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January 12th, 2012
12:01 AM ET

Survey: U.S. Mormons feel discrimination, hope

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

(CNN) – Nearly half of American Mormons say they face a lot of discrimination in the United States, though most also say that acceptance of their religion is on the rise, according to a major survey released Thursday.

The survey also found that a large majority of American Mormons think their countrymen are uninformed about their religion and don’t see Mormons as part of mainstream society, even as most Mormons also say the country is ready for a Mormon president.

“The survey creates a mixed picture for how Mormons see themselves,” said Greg Smith, senior researcher with the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life, which conducted the study. “On the one hand, many tell us they’re misunderstood and often discriminated against, recognizing the challenges of acceptance.

“But Mormons also seem to think that things are changing, that more Americans are coming to see Mormonism as mainstream,” he said.

The survey comes amid what has been called a “Mormon moment.”

Two of the Republican presidential candidates – Mitt Romney and Jon Huntsman – attend the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The religion has also cropped up in big ways in popular culture, from the hit Broadway play “Book of Mormon” to the recent HBO series “Big Love,” about a fundamentalist Mormon family.

Mormons constitute about 2% of the American population.

The Pew survey found that 46% of American Mormons say they face a lot of discrimination in the U.S. today, while six in 10 say their fellow Americans as a whole are uninformed about the LDS Church.

Two-thirds of Mormons say their fellow citizens do not view Mormonism as part of mainstream American society.

At the same time, 63% of Mormons say Americans are “becoming more likely to see Mormonism as part of mainstream society,” in the words of the survey report, while 56% say the country is ready for a Mormon president.

There are some surprising parallels between how Mormons feel about their place in American society and how Muslims do, according to an earlier Pew survey.

"We do see a remarkable degree of similarity about what it's like to be a minority in society," Smith said. "They are under no illusions" about how the broader public currently feels about them, and know their religions are not widely understood, but they remain optimistic at heart, he said.

They recognize the challenges, "but both groups are relentlessly positive about their future in the United States," said Luis Lugo, the director of the Pew Forum.

As Romney’s and Huntsman’s ability to win evangelical votes in the approaching South Carolina presidential primary has become a major question in the presidential campaign, the Pew survey finds that half of Mormons believe that evangelical Christians are unfriendly toward them.

In fact, Mormon and evangelical political opinions match closely on almost everything except immigration, the survey found. (Mormons are much more likely than evangelicals or the U.S. population overall to see immigrants as making a positive contribution to society, said David Campbell of the University of Notre Dame, who helped advise the Pew Forum on the survey.)

Mormons also subscribe to key tenets of mainstream Christianity, despite the sense many evangelicals have that Mormons are not Christians. Previous Pew surveys show that about half of white evangelicals say Mormonism is not a Christian faith.

"Nearly all Mormons say they believe Jesus rose from the dead and that Mormonism is a Christian religion," Smith said.

But the Mormon-evangelical divide is not simply one of theology, a leading evangelical said.

"Evangelicals are - famously or infamously, depending on your perspective - very evangelistic," said Richard Land  of the Southern Baptist Convention. "And so Mormons are out there going door-to-door trying to convince folks  to become Mormons, and evangelicals are out there going door-to-door trying to convince people to become evangelicals."

By comparison, most Mormons said that Americans who are not religious are either neutral or friendly toward them.

Mormons and evangelicals are politically similar, the survey found, with three-quarters of Mormons saying they identify with or lean toward the Republican Party.

And the survey showed that Mormons are more devout in their faith than evangelicals, who are more devout that the public at large.

Three-quarters of Mormons report attending religious services at least weekly, while eight in 10 pray daily and give 10% of their income to their church.

The Pew Forum says the nationwide survey, conducted in October and November, constitutes the biggest survey of American Mormons conducted by an organization that’s not connected to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Pew surveyed 1,019 self-identified Mormons for the project.

CNN's Richard Allen Greene and Emma Lacey-Bordeaux contributed to this report.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Mormonism • Politics • Polls

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  1. Abinadi

    If Paul were here today, what church would he belong to? Paul actually answered that question in 1 Corinthians 1, " 10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
    11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.
    12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
    13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
    14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, abut Crispus and Gaius;
    15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name."
    It is pretty obvious that Paul would not approve of the Lutheran church, or the Methodist, or the Baptist or any of the evangelical churches of the day. He said himself that he would only belong to the Church of Jesus Christ, and if he were alive today, he would belong to The Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Days. You can learn more at mormon.org.

    January 12, 2012 at 5:49 pm |
    • Abinadi

      Paul would be absolutely disgusted by the Mega Churches who sell the word of God and rake in millions. I am certain the same could be said for Jesus. Ron Hubbard was heard to say that if he wanted to make a million dollars, he would start a church, and that is exactly what he did. Christianity has apostatized from the truth! Jeremiah said, " 11 Hath a nation changed their gods, which are yet no gods? but my people have changed their glory for that which doth not profit. " 13 For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water."
      People no longer worship idols but they have replaced the idols with false churches – churches who preach watered down Christianity, churches which have no power to save them from their sins; churches that have no priesthood authority to perform the sacred ordinances, churches led by uninspired usurpers who pardon sinners in exchange for their money! Well did Christ say of them, "1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber." (John 10) Of these he will say, " 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." A man or woman who is too proud to admit they are wrong and accept the truth will never see the Kingdom of God!
      22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
      23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

      January 12, 2012 at 5:52 pm |
    • James He

      Paul would not approve of a religion that teaches these things:

      The book of Mormon is more correct than the Bible, (History of the Church, 4:461).

      Jesus and Satan are spirit brothers and we were all born as siblings in heaven to them both, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 163).

      God used to be a man on another planet, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 321; Joseph Smith, Times and Seasons, vol. 5, p. 613-614; Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p. 345; Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 333).

      God resides near a star called Kolob, (Pearl of Great Price, p. 34-35; Mormon Doctrine, p. 428).

      God had s.e.x.ual relations with Mary to make the body of Jesus, (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, 1857, p. 218; vol. 8, p. 115).

      There are many gods, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 163).

      "One of the most fallacious doctrines originated by Satan and propounded by man is that man is saved alone by the grace of God; that belief in Jesus Christ alone is all that is needed for salvation," (Miracle of Forgiveness, Spencer W. Kimball, p. 206).

      January 12, 2012 at 5:54 pm |
    • Abinadi

      James He, I guess you forgot about James 2, "20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?" That's ok. You can thank me later. You might benefit from reading the whole chapter 2 of James. He discussed the subject at some length.

      January 12, 2012 at 6:12 pm |
    • Abinadi

      One of the great fallacies being perpetrated by the protestant churches today is that they are trying to change the scriptures in the Bible. I noticed on an earlier article that they are attempting to take out the word "BEGOTTEN" from James 3:16 and replace it with the words "only true son". This totally changes the original meaning of the scripture and is heresy.

      January 12, 2012 at 6:22 pm |
    • Abinadi

      By the way, James He, who are you? Are you one of those unauthorized ministers running around without authority preaching the word of God for profit and trying to enter the kingdom of God over the back fence? You are on very shaky ground, my friend. You are the very "thief and a robber" spoken of by Christ in John 10.

      January 12, 2012 at 6:36 pm |
  2. Abinadi

    You know, none of the protestant churches could possibly be the true church because they all apostatized from the Catholic church and can claim no authority (Isn't that why we call them protestants?) Christ founded his church on priesthood authority. Hebrews 5 says, " 4 And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron.

    5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee." Aaron was ordained to the priesthood by Moses, the prophet, and Moses received the priesthood from his father in law, Jethro. John 15:16 says: "16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit," Christ never intended that minsters and pastors run helter skelter preaching whatever they please and taking priesthood authority "unto themselves". He intended that his church be run by revelation administered by a prophet. Only the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has the organization of the original church and is administered by a prophet of God. It is the only church today that is administered by priesthood authority.

    January 12, 2012 at 5:42 pm |
    • James He

      Joseph Smith is not a prophet of God, he is a false prophet. This is how the bible says a person can tell if a prophet is real

      "But the prophet who shall speak a word presumptuously in My name which I have not commanded him to speak, or which he shall speak in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.’ 21 "And you may say in your heart, ‘How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?’ 22 "When a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him," (Deut. 18:20-22). emphasis added.

      Here are examples of prophesies from Joseph Smith that did not come true

      Prophecy about Jesus' return within 56 years (History of the Church, vol. 2, p. 189).

      Prophecy that the temple would be built in Missouri within Smith's Generation (Doctrines and Covenants 84:2-5,31.)

      All Nations would be involved in the American Civil War (Doctrine and Covenants 87:1-3).

      Prophesy that the earth will tremble and the sun be hidden in "not many days (Doctrine and Covenants 88:87)

      Prophecy that Isaiah 11 was about to be fulfilled (Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith, History, verse 40).

      January 12, 2012 at 5:50 pm |
    • The MagusNYC.

      Dear Abinadi,
      It is clear that all of Mormondom is out to proclaim its validity, and, I suspect you are sitting in a brainstorming think tank with a committee of devotees countering all the negative comments, both to support your fellow toward nomination, and to secure more converts. Your comments are well-written, but the conclusions just don't seem to follow. You may believe in the stated history, and I must say, the result has been phenomenal. The community values and actions are admirable, but the deception concerning the Trinity and salvation are troubling. Why not proudly proclaim the rejection of Christ's divinity as do all non-Christian religions? It is enough to proclaim that our spirit brother Jesus was/is a good model, though reject what he claimed about himself, forgiving sins and predicting the future, for examples. As C.S. Lewis wrote, if Christ was not Divine, he was either a liar or crazy. So it is inconsistent for Mormons to deny the divinity, in the Triune God sense, yet proclaim his redemptive power. The watered down sense of God the Father, His Only Son, and the Holy Spirit, as represented on Mormon.org is misleading.

      January 12, 2012 at 6:30 pm |
  3. Reality

    Only for the "newbies":

    Mormonism will slowly fade from society as will contemporary Christianity and Islam because of the obvious problems with the founders of these religions especially their angelic/satanic hallucinations and related prophecies. "Pretty and ugly wingie/horn-blowing thingies" simply do/did not exist.

    January 12, 2012 at 5:42 pm |
  4. The MagusNYC.

    As impressive as Mormom.org is, and as awesome is the mission and success of the Mormon organization, it is troubling that nowhere on that official site can I find reference to the denial of Christ's divine nature, to his being a created being, like his spirit brother, Satan.
    Instead there are countless repeated references that use the language of the trinity, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, yet repeatedly to the birth of the Son of God, which is misleading. Why not proclaim the excesses of the wayward Christiandom, as the Muslims do? Apparently is is easier to recruit disaffected Christians by hiding this core belief from them until they are totally caught up in this loving, supportive community. A community that will not allow their non-Mormon family to attend weddings and baptisms.

    January 12, 2012 at 5:41 pm |
  5. How embarassing for you...............

    I love how James never starts a thread. He only replys so that no one can reply to his reply without being losst in the string. Very smart James. Lol.

    January 12, 2012 at 5:23 pm |
    • McJefferson

      Except I have seen him start several threads....

      January 12, 2012 at 5:38 pm |
    • James

      Sometimes the new thread I post goes onto a seperate comments page – not sure what's going on there.

      What do you want to talk about??

      January 12, 2012 at 6:01 pm |
  6. Abinadi

    Paul said, "One Lord, one faith, one baptism" (Ephesians 4:5). So, which church of the thousands is the true one? Let's talk about revelation. Christ said that his church would be founded on the rock of revelation. Amos said in chapter 3, " 7 Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets." In Matthew 16, Christ said, "15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

    16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

    17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven."

    18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."

    Paul said in Ephesians 2:"19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

    20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;"

    So, Christ never intended that his church be "tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;" (Ephesians 4:14) He knew that his church would not last, because the world was not ready to receive it, (He came when he did to fulfill prophesy) but if we read the New Testament carefully, he told us how to organize it when it would be restored in the latter days by the prophet Joseph Smith.

    January 12, 2012 at 5:13 pm |
    • James He

      If the Book of Mormon is true, then why has the Mormon church changed it? Examples are: 1 Nephi 11:21; 19:20; 20:1 and Alma 29:4. Compare these with the original Book of Mormon. (Gerald and Sandra Tanner have counted 3913 changes in the book of Mormon, excluding punctuation changes.)

      January 12, 2012 at 5:19 pm |
    • James He

      "But the prophet who shall speak a word presumptuously in My name which I have not commanded him to speak, or which he shall speak in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.’ 21 "And you may say in your heart, ‘How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?’ 22 "When a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him," (Deut. 18:20-22). emphasis added.

      January 12, 2012 at 5:31 pm |
    • The MagusNYC.

      It is amazing, Abinadi, how such an astute reading of Scripture leads on to such a self-deluded violation of Scripture. Enjoy your community organization, it does great work, with great zeal, but don't try to justify its creation nor evolution in terms of Scripture. Mormonism had mysterious and creative beginnings, great struggles, some bad turns since resolved, but it has its origin in an unfounded myth, and that is nothing to be ashamed of, in view of the enigmas of existence. It shares rejection of the trinity in good company, with Unitarians and Jews and Muslims; don't hide it, proclaim in so as ot to midlead, as Mormon.org makes no mention of Christ as a created being, unfit to secure our salvation.

      January 12, 2012 at 5:51 pm |
  7. How embarassing for you...............

    People killed in the name Christianity: 978,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.
    People killed in the Name of Allah: 989,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
    People killed in the name of Mormonism: 0

    *Please Note: Survey does NOT include people killed for being Mormon.
    ** This is a non scientific survey. Lol.

    January 12, 2012 at 5:02 pm |
    • McJefferson

      Which is it Mormons are or are not Christians??

      BTW... Thanks for proving us Christians right! 😉

      January 12, 2012 at 5:05 pm |
    • James

      Check out the Mountain Meadows Massacre if you want to read about Mormans killing people....

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_massacre

      January 12, 2012 at 5:09 pm |
    • How embarassing for you...............

      Mormons are Christians. But since every NON-Mormon on the CNN board says they are not, we will go with the majority because the majority is always right! Lol. For survey purposes, Mormons were not lumped in with Christians so as to not offend the Cathloics, Baptists and/or Spammers.

      January 12, 2012 at 5:10 pm |
    • How embarassing for you...............

      NICE try James, but Mountain Meadows was a case where Mormons DEFENDED themselvse against crazed mobs and the government who wanted to shoot all Mormons on sight for being Mormon. NICE reference though! Glad you were able to conjure up something more than what South Park may have "taught" you.

      January 12, 2012 at 5:14 pm |
    • mamaof6

      Mountain Meadows Massacre...everyone LOVES to cite that one. As Mormons, we don't claim for a second that we're perfect, or that our history is perfect. Frankly, the men involved in that fiasco (um, over 150 years ago) did not represent us well. Pick apart any religion and you'll find blights in their history.

      January 12, 2012 at 5:16 pm |
    • James

      No it wasn't – many say the orders for the massacre of non-mormans that were traveling west by "whites dressed as Indians" were direct from Bringham Young himself

      January 12, 2012 at 5:17 pm |
    • GetReal

      Guess you totally missed the Mountain Meadows Massacre! Aside from that, Mormons and the US Government weren't bedfellows and that whats drove them to make a stand in UTAH and start canning food!! My Mother, Mormon, still cans food but she still refuses to believe its a tradition based on the Mormon Fear that the Government was coming to take it all away....weird but true.

      I grew up Mormon and I have to say it looks OK from the outside but to give up 10% of your income and never know where it goes, baptize for Auschwitz Jews, become your own God one day based on your faithfulness, etc...

      All religions are crazy, Mormons are no different they just do it another odd way but Americanized. I think Virgins waiting in heaven for me is a bit more cool or having 10 wives, wait that's actually a bad idea....no wonder they abolished it from their Original prophet.

      January 12, 2012 at 5:24 pm |
    • TruthPrevails

      @Mc: Actually as long as they follow the same buybull you do, they are christian. If anything this person has proven is how dangerous christianity is. Btw: Your comment is the no true scotman fallacy....so please enlighten us with who exactly you think you are to be able to judge these people and say they are not true christian?

      January 12, 2012 at 5:43 pm |
    • Reality

      The Twenty (or so) Worst Things People Have Done to Each Other:

      M. White, http://necrometrics.com/warstatz.htm#u (required reading)

      The Muslim Conquest of India

      "The likely death toll is somewhere between 2 million and 80 million. The geometric mean of those two limits is 12.7 million. "

      Rank …..Death Toll ..Cause …..Centuries……..(Religions/Groups involved)*

      1. 63 million Second World War 20C (Christians including Mormons et al and Communists/atheists vs. Christians et al, Nazi-Pagan and "Shintoists")

      2. 40 million Mao Zedong (mostly famine) 20C (Communism)

      3. 40 million Genghis Khan 13C (Shamanism or Tengriism)

      4. 27 million British India (mostly famine) 19C (Anglican)

      5. 25 million Fall of the Ming Dynasty 17C (Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism, Chinese folk religion)

      6. 20 million Taiping Rebellion 19C ( Confucianism, Buddhism and Chinese folk religion vs. a form of Christianity)

      7. 20 million Joseph Stalin 20C (Communism)

      8. 19 million Mideast Slave Trade 7C-19C (Islam)

      9. 17 million Timur Lenk 14C-15C

      10. 16 million Atlantic Slave Trade 15C-19C (Christianity)

      11. 15 million First World War 20C (Christians vs. Christians)

      12. 15 million Conquest of the Americas 15C-19C (Christians vs. Pagans)

      13. 13 million Muslim Conquest of India 11C-18C

      14. 10 million An Lushan Revolt 8C

      15. 10 million Xin Dynasty 1C

      16. 9 million Russian Civil War 20C (Christians vs Communists)

      17. 8 million Fall of Rome 5C (Pagans vs. Pagans)

      18. 8 million Congo Free State 19C-20C (Christians)

      19. 7½ million Thirty Years War 17C (Christians vs Christians)

      20. 7½ million Fall of the Yuan Dynasty 14C
      And from another reference:

      "Mountain Meadows, a two-hour drive from one of the state's popular tourist destinations, Zion National Park, is the site of what the historian Geoffrey Ward has called "the most hideous example of the human cost exacted by religious fanaticism in American history until 9/11." And while it might not be a major tourist destination, for a century and a half the massacre at Mountain Meadows has been the focus of passionate debate among Mormons and the people of Utah. It is a debate that cuts to the core of the basic tenets of Mormonism. This, the darkest stain on the history of the religion, is a bitter reality and challenging predicament for a modern Mormon Church struggling to shed its extremist history."

      January 12, 2012 at 5:52 pm |
    • The MagusNYC.

      How many families broken up by the exclusive nature of Mormonism?

      January 12, 2012 at 5:53 pm |
    • ElmerGantry

      Mountain Meadows Massacre?

      January 12, 2012 at 6:21 pm |
  8. mamaof6

    Sadly, the misconceptions about the LDS church ABOUND.

    If you really want to know what we're like, come into our homes, where you'll find busy moms trying to get kids off to soccer and ballet, kids reading & doing homework, doing chores together (and all-the-while trying to get mom to let them have more time on the Xbox)!

    You'll find stylish & well-educated women who know about the important things in life and try to balance it all; women who are technologically savvy and enjoy facebook, blogging, and staying informed about the world. Contrary to popular belief, you'll find women who stand side by side with their husbands and together lead their families in righteousness; not the subservient and domineering relationships that some would like to paint.

    Most importantly, you'll find husbands and wives who work together to create homes filled with faith and love, teaching their children the gospel of Jesus Christ and how to go out into the world and do good.

    Come into our chapels. You'll find good people who are earnestly seeking truth, and imperfect people who are continually trying to draw closer to their Heavenly Father. You'll find members making covenants to follow Jesus Christ and to keep the commandments. Seriously...ask us about our "special underwear", called temple garments. We can explain them to you in general terms. They are symbolic of sacred covenants, or promises, we've made in the temple..our highest form of worship. The reason our temples are closed to the public, and why we don't speak of specifics about our temple worship and our temple garments because they are SACRED to us. It's not because they're secret, or weird, or anything to do with a cult. Think carefully about what the word "sacred" actually means and you might have more tolerance and understanding.

    Ask us questions about our church's history, including polygamy. Many of us are still trying to fully understand the principle as well, and why it was practiced long ago. Ask us about Joseph Smith, about the Book of Mormon and the Savior's visit to the American continent. Ask us about our inextricable relationship to the Jewish people. You just might find that once you have all the pieces of the puzzle that is Mormonism...it's extraordinary how they all come together to paint a complete picture of Christianity and truth.

    Please, please, please ask us anything you want to know about our religion. There is nothing we'd love more than to answer any questions we can, change your misconceptions and give you insight and perspective about the happy lives we lead because of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

    January 12, 2012 at 4:54 pm |
    • McJefferson

      All your Earthly works are pretty neato and all but a lot of what you said violates God's word and Christian doctrine... therefore mormons are not Christian. Sorry.

      January 12, 2012 at 5:01 pm |
    • James

      I agree as I have lived in Utah for 2 years now. I have made some good morman friends who have never judged me for being an athiest. There have only been a instances few and far between that I have felt I was being judged by a stranger (mostly when I'm in line at the state liquor store – that can be degrading!)

      But why did you feel it necessary to have 6 kids???? Do't you feel that your families using up more than their share of resources – and wait till the grandkids start coming – how many will you have 40???

      January 12, 2012 at 5:02 pm |
    • James

      Here is what your really like

      The book of Mormon is more correct than the Bible, (History of the Church, 4:461).

      Jesus and Satan are spirit brothers and we were all born as siblings in heaven to them both, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 163).

      God used to be a man on another planet, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 321; Joseph Smith, Times and Seasons, vol. 5, p. 613-614; Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p. 345; Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 333).

      God resides near a star called Kolob, (Pearl of Great Price, p. 34-35; Mormon Doctrine, p. 428).

      God had s.e.xual relations with Mary to make the body of Jesus, (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, 1857, p. 218; vol. 8, p. 115). – This one is disputed among many Mormons and not always 'officially' taught and believed. Nevertheless, Young, the 2nd prophet of the Mormon church taught it.

      There are many gods, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 163).

      "One of the most fallacious doctrines originated by Satan and propounded by man is that man is saved alone by the grace of God; that belief in Jesus Christ alone is all that is needed for salvation," (Miracle of Forgiveness, Spencer W. Kimball, p. 206).

      January 12, 2012 at 5:03 pm |
    • James He

      Heres some more:

      Good works are necessary for salvation (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 92).

      January 12, 2012 at 5:05 pm |
    • James

      McJefferson – if you are saying that statement as a Christian than you are just degrading yourself and your faith. I think all of your made up stories are a joke but I don't feel the need to explain to people the relationship they feel THEY have with god.
      Try using your own power of though instead of just retyping something you think you remembered hearing one time.

      January 12, 2012 at 5:06 pm |
    • James He

      I have a question

      Where exactly is Kolob? I would like to know since that is close to where God lives.

      January 12, 2012 at 5:09 pm |
    • mamaof6

      I don't know if this helps, but what many people don't understand about Mormonism is that it is a RESTORATION of the original church that Jesus Christ established. This isn't Joseph Smith's church, it is the church of Jesus Christ. He was simply an instrument in bringing it back to the earth.

      We believe that after Jesus Christ established his church there was an apostasy, where the original, true doctrine & gospel of Jesus Christ was distorted and changed according to the ideas of man. Our entire religion centers on Jesus Christ and his restored gospel.

      January 12, 2012 at 5:09 pm |
    • James He

      Heres another question:

      Why do you believe that there is no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith as a prophet of God (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p. 188)?

      The bible says that the only way to know the father is through Christ and Christ alone.

      January 12, 2012 at 5:11 pm |
    • James He

      @mamaof

      That is not true. According to Mormon teaching :"One of the most fallacious doctrines originated by Satan and propounded by man is that man is saved alone by the grace of God; that belief in Jesus Christ alone is all that is needed for salvation," (Miracle of Forgiveness, Spencer W. Kimball, p. 206).

      January 12, 2012 at 5:13 pm |
    • McJefferson

      @James – How so?

      It's funny you think my own words are; those that I think I may have heard from someone else a one point, or whatever...
      yet you have done nothing but use others thoughts and words...

      Well oh well...
      Have a blessed day!
      🙂

      January 12, 2012 at 5:16 pm |
    • mamaof6

      Listen, I'm not going to engage in a circular argument about faith vs. works. We all know how that will go. But it absolutely makes sense to me that I accept Jesus Christ as my Savior and then do EVERYTHING I can do to follow Him and keep his commandments. Jesus Christ is my Savior and my actions and works reflect that to the end. Is this so foreign? God's grace comes into play because I know that even if I gave all in my power, I would still be imperfect before Him. His grace makes up the difference.

      January 12, 2012 at 5:29 pm |
    • GetReal

      I Grew up Mormon and you sound like a possessed brainwashed Moron! I'm not a mormon hater and half my family still are members but you paint this wonderful picture of harmony and honesty. Everyone Please go give yourself a year at a Mormon church and lets reconvene then respond to Ms. Utopia here.....

      January 12, 2012 at 5:37 pm |
    • James He

      Why do you believe that there is no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith as a prophet of God (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p. 188)?

      January 12, 2012 at 5:37 pm |
    • JL Fuller

      Some folks have commented on good works as prerequisite for salvation. It is not so. Mormons beleive salvation is what Christ i=did and no one can do anything to earn it. Salvation in LDS theology means the dead will ressurect as Christ did- everyone who ahas ever lived. That is what Christ did for us. works referes to exaltation, which is different. It is a common misunderstanding.

      Exaltation is something like theosis, or achieving the co-inheritance of Christ to live with God the Father in a state of exaltation otherwise known as godhood. Not God with a capitol G but with a lower case g meaning being counted among the gods as described in Genesis. It is pretty deep doctrine and requires some effort to get a fuller understanding. The Eastern Orthodox and some others traditional relgious traditons to speak to a version of it too.

      January 12, 2012 at 5:39 pm |
    • mamaof6

      Uh, did I give the impression I live in a Utopia? Forgive me...I'm just telling you all the things that are good in my life because of my religion. It's not made up; I don't live in a fantasy world. I just yelled at one of my kids last night...oops. But what I love about my religion is that we're all just doing the best we can, trying to be a little better each day.

      I believe the point of all this is to extend just a little more tolerance and understanding, whatever your religion. It's why I teach my kids about Catholicism, Judaism, etc. Ugliness veiled by a screen name isn't tolerance.

      BTW...who defines what a true Christian is, anyway? To me, Christianity is defined by an individual's relationship to their Savior Jesus Christ. Period.

      January 12, 2012 at 6:16 pm |
    • Corpus Christian

      Ok,
      (1) Who is Jesus according to the Mormon religion: God or created by God?

      (2) If he was created by God, isn't that different from what the New Testament teaches? John 1

      (3) If Mormons have a different definition of who Jesus is from Christian religions, why don't you make that clear?

      Clearly, Mormons know how Catholics and Protestants view Jesus as God and not created by God.

      (4) Then why is it so important to you to claim you are Christian, while appearing to hide the fact that your definition of Jesus differs on a foundamental point?

      January 12, 2012 at 6:54 pm |
    • Corpus Christian

      mamaof6, you wrote please, please ask anything about our religion. Ok I did almost 24 hours ago. But you haven't answered, and neither have any of your fellow mormon believers.
      Why haven't you or another mormon believer answered my simple questions?
      Are you all afraid of what your truthful answer will reveal about the issue of Mormons being Christians?
      a fundamental point of being Christian is the belief that Jesus is God. Failure to believe that removes you from being a Christian.
      To be honest when you say you believe in Jesus Christ, you need to define who you think Jesus is. Failure to do so is being deceptive and when you are being deceptive people wonder what you are up to.
      I believe most Mormons are good people, but your definition of Jesus places you outside of the beliefs a Christians.

      January 13, 2012 at 6:33 pm |
  9. packerfans

    Oh boy, Book of Mormon is Second holy bible. from tribles of Joesph who brother of Judah in first holy bible simple!! Christian does not want know truth themself. Of course The Chruch Jesus Christ latter day saints is Christian. It is truth. Stop Christian blind from truth . Christian need study history America before Columbus. Who people live 600 bc in America? how come you hide from the truth?? It is Fact and not frauds!! I would like share with you and not hide from truth!!

    January 12, 2012 at 4:52 pm |
    • Puzzled

      I believe there are thought to have been 3 migrations of people into the Americas that lead to the population we call indigenous. None of them had anything to do with the Israelites.

      January 12, 2012 at 4:59 pm |
    • mamaof6

      As Mormons we believe there were both; indigenous peoples and a branch of Israelites who were brought here to this land, spared from the destruction of Jerusalem and the dispersion of the Jews.

      January 12, 2012 at 5:02 pm |
    • GetReal

      mama....if destruction was happening over there why didn't the big guy just say "hold on there" and the need to "Bring" them here would not be necessary. Are you spawn of Koresh he spoke the same way you do?

      January 12, 2012 at 5:48 pm |
  10. sybarite6

    Why Mormonism is a cult:

    Mormonism directly and violently contradicts the Bible. To claim otherwise is propaganda or ignorance.

    Mormonism claims there are multiple gods. The Bible proclaims ONE God in three persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

    Mormonism claims god is flesh and bone. The Bible makes it clear that God is spirit, Jesus was sent to earth to be "Gods with us" and the Holy Spirit is (obviously) spirit.

    Mormonism claims we can become gods. The Bible clearly says there was no God before our God and there will be none after Him.

    Mormonism claims god used to be a man before becoming their god. The Bible says God has always been (eternal) God and He is everlasting.

    Mormonism claims god did not create man. The Bible clearly teaches that God formed man from the dust and breathed life into him, giving him a soul.

    Mormonism claims Jesus is the spirit brother of satan. The Bible clearly shows satan as a fallen angel while Jesus is one of the Trinity.

    Mormonism claims Jesus was created by god. This is one of the oldest heresies in Christian history (pre-dates Mormonism). The Bible clearly shows Jesus as the "Logos", the living Word, who was and is and will be forever. The Father did not create Jesus.

    Lastly, Mormon doctrine considers three ever-changing books to be the Word of God in addition to the Bible. So says The Book of Mormon, The Pearl of Great Price, Doctrine and Covenants. The Bible says: "I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God shall add to him the plagues which are written in this book." – Revelation 22:18

    January 12, 2012 at 4:44 pm |
    • James

      So should I believe your story or their's???

      January 12, 2012 at 4:46 pm |
    • momoya

      sybarite, if you have the courage, take the time to judge your own religion with the same rigor and attention to silliness therein. For every silly Mormon idea there's a silly Christian idea. Mormons and Christians both claim a whole laundry list of ideas that cannot be proven and do not even withstand the reasoning of a child. "But mommy, why in the world would god sacrifice himself to himself in order to save us from himself?" think, people. think.

      January 12, 2012 at 4:49 pm |
    • Brad

      sybarite6: I understand how that might identify Mormons as something other than orthodox Christians. Perhaps that makes them heretics. But what are the features of a cult?

      January 12, 2012 at 4:54 pm |
    • JL Fuller

      The assumption in your statement is that mankind has correctly understood Christ and that the man made version of Chrisitanity extant since the death of the last aposltes is correct. What if it is not? What if all the dominant religious authorities since then got some very important parts wrong?

      Face it. Religon is all about opinion. At least Mormon theology demands that believers question everything and seek to find out for themselves based on thier personal contact with God through the Holy Ghost.

      January 12, 2012 at 4:56 pm |
    • JL Fuller

      The quotation from Revelation is limited to that book. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day saints has not made any changes to it. In fact, the LDS Church uses the King James version of the bible as its sole version and teaches from it. The KJV is the only canonized version of the bible recogninzed by the church.

      Sorry, I didn't read any more of your diatribe because we have heard it all before and no matter how many times we have refuted your baseless and misunderstood allegaitons people like you never change.

      January 12, 2012 at 5:02 pm |
    • Tim

      Your argument is 'Mormonism is a cult because it isn't the same as mainstream Christianity'?

      Good luck with that one.

      January 12, 2012 at 5:21 pm |
    • Connie

      Doesn't your argument also mean that Protestantism is a cult because it doesn't agree with all of the fundamental beliefs of Catholicism, a larger faith with some similar aspects? I could continue this on and on until only the belief system is not considered a cult as long as any other belief system has anything in common with it. The logical conclusion is that only Catholicism and Scientology is not a cult...it blows one's mind.

      January 12, 2012 at 5:25 pm |
  11. Decision Time

    Mormons reject orthodox Christianity and are therefore damned.

    All in favor signify by saying "aye".

    January 12, 2012 at 4:38 pm |
  12. Steve the Athiest

    Just watch the South Park episode addressing the Mormon faith. Easy to see how BS something is when it is fairly new. All religions are fairy tales, some are just a lot older than others.

    January 12, 2012 at 4:36 pm |
    • GetReal

      That was the greatest South Park Episode!!

      January 12, 2012 at 5:39 pm |
  13. J. Swift

    A religion is an evolved strategy for success. Just as a gene competes to reproduce itself through biological selection, a meme, such as any religion, also competes for successful reproduction. A strategy for success promotes the individual meme's survival into the next generation. Whether or not this promotion is advantageous or deleterious to the individual is irrelevant from the meme's point of view. (Consider the case of an Islamic suicide bomber: biological fitness goes to zero but the meme's efficacy is magnified and glorified.)

    Any religion is an example of a memetic strategy for success. Memes want to be propagated, just the same as genes do. Individuals learn the cultural precepts of the meme from elders in positions of assumed authority, positively re-enforcing thoughts and associated behaviors are encouraged, competing memes are expressly forbidden, and deviation from the meme is punished. Any person's beliefs, therefore, should be discussed in the open, not kept shrouded in "respect" or "safe from judgement" and weighed against reality accordingly.

    Look at Mitt Romney. Beliefs have consequences. Even as far back his first expose in the spot light (2008) Mitt Romney refused to answer questions as the extent of his involvement in an overtly racist position of the LDS church on the subject of black peoples being relegated to position of inferior status within and without the church body (all swarthy people being descended from the 1/3 of angels who refused to side with the Mormon Jesus at the dawn of creation, of course, as Joseph Smith, Jr., would have us all believe).

    Remember, religions are strategies for success. Memes want to be believed in and so reproduced. Go forth and multiply, go forth and speciate beliefs, indeed!

    January 12, 2012 at 4:28 pm |
    • Bill

      your preconceived notion and context is that all religions are false. that is not scientific and its not open-minded.

      you present a frame of reference that ppl can only take to be fact since you dont examine its validity and instantly dialogue the details of your dogma.

      this is what happens when emotion hijacks a person who has a little bit of training on being open-minded. its sounds thoughtful, but its dogma.

      January 12, 2012 at 7:19 pm |
  14. Mark

    Reading all these comments is depressing. It all goes down to the fact that most Americans live in the unrealistic "I deserve this" self centered culture. Gays are furious at mormons because of Prop 8, which is ironic because the reason we even have the freedom to act the way we want is because we live in a free nation, democratic free nation, where people are free to protest and use their money however they want it. Then why are they furious at mormons exercising their right to protest and for pouring millions in something they believe is the right thing to do? And don't get me wrong, I'm a gay man too, but I don't judge and censure people because of their beliefs. People in this free nation are free to do whatever the f they want with their money. And then on the other hand you have mormons that are furious at many people because they are misjudging them as racist. Well, let's face it mormons, denying the priesthood to the black community was a huge mistake and very racist. Be honest, and stop saying that "well, that's because it was not the right time yet" and all that BS. Mormons were very white and British like in their origins, and we all know how white supremacy was big back in the early days of the US. - My point is, both sides, haters of mormons, and mormons complaining all the time, you are both wrong big time. We are a nation that's so far from being really developed. Let's face it, we are a long way to be culturally close to Finland, or the Netherlands where they seem to fight with each other on these issues the way we do here. We are still acting like little kids that take it all personal and get furious at just about anything. Just like McCain said once, we are a nation of whiners. And he was so right.

    January 12, 2012 at 4:26 pm |
    • James

      I think that the problem most people have with the Morman opposition to Prop 8 is that:

      1) You are trying to create a law that bans people from parcticing their freedom
      2) The millions of dollars that flooded into California from Utah was collected tax-free as a non-profit organization but then it was used to impact the leagal system. How are they allowed to have such a large influance over the system when they don't even pay into it??

      January 12, 2012 at 4:41 pm |
    • mormon...

      Mark I think you are absolutely right, I think that is kind of a higher level of thinking. Hopefully we can all look at this article, see that there are people who are a minority and are offended when they are called things like racist of bigots or pligs....or whatever it maybe due to past beliefs held by their church. I think its hard for them to recognize the truth of it all. Luckily there is this continual progression to become better that I think is occurring in our country. I think the LDS culture is definitely becoming more understanding of gays and gay rights. DO I think if prop 8 pops up again will they put their money into again...yes. but its because of their beliefs.
      Its interesting though I read just the other day salt lake was named the gayest city. And after some research found that the church actually worked towards equal rights for gays in salt lake and helped get a law passed to protect gay rights. Interesting...

      January 12, 2012 at 4:46 pm |
    • James

      mormon.... There are a lot of gays here but that's why most Mormans try to stay out of SLC and live largly in Utah county -Provo area. At least once a year you can be sure to see a seige of the LDS temple from gay protesters.

      I have a good friend who has the unpleasent time of being black in Utah and to say he doesn't experiance racism every day would be a lie. It's alarming to me how many of these LDS families with their droves of children who they are teaching "morals" have no problem with their kids pointing and staring at a black man as if he's from outer space.

      January 12, 2012 at 4:52 pm |
    • Henry

      Interesting argument you have there. Denying a person the right to be a religious leader because of the color of their skin is wrong but denying a person the right to marry another consenting adult is an expression of one's right to free speech and belief. I would argue that what you are talking about isn't a free speech or religion issue, as the presence or absence of gay marriage doesn't really change their faith or their right to express their dislike of the act. So what we are really talking about is imposing a value system on others, who do not hold the same value system, that in reality does not change their faith or ability to speak out about actions they dislike. So we have three actions that you are ranking in order of importance (greatest to least) as;

      1. Right to lead others in a faith regardless of a trait (skin color) that in no way impacts those who are lead.
      2. Right to impose a value system on others who do not share the same value system
      3. Right for individuals to marry another consenting adult

      Honestly, I would rank those a bit differently. If you accept the current ranking then there is no real rationale not to move #2 to #1 should their values change back. It's not like refusing to allow non–whites to become clergy was an oversight originally. It was an imposition of a value system about skin color imposed on those (non-white Mormons) who in all likelihood were open to being clergy (otherwise there would be no non-white clergy members now which I am guessing is not the case).

      If I were to rank them I would probably not be able to decide if #1 or #3 should be on the top. A strong argument could be made for either. I would probably just not include #2. I don't really think of it as much as a means of repression often thinly disguised as a right.

      January 12, 2012 at 5:08 pm |
    • GetReal

      Exactly why I left the church in late 70's. I knew something was up and not right when all of the sudden the Black Man was accepted. I was a kid then but if you were an adult you weren't going anywhere you were to deep in. Young and impressionable I felt this wasn't something God delivered but Men under pressure to change their ways and then say it was commanded by the big guy....

      January 12, 2012 at 5:51 pm |
    • fred

      GetReal
      The fault is not with God or the Bible but man and what he adds to the Bible. Jesus set many things straight and blasted the religious of his day for what they did with Gods truth they were entrusted to keep.
      Personally the only reason I continue to believe is based on what Jesus did for me and in my life when I lost everything a few years back. When I begin to think it is a bunch of huey I go back to what I personally witnessed in my life. If not for that I would be back in the agnostic /atheist camp.

      January 12, 2012 at 6:00 pm |
  15. no spam

    I think the majority of these blog comments speak for themselves and is exactly the reason why Mormons ARE discriminated against.

    January 12, 2012 at 4:22 pm |
  16. Converted

    In Luke 9:49 the apostles said:
    "And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us."

    Jesus replied in verse 50:
    "And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us."

    I attend both an LDS ward and a Protestant Chapel. I know the LDS do everything in the name of Jesus.

    Might I also remind you that Jesus did not "fit the bill" of the leaders/majority of his time and they crucified him. So I ask you Christians, would you have also crucified our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

    Athiest need not respond as you do not believe.

    Come Unto Christ

    January 12, 2012 at 4:21 pm |
    • James

      Mormonism teaches that the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross itself (and receiving it by faith) is not sufficient to bring forgiveness of sins.

      This clearly contradicts the biblical doctrine of the forgiveness of sins by grace through faith (Rom. 5:1; 6:23; Eph. 2:8-9) and the doctrine that works are not part of our salvation but a result of them (Rom. 4:5, James 2:14-18).

      January 12, 2012 at 4:28 pm |
    • Converted

      And the Jewish leaders also made those kind of statements.

      Love thy neighbor brother.

      January 12, 2012 at 4:33 pm |
    • James

      I have no ill will toward Mormons. They just worship a God that is different than mine.

      I haven't spoken a negative word about Mormons, rather I have pointed out differences in our beliefs.

      January 12, 2012 at 4:35 pm |
    • Steve the Athiest

      @Converted – Uh oh, I replied. What are you going to do about it? Talk to the tooth fairy (I mean god) about that nasty man on the internet?

      January 12, 2012 at 4:38 pm |
    • Converted

      There is only one God and we are all one in the body of Christ. I can testify that the Holy Spirit resides in both the LDS and Protestant faiths.

      God Bless

      January 12, 2012 at 4:40 pm |
    • James

      Thats not consistent with what your religion teaches, and I quote: "There are many gods, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 163)."

      Am I lying? Is this a false reference to your teaching?

      January 12, 2012 at 4:43 pm |
    • James

      Here's another one: "God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens!!! . . . We have imagined that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea and take away the veil, so that you may see," (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345).

      January 12, 2012 at 4:44 pm |
    • James

      And yet one more: "After you become a good Mormon, you have the potential of becoming a god, (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345-347, 354.)"

      In order for their to only be one God according to Mormons there must not have ever been a single good Mormon because if there was one there would be 2 Gods not the one that you just claimed.

      January 12, 2012 at 4:46 pm |
    • James

      @Converted

      The Jewish leaders made statements about Jesus not being the Savior, that is nothing like the statements I am making. I am making statements that Jesus is the one true savior and showing how Mormons do not believe this way.

      January 12, 2012 at 4:49 pm |
    • Brad

      "Might I also remind you that Jesus did not "fit the bill" of the leaders/majority of his time and they crucified him. So I ask you Christians, would you have also crucified our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ." Yes, I imagine I would have since without him I would have been just another sinner without hope.

      January 12, 2012 at 4:50 pm |
    • James

      If your a Mormon you must have Jesus and Joseph Smith and here is the proof that that is what a Mormon believes

      "There is no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith as a prophet of God (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p. 188).

      January 12, 2012 at 5:00 pm |
    • Corpus Christian

      Tell me who do you think Jesus is:
      a) God
      b) Created by God
      Any one can believe in Jesus, the key is how you define who Jesus is.
      I await your response.

      January 12, 2012 at 5:30 pm |
    • Corpus Christian

      Converted, I am waiting your response to my question.
      Is Jesus God or created by God?
      It is a simple question.

      January 12, 2012 at 5:42 pm |
    • GetReal

      Wow, over 40 years when it was written what Luke said that Jesus said. I bet you can't remember but one thing your mother told you 40 years ago....but there are plenty of quotes in the bible from people 3-5 generations removed. I mean how accurate can it get!

      January 12, 2012 at 5:56 pm |
    • Corpus Christian

      Seems Converted has left. Can any of the Mormons answer my question?
      According to the Mormon religion is Jesus God or was he created by God?
      In my opinion, that will determine if Mormons are "Christians" or non-christians.

      I not saying one way or the other who is right, I just want to know if Mormons think Jesus is God or was created by God.

      January 12, 2012 at 6:36 pm |
    • Corpus Christian

      Mormon believers, I have waited a day but no response to my simple question!
      I wonder why? Is the answer something you are ashamed to write?

      January 13, 2012 at 6:19 pm |
  17. Lando

    I haven't seen a black Mormon or known any. They were nice people too, however, it's kind of strange why most of them
    were whites...

    January 12, 2012 at 4:19 pm |
  18. Lew

    Memo from ex Mormon of 36 yrs to Brett , one single scripture about baptism for the dead dont mean anything.

    Hey Brett , got a question, how come in no metal weapons have ever been found in or around the Hill Curmorah? I mean 230,000 were killed in that last battle, why no weapons

    January 12, 2012 at 4:18 pm |
    • GetReal

      Because it was a stick fight! Wood kills!! Ban all Wood!

      January 12, 2012 at 5:43 pm |
  19. James

    Jesus and Satan are spirit brothers and we were all born as siblings in heaven to them both, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 163).

    A plan of salvation was needed for the people of earth so Jesus offered a plan to the Father and Satan offered a plan to the father but Jesus' plan was accepted. In effect the Devil wanted to be the Savior of all Mankind and to "deny men their agency and to dethrone god," (Mormon Doctrine, p. 193; Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p. 8).

    January 12, 2012 at 4:18 pm |
    • Converted

      You spend a lot of energy on why this can't be so... like the Jewish leaders at the time of our Savior Jesus Christ.

      January 12, 2012 at 4:24 pm |
    • James

      I'm simply pointing out the differences in Mormonism and Christianity.

      Mormons have a habit of attempting to fool people into thinking they are Christians when in actuality their beliefs are radically different from Christian beliefs.

      January 12, 2012 at 4:32 pm |
    • James

      Is Joseph Smith also our savior because according to what you believe:

      "One of the most fallacious doctrines originated by Satan and propounded by man is that man is saved alone by the grace of God; that belief in Jesus Christ alone is all that is needed for salvation," (Miracle of Forgiveness, Spencer W. Kimball, p. 206).

      So according to you my beliefs are different than yours. I beleive that Jesus Christ's sacrifice on the cross was sufficient for my salvation and you do not.

      January 12, 2012 at 4:38 pm |
    • Converted

      I believe that it is by Faith in Jesus Christ and is by by the Grace of God. I don't follow my leaders lock step as is apparent in my attending a Protestant church. However, I also try to stick with ALL of our Saviors teaching. And bad mouthing others that do it in the name of Jesus is one of those.

      I am a Child of God as defined at the Sermon on the Mount.

      January 12, 2012 at 4:47 pm |
    • James

      Our savior told us to be weary of false teachers and prophets such as Joseph Smith (the teachings of this man are not consistent with the Bible as I have more than shown).

      Mormons try to trick others into believing that they are Christians when in reality the God they worship is not Christ as a Christian knows him.

      January 12, 2012 at 4:54 pm |
    • James

      Here is a perfect example of a belief held by Mormons that shows that they do not believe that Christ dying for our sins was sufficient for us to enter heaven.

      There is no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith as a prophet of God (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p. 188).

      January 12, 2012 at 4:58 pm |
  20. James

    "One of the most fallacious doctrines originated by Satan and propounded by man is that man is saved alone by the grace of God; that belief in Jesus Christ alone is all that is needed for salvation," (Miracle of Forgiveness, Spencer W. Kimball, p. 206).

    January 12, 2012 at 4:17 pm |
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