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January 12th, 2012
12:01 AM ET

Survey: U.S. Mormons feel discrimination, hope

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

(CNN) – Nearly half of American Mormons say they face a lot of discrimination in the United States, though most also say that acceptance of their religion is on the rise, according to a major survey released Thursday.

The survey also found that a large majority of American Mormons think their countrymen are uninformed about their religion and don’t see Mormons as part of mainstream society, even as most Mormons also say the country is ready for a Mormon president.

“The survey creates a mixed picture for how Mormons see themselves,” said Greg Smith, senior researcher with the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life, which conducted the study. “On the one hand, many tell us they’re misunderstood and often discriminated against, recognizing the challenges of acceptance.

“But Mormons also seem to think that things are changing, that more Americans are coming to see Mormonism as mainstream,” he said.

The survey comes amid what has been called a “Mormon moment.”

Two of the Republican presidential candidates – Mitt Romney and Jon Huntsman – attend the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The religion has also cropped up in big ways in popular culture, from the hit Broadway play “Book of Mormon” to the recent HBO series “Big Love,” about a fundamentalist Mormon family.

Mormons constitute about 2% of the American population.

The Pew survey found that 46% of American Mormons say they face a lot of discrimination in the U.S. today, while six in 10 say their fellow Americans as a whole are uninformed about the LDS Church.

Two-thirds of Mormons say their fellow citizens do not view Mormonism as part of mainstream American society.

At the same time, 63% of Mormons say Americans are “becoming more likely to see Mormonism as part of mainstream society,” in the words of the survey report, while 56% say the country is ready for a Mormon president.

There are some surprising parallels between how Mormons feel about their place in American society and how Muslims do, according to an earlier Pew survey.

"We do see a remarkable degree of similarity about what it's like to be a minority in society," Smith said. "They are under no illusions" about how the broader public currently feels about them, and know their religions are not widely understood, but they remain optimistic at heart, he said.

They recognize the challenges, "but both groups are relentlessly positive about their future in the United States," said Luis Lugo, the director of the Pew Forum.

As Romney’s and Huntsman’s ability to win evangelical votes in the approaching South Carolina presidential primary has become a major question in the presidential campaign, the Pew survey finds that half of Mormons believe that evangelical Christians are unfriendly toward them.

In fact, Mormon and evangelical political opinions match closely on almost everything except immigration, the survey found. (Mormons are much more likely than evangelicals or the U.S. population overall to see immigrants as making a positive contribution to society, said David Campbell of the University of Notre Dame, who helped advise the Pew Forum on the survey.)

Mormons also subscribe to key tenets of mainstream Christianity, despite the sense many evangelicals have that Mormons are not Christians. Previous Pew surveys show that about half of white evangelicals say Mormonism is not a Christian faith.

"Nearly all Mormons say they believe Jesus rose from the dead and that Mormonism is a Christian religion," Smith said.

But the Mormon-evangelical divide is not simply one of theology, a leading evangelical said.

"Evangelicals are - famously or infamously, depending on your perspective - very evangelistic," said Richard Land  of the Southern Baptist Convention. "And so Mormons are out there going door-to-door trying to convince folks  to become Mormons, and evangelicals are out there going door-to-door trying to convince people to become evangelicals."

By comparison, most Mormons said that Americans who are not religious are either neutral or friendly toward them.

Mormons and evangelicals are politically similar, the survey found, with three-quarters of Mormons saying they identify with or lean toward the Republican Party.

And the survey showed that Mormons are more devout in their faith than evangelicals, who are more devout that the public at large.

Three-quarters of Mormons report attending religious services at least weekly, while eight in 10 pray daily and give 10% of their income to their church.

The Pew Forum says the nationwide survey, conducted in October and November, constitutes the biggest survey of American Mormons conducted by an organization that’s not connected to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Pew surveyed 1,019 self-identified Mormons for the project.

CNN's Richard Allen Greene and Emma Lacey-Bordeaux contributed to this report.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Mormonism • Politics • Polls

soundoff (1,639 Responses)
  1. G. Zeus Kreiszchte

    Where's the verse that says you gotta dress up like a nerd with a starched white shirt and a black string tie and go selling your religion door to door like it's Amway?

    January 12, 2012 at 9:01 pm |
  2. Inquiring

    So not much on the tablets. Were they ever found? Whole thing still looks like a scam.

    January 12, 2012 at 8:52 pm |
    • The Phist

      They never existed.

      January 12, 2012 at 9:37 pm |
    • Dave

      It is interesting that this is such an important point for those who oppose my church. All Biblical scholars know that no one has seen the original manuscripts of the Bible either.

      January 28, 2012 at 10:38 pm |
  3. G. Zeus Kreiszchte

    Since Christo- and Mormono- Fascism were both built on the Judaic tradition, please note the following verses from the OT, which show just how loving Father Yahweh is:

    Numbers 31:17-18
    Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

    1 Samuel 15:3
    Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.'

    WHAT? GOD CREATED EVIL?
    Isaiah 45:7
    I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, AND CREATE EVIL: I the LORD do all these things.

    Amos 3:6
    Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? Shall there be EVIL in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?

    January 12, 2012 at 8:45 pm |
    • fred

      At least there that god is taking whole responsibility for his misdeeds.

      January 12, 2012 at 8:48 pm |
    • AvdBerg

      G. Zeus Kreiszchte

      John 1:1. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

      The problem is that by nature you will not be able to understand it (1 Cor. 2:14). For this reason our message remains the same: Ye must repent and turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan (whose spirit you are of) unto God (Acts 26:18). Without the Baptism of Repentance (Mark 1:4) you will remain spiritually blind and separated from God.

      The Gospel we preach is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ (Gal. 1:11,12).

      For a better understanding what mankind must do to be reunited with God, what it means to repent and to be a sinner, we invite you to read the articles ‘Repent’, 'What is Sin?' and 'Victory over Sin' listed on our website http://www.aworlddeceived.ca

      Seek, and ye will find (Matthew 7:7).

      http://WWW.AWORLDDECEIVED.CA

      January 12, 2012 at 8:49 pm |
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      January 12, 2012 at 9:04 pm |
  4. G. Zeus Kreiszchte

    Gee, do you think that with all these countless planets we're constantly finding in our own galaxy (let alone all the other countless galaxies in the Universe which undoubtedly have countless planets within them), if Earth-man ever becomes advanced enough to travel to any of these distant worlds, that we'll find Golden Tablets there too?!? Surely Jeezus or some angels must have visited every possible planet in existence to spread the good news on how to be "saved"!

    January 12, 2012 at 8:40 pm |
  5. AvdBerg

    The Mormon Church was founded in 1830 by Joseph Smith Jr. in Upstate New York.

    According to the information provided on the Internet there are today more than 600,000 former members of the church, who will tell you that the church has indeed a secret agenda that most people, including the media, are unwilling to communicate.

    It is well known that the Mormon Church’s mandate is to control the USA through its dogma and have one of its members serve as President. Eventually it is their goal to rule the world. This is part of their doctrine to establish God’s Kingdom on earth and since they are spiritually blind they do not know that God’s Kingdom is not of this world (John 18:36).

    A thousand years ago the Catholic Church forced its dogma on the people in Europe and Central America in a similar way and during 500 years of the Inquisition history records that as many as 20 to 50 million were killed in the most inhumane and cruel ways anyone can imagine. The history of the Roman Church is similar and of the same spirit as it was during the days of Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, King Leopold of Belgium, Idi Amin, etc., etc.

    You can read more about this by visiting our visiting our website http://www.aworlddeceived.ca and read the articles ‘Popes and the Princes of This World’ and ‘The Mystery Babylon.

    Consider the following readings, which are according to the Word of God and God’s wisdom.

    Revelation 12:9. … which deceiveth the whole world.

    John 12:25. He that loveth his life, shall lose it (Luke 9:24; 17:33).

    2 Timothy 2:4. No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life (that includes politics).

    John 17:16. They (the believers) are not of the world.

    Romans 8:5. Human nature and friendship with the world is enmity with God (James 4:4).

    1 John 5:4. For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world.

    It should be remembered that even Jesus Christ did not pray for this world (John 17:9; 1 John 5:19).

    The first problem is that mankind is not able to receive the things of the Spirit of God; neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned (1 Cor. 2;14).

    The second problem is that mankind prefers darkness over light (John 3:19).

    For a better understanding of the history of the Mormon Church and how the members follow after an image of a false god and false Christ and the god of this world (Matthew 24:24), we invite you to read the article ‘Mormon Church ~ Cult and Spiritual Harlot’, listed on our website http://www.aworlddeceived.ca

    The article explains what spirit Mitt Romney and Jon Huntsman serve and how they deceive the people through the doctrines of their church and its secret agenda.

    The following is an excerpt from the article.

    “According to the Collins Dictionary a Cult is a specific system of worship, devotion to a person, idea or activity. We will explain that the members of the Mormon Church worship the ideals of a man, i.e. Joseph Smith Jr., who founded the church in Upstate New York in 1830. He had 27 or more polygamous marriages and was killed on June 24, 1844 by a mob, while he was being held in jail awaiting trial for treason. Their claim that the Book of Mormon is another Testament of Jesus Christ is falsehood and a lie. In this article we will explain that the Book of Mormon is a hoax and that it stands in opposition to the Word of God and the teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ and that they serve an image of a false God and a false Christ (Matthew 24:24).

    Even the name Latter-Day Saints was stolen from words from the Bible. The word ‘latter’ refers to the time after Christ (AD) and the word ‘saint’ was reserved for the believers not the unbelievers (Romans 1:7; 1 Cor. 1:2; 6:2; 16:15; Eph. 1:18; 4:12; Col. 1:12; 1 Thess. 3:13; 2 Thess. 1:10; Jude 3; Revelation 8:3). We invite you to read the article Sainthood by the Pope listed on this website. The declaration by the Mormon Church that their members are ‘Saints’ is an abomination in God’s eyes. We will explain what spirit they are of (Luke 9:55) and that they judge after the flesh (John 8:15).

    Before you continue reading this article we encourage you to enter Mormon Church on Google and read Wikipedia – The Free Encyclopedia on the subject and learn about the history of the Mormon Church.

    To learn of all the deceptions of the church and its connection to Brigham Young University, we also invite you to enter Brigham Young on Google. By reading Wikipedia on the subject you will learn that he was a polygamist, who married a total of 55 wives, 54 of them that converted to become a Latter Day Saint. By reading the section on Polygamy and his Family Life it is easy to discern that Brigham Young was a servant of sin (John 8:34). Young organized the Mormon Tabernacle Choir and in 1850 founded the University of Deseret, which is now the University of Utah. In 1875, just two years before his death, he founded Brigham Young Academy, which later became Brigham Young University.”

    Our Ministry, which is in Christ and according to the Spirit of truth (John 14:17), has reached out to CNN and key contacts for more than two years but they continue to sensationalize news, involving political issues and religious doctrines of which they have no knowledge, rather than convey a message of truth. Recently they even arranged to have all of our e-mails blocked, to ensure we are no longer able to contact the writers of articles on this Blog an allow us explain their deceptive articles with spiritual truth.

    The purpose of our postings on this Blog is to keep straight the way of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

    For a better understanding of the Mystery of God and what it means to be a sinner and a Christian, we invite you to read the articles ‘Who is God and who is Satan?’, ‘The Mystery of God Revealed’, ‘What is Sin?’, ‘Victory over Sin’ and ‘Can Christianity or any Other Religion Save You’ listed on our website http://www.aworlddeceived.ca

    To give people a better understanding of the principalities and destructive forces (Eph. 6:12) that control the Media, US Politics and the issues that divide this world, we invite you to read the articles ‘CNN Belief Blog ~ Sign of the Times’ and ‘Influence of the Media’.

    All of the other pages and articles will explain how and by whom this world has been deceived as confirmed by the Word of God in Revelation 12:9 and they will also explain what mankind must do to be reunited with God and to be able to understand the Bible.

    He that is spiritual judgeth (discerneth) all things, yet he himself is judged of no man (1 Cor. 2:15; 14:37; Proverbs 28:5; Gal. 6:1; Col. 1:9; John 3:8; 5:30; 8:15; 16:8-11).

    Seek, and ye will find (Matthew 7:7).

    http://WWW.AWORLDDECEIVED.CA

    January 12, 2012 at 8:38 pm |
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      January 12, 2012 at 8:49 pm |
    • AvdBerg

      ..........

      John 1:1. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

      The problem is that by nature you will not be able to understand it (1 Cor. 2:14). For this reason our message remains the same: Ye must repent and turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan (whose spirit you are of) unto God (Acts 26:18). Without the Baptism of Repentance (Mark 1:4) you will remain spiritually blind and separated from God.

      The Gospel we preach is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ (Gal. 1:11,12).

      For a better understanding what mankind must do to be reunited with God, what it means to repent and to be a sinner, we invite you to read the articles ‘Repent’, 'What is Sin?' and 'Victory over Sin' listed on our website http://www.aworlddeceived.ca

      Seek, and ye will find (Matthew 7:7).

      http://WWW.AWORLDDECEIVED.CA

      January 12, 2012 at 8:57 pm |
    • ......

      Report abuse on all AvdBerg blogspamming. CNN eventually pays attention, especially if enough of us do it.

      January 12, 2012 at 9:05 pm |
    • Dave

      Many who oppose my church focus on polygamy. Interestingly, they have no answer for why it existed in the Bible (e.g., Abraham and others).

      January 28, 2012 at 10:40 pm |
  6. HITLER WAS A CHRISTIAN

    CASE CLOSED.

    January 12, 2012 at 8:12 pm |
    • G. Zeus Kreiszchte

      but he ripped off the swastika from the Hindus

      January 12, 2012 at 8:13 pm |
    • An inconvenient truth

      Lying in caps does not equal truth. Hitler was an atheist who believed he was a god.

      January 12, 2012 at 8:14 pm |
    • G. Zeus Kreiszchte

      George W. Dolt pretended to be Christian on TV. H&||, he even said god TOLD him to go strike at al-Qadea and Saddam (but surprisingly god wouldn't tell George where the WMD were or weren't). Good case for the non-existence of "god" I would say!

      January 12, 2012 at 8:20 pm |
    • The Phist

      Actually, he wasn't an atheist. Might want to read up on your history before posting another stupid comment.

      January 12, 2012 at 8:20 pm |
    • G. Zeus Kreiszchte

      Old Adolf did have a good idea about sterilizing the feeble minded though.

      January 12, 2012 at 8:32 pm |
  7. Hype

    Its funny to see a story about mormons feeling discriminated against. If you are a non mormon living in Utah, especially if you have kids, you see the true picture of discrimination by mormons toward non mormons. They try to impose their beliefs and are not accepting of others. I know there are several mormons who don't want their kids to hang out or associate with non mormons. I know of church leadership meetings where the discussion includes conversation about encouraging other mormons not to allow their kids to hang with non mormons. They don't want their kids to have diversity in their life and learn other views. They see it as a threat to their brain washing tactics. I'm all for believing what you want to believe, but one should not try to impose their beliefs on people that don't have the same beliefs. I am fine with people doing what they want with their lives and believing what they want. I don't impose my beliefs on other people and would like the same respect. Mormons are the ones that are hypocritical and discriminate. They need a lesson in respect and acceptance.

    January 12, 2012 at 8:04 pm |
  8. G. Zeus Kreiszchte

    Anything (Mormonism) based on a religion (Christianity) that was written down decades after any eye-witness accounts actually occurred, which itself (Christianity) was based on a religion (Judaism) that was made up and written down over thousands of years which itself (Judaism) was based on oral tradition passed down over many, many generations can be nothing be total GARBAGE! Read something else besides your monomaniacal, one-sided religious text and you might have a chance at discovering something closer to TRUTH in your lifetime!

    January 12, 2012 at 8:03 pm |
    • White

      since you denounce all religion, do you mean we turn to science? science itself is a testament of god.

      January 12, 2012 at 8:05 pm |
    • The Phist

      Incorrect, god does not exist.

      January 12, 2012 at 8:08 pm |
    • G. Zeus Kreiszchte

      Only if you believe a god made science...but then who/what made god? Super-god? And then was there a Super-Super-god? You can't explain away existence by just saying there was a magical being that was always there. That's stupid! I would rather we keep trying to discover cause after cause so we can better understand what there really is out there and why things happen the way they do.

      January 12, 2012 at 8:10 pm |
    • White

      this is ridiculous i'm not going to try to explain the whole doctrine over the internet. if you want answers to thoses questions liek that, which there are answers for, go take lessons from the missionaries or something or talk to them through the church website. though from your comments i can see you'll never listen to anything that contradicts your athiest beliefs.

      January 12, 2012 at 8:25 pm |
    • G. Zeus Kreiszchte

      Wrong! I was raised in the Christo-fascist tradition like so many of us in the US! Sadly tt wasn't until college that I finally figured things out! I've heard all the "explanations" from your side of the fence that I care to listen to. Enough with the circular logic and BS!

      January 12, 2012 at 8:30 pm |
  9. G. Zeus Kreiszchte

    Joseph Smith was a lunatic who was just trying to compensate for the obvious fact that there was no way in h&|| Jeezus could have made it over to what would become the Americas (because they were completely UNKNOWN to anyone in the Middle East at the time). Oh but, if "Native Americans" were to have any chance at being saved right when Jeebus landed on Earth, he would have had to have his message brought here somehow. Therefore he made up the Golden Garbage like Muhammed and Moses both made up that they talked to god when they were off by themselves without any video recording devices to PROVE anything!

    January 12, 2012 at 7:50 pm |
    • White

      would a man be able to sway his family and hundreds of people for a "fake" religion that he made up for such an obscure reason? would he suffer presecution for a "fake" religion? would be be MURDERED for a "fake" religion?
      nope.

      January 12, 2012 at 7:57 pm |
    • G. Zeus Kreiszchte

      Uhhhh Jim Jones.....uhhhhh.....Heaven's Gate (Marshall Applewhite)....to name only two

      January 12, 2012 at 8:04 pm |
    • White

      and those religions generated such a massive following of millions of members? i think not.

      January 12, 2012 at 8:08 pm |
    • Get Real

      White,

      Those 2 particular cults were around for less than 10 years. Given a bit more time, delusional rantings, profligate breeding and other goofy and underhanded tactics... who knows how many 'followers' there could be?

      January 12, 2012 at 8:42 pm |
  10. Jed

    It's hard not to be optimistic when we know that the misunderstanding is just that, misunderstanding.

    People don't understand or have been lied to about our beliefs, sometimes by pastors who have a financial stake (sometimes called "priestcraft") in how their followers believe and therefore create a market for misrepresentation. However, Mormons are not alone in being misrepresented. Evangelicals ministers also do not consider Catholics to be Christians.

    The truth is, ALL Mormons are Christians. We take upon ourselves the name of Christ at baptism and renew that relationship weekly as we take the sacrament. We not only believe in Christ, but try to teach and do his sayings. I think that makes us followers of Christ, if not Christian in the narrow, self-serving definition of some other sects. What counts is how Christ sees me, not how people who don't understand me and have heard lies and half truths see me. I am much more concerned that some people will miss out on the amazing family life, relationship with God, and hope for the next life members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints enjoy because of misrepresentation. (Mormon is a nickname.)

    In the end, Christ said "Blessed are those who are persecuted for my sake," which always makes me feel better, even if the persecution comes from people who should be my brother and my sister in Christ.

    Even if you don't respect our belief in Christ, I suspect people would respect that such inventions as television, the heart monitor, Pixar digital animation, and modern word processing came from Mormons. Enjoy ESPN? Not without Mormons, you wouldn't.

    January 12, 2012 at 7:46 pm |
    • The Truth

      If anyone has any questions about mormons and what they practice here are two of their offical web pages: http://www.mormon.org and http://www.lds.org

      January 12, 2012 at 7:49 pm |
    • test

      Dear Jed & The Truth,

      Your Salvation here on earth does not require whatsoever Joseph Smiths Golden Tablets,

      Have a nice day!

      Sincerely,
      Human Commentator

      January 12, 2012 at 7:51 pm |
    • Corpus Christian

      Who is your Jesus?
      Is he God or created by God and the brother of Satan?
      I see you saying you believe in Jesus, but who is the Jesus you believe in?

      If your Jesus is not God, but the created brother of Satan, did you know that Jesus differs from the Jesus of Christianity?
      If you know that why don't you define who your Jesus is when you say you "believe in Jesus"?
      Don't you think you are being a bit deceptive?

      January 13, 2012 at 8:05 pm |
    • Dave

      Test – we know we don't get salvation from Joseph Smith. However, Joseph Smith – like all prophets in history – have pointed us to Christ (who is the author of our salvation).

      January 28, 2012 at 10:42 pm |
  11. White

    NO mormons practice polygamy. it is considered immoral and a sin and you will be excommunicated if you do so. In the early years of the lds church there was a spin-off "mormon" religion that practiced polygamy, but the actual church forbids it. anyone claiming to be mormon when they are polygamists are blatantly lying.

    January 12, 2012 at 7:42 pm |
    • The Truth

      If anyone has any questions about mormons and what they practice here are two of their offical web pages: http://www.mormon.org and http://www.lds.org

      January 12, 2012 at 7:47 pm |
    • Corpus Christian

      Did the "prophet Joseph Smith, the founder of your church have multiple wives? Isn't he the one you claim received the revelations from God? How come it was OK for him, but now is not OK and a sin as you put it?

      January 13, 2012 at 8:11 pm |
  12. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things
    Prayer can bring any sinner that repents into
    The Kingdom of God
    Even a Mormon who repents and turns from Mormonism can be saved

    January 12, 2012 at 7:40 pm |
    • G. Zeus Kreiszchte

      Prayer is 100% ineffectual. If you pray for something and it happens, then oh gee, it must have been "god" favoring me! If on the other hand, "god" doesn't give you what you ask for, then gee, god must have been too busy, or god must have had other plans. BS! Learn to take responsibility for your own actions and achievements because your efforts are the only reason you get anything done!

      January 12, 2012 at 7:46 pm |
    • White

      if that statement wasn't so funny, i'd probably be offended lol

      January 12, 2012 at 7:47 pm |
    • test

      "Prayer is 100% ineffectual."

      mhmm.. just like metaphysics, quantum mechanics etc are all 100% bs too right?

      January 12, 2012 at 7:48 pm |
    • G. Zeus Kreiszchte

      test: I'm sorry, what do metaphysics and physics have in common? Physics can be proven in measurable experiments!

      January 12, 2012 at 7:51 pm |
    • test

      @G.Zeus

      I believe you just proved my point.

      January 12, 2012 at 7:56 pm |
    • G. Zeus Kreiszchte

      Imagining something is not proof, j@ck@$$

      January 12, 2012 at 8:05 pm |
    • Jiminy Cricket

      When you wish upon a star
      Your dreams come true

      January 12, 2012 at 8:44 pm |
  13. G. Zeus Kreiszchte

    Mormonism is nearly on par with Christian Science for being absolutely ludicrous! Who the h&|| believes in this garbage in the 21st century?! Especially since it has its roots in Christianity, which was a counterfeit of Judaism, which was a counterfeit of pre-existing Persian, Greek and/or Egyptian religions. Grow up, idiots!

    January 12, 2012 at 7:38 pm |
    • test

      weak

      January 12, 2012 at 7:39 pm |
  14. LDS William

    Catholics, Christians and Muslims do not share the same beliefs. They are incorrect, and by rejecting our faith, they reject us. Most people of other faiths reject us, and that's not our fault. Until they convert, they're out of luck.

    January 12, 2012 at 7:36 pm |
    • test

      Dear LDS William,

      Salvation does not require Joseph Smiths Golden Tablets.

      Sincerely,
      Human Commentator

      January 12, 2012 at 7:37 pm |
    • The Truth

      Dear test??..

      How would you know? Have you put it to the test?? haha

      January 12, 2012 at 7:40 pm |
    • test

      @The Truth

      John 3:16 does not mention Joseph Smiths golden tablets.

      January 12, 2012 at 7:42 pm |
    • The Phist

      John 3:16 is irrelevant, as is every single scripture in the bible.

      January 12, 2012 at 8:11 pm |
  15. White

    all these arguments are basically atheists vs mormons vs everything else.....

    January 12, 2012 at 7:34 pm |
    • EvolvedDNA

      White. Its not atheists against all the religions, it is religions against human intelligence..we are just pointing out that so far, luckily. you have no proof of the crazy gods you dream up.

      January 12, 2012 at 8:42 pm |
    • fred

      EvolvedDNA
      God is not seen by reason or logic rather God reveals Himself through creation, the Bible and the Spirit. I personally was given a new life by Jesus and that I will never forget. I have witnessed many others that have also received forgiveness from Jesus and a new life.
      If you want to see God there is a common path. First you must become aware of your lost condition which happens when the Spirit works on your soul a realization that sin has separated you from God. Without this nothing happens and all the proof is meaningless. It is a sense of need that causes us to seek God. Then there come a diligent and earnest seeking for the truth. This can be in the Bible or through some other strong believer that knows Gods truth. Suddenly you become of aware of all the truth that has been in front of you as the wonders of God begin to unfold.

      January 12, 2012 at 9:00 pm |
    • EvolvedDNA

      Fred..what you experienced was most likely self confidence. I would imagine that you were down and out,or were suffering some major trauma. Why is it that god lets you get to that point before he reveals himself. He never seams to reveal himself to starving African children. The human body and mind has great resilience developed over millions of years of evolution. Religions , because they teach you that you are imperfect a sinner, hellbound and not worthy, naturally will affect your mindset. You may call your confidence builder Thor, or God, Ra or teddy..it has the same effect.

      January 12, 2012 at 11:11 pm |
    • fred

      EvolvedDNA
      Starving children are a different topic and it is very difficult to hear Gods truth on that if you do not know God or have faith in God’s love for all children. When you have seen that love you understand both Gods compassion and righteous anger at man that chooses other things more important than feeding and caring for defenseless starving children. It makes me mad so I cannot imagine how God is hurt when these children cry out. I have a big problem with children that are harmed.

      As to my conversion it was more than a confidence builder it was a complete change in life. I had no idea what Christians saw in the Bible, God or church now I know.

      January 12, 2012 at 11:38 pm |
    • evolvedDNA

      Fred
      I am sorry but the response to the starving children is a non answer. It is just the usual excuse to protect the fact that nothing happens because god does not exist..IF god is for all of humanity he would not select some to understand the message and some not to..that smacks of favoritism or elitism.. which I am sure you would think Jesus would not have tolerated. Your own Epiphany is of course your business and I am glad you found solace..But many people turn their lives around with out supernatural intervention.

      January 13, 2012 at 3:58 pm |
    • government spy

      Actually, I'm agnostic, and while I believe all the other organized religions are completely full of crap, I think Mormonism is almost as full of crap as Scientolody, which has to be the most fictional of all of them (except Pastafarianism, which is self-aware)

      January 13, 2012 at 4:01 pm |
  16. dave

    I have a few questions for my Evangelical brethren and sisters:
    1. The Mormons are probably the closest group of people to you in terms of social values. They are even slightly more dedicated to their religion as you are per this survey. Why do you NOT seek common ground to work together? If a Muslim came to me with similar beliefs and wanted to work together on common values...I would jump at the chance. Same goes for my Catholic brethren who work with the Mormons on helping the poor. Why do you REJECT your neighbor rather than find common ground. Isn't the basis of almost every social interaction or conversation with new people to find commonality?

    Why do you have the presumption to define what is Christian and what is not? Christians by any definition in the world (except for yours) is someone who believe in the divinity and atonement of Jesus Christ. That He redeemed mankind. I fear that your pastors have led you wrong on this and the whole "cult" thing.

    January 12, 2012 at 7:25 pm |
    • test

      Dear Dave,

      Salvation does not require Joseph Smiths Golden Tablets.

      Sincerely,
      Human Commentator

      January 12, 2012 at 7:30 pm |
    • LORD TOM CRUISE

      jesus didnt redeem sh1t

      January 12, 2012 at 7:30 pm |
    • White

      i whole-heartedly agree

      January 12, 2012 at 7:31 pm |
    • G. Zeus Kreiszchte

      Then why not focus on the tangible, sane "common ground" issues and ditch all the make-believe, hocus pocus, fairy-in-the-sky, magic-underwear BS?

      January 12, 2012 at 7:55 pm |
  17. dave

    Dr. Fritz,
    which part did you find wacko....the 3,925 references to Jesus Christ in 6607 verses? Why would you object to more witnesses of the Lord Jesus Christ

    January 12, 2012 at 6:53 pm |
    • The Phist

      Because it was all written after the the alleged events.

      January 12, 2012 at 6:58 pm |
  18. Casey

    With that basis for an argument, we could say that the human race is based on hate and violence. Most of what is included in the bible were cultural norms for the day. I don't want to get into an argument, but I truly believe in looking for the good in all people, regardless of religion.

    January 12, 2012 at 6:38 pm |
    • The Phist

      The human race is based on activities that happen in bedrooms, half of wish are after drunken parties.

      The cultural "norms" still hold true today in some respects because of religion, such as the hatred of gays. Much of the intolerance you see that is a cultural "norm" today stems from the "norms" of 2,000 years ago when the same intolerance existed. Religions are the excuse for the intolerance. "Oh, I believe being gay is a sin because of my LORD and SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST." That's the kind of trash we hear today. Every single christian friend I have that posts on facebook is always screaming about how gays are ruining the country and how we've become immoral and are losing touch with god, etc. The most intolerant people on the planet are those that follow a religious doctrine, hands down.

      January 12, 2012 at 6:45 pm |
  19. leo

    If mormons hate feeling discriminated against then they should make amends for their own behavior, both past and present. Otherwise they are just childish prats who don't want people to treat them the way they treat others.

    January 12, 2012 at 6:15 pm |
    • Casey

      I have the nagging idea in the back of my head that you may be slightly biased. . . .

      January 12, 2012 at 6:19 pm |
    • leo

      Nagging feelings are usually right. I am biased. Mormons have treated me and my people terribly and I cannot stand their hypocrasy even though I can't seem to spell it right. We should never have let them join the union when Bringham Young went to war with the US. We should have simply wiped them out.

      January 12, 2012 at 6:22 pm |
    • Casey

      I'm sorry you feel that way, not because of mormons, but because that's a heavy weight to be carrying around. However, I don't think that mormons can all be lumped together like that. I don't think that any religion can.

      January 12, 2012 at 6:28 pm |
    • leo

      Yes, you are right, not all mormons are like that but religion by it's very nature is and mormonism is especially prejudice against non mormons. More so than born again jesus freaks.

      January 12, 2012 at 6:30 pm |
    • Casey

      I think that the difficulty lies in the culture surrounding religion. I truly don't believe that mormonism or most other christian religions preach hatred, but I do think that hateful and exclusive cultures can develop among the people that practice many of these religions.

      January 12, 2012 at 6:34 pm |
    • The Phist

      The religions of christianity are based on hatred, murder and intolerance. Just look at the bible.

      January 12, 2012 at 6:36 pm |
    • leo

      Mormons lost any shred of respect I might have for them or their religion when they lobbied so hard to block gay rights. You don't have to go very far in back in their history to see how they treated people of color, only when the Gov forced them to be inclusive did they stop discriminating against blacks and dont even get me started on how they treat women. You get what you give.

      January 12, 2012 at 6:47 pm |
    • Dave

      Leo – it is always interesting to me to see what happens when our church is mentioned in the media. People come out to criticize us. We defend our beliefs. Who is doing the attacking here?

      January 28, 2012 at 10:45 pm |
  20. James

    I'll start a thread right now, but it appears there are 2 James' commenting. I'm the athiest that lives in Utah and has mostly good things to say about Mormans. What do you want to talk about???

    January 12, 2012 at 5:56 pm |
    • The Phist

      The mormon cult is perhaps one of the most idiotic religious groups on the face of the planet. Maybe even the Universe.

      January 12, 2012 at 6:05 pm |
    • Casey

      Thanks James, good to know that you have good things to say about Mormons. As for "The Phist", If you think Mormons are crazy, it's time to analyze every religion on the face of the earth. If you have no belief in God or any type of deity, then one can't be any more crazy than another.

      January 12, 2012 at 6:13 pm |
    • The Phist

      Casey, look at it from the perspective of the basis of the belief system. Mormons believe that a scam artist translated writing from gold tablets that never existed. Joseph Smith was a proven scam artist. That was proven when he "translated" some writings from items that were planted by people to test him. What amazes me is that something so obvious has been ignored by the followers of the faith. Just like many other religions, damning flaws have been outlined, yet people are still stupid enough to believe in them.

      January 12, 2012 at 6:21 pm |
    • cart lambert

      Like most people, I like to think I'm unbiased....but it's hard not to feel strange about a group that seems to want to be very secretive about their practices. They then are likened to Moonies, Jehovah's Witnesses, Scientology etc. Going door to door doesn't help either. It encouranges resentments. I admire their seeming ability to form close family ties, live a clean life and be morally strong, but they must act like they have nothing to hide even if it's different from the majority of people.

      January 12, 2012 at 6:31 pm |
    • The Phist

      Oh yes. Very morally strong. Especially when the polygamists "marry" 12 year old girls. How very David Koresh-esque of them. Very moral indeed!

      January 12, 2012 at 6:34 pm |
    • The Phist

      And before some jerk-off gets its panties in a bunch, I know that not all mormons are polygamists.

      January 12, 2012 at 6:35 pm |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      Well, this just my opinion of course, Mormonism is a pretty dumb religion. Just as crazy, if not a little more than, other religions. However, I will have to say that the people I know who are Mormans are pretty nice people. As many kids as an Irish catholic family, but very nice people.

      January 12, 2012 at 6:35 pm |
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