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Survey: U.S. Protestant pastors reject evolution, split on Earth's age
January 10th, 2012
04:18 PM ET

Survey: U.S. Protestant pastors reject evolution, split on Earth's age

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

America’s Protestant pastors overwhelmingly reject the theory of evolution and are evenly split on whether the earth is 6,000 years old, according to a survey released Monday by the Southern Baptist Convention.

When asked if “God used evolution to create people," 73% of pastors disagreed - 64% said they strongly disagreed - compared to 12% who said they agree.

Asked whether the earth is approximately 6,000 years old, 46% agreed, compared to 43% who disagreed.

A movement called Young Earth creationism promotes the 6,000-year-old figure, arguing that it is rooted in the Bible. Scientists say the earth is about 4.5 billion years old.

The Southern Baptist Convention survey, which queried 1,000 American Protestant pastors, also found that 74% believe the biblical Adam and Eve were literal people.

“Recently discussions have pointed to doubts about a literal Adam and Eve, the age of the earth and other origin issues," said Ed Stetzer, president of LifeWay Research, a division of the Southern Baptist Convention, in a report on LifeWay’s site. “But Protestant pastors are overwhelmingly Creationists and believe in a literal Adam and Eve.”

The phone survey was conducted in May 2011, sampling ministers from randomly selected Protestant churches. The survey had a margin of error of plus or minus 3.2 percent, LifeWay said.

A 2010 Gallup poll found that 40% of Americans believe God created humans in their present form, versus 54% who said humans developed over millions of years.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Christianity • Science

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  1. CreatedbyGod

    Man-made artifacts – such as the hammer in Cretaceous rock, a human sandal print with trilobite in Cambrian rock, human footprints and a handprint in Cretaceous rock – point to the fact that all the supposed geologic periods actually occurred at the same time in the recent past.11

    January 11, 2012 at 11:18 am |
    • Vupra

      Liar.

      January 11, 2012 at 11:19 am |
    • Grumpster

      Yeah, and my bridge is still available for sale.

      January 11, 2012 at 11:20 am |
    • Primewonk

      Prototypical creationist lies.

      Unless, of course, you can supply the citations to peer-reviewd science that supports your contentions.

      January 11, 2012 at 11:32 am |
  2. Billy Bob Cletus Feckwood, III

    One word. Dinosaurs.

    January 11, 2012 at 11:16 am |
    • Rick W.

      Really with the dinosaurs again? Science tells you they are 65-200million years old. Thats convenient. The Bible tells me they lived with man. Job 40:15–24

      January 11, 2012 at 11:23 am |
    • JC in Western U.S.

      I teach science and I am with you. But the existence of dinosaurs doesn't provide evidence by itself of the age of the Earth. It requires that one also accept that rock forms over great lengths of time, and is evidence of previous environmental conditions. If you believe that God created the Earth as it is now, 6,000 years ago, you evidently don't have a problem dismissing all evidence to the contrary.

      The usefulness of dinosaurs in the debate is that if God's creations were created perfectly, no species would fail to survive. Failure to survive can be used as argument (but not evidence) that if God exists, he created life and allows it to follow the laws He created regarding survival.

      January 11, 2012 at 11:27 am |
    • Primewonk

      @ Rick - 15Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.

       16Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.

       17He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.

      Cool. Except that dinosaurs did not have navels – they weren't placental mammals. Nor did they have "stones" or external genitalia.

      January 11, 2012 at 11:38 am |
    • ReligionIs4Dolts

      The Flintstones is a true account of human history since humans and dinos lived side by side.....NOT!

      January 11, 2012 at 11:46 am |
    • God

      JC – you are living proof of the failure of evolution. You claim to teach science, but you espouce scientific crapQ!

      January 11, 2012 at 12:22 pm |
    • Grumpster

      Rick, your "boo" reads in riddles that are easily warped into any argument you care to make. Someone wrote some stories, they've adapted over the years to suit the needs of the church to fit whatever model they wanted to fend off that would threaten the church's power and flow of money. They were not, obviously, counting on the internet and the ability of smart people to finally get together and see through the absolute BS storybook it is. It's a bunch of bound paper, nothing more.

      January 11, 2012 at 1:25 pm |
  3. CreatedbyGod

    Physicist Robert Gentry has reported isolated radio halos of polonuim-214 in crystalline granite. The half-life of this element is 0.000164 seconds! To record the existence of this element in such short time span, the granite must be in crystalline state instantaneously.10 This runs counter to evolutionary estimates of 300 million years for granite to form.

    January 11, 2012 at 11:16 am |
    • Vupra

      You should be in a psychiatric ward.

      January 11, 2012 at 11:20 am |
    • Bill

      You're a lunatic. Do you think scientists went out to look for evidence intentionally trying to discredit the bible? No, they searched for facts and draw logical conclusions from those facts. You draw illogical conclusions from a fairytale story.

      January 11, 2012 at 11:28 am |
    • Primewonk

      Gentry is a quack. Why isn't his work on haloes published in peer-reviewed science journals? Anyway, here is the link that refutes this drivel – http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/po-halos/gentry.html

      January 11, 2012 at 11:42 am |
  4. CreatedbyGod

    World population growth rate in recent times is about 2% per year. Practicable application of growth rate throughout human history would be about half that number. Wars, disease, famine, etc. have wiped out approximately one third of the population on average every 82 years. Starting with eight people, and applying these growth rates since the Flood of Noah's day (about 4500 years ago) would give a total human population at just under six billion people. However, application on an evolutionary time scale runs into major difficulties. Starting with one "couple" just 41,000 years ago would give us a total population of 2 x 1089. 9The universe does not have space to hold so many bodies.

    January 11, 2012 at 11:16 am |
    • Vupra

      Wow, you are really crazy.

      January 11, 2012 at 11:17 am |
    • God

      You are a one man wrecking crew in favor of evolution.

      January 11, 2012 at 11:18 am |
    • Chuckles

      So who else thinks it's adorable when people like CreatedbyGod simultaneously try to use science to prove creationism AND reject scientific findings that prove creationism as wrong because science is "evil" or "false" or"lacks faith",

      January 11, 2012 at 11:19 am |
    • AvdBerg

      CreatedbyGod

      For a better understanding of God's Creation we invite you to read the articles 'Creation' and 'Who is God and who is Satan', listed on our website http://www.aworlddeceived.ca

      January 11, 2012 at 11:21 am |
    • AvdBerg

      CreatedbyGod

      For a better understanding of God's Creation and the story of Noah we invite you to read the articles 'Creation' and 'Who is God and who is Satan', listed on our website http://www.aworlddeceived.ca

      January 11, 2012 at 11:22 am |
    • Nonimus

      "Practicable application of growth rate throughout human history would be about half that number."

      Who, exactly, made this up?

      January 11, 2012 at 11:25 am |
    • Vupra

      These are bits from a long piece written by crazy people. Notice the numbers?
      This crap has been copied and pasted all over the internet by these liars.
      Ignore "createdbygod"'s posts. It is just craziness without meds.

      January 11, 2012 at 11:30 am |
    • Primewonk

      This bit of plagiarized copypasta shows your continuedignorance of probability, statistics, ane the biological field of population genetics. Continuation of a species occurs at the popluation level. In most (mammal0 species this means that you need about a thousand fertile individuals. Otherwise the lack of genetic diversity will result in the extinction of the species.

      January 11, 2012 at 11:54 am |
  5. CreatedbyGod

    The Biblical record clearly describes a global Flood during Noah's day. Additionally, there are hundreds of Flood traditions handed down through cultures all over the world. 5 M.E. Clark and Henry Voss have demonstrated the scientific validity of such a Flood providing the sedimentary layering we see on every continent. 6 Secular scholars report very rapid sedimentation and periods of great carbonate deposition in earth's sedimentary layers..7 It is now possible to prove the historical reality of the Biblical Flood.8

    January 11, 2012 at 11:15 am |
    • God

      my basement flooded yesterday !

      January 11, 2012 at 11:18 am |
    • MartinT

      The Biblical Record Clearly shows a flood, among a number of other very unlikely events. It says that the Egyptians kept Isralites as slaves, but the Egyptian records don't corraborate that story at all, and certainly IF a world wide flood had happened, don't you think those who left after the flood would have take the story of the flood with them to all corners of the earth, it was afterall a pretty big event.

      January 11, 2012 at 11:23 am |
    • FeralUrchin

      The wonderful thing about holy books is that there are so many to choose from. Once you go down the road of "belief" and "faith", all bets are off where you'll end up. I prefer paying close attention to the natural world, noticing patterns and structures, mulling it all over and proposing explanatory theories which can be publicly discussed, reinforced, amended or disproved using evidence–instead of religious mumbo-jumbo–as a way toward understanding the cosmos.

      January 11, 2012 at 11:28 am |
    • Primewonk

      You site that because other cultures talk about "global" floods, your myth must be true. Actually, this is evidence that your myth is false. Your god stated that he was going to kill everyone and everything on earth not on the boat. Yet we stories from around the world of flood. Ergo, your god was wrong, and he couldn't kill everyone, or he lied about it. Either way, your myth is toast.

      I am curious though, to cover the Earth past the tip of Everest, would require about a billion cubic miles of water? Where did that water come from? And when water condenses, it releases heat energy. Condensing a billion cubic miles of water in 40 days releases more heat energy than a trillion bombs the size we used on Hiroshima. It would have literally boiled the oceans.

      Also, where did all this water go? When water evaporates, it absorbs heat energy. A billion cubic miles of water evaporating would have frozen the earth solid.

      And when a billion cubic miles of water falls and raises sealevel by 39,000 feet, it would have pushed the majority of our atmosphere into outer space When sealevel dropped to normal, the partial pressures of our various gases would be so low, you'd find it easier to breath on Mars.

      January 11, 2012 at 12:12 pm |
  6. CreatedbyGod

    Dr. Thomas Barnes, Emeritus Professor of Physics at the University of Texas at El Paso, has published the definitive work in this field.4 Scientific observations since 1829 have shown that the earth's magnetic field has been measurably decaying at an exponential rate, demonstrating its half-life to be approximately 1,400 years. In practical application its strength 20,000 years ago would approximate that of a magnetic star. Under those conditions many of the atoms necessary for life processes could not form. These data demonstrate that earth's entire history is young, within a few thousand of years.

    January 11, 2012 at 11:14 am |
    • God

      Have your oil checked and tires rotated !

      January 11, 2012 at 11:16 am |
    • MartinT

      MOST Fundies, regardless of their "credentials" will find something to sustantiate their claims. Your missives are useless as arguments because they are confined to a very small population of the scientific community and MOST would not and have not help up to Peer Review. Science seeks to disprove itself all the time, while Fundie Scientists NEVER seek to disprove themselves, but to discredit others. Crazy world we live in.

      January 11, 2012 at 11:18 am |
    • Bucky Ball

      "definitive work" LMAO. Total bunk ! False Premise fallacy. It would really help if you had a science education. Creationism made this argument, based on a figure that is not true. The earth's magnetic field fluctuates. It has NOT been "decaying" at a steady rate. Barnes, who made his conclusions (over 60 years ago BTW), did so without enough data to make such an as'sertion. We know, not only from current measurements, but from evidence left behind in rock layers (in the form of the alignment of magnetic minerals), that the Earth's magnetic field doesn't just get weaker and stronger over time, but the polarity of the Earth's magnetic field reverses itself periodically. Barnes' data is now outdated, and the argument is nonsensical. Sorry. You will have to do a lot better than that. (And take a geology course before you make a fool of yourself again). Also the technique of backwards extrapolation is a common tool used by creationists in an attempt to make certain scientific facts and theories seem absurd. Creationists attempt to conclude, by using a mathematical formula to represent population growth, that there would be 10^2100 people living, if we extrapolated backwards only 1 million years.
      Ho'mo Sapiens has been around for about 60-70 thousand years, and "civilization" itself is less than 15,000 years old. The population growth rate you as'sert was many times smaller than today. The child mortality rates are not constant. They have DECREASED for industrialized countries, significantly during the past 150 years. The rate of population growth is not a constant, and never has been. using your figures, if you extrapolate backwards, you get a ZERO population in about 1700. Did you even try it ? Backward extrapolation can never be used for such measurements, because things like population growth, magnetic field fluctuation, and the size of the diameter of the sun, are too inconsistant. Post you nonsense somewhere else. :twisted:

      January 11, 2012 at 11:46 am |
    • Primewonk

      The funny thing about this plagiarized copypasta shows that you don't even know why you're wrong. You think because something "sciency" sounding appears on a creationist website, it must be true. It isn't.

      This lie is handled on the talk.origins page "An index to creationist claims". It is claim CD701 Decay of Earth's magnetic field.

      January 11, 2012 at 12:20 pm |
  7. CreatedbyGod

    Evolutionists have constructed the Geologic Column in order to illustrate the supposed progression of "primitive" life forms to "more complex" systems we observe today. Yet, "since only a small percentage of the earth's surface obeys even a … portion of the geologic column…the claim of their having taken place to form a continuum of rock/life/time…over the earth is therefore a fantastic and imaginative contrivance.1" "The lack of transitional series cannot be explained as being due to the scarcity of material. The deficiencies are real, they will never be filled."2 This supposed column is actually saturated with "polystrate fossils" (fossils extending from one geologic layer to another) that tie all the layers to one time-frame. "To the unprejudiced, the fossil record of plants is in favor of special creation."

    January 11, 2012 at 11:12 am |
  8. Kathi

    OK. The Southern Baptist Convention is a good sized confederation of Southern Baptist congregations. It is NOT representative of the larger Protestant community or the rest of the Christian community. The "New Earth" movement is centered in very conservative communities. This survey is not representative of the rest of Christendom. That you chose to present this as a representative sample of a much larger community suggests that you have fallen prey to the same quest for the sensational that has befallen other news outlets. Please, you folks present yourselves as a "fair and impartial" news organization. If you intend to maintain that stance, then seek information that is drawn from a broader sample. Do the work before you present the results. If you choose to present this kind of survey, then, along with naming the source, state that this is the view of one Christian community that does not necessarily represent the view of the larger community.

    January 11, 2012 at 11:09 am |
    • Nonimus

      As the article stated, this was a survey of "America’s Protestant pastors" and was conducted "by the Southern Baptist Convention," not CNN.

      January 11, 2012 at 11:13 am |
    • MarkinFL

      So CNN cannot report on a poll performed by someone else even if they explain the source? What?

      January 11, 2012 at 11:29 am |
  9. Me2

    Des, again, you're an idiot. Your post makes no sense. Evolution made the physical container for spirit's Fall into matter. No more, no less.

    Idiot.

    January 11, 2012 at 11:08 am |
    • hippypoet

      ok so youbelieve in something that can't be proven...good for you! you know there is a place where people like go and spend time – its called the psych ward! and since things that can't be proven are your fav. hows santa doing? what about the tooth fairy – if i punched you in the face and took a tooth out, would you still put it under your pillow? i bet you wouldn't, why – because you know better right? so how is santa, the tooth fairy, any other thing like them different from god(s)?

      January 11, 2012 at 11:13 am |
    • MartinT

      I'm not into name calling, but what do you mean by your claims. Are these scientific proofs or just your own ideas on what "might" have happened. "Evolution made the physical container for spirit's Fall into matter" is this statement able to be verified using scientific methods?

      January 11, 2012 at 11:14 am |
  10. hearing voices

    How many wars have been fought , or still fighting because of religion?

    January 11, 2012 at 11:05 am |
    • Rick W.

      ... and how many for science or money or power?

      January 11, 2012 at 11:08 am |
    • MartinT

      I can't name them all, but my guess would be ALL OF THEM.. maybe????

      January 11, 2012 at 11:12 am |
    • Alan

      Rick, I don't think a single war has been fought in the name of science, so please point one out to me. Money yes, but religion is just another form of power over people and a way to get their money, so there you go.

      January 11, 2012 at 11:16 am |
  11. God

    This poll clearly illustrates why America is falling behind the rest of the world in economic growth, leadership and innovation. As long as we base our education system based on myth instead of reality, we will all soon be speaking Chinese.

    January 11, 2012 at 11:03 am |
  12. CreatedbyGod

    Dead Sea Sediment Core Confirms Genesis
    by Brian Thomas, M.S. *
    Israel's Dead Sea, also called the Salt Sea, lies over 1,000 feet below sea level and is the site of certain ancient events recorded in the Bible. Some scientists thought the sea is too salty to have ever been dry, since such extreme saltiness would presumably prevent all the water from evaporating. Now, a deep drill sediment core appears to show that they were wrong.

    Science NOW reported on the Dead Sea Deep Drilling Project, which took a core sample that 235 meters down revealed a layer of pebbles that were "likely a beach deposit" from when most of the area was dry.1

    According to the Bible, in around 2000 B.C. what is now the Dead Sea used to be a plain that probably served as farmland for people of the nearby debauched city of Sodom. Genesis 14 first named the valley during the time of Abraham (then called Abram) as "the vale of Siddim, which is the salt sea."2 So, the area was apparently a vale, or valley, but had been relabeled "the salt sea" by the time the original writings were edited and compiled, probably by Moses some 400 years after Abraham.

    In his book The Bible Comes Alive, archaeologist Clifford Wilson described how the phrase "which is the salt sea" was probably a later editorial addition:

    The Jewish people had such respect for the written records that it would have been unusual for them to alter them. In the main, they simply added an editing note where appropriate. In this case we are told that the Vale of Siddim had become the Salt Sea.3

    The researchers found the pebbles in the drill core beneath many storm and season-deposited layers of salt and mud that may represent a time before the Salt Sea's existence—that is, before the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. This research demonstrating that the Dead Sea was indeed once a dry region supports the Bible as a trustworthy historical record.

    References

    Gramling, C. Dead Sea Dried Up in Past. Science NOW. Posted on news.sciencemag.org December 7, 2011, accessed December 16, 2011.
    Genesis 14:2-3.

    January 11, 2012 at 11:03 am |
    • God

      Merit points are not awarded based on the length of ridiculous missives or the depth of holy pebbles.

      January 11, 2012 at 11:06 am |
    • Vupra

      You sure sound desperate. Better grasp at more straws. You never know when an extra straw will come in handy.

      January 11, 2012 at 11:06 am |
    • Vupra

      From the article: "About 120,000 years ago, the Dead Sea essentially dried up."

      You look like an idiot in trying to use this to somehow pretend that Sodom was down at the bottom of the Dead Sea when it has already been located elsewhere. You are a liar and a fraud, "createdbygod" and deserve to be banned from posting.

      January 11, 2012 at 11:13 am |
  13. Me2

    Des, you're an idiot. I never said anything about the fossil record or precursor species. I said I believe in evolution. Evolution only perfected the physical container of our bodies for the Fall of spirit into matter. I never disagreed with the fossil record or precursor species, in fact I agreed with it.

    Learn to read.

    January 11, 2012 at 11:01 am |
  14. AvdBerg

    The Bible is the authority and discerner of all things (Hebrews 5:12). The Word of God is God and the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending (John 1:1; Rev. 1:8).

    The Mystery of God begins with the fact that mankind in his natural state is not able to to receive the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned (1 Cor. 2:14).

    This includes all there is to know about Creation and the history of mankind. The following is a copy of the article ‘Creation’ listed on our website http://www.aworlddeceived.ca and is according to the Spirit of truth (John 14:17).

    All of the other pages and articles will explain how and by whom this world has been deceived as confirmed by the Word of God in Revelation 12:9 and they will also explain what mankind must do to be reunited with God and to be able to understand the Bible.

    Creation

    Since mankind is unable to understand the Bible (1 Cor. 2:14) and is separated from God through the power of sin and the spirit of this world, there has been much speculation and misconception about the origin of man as part of God’s Creation.

    We have explained much of the mysteries and the early days of Adam & Eve and where and when they lived, in the article ‘Who is God and who is Satan?’ posted on this website.

    It is well known that Adam & Eve lived approximately 4,000 BC in the area presently called Baghdad and Adam lived to be 930 years of age.

    Most people still believe today that Adam & Eve were the first man and woman that God created, which has proven to be impossible, as mankind in its present form has existed for millions of years.

    Adam was the first Son of God as explained in the article ‘The Mystery of God Revealed’ listed on this website, but Adam and Eve were not the first man and woman as claimed by so many.

    The purpose of this article is to show mankind what took place before the days of Adam & Eve, and how God’s Creation has developed (evolved) for billions of years.

    We are not speaking about evolution as a form of creation, but as a form of development, growth and advancement. This article will also serve as another piece to the puzzle of the Mystery of God (Mark 4:11; 1 Cor. 4:1; 4:1; Eph. 1:9; 3:3; 6:19; 1 Tim. 3:16).

    In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth (Genesis 1:1). Without giving any recognition of God’s infinite power, mankind started to gain information about two hundred years ago, how this world was created through a theory of natural selection as presented by Charles Darwin.

    Charles Robert Darwin (1809-1882) was an English naturalist who realized and presented compelling evidence that all species of life have evolved over time from common ancestors, through the process he called natural selection.

    The fact that evolution occurs, became accepted by the scientific community and much of the general public in his lifetime, while his theory of natural selection came to be widely seen as the primary explanation of the process of evolution in the 1930s, and now forms the basis of modern evolutionary theory.

    In modified form, Darwin’s scientific discovery is the unifying theory of the life sciences, providing logical explanation for the diversity of life.

    Darwin’s theory was met with derision by the religious communities, especially the Roman Church. They had placed the Bible in the index of forbidden books by the Council of Toledo in 1229 AD and were totally void of any wisdom and knowledge of God as orchestrated by and while under the powers and principalities of this world (Eph. 6:12).

    The primary objective of the Vatican in those days, was to convince every man, woman and child that Adam and Eve were the first man and woman.

    Due to mounting pressures by undisputed scientific evidence, even the Vatican has now changed its stand about the Theory of Evolution advanced by Charles Darwin. Archbishop Gianfranco Ravasi, head of the Pontifical Council for Culture, said Darwin’s theory, which the Church was against, is compatible with Christianity.

    The acknowledgment of Darwin’s theory, coincides with the holding of a papal-backed conference at the Pontifical Gregorian University to observe the 150th anniversary of Darwin’s 'On the Origin of Species'.

    Now Darwin’s Theory of Evolution has still been in crisis, in light of the tremendous advances science has made in molecular biology, biochemistry and genetics over the past fifty years.

    While Darwin’s evidence brought his Theory of Evolution back to only a certain timeframe of God’s Creation, it is only recently that mankind has been able to unlock the mystery of molecular mechanism.

    A biochemistry professor and a student at the University of Montreal have proposed a new theory how life on earth may have started and found the answer in the ribosome, a relatively large mechanism within the cell that takes RNA (Ribonucleic Acid) instruction and builds proteins.

    Scientists have long wondered how chemicals spontaneously came together to create proteins before life began itself.

    According to the professor, life got started approximately four billion years ago and his theory fills in a critical step in understanding how God’s Creation developed and advanced.

    The following statement by the professor is critical in being able to understand God’s Creation:

    "In the absence of such explanations, some people could imagine unseen forces at work when such complex structures emerge in nature."

    The unseen forces (1 Peter 1:8; 1 John 4:20) refer to God who is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship Him in spirit and in truth (John 4:24) in order to be able to come to the acknowledging of the truth and of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ (Col. 2:2).

    The above is what the believers refer to as Creation while many refer to it as evolution as they do not understand and accept God as the creator of all things. He is the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end and the first and the end of all things (Isaiah 40:28; 41:4: 44:6; 48:12; Revelation 1:8,11,17; 21:6; 22:13).

    Now the spirit of this world (Satan) knows that his kingdom will not stand and that it eventually will come to an end (Matthew 12:25,26).

    He also knows that Christ some day will return to set up God’s everlasting Kingdom. Satan’s desire has always been to be equal with God (Isaiah 14:13), and his attempt to know through science (biology, biochemistry and genetics) how life was formed, has been a futile attempt to be equal with God, by trying to disapprove that God created the heaven and the earth (Genesis 1:1).

    In the last decade, the spirit of this world (Satan) has even tried to copy the creation of life by means of what mankind has called ‘cloning’, which is the production of a genetic twin of another organism. But this will prove to be a futile exercise as well.

    Cloning is man’s work and man trying to be god. It is similar to Genetic Engineering or the modifying of biological organisms or genes outside the natural realm of a body, plant or tree.

    Personalized Regenerative Medicine (generating stem cells) falls into the same category. It is all an abomination in God’s eyes.

    The history of mankind and how life was formed and advanced, prior to the days of Adam and Eve (4,000 – 3,070 BC) is irrelevant, as mankind without union with God, was not a living soul (Genesis 2:5).

    All of the other mysteries concerning God’s separation from Adam and Eve and how mankind came to live under the power of sin and the spirit of this world, we have explained in the book 'A World Deceived' and the pages and articles listed on this website.

    Much has happened in the last six thousand years and the days Adam & Eve were called and formed by God (Genesis 2:7) to teach mankind about the wisdom and knowledge of God. However, Adam and Eve failed in their mission and as a result, God separated Himself from them and their offspring (Genesis 6:7).

    In order to keep God’s word alive and to keep the way of the tree of life (Genesis 3:24), God sent others, but mankind has always refused to listen to the prophets, Christ (God in the flesh) whom they crucified, the disciples and all those that followed thereafter as mankind continues to prefer darkness over light (John 3:9).

    It is our hope that through our testimony you will come to understand Christ’s message of repentance and while you may be searching, please remember that there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repents (Luke 15:10).

    And our rejoicing is this, the testimony of our conscience, that is simplicity and godly sincerity, not with fleshly wisdom, but by the grace of God, we have had our conversation in the world, and more abundantly to you-ward (2 Cor. 1:12).

    We encourage you to direct any questions to us, and have provided you with a contact page for this purpose.

    January 11, 2012 at 10:56 am |
    • .....

      CULT TROLL ALERT – This poster is a LIAR and only posts to sell their trashy book and website. Click the report abuse link to get rid of this LYING TROLL!

      January 11, 2012 at 10:57 am |
    • AvdBerg

      .........

      Everything we have written is according to the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive (John 14:17). For this reason our message remains the same: Ye must repent and turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan (whose spirit you are of) unto God (Acts 26:18). Without the Baptism of Repentance (Mark 1:4) you will remain spiritually blind and separated from God.

      January 11, 2012 at 11:11 am |
    • MartinT

      I do have a question for you. You quote many things from the Bible, but I don't see any of the more troublesome quotes on s-ex, r-ape, murder, the fact that god took advantage of poor Mary, ETC.. what happened, are you just mining for the gold and leaving the mud in the hole?

      January 11, 2012 at 11:36 am |
    • AvdBerg

      MartinT

      Please read all the pages and articles on our website as the Gospel we preach is not after man, for I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ (Gal. 1:11,120.

      Seek, and ye will find (Matthew &:7).

      http://WWW.AWORLDDECEIVED.CA

      January 11, 2012 at 12:05 pm |
    • ......

      "Ye must repent and turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan (whose spirit you are of) unto God "

      This is a LIE!

      January 12, 2012 at 8:16 am |
  15. PolSci

    In David Kinnaman's book "You Lost Me," he mentions many reasons why 60% to 80% of church youth will leave immediately after high school. One is a perception that the church is anti-science. Of youth in American churches, 50% want a career in science related disciplines, yet only 1% of youth pastors dealt with a science related issue in the past year.

    What if this was the issue they "dealt" with? Can you imagine the reaction of a young scientist upon being told that the earth is 6000 years old? Soon, the only youth left in these churches will be "home skoold," and completely unprepared to make any lasting contribution to a society they are completely out of touch with, both scientifically and socially.

    January 11, 2012 at 10:50 am |
  16. Me2

    Creation and evolution can co-exist peacefully. The truth is the earth is 4.5 billion years old, God created physical man through evolution, and when Adam and Eve sinned and fell from the spiritual Garden of Eden and God's presence, their male/female spirit was broken into pieces and sank into the physical vessel of physical man that was already occupying the physical earth (ie. where Cain's wife came from!). Now Jesus has come to set us free from the confines of this material world back to spirit from which we fell into individual consiousnesses from the primordial consciousness of Adam/Eve. Evolution merely produced and perfected the physical vehicle of our bodies which needed to be prepared for spirit to be housed properly after the Fall.

    Why do evangelical Christians give all Christians a bad name of being dangerously naive and dense? This makes Christianity a laughing stock, to believe the Earth is 6000 years old, is it flat too??

    Yes, I am a saved, Spirit-filled, born-again Orthodox Bible believing Christian, and love science!! I have a Catholic background, maybe that helps since the Catholic Church acknowledges the Truth of evolution!!

    January 11, 2012 at 10:49 am |
    • Des

      Me2: baloney. The fossil record pre-dates Adam and Eve and shows precursor species. Get over your religious idiocy already.

      January 11, 2012 at 10:51 am |
    • MartinT

      @Me2 – Your belief is wrong, plain and simple and there is NOTHING outside the bible to sustantiate your claims. Christianity is a cult, and a myth. The Bible was written by ancient men who had no education to speak of, no understanding on science, who had a mixed bag of belief systems, including paganism, and who thought the stars controlled their destiny. All religions of the time were "sun" based religions, hence Jesus being the "son/sun" of man. Many early deities share common traits with Jesus, meaning that MOST if not all of the Jesus MYTH was taken from other religions. What people attempt to do is apply modern thinking to the bible and to ancient mankind, as if they understood science and such; but these people were essentially ignorant and very poor, who grasped any explaination they could to help them cope with and understand their current world view.

      January 11, 2012 at 11:07 am |
    • fred

      Why assume evangelicals stick with 6,000 years? There is nothing in the Bible that speaks of 6,000 years. Even Cain had bronze tools which put Cain back beyond 6,000 years unless one argues parallel cultures in the area. Aside from looking foolish to non believers it does not matter if ones faith directs them to 6,000 years or your version of Adam and Eve. What non believers think does not change or impact faith in God. Faith comes from hearing and hearing comes from the world of God. The word of God is the foundation, hearing God, knowing God seeking God and mostly pleasing God. All this can and does happen in a 6 day creation or 13.7 billion year creation because faith concerns that which is of God. That which cannot be seen is explained by faith not the Hubble Constant.
      This is the problem with the materialists on this board as their laws can never explain that which is of faith. This is why a strict materialist cannot accept the notion of God because God cannot be put to the test. The best minds of the materialist cannot put God to the test as they continue to use tools that they themselves know makes them look like Neanderthals with clubs beating the cross of Christ demanding God come down. Christians can never justify God or their faith to such materialists.

      January 11, 2012 at 11:34 am |
    • MartinT

      @Fred, Great appologetics statement! So what you are saying is that Faith is not real, but exists only IF people want it to. God can not be tested, but can he be known? Can't we see results of his works? Can't we use observation to SEE something he's done that can not be explained? How do we explain the failure of prayer? We don't need to "test" god to see that prayer, such as the type that Jesus promised, NEVER works... Jesus said ask it in his name and NOTHING is impossible, and if he did not mean it he would not have said it. How do we explain this difficult passage?

      January 11, 2012 at 11:43 am |
    • fred

      MartinT
      “So what you are saying is that Faith is not real, but exists only IF people want it to.”
      =>No, faith is very real and is a gift from God. Without faith you cannot please God
      “can he be known? Can't we see results of his works?”
      =>Faith is what allows us to know and see the results of Gods works. On a personal basis I thought Christians were nut cases. When parts of the Bible were shown to me I could not imagine someone buys into the Ark or a Big Fish story. Then when Jesus came into my life the entire Bible opened up anew. Same words same story just a new heart and faith allowed me see.
      “Can't we use observation to SEE something he's done that can not be explained?”
      =>Once again before I believed by faith everything could be explained or had an explanation. Same observation just observed with a different perspective. In the beginning God created whereas before there was no God necessary.
      “How do we explain the failure of prayer?”
      =>Given prayer is mostly a heartfelt communication with God it could not be explained to a non believer. Believers on the other hand have an array of reasons to justify an apparent failure of prayer. Those reasons are biblical and non biblical as well. Sounds strange but a believer really needs to pray about what appears to be the failure of prayer. When the believer again is in tune with God and can hear the voice of the good shepherd a complete and correct explanation is understood.
      “ We don't need to "test" god to see that prayer, such as the type that Jesus promised, NEVER works... Jesus said ask it in his name and NOTHING is impossible, and if he did not mean it he would not have said it. How do we explain this difficult passage?”
      =>The key is to ask in his name. The verse I am thinking of comes in the middle of Jesus explaining faith and moving mountains. Such things require the faith of Christ. To ask in the name of Christ is to be like Christ in prayer. How can we be likeminded with Christ in prayer? It takes a deep meditative position before God as Jesus had who was always in prayer. Jesus always had the will of the Father as his main focus “not my will be done but your will be done”. Jesus prayed if there would be a way not to suffer separation at the Cross “your will be done not mine” yet knew there was not a way.
      In short it is far more than just saying “in Jesus name I pray” it is to be a prayer as Christ would offer. We cannot do that but, we have the Holy Spirit that intercedes and transforms our prayer. Let me say I pray for a touchdown this weekend what is the Holy Spirit to do with that? When I prayed for my mothers’ cancer the Holy Spirit was very active and nothing was impossible.

      January 11, 2012 at 1:03 pm |
    • Roscoe

      Who, exactly, does it hurt when someone personally believes in God and doesn't abuse that belief?

      January 11, 2012 at 2:16 pm |
  17. CreatedbyGod

    Later in life Charles Darwin had grave doubts about his theory. Near the end of his life he said...

    "Not one change of species into another is on record... we cannot prove that a single species has been changed."

    SOURCE: "My Life and Letters", Volume 1.

    January 11, 2012 at 10:48 am |
    • Fallacy Spotting 101

      Post by CreatedbyGod presented as not supporting evolution represents a fallacy of suppressed evidence.

      http://www.iep.utm.edu/fallacy/

      January 11, 2012 at 10:55 am |
    • Vupra

      Darwin wrote that over a hundred years ago. As an argument, it is useless. You sound desperate.

      January 11, 2012 at 10:56 am |
    • Nonimus

      This is Quote Mining. The following is a response from Talk Origins Quote Mine project specifically for this quote:

      "Charles Darwin never wrote any book by that ti.tle.

      It's commonly misquoted on many a creationist site.

      His son edited, after his father's death, a book called The life and letters of Charles Darwin.

      In which you can track down the second half of the 'quote' above, but without any trace of the first half.

      Many of Darwin's books (including The Life and Letters of Charles Darwin) are available via Project Gutenberg. I tracked this down and reported what I found in Re: 15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense.

      - Mike Hopkins and Mark VandeWettering"

      January 11, 2012 at 11:01 am |
    • Adam

      Good thing that the theory stands apart from the man who postulated it in the first place. A good theory stands on it's own legs under its own strength. That he may have doubted it later in life is irrelevant.

      This is in amusing contrast to the Argument from Authority from which you (ostensibly) derive your world view–that the Gospels are veridical; that Mohammed spoke for the Creator of the Universe; that Joseph Smith really was translating from golden plates. The philosophies which follow these supposed authorities–and the philosophy which I presume has spurred you to ad hominem snipes–buckle with the injection of any doubt.

      One believes in Christianity if one accepts the claim that Jesus survive the death of his body and can fly without mechanical aid. One does not believe Evolution because Darwin "acted supremely confident in the truth of his theory," or some such nonsense. It's true because it represents the way that the world IS.

      January 11, 2012 at 11:28 am |
  18. Me

    Creation and evolution can co-exist peacefully. The truth is the earth is 4.5 billion years old, God created physical man through evolution, and when Adam and Eve sinned and fell from the spiritual Garden of Eden and God's presence, their male/female spirit was broken into pieces and sank into the physical vessel of physical man that was already occupying the physical earth (ie. where Cain's wife came from!). Now Jesus has come to set us free from the confines of this material world back to spirit from which we fell into individual consiousnesses from the primordial consciousness of Adam/Eve. Evolution merely produced and perfected the physical vehicle of our bodies which needed to be prepared for spirit to be housed properly after the Fall.

    Why do evangelical Christians give all Christians a bad name of being dangerously naive and dense? This makes Christianity a laughing stock, to believe the Earth is 6000 years old, is it flat too??

    Yes, I am a saved, Spirit-filled, born-again Orthodox Bible believing Christian, and love science!! I have a Catholic background, maybe that helps since the Catholic Church acknowledges the Truth of evolution!!

    January 11, 2012 at 10:48 am |
    • fred

      Why assume evangelicals stick with 6,000 years? There is nothing in the Bible that speaks of 6,000 years. Even Cain had bronze tools which put Cain back beyond 6,000 years unless one argues parallel cultures in the area. Aside from looking foolish to non believers it does not matter if ones faith directs them to 6,000 years or your version of Adam and Eve. What non believers think does not change or impact faith in God. Faith comes from hearing and hearing comes from the world of God. The word of God is the foundation, hearing God, knowing God seeking God and mostly pleasing God. All this can and does happen in a 6 day creation or 13.7 billion year creation because faith concerns that which is of God. That which cannot be seen is explained by faith not the Hubble Constant.
      This is the problem with the materialists on this board as their laws can never explain that which is of faith. This is why a strict materialist cannot accept the notion of God because God cannot be put to the test. The best minds of the materialist cannot put God to the test as they continue to use tools that they themselves know makes them look like Neanderthals with clubs beating the cross of Christ demanding God come down. Christians can never justify God or their faith to such materialists.
      Posted to Me2 also.

      January 11, 2012 at 11:40 am |
  19. Val

    come on guys, evolution was settled in the 19th century. Do you think the earth is flat too? That it's the center of the universe instead of the sun?

    January 11, 2012 at 10:46 am |
    • God

      Yes – the Earth is flat, the centre of the universe, was created a few thousand years ago in poof six days.

      January 11, 2012 at 10:50 am |
    • Rick W.

      Settled? How? Does not appear to be settled to me?

      January 11, 2012 at 11:18 am |
    • Primewonk

      Rick – there are ~400,000 professional scientists in the relevant related fields associated with evolution. 99.95% of them agree that the theory of evolution is the best fit to explain the diversification of life on earth.

      There is no debate.

      There are only fundiots, such as yourself, with no scientific standing, who claim evolution is false.

      January 11, 2012 at 1:11 pm |
  20. Nonimus

    Interesting survey: http://www.lifeway.com/Article/Research-Poll-Pastors-oppose-evolution-split-on-earths-age

    Among the findings, mainline pastors, pastors with graduate degrees (.vs bachelor ), and pastors of smaller churches (non-mega churches) are all more likely to agree with science.

    January 11, 2012 at 10:45 am |
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