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January 30th, 2012
02:19 AM ET

Family convicted in Canada 'honor murders'

By Paula Newton, CNN

Kingston, Ontario (CNN) - A Canadian jury Sunday convicted three members of a family of Afghan immigrants of the "honor" murders of four female relatives whose bodies were found in an Ontario canal.

Mohammed Shafia, 58; his wife, Tooba Mohammad Yahya, 42; and their son, Hamed, 21, were found guilty of first-degree murder in the deaths of Shafia's three teenage daughters and his first wife in his polygamous marriage. Sunday's verdicts followed a three-month trial, in which jurors heard wiretaps of Shafia referring to his daughters as "whores" and ranting about their behavior.

All three were sentenced to life in prison immediately after their convictions, with no chance of parole for 25 years.

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- Dan Merica

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  1. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things
    Talk to God
    God says though your sins be as scarlet
    He will wash us white as snow
    Prayer changes things

    January 30, 2012 at 4:08 pm |
    • AtheistSteve

      PrayerBot strikes again...

      January 30, 2012 at 4:10 pm |
    • Jeff

      Are trees among the living things for which atheism is not safe? If so, please let me know so I can go torture this infidel sycamore in my front yard until it accepts Jesus Christ as its lord and savior

      January 30, 2012 at 4:21 pm |
    • Nope

      Nope,

      Dr. Herbert Benson of Harvard Medical School and other scientists tested the effect of having three Christian groups pray for particular patients, starting the night before surgery and continuing for two weeks. The volunteers prayed for "a successful surgery with a quick, healthy recovery and no complications" for specific patients, for whom they were given the first name and first initial of the last name.

      The patients, meanwhile, were split into three groups of about 600 apiece: those who knew they were being prayed for, those who were prayed for but only knew it was a possibility, and those who weren't prayed for but were told it was a possibility.

      The researchers didn't ask patients or their families and friends to alter any plans they had for prayer, saying such a step would have been unethical and impractical. The study looked for any complications within 30 days of the surgery. Results showed no effect of prayer on complication-free recovery. But 59 percent of the patients who knew they were being prayed for developed a complication, versus 52 percent of those who were told it was just a possibility.

      January 30, 2012 at 4:23 pm |
    • AtheistSteve

      Good one Jeff
      Be certain to locate any of that EVIL marijuana bush and purify it in fire. Burn baby burn...

      January 30, 2012 at 4:25 pm |
    • just sayin

      All creation already accepts its creator only man has the capacity to question or challenge God so spare your tree but look out for yourself

      January 30, 2012 at 8:23 pm |
    • pervert alert

      "so spare your tree"

      You know it gets me all hot when you talk about my tree.

      January 31, 2012 at 9:53 am |
  2. George

    @MarcTTF

    Whose rights are denied? Only the right to sin is denied.

    January 30, 2012 at 3:48 pm |
    • AtheistSteve

      Sin is defiance of God's will. Kinda hard to take the concept of sin seriously when the God it's attributed to is clearly fictional.

      January 30, 2012 at 4:06 pm |
  3. JohnQuest

    George, your primary error in logic is thinking that you are absolutely right.

    January 30, 2012 at 3:46 pm |
  4. George

    I cannot understand why atheists want to go to hell, but I really can't understand why they are bound and determined to take as many with them as possible. If you don't want to believe because you have been misled or because of your sin, then ok. Why bother believers on a belief blog? What I think that unbelievers really don't want is to be held to moral standards. Heaven forbid that believers would want to bring back some morality to society!

    January 30, 2012 at 1:07 pm |
    • Dude

      "If you don't want to believe because you have been misled or because of your sin,"

      No one is been mislead, there is no proof of your heaven, hell or god, and therefore there is no sin. If evangelist had proof of their god, they would have shown it by now, it has been centuries, and NADA!

      January 30, 2012 at 1:10 pm |
    • George

      @Dude

      Now we're at the crux of the matter. You don't want to believe in sin.

      January 30, 2012 at 1:13 pm |
    • SeanNJ

      @George: I don't think you would comprehend the "crux of the matter" if someone put it on an advertisement on the side of a cross-town bus and ran you over with it.

      January 30, 2012 at 1:18 pm |
    • Dude

      "You don't want to believe in sin."

      There is no sin when there is no god, unless you can prove your god actually exists and if you could you'd be the first one on the planet.

      January 30, 2012 at 1:21 pm |
    • NickZadick

      We don't need your fairy tales to have morals and know right from wrong... I for one come here to ridicule believers in seeing how idiotic organized religion is.... I have problems with your beliefs because I refuse to accept that so many people on this planet, which is now very advanced in scientific knowledge, still believe in bronze age hocus pocus!! even children realize that santa claus is a myth...and he only promises a few presents IF they are nice...you believe that you go to sky disney land forever if you join the right club!! come on!! really!! think a bit!!!

      January 30, 2012 at 1:22 pm |
    • George

      @Sean

      Every atheist I've ever known in real life was lost in sin. They would rather give up the concept of God than give up their sin. It soothes their consciences.

      January 30, 2012 at 1:22 pm |
    • Dude

      "Every atheist I've ever known in real life was lost in sin. They would rather give up the concept of God than give up their sin. It soothes their consciences."

      There is no concept of god because it doesn't exists, you can't cope in this life so you come up with crap like a god so you can deal with reality. There is NO god, there is NO hell, and there is NO heaven, deal with it and stop making excuses.

      January 30, 2012 at 1:25 pm |
    • SeanNJ

      @George: I'm fairly certain that you consider "not believing in god" a sin, so that doesn't really leave us with an option to abandon our "sin," now does it?

      I can't pretend I believe when I don't.

      January 30, 2012 at 1:25 pm |
    • Observer

      I'm sure some atheists do sleep well at night. Of course the house is on fire.

      January 30, 2012 at 1:26 pm |
    • George

      @Nick

      "I have problems with your beliefs because I refuse to accept that so many people on this planet, which is now very advanced in scientific knowledge, still believe in bronze age hocus pocus!! "

      And if you don't believe, why should it matter to you what others believe?

      January 30, 2012 at 1:26 pm |
    • George

      @Dude

      God does exist whether you believe in Him or not. And hell does exist, and you will most certainly find that out if you don't repent.

      January 30, 2012 at 1:28 pm |
    • Dude

      "And if you don't believe, why should it matter to you what others believe?"

      DUH, you're trying to turn this country back to the bronze age that's why. People like you are keeping this country from becoming the greatest and excel in sciences. Keep your beliefs to yourself and in your home where they belong.

      January 30, 2012 at 1:28 pm |
    • Dude

      "God does exist "

      Prove it.

      January 30, 2012 at 1:29 pm |
    • Really?

      "God does exist "

      Suppose you or a close family member has a terminal disease like cancer which cannot be medically cured? A certain time line is given, so like all hopeful human beings, you humbly and diligently pray to the almighty God who says in the Bible he answers prayers. Time and reality passes, the disease takes it's toll, and your prayers go unanswered.

      Maybe one in a million may be saved, but looking at a 99.9999% failure rate for prayer is evidence that God does not exist. Now, compare it to an atheist who suffers the same terminal disease and wishes for healing. The same 99.9999% failure rate occurs.

      Now compare it to a devout Muslim suffering the same terminal disease and prays to his/her god for healing, and still results in a 99.9999% failure rate. Similarly, the Hindu, Jew, Buddhist, etc... all face 99.9999% failure rates.

      Doesn't this indicate you you that there is no God? Perhaps one of the numerous worshiped gods do exist, but wouldn't that omnipotent god produce better than a 99.9999% failure rate, or else what is the purpose of worshiping that god if he doesn't answer your prayers? Doesn't common logic and sense exist anymore?

      January 30, 2012 at 1:34 pm |
    • George

      @Dude

      How much do you get paid to work the words "bronze age" into a response? Must be alot because all atheists like to use that term.

      As far as proving that God exists, I don't have to. God Himself will prove it. But it might be too late for you.

      January 30, 2012 at 1:36 pm |
    • SeanNJ

      (George exits, stage right)

      January 30, 2012 at 1:38 pm |
    • Fallacy Spotting 101

      Really?

      Your statement is an example of an argumentum ad ignoratiam. That is:

      Statement p is unproved.
      Not-p is true.

      January 30, 2012 at 1:42 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @George
      Sin lies only in harming others unecessarily.
      All other sin is invented nonsense.
      While I cannot speak for other atheists, I am a naturalist who believes that there is no existence save that which we experience directly (ie: no spiritual realm). I am also a rational anarchist who knows that concepts such as ‘state’ and ‘society’ and ‘government’ have no existence save as physically exemplified in the acts of self-responsible individuals..
      I hold that it is impossible to shift, share, or distribute blame . . . as blame, guilt, responsibility etc. are matters taking place inside human beings singly and nowhere else. Therefore, we should be rational and realize that not everyone will share the same evaluations of good and evil. We must try to live perfectly in an imperfect world, aware that our efforts will be less than perfect while trying to remain undismayed by self knowledge of failure.
      To me, that concept is central to Christianity. Jesus taught that we are all imperfect and must struggle all our lives to better ourselves.
      I believe that the vast majority of Christians lose sight of this core principle and get lost in sectarian dogma, arguing mythological minutiae.
      There have been countless ideas about what happens after death.
      Do you worry about whether your heart will be heavier than a Shu feather when you die?
      Do you strive to die gloriously in battle so that you can get to the afterlife?
      Moral relativism is a truism. Were it not, then there would be no arguments about what is sinful and how one gets into heaven.
      In the end, the definition of Christian is to live your life in the image of Jesus Christ. Faith in miracles, divinity, resurrections, and other fantastical flourishes isn't required to live a life of pacifism, charity and humility.

      January 30, 2012 at 1:42 pm |
    • Fallacy Spotting 101

      ad ignorantium

      January 30, 2012 at 1:43 pm |
    • Really?

      “As far as proving that God exists, I don't have to. God Himself will prove it.”

      Your statement is an example of an argumentum ad ignoratiam . That is:
      Statement p is unproved.
      Not-p is true.

      LMAO!

      January 30, 2012 at 1:44 pm |
    • A Little Help

      ad ignorantiam

      January 30, 2012 at 1:45 pm |
    • MarcTTF

      @George
      "And if you don't believe, why should it matter to you what others believe?"

      Because of stories like this one, and because people are denied rights in the name of religion all over the world for starters.

      January 30, 2012 at 2:13 pm |
    • derp

      "What I think that unbelievers really don't want is to be held to moral standards. Heaven forbid that believers would want to bring back some morality to society!"

      We nonbelievers actually hold ourselves to a higher moral standard than jesustards do.

      January 30, 2012 at 3:13 pm |
    • sam

      jfc George is ranting again. I thought your ranty-pants were still in the wash, George.

      January 30, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
    • George

      @MarcTTF

      Whose rights are denied? Only the right to sin is denied. Read your Bible.

      January 30, 2012 at 3:50 pm |
    • George

      There is no logical fallacy because the premise that God exists is true. It is the poster who doubts it. Well, he will find out, perhaps when it is too late.

      January 30, 2012 at 3:52 pm |
    • Dude

      "There is no logical fallacy because the premise that God exists is true"

      LOL! You have no proof your god exists, if you did you'd be singing it from the roof tops, but instead you just keep making excuses.

      January 30, 2012 at 6:46 pm |
    • The Phist

      George, as stated before (since you keep saying the same stupid crap), this blog does not cater to believers, period. It is merely a section of news articles that involve religion in some way. Nothing more, nothing less. Stop being stupid.

      January 30, 2012 at 8:50 pm |
  5. NickZadick

    I have been folowing the shafia trial for weeks and I am glad the jury got it right ... contrary to your Casey Anthony debacle!!

    January 30, 2012 at 12:48 pm |
  6. jimtanker

    We should fear God (Matthew 10:28)
    We should love God (Matthew 22:37)
    There is no fear in love (1 John 4:18)

    January 30, 2012 at 12:31 pm |
    • just sayin

      Try those passages in the original language and original meanings Jim. it will ease your confusion

      January 30, 2012 at 2:50 pm |
    • The Phist

      jim is correct. The bible is full of contradictions.

      January 30, 2012 at 10:00 pm |
  7. Reality

    A quick and easy solution – please post on your refrigerator doors:

    From a PowerPoint Slide

    SAVING 1.5 BILLION LOST MUSLIMS:
    THERE NEVER WERE AND NEVER WILL BE ANY ANGELS I.E. NO GABRIEL, NO ISLAM AND THEREFORE NO MORE KORANIC-DRIVEN ACTS OF HORROR AND TERROR LIKE 9/11 AND THE TOPIC ATROCITY.

    SAVING 2 BILLION LOST CHRISTIANS:
    THERE WERE NEVER ANY BODILY RESURRECTIONS AND THERE WILL NEVER BE ANY BODILY RESURRECTIONS I.E. NO EASTER, NO CHRISTIANITY.

    SAVING 15.5 MILLION FOLLOWERS OF JUDAISM:
    ABRAHAM AND MOSES PROBABLY NEVER EXISTED.

    Added details upon request.

    January 30, 2012 at 11:55 am |
    • ......

      Hit report abuse on all reality garbage

      January 30, 2012 at 12:01 pm |
    • NickZadick

      @ ..... I pressed report abuse on all YOUR stupid comments! .......reality actually is spot on on all he says....plaese put in a real name so I can curs3 your stup1dity!!!

      January 30, 2012 at 12:46 pm |
    • ....

      just wondering that makes 5 names now doesn't, I thought you only had 3.

      January 30, 2012 at 12:46 pm |
    • ....

      just wondering that makes 5 names now doesn't it, I thought you only had 3.

      January 30, 2012 at 12:46 pm |
    • NickZadick

      I am not Reality! I just side with logic instead of magic!! grow a pair and stop believing in fairy tales!

      January 30, 2012 at 12:50 pm |
  8. jimtanker

    @ derp "Christians don't want to kiII unbelievers or the immoral"
    No, christians would never kiII unbelievers.

    Except for what the bible itself says:
    KiII those who are not Christian or Jewish:
    You must kiII those who worship another god. Exodus 22:20
    KiII any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10
    KiII all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16
    KiII everyone who has religious views that are different than your own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7
    KiII anyone who refuses to listen to a priest. Deuteronomy 17:12-13
    KiII any false prophets. Deuteronomy 18:20

    January 30, 2012 at 11:42 am |
    • just wondering

      Where are your New Testament Christian references?

      January 30, 2012 at 11:44 am |
    • jimtanker

      Why would that matter?

      January 30, 2012 at 11:50 am |
    • just wondering

      What was relevant for Hebrews 3500 years ago may not have been relevant to Christians 1500 years later. You did say Christian didn't you?

      January 30, 2012 at 11:54 am |
    • jimtanker

      So you are saying that the OT is irrelevant to modern day Xtians? Including the 10 commnadments?

      January 30, 2012 at 11:57 am |
    • Christianity

      Come on silly. Everyone knows that unless it strengthens our arguments, we don't take the Old Testament literally.

      Brought to you by Christianity : Changing to fit your views since year 0.

      January 30, 2012 at 12:00 pm |
    • jimtanker

      Exactly what I was getting at, cafeteria xtians.

      January 30, 2012 at 12:01 pm |
    • Reality

      It is the Old Testament that lists the god-approved atrocities:

      To wit:

      •Exodus 32: 3,000 Israelites killed by Moses for worshipping the golden calf.

      •Numbers 31: After killing all men, boys and married women among the Midianites, 32,000 virgins remain as booty for the Israelites. (If unmarried girls are a quarter of the population, then 96,000 people were killed.)

      •Joshua: ◦Joshua 8: 12,000 men and women, all the people of Ai, killed.
      ◦Joshua 10: Joshua completely destroys Gibeon ("larger than Ai"), Makeddah, Libnah, Lachish, Eglon, Hebron, Debir. "He left no survivors."
      ◦Joshua 11: Hazor destroyed. [Paul Johnson, A History of the Jews (1987), estimates the population of Hazor at ?> 50,000]
      ◦TOTAL: if Ai is average, 12,000 x 9 = 108,000 killed.

      •Judges 1: 10,000 Canaanites k. at Battle of Bezek. Jerusalem and Zephath destroyed.
      •Judges 3: ca. 10,000 Moabites k. at Jordan River.
      •Judges 8: 120,000 Midianite soldiers k. by Gideon
      •Judges 20: Benjamin attacked by other tribes. 25,000 killed.

      •1 Samuel 4: 4,000 Isrealites killed at 1st Battle of Ebenezer/Aphek. 30,000 Isr. k. at 2nd battle.
      •David: ◦2 Samuel 8: 22,000 Arameans of Damascus and 18,000 Edomites killed in 2 battles.

      ◦2 Samuel 10: 40,000 Aramean footsoldiers and 7,000 charioteers killed at Helam.
      ◦2 Samuel 18: 20,000 Israelites under Absalom killed at Ephraim.

      •1 Kings 20: 100,000 Arameans killed by Israelites at Battle of Aphek. Another 27,000 killed by collapsing wall.
      •2 Chron 13: Judah beat Israel and inflicted 500,000 casualties.
      •2 Chron 25: Amaziah, king of Judah, k. 10,000 from Seir in battle and executed 10,000 POWs. Discharged Judean soldiers pillaged and killed 3,000.
      •2 Chron 28: Pekah, king of Israel, slew 120,000 Judeans

      •TOTAL: That comes to about 1,283,000 mass killings specifically enumerated in the Old Testament/Torah.

      The New Testament has only one major atrocity, that of god committing filicide assuming you believe in this Christian mumbo jumbo. Said atrocity should be enough to vitiate all of Christianity.

      January 30, 2012 at 12:02 pm |
    • Wholly Goats

      @just wondering,

      From your own Wholly Babble:

      17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one ti.ttle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. - Matthew

      January 30, 2012 at 12:03 pm |
    • just wondering

      Everything has a reason and a purpose, in 1943 Americans killed Germans and the killing was acceptable, today that same killing would be criminal. Please answer the question before breaking your arm patting yourselves on the back.

      January 30, 2012 at 12:11 pm |
    • just wondering

      Everything has a reason and a purpose, in 1943 Americans killed Germans and the killing was acceptable, today that same action would be criminal. Please answer the question before breaking your arm patting yourselves on the back.

      January 30, 2012 at 12:13 pm |
    • just wondering

      whoay goat
      Your foul and insensitive reply shows you to be too ignorant for serious adult conversation.

      January 30, 2012 at 12:16 pm |
    • J.W

      I do not interpret the Law as being everything ever said in the old testament. I personally think that is just referring to the Ten Commandments.

      January 30, 2012 at 12:17 pm |
    • Wholly Goats

      just wondering:

      "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus.”
      ― Thomas Jefferson

      January 30, 2012 at 12:20 pm |
    • jimtanker

      Which ten commandments? You know that there are 2 sets right?

      January 30, 2012 at 12:21 pm |
    • just wondering

      There are adults on this thread you have zero credibility call it whatever you like mr goat you are not worth talking with. I am waiting for references from the Christian biblical era please.

      January 30, 2012 at 12:25 pm |
    • jimtanker

      And I'm waiting to know which ten commandments that J.W. was referring to.

      January 30, 2012 at 12:27 pm |
    • just wondering

      Reality
      So what? All wars involved casualties. Take your lists and insane ramblings were someone needs them

      January 30, 2012 at 12:29 pm |
    • King James

      Ok, @just wondering, here ya go:

      "17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

      18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one t-ittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

      19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. "

      January 30, 2012 at 12:29 pm |
    • J.W

      There isn't that much difference between the two sets. The are basically the same one just has an extra commandment about not worshiping idols and condenses coveting into one commandment.

      January 30, 2012 at 12:38 pm |
    • jimtanker

      Not much difference between the two set???!?!?!?!?

      The second set, in Exodus 34, the one that states that it is “The Ten Commandments” has one commandment telling you not to boil a goat in its mother’s milk.

      Sounds different to me.

      January 30, 2012 at 12:42 pm |
    • just wondering

      I understand the Old and New Testaments, are a continuous work. 1500 years passed between the Exodus and wars to secure the promised land and the advent of Messiah(Jesus birth, foreshadowing Christianity by about 35 to 50 years). Just as practices were acceptable in WW 2, that are not acceptable today, show me Christian era biblical evidence of what you are claiming or admit your error. Christianity did not exist B.C.

      January 30, 2012 at 12:44 pm |
    • jimtanker

      Well, since the entire NT is just a bad work of fiction why would I quote from it? I can find more meaningful quotes from Starship Troopers or Lord of the Rings.

      January 30, 2012 at 12:49 pm |
    • J.W

      Oh I thought you were talking about something else. When Jesus speaks about the Ten Commandments, he speaks about the original. I think the other ones were just God punishing them for breaking the first ones.

      January 30, 2012 at 12:51 pm |
    • jimtanker

      Then why is it that the only place in the text of the bible is in Exodus 34:28 where it actually says "The Ten Commandments"?

      You are such a cafeteria christian. Why not admit that your big book of multiple choice is so full of contradictions and outright fraud?

      January 30, 2012 at 12:56 pm |
    • J.W

      It gives the original set in Deuteronomy too. Those appear multiple times, but the other commands do not.

      January 30, 2012 at 1:12 pm |
    • Reality

      To the nitty-gritty of the OT/Torah with a modern one:

      origin: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20E1EFE35540C7A8CDDAA0894DA404482 NY Times review and important enough to reiterate.

      New Torah For Modern Minds

      “Abraham, the Jewish patriarch, probably never existed. Nor did Moses. The entire Exodus story as recounted in the Bible probably never occurred. The same is true of the tumbling of the walls of Jericho. And David, far from being the fearless king who built Jerusalem into a mighty capital, was more likely a provincial leader whose reputation was later magnified to provide a rallying point for a fledgling nation.

      Such startling propositions - the product of findings by archaeologists digging in Israel and its environs over the last 25 years - have gained wide acceptance among non-Orthodox rabbis. But there has been no attempt to disseminate these ideas or to discuss them with the laity - until now.

      The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, which represents the 1.5 million Conservative Jews in the United States, has just issued a new Torah and commentary, the first for Conservatives in more than 60 years. Called "Etz Hayim" ("Tree of Life" in Hebrew), it offers an interpretation that incorporates the latest findings from archaeology, philology, anthropology and the study of ancient cultures. To the editors who worked on the book, it represents one of the boldest efforts ever to introduce into the religious mainstream a view of the Bible as a human rather than divine doc-ument.

      The notion that the Bible is not literally true "is more or less settled and understood among most Conservative rabbis," observed David Wolpe, a rabbi at Sinai Temple in Los Angeles and a contributor to "Etz Hayim." But some congregants, he said, "may not like the stark airing of it." Last Passover, in a sermon to 2,200 congregants at his synagogue, Rabbi Wolpe frankly said that "virtually every modern archaeologist" agrees "that the way the Bible describes the Exodus is not the way that it happened, if it happened at all." The rabbi offered what he called a "LITANY OF DISILLUSION”' about the narrative, including contradictions, improbabilities, chronological lapses and the absence of corroborating evidence. In fact, he said, archaeologists digging in the Sinai have "found no trace of the tribes of Israel - not one shard of pottery."

      January 30, 2012 at 1:33 pm |
    • Reality

      Thomas Jefferson did an analogous rewrite of the NT. Ditto for the rewrite of the NT by the Jesus Seminarians, Professor JD Crossan in his over 20 books on the historical Jesus and related subjects and Professor Gerd Ludemann in his book, Jesus After 2000 Years, p. 694-695.

      January 30, 2012 at 1:35 pm |
    • KarcTTF

      @just wondering

      “I understand the Old and New Testaments, are a continuous work. 1500 years passed between the Exodus and wars to secure the promised land and the advent of Messiah (Jesus birth, foreshadowing Christianity by about 35 to 50 years). Just as practices were acceptable in WW 2, that are not acceptable today”

      The difference here is that you are comparing actions of men, to actions of your god as though they are somehow equal for comparison’s sake. They are not. You can’t compare the atrocities brought on by a deranged dictator to those carried out by and all-loving creator of the universe.

      If he survived the war, do you think the Germans would have given Hitler another chance, and if so, do you think the rest of the world would have allowed it? I’m going to assume that you’re answer to that question is ‘no’. Why then should god’s NT inspired personality overhaul be given another chance considering Hitler’s actions paled in comparison to the OT god? How can you just pretend like the other stuff didn’t really happen, or didn’t matter, or that we weren’t meant to understand why, unless of course you admit to yourself that you are cherry picking to support your stance on this subject.

      January 30, 2012 at 2:00 pm |
    • just wondering

      It appears you are dodging mr tanker. Could it be that there are no Christian era scriptures to support your one sided predisposed opinion? Could it be that you really don't know what you were talking about in the first place? Sorry your prejudiced one sided misuse of the Old Testament laid an egg for you when it wouldn't roll over 1500 years.

      January 30, 2012 at 2:07 pm |
    • pervert alert

      David Johnsdon
      Why would I want to carry something that has spent that much time in your mouth?

      January 30, 2012 at 2:27 pm |
    • Phillip Evans

      "Said atrocity should be enough to vitiate all of Christianity."

      If they were unjustified.

      Opinions are not facst. Reason logically.

      http://biblicalvalidity.blogspot.com/

      January 30, 2012 at 6:15 pm |
    • The Phist

      "just wondering"

      I like how you completely skate the issue of jesus' own words that keep the old testament relevant to christianity. You, like most christians completely ignore this. You'd think that a christian would take jesus' words seriously. But when it doesn't suit a christian, it will ignore jesus' words in order to continue justifying its own beliefs. How sad. You keep holding on desperately to those beliefs little guy. In the end though, it won't mean a thing. Enjoy living in fear of something that doesn't exist.

      January 30, 2012 at 10:10 pm |
  9. AGuest9

    Kingston was such a beautiful place every time I visited. It's sad that this nonsense was perpetrated there by this transplanted piece of filth and his son and wife. They needed to keep their backwards desert notions in the desert.

    January 30, 2012 at 10:10 am |
    • derp

      "They needed to keep their backwards desert notions in the desert"

      Yes, keep it in the desert, right next to judaism and christianity where they all belong.

      January 30, 2012 at 11:17 am |
  10. Doc Vestibule

    A quote from Mr. Shafia regarding his westernized daughters:
    "God curse their generation. Curse of God on both of them, on their kind. God's curse on them for generations...May the devil sh1t on their graves. Is that what a daughter should be? Would [a daughter] be such a wh.ore?”
    Sounds like some of the fundamentalist Christians on this site, gleefully awaiting the Rapture and God's judgement on this unholy world....

    January 30, 2012 at 8:54 am |
    • pervert alert

      What kind of ass hole tries to compare Islam with Christianity? A tree fell over in a National park better hook it to fundamentalism . What an ignorant moron.

      January 30, 2012 at 8:57 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Right.
      Fundamentalist Muslims and Fundamentalist Christians have nothing in common.
      Except for a fanatical devotion to their religion's dogma, based on literal interpretation of an allegorical tome.
      Christians never would dream of condeming anyone or anything from a fiery pulpit, right?
      Jesus' message of love, charity and acceptance extends to everyone – especially gays and pagans.
      Groups like the Manmasi National Christian Army, the National Liberation Front of Tripura, Phineas Priesthood, Aryan Nations, The Convenant, The Sword and the Arm of The Lord are simply charitable groups looking to feed the poor.

      January 30, 2012 at 9:04 am |
    • pervert alert

      When you make wild claims trying to tie two incompatible groups together you do injustice to everyone including yourself. It is your hate that blinds you to the truth and causes you to be the ass hole you are. Too bad.

      January 30, 2012 at 9:39 am |
    • jimtanker

      MusIims and Xtians believe in the same god, just in a different way. Try to refute that.

      January 30, 2012 at 9:43 am |
    • AGuest9

      @pervert alert, sad that you don't see the parallels. Which are you?

      January 30, 2012 at 9:57 am |
    • pervert alert

      Allah is not God but an idolatrous impersonation of God.

      January 30, 2012 at 10:21 am |
    • pervert alert

      You are creating false parallels to justify your false conclusions

      January 30, 2012 at 10:22 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @pervert alert

      You haven't been on this blog very long, have you?
      There is a certain caste of posters who are waiting on tenterhooks for the Rapture, when all the heathens burn.
      There are many people who complain of what they perceive to be the moral degradation of their beloved "christian nation".
      They condemn the immorality of teh secularists amongst them and claim that the ONLY way to be moral is to adhere to their sect's rules.
      The quote from Mr. Shafia uses the same tone of righteous indignation shared by many religious fundamentalists on this very board.

      January 30, 2012 at 10:29 am |
    • pervert alert

      new to the blog but you are talking apples and oranges if that ,the two groups would not even qualify in the same general grouping as two produce. More like trying to force apples into steak. All to benefit your self important view of things you do not understand.

      January 30, 2012 at 10:43 am |
    • George

      @Doc Vestibule

      Here's the difference for you: Christians don't want to kill unbelievers or the immoral. We want to save them.

      January 30, 2012 at 10:56 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @George
      That's just what the Inquisitors said.

      January 30, 2012 at 11:01 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @pervert
      So you don't think that the rigidly dogmatic followers of the Abrahamic religions have anything in common?

      January 30, 2012 at 11:02 am |
    • MarcTTF

      @pervert alert
      Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all believe in the same god. The same god revealed though Abraham. The same god that created the heavens and the earth, Adam and Eve, Noah and the great flod. It’s all the same god. You might not like it, but saying it isn’t the same god doesn’t make it so, and neither does labeling it an idolatrous impersonation of ‘your’ god.

      It’s sad that all you see is Christianity’s sunshine and lollipops, and you can so easily dismiss the parallels the good Dr. has pointed out. You really should try reading more (you can start with your own bible).

      January 30, 2012 at 11:10 am |
    • An inconvenient truth

      The god of Islam is NOT the God of Judaism or Christianity. Allah the Arab name for God as presented is an Idol. Although Mohammed sought to steal legitimacy from God by using the name of Abraham he only succeeded in fooling the very gullible.

      January 30, 2012 at 11:17 am |
    • David Johnson

      @pervert alert

      Doc Vestibule made a really good point, as he always does. You on the other hand, called him names. You could not carry his jock strap.

      Cheers!

      January 30, 2012 at 11:18 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Kind of like Joseph Smith, Paul of Tarsus, L. Ron Hubbard, Mary Baker Eddy, Bahá'u'lláh, etc. ad nauseum.

      January 30, 2012 at 11:20 am |
    • derp

      "Christians don't want to kill unbelievers or the immoral"

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence

      No, christians would never kill unbelievers.

      January 30, 2012 at 11:20 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      whoopsy – last comment directed at "inconvenient truth"

      January 30, 2012 at 11:21 am |
    • DamianKnight

      @Doc,

      Well to be fair, if you want to go by Christian theology, the end times and the Rapture are two totally separate events. There's the Rapture and the seven years of tribulation (whether the Rapture occurs before, after or during the seven years has been argued to death and really no one knows.) Then there's the second coming of Christ, where He rules the Earth for 1,000 years and at some point there's the Battle of Armageddon where Satan is cast into the lake of fire and Christ makes a new Earth with a new Heaven.

      But using the Bible to sketch the timeline is difficult. It's been argued over and over again and no one is quite sure how or when it's going to take place.

      January 30, 2012 at 11:22 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @DamianKnight
      The book of Revelation is a difficult one to try and break down, even for theologans.
      The one thing we can know for sure is that the day we see a swarm of locusts with the face of a man, the mouth of a lion, the hair of woman and scorpion tails wearing tiny crowns and armour is the day when we should all repent!

      January 30, 2012 at 11:24 am |
    • DamianKnight

      @Doc,

      Agreed. I've read The Revelation many times and it makes my head spin a lot of times. Probably because a lot of it is allegory (as you previously mentioned). Taking it from a Christian standpoint, I think that is intentional.

      Mark 13:32-33 "But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Be on guard! Be alert!! You do not know when that time will come." It is my belief that we are intended not to know, but just be prepared.

      It's why people like Harold Camping drive me nuts. If Jesus didn't get the memo, I doubt some dude in Oakland did.

      January 30, 2012 at 11:33 am |
    • jimtanker

      I thought that Jesus WAS god. Then is Jesus is god and only god knows then only Jesus knows, but Jesus doesn’t know………….

      January 30, 2012 at 11:44 am |
    • An inconvenient truth

      God the Father, it is a reference that parallels a first century Jewish marriage ceremony. Sorry you are so confused

      January 30, 2012 at 11:47 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Damian
      The list of people who have given a specific date for the End Times is indeed a long one, but what is most amazing about teh Harold Campings of the world is that they find so many followers!
      I've often made the joke that when the Rapture does come and all the good, true, non-judgemental, charitable, humble Christians are transported bodily to Heaven that we'll miss both of them.

      January 30, 2012 at 12:05 pm |
    • J.W

      Damian and I will miss you too Doc.

      January 30, 2012 at 12:11 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @J.W.
      No way.
      I tell all of my friends and neighbours how awesomely humble I am – way more humble than you two guys.
      If there was a gold medal for humility, I'd have six of them!

      January 30, 2012 at 12:22 pm |
    • DamianKnight

      @JW, ten points. Well done.

      @Doc, that quote reminds me of the lyrics from Lancelot in the musical "Camelot."

      "C'est moi! C'est moi, I blush to disclose.
      I'm far too noble to lie.
      That man in whom
      These qualities bloom,
      C'est moi, c'est moi, 'tis I.
      I've never strayed
      From all I believe;
      I'm blessed with an iron will.
      Had I been made
      The partner of Eve,
      We'd be in Eden still.
      C'est moi! C'est moi! The angels have chose
      To fight their battles below,
      And here I stand, as pure as a pray'r,
      Incredibly clean, with virtue to spare,
      The godliest man I know!
      C'est moi!"

      January 30, 2012 at 12:37 pm |
    • Keith

      David Johnson, Just what is up with Obama entertaining George Bush Sr. and his boy Jeb in the White House on Friday, I believe it was? What gives?

      January 30, 2012 at 12:59 pm |
    • NickZadick

      Oh boy! Oh boy!! I just can't make up my mind which book of fairy tales is the right one and which fake man in the sky to fear...because I REALLY want to go to the disney land in the sky.... do you realize one second how you bible nuts sound?

      January 30, 2012 at 1:01 pm |
    • pervert alert

      David Johnson
      Why would anyone want to carry something that has spent so much time in your mouth?

      January 30, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
    • pervert alert

      I like having things in my mouth.

      Things that belong to sailors.

      Just sayin

      January 31, 2012 at 9:58 am |
  11. Keith

    Isn't Sharia wonderful? I wish Imam Rauf would hurry up and build the ground zero mosque so he can move forward with promoting it here. Hell, I think we as American taxpayers should foot the entire bill for the thing, too. allah akbar!

    January 30, 2012 at 8:49 am |
  12. BeYowSay

    Just put those sandNig gers in the chair...

    January 30, 2012 at 8:43 am |
  13. Reality

    Dear Sister and Brother Muslims,

    Time to enter into the 21st century. How? See below:

    And from the studies of Armstrong, Rushdie, Hirsi Ali, Richardson and Bayhaqi)

    The Five Steps To Deprogram 1400 Years of Islamic Myths:
    ( –The Steps take less than two minutes to finish- simply amazing, two minutes to bring peace and rationality to over one billion lost souls- Priceless!!!)

    Are you ready?

    Using "The 77 Branches of Islamic "faith" a collection compiled by Imam Bayhaqi as a starting point. In it, he explains the essential virtues that reflect true "faith" (iman) through related Qur’anic verses and Prophetic sayings." i.e. a nice summary of the Koran and Islamic beliefs.

    The First Five of the 77 Branches:

    "1. Belief in Allah"

    aka as God, Yahweh, Zeus, Jehovah, Mother Nature, etc. should be added to your self-cleansing neurons.

    "2. To believe that everything other than Allah was non-existent. Thereafter, Allah Most High created these things and subsequently they came into existence."

    Evolution and the Big Bang or the "Gi-b G-nab" (when the universe starts to recycle) are more plausible and the "akas" for Allah should be included if you continue to be a "crea-tionist".

    "3. To believe in the existence of angels."

    A major item for neuron cleansing. Angels/de-vils are the mythical creations of ancient civilizations, e.g. Hitt-ites, to explain/define natural events, contacts with their gods, big birds, sudden winds, protectors during the dark nights, etc. No "pretty/ug-ly wingy thingies" ever visited or talked to Mohammed, Jesus, Mary or Joseph or Joe Smith. Today we would classify angels as f–airies and "tin–ker be-lls". Modern de-vils are classified as the de-mons of the de-mented.

    "4. To believe that all the heavenly books that were sent to the different prophets are true. However, apart from the Quran, all other books are not valid anymore."

    Another major item to delete. There are no books written in the spirit state of Heaven (if there is one) just as there are no angels to write/publish/distribute them. The Koran, OT, NT etc. are simply books written by humans for humans.

    Prophets were invented by ancient scribes typically to keep the un-educated masses in line. Today we call them for-tune tellers.

    Prophecies are also invali-dated by the natural/God/Allah gifts of Free Will and Future.

    "5. To believe that all the prophets are true. However, we are commanded to follow the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) alone."

    Mohammed spent thirty days "fasting" (the Ramadan legend) in a hot cave before his first contact with Allah aka God etc. via a "pretty wingy thingy". Common sense demands a neuron deletion of #5. #5 is also the major source of Islamic vi-olence i.e. turning Mohammed's "fast, hunger-driven" hallu-cinations into horrible reality for unbelievers.

    Walk these Five Steps and we guarantee a complete recovery from your Islamic ways!!!!

    Unfortunately, there are not many Muslim commentators/readers on this blog so the "two-minute" cure is not getting to those who need it. If you have a Muslim friend, send him a copy and help save the world.

    Analogous steps are available at your request for deprogramming the myths of Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism and Paganism..

    January 30, 2012 at 8:05 am |
    • ......

      Hit report abuse on all reality repeat garbage

      January 30, 2012 at 8:12 am |
  14. Bo

    Does anyone know: Is Canadian law like English law; guilty until proven innocent?

    January 30, 2012 at 7:40 am |
    • Paul Denomme

      No you moron, Canadian law is the oppositive... you are still innocent until proven guilty. Guilty until proven innocent is an american concept.

      January 30, 2012 at 7:43 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      Paul is right but I don't think there was much question in this case about guilt...they were wire-tapped and caught admitting to the reasons behind the crimes

      January 30, 2012 at 7:47 am |
    • Mirosal

      Where do you think trial by jury came from? It wasn't American. It's an English concept, at least the modern-day version of trials. Read the Magna Carta (signed by King John in 1215) for reference.

      January 30, 2012 at 8:10 am |
  15. just sayin

    Allah is not God, prayer is to be conversation with God, not idols. Godly prayer does indeed change things, prayer in the service of idolatry is futile and usually destructive.

    January 30, 2012 at 6:55 am |
    • Kebos

      Allah was a man. Probably delusional. Would have suffered from one or more mental illnesses. Self-centered. And now, nothing more than a pile of dust, like Jesus, Moses, Abraham. All men who through the the power of story telling has made them larger than life. But they are all just men. Nothing more.

      January 30, 2012 at 7:00 am |
    • Mirosal

      You're an isiot. 'Allah" is simply the Arabic word for god. Just like Gott in German, Deaux in French, Dios in Spanish .... it isn't a different god or idol. It is the SAME 'god' that Jews and X-tards all bow down to. In English, you say 'god'. If you speak Arabic, the word is 'allah'

      January 30, 2012 at 7:01 am |
    • Kebos

      You're right. Need an extra shot of caffeine this morning. . I think Allah, I think Mohammed. Sorry, meant Mohammed, not Allah. The difference between the two is that one existed, the other does not. And never has.

      January 30, 2012 at 7:10 am |
    • just sayin

      Allah is the name of a god, an idol and a falsehood that deceives a great part of mankind. Allah is not a 'man'. Jesus is the risen savior of the world and revealed as Emmanuel, God with us, as God Himself having appeared in human form. Moses and Abraham still exist as has been testified to in scripture.

      January 30, 2012 at 7:11 am |
    • Mirosal

      @ Kebos .. sorry, my comment wasn't directed at you .. it was directed at "just sayin" ... he's a buy-bull thum'per. We've gone at it before

      January 30, 2012 at 7:13 am |
    • just sayin

      Hard to convince anyone you have intelligence if you cannot spell the name of the book you are slighting. Your ignorance is showing mirosal

      January 30, 2012 at 7:16 am |
    • Mirosal

      @ just sayin ... there is NO historical account of Abraham, Moses or even your zombie jesus ever having walked this Earth in the first place. All you have to go on is your moldy book, and scholars KNOW that it cannot be used as a history book by ANY means. And, 'allah' is not a name of a god or an idol. As I stated CLEARLY before, it is the Arabic word for 'god'. Use an online translator English to Arabic and see for yuorself you idiot.

      January 30, 2012 at 7:17 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      @just spewin: time to back it idiot!! prayer did nothing to save these women, prayer has done nothing to save innocent children from certain death...I would rather believe the research than dumb as.ses like you who have no god damn clue as to what you speak of because you are too far gone in the brainwashing techniques to live in the 21st century...,you need help.

      January 30, 2012 at 7:20 am |
    • just sayin

      Abraham didn't exist? Wow then who is buried in his tomb at Machpelah and where did all the Jewish people come from? Allah
      may be Arabic for god, Allah the supposed god of Islam is an idol. Jesus is alive and borne witness to by many sources from the first century A.D. right up to the present day. Try telling Israel there is no Moses, I don't believe you.

      January 30, 2012 at 7:26 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      @just spewin: try living in the 21st century loser

      January 30, 2012 at 7:27 am |
    • just sayin

      been there done that and it is full of prayerful Christian people

      January 30, 2012 at 7:32 am |
    • Mirosal

      Mohammed spoke Arabic, in his language, the word 'god' is 'allah'. Where are the records for this jesus guy? Who wrote about him? who wrote of his 'ddeds' WHILE HE WAS STILL ALIVE (if he ever was) With all that is claimed to have been done by jesus, someone must have written it down as it was happening, right? ... and why is there NO mention in any Egyptian records of the Jews running away to escape their slavery. You'd think that an entire people's escape would warrant some kind of footnote in history, right?

      January 30, 2012 at 7:33 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      @just spewin: saying it doesn't make it correct moron! Science prevails over religion...too bad that you're to god damn blind to see that or maybe it is strictly laziness. Either way you are a fool. You are such a hypocrite to come here and spew stuff with actual evidence to back it. We at least live in the real world and take responsibility for our actions.,..you use the god of the god damn gaps excuse.

      January 30, 2012 at 7:39 am |
    • just sayin

      Science was one of Gods good gifts to man science is not the opposite of faith science is enhanced by faith

      January 30, 2012 at 7:46 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      @just spewin: Wrong again idiot!! You can't back what you say EVER!! You need to provide the evidence and every time you are asked to, you evade the question and spew the same stupidity!!! You need to prove your god even exists before stating it gave us science!!! Prove it or shut up for once in your wasted life.

      January 30, 2012 at 7:52 am |
    • just sayin

      Isn't pointing out Abrahams grave site evidence?

      January 30, 2012 at 8:00 am |
    • Mirosal

      @ spewin' .. I mean sayin' ... if science is enhanced by faith, why did faith supress the advancement of science for over 1000 years, then arrest, try, and jail those who used and wrote about science?

      January 30, 2012 at 8:02 am |
    • Mirosal

      You were told that's what it is, and like any good sheep, you followed. Better run a DNA scan on it, or better yet, do a Carbon-14 test to date the bones. Your grave is nothing but another Piltdown man.

      January 30, 2012 at 8:04 am |
    • just sayin

      not too gifted in the history of man mirosal. Sin and human nature enter into every process. Math, science politics even religion have had proponents and opponents throughout history. It is only by Gods grace we have advanced at all. Imagine the possibilities if we all got behind GodsTruth and worked together. Not going to happen you and your kind are waaay too smart to let God bless us all.

      January 30, 2012 at 8:08 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      @just spewin: in the very least Mirosal does not believe in something that has never been proven to exist. your tomb story proves nothing!! There are many tombs of many a man who stories have been passed on about. People tend to embellish stories the more they are told. You can't convince anyone with a rational mind that you are correct and you will never win this battle, just like we unfortunately will never convince you that you are wrong....out only hope is that you die off quickly and rid the world of your delusions.

      January 30, 2012 at 8:11 am |
    • just sayin

      Whether or not you contest it there is a burial chamber in a field in Israel called Machpelah that has existed as such for 4000 years. Within that complex is a chamber with the remains of six persons. This location has a record of the oldest known deed transfer and is located exactly where the "Bible" says it would be.

      January 30, 2012 at 8:19 am |
    • Mirosal

      Actually, reverse your train of what you call thought. We just abandon all the BS about god, no more differences of faith. It would become a non-issue. Then ALL can work for the betterment of mankind without the silly rules and 'laws' of some imaginary sky-daddy getting in the way. Put the faith in ourselves as a species, without any religion telling us 'god won't allow that' .. we'll go into the cosmos and we'll finally live on THIS planet in peace.

      January 30, 2012 at 8:27 am |
    • Mirosal

      if it dates to 4000 years ago, it PRE-DATES the bible. You'd be writing AFTER the fact, not making a prophecy. Nothing miraculous or divine there.

      January 30, 2012 at 8:28 am |
    • just sayin

      Nope the record is in the Torah and would have existed in some written form at the time of Abraham 4000 years ago. The rest of Torah would have been compiled and written in the first five books at the time of Moses. Written records of that age are available as some have been found recording dealings with Lots city Sodom and the cities of the plains.

      January 30, 2012 at 8:35 am |
    • Mirosal

      The Torah ... the Pentateuch ... you're STILL using the bible as your sole reference. Not gonna fly in ANY court as evidence. Any other 3rd party sources? Surely the Jews were not the only ones with an alphabet at that time?

      January 30, 2012 at 8:41 am |
    • just sayin

      Why not the Bible has never been proved to be wrong, but since you missed it there are other references from that time period that have survived including the aforementioned trading references with Sodom and the cities on the plain.

      January 30, 2012 at 8:46 am |
    • Mirosal

      bible has never been proven to be .. what .. wrong??? REALLY?? you do live under a rock don't you? Or maybe you ARE a rock. I think you need to actually read that book, it is so full of contradictions. And the first book in it is one big fairy-tale that makes Santa and the Tooth Fairy seem real by comparison.

      January 30, 2012 at 8:51 am |
    • derp

      "Jesus is alive and borne witness to by many sources from the first century A.D. right up to the present day"

      You show me one present day person who claims to have actually "witnessed" jeebus, and I'll show you a loony bin occupier.

      January 30, 2012 at 3:21 pm |
    • pervert alert

      "Sin and human nature enter into every process"

      Speaking of entering, I really like when sailors enter me.

      Just sayin.

      January 31, 2012 at 10:00 am |
  16. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    January 30, 2012 at 6:37 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      Hey Moron, prayer did nothing to save the innocent lives of these young women...go away troll and stop posting your bullsh!t lies!!

      January 30, 2012 at 6:43 am |
    • Mirosal

      It doesn't change a thing, this is where you lie to everyone by saying this, and now YOU are going to "burn in hell" for breaking your "god's" law - so ha ha ha

      January 30, 2012 at 6:45 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      I'm going to pull a CA on this one (no offense to CA here)...to Atheism Yaddi Yaddi Yaddi...this is an article pertaining to Canada...we don't want your opinion on this topic. When you only spew one thing, it becomes redundant and makes you look quite delusional. Anyone else from your country, including CA, is more than welcome to voice their opinion, only because they are not going to say that prayer changes things when saying such a thing is not pertinent to such a horrific story....most of the christians on this blog would be intelligent enough to realize that the story at hand is about outright evil and murder...even your christian god would condemn these people to his hell.

      January 30, 2012 at 6:53 am |
    • Kebos

      "Athesism is not....." is a troll. Don't give them the rush they want by responding to them.

      January 30, 2012 at 6:57 am |
    • Mirosal

      m'lady, I certainly won't fault you 🙂 . In fact, I'm waiting for CA to get out of his crib, finish his bottle, have mommy burp him, log on and see this story. Then you can let him have it!! lol If these idiots ever DO get parole (not likely) who watches them? RCMP? or another federal agency?

      January 30, 2012 at 6:57 am |
    • Prayer changes things

      Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

      January 30, 2012 at 6:58 am |
    • Mirosal

      The only thing prayer will change is the level of dopamine in your system, That's it.

      January 30, 2012 at 7:04 am |
    • Rev. Parson

      I think Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things is offering a sincere desire to see mankind come to Christ in prayer.

      January 30, 2012 at 7:05 am |
    • Mirosal

      Not gonna happen. There is nothing to pray to.

      January 30, 2012 at 7:08 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      @Mirosal: If ever released, they will be ordered to report to a parole officer. Every time they move or wish to travel, they will need permission. Our parole board is quite stringent on how they handle things. The slightest screw up if they are paroled will have them with their parole revoked and thrown back in for the remainder of their time.
      Unfortunately, at their parole hearings there will be no surviving victim or family in this case to speak about why they should not be released but I don't think our parole board will let the reason behind this crime go unnoticed at any hearing, not unless these people dismiss their beliefs and that is highly unlikely (after all it was their beliefs that led up to this crime).

      January 30, 2012 at 7:09 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      @Prayer changes things: You'd know what prayer does, how??? You're a fool to believe that...just look around you moron...parents praying for their children to get healthy instead of doing the proper thing and getting them medical attention, in turn allowing those children to die. Prayer does nothing and it has been proven time and time again. It is only a god damn feel good measure for you deluded fools!!

      January 30, 2012 at 7:12 am |
    • Tommy DeVito

      Strict parole board? Ken and Barbie murders?

      January 30, 2012 at 7:14 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      @Tommy DeVito: What???

      January 30, 2012 at 7:23 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      @Rev Parson: What you think does not matter given that you use the handle you do and are probably as brainwashed as the idiot who start this conversation. No scientific evidence to say anything valid about prayer and until there is, prayer can only be considered a placebo for the delusional likes of people like you.

      January 30, 2012 at 7:26 am |
    • Tommy DeVito

      Barbie the Canadian murdering chick who is out and living in the tropics or something.

      January 30, 2012 at 7:29 am |
    • just sayin

      science is given to mankind by God and many if not most scientists have been and are people of prayer.

      January 30, 2012 at 7:31 am |
    • Mirosal

      Are we supposed to use your buybull as a science textbook now?

      January 30, 2012 at 7:35 am |
    • Tommy DeVito

      Moron can't even spell properly

      January 30, 2012 at 7:39 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      @just spewin: oh wow, you are so wrong...science and your god delusion have nothing in common...you insult science greatly be pretending that your fictional imaginary friend has anything to do with it. you're too lazy to look for the answers, so you use god as the answer and the real world does not work like that...the courts didn't allow the god delusion to work and the courts of our land are the only ones that matter. When you can provide solid physical evidence that does not come from your buybull or any other theological piece of crap, you will be give credence, until then we will continue to believe you are a lying sack of garbage.

      January 30, 2012 at 7:43 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      @Tommy: if you're speaking about me, I will apologize but presently am one handed and the wrong hand at that.

      January 30, 2012 at 7:45 am |
    • Paul Denomme

      So let's see how prayer is going to make these murderers feel in 25 years from now.

      January 30, 2012 at 7:47 am |
    • just sayin

      prayer directed anywhere but to the one True God would be ineffective.

      January 30, 2012 at 7:58 am |
    • Mirosal

      I think Tommy is commenting on my spelling of his moldy-oldie book. I know what the word is, I even know what the root origin of that word is. When you BUY a bible, you're buying pages upon pages of BULL. bible - buy-bull ... it's called a synonym. Anything else Tommy?

      January 30, 2012 at 8:00 am |
    • Tommy DeVito

      yeah you ain't funny you ain't witty and you are a F'n poor excuse for a human being

      January 30, 2012 at 8:02 am |
    • Mirosal

      Guess that 3rd year of sixth grade didn't help Tommy ... You're still studying to pass that G.E.D. test aren't you?

      January 30, 2012 at 8:06 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      @Mirosal: I'll pick on one spelling error...your spelling of Ottowa when it should be Ottawa 😉
      @Tommy: Slightly hateful...aren't we? Would your god approve? I think not...you just condemned yourself to that fict.itious place called he.ll!!

      January 30, 2012 at 8:08 am |
    • Tommy DeVito

      Nah i'm looking to hook up with a crew

      January 30, 2012 at 8:10 am |
    • Mirosal

      I'm sure you can find some stray feral possums or skunks to run with you. Who knows, you might even make THEM look good standing next to you.

      January 30, 2012 at 8:13 am |
    • Nope

      We've been praying you would stop posting this crap, yet it continues, proving prayer doesn't work.

      Oh, and how about all those prayers for world peace that go unanswered.

      Oh and then there's the prayers of starving people around the world whose prayers go unanswered, dying by the millions.

      January 30, 2012 at 10:55 am |
    • David Johnson

      @just sayin

      You said: "prayer directed anywhere but to the one True God would be ineffective."

      And which god would be the one true god? What evidence do you have that you are right?

      There are about 14 major religions in our world today. Assuming that one of these religions worships the one true god, you have a 1 in 14 (7%) chance of choosing the correct god. You have a 93% chance of making the wrong choice.

      Just bein' curious

      January 30, 2012 at 11:48 am |
    • David Johnson

      @Rev. Parson

      Jesus was an urban legend. He never actually existed.

      Just Settin' the record straight

      January 30, 2012 at 11:52 am |
    • Nope

      Dr. Herbert Benson of Harvard Medical School and other scientists tested the effect of having three Christian groups pray for particular patients, starting the night before surgery and continuing for two weeks. The volunteers prayed for "a successful surgery with a quick, healthy recovery and no complications" for specific patients, for whom they were given the first name and first initial of the last name.

      The patients, meanwhile, were split into three groups of about 600 apiece: those who knew they were being prayed for, those who were prayed for but only knew it was a possibility, and those who weren't prayed for but were told it was a possibility.

      The researchers didn't ask patients or their families and friends to alter any plans they had for prayer, saying such a step would have been unethical and impractical. The study looked for any complications within 30 days of the surgery. Results showed no effect of prayer on complication-free recovery. But 59 percent of the patients who knew they were being prayed for developed a complication, versus 52 percent of those who were told it was just a possibility.

      January 30, 2012 at 2:42 pm |
    • captain america

      Just because this story happened in Canada, doesn’t mean we here in America care what you have to say about it on an American news site. Your socialist government will coddle these killers, then release them prematurely, and then let them enter our country where they’ll commit more vile acts. Nobody cares what you stupid canucks have to say.
      There’s your sign!

      January 30, 2012 at 2:48 pm |
    • TruthPrevails

      @CA: This is story about Canada, not your precious USA (2 of our citizens work for CNN...a national news station that like everything else in this god damn world happens to be based out of your country). Mind your own business loser. There's your sign! Btw: We are not a socialist country moron!!! We will not coddle these losers, they have gotten exactly what they deserve. Suck it up buttercup-we're still here and it's time you mined your business...this article is not your business...it is a Canadian article!!

      January 30, 2012 at 2:53 pm |
  17. AtheistSteve

    Prison inmates shun killers of young women and these men and woman will likely not survive their imprisonment.

    January 30, 2012 at 5:48 am |
    • Mirosal

      An excellent example of why civil law trumps "religious" law ... religious 'laws' are not laws at all. Now, if only Ottowa would endorse the death penalty for them.

      January 30, 2012 at 5:59 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      They will all be given cozy little cells in Kingston Pen or Collins Bay, plead for protective custody and never risk the true punishment they deserve. They should never be allowed out again, although Papa dude will more than likely die while inside given his age...he will have to serve at least 10 years before being eligible for parole making him 68.

      January 30, 2012 at 6:13 am |
    • Mirosal

      I thought it said they got 25 to life ... no parole hearing until 25 years, making daddy 83 "stpe"-mommmy 67 and the brother 46 at that time. Daddy and "mommy" will most likely die before the 25 years are up, and I'm hoping that the idiot son gets shanked in the shower by the end of this week. Guess that will teach them to NOT pis's off the Crown!!

      January 30, 2012 at 6:27 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      What will happen is that our wonderful parole board will allow them to apply in 10 years regardless of the 25 to life...they will more than likely be denied but we still give them the right to apply. A number of factors will be taken in to account at their hearings...remorse-which I'm sure none will be had, is one thing our parole boards look for. I think the son may have some remorse after he has had some serious down time to think about his part in this horrific crime but the rest remains to be seen. Even if paroled, they will live under the constant scrutiny of the justice system...murderers are usually stuck on life time parole and are never pardoned here in Canada.

      January 30, 2012 at 6:49 am |
  18. TruthPrevails

    Proud day to be Canadian. OH Canada...we stand on guard for thee!! Now rot you wretched people....they came here to be free but when some of their family took advantage of those freedom's they used their religious thinking to take the rights away permanently...hoping they all enjoy the new 8×12 rooms. Hope this is a lesson to all others who come to our country...have your beliefs but keep them private...because in my wonderful country...we're not gonna take your beliefs to heart and will put you where you belong when you break our laws.

    January 30, 2012 at 4:36 am |
    • David Johnson

      @TruthPrevails

      The Canadians will be feeding and giving care to these people for the next 25 years. Might have made more sense, to deport them.

      Cheers!

      January 30, 2012 at 11:29 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      @David: Yes, we will be feeding them and supporting them but I'd rather they rot their sorry a$$es in our prison system and be supervised here than send them back to their country where the penalty may not be so severe...we can deport them after they have done their time.

      January 30, 2012 at 2:49 pm |
  19. Disgusted

    What good is God when he could stop things like this and cancer and war and torture and birth defects, but he doesn't?

    January 30, 2012 at 3:54 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      God couldn't prevent the horror's of human nature because god doesn't exist!

      January 30, 2012 at 6:14 am |
    • Kebos

      Correct, TruthPrevails. Look around you, "Disgusted". There is so much good and so much bad in the world. But no god to intervene in either. Where there is the impression that god has intervened, that is merely coincidence. The people miraculously cured at some of Christianity's famous landmarks, the odds of being cured are so low that what one sees are naturally occurring events, not the result of some deity. Mankind will shed the need for a god but unfortunately not in our lifetime. But it will and one day mankind will look back on us as naive and perhaps foolish in this unfounded belief in a god.

      January 30, 2012 at 7:08 am |
  20. Elbert

    Go Canada! Good on ye! No Sharia law for you yet!

    January 30, 2012 at 2:28 am |
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