By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor
America’s Protestant pastors overwhelmingly reject the theory of evolution and are evenly split on whether the earth is 6,000 years old, according to a survey released Monday by the Southern Baptist Convention.
When asked if “God used evolution to create people," 73% of pastors disagreed - 64% said they strongly disagreed - compared to 12% who said they agree.
Asked whether the earth is approximately 6,000 years old, 46% agreed, compared to 43% who disagreed.
A movement called Young Earth creationism promotes the 6,000-year-old figure, arguing that it is rooted in the Bible. Scientists say the earth is about 4.5 billion years old.
The Southern Baptist Convention survey, which queried 1,000 American Protestant pastors, also found that 74% believe the biblical Adam and Eve were literal people.
“Recently discussions have pointed to doubts about a literal Adam and Eve, the age of the earth and other origin issues," said Ed Stetzer, president of LifeWay Research, a division of the Southern Baptist Convention, in a report on LifeWay’s site. “But Protestant pastors are overwhelmingly Creationists and believe in a literal Adam and Eve.”
The phone survey was conducted in May 2011, sampling ministers from randomly selected Protestant churches. The survey had a margin of error of plus or minus 3.2 percent, LifeWay said.
A 2010 Gallup poll found that 40% of Americans believe God created humans in their present form, versus 54% who said humans developed over millions of years.
This just in, religion hijacks logic and makes you believe an invisible cake exists.
Is it chocolate invisible cake?
I think it is actually manna flavored cake.
Someone left teh cake out in the rain.
I'll never have that recipe again! Oh nooooooooooooo!
The cake is a lie!
The Virgin Marie Antoinette?
Of course the pastors believe in creationism: it's their rice bowl.
And to think people actully turn to these pastors for advice in their life – pastors that don't even have an elementary understanding of the world they live in. The Google Doodle today is for Nicolas Steno who was a bishop and scientist who devoted his life to examining factual observations of the world. How far has religion run from the observation of facts today! My favorite line in the article is:
"A movement called Young Earth creationism promotes the 6,000-year-old figure, arguing that it is rooted in the Bible. Scientists say the earth is about 4.5 billion years old"
Please stop letting these brainwashed individuals pass their BS on to your children.
The Bible also says in 2 Peter 3:8 that "a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years are like a day to God" so I dont believe that the day talked about in Genesis is like a day to us.
Apologist nonsense. Adam and Eve is classic Bronze Age creationist mythology. Don't try and shoehorn truth into that antiquated garbage. Your sky-fairy is a myth.
Then why was "day" written? Or will you say now that this was a misinterpretation due to man's faults (even though allegedly "god" wrote those words)? Right? Just make it up as you go!
"I know we've only known each other four weeks and three days, but to me it seems like nine weeks and five days.
The first day seemed like a week and the second day seemed like five days.
And the third day seemed like a week again and the fourth day seemed like eight days.
And the fifth day you went to see your mother and that seemed just like a day, and then you came back and later on the sixth day.
In the evening, when we saw each other, that started seeming like two days, so in the evening it seemed like two days spilling over into the next day and that started seeming like four days, so at the end of the sixth day on into the seventh day, it seemed like a total of five days.
And the sixth day seemed like a week and a half. I have it written down, but I can show it to you tomorrow if you want to see it." - The Jerk
"Just make it up as you go!" – my evolutionary theory is working !!
That is what is so great about the bible. It is flexible. You can take one phrase out of context and use it completely differently in a part written long before.
I asked Adam yesterday. Eve will get back to him.
Jesse... you dont have to try to justify "a day". The athiests here will continue to refute anything you say with their so called knowledge. If you remember this is how we got into this mess (fall of man- Genesis 3) in the first place.
ReligionIs4Dolts, the fundies here will continue to prove anything they say with their convenient bible interpretation of the day. The bible is infallible since everyone can interpret it their own way and show how perfect it is. Even though no two fundies ever get exactly the same interpretation unless they are all simply parroting someone else's. I hear more conflicting interpretations in one day from various true believers than everan atheists can point to using logic. Their irrational interpretations are even more conflicted than the actual source. It would all be quite amusing if some of them weren't trying to force us to live under their weird little rules.
Meanwhile, 7 out of 10 Americans reject pastors. The system works.
Please refer to the question the pastors were asked again, "God used evolution to CREATE people." Evolution does not create, this is completely relevant to what the pastors were asked. I'm not sure why we're even arguing since this I would hope is common knowledge. This survey is painting them as misguided and sheltered, but if asked the question, you would say the same response, 'no,' but for a different reason, all the while looking misguided yourself.
The point that the questions are biased, I think is valid, as it is with most surveys. However, this particular case may be justified in the sense that the population surveyed were Protestant Pastors and therefore an assumption that they believed in God and that God created man in some manner, is reasonable. If it were a survey of general population then a statement like, "Man evolved through entirely natural processes," should have been included.
Talk about not seeing the forest for the trees!! It doesn't matter what the question is ! The reality is whether you accept fact vs myth!
Do you believe Darwin's theories? If you believe in fact, you might well say, "No, I accept the Modern Synthesis a true."
That is the difference.
When Judas (not the Iscariot) wrote his Epistle, which now belongs to the New Testament, for him was available a scripture of Enoch, who lived before the Flood (Enoch is mentioned in Genesis as the 7th after Adam). Today still exists an so-called Enoch book, but it is not sure, if it is the genuine scripture of Enoch. Even if it may be distorted, it contains the verses, which are quoted by Judas (not the Iscariot).
Judas (not the Iscariot) 1: 13-15:
13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever. 14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, 15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
This passage you can also find in I Enoch 1: 9 (but it is not sure that the whole book is genuine). At least these verses are genuine, because their originality is confirmed by the divine Judas.
Why do I tell this?
It should make us wondering that yet the 7th after Adam has written a kind of chronicle. That is exciting.
This leads to the assumption that written accounts about the creation of Adam and Eve came to Noah via Enoch and via Noah to Moses.
This is God (not the Iscariot). Please poke yourself with a sharp instrument.
Yeah, good luck with that
It seems to me that religion, by promoting nonsense like creationism and justifying we-they conflicts, is harmful to the human family's better interests; namely, understanding through evidence and thinking, tolerance and focus on pragmatic real-world strategies toward solving our various problems. By engaging in public issues–such as politics and education–outside their own churches, churches should be stripped of their tax-exempt status.
Works for me.
Well done. You are a free thinker whose opinion is based on observation and rational thought.
Republicans would only give that up when you pry it from their cold dead fingers
Driven by religious fanatics and creationists, America is rapidly moving towards its own Dark Ages.
Just as Europe did in the Middle Ages, when they rejcted science and knowledge in favor of a riduclous belief in the supernatural.
America is becoming a nation of ignorant of uneducated people. We have lost our place as leaders in the world. These religious fanatics are the same people who wrap themselves in a false sense of patriotism and claim that the US is the greatest country in the world based on the size of our military. Yet, at the same time, we have the highest rates of poverty, poorest education system, worst access to healthcare, work the longest hours (with the least amount of time off).
I know this seems like a ridiculous rant, but Americans have lost their drive to promote education and science, and be world leaders, and free thinkers. Instead we have traded it for religion, NASCAR, and fox news. Pathetic.
You put too much faith in scientist. Ironically, if you value scientific opinions so much you should review some studies that show how scientific reports are consistently and overwhelmingly proven inacurate over time. There is an ebb and flow to politics and science, of course, but all politics is based on some moral foundation. Whether its one that you make up on your own (science), one drawn from personal experience, or one derived from the Bible, every political decisions ultimately flows from a set of moral/spiritual belief. Political decisions don't often occur out of a vacuum.
As a Christian, I agree 100% with you. If any church gets involved with politics, they should be stripped of their tax exempt status.
"...review some studies that show how scientific reports are consistently and overwhelmingly proven inacurate over time."
What studies? cite them, please.
Unless, of course, you are referring to the fact that science is continually testing, updating, and improving itself based on new data, observations, and evidence.
Nominus, science would not have to keep updating if it was right the first time. The Bible was written a long time ago and never found to have a contradiction in it. It is often re-writen into current dialect or other languages but remains infallable.
Rick – how did Judas die?
"The Bible was written a long time ago and never found to have a contradiction in it."
First, I don't think Harry Potter has and "contradictions" either.
The Bible, however, has many thing in it that contradict nature. One can't even get past the first chapter without problems: light without stars, plants without suns, fruit before land animals, etc. Not to mention, talking snakes, and other magics.
First, I don't think Harry Potter has any "contradictions" either.
The Bible, however, has many thing in it that contradict nature. One can't even get past the first chapter without problems: light without stars, plants without suns, fruit before land animals, etc. Not to mention, talking snakes, and other magics.
Oops, sorry for the double post.
God created all the Stupid People and they can't stand it so they come to this Stupid People blog to vent.
God created all the atheists and they can't stand it so they come to this RELIGIOUS blog to vent.
So if Atheists are part of God's plan, then why are you complaining?
My mom grew up in the 50's .. went to an All girls- Catholic School ... very conservative .. taught by nuns ... oh, and yeah.. they taught .. EVOLUTION .. simply because that how you teach science .. at least if you looking to teach kids fundemental truths that aren't obscured by this race to ignorance .. I guess a christion can go back to believing the earth is flat and is at the center of the universe also .. after all.. when it comes to conservative christians, facts are simply obstructions that can be tossed aside in favor of a narrow ideological agenda ... what a bunch of morons the churches have aggregated in this country ..
Hi, red-eye. I went to Catholic schools during the same time as your Mom. We knew the story of Adam and Eve, and creation in six days, but these were never put forth as literal fact. Saint Augustine of Hippo did not become a Christian until he realized that much of Scripture was not literal but allegory.
I think we should change our criteria to decide whether Earth is center of the universe. If the center is defined as the place where highest intelligence is found, well, that would have to be earth so far.
On a micro scale the earth is actually flat. When your car breaks down at midnight in the Texas panhandle, and you can see the lights of a feed lot forty miles away, brother the earth is FLAT.
The Catholic church has long accepted evolution as a fact. They just claim that their god is guiding/using the process. At least they are half right.
@Mark inFL I believe this is called "Theistic Evolution". It means that at some point, the human soul was directly infused into the human organism. Much like Genesis, in which God breathed life into the man made of clay (or maybe evolved from the ooze). The important moment was when man first noticed that he exists, and spoke the concept "God".
We have a duty to believe whatever is true. If evolution enhanced an organism for maximum survivability, I can accept that. But what evolved? A human organism or a human person? Apparently, evolution has been working on a mere body – the flesh. But as Jesus said in Jn 6, "The flesh is useless, it is the spirit which gives life."
There are other questions: I recently found out that the cartiledge in the human knee has nerves, but no blood vessels – so that an injured knee will not heal itself. A self-healing knee would have been critical to the survival of early people. At the same time, we have a brain (mind?) which will contemplate God, love, morality, and other abstracts. We don't need abstract thought to survive. Why would evolution produce such a brain while neglecting the knee?
"We have a duty to believe whatever is true" - practice what you preach !!!
"At the same time, we have a brain (mind?) which will contemplate God, love, morality, and other abstracts. We don't need abstract thought to survive. Why would evolution produce such a brain while neglecting the knee?"
1 evolution isn't intelligent. To ask why we evolved one thing and not another isn't a rational question.
2 We need abstract thought to become the organized, civilized, societal people that we are. It has been necessary to our survival.
A self-healing knee? I would have to do some research about knee cartilage.
However, regardless of the healing properties of knees, evolution would only be dependent on those individuals who reproduced before they lost the function of their knee or at least before loss of knee function meant death.
There is evidence that supports the hypothesis that the "mind" and "spirit", if spirit is the emotional nature of humans, is completely accounted for by the emergent properties of the physical brain.
@hellbent "1 evolution isn't intelligent." Then I have to wonder how non-intelligent evolution produced intelligent in creatures.
"2 We need abstract thought to become the organized, civilized, societal people that we are. It has been necessary to our survival." Granted. But maybe abstract thought has worked against us, with all our societal ills. After all, "dumber" creatures do much better in herds than we do. Humans, for all our brainpower, seem to have forgotten how to live on this earth (pollution, global warming, etc.)
To turn your question around on itself: Why would a God who designed humanity create a knee that isn't self-healing? He may have had His reason, but it's not immediately apparent. Or a self-healing brain? There are tons of sub-optimal "designs" in the human body. My favorite is our inability to synthesize Vitamin C due to a genetic defect (most animals and plants make their own).
"Then I have to wonder how non-intelligent evolution produced intelligent in creatures."
If a smarter lemur had a better chance at reproduction than his slightly dumber cousin, then the larger brained lemur would be "selected for" naturally.
You're still missing it. "evolution" isn't a thinking, breathing thing that decides what species gets what trait. We developed our big brains because the smarter people fared better and survived better than the dumber people. Through time, even the dumb people through sheer luck get weeded out. A "self-healing" knee is a trait you've identified as being incredibly helpful, but again, evolution doesn't work like that. It would be better if humans could take the trait of birds and fly, or lizards and regrow limbs, or fish and have gills (considering our earth is made up of 80% water, gills would have been nice), but we are the way we are because the traits we possess were the ones best suited for survival by our ancestors. That's it.
To your second part, pollution, global warming, war, all of these man made contrivances aren't really a part of evolution in so far as they are consequences of our evolutionary process. It can and is argued the global warming would happen regardless of man's addition, we're just speeding it up by outrageous portions, but global warming, "pollution" happens with or without us. War is also a type of evolution....thinning out the herd so to speak, it's domination of ones genes over another.
If we could heal ourselves whenever we were sick and the world were nice and peaceful everything would probably be too boring. The bad things in life just make everything more exciting.
@CE: humans have what's called a imagination, the thing that mainly sets us apart from animals. we can see things happen in our minds before they happen; we can also learn due to the addition of the cerebrum, which no other animal has as developed as ours. if a dog chases a rabbit through a briar patch, then the rabbit runs back through that same briar patch the dog will run back through it following that rabbit. humans on the other hand can set a trap for a rabbit(using imagination), or if you did have to chase it would only chase it once through that briar patch because we would learn that hurt and thus go around that obsticule. (new method through memory of event). nothing special about humans, just able to learn and pass that knowledge down to our young to aid survival of our species.
There are modern alternatives to the ancient religions, but few people pay attention to them. The Seth material, which forms the basis of my beliefs, is an entire theology in itself. What puzzles me is why so many people are satisfied with illogical religions that arose from ancient cultures that no longer exist.
Sorry – new age crap is no different than old age crap !
These people who still believe this nonsense are in serious denial. So somebody had the idea to write down all the stories of the time, and had no scientific understanding of the world...and now we have that scientific understanding, yet we still want to cling to our fairy tales and fables from the past that have, for the most part, become explainable. So long as this continues, our species is doomed.
It hurts as a man of faith and a man of science when this sort of information is put out as "news". In truth, those members of the clergy (Protestant, Catholic and non-denominational) who have 4 year degrees from accredited universities (even religious ones) have far different views than this non-scientific study. True there is still a frightening "logic gap" with some members of the clergy. But, do not cobble us all together as one group of ignorant ostriches with our collective heads in the ground. There are many of us who understand and embrace the physical world as it is and not in the allegorical context of scripture which was inspired to understand more of the why and less of the how. It is the responsibility of educated and enlightened people of faith to stand up for this to open the possibility of faith in God and harmony with the physical world and sciences as we learn how. A better understanding can only help us better understand the why. Further, acceptance of this type of enlightenment will dissolve some of the animosity between a humanistic and theistic world view. Greater understanding can only lead to greater enlightenment.
I wish more of the faithful were as reasonable as you. I think most of the supposed "New Atheists" or "militant atheists" would not even have that militant aspect if they didn't feel that science was being attacked by irrationality and non-sense.
Thank you for picking up my morning – George was the greatest
If those same pastors start preaching that the Earth is billions of years old, the theory of evolution is actually a fact, the bible contains errors, and God didn't save the dinosaurs and he's not going to save you either.......how long till those pastors are collecting unemployment???? It's ALWAYS been about the money, and the church likes your money. They'll say whatever they have to, to keep it flowing. How very Christ-like.
The human brain is the most complicated structure in the known universe.18 It contains over 100 billion cells, each with over 50,000 neuron connections to other brain cells.19 This structure receives over 100 million separate signals from the total human body every second. If we learned something new every second of our lives, it would take three million years to exhaust the capacity of the human brain. 20 In addition to conscious thought, people can actually reason, anticipate consequences, and devise plans – all without knowing they are doing so.21
Ignore these posts. This crap is copied all over the internet and is straight from crazy people and is nothing but lies.
"If we learned something new every second of our lives, it would take three million years to exhaust the capacity of the human brain."
What bunk. The brain does much more than just store data. Moreover, the likely hood that one new "something" could be stored in exactly one neuronal connection is ridiculous.
A living cell is so awesomely complex that its interdependent components stagger the imagination and defy evolutionary explanations. A minimal cell contains over 60,000 proteins of 100 different configurations.16 The chance of this assemblage occurring by chance is 1 in 10 4,478,296 .17
Now all you have to find a biologist that says evolution is by chance. Good luck!
You are copying and pasting from a thoroughly debunked list provided by extremist creationists.
These words are all over the internet, copied and pasted to death, yet it is all bull-crap and has been shown to be fraudulent by hundreds of people.
Stop spamming this blog with your crap lies. Creationists like you should be banned from posting here.
You copypasta prototypical lying creationist drivel as your own work. This is theft of intellectual product.
Anyway, by posting this lying drivel you show that you choose to be ignorant about statistics, probability, math, and biology.
When you add it all up, this is an epic fail.
Theyh may defy your ability to comprehend them, but not those who have studied even basic science. It is a well known FACT that the IQ of a religious person is lower than that of one who is not. Have your god explain that.
So is my IQ lower than every person who is not religious? What if there were a non-religious person who suffered brain damage? Would I still be dumber than them?
My father was a religious man and a professor, who taught a course called "Civilization of the West". It was heavily based on the influence of the Bible, so he studied the Bible a lot.
He used to say on the subject of evolution, "I believe that God created man. How long he took and how he did it doesn't worry me. He created all the laws of nature. Why wouldn't He let them work, and why should we be afraid to learn about them?"
About the literal interpretation of the Bible he said " I believe the Bible to be the word of God. God evidently thought that stories and allegories were useful teaching tools." (He considered the creation story in Genesis to be allegory.)
I was present when my father was in an argument with a friend who said that every single word in the Bible was from God and that we should accept it literally and not impose interpretation on it. My father's response was "Where's your Ark?"
And who made your father God?
Astronomical estimates of the distance to various galaxies gives conflicting data. 13The Biblical Record refers to the expansion of space by the Creator14. Astrophysicist Russell Humphries demonstrates that such space expansion would dilate time in distant space.15 This could explain a recent creation with great distances to the stars.
LOL rick dinosaurs didn't have navels. See verse 16
Don't bother with CREATEDBYGOD....you'll never win a circular arument with these kooks. They're no different than the brainwashed Hare Kreeshna type, except that they outnumber them and haven't gone to visit Jim Jones yet.
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