't mean lifetime. I was watching this priest on Bill Maher one time he said don't choke on a bone in the bible. Really if that is what you are hung up on you should look it up. Because I truly believe you are wrong. And the time to go out to the cities, i don't know. Has every city been evangelized? How about in Chna? Are you sure it says only in Israel?

      Some things you mention like angels make sense to me. Why couldn't God create spiritual beings? If they had free will why could some rebel? Why couldn't there be a battle between angels evil spiritual beings? The virgin Mary? Everything God did for us was forest that – for us. He wanted to save us. It makes sense to me He would be born through a purified human. Take human form. Why not? It was to unite with us. Share in fact in our suffering.

      This topic of hell I think people get hung up on. I hink you can obsess about it. But the thing is, the bible says only God is the judge. So as far as you and I know there may be no one in hell. There is a verse the grace of God appeared saving ALL. Maybe God just wanted to impress the importance on people. You know in Jeremiah he told Jeremiah even though He had said the sinner would surely die he would not die if he repented and turned to God. god also says whoever is upstanding among the nations is acceptable to Him. So live a good life and why worry about it.

      January 6, 2012 at 10:45 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      "You should look up this generation more"?

      Translate this into standard English, please.

      Really, Chrism, you are barely beyond ridiculous.

      January 6, 2012 at 10:50 pm |
    • THE BIBLE IS GARBAGE

      EVANGELIZED? THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT JESUS WAS TALKING ABOUT. HE WAS TALKING ABOUT HIS RETURN. NOT WHAT PEOPLE WERE SUPPOSED TO DO BEFORE HE RETURNED. MULTIPLE VERSES ILLUSTRATE THIS, WITHOUT THE NEED TO INTERPRET, NO BONE CHOKING, JUST PLAIN READING WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS. THAT'S THE POINT. YOU'RE SAYING, "THIS IS WHAT IT MEANS." THE SECOND YOU DO THAT, YOU'VE JUST CHANGED THE MEANING OF THE WORDS. IT SAYS WHAT IT SAYS, AND THAT'S THAT.

      HELL DOESN'T EXIST, SO THERE'S NOTHING TO BE HUNG UP ABOUT. NEITHER DOES HEAVEN. AND NEITHER DOES GOD. IT'S POSSIBLE JESUS MAY HAVE EXISTED. IF HE DID, HE WAS ONLY A MAN, AND HE CERTAINLY WASN'T GOD'S KID.

      BY THE WAY, IF GOD PROTECTS HIS CHOSEN PEOPLE, HOW DID THE HOLOCAUST HAPPEN?

      January 6, 2012 at 10:55 pm |
    • THE BIBLE IS GARBAGE

      I POSTED THIS ELSEWHERE:

      DAY ONE: GOD CREATES LIGHT
      DAY FOUR: GOD CREATES LIGHT SOURCE

      GOD: "I GIVE MANKIND FREE WILL!"
      GOD: "DO AS I COMMAND!"

      GOD: "I HATE SIN, THEREFORE I SHALL WIPE OUT ALL OF HUMANITY WITH A FLOOD!"
      GOD: "WELL, THAT DIDN'T WORK, I'D BETTER KILL MYSELF THEN."

      THAT PRETTY MUCH SUMS UP THE STUPIDITY OF THE BIBLE.

      January 6, 2012 at 10:57 pm |
    • THE BIBLE IS GARBAGE

      CHRISM, I BELIEVE YOU MISSED WHAT I WAS GETTING AT IN MY MENTION OF ANGELS. I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE WHOLE MYTH AND HOW IT ALL PLAYED OUT. IT IS NOT LOGICAL. SURE SURE, YOU WILL SAY WE DON'T UNDERSTAND GOD'S LOGIC, YET MAN HAS A PRETTY GOOD GRASP OF SCIENCE WHICH GOD ALLEGEDLY CREATED. THEREFORE, IF GOD CREATED PHYSICS AND WE UNDERSTAND IT, THEN WE UNDERSTAND GOD'S LOGIC. COMPARING THIS LOGIC TO THE FAIRYTALE BIBLE MYTH, THEY DO NOT MATCH. THIS LEADS US TO CONCLUDE THAT ONE OR THE OTHER IS COMPLETELY FALSE. SINCE WE HAVE EVIDENCE THAT ONE IS TRUE, THAT MEANS THE OTHER IS FALSE.

      January 6, 2012 at 11:00 pm |
    • o.k.

      This too funny...I simply can't let this one go..."The Bible is Garbage" guy acutally wrote that it (the Bible) is based on other religions–like Judaism (see post at 9:48). What a moron! Are you drunk? Judaism is an "other religion"? Really? Do you have any idea what you posted? (I previously posted that I have the utmost respect for others who don't share my beliefs–my utmost respect, however, does not always extend to complete idiots.)

      January 6, 2012 at 11:00 pm |
    • THE BIBLE IS GARBAGE

      OK, YOU THINK JUDAISM AND CHRISTIANITY ARE THE SAME RELIGION? AND YOU THINK I'M THE MORON?

      CHRISTIANS BELIEVE JESUS IS THE MESSIAH. WERE YOU AWARE OF THIS? JEWS DO NOT. YOU MUST THINK THAT ISLAM IS THE SAME AS THESE TWO MYTHS AS WELL BECAUSE THEY HAVE CLOSE TIES, CORRECT? HOW ABOUT THE MORMON RELIGION? YOU THINK THAT IS THE SAME AS WELL?

      January 6, 2012 at 11:03 pm |
    • Chrism

      I have discussed my evidence with others on the Internet. You ask ok but would you believe anything I said? Really. Do you mind asking yourself before you rad any further if you're even going to consider I might be sane and telling the truth? I was an agnostic til I was 29. Then I heard a message, two separate times when I was driving, and I understood exactly what the message was. It was not directly from God but a messenger. I "heard" it in my heart but immediately understood its message that I had an opportu it's to accept Jesus Christ as my Savior and that I should talk to a priest. I did. Since then I wish I had better followed the promptings of the Holy Spirit because I have been prompted and guided by God clearly and distinctly in my heart. I have had confirmations too – things that happen around me and things said to me quite clearly corroborate what I sense. And as I said, I have discovered something truly amazing. god is living. People I don't know have said things to me that no one could have known to say. I was meant to write them down and I really was awful I was lazy. Maybe that's why God is punishing me now having me share it with those who'd mock me. Well here's the thing now. This is evidence for me, you don't have to believe a word of it. The church calls it private revelation. If I was in your shoes, I might dismiss it too. It's sad but there's a reason I'm sure God wants you to hear Him for yourself. Well there are millions who hear Him. And my secret that I've learned which isn't really even a secret is I think everyone does know God. If we asked like Amy Wall just for the ability to hear Ahim, maybe we'd realize that we have all along. In our hearts. Yeah that's hat you call it Tom proof I'm a m0ron? Yeah but you know what? It's not, Tom. It's really true. god can and does live in people's hearts. People are guided by their hearts, feel love in their hearts, feel purpose for their life, see a loved one and get this powerful thing in their hearts, and yet though all that happens when they wake up the next day and think about genes they figure it's all explained by genes huh? All the limbic system? And sure eventually some scientist will explain consciousness. Or wait maybe you already think somebody has. And then that's where it all needs to end. I'm not going to sit here and argue back and forth. You asked me. I don't hallucinate. I reality test very very well. Ive been shown. You don't have to believe it. And you can write it off as psychology, but you'd be wrong. I could as easily say psychologically you're avoiding responsibility when you disbelieve.

      January 6, 2012 at 11:04 pm |
    • Get Real

      Chrism: "Why couldn't God create spiritual beings? If they had free will why could some rebel?"

      Why couldn't there be Leprechauns with pots of gold at the end of the rainbow?

      Why couldn't there be Invisible purple unicorns playing on the far side of Arcturus?

      Why couldn't there be an Elephant-Faced god and a 4-armed goddess?

      There is no more of a shred of evidence for your Middle Eastern tribe's imagined supernatural beings than there is for any of the others.

      January 6, 2012 at 11:05 pm |
    • Chrism

      You know what though I am sorry for saying that aboutmGod punishing me. I think .god wanted me to write down my experiences but I think He would want me to share with anyone maybe this is meant to be too I don't know.

      January 6, 2012 at 11:10 pm |
    • THE BIBLE IS GARBAGE

      CHRISM, THEY'VE ALREADY PROVEN THAT "GOD" IS ALL IN THE HEAD. RELIGIOUS EXPERIENCES ARE NOTHING MORE THAN PSYCHOLOGICAL. NO INFLUENCE FROM SOME ALMIGHTY BEING.

      LOOK UP THE "GOD HELMET."

      January 6, 2012 at 11:11 pm |
    • o.k.

      Slow done there Skippy...your the one who said that the Bible is based on "other" religions, like Judaism. That makes absolutely no sense. I won't waste my time trying to explain it to you. I'll let your own posts indict you at a true idiot–Hey Colin, are paying attention. Do you get it now. Its not necessarily the believers who are without a brain.

      January 6, 2012 at 11:13 pm |
    • Chrism

      BIBLE GARGLE,

      Ok but I think there are different types of arguments you make. When I say with angels why couldn't God do it I'm only saying it because you say it sounds ridiculous or something like you disbelieve God because the bible mentions angels. I'm only saying its not ridiculous, no I don't have visual proof of an angel so its not like though comparing to leprochauns is the point. I don't believe in leprochauns. I believe some things are disproven like a chariot pulling the sun but the bible is still credible. Not only is it credible but you know philosophically to explain existence. Why does the universe exist? It is more than realistic to believe a higher power was involved because the universe is ordered. It doesn't make sense that an exploding fireball would produce conscious life.

      I think we model physics but we don't even really understand what it is.

      I don't see any problem with God giving us free will and still asking us to live by His guidance. We still need guidance but we have room to exercise freedom.

      Look I will look up these verses again about this generation will pass away and all cities be evangelized, but will you look it up again too? I can tell you I've read arm article specifically on the word generation and that it means all people between Jesus' first and second coming. What if that's what it means and you're misinterpreting it?

      January 6, 2012 at 11:19 pm |
    • THE BIBLE IS GARBAGE

      YOU SHOULD REALLY TAKE A GOOD, HARD LOOK AT WHAT YOU WRITE BEFORE YOU HIT THAT LITTLE POST BUTTON.

      "o.k.

      Slow done there Skippy...your the one who said that the Bible is based on "other" religions, like Judaism. That makes absolutely no sense. I won't waste my time trying to explain it to you. I'll let your own posts indict you at a true idiot–Hey Colin, are paying attention. Do you get it now. Its not necessarily the believers who are without a brain."

      "SLOW DONE THERE SKIPPY."
      "YOUR THE ONE..."
      "COLIN, ARE PAYING ATTENTION."

      AREN'T YOU A GLISTENING GENIUS.

      I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I SAID. I AM ALSO WELL AWARE THAT THE TORAH IS IN THE BIBLE. CHRISTIANITY IS BASED ON JUDAISM AND GREEK MYTHOLOGY. THE BASIS OF THE BIBLE IS JUDAISM. THIS IS KNOWN AS THE OLD TESTAMENT. PERHAPS YOU HAVE HEARD OF IT?

      January 6, 2012 at 11:19 pm |
    • THE BIBLE IS GARBAGE

      CHRISM, HERE ARE SOME FOR YOU TO LOOK AT:

      "And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power." –Mark 9:1 (KJV)

      "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom." –Matthew 16:28 (KJV)

      LIKE I SAID, HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH EVANGELIZING THE CITIES:

      "When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. I tell you the truth, you will not finish going through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes." –Matthew 10:23 (NIV)

      January 6, 2012 at 11:22 pm |
    • o.k.

      First–don't confuse my typos with my ability to debate and think and reason.

      Second–this is what YOU said: "IT IS BASED ON OTHER RELIGIONS SUCH AS JUDAISM " You were referring to the Bible and not Christianity. That statement, you must admit if you have even a tenth of brain, makes no sense. You just admitted as much above.

      January 6, 2012 at 11:25 pm |
    • THE BIBLE IS GARBAGE

      IN REFERENCE TO THE TERM "GENERATION," READ THE OLIVET DISCOURSE.

      THE ORIGINAL GREEK TRANSLATES FROM GENEA AND MEANS GENERATION IN ENGLISH. PEOPLE TRY TO INTERPRET THIS AS MEANING 14 GENERATIONS AS THERE IS ONE EXAMPLE IN THE BIBLE FROM ONE PERSON TO ANOTHER WITH 14 GENERATIONS IN BETWEEN. IF APOLOGISTS WANT TO TRANSLATE OR MISINTERPRET IT TO SPECIFICALLY MEAN 14 GENERATIONS, THEN BY ALL MEANS, GO AHEAD. BUT 14 GENERATIONS HAVE PASSED STILL THUS VOIDING JESUS' PROMISE TO RETURN WHEN HE PROMISED TO.

      January 6, 2012 at 11:27 pm |
    • THE BIBLE IS GARBAGE

      'YOUR" ISN'T A TYPO. IT'S A SIGN OF THE INABILITY TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN YOUR AND YOU'RE, WHICH IS COMMON AMONGST BLATHERING, FUMBLING RETARDS.

      SECOND, THE BIBLE IS BASED ON JUDAISM, WHETHER YOU THINK YOU'VE GOT ONE UP ON ME OR NOT. WITHOUT THE TORAH, IS THE BIBLE STILL THE BIBLE? NO. ITS BASIS IS THE TORAH, WHICH IS JUDAISM. I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO, AND IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK. THE BIBLE ITSELF IS NOT THE TORAH, NOR IS THE TORAH THE BIBLE. THE BIBLE WAS BUILT UPON THE TORAH, WAS IT NOT? THEREFORE, USING LOGIC, ONE CAN SAFELY STATE THAT THE BIBLE IS BASED ON JUDAISM. YOUR (SEE HOW I USED THE PROPER WORD?) KEEN EYE HASN'T WON YOU AN INTERNET ARGUMENT AWARD, AND FOR THIS I APOLOGIZE. BETTER LUCK NEXT TIME.

      January 6, 2012 at 11:34 pm |
    • o.k.

      Shame on me...I'm arguing with a plant.

      January 6, 2012 at 11:46 pm |
    • o.k.

      I agree with your new post that the Bible is based on Judaism. Your original post, by using "other" clearly indicated that the it, the Bible, stole from Judaism. That is what you originally said. Why don't you see that?

      January 6, 2012 at 11:49 pm |
    • THE BIBLE IS GARBAGE

      BECAUSE NOWHERE DID I SAY IT STOLE ANYTHING FROM JUDAISM. ARE YOU KEITH?

      January 6, 2012 at 11:51 pm |
    • Chrism

      BIBLE G,

      If I can tell you it's interesting you bring these up because I have previously struggled with the verses. I can only offer my sincerity I am not here to BS. And to that extent I won't deny I even have a motive to find an answer to this. But I'm not going to just invent one I don't believe nor ask you or anyone else to believe it. It's interesting on the not taste death you quote both Mark and Matthew. If I may share with you I often go first to the NAB footnotes, it's the catholic bible and it often contains a concise answer that would be what the catholic church teaches. You can look it up to verify, the NAB footnotes say for Matthew the "kingdom of God" precedes Jesus' 2nd coming. So seeing the Son of Man coming in His kingdom could be exactly as people like me experience now. Jesus said the kingdom of God is among you. I experience Jesus in it. It may precede His second coming. Now that is the official catholic interpretation. Do I struggle with that interpretation? Yes, a little. The verse does sound like a bit like the 2nd coming. But doesn't have to be. It could mean the coming of Gods kingdom first like the church teaches. I can at least accept it for now. The explanation for Matk given by the church is actually weaker. It actually says it is more likely the parousia. That may make you thnk you're right, but the footnote in full reads " understood by some to refer to the establishment by God's power of his kingdom on earth in and through the church; more likely, as understood by others, a reference to the imminent parousia.". So there you go. How do you like that the catholic church says "more likely" Jesus 2nd coming was imminent. I can't explain it and will think more about it.

      Now interestingly if you are like Bart Ehrman or John Crossan and believe there are insertions, perhaps it is an insertion. But I sense not. So I'm not sure. I think the answer I'm forced to accept is either it meant the coming of God's kingdom or something I'm not understanding.

      Here is the NAB on Matthew 10:23
      11 [23] Before the Son of Man comes: since the coming of the Son of Man at the end of the age had not taken place when this gospel was written, much less during the mission of the Twelve during Jesus' ministry, Matthew cannot have meant the coming to refer to the parousia. It is difficult to know what he understood it to be: perhaps the "proleptic parousia" of Matthew 28:16-20, or the destruction of the temple in A.D. 70, viewed as a coming of Jesus in judgment on unbelieving Israel.

      So you know the church acknowledges it may not know. But there are interpretations offered.

      As far as generation, here is from an article that offers an explanation it refers to the end of the age as there were two questions before Jesus:

      Matthew 24:34 says, "This generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place."  The context here, of course, are the signs of the End Times.  But to really understand this verse, we must go back to the original question that was asked by the disciples. 

      Matthew 24:3 says, "Tell us, when will these things be?  And what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?"  Jesus and the disciples had been walking through the temple.  And Jesus had said that the temple will be destroyed, that not one stone would remain on another.  All the world will mourn at Christ's second coming, and this has not yet happened. Given these two facts, what was the real question that was being asked by the disciples?  Was it a single question?  Or was it two questions?  "When will all this happen?" is asking about the destruction of the temple.  "When will you come again?" is asking about the second coming.  The disciples did not understand, because the seals of the scroll had not yet been opened!  The disciples thought they were asking one question.  But they were in fact asking two questions.  Jesus gave the true answer to the two questions.  But since the disciples were not given the authority to completely understand, we have to piece together what they wrote about Jesus' answer in a way that it makes since, given the two questions.  Again, the disciples thought they were asking one question.  We must re-interpret the answer given to be an answer to two questions. 

      At least again I can accept "generation" does not mean just those living. I'll look more at your sources though. Give me a bit more time on this one.

      January 6, 2012 at 11:53 pm |
    • o.k.

      Look at the context of your entire paragraph from that post–you're clearly implying it.

      January 7, 2012 at 12:02 am |
    • THE BIBLE IS GARBAGE

      OK, NO. YOU ARE INTERPRETING IMPLICATION. I IMPLIED NOTHING. WE'RE DONE. THANKS FOR PLAYING.

      January 7, 2012 at 12:08 am |
    • o.k.

      Then why oh why oh why did you reference right after Judaism "Greek Mythology"? That's the whole point! By referencing Judaism and greek mythology in the same breath, you implied it. Why else could you have possibly have mentioned Greek Mythology in that context!?

      January 7, 2012 at 12:13 am |
    • THE BIBLE IS GARBAGE

      CHRISM, THE GENERATION PART ISN'T 100% CLEAR. BUT AS FOR THE OTHER SCRIPTURES, I DON'T SEE ANY NEED TO INTERPRET. THEY ARE QUOTES FROM JESUS THAT ARE GLOSSED OVER IN ANOTHER VERSE WHERE THE WRITER CLAIMS THAT NO ONE KNOWS THE TIME OF JESUS' RETURN, NOT EVEN JESUS. THESE PREVIOUS VERSES QUOTING JESUS SHOW THAT JESUS KNEW WHEN, WHICH MEANS THAT EITHER JESUS WAS LYING OR THE AUTHORS WERE LYING. THIS GOES BACK TO THE STABILITY OF THE ENTIRE SET OF BOOKS. SOMETHING OF THIS MAGNITUDE WHICH THE ENTIRE FAITH IS BASED UPON NEEDS TO BE SOLID AS A ROCK IN ORDER FOR IT TO BE TRUE. AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, THIS COMPLETELY KILLS IT. THERE ARE PLENTY OF OTHER INCONSISTENCIES THROUGHOUT THE BIBLE THAT DO JUST AS MUCH DAMAGE TO IT, BUT THIS ONE IS REALLY THE MOST OBVIOUS.

      January 7, 2012 at 12:21 am |
    • o.k.

      For those who want a summary of where we are, this is what was said by our favorite Bible hater:

      YOU TRY TO JUSTIFY THE BIBLE BY SAYING HUMANS DON'T ALWAYS BELIEVE WHAT THEY READ OR SEE. WELL, I'VE NEVER SEEN A MIRACLE. SO THAT ONE IS DOWN THE TOILET. I BELIEVE WHAT I READ AND SEE WHEN IT ACTUALLY HAPPENS AND WHEN IT IS FACTUAL. THE ONLY FACTUAL THING ABOUT THE BIBLE IS THAT IT LIES, PROMOTES MURDER, SLAVERY AND IT REALLY WANTS GAYS PUT TO DEATH. IT CONTRADICTS ITSELF AND IT IS BASED ON OTHER RELIGIONS SUCH AS JUDAISM AND GREEK MYTHOLOGY. THOSE ARE FACTS.

      As this is a laundry list of complaints against the Bible, the natural progession to the operative sentence is that the "other religions" is also another complaint. So, the most logical conclusion (taking into account specifically the reference to greek mythology) is that the Bible stole from Judaism

      January 7, 2012 at 12:25 am |
    • THE BIBLE IS GARBAGE

      OK, YOU'RE TRYING TO SAVE YOUR REPUTATION WHILE MAKING A CONTINUED ATTEMPT AT DESTROYING MY INTELLECT. I GET IT. YOU THINK I'M A MORON. THAT'S WONDERFUL. THE DOWNSIDE IS THAT I DON'T CARE, AND NEITHER DOES ANYONE ELSE.

      ONE LAST TIME FOR YOU.

      I NEVER IMPLIED ANYTHING, AS I SAID BEFORE. I SAID THE BIBLE IS BASED ON OTHER RELIGIONS. WHICH IT IS. NOWHERE DID I SAY IT STEALS ANYTHING. YOU ARE MAKING AN ASSUMPTION. SHOW ME WHERE I SAID "THE BIBLE STEALS." THEN YOU HAVE A VALID POINT. CLEAR NOW? FANTASTIC. YOU CAN GET BACK TO YOUR GAME OF WORLD OF WARCRAFT NOW.

      January 7, 2012 at 12:27 am |
    • o.k.

      I don't think I can add any more than I have. Your internal contradictions are utterly amazing. I will, however, take back the moron charge–that was inappropriate. I just don't think you've thought this through.

      January 7, 2012 at 12:32 am |
    • Chrism

      Bible G, for what it is worth I see less a contradiction and problem with the knowing vs not knowing the exact time. It seems Jesus only knows that some will not taste death, not the exact time. Though I'd struggled with the verses and read about them, even the term preterism, I admit I didn't even know the term Olivet discourse. I was in Israel last December (obpver a year ago) and stayed on the mt of olives. It seems futurism, preterism and even idealism may all be possible interpretations. I actually believe more than one is possible. I don't claim to know. I nosepiece CS Lewis called it the most embarrassing verse in the bible! What if there were insertions? Would you think about that? What if Jesus was real but there are insertions? Perhaps we should be carefully not to too hastily dismiss the bible because of particular verses. Or what if St. John Chrysostom and futurists are mostly right? Or more than one interpretation is right? What if reality is that amazing. I kind of feel like it may be.

      January 7, 2012 at 12:36 am |
    • THE BIBLE IS GARBAGE

      I HAVE THOUGHT THIS THROUGH. YOU'RE JUST DIGGING FOR SOMETHING THAT ISN'T THERE.

      CHRISM, THANKS FOR THE CONVERSATION. I'M OFF FOR THE WEEKEND.

      January 7, 2012 at 12:45 am |
    • Chrism

      Thank you too, Bible G. I thank God for all that is good. I will think about it more. I hope you may be open to thinking about some other reason or meaning too. You know even the Preterism, even if some was fulfilled then and it's more the "two questions.". I think it's a difficult verse, even mysterious and ambiguous. I'll think/pray about it.

      January 7, 2012 at 12:53 am |
    • JohnR

      @Chrism Total nonsense. Any almighty personal god who gave a crap about what we believe would make himself manifest regularly. When we say that you are following nothing but ancient superst-ition, that is exactly correct.

      January 7, 2012 at 9:03 am |
  9. The Central Scrutinizer

    I feel the most exciting thing about atheism (weak atheism in my case, or Temporal Agnosticism) is that no possibilities are ruled out. One can revel in the cosmos and the joy of learning without the burden of guilt. Just as Einstein, Hawking and many other thinkers of our time and space, the universe still holds many secrets, and those secrets are far more enjoyable when you don't have a pre-disposition to a belief in any God; whatever shape that may take. How can we think freely and explore scientifically the theories of the multi-verse, string theory, intelligent life on other planets, space travel and what preceded the Big Bang when we are anchored to the Earth by a ball and chain called religion? It is enough to look up at the Milky Way and say, “here is my church”. I am not commanded to worship. I am COMPELLED to be astounded by its magnificence. And no matter what you believe or say, none of us has the slightest idea what will happen when we die. So live and learn, then die knowing you have embraced life. Be nice and fear not.

    January 6, 2012 at 8:09 pm |
    • Chrism

      I find the saddest thing about atheism is that it turns it's mind off to so much. Because its so arrogant, thinking what it can't see doesn't exist. Imagine a scientist being so blind as to think lack of evidence is the same as evidence of lack. What I find beautiful about faith is it goes hand in hand with science. Like Aristotle, newton, Kepler, Einstein, Mendel, LeMaitre and so many more I see evidence for God in nature. And those honest she humble scientists like Einstein specifically stated they do not want to be called an atheist for Einstein knew how arrogant and closed minded that position is. Praise God for the wonders of the universe. For the brains He gave us to observe and study. And for the faith He gives us to know beyond just what the eye can see!

      January 6, 2012 at 9:13 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      You should pray for the abiltiy to read! I am not an athiest.

      January 6, 2012 at 9:31 pm |
    • Chrism

      You know what, I'm glad to hear it. I'm glad to be wrong and my apologies. I will say growing up there were 3 categories. Believer, agnostic and atheist. When Huxley coined "agnostic" it was the middle ground. I know Dawkins now has his 7 pt scale and calls himself a 6. I see you say atheism, weak atheism and temporal agnosticism. Ok look, you know your belief. Frankly if you're an agnostic I'd just take Einstein's cue and call myself agnostic. I called myself agnostic for many years.

      January 6, 2012 at 9:41 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      Chrism
      What the fuk are you going on about? Are you trying to convince me of something, or validate yourself or what? You are boring a stupid. Go away!

      January 6, 2012 at 9:48 pm |
    • Wendy

      Chrism you said "I find the saddest thing about atheism is that it turns it's mind off to so much." -that'd be "its", but grammar aside, the saddest thing about your statement is that you might actually sincerely believe it. Your statement is false:

      Atheism simply does not take the absolute stance of belief, when there is not evidence to support such a stance. In fact the evidence does not point to the existence of a god such as the popular religions claim exists. That really seems like a reasonable position to take, and it hardly seems reasonable that a reasonable deity would later punish one for having taken it.

      January 6, 2012 at 9:55 pm |
    • Chrism

      Well Wendy thanks for the grammar correction my iPad keeps auto correcting when I don't want it to. As far as the rest though I must just protest it comes down to a semantic distinction. As I said somewhere earlier when I was growing up and for that matter when Huxley coinedmthe term "agnostic" it was meant to stand between two forms of positive assertion of belief. Theism meant "I believe there is a God" and atheism meant "I believe there is no God.". And agnostic was I don't know either way. Growing up I called myself an agnostic. I since have been shown and I now am a believer. I have evidence. I certainly respect the agnostic who wants evidence. I was in that boat. Einstein said in some ways He believed in Spinoza's God (which by the way is far more tha a God of nature) though in other places said you could call him agnostic but in humility he would not be called an atheist. Now my statement is not false, Wendy. It applies to my understanding of the traditional definition of atheist. It may not apply to you, but then like I said its semantics. You use a different definition.

      January 6, 2012 at 10:26 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I love it when idiots use technology as an excuse. Why didn't your God automatically correct your post, Chrism?

      Really, you are a hoot.

      January 6, 2012 at 10:33 pm |
  10. THE BIBLE IS GARBAGE

    I JUST WANT TO TOSS OFF OVERHAND WHEN I THINK OF A DAY WHEN POLITICIANS WILL SHUT UP ABOUT THEIR USELESS RELIGIOUS BELIEFS.

    January 6, 2012 at 8:08 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      Prayer changes things.

      January 6, 2012 at 8:10 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      In all seriousness, politicians must be the most miserable people on Earth. They know they are liars. They lie to their spouses, their children, their employees and their followers. They care about one thing and one thing only, themselves. They have to look at themselves in the mirror and somehow summon the strength to pursue yet another day of utter worthlessness and falsehood, all to appease their ego which can never truly be appeased.

      January 6, 2012 at 8:16 pm |
    • Keith

      Speaking of liars:
      Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and wh-oremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

      January 6, 2012 at 8:23 pm |
    • THE BIBLE IS GARBAGE

      OH NO MORE HELLFIRE BRIMSTONE! SHOVE IT KEITH. FOLD YOUR BIBLE IN HALF TWO TIMES, BEND OVER, AND CRAM IT SO HARD YOUR EYEBALLS GROW MOUTHS COMPLETE WITH TEETH AND SCREAM FOR MERCY.

      ONLY IDIOTS BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE.

      January 6, 2012 at 8:25 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      Keith, I don't know what my neighbors told you but it is not true! I am not fearful.

      January 6, 2012 at 8:29 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      @The Central Scrutinizer, I put all religious "leaders" (priests, pastors, shamans, rabbis, snake oil salesmen, televangelists,t ed.) in the same category as lying politicians.

      January 6, 2012 at 8:30 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      Hot Air
      Can't disagree with that!

      January 6, 2012 at 8:33 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      Keith, quick question, when you shove the Bible up your a.s.s, do you have to lube it up with K-Y, or is that a sin. I hope you don't have to go dry, ouch!

      January 6, 2012 at 8:36 pm |
    • THE BIBLE IS GARBAGE

      HE CAN USE SOME GASOLINE TO SOFTEN UP THE PAGES, POUND IT WITH SOME SALT AND LIGHT IT WITH A TORCH.

      January 6, 2012 at 8:39 pm |
    • captain america

      Add canadians to the list of hotair and take off the religious. hotair is known as a lying canadian whose opinion is not worth dog crap in America. There's your sign

      January 6, 2012 at 8:53 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Aww, poor little captain dufus. Did you get pwnd for using HS's handle again?

      Are you impotent in all areas? Or just here?

      January 6, 2012 at 10:52 pm |
  11. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    January 6, 2012 at 7:48 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      I know that “Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things“ never replies to anyone (rude) but none the less, I am compelled from boredom to ask a few questions. If it suits you praybie, please reply.
      First, are you pulling our legs? I think you are just a troll. But IF you are not then answer these questions regarding your rather unorthodox handle and posts (if you don’t reply, I will assume you are in fact just a troll):

      1. When you say that Atheism in not healthy for children AND other living things, does that mean that children must be present for Atheism to be unhealthy? If there are no children, is Atheism healthy for other living things? Also, is this a mental or physical health issue you are concerned about, and where did you find this information? I assume then that all creatures on all worlds, if they exist, are also adversely affected by Atheism, correct? Even if per chance they worship some other God besides the one you may or may not be referring to. You never actually state that religion is healthy, just prayer. Therefore, can you kindly explain what God is requiring this prayer so that we can all direct our prayers to the correct God?

      2. Prayer changes things

      Ok. The obvious question is what things does it change. Does it change things for the better or for the worse? Are you leading us down a blind alley here? Knowing what things it changes would be useful for those of us not familiar with the inherent value of prayer.

      3. The wonder of God is revealed in the discourse of prayer.

      Ok. By discourse are you claiming that we should all being have a conversation with God? Does God talk to you? If it is so easy, why doesn’t he just have town hall meetings and tell us what he wants, or ask us what we want. Or give us his email address. I prefer texting and email. When you say the “wonder” of god, do you mean you can see him, or feel him or what? I don’t get it. Did he touch you inappropriately? Tell the police, don’t let it go.

      4. Prayer is the life blood of the repentant sinner

      Are you a vampire? I knew there was some dark lord s.h.i.t going on here. Isn’t blood the life blood? How does one convert prayer to blood and then how does that circulate in our bodies exactly? Or do the prayers actually live in our circulatory systems? Now that would be weird. Please let us all know. What if we are not sinners? If I am a sinner and repent, why do I have to keep praying? What is the point of repenting and then having to keep doing the whole friggin’ thing all over again day in and day out?

      5. Prayer really changes things

      When you add “really” to the sentence, does that mean that you weren’t as sure earlier but now you feel more confident in prayer? Did it not “really” change things in your first line? Are you just teasing us? Prayer might just change things…..ok just kidding, it REALLY changes things, just playing around a little, my bad.

      Can’t wait to hear what you have to say on this.

      Oh one last thing, when you say to pray ceaselessly in 2012 umm….are you serious about that? When I am sleeping? When I am fuk'n, when am working… I mean I have to constantly pray? How can I keep my job? Please clarify, this just seems dam unreasonable to me.

      January 6, 2012 at 8:05 pm |
    • Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

      Prayer is the joy of heaven
      Brought down to man
      Prayer is the excitement of life
      Prayer is the encouragement
      That makes progress possible
      Prayer really changes things

      January 6, 2012 at 8:17 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      I know that “Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things“ never replies to anyone (rude) but none the less, I am compelled from boredom to ask a few questions. If it suits you praybie, please reply.
      First, are you pulling our legs? I think you are just a troll. But IF you are not then answer these questions regarding your rather unorthodox handle and posts (if you don’t reply, I will assume you are in fact just a troll)

      1. When you say that Atheism in not healthy for children AND other living things, does that mean that children must be present for Atheism to be unhealthy? If there are no children, is Atheism healthy for other living things? Also, is this a mental or physical health issue you are concerned about, and where did you find this information? I assume then that all creatures on all worlds, if they exist, are also adversely affected by Atheism, correct? Even if per chance they worship some other God besides the one you may or may not be referring to. You never actually state that religion is healthy, just prayer. Therefore, can you kindly explain what God is requiring this prayer so that we can all direct our prayers to the correct God?

      2. Prayer changes things

      Ok. The obvious question is what things does it change. Does it change things for the better or for the worse? Are you leading us down a blind alley here? Knowing what things it changes would be useful for those of us not familiar with the inherent value of prayer.

      3. The wonder of God is revealed in the discourse of prayer.

      Ok. By discourse are you claiming that we should all being have a conversation with God? Does God talk to you? If it is so easy, why doesn’t he just have town hall meetings and tell us what he wants, or ask us what we want. Or give us his email address. I prefer texting and email. When you say the “wonder” of god, do you mean you can see him, or feel him or what? I don’t get it. Did he touch you inappropriately? Tell the police, don’t let it go.

      4. Prayer is the life blood of the repentant sinner

      Are you a vampire? I knew there was some dark lord s.h.i.t going on here. Isn’t blood the life blood? How does one convert prayer to blood and then how does that circulate in our bodies exactly? Or do the prayers actually live in our circulatory systems? Now that would be weird. Please let us all know. What if we are not sinners? If I am a sinner and repent, why do I have to keep praying? What is the point of repenting and then having to keep doing the whole friggin’ thing all over again day in and day out?

      5. Prayer really changes things

      When you add “really” to the sentence, does that mean that you weren’t as sure earlier but now you feel more confident in prayer? Did it not “really” change things in your first line? Are you just teasing us? Prayer might just change things…..ok just kidding, it REALLY changes things, just playing around a little, my bad.

      Can’t wait to hear what you have to say on this.

      Oh one last thing, when you say to pray ceaselessly in 2012 umm….are you serious about that? When I am sleeping? When I am fuk'n, when am working… I mean I have to constantly pray? How can I keep my job? Please clarify, this just seems dam unreasonable to me.

      January 6, 2012 at 8:40 pm |
    • Chrism

      @Centralscrewtiny, mind if I answer since you're asking?

      1. Why all the confusion? He obviously meant atheism is unhealthy when children are taught it. for adults too. People recover better from illness and succeed in recovery programs better when healing and faith are integrated.

      2. For the better. Examples: Amy Wall, William Glisson Jr.

      3. Prayer is communication with God. No DSL required. (please don't call others rude again. You're intentional misinterpretations and pestering sarcastic questions are very rude)

      4. After intentionally misinterpreting lifeblood as literal you ask about sin. Why ask someone else? What do you think?

      5. My guess is he added really for emphasis especially for people like you – you know, to make a point.

      Have a great day and God bless you. By the way, God made you and He loves you.

      January 6, 2012 at 9:01 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      Chrism. you are just rude. Oh, and you are an idiot. But rude for sure.

      Now, if you wish to agrue with me, please do. But you have to do better then the nonsense I have seen so far. I will crush you, but you can try.

      January 6, 2012 at 9:38 pm |
    • Chrism

      I'm rude? Maybe, but let's retrace shall we? You called this other fellow rude first. And for what? For not responding? As if we all respond to all posts – sometimes we leave pages you know. It's not really rude like you claimed. But at least you gave a reason. Now your post. Do you deny it's rude? Look at it. Super long. You intentionally bombard this other poster with questions that you know are intentional misinterpretations. Look how you take lifeblood literally when you knew it wasn't. That's rude and you know it. So I called you out. I don't always. But you really stuck it to this other person now didn't you? Why? Why be so nasty? Do you fancy yourself smarter than them? What if you are? Then shouldn't you be the bigger person? Don't you at least believe in the golden rule? Treat others as you'd be treated? I don't like to see anyone mistreated. So I took it upon myself to say something. NoI want to call me rude? Go ahead, but what's your basis? You didn't give a reason this time. Did I fail to respond to you? What did I do that was rude? Maybe calling you Screwtinizer ok that was rude. Lol. I figure you can take it, right? Crush me? Lol you've got to be kidding. Really sorry i don't mean to laugh. I'd step in the boxing ring with you and see what you could do. But you want to insult me? Dude that's pathetic.

      January 6, 2012 at 9:50 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      Chrism
      I would read your post but you are so boring and stupid, I think I willl watch a movie isstead. Good luck with whatever. CS

      January 6, 2012 at 9:55 pm |
  12. The Central Scrutinizer

    Ode to Timmy

    A darkening room
    Light from a naked bulb swinging as a singular breeze pushes a wavy lock
    Tap
    Tap tap
    Two fingers
    Sweating palms
    Concentrating on those who would reveal his sad truth
    Must reply
    Then, brilliance
    Only to be replaced by mounting despair
    Timmy’s got nothing
    Timmy’s got nothing he types again
    The growing pool of foul wetness grows between his feet

    January 6, 2012 at 6:48 pm |
    • Martin Barre

      "Central Scrutinizer
      Yeah, you're a real mother of invention alright. Didn't Zappa try to tell you not to eat the yellow snow?

      January 6, 2012 at 7:14 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      Certainly he did. And?

      January 6, 2012 at 7:25 pm |
    • Timmy never really read the Bible

      Wow, CS. It was all banter. I had no idea you fell in love with me.

      January 6, 2012 at 8:32 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      Timmy, the CS occasionally likes to honor the handicapped on these blogs. You are welcome. An adult diaper will help you while you are being pummeled by grownups on a regular basis.

      January 6, 2012 at 8:44 pm |
    • Chrism

      Screwtinizer were you picked on as a little boy? Look at you do you think you are brave? Hiding behind your keyboard insulting others? You're a coward. Maybe you're in a cycle of abuse. Did your dad beat you? You should get some help.

      January 6, 2012 at 9:06 pm |
    • Chrism

      Come on insult me Screwtinizer. You're a big smart brave guy right? I'm sure you can find something about sweaty lightbulbs in that clever brain of yours.

      January 6, 2012 at 9:08 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      Chrism
      The nice thing about you is you do all the work for me.

      January 6, 2012 at 9:51 pm |
    • Chrism

      @CS I'm sorry I apologize I was being up unkind and harsh. I came on here and I was upset you were picking on this other guy Tim. I got mad at you and I wanted to stop you from picking on him. Sorry I was unkind. You seem like an intelligent fellow, but you know if you are smarter than other ps here how about trying to be the bigger person and not pick on them? I hope there are no hard feelings.

      January 6, 2012 at 11:24 pm |
  13. Iqbal khan

    Promoting War on Iran

    By Stephen Lendman

    Iran poses no belligerent or terrorist threat. In contrast, America, key NATO partners and Israel are global menaces. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30171.htm

    The US-Iran Economic War

    By Pepe Escobar

    Here's a crash course on how to further wreck the global economy. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30172.htm

    Drone Wars
    U.S. Turns to Drones to "Counter" China

    By MICHAEL RICHARDSON

    The United States aims to deploy sea-based drones on its aircraft carriers in the Pacific by 2018. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30174.htm

    January 6, 2012 at 6:05 pm |
  14. Colin

    If the Christian sky-fairy was real, why did he make the atheists and agnostics so smart and the evangelicals so dumb? About 90% of the simpletons think the World is 6,000 years old and deny global warming.

    I guess, if, in the 21st Century, you still believe in Bronze Age Palestinian mythology, you will believe anything!!

    January 6, 2012 at 4:18 pm |
    • o.k.

      Prove it. If you are so smart (and I'll take my 7+ years of secular college and multiple degrees against your "whatever" in a heartbeat), why do you rely on useless and most certainly hyperbolic statistics to make your point. "90%"? Where did you pull that nugget from? I've met a number of believers who couldn't add 2 + 2, but I've also met more who have college degrees (from the same colleges the atheists came from) and plenty with advanced degrees. Likewise, I've met my share of not too bright atheists as well. You don't have to insult someone to get your point across–unless of course your point is so baseless as to be pointless.

      January 6, 2012 at 4:39 pm |
    • .....

      Ok

      pot meet kettle, kettle meet pot.

      January 6, 2012 at 4:41 pm |
    • o.k.

      @- What a moronic response! I'm not the one throwing out absurd statistics. In what way did I reflect the same unsubstantiated post as Colin? I simply challenged him on his "facts." (The irony is rich here...-...not the sharpest knife in the drawer.)

      January 6, 2012 at 5:00 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      I like eggs.

      January 6, 2012 at 5:04 pm |
    • Besmus

      ho. k. Advanced degrees from Bible Humper U. count no higher than kindergarten. Less, actually.

      January 6, 2012 at 5:14 pm |
    • o.k.

      Thanks Central. I'll keep that in mind next time I post. Now I'm sure your mommy needs you to come up from the basement–its almost dinner time. (She scrambled them for you today.)

      January 6, 2012 at 5:14 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      I likes em scrambled, over-easy, poached, sunny side up, hard-boiled, soft-boiled, over-medium, I LOVES eggs.

      January 6, 2012 at 5:18 pm |
    • o.k.

      @Besmus...didn't go to Bible Humper U. Read my post smarty pants. Most of the highly educated believers I know also went to secular schools. Indeed, my last pastor (now retired) was an MIT grad, as one of many such examples. Like Colin, you revert to baseless accusations...how very intelligent.

      January 6, 2012 at 5:19 pm |
    • J.W

      I think what Besmus did was called the ad hominum fallacy? Where is Fallacy Spotting 101 when you need him?

      January 6, 2012 at 5:21 pm |
    • Cyle

      @ o.k. – just curious, with your multiple degrees and 7+ years of college, how you can continue to express a belief in a 1600 year old story about a man who people claim to be the son of a mesopotamian diety. Where's your evidence of the existence of a higher power.

      Put simply, the onus is on you to prove such an extraordinary claim, not for us to prove it's non-existence. You can no more prove the existence of a god that I can of prove that there is an invisible unicorn in my office. (there is)

      January 6, 2012 at 5:30 pm |
    • o.k.

      @J.W. – ad hominem–using a negative trait of the speaker as evidence that his statement if false (or weak). Not sure if that applies here–still his/her argument is certainly non sequitur. (Besmus–you can look these words up in a dictionary.)

      January 6, 2012 at 5:33 pm |
    • gupsphoo

      If you believe the Universe is only about 6,000 years old, you simply can't claim to be an intelligent person. Multiple fields of science have already confirmed that such a stupid notion is wrong by many, many orders of magnitude.

      January 6, 2012 at 5:36 pm |
    • o.k.

      @Cyle–fair question (although I can't help but note that no one has come to Colin's aid here–can we agree that his facts are useless?) My response to you is that I have no onus anymore than you do. I believe what I believe and you believe what you believe. If you choose not to believe what I believe, that is your chose (and visa versa). My faith (which inherently is a belief in what, on its face, is admittedly difficult to believe) is based upon observations and study, all of which I couldn't possibly relate to you in a post such as this (that's not a cop out–its just reality). I don't push my faith on others (although I'm free to share it with those who agree to listen/read), and I have the utmost respect for all people (even when I disagree with them) so I don't feel I have to try to prove anything in a venue such as this.

      January 6, 2012 at 5:42 pm |
    • o.k.

      @gupsphoo...also a fair comment. I personally don't subscribe to the 6,000 year old theory (that's not a dispute of biblical principals–I believe there is room for different reasonable interpretations (on this subject) without rejecting the Bible as God's Word). More to the point, however, as a matter of Christian faith and salvation (and this argument is directed to my fellow believers) whether the world is 6k or 6 billion years old is totally irrelevant to a Christian belief and lifestyle. In other words–its not an issue I remotely care about–it doesn't increase my faith, put food on the table or keep me up at night.

      January 6, 2012 at 5:45 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      @o.k.
      Shut yer trap and fix me some god dam eggs. We know your just a lying fry cook!! OVER EASY

      January 6, 2012 at 5:56 pm |
    • o.k.

      @Cyle...forgot to add...please tell me you've named your unicorn Gary. (Brownie points for anyone who can identify that reference.)

      January 6, 2012 at 6:01 pm |
    • o.k.

      Central...your eggs are done. There now outside, on the front porch (that's that place that isn't your mother's basement.)

      January 6, 2012 at 6:02 pm |
    • o.k.

      oops..typed too quick there Central..."they're now outside"

      January 6, 2012 at 6:03 pm |
    • o.k.

      It's o.k. to be gay. I am.

      January 6, 2012 at 6:19 pm |
    • o.k.

      To the imposter o.k.–be whatever you want to be–just don't be me.

      January 6, 2012 at 6:31 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      o.k.
      You are alright in my book. Loves me some eggs. Stay Gay!

      January 6, 2012 at 6:37 pm |
    • o.k.

      To imposter o.k. and Central–just for you, this one time, on this post only, I'll be gay. And with that, I leave you all to the next debate–for which there is a 90% chance Colin will initiate it.

      January 6, 2012 at 6:48 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      o.k.
      You can be happy on every post! I took Gay back. Your welcome.

      January 6, 2012 at 7:27 pm |
  15. all hail me

    suc.k my dic.k santorum – your wife said it tastes great. i'm the king of the world. prove me wrong!

    January 6, 2012 at 4:17 pm |
  16. The Central Scutinizer

    He is so Gay.

    January 6, 2012 at 3:11 pm |
    • The Central Scutinizer

      And by "Gay" I mean "happy" of course. I am taking "Gay" back.

      January 6, 2012 at 3:48 pm |
    • Timmy never really read the Bible

      Didn't you do that yesterday ? Sort of an odd habit I'd say.

      January 6, 2012 at 6:00 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      Odd habits are hard to break.

      January 6, 2012 at 6:40 pm |
  17. MANWILLSTOP ONEDAYHAHAHA

    MILLIONS TO BE ASSASSINATED FOR THE SAKE OF $$$ LIABILITIES(mk-ultra, chip implants, electroshocks etc. performed on them) AND NEW WORLD ORDER(multiculturalism = terrorism) POLITICAL AGENDA KNOWN AS "YOU ARE NEXT"(financial liabilities are 2 expensive for the government and it is cheaper to get read of you instead) !!! IF YOU WERE TREATED WITH ELECTROSHOCKS OR DRUGS USED FOR WIPING OUT MEMORY(numerous Americans and Europeans were and are) AFTER ENDURING FORCED CHIP IMPLANTS(or to retard individual = how homeless people are produced), YOU ARE SCHEDULED NEXT !!!

    NOW YOU KNOW WHAT ORWELLIAN UNITED STATES CONGRESS(USSR#2) IS SOOO BUSY WHEN PLAYING/CLOWNING(acting) IN FRONT OF CAMERAS ONLY HOW SOMETHING HAVE TO BE DONE(deliberately omitting/delaying facts of genocide as seen on this complain) !!!

    http://myshortbiography.blogspot.com/

    LEARN TRUTH ABOUT UNITED NATIONS, AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL AS WELL AS NEW WORLD ORDER(MULTICULTURALISM = TERRORISM) GOVERNMENTS(Equal Employment Opportunity Commission) !!! NOT THERE TO PROTECT YOUR RIGHTS, BUT TO DENY YOUR RIGHT TO EXISTENCE !!!

    ABDUCTIONS / FORCED BRAIN CHIP IMPLANTS / BLACKLISTING / FORCEFUL UNEMPLOYMENT / MK-ULTRA BRAINWASHING AGAINST WHITE(under "NAZI" lie) CIVILIAN POPULATION TODAY IN 2011/2012 ACROSS THE EUROPE AND NORTHERN AMERICA !!!

    http://myshortbiography.blogspot.com/

    WHY TO ACCEPT LIABILITIES FOR CRIMES COMMITTED WHEN WE CAN SIMPLY ASSASSINATE OUR VICTIMS(YOU) THANKS TO HUMAN RIGHTS ORGANIZATIONS AND FREE PRESS/MEDIA(most severe censorship of genocide ever !!!)!!
    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xGfYOAydjw&w=640&h=390]
    OR
    http://www.youtube.com/user/BostjanAvsec OBAMA'S HEALTH CARE RECORDED LIVE IN 2009 !!! These are hard facts about lunatic Obama/Bush's twilight zone administrations(HORROR) or genocide against whites per ZIONIST Washington DC and in complete agreement with communist Moscow !!!

    EXILING WHITES(US citizens) WITH EXTREME PREJUDICE AND IMPORTING NON WHITES IMMIGRATION REQUIREMENTS FREE !!!

    January 6, 2012 at 2:51 pm |
    • ......

      Report abuse on this troll. Repeat offender. CNN does pay attention if enough of us report.

      January 6, 2012 at 3:09 pm |
    • The Central Scutinizer

      @MANWILLSTOP ONEDAYHAHAHA

      Right on man. Power to the people. Hari Krishna all you groovy freeks!

      January 6, 2012 at 3:17 pm |
  18. Buster

    There's a pretty strong correlation between intelligence and lack of religious belief.

    January 6, 2012 at 2:25 pm |
    • Joe from CT, not Lieberman

      Buster, it is not so much as the correlation between being educated (and not at one of those colleges where the only major is bible studies) and lack of religious belief as it is between being educated and not blindly adhering to religious doctrines, preachers or organizations that espouse blind obedience to their teachings. I attend a "mainstream" Protestant denomination church, and we have people of all educational levels in attendance. The major difference you would note is in the adult discussion groups (Sunday School if you prefer), the level of discussion goes waaay beyond anything dreamed of in the old Baltimore Catechism we were stuck using back when I attended Catholic School in the 60s. Unfortunately, Rick Santorum never got away from the 60s Catechism mindset.

      January 6, 2012 at 3:19 pm |
    • Buster

      Joe, you're on your way. Good going. Take a few more steps.

      January 6, 2012 at 4:11 pm |
  19. momoya

    It'd be child's play to take this guy out in a debate. I wonder when it will happen. Entertainment for all!!

    January 6, 2012 at 1:10 pm |
  20. MartinT

    Santorum is scary religious. I mean taking a 20 week old dead premie home to "meet the kids" his stance on abortion, and gay rights; there isn't ONE thing about the guy that appeals to me as a potential Presidential Candidate. Imagine this NUTJOB in the WhiteHouse with HIS finger on the button. Imagine this NUTJOB being wakend at 3am.. NO don't imagine it, it's just too frightening.

    January 6, 2012 at 11:39 am |
    • J.W

      Thats why you should hope he gets nominated. He will never win in the general election.

      January 6, 2012 at 11:48 am |
    • MartinT

      Don't get me wrong, I want the guy to win the Republicant nomination, just the whole idea of him in the White House is SCARY!

      January 6, 2012 at 12:02 pm |
    • OhPlz

      "I want the guy to win the Republicant nomination,"

      It will be great if he does, then Obama can bring out the fact he was on the list of "Most Corrupt Members of Congress" for both 2005 and 2006.

      January 6, 2012 at 12:19 pm |
    • MartinT

      Obama will eat any of the Republicant's nominees for lunch. The ONLY candidate who can even remotely hold a debate with Obama is the Grinchster, and his baggage and head are too big to fit into a debate arena.

      Santorum couldn't even debate same s-e-x marriage with a bunch of college kids yesterday, imagine what Obama would do to him.

      January 6, 2012 at 12:23 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Santorum is a complete embarrassment. He makes me ashamed to be from Pennsyltucky. People like him are the reason I left for greener pastures.

      January 6, 2012 at 10:13 pm |
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