By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor
America’s Protestant pastors overwhelmingly reject the theory of evolution and are evenly split on whether the earth is 6,000 years old, according to a survey released Monday by the Southern Baptist Convention.
When asked if “God used evolution to create people," 73% of pastors disagreed - 64% said they strongly disagreed - compared to 12% who said they agree.
Asked whether the earth is approximately 6,000 years old, 46% agreed, compared to 43% who disagreed.
A movement called Young Earth creationism promotes the 6,000-year-old figure, arguing that it is rooted in the Bible. Scientists say the earth is about 4.5 billion years old.
The Southern Baptist Convention survey, which queried 1,000 American Protestant pastors, also found that 74% believe the biblical Adam and Eve were literal people.
“Recently discussions have pointed to doubts about a literal Adam and Eve, the age of the earth and other origin issues," said Ed Stetzer, president of LifeWay Research, a division of the Southern Baptist Convention, in a report on LifeWay’s site. “But Protestant pastors are overwhelmingly Creationists and believe in a literal Adam and Eve.”
The phone survey was conducted in May 2011, sampling ministers from randomly selected Protestant churches. The survey had a margin of error of plus or minus 3.2 percent, LifeWay said.
A 2010 Gallup poll found that 40% of Americans believe God created humans in their present form, versus 54% who said humans developed over millions of years.
Charlatans. Take away the non-profit status of their churches since they are selling snake oil.
Sad that this proves again the separation between faith and reason. The rejection of science is so troubling; do they believe that their cell phones work by some sort of magic?
Faith and religion are anachronisms, more properly belonging to an era long ago.
As in Blackwater Draw, the Clovis site?
I know i always try to say, that technology came from research and development. Getting it wrong a million times and asking why, how can we make this better?? If we followed the religious model on everything and felt we already had the answers, even though if you question them for even a second, as a 10 year old, you would realize they were absurd, there would be no bible adventure for your children to play with on Ipad to speak of LOL!!
Blackwater, yes, it's a shame that Jesus' spiritual truth teaches us how to take responsibility for our thoughts/beliefs/actions to live a mature, righteous life. Such a shame that science has uncovered what a bunch of Peter/Patricia Pans that are spiritually and emotionally stunted as they chronologically age are walking among us.
Well obviously a pastor will not overthrow the text of genesis in order to make way for a relatively new theory about fish transforming themselves into human beings ... I mean, what are we stupid?
I like how you say text of genesis as if it has some credibility. It is a STORY, written by a group of humans that intended to control the populace. Animals don't just transform into others, that's such an inaccurate view of evolution. Evolution encompasses slow changes over MILLIONS of years. We have proof of it all around us - how do you think we get such different dog and cat breeds? No, not god's magic but literally FORCED evolution.
Joshua, please look up the definition of a straw man argument.
Poll: 10 out of 10 people with brains think Pastors are full of crap.
Well, actually, no, because all those evangelicals do have brains.
However, 4 out of 5 dentists think that that 5th dentist is full of crap. No doubt about that.
Atheist, 10 out of those 10 pastors/priests KNOW you are spiritually and emotionally stunted for not learning Jesus' truth past the 1st/2nd grade level. Thank you science for your gift to uncover. Uncovering all the immature, spiritually stunted or spiritually dead that chronologically age walking among us in society. Special thanks to all the teachers of Jesus' truth that ensured the rest of us learned His wisdom.
a. Uncontrollable repeti-tion of a particular response, such as a word, phrase, or gesture, despite the absence or cessation of a stimulus, usually caused by brain injury or other organic disorder.
You've got it bad, Toots.
This just in...7 out of 10 pastors think that Jesus and Parasarolophus lived in the same era...LOL!!
10 out of 10 pastors believe in virgin births and divinity proved by zombie-ism. Why should it surprise you that they don't believe in evolution?
10 out of 10 decent people agree that mocking the beliefs of others is rude. The concepts of respect and decency seem to be taking a back set to Internet tough guy syndrome more and more each day......it's sad really.
When one persons absurd and obviously wrong "opinion" is held equally with another persons fact based "opinion" , things become very dangerous and unfair for the people who think for themselves. The fact of the matter is, scientist dont know EXACTLY ANYTHING, but they are trying to figure things out, but one thing is for sure Dynonychus and Velociraptor did not live 6000 or 5000 years ago PERIOD. Time to start getting real and putting these nutjobs in their place.
Using the technical definition for the term "Virgin" and using today's technology, achieving a virgin birth would be no problem using artificial insemination.
If our "God(s)" were space aliens, looked similar to us and had technology to get from one planet to another it is reasonable to consider that they had some form of artificial insemination technology...
NOW, if they had a similar genetic construct or superior skills of genetic manipulation, it would be a breeze to produce a virgin birth.
Gee Jose, I believe there is a clear cut difference between deliberately mocking the beliefs of others, and simply not accepting those beliefs as "equally valid." That is a false choice if I've ever heard one. If someone thinks on their own, they should not be threatened by having differing opinions treated with respect.
When your "beliefs" include the tenet that a virgin gave birth 2012 years ago and a dead man became alive three days later, then your beliefs deserve to be mocked. The science is quite clear when it comes to these two questions; eggs need sperm and dead people don't become zombies. I don't have to pretend to believe in this crap just because you do, Volleydan. Please don't make me mock you a third time, silly.
You're missing an important element of this particular discourse (BESIDES your obvious and intentional display of disdain and disrespect) and that is the definition of terms.
This whole zombie insult gets washed away when technology (which we both respect and rely on) is not up to current standards. The number of people who actually knew the difference between dead, unconscious, in a coma and sleeping was MUCH less understood in that time. In fact, a couple of hundred years ago, people had bells tied to their bodies before burial and people were paid to sit in the graveyard in case the "dead" had been misdiagnosed. So, respect in dissent is not an unworthy ideal to strive for.
When those "opinions" are based by not one "fact" and are absolutely ridiculous, and have no basis in science or reason....and go against every piece of scientific evidence ...and require "faith" in almost every single instance to even come close to accepting....while being told that you already have all the answers, they cease to be VALID. This country is in trouble unless we wise up and EDUCATE our people. Or ...we can become a ant mound of Gods and Clods, you know start the Feudal system all over again. Ive formulated my own opinion, which i KNOW IS NOT 100% CORRECT, but im trying. These morons ALREADY KNOW THE ANSWERS and they are uneducated and brainwashed...SAD!!
Perhaps for you, George, respect in dissent is a worthy ideal to strive for. Unfortunately, it is not an ideal I strive for. I'm a satirist, here to lambast the ill-gotten beliefs of the silly theists. I have no allegiance to the ideal that they should be allowed to continue propagating this fairy tale to the young and poor and ignorant without enduring a fair amount of ridicule.
Furthermore, I know that you would agree with me in saying that Christians don't actually believe that Jesus was just misdiagnosed. They clearly believe he rose from the dead, and that it proves his divinity. Which is patently absurd.
This just in ....7 out of 10 pastors not quite sold on the whole "gravity" thing....LOL
"Gravity" is a theory in crisis. Scientists have known for years that it is hopelessly flawed, but they keep up the conspiracy to keep the grant money flowing.
EXACTLY MY POINT. Scientist dont know EXACTLY ANYTHING, but they are trying, and they have some good fact based ideas. Religion says , why look we already know. The wise man knows that he doesnt know much, the ignorant man stops looking because he already knows everything.
Bit of a difference there, and this false analogy of the "theory of gravity" with the "theory of evolution" has been overused ad nauseum.
Gravity is an attempt to explain a phenomenon that is readily reproducible, every day, by anyone, and the mathematical modeling involved can be used to accurately predict motions.
Evolution, especially human evolution, on the other hand, takes place over such vast periods of time, that it cannot be directly observed. The theory is not there to attempt to explain readily observed reality. The theory cannot be tested directly, or have predictions directly validated.
That doesn't mean the theory is wrong, of course, far from it. It just makes the analogy wrong.
The discovery of genes and the subsequent sequencing of genomes provided the most straightforward tests of the predictions of biological evolution currently possible. Testing predictions is the most fundamental basis of science. When DNA evidence confirmed the relationships among different species as predicted by evolutionary theory, evolutionary theory was soundly confirmed. The fossil record is just icing on the cake.
Dude....they think dinosaurs and men lived together ....period.....f-ing stupid....bottom line.
It grieves me that the nation that sent men to the moon not 50 years ago has fallen this far. What a crime that this ignorance is allowed not only to exist, but to thrive.
I know its a crying shame, but it keeps people in line. Do you think this consumer based society would benefit from an intelligent populace, that asked questions and demanded facts and answers?? Thats not going to sell a lot of microwave dinners dude.
So what do you propose? Should we just scrap that whole First Amendment thing because you disagree with the beliefs of a few pastors on an issue that really isn't all that important anyway? Yeah – let's do that! New law: the only beliefs allowed in the United States are those held by tallulah!
Im saying it really isnt that important if people know a damn thing about science or math in this country as a matter of fact. This is a huge landmass with a few intelligent people (of which half are foriegners at this point lets be honest) and a HUGE population of ignorant, uneducated, know nothing hill billies. However thats what keeps this great consumer nation a chunkin and a chuckin on down them there tracks...LOL!!
No, volleydan. The first amendment protects us all. Even me. I guess you don't approve of my freedom of speech. Hypocrite.
Jose thinks that 1/2 of the intelligent people in this country are foreigners. Why don't you quiz the "foreigners" on their beliefs? You may be surprised. Also, you claim that there is a huge population of hillbillies in this country. How many hillbillies do you personally know?
It sounds like you live your life through the television and your comments reveal your ignorance.
to be honest...i threw the "foriegners" part to troll and anger someone like you...worked. No but seriously Koreans and Indians ar e going to have 50% of all the high paying tech and medical jobs in this country in decades at this rate. And by hill billies, I just ment most Americans in general. Hey 46% of PASTORS say the Earth is 6000 years old, even though there are fossil records....and tell tale signs or erosion from water, and wind and stuff like plate techtonics....dude this country is stupid as heck...and doomed.
tallulah, or should I say Patricia Pan? Jesus teaches us how to achieve righteous spiritual maturity in our thoughts/beliefs/actions. Science uncovers what is going on in our universe. Science also uncovered what a bunch of 1st and 2nd grade maturity levels we have walking around in chronological aged bodies in our society.
Stop using science to hide your immaturity. Grow up.
"Jesus teaches us how to achieve righteous spiritual maturity in our thoughts/beliefs/actions."
Just because you've read the bible doesn't make you mature. Christians from all walks of life claiming jesus's truth have done horrific and childish things. H.S. you missed this life lesson. Emotional maturity is defined as: the ability to express one’s own feelings and convictions balanced with consideration for the thoughts and feelings of others. It seems you still need to learn that lesson.
As a pastor, this saddens me that pastors are still fighting a war with science, a war which they have never won and will never win. Not only does it paint them as imbeciles, it paints Christians as brainwashed idiots.
Then by all means, speak up!
My uncle is a priest and he would be right there with you. Its time that the religious texts were taught as metaphors like they were originally intended to be used as. Unfortunately, that is not the agenda of the higher powers that be.
I like your open mindedness .. We need more INCLUSIVENESS .. we are here to learn to love each other..
Where do they get these pastors? I am currently attending a large evangelical seminary and I don't think any of my classmates actually believe in the young earth theory. No one I know has a problem with evolution as a scientific theory. We see the intent of the Bible to explain the "why" and leave science to detail the "how". Unfortunately, many pastors lack a higher education, even seminary.
Pastor of what? You have stated that belief in the Bible is for “brainwashed idiots” and imbeciles. Conceptually, a pastor ministers to people’s spiritual needs. But without turning to or believing in the foundation of the Bible, it can only be an empty ministry – void of anything truly having to do with God and salvation, only able to provide the value of flawed humanist thinking. “Do not deceive yourselves. If any one of you thinks he is wise by the standards of this age, he should become a “fool” so that he may become wise. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight.” (1 Corinthians 3:18,19)
Dan, science uncovered how our society has walking talking immature 1st and 2nd grader mentalities in chronologically aged bodies living among us. Jesus teaches us how to take responsibility for our thoughts/beliefs/actions to achieve righteousness in life. Thanks for writing one of the hundreds of immature posts on this blog. Finally, we know what we are dealing with. Until then, thanks to our men and women of the clothe on the front line of society for teaching Jesus' spiritual truth.
"Jesus teaches us how to take responsibility for our thoughts/beliefs/actions to achieve righteousness in life. "
Just because you've read the bible doesn't make you mature. Christians from all walks of life claiming jesus's truth have done horrific and childish things. H.S. you missed this life lesson. Emotional maturity is defined as: the ability to express one’s own feelings and convictions balanced with consideration for the thoughts and feelings of others. It seems you still need to learn that lesson based on your posts on this blog.
Hey, there's a reason that those guys are pastors, not science teachers, professors, or researchers.
I don't know what makes me sadder; the fact that so many people of faith seem to have such a hard time articulating and defending their faith, or that there are so many people willing to go to a blog on faith-based topics for no other reason then to insult the beliefs of others.
"THAN" to insult the beliefs of others.....stupid autocorrect.....
okay, so many men of the cloth believe in falsehoods and reject truth. any more "news"?
We are BORN to evolve. Each of us goes through a learning process, growing from infant to adult then devolving to death. Each generation adds to the knowledge of the previous one to move the species forward. Is it so hard to imagine that we adapt and evolve physically in the same way we do mentally and spiritually?
Evolution, according to Alfred Wallace, the guy who coined the term cause Darwin called it descent with modification, is the process in which the species changes with each generation due to the differences in their traits and the ability of those traits to allow its bearer to survive and reproduce. Changes that occur onto the individual during his or her own life time is not evolution.
By the strictest of definition, you're correct.
I was trying to point out the repeating process of evolving by saying that learning is a FORM of evolving and that the enlightenment transfers in the same general way that genetics cause us to adapt physically.
If you look at the word evolve in the context of my original statement, I don't think I got too far afield from the basic context of the word EVOLVE. In fact, I was purposeful not to use the word evolution because that word is so much narrower in definition.
Very, very sad. Such willful ignorance. And people put their faith in these folks?
So let me get this straight. God can create full grown, adult humans. God can create plants and animals of all different ages. God can create a mature sun and solar system. But God can't create an Earth that is mature and appears "older" than it actually is? Give me a break. I wish that the "science is the answer" crowd that hates the idea of God, and tries to box him in using the science that was created by HIM, could see how ignorant they look. You people are blinded by your bigotry.
But, Scott, you are assuming "we" believe that god does create fully adult humans. I have never seen evidence for that, either.
Yes, we can imagine an omnipotent and omniscient God who instantaneously created a universe that "looks old", cleverly burying successive generations of fossils in the same order in the sediment. We will have imagined a particularly tricksy God, one who went to a whole lot of trouble to create a world based on an illusion. He will have also created a lot of bizarre creatures with inexplicable short-comings and vestigial features and commonality that further props up this illusion that they evolved over millions of years.
If we're absolutely _determined_ that God be the answer, we can always craft a mythology based on one. It won't make a lick of sense, but it's simply impossible to ever disprove the existence or influence of a deity, the best we can do is come to understand the world around us enough to see why we don't require a deity to explain it all.
Dr.K., it doesn't really matter what you believe. You are trying to debunk Christianity, which believes that God did create adult humans. You can't just choose to ignore some beliefs while trying to debunk others.
Atheism=march of the lemmings
You're either confused about what an atheist is or about what a lemming is. Either way, you're confused.
He/she is pretty clear on dramatic punctuation, though. Good job with that.
The lemmings thing was actually staged by the film's crew. Also, a lot of atheists rejects the idea of God(s) because of the empirical evidences that they witnessed that shows that the religious texts and stories are flat out incorrect.
Yes, people that blindly folllow a book that is less believable than the Superman comic books simply becuase their parents told them to, are clearly not lemmings.
Anyone who uses deductive reasoning, facts, and indisputable evidence clearly is a lemming.
If God could create the earth, couldn't He create a being that could evolve? It's amazing that the world and the symbiosis of life could exist out of nothing. Random atoms simply existing, not created by anyone, just existing. They bump into each other and suddenly there are planets, animals, plants and intelligent life abounding, all dependent on one and other for their very existence. Just one big, incredible accident. If that is easier to believe than the existence of God, I have some beach front property to sell you.
smako, the problem with christian apologists is that if you refuse to take adam and eve literally, than it opens up the possibility for someone to refuse to take the resurrection of christ literally, or other parts of the bible. this instantly turns the bible into a possible work of mythology, aka fiction. this is one big reason why christians don't believe in evolution, although many do.
It sounds to me like you need to brush up on your cosmology and biology and get back to us. check with your local community college to get enrolled in some freshman classes, they will be very enjoyable and clean up some of your ignorance on the subjects in the process.
The fact that there is not currently a clear answer on the origins of all matter doesn't automatically render Genesis factual. I don't know how my microwave works, but that doesn't prove that tiny elves with magic blowtorches make my coffee hot.
Dr.K, you might not be intelligent enough to know how a microwave works, but many people are. The fact of the matter is that many brilliant scientists have spent centuries and trillions of dollars trying to disproved God, and prove that the universe created itself, and they haven't even come up with anything remotely believable. Sorry, but it goes way beyond just a lack of understanding. It isn't even physically possible.
Not correct. The issue of Adam’s importance has to do with falling from grace, i.e., introducing sin into man and separating him from God. “Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man [Adam], and death [hell, eternal separation from God] through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned” (Romans 5:12). If it can be argued that not all have sinned, by virtue of some sort of highly virtuous living, then it can be argued that those alleged “sinless” individuals do not need to be saved from the consequences of sin. But that is not what the Bible says. “For all have sinned and come short of the Glory of God” (Romans 3:23). Hence, such an erroneous argument of hypothetical “sinlessness” would lead to individuals going to Heaven without the need for redemption through Jesus Christ. Thus, carrying this erroneous argument further, Jesus’ death, was unnecessary (at least for some). In a similar vein, the proposition that man evolved from some sort of amoebic soup conjures the very same argument that one could argue that they had not “evolved to the point of being able to be sinful” (i.e., that their so-called sins were artifacts of incomplete or imperfect evolvement) and are thus blameless, by definition. No, God created man in His image, blameless, sinless, and with full on-on-one fellowship with Him. Man’s free will and rebellion (disobedience) led to taking on the knowledge of good and evil, thus sin entered into the world. That sin problem creates the separation, for eternity, from God, for everyone. Jesus is the recompense for all sins, past, present, and future, and the only acceptable payment. Rejection of Jesus and His death and resurrection, the payment for our sins, is the path to eternal separation from God.
Scott, my point was not that people do not know how microwave ovens work, nor that I am not capable if I were to look into it. My point is that just because I have not currently endeavored to understand it does not prove through some false dichotomy that it must be magic. Even if no person on earth understood microwave ovens, that still would not mean that the witch doctor who said it is voodoo is therefore correct.
The problem is that if adam and eve were metaphors, or if any one part of the bible is a metaphor, then it becomes extremely rational to suggest that other parts of the bible are metaphors also, including the resurrection of christ. jesus was beaten up when he was crucified, yet when he rose from the dead, he healed his wounds, and his deteriorating body, yet he did not heal the holes in his hands, to show his disciples it was really him, the same person, as if they couldn't tell by his face. yet any man with holes in his hands MUST be christ. there are so many holes in the bible it is ludicrous to say (even if you are a christian) that there is no possibility that the bible is a book written by human beings and like many things written by humans, can contain errors, fiction, exaggerations, interpolations, revisions, etc.
The bible was written by man, and the bible states all men are sinful. So, why shouldn't we take some parts with a grain of salt?
Not true. Jesus told many parables. The first part of 2 Sam 12 is a parable. Revelation is full of allegories. It is very possible to believe in the Bible and yet acknowledge the parables within. The story of Christ is obviously not intended to be a parable by the Biblical authors since they also gave their lives for it. I can't say the same about Gen. 1-11.
Anyone with literal beliefs, should read this other CNN opinion piece...
The coziness between church and state is good for the state and bad for the church.
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