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February 2nd, 2012
04:26 AM ET

Belief Blog's Morning Speed Read for Thursday, February 2

By Dan Merica, CNN

Here's the Belief Blog’s morning rundown of the top faith-angle stories from around the United States and around the world. Click the headlines for the full stories.

From the Blog:

CNN: Santorum co-chair: Homosexuality ‘makes God want to vomit’
Reverend O'Neal Dozier, pastor of the Worldwide Christian Center in Pompano Beach, Florida, joined CNN anchor Brooke Baldwin to discuss some controversial statements he has made in the past on social issues.

Colts linebacker Gary Brackett leans on his faith in tough times.

Indianapolis Recorder: Linebacker’s faith pulls him through tough spot
Gary Brackett's life reads like a movie. He was a walk on at Rutgers University; yet by his senior year he was named defensive captain and won the team's defensive MVP honors.

CNN: Islamist or Islamic?
CNN's Erin Burnett examines two recent cases of violence against women. Were they the product of religion or culture? Is there a difference?

CNN: Cardinal in scandal hit Philadelphia dies at 88
Philadelphia's Cardinal Anthony Bevilacqua has died at the age of 88, the city's Catholic archdiocese announced. The announcement Tuesday comes as the archdiocese faces one of the most sweeping sex abuse scandals in America.

Belief on TV:

Tweet of the Day:

From @BeliefBeat: 28 yes, 21 no for gay marriage in #waleg senate. Bill passes, now to house, then @GovGregoire.

Enlightening Reads:

Religion News Service: Study says U.S. Muslims don’t want Shariah either
North American Muslims are more than satisfied with the secular legal system and do not want a set of parallel courts for Islamic law, according to a new study of U.S. and Canadian Muslims by a Washington-based think tank.

The Guardian: More antisemetic crimes recorded in Manchester than London last year
More antisemitic incidents were recorded in Manchester than in London last year, despite the capital having a Jewish community almost seven times larger, according to figures released on Thursday. There were 586 antisemitic crimes – including street attacks, threats, vandalism and desecration of Jewish property – across the whole of Britain last year.

Baptist Press: Unclear if Lifeway decisions impacted Komen
LifeWay Christian Resources' decision to end sales of a special-edition Bible that partly benefited Susan G. Komen for the Cure reportedly came the same month the breast cancer charity revealed it would cut ties with Planned Parenthood, but Thom Rainer can't say for sure if the two actions are related.

U.S. Catholic: Cardinal urges Catholic college leaders to embrace immigration reform
Cardinal Roger M. Mahony, retired archbishop of Los Angeles and longtime advocate of comprehensive immigration reform, is frustrated with the lack of action from Congress on the issue and hopes that today's young people will bring about a change.

Quote of the Day:

I know for a fact that Tim is not going to be a part of it. That's being resolved.

Tim Tebow has canceled an appearance at a revival organized by a controversial Ohio preacher, a spokesman for the star athlete said Wednesday. Tebow's brother Robbie said in a phone interview with the Huffington Post that he was canceling the talk.

Today’s Opinion:

CNN: My Take: Inside our scary, society-destroying family
Over the prior months, sides had been chosen, harsh words had been hurled from all fronts, battle lines drawn. Up for vote was a referendum on whether Washington state would allow gay and lesbian couples to have several of the rights and responsibilities of legally married heterosexual couples.

Join the conversation…

CNN: Rubio brings bill to floor, charging a violation of religious liberties
Sen. Marco Rubio has introduced the Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 2012, bringing to the Senate the ever growing charge that President Barack Obama and his administration are violating the rights of religious Americans.

- Dan Merica

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  1. House cleaning Las Vegas

    Helpful info. Fortunate me I discovered your site accidentally, and I am surprised why this accident did not came about in advance! I bookmarked it.

    April 16, 2012 at 12:56 am |
  2. Muneef

    bellow is a wonderful website of tafseer al quran alkareem by all schools of Islam  

    http://www.altafsir.com/

    February 5, 2012 at 2:16 am |
  3. NickZadick

    no the choice is between logic and indocrination!

    February 3, 2012 at 3:10 pm |
  4. NickZadick

    Well I give up...you religinuts are completely brainwashed...there is nothing to do with you! I just find it sad...yes sad...that you expect another life... you should concentrate on living this one instead of letting fear control you and expect to be rewarded!!

    February 3, 2012 at 7:56 am |
  5. Muneef

    For easy reference

    Quran & Logic_Part I – The Source of Quran

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCtqazfyMDs&w=640&h=360]
     

     The Second Video:
    The Quran & Logic _Part II – The challenge

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxLihN1vjFk&w=640&h=360]
      
    The Third Video:
    The Quran & Logic _Part III: The renewable Miracle

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sme2X3xFcc&w=640&h=360]

    February 2, 2012 at 7:48 pm |
  6. Muneef

    Would like to share with you the following received;

    What proves that the Qur'an is the Word of God? What proves that the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) did not write it?
    This claim was studied and analyzed carefully in
     http://Rasoulallah.net
    The answer to such claim is divided into two parts:
    Logical answer and scientific answer.
    Both aspects of logic and science are the qualities that combine and distinguish humans.

    In the following videos we address those who disagree through rational and scientific methods can be found at ; http://Rasoulallah.net

    The First Video:
    Quran & Logic_Part I – The Source of Quran

    The Second Video:
    The Quran & Logic _Part II – The challenge
      
    The Third Video:
    The Quran & Logic _Part III: The renewable Miracle

    February 2, 2012 at 7:07 pm |
    • Okay, I'll play

      Well Muneef, I took a look at the first video, and if that passes for evidence with you, WOW!

      Seriously? Do you have any critical thinking skills at all? Did you not have a problem with the "future prediction of Romans being victorious," even though the Roman empire ceased to exist in 476 and Islam began in 610?

      You provided total gibberish. That is NOT proof.

      February 2, 2012 at 8:05 pm |
    • Muneef

      Only proves how empty headed you are to think that islam did not exist during roman empire times...you know nothing about that history...

      February 5, 2012 at 2:20 pm |
  7. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things
    Prayer is big
    Prayer is bold
    Prayer is beautiful
    Prayer changes things

    February 2, 2012 at 7:05 pm |
    • Nope

      ~~The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.~~

      February 2, 2012 at 7:17 pm |
  8. WRITTEN IN STONE

    GODS THE BOSS

    February 2, 2012 at 6:40 pm |
  9. nope is a useless repulican word

    predestined to be lost JA?

    February 2, 2012 at 2:53 pm |
  10. JA

    @Nick
    So you claim you know EXACTLY everything about what i believe. Truth is, I dont know anything about you. So you see, you aren't any different.

    February 2, 2012 at 2:08 pm |
    • JA

      oops, wrong place

      February 2, 2012 at 2:08 pm |
    • NickZadick

      No I do not know exactly what you believe...**** I had written a long text but erased it... I don't care anymore... go on and believe in your fantasy book... almost no one in the countries where life is best in the world believe in your nonsence (Norway, Sweden, Denmark...etc) they must ALL be going to hell...right??? ya right... I'm done here ... I had an idea to try to make you see how ridiculous your fairy tales are.... but you are all hopelessly indoctrinated and cannot see logic... you are the weakest link...goodbye!!

      February 3, 2012 at 3:27 pm |
  11. cyrraedd

    script test

    February 2, 2012 at 1:28 pm |
  12. Reality

    Only for the newbies:

    Obama says abortions should be "safe, legal and rare" but says nothing about the basic tenet of proper human conduct i.e. Thou Shalt Not Kill. And where is BO's sense of indignation that abortions are not rare and that these acts of horror demean the Golden Rule considering that he says he is a Christian. And where is his sense of indignation that women who use the Pill do not use it properly resulting in an failure rate of 8.7% as per the Gu-ttmacher Inst-itute statistics. Using these and other Gu-ttmacher Insti-tute data, this failure of women to use the Pill properly results in ~1,000,000 unplanned pregnancies every year. And the annual abortion rate in the USA is?? ~1,000,000 as per the CDC.

    And do males use co-ndoms properly? No, as said failure rate for this birth "control" method is 17.4%!! Again using Gu-ttmacher data, said failure rate results in another ~1,000,000 unplanned pregnancies every year.

    Bottom line: BO is still not aware of the basics of birth control and still remains the leader of the Immoral Majority and will remain so until he becomes a true Christian and one who respects and protects human life in all its forms and who at least emphasizes the proper use of birth control methods!!!

    The Immoral Majority you ask?

    The fastest growing and possibly the largest USA voting bloc: In 2008, the 70+ million "Roe vs. Wade mothers and fathers" of aborted womb-babies" whose ranks grow by two million per year i.e. 78+ million "IM" voters in 2012.

    2008 Presidential popular vote results:

    69,456,897 for pro-abortion/choice BO, 59,934,814 for "pro-life" JM.

    February 2, 2012 at 11:36 am |
    • Observer

      My fantasy: effective vaccines or devices that require no attention by the user and that are easily reversible on demand. Something for men as well as women. Pregnancy should become a completely deliberate event. Why this won't work: we suck at delivering even basic medical care to a huge segment of society. Advanced methods of birth control would not reach a huge number of people for that reason.

      February 2, 2012 at 12:21 pm |
    • lunchbreaker

      I would like to know exactly what an "aborted womb-baby" is. I googled the term and every single response was Reality's post, word for word, posted on various message boards.

      February 2, 2012 at 12:30 pm |
    • Observer

      Another thought – we have amazing difficulty addressing even STDs. It's been a political battle in several states just to get girls (and now boys) vaccinated against HPV. People complain that it promotes promiscuity! Imagine trying to mandate or even encourage implementation of birth control from an early age. I guess we need the threat of pregnancy to discourage kids from sex.

      February 2, 2012 at 12:32 pm |
    • ......

      hit report abuse every time a reality post appears

      February 2, 2012 at 4:54 pm |
  13. AGuest9

    "North American Muslims are more than satisfied with the secular legal system and do not want a set of parallel courts for Islamic law" Unless they are intent on murdering their daughters for insubordination, that is.

    February 2, 2012 at 11:22 am |
  14. hippypoet

    muhahahahahahahahaha – i have a question for the ages here ... why is it that christians believe they know/understand/are better then there counter-part the practicing jew? its all very confusing, but having seen christards go back and forth ralling at each other – it always seems to end with the christards belief that they are above. (whats funny is that the jewish people are gods chosen people and so they are technically better then gentiles, in the aspect of belief in that god alone that is!) Now i still hold that both are delusional, but i'd take the side of a jew in a religious conversation over a christard any day! The word reverence comes to mind...and the fact that even thou the god is the same for both, it would seem that christards are less pleased with theres as they keep making up new BS to fill the gaps left by there predecessors. Jews have had the same story for a very very long time – the only change is why things that have been done for years are being done today...its more an understanding and reasoning aspect then filling gaps like those other losers....but hey – like i said, i still hold true that all who believe are delusional and so with that none are better or above for they all fit the definition of delusional thinking.

    February 2, 2012 at 8:01 am |
    • lunchbreaker

      The real hippypoet has better grammar.

      February 2, 2012 at 8:48 am |
    • hippypoet

      while i thank for the high opinion of me i must correct you in that it was me who posted that... before coffee and already slammed with customers at the office – 30 minutes BEFORE we open mind you! so i was just doing my thing but never got a chance to do my once over before posting, i just hit post and said fuc it... sry i guess. lol no worries. Its far more of a rant then i had originally wanted, but so is life – full of mistakes for us to learn.

      February 2, 2012 at 9:05 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Christianity is just Judaism for Gentiles.
      The God of Abraham was initially not meant for anyone save the Isrealites.
      I haven't met many Jewish folk who take their Holy Book literally – they more consider it an aprocryphal history of their people (for the record: I got exposed to a whole lotta hebrew with my ex and her russian orthodox parents).
      Most Christians don't seem to realize just how many people through the ages have claimed to be the Jewish Messiah.
      In and around the time of Christ, there was:
      Simon of Peraea – a slave of King Herod executed by the Romans.
      Athronges, who led a rebellion against Herod.
      Judas of Galilee – executed by the Romans for leading a bloody revolt
      Menahem ben Judah, who eventually became a brutal tyrant.
      John of Gischala, a leader in the 1st Jewish/Roman war.
      There's even a sect called the Donmeh that are a kind of hyrbrid of Islam and Judaism who, since the 17th century, have considered Sabbatai Zevi to be The Messiah.

      I'd much rather discuss theology with a Rabbi than a Pastor for the simple reason that Jews don't prosthelytize!
      But a lot of people seem to think that the Torah's sequel is better than the original... and who are we to argue?
      Terminator II was better than the original after all...

      February 2, 2012 at 9:07 am |
    • Brad

      "christard" is not a term I've ever seen you use before. Anyway, I've had a lot of stimulating discussion with various Jewish friends. Jews are not a monolithic group so generalizations are to be avoided. The differences among Jews are almost as great as the difference between any individual Jew and myself. Still, we seem to agree on a lot of things. The basic concept of the nature of God is certainly one. We differ on how people stand in relation to God. Law vs Gospel as Lutherans put it. We (Christians) believe in a pivotal event – one that we believe summed up the Law: the death and resurrection of Christ.

      February 2, 2012 at 9:15 am |
    • lunchbreaker

      Apologies, however you are the most copied poster, at least on the belief blogs. I wish I had a nickel everytime someone copied your handle. As to the topic at hand, what surpriss me is the zionist nature of U.S. polotics. Jews think Christians are just wrong about the whole New testament thing, and even though Christians think Jews are wrong about Jesus Christians will still admit the Jews being God's chosen people. I imagine it's just because it's having one more book in common than they do with Islam.

      February 2, 2012 at 9:15 am |
    • hippypoet

      @brad – yeah, i don't normally say christard but today is an off day for me... this is the last time that will come out. I was just having an off moment to my off day....no sleep with my ten month old in the bed with me from 2am on and then my wife hitting me telling me i snore too loud (as if i have any control over it) then being slammed by customers who, for whatever reason, believe as devoutly as any believer in god that things should be free! I need a vaca – badly! i want to go to cali and pan for gold or NC to mine for emeralds or hit the crater national park and search for diamonds....just something to take me away from the world for the moment.

      February 2, 2012 at 9:31 am |
    • lunchbreaker

      Crater Park is fun. You a rock hound Hippy? I was a geology major myself. A bit of inside info on the park: Apparently it gets picked clean so often that they dig from deeper down in the crater and "re seed" the park. They try to keep that on the hush for some reason.

      February 2, 2012 at 9:47 am |
    • hippypoet

      oh i've been sick with the fever for some time now....i had heard such about park and i also saw a youtube vid of the plow and backh.oe diggin so i knew then its actually a pit mine that they want people do pay over the amount of diamond worth in the dirt instead of pay themselves via gas and man power to dig it all up and go thru it. All that tells me is that there isn't really anything worth finding save the random lucky winner.....like that kid who found the 1000 ct emerald that someone else had thrown away thinking it was just a huge rock! what are eyes good for if you don't use them!

      if you have any good tips on slucing or panning i'd love to hear them...please! 🙂

      February 2, 2012 at 9:57 am |
    • Jew!

      To your original posting hippy

      I've never understood the the stark contrast between the jewish community and many others. For instance, the black community and jewish community has never been on good terms (until very recently, even though thats tenuous) and yet historically it's jewish people and black people that's had it pretty damn hard. You'd think we'd all get along, but there's a huge divide. Then there's the divide between jews and christians. Throughout history, it's been christians targeting jews for various reasons. Either we "killed" christ by calling for his death, we didn't accept him as the messiah because like the Doctor pointed out, there have been many people claiming to be the messiah over the years, and like jesus, none of them have fulfilled the prophecies and done what they were supposed to do. On our end, we are still a closed community and we don't allow anyone to join by saying "I'm a jew now". We have rules that are specifically designed to make us outcasts among the gentiles and our communities are so tightly knit that even in todays world I have a rabbi who had zero problem performing a marriage between two men, however he refused to marry my brother and his catholic wife because they would be interfaith, and we're reform!
      Theologically, the jews/israelites are gods chosen people and christians have decided to co-opt our book and just add in that it's not the case anymore, and add a lot more rules and abolish old ones, sort of like what Mormonism is doing to christianity now and yet christians don't see the irony that it's exactly what they did to us so many years ago. Personally I root for the mormons only so they can uncover the true ridiculousness of the christian belief.

      February 2, 2012 at 11:18 am |
    • Brad

      hippypoet-

      It does sound like you need a break. I remember when my kids were small: up and down all night. Certainly worth the trouble, though, to raise up kids who can talk back and argue with the best of them (that really is one of the things I enjoy most about them). Kayaking and canoeing are what I do to get away. Something my wife enjoys too. So, yeah, go find some emeralds, or go panning down in Georgia.

      February 2, 2012 at 11:58 am |
    • DamianKnight

      Any Christian who tells you they are "better" than someone else isn't following the teachings of Christ. "For all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God."

      I think one of the biggest troubles with Christianity (and I say this as a believer), is the lack of humility.

      February 2, 2012 at 12:03 pm |
    • Jew!

      But for any religion to work DamianKnight, doesn't every religion have to suspend humility in order to boast that they are following the right religion and everyone is wrong? I mean, if there's one thing jews acknowledge, it's the fact that we don't have to humble about being gods chosen people, in fact we have to tell everyone just how chosen we are and be light to the world and show everyone what's it's like being a jew by being awesome. Christian faith on the other hand had jesus saying the meek shall inherit the earth, and being humble is a virtue and so on so they put themselves in a bind where they have to be humble and yet at the same time spread the word of jesus because jesus (and by extension, them) was right and everyone else is wrong.

      I would say the problem isn't lack of humility in the christian community, but rather the idea that they have to be humble and fail at it.

      February 2, 2012 at 12:17 pm |
    • DamianKnight

      @Jew!,

      Not at all. Christians should boast in Christ, because as Paul admonishes us, "May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world."

      To me, saying I'm a Christian is not something I lord over people's heads. It's a recognition that I am a sinner and need a Savior. It's a brokenness of spirit, an admission of weakness. I am not ashamed of my faith, but there is nothing about "me" that is better than anyone else.

      I will gladly tell people of my beliefs. If they reject them, then I wish them well. I don't try to Bible-beat them. That's not my job and I am certainly not worthy to judge anyone for their actions or decisions.

      February 2, 2012 at 12:46 pm |
    • Jew!

      You misunderstand me. I'm saying that every christian out there is a bible thumper that tries to beat everyone about the head with the gospel or uses the term "christian" as a way to elevate themselves over other people (though people like that do exist). However, every religion as-sures their adherents that the specific religion is right and everyone else is wrong, christianity, islam and buddhism more than most. When a religion is partly built around spreading that religion, it's all about making sure they are the only way to salvation and they are right and everyone else is wrong. Now , your specific belief to you might mean that being a christian is admission of being a sinner and needing christ to save you, but the underlying part there is that christ is the only one who can save you and your sin is based on what the bible says is sin. If you did not believe in the superiority of your own religion, then you wouldn't need to believe that jesus was the only way to redeem you right?

      February 2, 2012 at 1:14 pm |
    • DamianKnight

      I can see your point. And you do make a valid, logical argument. I think "pride" is a little off the mark, at least in common parlance (being that being prideful usually has a negative connotation). I think it is worth mentioning intent. Is the intent to put someone else down or to spread the truth as they know it? I don't think it's prideful to say, "Christ is the way to salvation" if you honestly believe that, because that's being truthful to your beliefs. I do think it's prideful if you use it to oppress other people (i.e. the Crusades, the Inquisition and all other manners of atrocities that have been committed in the name of Christianity.)

      I think we can both agree that to be a Christian, is to ideally follow the teachings of Christ. That said, anyone who says, "I'm a Christian and I am better than you, Mr. Muslim, because I follow Christ" is not adhering to Christ's teachings on humility and certainly not emulating the way Christ acted.

      Look at the docu.mentation we have of Christ's life in the Bible. He didn't lord "I'm the Messiah" over them and try to make them feel bad about themselves. He sat and ate with tax collectors (the lowest of the low in that society.) He tried to teach and instruct people in what he believed. But when people told him he was wrong, did he jump down their throats, waving the Scriptures in their face and tell them how they were going to Hell? No. He said what he had to say and left, confident in his beliefs.

      And when the people rejected Jesus' arrival, and John and his brother asked if they should call fire down and consume the town for DARING to speak poorly of the Messiah, Jesus rebuked them.

      February 2, 2012 at 1:41 pm |
    • Jew!

      Fair enough, but you don't have to be prideful to be confident that you know you are right. I wouldn't expect you to go up to a muslim and say Mr. Muslim, you are so wrong and you deserve to go to hell, but regardless of if you say it or not, do you believe that being a jew or a muslim you won't achieve salvation until you admit jesus is our lord and savior.

      As for what jesus did, like you said he didn't condemn everyone to hel-l, he didn't try to kill anyone who didn't accept him as the messiah, but he was positive he was the messiah and he was right and everyone was wrong. What you're saying is that you have to be humble about knowing that you are right, which doesn't that sound pretty upside down?

      February 2, 2012 at 2:11 pm |
    • DamianKnight

      @Jew!,

      Is this Chuckles? If so, hey man!!! If not, I am enjoying talking to you. Few are as polite about their beliefs that are in opposition or at the least, different to Christians.

      But back to the subject at hand. I think "confident" is a good word. And I don't think there's anything negative about being confident, until it turns into pride.

      As to your question about the salvation of Jews and Muslims, I honestly can't say. I know Jesus said, "No one comes to the Father except through me." That's what the Bible says. Therefore, it seems that Jesus is stating that if you don't accept Him, you cannot come to the Father.

      However, I am in no position to proclaim who is saved and who is condemned. That's God's job, not mine and Lord knows (pun intended) that I don't want that job! Talk about being overworked! Sheesh! It's why I don't go around saying things like, "Get right or get left!" or "Turn or burn!" This is the crux of what Jesus said, "Judge not lest ye be judged."

      It is my job (as a Christian) to tell people who Jesus was and what my beliefs are. It is NOT my job to judge people for what they've done, nor convince them of my beliefs. Merely go out and speak about it. Those who choose to believe, I welcome as brothers and sisters. Those who do not, I still love them as my neighbor and pray blessings on them. Simply speak. That's all that's expected or required.

      Where our society has gone wrong, and Christians are some of the worst offenders, is that we have this need to prove we are right. We need to, in arrogance and pride, beat down others verbally to establish our superiority. A pecking order, as it were. We can't just share ideas, agree to disagree, and continue to love each other. We have to call people fools and idiots. This isn't productive. Share ideas. Some you may convice, some you may not. But that's ok! If we all had the same ideas, we'd be zombies wandering around reciting some mantra in a dull, monotone voice.

      February 2, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
    • Jew!

      I am not a chuckles but I do think the best way to get ideas across, especially in this sort of forum, is to discuss it without denigrating others, not others beliefs I think are fair game. I hope you don't think that when I flippantly say something about others faiths, it's not trying to go after people, but the belief of that person.

      Back to the subject at hand. I guess confidence is always a good thing, especially when you make a decision about something, you have to be confident about it, but can't you then confidently say that since jesus says you can't go to heaven unless you say jesus is lord then can't you also be pretty sure that jews, muslims, atheists, hindus, buddhists, pagans, animists, etc... are all not going to heaven (hell obviously is a different story).

      I personally don't understand as a jew how christians have taken our book, created a sequel and then claim it to be truer, better and more accurate than our own, tell us what our relationship with our god should be and in some instances have killed us because we found it idiotic.

      What it really comes down to is whether you believe there is a possibility of live and let live you also follow a faith that is particularly against that such thing because of the "my way or the highway mentality" but that's how most religions operate. I think there might be some religions out there that are fine with agreeing to disagree but it also includes the idea that just because you can agree to disagree doesn't mean that you accept their disagreement as valid.

      February 2, 2012 at 3:16 pm |
    • DamianKnight

      @Jew!,

      Sorry about that. Chuckles is the handle of a guy who has been on here and is a very well-spoken, logical, intelligent poster. I enjoy talking to him. Thought you might be him using a different handle (he also happens to be Jewish, although just by culture. He's not practicing.) so please forgive me for the mistake.

      I think your point of view is valid about not denigrating people. I also think there's a way to challenge someone's beliefs without making a mockery of it. And I appreciate that you have done that and, likewise, I will attempt to be respectful of your belief systems as well.

      The New Testament says, "No one comes to the Father except through me." A matter of splitting hairs, but Jesus doesn't say anything about Heaven. Just come to the Father. What does that mean? It's a matter of interpretation. I am confident that Jesus was who He said He was. But I cannot confidently say who is going to Heaven, because I am not God and am not a fair judge. So instead, I just do what Jesus commanded. Love on people and treat them as well as I can. I'm not perfect, but I try. I think we can both agree, that our religions teach that we should love people and treat them well. Let God do His job, and I'll do mine.

      I can certainly understand how, as a Jew, you have certain issues with the Christian doctrine, considering it literally takes so much from the Jewish faith. I think the Jews are and were God's chosen people. The Bible is QUITE clear about that. It's why I think the Jews have experienced so much turmoil in their history. If we look at it from Satan's perspective, what is the best way to hurt God? Hurt His chosen people. From a spiritual perspective, is it any wonder why Jews have faced so much persecution and hateful acts against them?

      The Bible teaches that Jesus came for the whole world. God was no longer the God for just the Jews, but the God for everyone. I don't think the Old Testatment is any "less true" than the New Testament. I think both are equally valid and equally important. The Old Testament describes what was going on before the arrival of Jesus, whereas the New Testament describes what happened after.

      What it really comes down to is whether you believe there is a possibility of live and let live you also follow a faith that is particularly against that such thing because of the "my way or the highway mentality" but that's how most religions operate. I think there might be some religions out there that are fine with agreeing to disagree but it also includes the idea that just because you can agree to disagree doesn't mean that you accept their disagreement as valid.

      It all essentially comes down to, "Was Jesus the Messiah that was foretold by the prophets or not?" If He wasn't, then He deserved everything He got for being a heretic and a blasphemer and under the law of the time, He deserved to be crucified. If He was the Messiah, then what He preached is true. And where the rubber meets the road, at least as far as Judism and Christianity are concerned, is which side of that do you fall on?

      However, if you fall on the Christian side, then you are obligated to follow the teachings of Christ and that includes acting with humility and not smacking someone upside the head with a Bible yelling, "REPENT SINNER!" 🙂

      February 2, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
  15. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    February 2, 2012 at 6:39 am |
    • Nope

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.

      February 2, 2012 at 8:11 am |
    • lunchbreaker

      Not that I actually expect a reply, but exactly what "other living things" does your name refer to. I would some how doubt you could make a case for animals as athiests tend to hold "other living things" with higher regard than religious folk who think they are special and have dominion over the animals as your Bible says. If you were just refering to adult humans as the "other things", why not just say people. Unless your argument is so weak you resort to using children as some sort of emotional black mail. But I digress, so the "other living things"?

      February 2, 2012 at 8:47 am |
    • JA

      As a christian, I do believe prayer changes things. I know, I have seen it with my own eyes. But to say atheism is not healthy, that's just a rude statement. All this person is trying to do is get attention and stir up commotion. Obviously if this person was here long enough on the blogs, they would learn that most atheists here wont change their mind. Just let it go.

      February 2, 2012 at 9:24 am |
    • NickZadick

      @ JA – Well atheist believe in science and reality while you as a Christian believe in old fables and fairy tales written by who knows who... I find it more reasonable that christians come to their senses and realize they put faith in fiction than atheists dropping science and switching to myth... christians seem to think that they have a fair comparison to atheists but I think this is not so... We readilly admit we DON'T KNOW how we came about and are ready to explore new scientific theories in the matter.... while you claim to know EXACTLY all about our exsistence because 2000 year old dead strangers wrote it down...

      February 2, 2012 at 1:04 pm |
    • just sayin

      God gave science to mankind, it is not a choice between God and science. The choice is between good and evil

      February 2, 2012 at 4:55 pm |
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