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Romney, a Mormon, gets support from ex-ambassadors to the Vatican
January 7th, 2012
03:14 PM ET

Romney, a Mormon, gets support from ex-ambassadors to the Vatican

By Ashley Killough, CNN

(CNN) - Bypassing two GOP presidential candidates known for their Catholic faith, five former U.S. Ambassadors to the Holy See threw their support behind frontrunner Mitt Romney, a devout Mormon.

In a letter blasted out by Romney's campaign on Saturday, the ambassadors lauded the former Massachusetts governor for understanding "the importance of strong families as pillars of a vibrant economy and a flourishing polity."

The endorsement comes as a knock against Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich, two candidates who don't shy away from talking about their Catholic faith on the campaign trail.

FULL STORY
- Dan Merica

Filed under: Catholic Church • Mitt Romney • Politics • United States • Vatican

soundoff (55 Responses)
  1. kenny

    I had read thie issue regarding Mitt Romney from the start up to now.I am not so much religionist as most usually do.What I care about is America does not care if you are a Catholic,Baptist,Mormon believer or an Athiest name it....The most importany is the qualification.Who do you think is really qualified to be a president of America and WHY?......I want some answer from you folks.

    January 10, 2012 at 4:29 am |
  2. Iqbal Khan

    Iran: It's Déjà Vu All Over Again

    By Aijaz Zaka Syed

    Little seems to change in..... http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30176.htm

    Imminent Iran Nuclear Threat?
    A Timeline Of Warnings Since 1979

    By Scott Peterson

    Breathless predictions that the Islamic Republic will soon be at the brink of nuclear capability, or – worse – acquire an actual nuclear bomb, are not new. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30177.htm

    January 9, 2012 at 10:47 pm |
    • Abinadi

      Who is this guy? Propaganda from Iran?

      January 10, 2012 at 12:19 am |
    • Reality

      Our War on Terror and Aggression:

      An update (or how we are spending or how we have spent the USA taxpayers’ money to eliminate global terror and aggression)

      The terror and aggression via a Partial and Recent Body Count

      And the koranic/mosque driven acts of terror and horror continue:

      The Muslim Conquest of India – 11th to 18th century

      ■"The likely death toll is somewhere between 2 million and 80 million. The geometric mean of those two limits is 12.7 million. "

      and the 19 million killed in the Mideast Slave Trade 7C-19C by Muslims.

      and more recently

      1a) 179 killed in Mumbai/Bombay, 290 injured

      1b) Assassination of Benazir Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh

      2) 9/11, 3000 mostly US citizens, 1000’s injured

      3) The 24/7 Sunni-Shiite centuries-old blood feud currently being carried out in Iraq, US troops killed in action, 3,480 and 928 in non combat roles. 102,522 – 112,049 Iraqi civilians killed as of 9/16/2011/, mostly due to suicide bombers, land mines and bombs of various types, http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ and http://www.defenselink.mil/news/casualty.pdf

      4) Kenya- In Nairobi, about 212 people were killed and an estimated 4000 injured; in Dar es Salaam, the attack killed at least 11 and wounded 85.[2]

      5) Bali-in 2002-killing 202 people, 164 of whom were foreign nationals, and 38 Indonesian citizens. A further 209 people were injured.

      6) Bali in 2005- Twenty people were killed, and 129 people were injured by three bombers who killed themselves in the attacks.

      7) Spain in 2004- killing 191 people and wounding 2,050.

      8. UK in 2005- The bombings killed 52 commuters and the four radical Islamic suicide bombers, injured 700.

      9) The execution of an eloping couple in Afghanistan on 04/15/2009 by the Taliban.

      10) – Afghanistan: US troops 1,385 killed in action, 273 killed in non-combat situations as of 09/15/2011. Over 40,000 Afghan civilians killed due to the dark-age, koranic-driven Taliban acts of horror

      11) The killing of 13 citizen soldiers at Ft. Hood by a follower of the koran.

      12) 38 Russian citizens killed on March 29, 2010 by Muslim women suicide bombers.

      13) The May 28, 2010 attack on a Islamic religious minority in Pakistan, which have left 98 dead,

      14) Lockerbie is known internationally as the site where, on 21 December 1988, the wreckage of Pan Am Flight 103 crashed as a result of a terrorist bomb. In the United Kingdom the event is referred to as the Lockerbie disaster, the Lockerbie bombing, or simply Lockerbie. Eleven townspeople were killed in Sherwood Crescent, where the plane's wings and fuel tanks plummeted in a fiery explosion, destroying several houses and leaving a huge crater, with debris causing damage to a number of buildings nearby. The 270 fatalities (259 on the plane, 11 in Lockerbie) were citizens of 21 nations.

      15 The daily suicide and/or roadside and/or mosque bombings in the terror world of Islam.

      16) Bombs sent from Yemen by followers of the koran which fortunately were discovered before the bombs were detonated.

      17) The killing of 58 Christians in a Catholic church in one of the latest acts of horror and terror in Iraq.

      18) Moscow airport suicide bombing: 35 dead, 130 injured. January 25, 2011.

      19) A Pakistani minister, who had said he was getting death threats because of his stance against the country's controversial blasphemy law, was shot and killed Wednesday, 3/2/2011

      20) two American troops killed in Germany by a recently radicalized Muslim, 3/3/2011

      21) the kidnapping and apparent killing of a follower of Zoraster in the dark world of Islamic Pakistan.

      22) Shariatpur, Bangladesh (CNN 3/30/2011) - Hena Akhter's last words to her mother proclaimed her innocence. But it was too late to save the 14-year-old girl. Her fellow villagers in Bangladesh's Shariatpur district had already passed harsh judgment on her. Guilty, they said, of having an affair with a married man. The imam from the local mosque ordered the fatwa, or religious ruling, and the punishment: 101 lashes delivered swiftly, deliberately in public. Hena dropped after 70 and died a week later.

      23) "October 4, 2011, 100 die as a truck loaded with drums of fuel exploded Tuesday at the gate of compound housing several government ministries on a busy Mogadishu street. It was the deadliest single bombing carried out by the al Qaeda-linked al-Shabab group in Somalia since their insurgency began. "
      Continued below:
      Other elements of our War on Terror and Aggression:

      -Operation Iraqi Freedom- The 24/7 Sunni-Shiite centuries-old blood feud currently being carried out in Iraq, US Troops killed in action, 3,480 and 928 in non combat roles as of 09/15/2011/, 102,522 – 112,049 Iraqi civilians killed as of 9/16/2011/, mostly due to suicide bombers, land mines and bombs of various types, http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ and http://www.defenselink.mil/news/casualty.pdf

      – Operation Enduring Freedom in Afghanistan: US troops 1,385 killed in action, 273 killed in non-combat situations as of 09/15/2011. Over 40,000 Afghan civilians killed mostly due to the dark-age, koranic-driven Taliban acts of horror,

      – Sa-dd-am, his sons and major he-nchmen have been deleted. Sa-dd-am's bravado about WMD was one of his major mistakes. Kuwait was saved.

      – Iran is being been contained. (beside containing the Sunni-Shiite civil war in Baghdad, that is the main reason we are in Iraq. And yes, essential oil continues to flow from the region.)

      – North Korea is still u-ncivil but is contained.

      – Northern Ireland is finally at peace.

      – The Jews and Palestinians are being separated by walls. Hopefully the walls will follow the 1948 UN accords. Unfortunately the Annapolis Peace Conference was not successful. And unfortunately the recent events in Gaza has put this situation back to “squ-are one”. And this significant stupidity is driven by the mythical foundations of both religions!!!

      – – Fa-na–tical Islam has basically been contained to the Middle East but a wall between India and Pakistan would be a plus for world peace. Ditto for a wall between Afghanistan and Pakistan.

      – Timothy McVeigh was exe-cuted. Terry Nichols escaped the death penalty twice because of deadlocked juries. He was sentenced to 161 consecutive life terms without the possibility of parole,[3][7] and is incarcerated in ADX Florence, a super maximum security prison near Florence, Colorado. He shares a cellblock that is commonly referred to as "Bombers Row" with Ramzi Yousef and Ted Kaczynski

      – Eric Ru-dolph is spending three life terms in pri-son with no par-ole.

      – Jim Jones, David Koresh, Kaczynski, the "nuns" from Rwanda, and the KKK were all dealt with and either eliminated themselves or are being punished.

      – Islamic Sudan, Dar-fur and So-malia are still terror hot spots.
      – The terror and tor-ture of Muslims in Bosnia, Kosovo and Kuwait were ended by the proper application of the military forces of the USA and her freedom-loving friends. Ra-dovan Karadzic was finally captured on 7/23/08 and is charged with genocide, crimes against humanity and violations of the law of war – charges related to the 1992-1995 civil war that followed Bosnia-Herzegovina's secession from Yugoslavia.

      The capture of Ratko Mladić: (Serbian Cyrillic: Ратко Младић, pronounced [râtkɔ mlǎːditɕ], born 12 March 1943[1][2]) is an accused war criminal and a former Bosnian Serb military leader. On May 31, 2011, Mladić was extradited to The Hague, where he was processed at the detention center that holds suspects for the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY).[3] His trial began on 3 June 2011.

      – the bloody terror brought about by the Ja-panese, Na-zis and Co-mmunists was with great difficulty eliminated by the good guys.

      – Bin Laden was executed for crimes against humanity on May 1, 2011

      – Ditto for Anwar al-Awlaki on September 30, 2011

      January 10, 2012 at 12:46 am |
    • test

      @Reality

      Seriously, Too Much Information. Try to summarize, because not many really want to take the time to read that.

      January 16, 2012 at 11:33 am |
  3. Iqbal Khan

    The New York Times is Misleading the Public on Iran

    By Robert Naiman

    AIPAC is trying to trick the United States into another catastrophic war with a Middle Eastern country on behalf of the Likud Party's colonial ambitions, and the New York Times is misleading the public with allegations that say that the country is developing "weapons of mass destruction". http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30187.htm

    January 9, 2012 at 10:35 pm |
  4. Iqbal Khan

    Santorum: Iranians' 'Principle Virtue' To Die For God
    'Is An Encouragement For Them To Use' Nukes

    By Eli Clifton

    Santorum's Iran policy appears to be framed, in no small part, by his extremist views on Islam and a belief that the Islamic Republic's leadership is inherently irrational and suicidal.
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30191.htm

    January 9, 2012 at 10:25 pm |
  5. Iqbal Khan

    The New York Times is Misleading the Public on Iran

    By Robert Naiman

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30187.htm

    January 9, 2012 at 10:17 pm |
  6. uponthisrock

    WOW! I just tuned in. I can't belive these posts, then again I can.
    In the last days there will be 'scoffers' who for the sake of their own ignorance, and no excuse for their non-beliief, will make up lies and accuse believers of being fools. They refuse to give an answer or reason for the sun some 93 million miles away and shines on their lazy butts for a tan, at just the right temperature. They soothe their bodies with lakes and streams, food for them and their babies, and use the free oxygen that would kill them without it. They refuse to consider that the three things that keeps them from becoming cold gray corpse's- Oxyogen, water and food is made and delivered on a daily basis and if the Source were ever cut off they would perish- within ten days, no food, three days,no water and 3 minutes with no oxygen. Try to find the source of any of those three things without a Creator and you can't. Only a fool would say they exist with no
    "outside " help. "All the Kings horses and all the Kings men couldn't put humpty-dumpty together again" And all the un-believers and all the nay-sayers are no smarter than Humpty Dumpty living out their lives without inquiring about the fact
    that they may fall off that wall.
    The amazing thing is that God loves you, regardless of anything. "For God so loved the World that He sent His Son, that
    whoever would believe in His Son, regardless of past sins, would never perish but have an Everlasting -(NO Ending)Life!!
    John 3:16

    January 8, 2012 at 11:42 pm |
    • Jim

      We have developed much better ways to describe our world and the universe than were available over 2,000 years ago. Our ability to know about Oxygen, the distance to the Sun and the near ideal environment for water in all of its states is because of science. Science by its nature is secular. To attempt to discredit science by citing science is a Non sequitur. It is no longer necessary to place "because my God did it" into most of the mysteries of the Universe. If you do find a place where that phrase works, give us a few years, we'll have an explanation, that's been peer-reviewed and independently replicated.

      January 9, 2012 at 10:57 pm |
  7. Portland tony

    Doesn't anyone have a mind of their own? All I read from these comments is someone's regurgitation of some ancient author's writings ..ad nauseam!

    January 8, 2012 at 9:06 pm |
    • tea party

      agreed

      January 8, 2012 at 10:28 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Portland and Tea, you have free will to post elsewhere if you can't comprehend Jesus' truth.

      Amen.

      January 9, 2012 at 7:17 am |
  8. Portland tony

    So what....Ambassadors are political appointees. Since the Vatican is not a relatively important strategic foe or ally and 5 of the last 8 were appointed by Republicans.....,What's the big deal?

    January 8, 2012 at 3:14 pm |
  9. Reality

    Only for the "newbies":

    Romney believes that the horn-blowing angel Moroni appeared to the con artist Joe Smith. Not good for someone who wants to be president of any group !!! Obama "mouths" that he is Christian i.e. believes in gay Gabriel and war-mongering Michael the Archangel and Satan. BO's support of abortion however vitiates has Christianity as he is the leader of the Immoral Majority who are now the largest voting block in the country. Immoral Majority you ask??

    The 78 million voting "mothers and fathers" of aborted womb babies !!! (2012 -1973 Rowe vs. Wade = 39. 39 x 2 million = 78 million. Abortion rate in the USA as per the CDC is one million/yr.

    And the presidential popular vote in 2008? 69,456,897 for pro-abortion/choice BO, 59,934,814 for "pro-life" JM. The population of the Immoral Majority in 2008? ~ 70 million !!!!!!

    January 8, 2012 at 8:32 am |
    • Abinadi

      Unreality is an ex-mormon with a grudge.

      January 8, 2012 at 8:52 am |
    • Passion888

      I always wondered why the Christian God gives His followers the right to choose and if that makes God pro-choice. Hummmm.

      January 8, 2012 at 10:04 am |
    • Reality

      Only for the "newbies":

      The Apostles' Creed 2011: (updated by yours truly based on the studies of NT historians and theologians of the past 200 years)

      Should I believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
      and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
      human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven?????

      I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
      preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
      named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
      girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)

      Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
      the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

      He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
      a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of
      Jerusalem.

      Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
      many semi-fiction writers. A bodily resurrection and
      ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
      Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
      grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
      and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
      called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

      Amen

      January 8, 2012 at 11:15 am |
    • .........

      best response to reality? hit report abuse on every post

      January 8, 2012 at 12:59 pm |
  10. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    January 8, 2012 at 7:34 am |
    • tea party

      I guess no ever prays then

      January 8, 2012 at 10:29 pm |
  11. noolibs

    It bothers all libs that a Mormon who is Christian will beat the black boy in the WH this fall.

    January 8, 2012 at 4:31 am |
    • just helping out

      You can be a Mormon or a Christian, not both.

      January 8, 2012 at 7:35 am |
    • Abinadi

      Mormons are definitely Christians. If you would like to see for yourself, go to mormon.org.

      January 8, 2012 at 8:50 am |
    • just helping out

      Mormonism was invented mid 1800s as an alternate to Christianity. Until the late 1900s even Mormons would not have called themselves Christians and fundamental Mormon groups continue to be opposed to being called Christian. Mormons are not now nor have they ever been Christians.

      January 8, 2012 at 1:04 pm |
    • Abinadi

      That's ridiculous!

      January 8, 2012 at 6:29 pm |
    • just helping out

      That is historical fact, check it out.

      January 8, 2012 at 6:37 pm |
    • Abinadi

      You can't check out nothing.

      January 8, 2012 at 7:03 pm |
    • Abinadi

      You are bluffing. Quote your sources.

      January 8, 2012 at 7:04 pm |
    • just helping out

      Joseph Smith

      January 9, 2012 at 4:30 am |
  12. Jennifer Landsberger

    This doesn't surprise me...I think that one of the beliefs of any religious leader- ambassador to Holy See or not- is that they look at the person and issues, not just what denomination the candidate claims to be. This action is a perfect example (not that I'm a fan of any candidate at this point) of an ideal behavior I think the Christian world needs to work on today.

    Walk Into the Bible Study

    January 8, 2012 at 2:28 am |
  13. AvdBerg

    Sorry we forgot to mention our website in our earlier posting.

    http://WWW.AWORLDDECEIVED.CA

    January 7, 2012 at 8:12 pm |
    • Answer

      Still tripping on your falsehood. Funny.

      January 7, 2012 at 9:25 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Knock of the spam, Avdboob.

      January 7, 2012 at 10:22 pm |
    • Mr. Earthly Knowledge

      One of the biggest problem with religion is when you have religious Fanatics who actually quote scriptures, written by men thousands of years ago, and they actually believe that they know more than anyone; more than any of the 6 billion children of God. They start to believe that they are the voice of god, and start to do all the "ungodly" acts that eventually give Christianity a bad name. If you are a religions, god fearing person, I trust you would have a "personal relationship with god" (just as the all mighty god has a personal relationship with all his children who have been put on this earth, to go through the process of salvation). As a good Christian and person of god, to criticize others such as Romney for their belief, is no different than being a cult themselves. To live a like Jesus, is to follow his footsteps. Jesus was not out there criticizing Mormons or Catholics. Jesus traveled and preached the gospel. If you are a Mormon or a Catholic (or a Baptist) who lives a good righteous life and follows the 10 commandments, or you not a child of god? What makes you the only child of god?

      January 8, 2012 at 4:09 am |
  14. AvdBerg

    For a better understanding of the Mormon and the Catholic Church we invite you to read the articles ‘Mormon Church ~ Cult and Spiritual Harlot’, ‘The Mystery Babylon’ and ‘Popes and the Princes of This World’.

    The following is an excerpt of the article ‘Mormon Church ~ Cult and Spiritual Harlot’.

    "The authoritarian and autocratic teachings of the Mormon Church are similar to those of the Roman Church, whose goal it is to control the world through its dogma, which are after the wisdom of man (1 Cor. 2:4-7) and this world and not after God and the Gospel of Christ but rather an image of a false god and a false Christ (Matthew 24:24).

    When the Word of God records that we don’t wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, and against spiritual wickedness in high places, it is still extremely arduous to comprehend that the spirit of this world has deceived this whole world (Rev. 12:9).

    Consider the following that, despite the history and wickedness of the Papacy and the wicked life-history of Joseph Smith Jr. and Brigham Young, the Catholic Church and the Mormon Church still have millions of followers, confirming the words recorded in John 3:8 that men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. Don’t they even know that when the head is sick (corrupt), the whole body is sick (corrupt)?

    In September of 2010, a Mormon delegation consisting of Elder Gerald Causse, Bishop Richard C. Edgley, Elder M. Russell Ballard, Elder Ronald A. Rasband and Massimo de Feo, president of the Rome Italy Stake, visited at the Secretariat in Vatican City to meet with high-ranking Vatican officials. Of their visit with two cardinals, Elder Ballard spoke of common interests the LDS Church and Catholic churches share. “We are interested in moral values,” he said. Considering the history of both churches on moral issues the meeting between officials of both churches was definitely no coincidence. The mandate of the Mormon Church to build a temple in Rome is no coincidence either.”

    ~
    Our Ministry, which is in Christ and according to the Spirit of truth (John 14:17), has reached out to CNN and key contacts for more than two years but they continue to sensationalize news involving religious doctrines of which they have no knowledge, rather than convey a message of truth. Recently they even arranged to have all of our e-mails blocked to ensure we are no longer able to contact the writers in order to explain their deceptive articles.

    The purpose of our postings is to keep straight the way of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

    Also, for a better understanding of the above and what it means to be a Christian, we invite you to read the article ‘Can Christianity or Any Other Religion Save You?’ listed on our website.

    All of the other pages and articles will explain how and by whom this world has been deceived as confirmed by the Word of God in Revelation 12:9 and they will also explain what mankind must do to be reunited with God and to be able to understand the Bible.

    He that is spiritual judgeth (discerneth) all things, yet he himself is judged of no man (1 Cor. 2:15; 14:37; Proverbs 28:5; Gal. 6:1; Col. 1:9; John 3:8; 5:30; 8:15; 16:8-11).

    Seek, and ye will find (Matthew 7:7).

    January 7, 2012 at 7:58 pm |
    • Los Angeles

      You can quote all the biblical versus and chapters, but do note that what you quote was written and modified by many men to align to what they thought was said or done. The bible should be used as a reference and learnings of what to do/not to do. HOWEVER, to quote versus and sections of the bible to make your point is truly pointless. YOU need to first understand how the bible was compiled, and by whom plus the many revisions, sections removed, words added just to make the points you make. So, was the bible written by god or, written by men who believe that what is written is what god stated? From my point of view, religion is not the issue for any one. And religion should ONLY be between the person and their god. I judge a person with good "godly" values by what they do and trust me, a person does not need to read the bible to be a person who walks in the light of god. In fact, so many people are religious, and so many are sinners and go against what their god states is "sin".

      January 8, 2012 at 3:38 am |
    • AvdBerg

      Los Angeles

      Sin is a lot more than what by nature you have been made to believe. For a better understanding what it means we invite you to read the articles 'What is Sin?' and 'Victory over Sin' listed on our website http://www.aworlddeceived.ca

      The problem is that by nature you will not be able to understand it (1 Cor. 2:14). For this reason our message remains the same: Ye must repent and turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan (whose spirit he is of) unto God (Acts 26:18). Without the Baptism of Repentance (Mark 1:4) you will remain spiritually blind and separated from God.

      The Gospel we preach is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ (Gal. 1:11,12).

      January 8, 2012 at 10:07 am |
    • ......

      CULT ALERT – AvdBerg is a TROLL on this site. They have been proven LIARS and they are only here to sell their book and website. Click the report abuse link to get rid of this TROLL!

      January 8, 2012 at 12:12 pm |
  15. GET PACKING MOTOR MOUTHS

    SIT BACK THE SHOW WITH THE ELECTION IS JUST BEGINNING THE WINNER OF THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION IS GOING TO CHANGE ALL THE NASTY INCEST NOT TO MENTION MANY MORE LAWS THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE WE NEED MARTIAL LAW TO KEEP PEOPLE LIKE YOU IN CHECK

    January 7, 2012 at 7:37 pm |
  16. Tim

    Seems pretty similar to what Paul said to the Corinthians:

    There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
    There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
    (1 Cor 15:40-41)

    January 7, 2012 at 7:19 pm |
  17. Joe from CT, not Lieberman

    Please note, these two gents are US Citizens, and former ambassadors to the Vatican, not members of the clergy, not the head of any religion-based PAC. Their endorsement of Mitt Romney is similar to the endorsement of any other former ambassador for any candidate. Of course what amuses me is they are not backing the two Catholics running for the Republican nomination. You know, the Serial Adulterer and the guy who wants to impose Canon Law on the American Legal system.

    January 7, 2012 at 5:30 pm |
  18. The Central Scrutinizer

    An inconvenient truth

    A better question, why does anyone need to "interpret" the Bible? Shouldn't God want to deliver his message to mankind succinctly? Answer, because it was written by primitive and ignorant men a very long time ago. It is not inspired by God. It is not relevant in 2012.

    January 7, 2012 at 5:11 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Central, if you loved and followed Jesus' truth you'd know the answer. Since you refuse, you send your own soul to the eternal flames. Jesus just abides in your wishes.

      As long as you are sucking up oxygen, ask Jesus for forgiveness, then sin no more. While you are talking with Him ask Him to guide you to His truth and don't forget to tell Him you love Him.

      Peace be with you.

      Amen.

      January 7, 2012 at 8:19 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      Hi HS,
      Let's see:
      1. I am not a sinner whatever that is.
      2. Jesus is dead and when he lived he was just a dude like me.
      3. If he was cool, great, if not he could go fuk himself, who cares.
      4. Since he lived long before me, naturally I don't love him. I never new him.
      5. You are a silly boo boo.

      January 7, 2012 at 8:54 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      The Central Scrutinizer, you posted "Hi HS,
      Let's see:
      1. I am not a sinner whatever that is. (Answer, we are all sinners. No exceptions to the rules).
      2. Jesus is dead and when he lived he was just a dude like me. (Answer: Death is evil, Jesus came to wipe out evil).
      3. If he was cool, great, if not he could go fuk himself, who cares. (Answer: I love and care for Him and you should too).
      4. Since he lived long before me, naturally I don't love him. I never new him. (Answer: Stop being Lazy and read about Him in the book He had Holy men pen called the Bible).
      5. You are a silly boo boo. (Answer: You lost the debate plus your sound mind on this portion of your post).

      Amen.

      January 9, 2012 at 7:25 am |
    • Mirosal

      Your dead guy jesus instructed NO ONE to write anything down. The first 'gospels' were written until at least 30 years AFTER he was hung out to dry, so to speak. Not one author of your little new testament talked with, walked with, or ever met jesus.

      January 9, 2012 at 7:30 am |
  19. The Central Scrutinizer

    More fun with the Bible!

    Sarah, who is about 90 years old and has gone through menopause, laughs
    at God when he tells her that she will have a son. She asks God if she
    will "have pleasure" with her "Lord" [Abraham], when both are so very
    old. God assures her that he will return and impregnate her at the
    appointed time. 18:11-14

    God, who is planning another mass murder, is worried that Abraham might
    try to stop him. so he asks himself if he should hide his intentions
    from Abraham. 18:17

    "And the Lord went his way." Now where might that be? 18:33

    Lot [the just and righteous (2 Pet.2:7-8)] offers his daughters to a
    crowd of angel ra.pers. 19:8

    Lot's nameless wife looks back, and God turns her into a pillar of salt.
    19:26

    Lot and his daughters camp out in a cave for a while. The daughters get
    their "just and righteous" father drunk, and have s.e.xual intercourse
    with him, and each conceives and bears a son (wouldn't you know it!).
    Just another wholesome family values Bible story. 19:30-38

    "The Lord visited Sarah" and he "did unto Sarah as he had spoken." And
    "Sarah conceived and bare Abraham a son." (God-assisted conceptions
    never result in daughters.) 21:1-2

    These verses suggest that Ishmael was an infant when his father
    abandoned him, yet according to Gen.17:25 and Gen.21:5-8 he must have
    been about 16 years old. It must have been tough for poor Hagar to carry
    Ishmael on her shoulder and to then "cast him under one of the shrubs."
    21:14-18

    Abraham names the place where he nearly kills Isaac after Jehovah. But
    according to Ex.6:3, Abraham couldn't have known that God's name was
    Jehovah. 22:14

    God swears to himself. 22:16

    January 7, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
    • An inconvenient truth

      The worst Biblical interpreter on the planet would be light years ahead of this buffoon.

      January 7, 2012 at 4:35 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      An inconvenient truth

      And that would be because........????

      January 7, 2012 at 5:08 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Again, Reality hasn't the foggiest clue to what lessons Jesus taught or how said lessons fit into God's overall plan.

      Amen.

      January 7, 2012 at 8:14 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      HS
      Ok, so please fill me in.

      January 7, 2012 at 8:56 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Why haven't you responded, HS? How about you, incontinent lie? Why would it take you over an hour? You've been asked to give input. Don't you have any?

      You are a pair of morons.

      January 7, 2012 at 10:25 pm |
  20. The Central Scrutinizer

    More Get to Know Mitt!

    In LDS doctrine there are three heavens: the Celestial Kingdom, Terrestrial Kingdom, and Telestial Kingdom. The Celestial is the highest, where God and the ones who followed his law reside. The Terrestrial is the middle, where people who followed the Law of Moses reside. The Telestial is the lowest, where the ones who followed carnal law reside.

    D&C 76: 94-98
    94 They who dwell in his presence are the church of the Firstborn; and they see as they are seen, and know as they are known, having received of his fulness and of his grace;
    95 And he makes them equal in power, and in might, and in dominion.
    96 And the glory of the celestial is one, even as the glory of the sun is one.
    97 And the glory of the terrestrial is one, even as the glory of the moon is one.
    98 And the glory of the telestial is one, even as the glory of the stars is one; for as one star differs from another star in glory, even so differs one from another in glory in the telestial world;

    January 7, 2012 at 3:57 pm |
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