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January 25th, 2012
12:52 PM ET

My take: Reclaiming Jesus’ sense of humor

Editor’s note: James Martin, SJ, is a Jesuit priest, culture editor of America magazine and author of "Between Heaven and Mirth: Why Joy, Humor, and Laughter are at the Heart of the Spiritual Life," from which this article is adapted.

By James Martin, Special to CNN

Here’s a serious question about levity: The Bible clearly paints a picture of Jesus of Nazareth as a clever guy, but he never seems to laugh, much less crack a smile. Did Jesus really have no sense of humor; didn't he ever laugh?

Well, one difficulty with finding humor in the New Testament is that what was seen as funny to those living in Jesus' time may not seem funny to us.

For someone in first-century Palestine, the premise (or “setup” as a comic would say) was probably more amusing than the punch line. "The parables were amusing in their exaggeration or hyperbole," Amy-Jill Levine, a New Testament scholar at Vanderbilt University, said in an interview. “The idea that a mustard seed would have sprouted into a big bush that birds would build their nests in would be humorous."

People in Jesus’ day would probably have laughed at many of his intentionally funny illustrations: for example, the idea that someone would have lit a lamp and put it under a basket, or that a person would have built a house on sand or that a father would give a child stones instead of bread.

But contemporary Christians may be missing the humor that Jesus intended and that his audience understood.

Father Daniel J. Harrington, SJ, professor of New Testament at Boston College, agrees. "Humor is very culture bound," he told me. "The Gospels have a lot of controversy stories and honor-shame situations. I suspect that the early readers found these stories hilarious, whereas we in a very different social setting miss the point entirely."

Let’s repeat that: hilarious.

Or maybe we just know the stories too well. Too many Gospel stories have become stale, like overly repeated jokes. "The words seem to us like old coins," wrote Elton Trueblood, a 20th-century Quaker scholar, "in which the edges have been worn smooth and the engravings have become almost indistinguishable."

In his book "The Humor of Christ," Trueblood recounts the tale of his 4-year-old son hearing the Gospel story of seeing the speck of dust in your neighbor's eye and ignoring the log in your own and laughing uproariously. His son recognized the humor that someone else, who might have heard the story dozens of times, might miss.

There are other indications in the Gospels that Jesus of Nazareth had a lively sense of humor. In the Gospel of Matthew, Jesus is castigated for not being as serious as John the Baptist. "The Son of Man came eating and drinking," Jesus said, "and they say, ‘Look, a glutton and a drunkard.’ ” In other words, the Gospels record criticism of Jesus for being too high-spirited.

"Jesus and his disciples," said the Rev. Richard J. Clifford, SJ, a biblical scholar at Boston College, "are criticized for living it up!"

After his time on Earth, some of this playfulness may have been downplayed by the Gospel writers, who, scholars say, may have felt pressured by the standards of their day to present a more serious Jesus.

"There were probably things that were compressed and shortened, and some of the humor may have been leached out," Clifford said. "But I see Jesus as a witty fellow, someone who is serious without being grim. When the disciples argue among themselves, Jesus brings wit into the discussion."

Jesus also embraces others with a sense of humor. In the beginning of the Gospel of John comes the remarkable story of Nathanael, who has been told by his friends that the Messiah is from Nazareth. Nathanael responds, "Can anything good come out of Nazareth?"

This is an obvious joke about how backwards the town was; Nazareth was seen as a backwater with only a few hundred people.

And what did Jesus say in response? Does he castigate Nathanael for mocking his hometown?

Jesus says nothing of the sort! Nathanael's humor seems to delight him.

"Here is truly an Israelite in whom there is no deceit," Jesus said. In other words, here’s someone I can trust.

Nathanael then became one of the apostles. Jesus’ welcoming of Nathanael into his inner circle may be the clearest indication that Jesus had a sense of humor.

Besides, what kind of a person has zero sense of humor? I asked Eileen Russell, a clinical psychologist based in New York who specializes in the role of resilience, how she would describe the psychological makeup of a person without a sense of humor.

“A person without a sense of humor would lead to that person having significant social problems,” she said. “He would most likely have difficulty making social connections, because he wouldn’t be able to read signals from other people, and would be missing cues.”

That’s the opposite of what we know about Jesus from the Gospels. Yet that's just the kind of one-sided image that many Christians have of Jesus. It shows up in Christian books, sermons and in artwork. It influences the way that Christians think about Jesus, and therefore influences their lives as Christians.

If part of being human includes having a sense of humor, and if Jesus was “fully human,” as Christians believe, he must have had a fully developed sense of humor. Indeed, his sense of humor may be one unexamined reason for his ability to draw so many disciples around him with ease.

It’s time to set aside the notion that Jesus was a humorless, grim-faced, dour, unsmiling prude. Let’s begin to recover his humor and, in the process, his humanity.

- CNN Belief Blog

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  1. David Johnson

    Jesus predicted He would return in the 1st century. He convinced His disciples this was so.

    It has been 2000+ years. I think Jesus did have a sense of humor. Like Linus, believers are still looking up at the sky, waiting on the Great Pumpkin to come.

    If He were not dead, I think Jesus would appreciate the humor in their wait.

    Just bein' honest with you

    January 26, 2012 at 1:12 pm |
    • The Kind-Of-Good Pumpkin (hoping for a promotion to the Swell Pumpkin)

      You mock the Great Pumpkin? Blasphemer! Heretic! You are hereby DOOMED to spend the rest of eternity as a puss-oozing pimple on the Great Pumpkins butt! Your teeth will gnash, your feet will do the cha-cha, and you will join a bad mariachi band in Detroit! All these terrible things will come true when you die! Christopher Hitchens is now playing bad tuba in the pimple band for not believing! All the prophesies of the Book Of Pumpkin have come true!

      Evil ones, you will suffer for eternity if you don't believe and kowtow now! All Pumpkin disbelievers will suffer!

      January 26, 2012 at 1:23 pm |
    • just sayin

      either david johnson is a liar or totally ignorant of Biblical facts. It seems david has a long standing reputation as a liar

      January 26, 2012 at 1:35 pm |
    • Alfred E Neuman

      Davy does so like to be noticed
      Cheers

      January 26, 2012 at 1:36 pm |
    • Bizarre

      just sayin',

      Biblical facts?

      The only facts in that book are perhaps some genealogy of old Israeli tribal folks and some stories which include real geographical areas in a small section of the Middle East.

      There is not a shred of verified evidence for the supernatural beings or events told about in that book.

      January 26, 2012 at 1:45 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      @just sayin

      If you think he's wrong point out how. Blathering on that he knows nothing yet not giving any relevant information to the contrary is useless.

      January 26, 2012 at 1:46 pm |
    • Franco Saudelli

      "Just bein' honest with you"

      That is subjective.

      January 26, 2012 at 1:49 pm |
    • Robert Brown

      I used to have trouble with that section too, where he goes from talking about the fall of the temple to the Kingdom of God. He didn't say he was coming back in the 1st century. He said this generation shall not pass till all of this has been fulfilled. I think he is saying that everything that needs to happen before he can return will happen before some of them had passed away.

      January 26, 2012 at 2:10 pm |
    • iamdeadlyserious

      You can twist the words whichever way you like but they're quite explicit: Jesus says that some of the disciples present for the Resurrection (or some of the 5,000 people, depending on which gospel you believe) would still be alive when he came back. Unless one of them is actually the knight from Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, it's not happening.

      January 26, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
    • J.W

      He didn't actually say he was going to go to heaven and come back to earth before they had died. It can be interpreted that way, but I do not believe that interpretation.

      January 26, 2012 at 3:06 pm |
    • David Johnson

      Jesus is not coming back. There will be no rapture.

      Matthew 24:36 "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."

      Hmm... Jesus may not have known the day or the hour, but He did predict a 1st Century return. How can the Messiah and God incarnate be wrong? Can you think of a reason?

      A number of New Testament passages indicate that Christ was supposed to return before his generation had died. This would have been sometime in the first century AD.
      First, there is the testimony of Jesus himself, who explicitly stated that some of his disciples would not die until Jesus inst_ituted the Kingdom, and that his generation would not pass away until all his prophecies of the end of the world had been fulfilled:
      Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

      Matthew 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

      Jesus' speech in 24 and 25 was given, when He was alone with His disciples.

      Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

      Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
      In this discourse, Jesus makes a number of assertions about the fate of his disciples. One of the signs of the end would be the persecution of his disciples:
      Matthew 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
      While tradition records that the disciples were persecuted and martyred, this was not followed by the return of Christ, as he promised. Would they die for a lie? Apparently... Or at least for something they were told and believed. LOL.

      Jesus instructed his disciples to hurry because the time for preaching before his return was relatively short:

      Mathew 10:23 When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next, for truly, I say to you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

      Hmm... Seems like 2000 years and change, would be more than enough time. Even if you slept in and stopped for coffee. Let's see, Liar; Lunatic; or Lord. Or, the one I like, Fictional.

      The Apostle Paul, too, seemed to think that Christ would return for his generation:
      I Thessalonians 4:15-17 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

      Note that Paul twice uses the phrase '...we which are alive and remain...'.
      This seems to preclude the theory that Paul was speaking of some far future generation. Paul made a similar assertion in First Corinthians:
      I Corinthians 15:51,52 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

      Note that Paul said that '...we shall not all sleep...'. In other words, he expected that at least some of his generation would not see death.

      Again, there is nothing in the text to indicate that Paul was speaking about some far future generation.

      Paul reiterated his belief in a soon return of Christ in the Book of Romans:
      Romans 13:11-12 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.

      And John:
      1 John 2:18 Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour.

      The other New Testament writers had similar thoughts about the iminence of Christ's return:
      James 5:8 Be ye also patient; establish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.

      I John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. WoW! Obama wasn't even born...How can this be???

      I Peter 4:7 But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.

      The Apocalyptic Book of Revelations repeatedly has Christ saying that he would return soon:
      Revelation 22:20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly....

      By no stretch of the imagination can 2,000 years be considered 'quickly' LOL

      And, to say That a thousand years is like a day to the lord, is dumb. A thousand years is not like a day to humans. An almighty god would certainly understand what "quickly" would mean to humans.

      Jesus was wrong. Jesus has been really busy being really dead, for the last 2,000 years.

      According to historian Charles Freeman, Early Christians expected Jesus to return within a generation of his death. When the second coming did not occur, the early Christian communities were thrown into turmoil." – Wikipedia: Freeman, Charles. The Closing of the Western Mind: The Rise of Faith and Fall of Reason, p. 133. Vintage. 2002.

      Cheers!

      January 26, 2012 at 3:15 pm |
    • fred

      David is that you ? your cut and paste is showing some signs of "Reality"

      January 26, 2012 at 3:53 pm |
    • Robert Brown

      Thanks for all the scripture references that is great. The Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Heaven that Jesus was refering to, that they would see before some of them passed is the spiritual Kingdom. Where the Church can be physically seen, the Kingdom is the Spiritual realm and rule of God. Both of which began in the first century. The references for the second coming are just that and it wouldn't have done us any good if he said and by the way all be back on 1/25/12. The folks in the first century would have had less motivation to get right as soon as they heard the Word. The whole point is to get ready and stay that way. Thanks.

      January 26, 2012 at 4:05 pm |
    • John Davidson

      "who explicitly stated that some of his disciples would not die until Jesus inst_ituted the Kingdom,"

      And what does that mean? To "inst_itute" the Kingdom?

      January 26, 2012 at 4:11 pm |
    • Robert Brown

      You answered the first one in your prior post with all the scripture references. I think the ist-tute you are refering means to start, begin, set up, or establish. Something like that. The whole thing hinges though on the definition of the Kingdom. I believe he was talking about a spiritual Kingdom which all believers become a member of when they are saved. Thanks.

      January 26, 2012 at 4:19 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Robert Brown

      Interpret it (spin it) however you like. There are several ways believers have gotten around this fatal error. But the reality is, Jesus believed He would be back in the 1st century. He was obviously wrong. An all knowing god, cannot be wrong. Therefore...

      Believer's Rule of Thumb:
      If a bible verse furthers the cause, it is to be taken literally. If a bible verse is detrimental to the cause, it is either: taken out of context; is allegorical; refers to another verse somewhere else; is a translation or copyist's error; means something other than what it actually says; Is a mystery of god or not discernable by humans; or is just plain magic.

      We must save our god, at all costs! LOL

      Cheers!

      January 28, 2012 at 1:13 am |
    • Phillip Evans

      Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till (Gr. heos AN – hypothetical) all these things be fulfilled.

      Mat 23:39 – CONDITIONAL

      Mat 24:30 – UNCONDITIONAL

      IF the generation has been accounted (P), THEN the kingdom is the LORD'S: and he is the governor among the nations. (Q) Psa 22:28, 30.

      Messiah the governor is cut off (~Q) Dan 9:25-26

      THEREFORE, NOT the GENERATION has been accounted. (~P)

      P -> Q
      ~Q
      ├ ~P

      VALID REASONING

      But see Rev 12:10-11.

      January 30, 2012 at 9:08 am |
      • AlickWMS

        You take a 19th century phrase out of context and use it to invent your own grammatical rules.

        You also pretend every use of the word 'till' means if when it also means when.

        Almost all of your arguments are based on faulty premises and are therefore irrelevant.

        CONCLUSION: You have not reasoned logically with the data. Your belief has made you inferior.

        January 2, 2014 at 1:11 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      The biblical definition of a generation can be found in Psalm 90.
      "The years of our lives are 70; and if by reason of strength they be 80 years, yet most of them are labor and sorrow; for life is soon cut off and we fly away."
      26 Psalms 90:10
      This is confirmed in the Gospel of Matthew.
      "Therefore all the generations from Abraham down to David are 14 generations; and from David down to the Babylonian captivity are 14 generations; and from the Babylonian captivity down to messiah, are 14 generations."
      – Matthew 1:17
      Matthew is using the Psalm 90 definitions of Generation in order to tell a specific chronological story

      That generation has indeed passed and the much lauded carpenter zombie did not return.

      January 30, 2012 at 9:11 am |
    • Phillip Evans

      irrelevant.

      The apostles were justified in saying that the end was near. It was, but conditionally upon Israel's repentance.

      Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
      Act 1:7 And he said unto them, IT IS NOT FOR YOU TO KNOW the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

      Learn logic. Read all the text. Conduct statement analysis.

      http://biblicalvalidity.blogspot.com/

      January 30, 2012 at 9:11 am |
    • Phillip Evans

      Well, THAT shut him up.

      Maybe now he'll go back and refresh his memory on his college reasoning class material.

      January 30, 2012 at 9:32 am |
    • Gene

      Talk about taking things out of context. Jesus did not say that the Disciples would not have passed away before his return. If you read the entirety of Matthew 24, Jesus is talking about the events that will lead to his return. He then describes the signs of the moons and the stars. He said to take a lesson from the fig tree. When its branches become tender and its leaves come out, that is a sign that summer is near.
      When you see the heavenly events he told of, that is a sign that his coming is near. "This Generation" is the generation that sees those signs. This Generation (that sees these signs) shall not pass away untill all these things have happened.

      January 30, 2012 at 7:29 pm |
  2. Robert Brown

    Christianity: Peace and Joy

    January 26, 2012 at 12:54 pm |
    • bnb42

      Ren and Stimpy: Happy happy, Joy Joy

      January 26, 2012 at 12:59 pm |
    • I_get_it

      Mr. Pollyanna Brown, If you get peace and joy from this, you are nuts.

      "Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself. He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written: King of Kings and Lord of Lords." - The book of Revelation

      January 26, 2012 at 1:07 pm |
    • Robert Brown

      Yes, I could be, thank you.

      The wrath of God is a terrible thing. The peace and joy still apply knowing you want be subject to the Wrath. There is however, sorrow for those who will.

      January 26, 2012 at 1:21 pm |
    • rick

      Robert Brown: What authority do you have to speak about the "wrath of god"?

      January 26, 2012 at 1:25 pm |
    • Al Venter

      Robert is right! The wrath of God is a terrible thing! I have seen it! Okay, I haven't actually seen it. Nobody has. But My mommy and daddy told me about it, so it just has to be true. Robert's mommy and daddy told him the same thing, and people like us flock together and keep telling each other that it is true, even though we have never seen any evidence of it, and since we all agree, it must be true!!!

      So you are doomed, unbeliever. God's wrath is really terrible. As I imagine it.

      January 26, 2012 at 1:30 pm |
    • Oh Yeah

      Robert Brown
      "The peace and joy still apply knowing you want be subject to the Wrath. There is however, sorrow for those who will."

      Isn't that like the joy and security that came with either actually being a Nazi, or with being a collaborator to the Nazis? Personally, I'd rather live with honor and integrity in opposition to such brutal tyranny, but I can understand how people who are only interested in self-preservation would prefer the coward's way.

      January 26, 2012 at 6:30 pm |
  3. Staring Horse with Tongue Sticking Out

    Christianity: One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand.

    January 26, 2012 at 12:18 pm |
    • rick

      "No, I'm a...a virgin...yeah, that's it"

      January 26, 2012 at 1:26 pm |
  4. David Johnson

    I don't see the problem. Jesus is an urban legend. If you want him to have a sense of humor, give him one. If you want him to sport a mullet, make it so. LOL

    Just helping to make your religious experience more meaningful

    January 26, 2012 at 12:17 pm |
    • fred

      Do you wear aluminum on your head to protect against aliens steeling your thoughts ? Be aware that just about as many people wear aluminum on their heads as believe Jesus never existed. May even be the same people.

      January 26, 2012 at 12:26 pm |
    • fred

      yood neverr guess that my IQ is lower than gump, would you? I fool you with my schmarty comments.

      January 26, 2012 at 1:14 pm |
    • RH of WI

      @Fred – It's stealing, not steeling. Just saying.

      January 26, 2012 at 1:18 pm |
    • fred

      RH of WI
      No, when Dave puts the aluminum foil on his head it blocks aliens from turning his thoughts cold as steel.

      January 26, 2012 at 3:51 pm |
    • Oh Yeah

      fred
      Are you seriously claiming that the same people who are skeptical about Jesus' existence would be easily convinced in the shielding properties of aluminum foil? I guess there's no point in actually questioning you rationality, is there?

      January 26, 2012 at 6:37 pm |
  5. Harlequinn

    I have ALWAYS said this very same thing. How can someone be as enlightened as Jesus was said to be and have no sense of humour? Jesus was very much about enjoying life and all it had to offer, while at the same time, being nice, helping others when you can, don't add to anyone else's burdens, share and be joyful. I mean, if you believe what is stated about him in the bible, he knew he was going to be arrested and crucified and the night before it went down, he was having a party with his friends. He threw himself a wake.
    I truly think that if the organized Christian religions of the world taught their adherents about THIS Jesus as opposed to the broken, beaten, flagellated, bloody icon of enduring suffering, their doctrines would be much more palatable and thier congregations much happier.

    January 26, 2012 at 12:11 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      Not only did he give himself a wake...but he trolled the he.ll out of Judas.

      Jesus: One of you will betray me.
      Judas: *thinking* Oh crap...now what do I do *commence total freak out session*
      Jesus: *Back in his room* BWAHAHAHA His face was HILARIOUS!!! *Probably drunk off his own "blood"*

      January 26, 2012 at 1:53 pm |
  6. iamdeadlyserious

    What an interesting idea. Religion with a sense of humor. You mean it would be possible to have religious beliefs and not have a bunch of idiots trying to kill each other because they don't know how to take a joke?

    Would be nice if this could work...

    January 26, 2012 at 11:15 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      I knew a Southern Baptist family who wouldn't let their kids watch Quantum Leap.
      They believe that the show's premise of God having made a mistake and sending someone back in time to fix it, was terribly blasphemous.
      God doesn't make mistakes!
      .

      January 26, 2012 at 11:22 am |
    • Nonimus

      ... or at s/he learns from mistakes, e.g. rainbows.

      January 26, 2012 at 11:26 am |
    • Nonimus

      "at" should read "at least"

      January 26, 2012 at 11:26 am |
  7. chief

    so a lawyer and a priest are on a sinking ship.... the captain says, "all the women and children off the boat" ... the lawyer says, "screw the children".... the priest says, "you think we have time"?

    January 26, 2012 at 10:49 am |
    • justme

      and what's the rest of the story?

      January 26, 2012 at 11:06 am |
    • Wow

      "and what's the rest of the story?"

      why does there have to be and ending?

      January 26, 2012 at 11:13 am |
    • justme

      what does and ending really mean? don;t bother, i'm out of here.

      January 26, 2012 at 11:18 am |
    • Wow

      "what does and ending really mean?'

      What's the rest of the story?

      January 26, 2012 at 11:20 am |
  8. Robert Brown

    Jesus has a great sense of humor. What could be funnier. Two thousand years after the crucifixion we are still discussing him. Christians calling on sinners to repent. What is really funny is nonbelievers ranting and raving about Christians. What gets you riled up so much?

    January 26, 2012 at 10:27 am |
    • *facepalm*

      What gets me riled up? Using legislating religion into schools under the false guise of science and using an ancient book to deny rights to others for starters.

      January 26, 2012 at 10:30 am |
    • DaLe

      facepalm, so, if it is all so bad and ugly, what is your alternative? don't care as long daughter shuts her mouth, or what?

      January 26, 2012 at 10:36 am |
    • *facepalm*

      @DaLe – can you use normal English, please?

      I have plenty of friends and family who are believers. But they keep their beliefs to themselves in that they don't attempt to legislate their beliefs on the rest of us.

      January 26, 2012 at 10:40 am |
    • DaLe

      Human rights being?

      January 26, 2012 at 10:43 am |
    • DaLe

      respectivly, especially human rights without really caring about humans nor animals, being?

      January 26, 2012 at 10:44 am |
    • YeahRight

      "don't care as long daughter shuts her mouth,"

      Your bible tells you to have women keep their mouths shut.

      January 26, 2012 at 10:45 am |
    • DaLe

      that's what one guy/priest said about women in church, which is a set in a wider context. Or is it not so?

      January 26, 2012 at 10:47 am |
    • DaLe

      e.g. do you have in congress everyone shouting as they want any time they want, kind of as in a zoo? Or e.g., there are even songs when the lead singer says "now only men" or "now only women".

      January 26, 2012 at 10:49 am |
    • DaLe

      facepalm, respectivly, excuse the rude language for apparently we are in the jungle where about every animal is free to act as they want, which is alright in many aspects, but makes it difficult for various animals to talk together or with each other, not even talking about building anything together or such. An important point about legislation and in this case christian religion, is that there are the ten commandments. As you may be aware life is rather complex and about everyone here is kind of dependant on society, respectivly on their place in society, which takes us to the first commandment which is probably disputed by many but in social order stuff terms makes a lot of sense (such as that you would prefer a medical operation to happen by a proper surgeon and not by his lay-assistent or a fake self-proclaimed surgeon). As for the other commandments, which as I tried to point out are in relation with complexity of life, which one is the one you don't like? Or which ones don't you agree with, and mainly why not?

      January 26, 2012 at 10:58 am |
    • *facepalm*

      There are 600+ commandments in the old testament. why are you limited the discussion to 10. Christians particularly focus on one code in leviticus to deny civil rights (marriage) to others. That's one thing I have an issue with.

      January 26, 2012 at 11:02 am |
    • DaLe

      I didn't "limit" – Jews have ten basic commandmentsm as far as I know, and yes, religious Jewish life is nothing for gent-iles, respectivly not for all of them or us. 🙂 And even in many, not all though, secular schools it doesn't work that way that as long as teachers get well paid that they would hand out diploms etc. just like that, leading e.g. to professionals who are no professionals. Similarly e.g. in military.
      It is always difficult to have a kind of scholarly discussion about anything if no source is cited. I presume you don't mean by the code the thing about prohibitions of marrying children (as defined by age), or prohibitions about zo0ph1lia, necr0ph1lia, or 1ncest. I presume you refer to g4y marriage, just as not only the old Greeks used to do? Sure, I think it is sad that anyone would live the evening of their life alone, so from that I personally don't have anything against g4y relations if I am not part of it. G4ys are foremostly humans too, and albeit I don't mind a bit crazy, I am not a fan or such of self-deception with regard of idolatry. While many enjoy rather hedonistic and short-termed viewed approaches, in the long-term g4yity probably wouldn't cause extinction of given society (considering artificialities), but it sounds a lot as it may lead, if it hasn't already, to completly separated societies within a society, and that not because of partial bias or because of religious policies, but because of everyday stuff such as Peter and Paul living happily together being more asked for by service employers than a potential mother or a father who did get little sleep during nights because of children. So, if in this case nobility Peter and Paul not only have a larger income, but also want better e.g. tax benefits even though they literally ain't leaving anything behind – claiming that them two are the ones oppressed becaused of such seems rather ridiculous, does it not?
      Written quickly as I am out of money for further time in the internet cafe here.

      January 26, 2012 at 11:28 am |
    • Robert Brown

      He said it was wrong so it is. Jesus taught even thinking of doing something wrong was wrong. So, we are all guilty and need a Savior. I think civil unions are a good compromise. You might as well face the fact that the country is fairly evenly divided on the issue. You can call it anything you like, even marriage, and possibly get some laws passed to share some benefits. I don't see you getting much else until or unless you all become the overwhelming majority.

      January 26, 2012 at 12:23 pm |
    • *facepalm*

      Please tell me where jesus said it was wrong. Book, chapter and verse.

      If yo're referring to god, god also said that polyester blends are wrong. Are you wanting to ban mixed fabric as well? Or are you just cherry picking and wanting to enforce your god's laws that wouldn't apply to you?

      January 26, 2012 at 12:25 pm |
    • Robert Brown

      I tend to agree with you just from memory I don't recall Jesus teaching on it at all while he was on earth. I believe in the Trinity so the reference was in Leviticus somewhere early like 6 or 7. I don't agree with you but what you call banning is really a matter of a legal definition of marriage.

      January 26, 2012 at 12:45 pm |
    • rick

      Robert Brown: I cannot speak for other non-believers, but the pompousness of people claiming to know the mind of god irks me.

      January 26, 2012 at 1:29 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "the pompousness of people claiming to know the mind of god irks me."

      Especially since they have no proof of their god.

      January 26, 2012 at 1:31 pm |
  9. SCDad

    The myth of Jesus was based on the myth of Horus. Neither was a real person.
    http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa5b.htm

    January 26, 2012 at 10:25 am |
    • Phillip Evans

      A correlation, however weak it might be, is not a causation.

      January 30, 2012 at 4:50 pm |
  10. DaLe

    Was and is personal jokes (not sure how to define "personal joke", ranging from joke on looks to joke on behaviour to joke on situation etc. I guess) ever actually funny and dignified? Respectivly, when is it and when isn't it? Broader topic certainly, e.g. also depending on who makes any such joke I guess...

    January 26, 2012 at 10:09 am |
    • DaLe

      In other words,

      "being too high-spirited"
      'Is that even possible to be TOO high-spirited?'

      January 26, 2012 at 10:12 am |
    • DaLe

      ...
      I think it is, as "too high-spirited" in relation to jokes etc. may mean making either supposed jokes which are not funny at all, or (in case of high-spirited audience) statements or situations being laughed at which are not really funny at all in itself.

      January 26, 2012 at 10:17 am |
    • DaLe

      *statements or situations being laughed at which are not really funny at all in itself nor anyhow meant as such.

      January 26, 2012 at 10:18 am |
    • DaLe

      respectivly, has to do with many persons getting stuff into the wrong throat i guess, or putting stuff there themselves, I guess. You know, like making up rules afterwards, or not informing about any existing rules beforehand, or just taking the p*ss of others because they are full of inferioty complexes, or just enjoy watching others suffer, or something. Anyhow, see you around one day or another.

      January 26, 2012 at 10:25 am |
    • Oh Yeah

      DaLe
      'Is that even possible to be TOO high-spirited?'

      Ever see A Clockwork Orange? Those boys were really high-spirited, wouldn't you say?

      January 26, 2012 at 11:26 am |
    • DaLe

      Good point. 🙂 Albeit Christians would probably say that they were low-spirited, respectivly high on liquid spirits, I guess.

      January 26, 2012 at 11:35 am |
  11. PC

    Tell me about the one about where he gets nailed to the cross.

    January 26, 2012 at 9:55 am |
    • really funny?

      The Jews were being nice to jesus. It was a wooden airplane they made for him. .. he just kept falling off.

      January 26, 2012 at 10:16 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Jesus and Moses are on a fishing trip in Heaven, reminiscing about the old days.
      "Hey Moses," Jesus mused. "Remember back in the day when you parted the Red Sea? Think you can still do that?"
      "Oh yeah! That was a great trick! So moses raised his fishing pole, pointed to the waters and slammed it down on the boat.
      Lo and behold, the waters parted.
      "Hey Jesus, remember way back when you wowed 'em all by walking on teh water? Think you can still do that?" asked Moses.
      So Jesus stands up in the boat, steps over teh side... and sinks straight to the bottom of the lake.
      "Hang on, Mo. I think I'm a bit out of practice." Jesus closes his eyes, gathers himself and tries again. SPLASH – He sinks like a rock.
      Both men sit there pondering what could be wrong when Moses snaps his fingers and says "I've got it!"
      "The first time you did that trick, you didn't have those holes in your feet!"

      January 26, 2012 at 10:21 am |
    • DaLe

      Interested in "pin-up" jokes, are you? 🙂
      Seriously though, it seems it is a rather tragic story about abuse and misuse.

      January 26, 2012 at 10:31 am |
  12. emmodelee

    Who is the real Jesus ? I found this web site Desposyni Church which has amazing info about the real Jesus. It rings and sounds true. There are podcasts about Jesus autobiography. The 3-CD autobiography is $12 each CD of which $5 will be donated to the AIDS orphans in Africa.

    January 26, 2012 at 9:50 am |
  13. DSBsky

    Religious people don't have a sense of humor.. They are to busy trying to force everyone to do things their way to have one..

    January 26, 2012 at 9:41 am |
  14. justsayinsomethin

    If you anti religious folks are so anti religion, why are you even taking the time to read this article and post comments about it?

    January 26, 2012 at 9:32 am |
    • SeanNJ

      Silliness shouldn't go unchallenged anywhere.

      January 26, 2012 at 9:43 am |
    • Oh Yeah

      Isn't that like asking why the pro-life folks bother to protest abortion clinics? Is it wrong to try to reason with misguided people?

      January 26, 2012 at 11:45 am |
    • umreally

      Hey OhYeah....I've seen your posts ALL over this trail. I think you're the biggest believer of us all, you just haven't realized it. You're spending a bit too much time on this post to not believe.

      January 26, 2012 at 9:29 pm |
  15. just sayin

    "to dam" would be to prevent or reduce the flow of ... sounds like a good thing

    January 26, 2012 at 9:21 am |
  16. George

    Oh gag me.

    January 26, 2012 at 8:50 am |
  17. Rainer Braendlein

    Reclaiming Jesus' sense of humor???

    I think Jesus had no reason at all to be jokey.

    First, Jesus foresaw the bad future of Israel and Jerusalem:

    Mark 13: 1: And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here! 2 And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

    Indeed, about 40 years after Jesus' Ascension in 70 after Christ the Temple was destroyed by the Romans and very many Jews perished. Furthermore many Jews became slaves of the Romans and were scattered all over the world. The Jewish nation ceased for 1800 years.

    Secondly, Jesus came to comfort and to cure afflicted people. He wanted to help people, which suffered from the consciousness of their sinfulness. Should the Redeemer of such people be jokey? Would you expect a physician, who cures an invalid, to be jokey? A ill person doens't need jokes, but cure. Exactly this was delivered by Jesus.

    Thirdly, Jesus was aware of his own fate. He knew that he would be crucified in Jerusalem. Should someone, who expects a terrible death, be jokey?

    January 26, 2012 at 8:41 am |
    • YeahRight

      That's funny! Rainer is SOOOO serious.... but guess what, laughter is the best medicine, those that laugh can heal themselves faster. So lighten up Rainer!

      January 26, 2012 at 8:52 am |
    • honesty

      If he was truly god incarnate, why should he fear death (a process he created)? In fact, wouldn't all of reality be a joke to him as it is a game of his own creation?

      January 26, 2012 at 9:36 am |
  18. Robert Brown

    I am new to this Blog and am honestly surprised at all the different beliefs. Those of you who would like to participate would you reply to my post with what you believe, appoximate age, and generally where you live?

    Do you believe in God? If so, what if any religion do you practice? If you do not believe in God, Could you explain why?

    I will get the ball rolling. I believe in God and am a Christian. I worship in a Primitive Baptist Church. I live in the Southeastern US and am in my mid 40's. Thanks.

    January 26, 2012 at 8:40 am |
    • huh?

      Way too much information

      January 26, 2012 at 8:42 am |
    • Rainer Braendlein

      I studied a little the doctrines of the fathers of the church (Athanasius, John of Damascus, ... ) and figured out that re-baptism was prohibited by the Early Church.

      Even more modern theologians like Luther and Bonhoeffer rejected re-baptism.

      Don't you mind about that?

      As far as I know your church practices re-baptism. That is an abomination in God's sight.

      January 26, 2012 at 8:47 am |
    • JT

      "If you do not believe in God, Could you explain why?". Simple...lack of evidence. Why do you believe in your particular deity and follow the Primitive Baptist sect of Protestant Christianity?

      January 26, 2012 at 9:07 am |
    • Robert Brown

      Hey Rainer Braendlein,
      I am not sure what you mean by re-baptism. It is a requirement to be baptised to join the church. Thanks.

      Hey JT,
      I follow because over 30 years ago God put a desire in my heart and mind to seek him and when I did he saved me. It has been a wonderful experience as I have learned more about him and I am still learning today. Thanks.

      January 26, 2012 at 9:29 am |
    • MarkinFL

      "honestly surprised at all the different beliefs"

      You don't get out much, do you? Seriously, you've just invited everyone to a religious war.....

      January 26, 2012 at 11:14 am |
    • David Johnson

      When you say primitive baptist church, does that mean you are into stone tools and drawing pictures on the wall?

      January 26, 2012 at 12:24 pm |
    • Robert Brown

      No, it is really just early 20th century Baptist, before all the recent doctrinal changes. Thanks.

      January 26, 2012 at 2:13 pm |
    • rick

      i do not believe in a god. i am a 55 year old male living in the rust belt

      January 26, 2012 at 2:25 pm |
    • Over It

      I am a 67 year old female Californian, a former devout believer for many, many years, who now finds no evidence for any of the gods, not even the one of the Judeo-Christian Bible.

      January 26, 2012 at 2:33 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      Atheist here. 26 years old and if you can't figure our where I am then I have no idea what to say.

      January 26, 2012 at 2:36 pm |
  19. just sayin

    Science is given to man by God. Science is welcomed by believers. The real problem the world faces is non belief.

    January 26, 2012 at 8:31 am |
    • YeahRight

      "The real problem the world faces is non belief."

      Since supposedly many people in the world claim to be religious and this planet has gone to crap, that proves the world would be better to not believe in fairy tales since it makes them lazy.

      January 26, 2012 at 8:34 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      In what should the world believe?
      Let me guess – everyone should believe in the same things as you.

      January 26, 2012 at 8:39 am |
    • just sayin

      Unity in belief could usher in the next dispensation.

      January 26, 2012 at 8:41 am |
    • YeahRight

      "Unity in belief could usher in the next dispensation."

      it's why we have laws moron, you don't need a God for that.

      January 26, 2012 at 8:43 am |
    • Primewonk

      I would hope not. Your god was a crappy scientist. He couldn't even calculate pi past 3.0. He didn't eve understand that you can't have vegetation on land before you have a sun.

      January 26, 2012 at 9:22 am |
    • just sayin

      Really? who do you think revealed all knowledge to mankind?what is with pi?

      January 26, 2012 at 9:28 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @just sayin
      You mean Pi as revealed in 1 Kings 7
      "And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about. "

      If we whip out our abacus, we'll find that the bible assigns Pi a value of ..... 3!
      Close one for God's messengers, but no cigar.

      January 26, 2012 at 11:18 am |
    • David Johnson

      Science was not given to man by god. But, god was given life by man.

      Just helpin' you not to be delusional

      January 26, 2012 at 12:27 pm |
    • fred

      David Johnson not only has heard the talking serpent but now reveals he is consumed by the pride of life. "Eat of the apple David and you will be wise like God'. Not only is David wise like God he now thinks man created God. Yep, we have come a long way in 6,000 years. Thanks for proving the Bible true David !

      January 26, 2012 at 12:34 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "he now thinks man created God."

      Man did create Gods and there is absolutely NO proof of any Gods existences.

      January 26, 2012 at 12:39 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @fred

      Everything must have a first cause. ? The god's first cause was good wine, a warm fire and the need to explain a world that confused ancient man.

      Cheers!

      January 26, 2012 at 12:46 pm |
    • fred

      YeahRight
      If there is a God man could not have created God. Man has over his history created many gods and there is a significant difference between a man made god and a living God. You enjoy your silly games unfortunately there are some vulnerable believers out there that buy your nonsense. Here as always the Bible stands true and you prove it that you cannot see the difference between the Tooth Fairy, Zeus and a Living God!

      January 26, 2012 at 12:46 pm |
    • fred

      David Johnson
      Even with aluminum on your head to protect your thoughts you have no more knowledge about first cause than did the Greeks you admire. Just as the Greeks had a monument to the unknown god you also have an unknown god that you chose to call something else in order to sound scientific. The Greeks as many did who did not know god made their own gods which they quickly cast asside when Paul showed them the difference between their unknown god and the Living God.

      January 26, 2012 at 12:53 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @fred

      Only 33% of the world believes in the Christian god. 67% do not believe. I think that is poor performance for a living god. LOL

      Cheers!

      January 26, 2012 at 1:05 pm |
    • fred

      David Johnson
      I would love to accept your numbers yet, how many of the 33% are in Christ ? Given our knowledge about God comes from the Bible the position is that not all those who claim Jesus is Lord are truly in Christ. Combine that with the consistent thread throughout the Bible where only a small remnant (like Noah) are brought through from generation to generation and you see 33% seems very high. If there is a God and we are but given all the time we need to reveal the true nature of our soul here on earth what difference does it make what percentage are Christian? The standard is not do you claim to this faith or that but: is your heart (soul) inclined towards God with love and has this love manifested itself in loveing your neighbor as yourself? These are not confusing standards and they are not dependent upon first cause or eveolution or any other scientific theory or laws.

      January 26, 2012 at 1:20 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "Combine that with the consistent thread throughout the Bible where only a small remnant (like Noah) "

      That's because your god is a tyrant and murders all the rest, what a monster.

      January 26, 2012 at 1:22 pm |
    • fred

      YeahRight
      I understand your need to find fault with God (even though you claim God does not exist) but you can do better than that. If God exists then as creator God not only has a better ideas than yours Gods ways would be better than yours. As to the claim of murder it is not murder when you toss a rabbid rat into the furnace. Your core confusion is that you mix your thoughts and ways with those of God. Be a great atheist and know that there is no God (even though you have no proof, entire history of humanoids points to something beyond the known, God has sent hundreds of messengers to you proclaiming God) but stop taking the revelation of God from a Bible you claim is false then making an entire argument and building a world view on that artificial foundation you yourself created. That you cannon see the folly of you conflicted behavior actually proves the Bible correct when it details this conflicted behavior of the godless in their attempt to remain in the denial of the truth.
      If there is a God be thankful he has not already tossed you in the furnace. If there is no God then just go do what ever you do in your life which every instinct in you says stop this is wrong. I wll not use the word sin since you have yet to decide if there is a God or if there is no God. Make up your mind then sin or don't sin.

      January 26, 2012 at 1:44 pm |
    • An inconvenient truth

      The Holy Bible was not written as a math text, the generalization that is interpreted by you losers as pi is sufficient for the context of what was given. Often times the Bible references approximate measurements not specific measurements to a decimal point. It is along the same rational that allows us to say six million were killed in the holocaust. But then you thrive on trying to undermine God at every opportunity, you are more to be pitied than admired for that.

      January 26, 2012 at 1:48 pm |
    • YeaRight

      “As to the claim of murder it is not murder when you toss a rabbid rat into the furnace.”

      Yes it is when it’s a human being. So seeing as there are many of these "rats" wasting their lives in jail then you should be in full support of allowing us today to toss then into a furnace like Hitler did. Oh, that's right Hitler was a monster and a tyrant, just like your god.

      “even though you have no proof, entire history of humanoids points to something beyond the known, God has sent hundreds of messengers to you proclaiming God”

      No, we now know it’s all in your head, man created a god for things they didn’t understand. What is so funny is you keep speaking for your God, making crap up which only further proves it’s all a delusion.

      “ That you cannon see the folly of you conflicted behavior actually proves the Bible correct when it details this conflicted behavior of the godless in their attempt to remain in the denial of the truth.”

      You’re the one lost dude, I am a former Christian who knows it’s nothing more than a brainwashing cult.

      “If there is a God be thankful he has not already tossed you in the furnace.”

      I like the fact you used the word if, even you are not sure plus there is NO proof hell exists either.

      “If there is no God then just go do what ever you do in your life which every instinct in you says stop this is wrong.”

      Nope it doesn’t, never has but again you have to tell yourself these lies so you can believe in your fairytale addiction.

      January 26, 2012 at 1:54 pm |
    • SeanNJ

      @fred: You said, "I understand your need to find fault with God (even though you claim God does not exist) but you can do better than that."

      You are clearly unable to grasp the concept of using someone else's premises to construct an argument, and then following that argument to conclusion.

      The point is that should your god exist in the manner that you describe it, then you're interpretation of his attributes and intentions is flawed.

      That I or anyone else uses that as a starting point for a refutation of your perception of god in no way indicates that we hold an internal conflict about its existence.

      That you are seemingly incapable of understanding the difference indicates to me that we're all woefully wasting our time on you.

      January 26, 2012 at 1:55 pm |
    • fred

      YeahRight
      “Yes it is when it’s a human being”
      =>You are confusing things again. You cannot say you are atheist and nothing but a bundle chemicals and organic matter while at the same time being anything more than that animal dead or alive. I imagine that being human has some extra element to it which elevates you above just an evolved animal?
      “ So seeing as there are many of these "rats" wasting their lives in jail then you should be in full support of allowing us today to toss then into a furnace like Hitler did. Oh, that's right Hitler was a monster and a tyrant, just like your god.”
      =>stick with me here, you said we are nothing but chemicals and organic matter. When you die you enter nothingness. You never were and you no longer are yet you wish to worry about Hitler and rats in jails during some brief span where chemicals are reacting with organic matter. No wonder you are confused.
      “No, we now know it’s all in your head, man created a god for things they didn’t understand. What is so funny is you keep speaking for your God, making crap up which only further proves it’s all a delusion.”
      =>oh, so your delusion is somehow better than mine even though you have no proof that your afterlife exists. Yours sounds at least as crazy as mine.
      “You’re the one lost dude, I am a former Christian who knows it’s nothing more than a brainwashing cult. “
      =>Did you ever really see the truth? Was God not real in your life for some point?
      “I like the fact you used the word if,”
      =>I said “if” because you think there may not be God. I know the living God, no denial.
      “you have to tell yourself these lies so you can believe in your fairytale addiction.”
      =>and you tell yourself a bunch of nonsense as well to justify a peaceful non existence upon death, subst-ituting the “something” for God as the first cause, pretending life has meaning from a bunch of chemical reactions on organic matter, ignoring and overriding your base instinct that says there is something more…….

      January 26, 2012 at 3:55 pm |
    • fred

      SeanNJ
      When the word of God is taken as whole God cannot be a killer. The entire design was to bring and provide life eternal in unity with God. YeahRight plucked out a verse relative to say the Amalekites or whatever then makes a claim that is contrary to the design stating “my God is a killer”. If you design cars intended for highway use that are used by millions then Colin tries to fly off a cliff in that car holding a pink hanky as airfoil are you a killer? No, Colin rejected the proper use of your design.
      I could say SeanNJ is a killer because you put out a mouse trap or swatted a mosquito. You most likely are not a killer and had good reason for a mouse trap. The Amalekites, Canaanites and Moabites as well as the ungodly generation of Cain presented a serious known threat to the design that would result in life eternal and unity with God. They were swatted out like mosquitoes plain and simple. God is no more a killer than you are he just operates on a larger timeless scale.
      You have an internal confliction not because of the starting point used in a discussion but because your belief conflicts with what God put in you. Beginning with the oldest record of man there is a sense of more that is found in worship and provision for the afterlife. It does not matter if that trait is by evolution or infused by God you have it in you. I make sense of it by following the pattern of the Neanderthal so to speak in worshiping Deity and providing for the afterlife. Atheists belief is contrary to what is natural thus they are conflicted. This internal confliction reveals itself in bizarre beliefs about non existence in the beginning and upon death. An entire field of science is brought to bear upon supporting what cannot be known by science. Rules of logic are developed to limit discussion. Hope is exchanged for a dead end and the unbeleiver can no longer even differentiate between the Tooth Fairy and the wonder of God.

      January 26, 2012 at 4:56 pm |
    • YeahrRght

      “You are confusing things again. You cannot say you are atheist and nothing but a bundle chemicals and organic matter while at the same time being anything more than that animal dead or alive. I imagine that being human has some extra element to it which elevates you above just an evolved animal?”

      We are elevated because of our thumbs and brains, nothing more.

      “stick with me here, you said we are nothing but chemicals and organic matter. When you die you enter nothingness. You never were and you no longer are yet you wish to worry about Hitler and rats in jails during some brief span where chemicals are reacting with organic matter. No wonder you are confused.”

      We have morality on this planet regardless of your god, we know even now that burning people alive like Hitler is immoral. For you to claim that is the fate of others if they don’t believe in your god for eternity is immoral. But, no worries, your god isn’t real.

      “oh, so your delusion is somehow better than mine even though you have no proof that your afterlife exists. Yours sounds at least as crazy as mine.”

      There is no afterlife the proof is in the bones and fossil of our ancestors, there is no proof of the spiritual realm. There is proof that its only a chemical reaction in your brain. .

      “Did you ever really see the truth? Was God not real in your life for some point?”

      Nope, because it’s pure brainwashing, nothing more.

      “I said “if” because you think there may not be God. I know the living God, no denial.”

      Really, prove your living god.

      “and you tell yourself a bunch of nonsense as well to justify a peaceful non existence upon death, subst-ituting the “something” for God as the first cause, pretending life has meaning from a bunch of chemical reactions on organic matter, ignoring and overriding your base instinct that says there is something more…….”

      There is not instinct there is something more, that again is all in your head. The proof is you can’t prove the something more and there is no proof of your god for centuries. There will be no peaceful existence upon death, my brain and body will cease to exist, nothing more. You’re the one afraid of death so you have to tell yourself lies about a bogus heaven and god so you can feel better about yourself. You the one with the coping issues, not me.

      January 26, 2012 at 5:08 pm |
    • YeahrRght

      “When the word of God is taken as whole God cannot be a killer.”

      Your god is a killer based on your own rule book.

      “No, Colin rejected the proper use of your design.”

      Your book even states your god killed everyone but Noah, they didn’t choose it. Keep making up excuses for your monster god.

      “I could say SeanNJ is a killer because you put out a mouse trap or swatted a mosquito.”

      All the people your god has killed aren’t rats or mosquitoes, you have to make up this crap to try to less the fact your god killed thousands on a whim based your book.

      “You most likely are not a killer and had good reason for a mouse trap.”

      Yeah, I am sure Hitler used that very same flawed logic when he killed all those people. Keep up with the lame excuses.

      “God is no more a killer than you are he just operates on a larger timeless scale.”

      Your god killed human beings not mosquitoes, so it is a killer based on your book.

      “ Beginning with the oldest record of man there is a sense of more that is found in worship and provision for the afterlife. It does not matter if that trait is by evolution or infused by God you have it in you.”

      It’s called the fear of dying and a chemical reaction in your brain, there is NO proof of your god or an afterlife, if there was it would have been shown by now. It’s been centuries, and NADA!

      “Atheists belief is contrary to what is natural thus they are conflicted.”

      No that is a lie, we saying it’s all in your head, we are not conflicted about anything, you have to make this crap up so you can feel justified in believing in your fantasy.

      “This internal confliction reveals itself in bizarre beliefs about non existence in the beginning and upon death.”

      Another lie you are telling yourself, there is not internal confliction. More excuses you tell yourself to feel justified in believing in your fairy tale.

      January 26, 2012 at 5:20 pm |
    • fred

      YeahrRght
      “We are elevated because of our thumbs and brains, nothing more.”
      =>I doubt your friends would agree and even Jesus thinks your worth dying for.
      “We have morality on this planet regardless of your god,”
      =>you have established customs that change with the wind such as the Greeks who believed pederasty was wonderful and mothers would turn their young sons over to old men for the applause of their community. God established a divine standard which does not change.
      “There is no afterlife the proof is in the bones and fossil of our ancestors,”
      =>Jesus said why do you seek the living among the dead.
      “there is no proof of the spiritual realm.”
      =>Never has there been a time in history when man was not aware of the spiritual realm.
      “ There is proof that its only a chemical reaction in your brain.”
      => love is a chemical reaction so love God and love your neighbor as yourself and stop trying to prove everything has only physical properties. Rocks cannot love which is why every chemical reaction in your head says there is more to life and I want that hope and joy today.
      “Really, prove your living god. “
      =>hold onto your horses cause I will pray for your joy and happiness.
      “ There will be no peaceful existence upon death, my brain and body will cease to exist, nothing more. You’re the one afraid of death so you have to tell yourself lies about a bogus heaven and god so you can feel better about yourself.”
      =>your construct of an afterlife has no feeling, no pain or joy……sounds like your wish to be numb is simply more appealing than my heaven. It is our choice and that choice reveals our heart.
      “You the one with the coping issues, not me.”
      =>You can have the same peace, joy and assurance that I have any time you wish.

      January 26, 2012 at 6:32 pm |
    • YeahRight

      “I doubt your friends would agree and even Jesus thinks your worth dying for.”

      Sorry Jesus died for himself nothing more because there is no god.

      “you have established customs that change with the wind such as the Greeks who believed pederasty was wonderful and mothers would turn their young sons over to old men for the applause of their community. God established a divine standard which does not change.”

      No, it didn’t, if it was so devine then the 480 million that have died because of religion wouldn’t have happened.

      “Jesus said why do you seek the living among the dead.”

      You have no proof of a spiritual realm, there is proof it’s all in your head.

      “Never has there been a time in history when man was not aware of the spiritual realm.”

      It’s been brainwashed into our society’s doesn’t mean it’s real.

      “ love is a chemical reaction so love God and love your neighbor as yourself and stop trying to prove everything has only physical properties. Rocks cannot love which is why every chemical reaction in your head says there is more to life and I want that hope and joy today.”

      Nope my brain doesn’t say there is more to life, that’s a lie religious people tell themselves to continue believing in their fairy tale. You need that excuse to cope, I don’t.

      “hold onto your horses cause I will pray for your joy and happiness.”

      My profound joy and happiness existed before I even met you, no prayers needed.

      “your construct of an afterlife has no feeling, no pain or joy……sounds like your wish to be numb is simply more appealing than my heaven. It is our choice and that choice reveals our heart.”

      You’re the one making the excuses of numbness, I don’t need to believe in a heaven to make my life complete, you do because your weak mind needs that crutch to believe in such a fairytale.

      “You can have the same peace, joy and assurance that I have any time you wish.”

      My peace and joy is more profound, deep and real, yours is based on a lie and crutch that makes yous shallow.

      January 26, 2012 at 6:50 pm |
    • fred

      YeahrRght
      “Your god is a killer based on your own rule book.”
      =>My rule book says God is the creator of life and loved us so much he was willing to die.
      “Your book even states your god killed everyone but Noah, they didn’t choose it. Keep making up excuses for your monster god. “
      =>actually it says God blotted them out. Much debate over what that means. Either they never existed or the earth was cleansed. Man clears the land before farming and producing good crop. This is not killing of the weeds it is the preparation for a good harvest.
      “ Hitler used that very same flawed logic when he killed all those people”.
      =>No, God gave the ungodly generation of Cain hundreds of years to straighten up showing His longsuffering. God warned Cain yet the vicious horrid things they did cried out to God who finally brought justice upon them. Hitler would better fit the profile of Cain.

      January 26, 2012 at 7:12 pm |
    • YeahRight

      “My rule book says God is the creator of life and loved us so much he was willing to die.”

      You God is still a killer of millions and you keep making stupid excuses for it.

      “actually it says God blotted them out. Much debate over what that means. Either they never existed or the earth was cleansed. Man clears the land before farming and producing good crop. This is not killing of the weeds it is the preparation for a good harvest.”

      That’s funny that is exactly the mindset Hitler had when he was trying to create the ultimate race, we all know he was immoral and so is your god.

      “No, God gave the ungodly generation of Cain hundreds of years to straighten up showing His longsuffering. God warned Cain yet the vicious horrid things they did cried out to God who finally brought justice upon them. Hitler would better fit the profile of Cain.”

      No, your god fits the profile of Hitler, the people knew they needed to get out or face Hitler’s wrath and just like your God he brutally tortured and killed them using fire. That is not Cain, that is your god being immoral and a tyrant.

      January 27, 2012 at 10:50 am |
  20. AdultFairyTales

    I'm so tired of CNN having a "Belief" section without the corresponding "non-believer" section. I'd say "Science" would be the subject, but then the wingnuts out there have already tried to corrupt that one too with their intelligent design creationism garbage.

    January 26, 2012 at 8:26 am |
    • Primewonk

      They do – http://lightyears.blogs.cnn.com/

      And you're right, the religious nutters show up routinely dam everyone to hell.

      January 26, 2012 at 9:17 am |
    • just sayin

      'to dam' would be to reduce or stop the flow of.... sounds like a good thing

      January 26, 2012 at 9:22 am |
    • Primewonk

      I know. But on some of CNN's sites, d a m n gets a post in trouble.

      January 26, 2012 at 9:24 am |
    • justme

      would you like me to pray for you?

      January 26, 2012 at 11:04 am |
    • Oh Yeah

      "There is scarcely any part of science, or anything in nature, which those imposters and blasphemers of science, called priests, as well Christians as Jews, have not, at some time or other, perverted, or sought to pervert to the purpose of superst.ition and falsehood."
      - Thomas Paine, as quoted by Joseph Lewis in Inspiration and Wisdom from the Writings of Thomas Paine.

      January 26, 2012 at 11:50 am |
    • David Johnson

      @justme

      You asked: "would you like me to pray for you?"

      Yes, pray that the quarter I am about to toss in the air, lands heads up. If I can toss the coin 12 times in row and each time have it land heads up... I will believe! If the coin should happen to land tails up, you will admit that prayer has no effect on the real world.

      Shall we begin?

      Cheers!

      January 26, 2012 at 12:53 pm |
    • Woody

      "I'm so tired of CNN having a "Belief" section without the corresponding "non-believer" section."

      If CNN started an "Atheist Blog", they'd probably start receiving threats, bombs, anthrax and who knows what else in the mail. You never know what god would "tell" the true believers to do. The Christian fundies, Muslim whackos, Ultra Orthodox Jews and the rest of the various religious nutcases, get really upset when anyone challenges their delusions.

      January 26, 2012 at 1:46 pm |
    • Phillip Evans

      Don't be a screwball!

      Nowhere does Genesis 2 claim to be re-telling the story of the Sixth Day.

      Gen 1:25-27.

      Gen 2:5

      Gen 2:7-9, 15-17, 18-19.

      P: the first humans Gen 1:25-27.

      Q: foragers

      R: tillers of the ground (agriculture Gen 4:2-3 "the fruit of the ground")

      ~R: NOT tillers of the ground Gen 2:5.

      IF the “men and women” “created” on the Sixth Day were the first humans (P), THEN they were foragers (Q), OR they were tillers of the ground (R). Gen 1:25-27.

      “and there was NOT a man to till the ground.” (~R). Gen 2:5.

      THEREFORE, IF the “men and women” “created” on the sixth day were the first humans (P), THEN they were foragers (Q).

      (P -> Q) v (P -> R) : P -> (Q ^ R)

      ~R

      ├ P -> Q

      VALID REASONING.

      ARCHEOLOGICALLY & ANTHROPOLOGICALLY SOUND.

      Adam does not call Eve the mother of all "mankind".

      CONCLUSION: You have the data, but not all of it, and you have not reasoned logically with that data. Your non-belief has made you inferior.

      January 30, 2012 at 12:53 pm |
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