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Mrs Obama urges faith based groups to join healthy eating campaign
February 11th, 2012
05:13 PM ET

Mrs Obama urges faith based groups to join healthy eating campaign

By Alexander Mooney, CNN

(CNN)–First Lady Michelle Obama made a stop at the Northland Church in Florida Saturday, bringing her healthy-eating campaign to a crowd that included religious organizations affiliated with a broad swath of faiths and congregations.

In her remarks at the Central Florida evangelical mega-church where Joel Hunter serves as pastor, the first lady made the case that religious organizations can be natural partners in her efforts to combat childhood obesity.

“Our faith communities don’t tend only to folks’ spiritual health but to their emotional and their physical health as well,” she said. “Think for a moment about the scripture that tells us that your bodies are temples given to you by God. That is a core teaching of so many of our faiths — a teaching that calls us to honor and nourish the bodies we’ve been blessed with, and to help others do the same.”

Read the full story from CNN's 1600 Report

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Belief • Christianity • Church • Church and state • Evangelical • Faith Now

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  5. Meh

    I prefer to choke down gallon jugs of lard covered in pork rinds. Soon I will get my own zero interest, zero down, zero a month condo right on up the street from the pearly gates. All with an unlimited gym membership and daily free lunch buffet on the beach.

    February 15, 2012 at 10:53 pm |
  6. Keith

    She would have more credibility if her ass wasn't as big as a Buick.

    February 14, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
    • Desmond

      Yeah, but religious folk don't seem to discredit what fat-assed people say about anything, fatness and diet included. Just look at how far the Pope and those other priests in dresses and even Jimmy Swaggart got with their flocks and their crazy stories, even telling people not to be slothful, and those guys are all pretty seriously obese.

      February 14, 2012 at 7:19 pm |
    • AGuest9

      One has to do with the other, how? C. Everett Koop used to smoke on every break at his office on Fishers Lane every weekday. That didn't nullify the warning label on every cigarette pack.

      February 14, 2012 at 11:28 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      I have not read Think and Grow Rich in its entirety, but it is just another "focus, plan and you can have it all" "bible." Nothing wrong with that but it needlessly drags in a supernatural component. Once again, there are no gods, not even just one, or more correctly, the probability of there being any god is so small (virtually zero) that to say there are no gods is hardly an exaggeration. So, and again, until you prove the supernatural, you lose.

      February 15, 2012 at 10:48 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      My what has the natural big behind of most African women to do with their diet? Listen to her or don't but don't criticise her for something Jay-lo will only dream of having.

      February 15, 2012 at 3:46 pm |
  7. HotAirAce

    Sorry Nii, you failed...

    You claimed you have proof of (some) god, but for all the reasons given above, you have nothing. You are a loser.

    February 13, 2012 at 10:16 pm |
    • Nii Croffie

      Hahaha... so now you r going for the draw! Unfortunately this is one of the reasons I'm not an atheist. You guys are like JWs. You cannot convince anyone intelligent of the truth of your religion . I LOVE YOU AS MYSELF.

      February 14, 2012 at 1:19 am |
    • HotAirAce

      Nii, it is becoming obvious that at least part of the reason you write heaps of drivel is because you cannot read and comprehend, or follow logic. But I will try one more time...

      You claimed repeatedly to have proof of your god. When asked to disclose claimed proof, you came up with nothing – zip, nada, not a thing, nothing more that what religious charlatans have been pushing for 2000+ years. If you hade merely stuck to "I have faith, I believe!" and not claimed that you had proof, *you* might have earned a draw, but *you* went at least a step further, came up way short – so *you* lose, and *you* are a *loser*.

      February 14, 2012 at 3:59 pm |
    • Nii Croffie

      You really do blow hot air don't u? Now get down to the bookstore, buy your THINK AND GROW RICH, read and start practising. You think words are enough? Scientists die infecting themselves with diseases so they may get vac ci nes. Fear is not an option in the pursuit of knowledge.

      February 15, 2012 at 4:39 am |
    • HotAirAce

      Sorry – the above was meant to be here...

      I have not read Think and Grow Rich in its entirety, but it is just another "focus, plan and you can have it all" "bible." Nothing wrong with that but it needlessly drags in a supernatural component. Once again, there are no gods, not even just one, or more correctly, the probability of there being any god is so small (virtually zero) that to say there are no gods is hardly an exaggeration. So, and again, until you prove the supernatural, you lose.

      February 15, 2012 at 10:50 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      This is where u lose. U call something supernatural so you won't try it out. However you want the supernatural to manifest in the natural for you to believe. Keep them separate then but remember you want it that way. I do not do my things that way hence I have a tangible God. I have faith not fear.

      February 15, 2012 at 2:46 pm |
    • Nii Croffie

      I don't see y u'll even ask me 2 prove there is God n run 2 hide from proof. As I said in de natural no honest scientist will tell u he has proof of no God. If you r afraid 2 use Napoleon Hill's book then I don't think u r brave about the Bible either. Christophobia is a disease not Christianity.

      February 15, 2012 at 2:57 pm |
    • Nii Croffie

      The Man U prophesy is so sharp that my friend hasn't talked to me ever since believing me to be a witch at least. In all instances there was some passion that made me speak out. I had these exp erie nces b4 I read Hill's book mind you. It only confirmed my su spi cions.

      February 15, 2012 at 3:09 pm |
  8. Christians are not allowed near children and other living things

    Christians molest your children, keep your children away from them!

    February 13, 2012 at 5:37 pm |
  9. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things
    Proven

    February 13, 2012 at 10:51 am |
    • Nope

      Not Proven – The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs."""""`~~~~

      February 13, 2012 at 10:53 am |
    • nope

      nope

      February 13, 2012 at 12:40 pm |
    • sayeth me

      STHU already.

      February 13, 2012 at 12:43 pm |
    • What's Cookin'

      Puree for whirled peas!

      February 13, 2012 at 1:38 pm |
    • Yup

      "nope

      nope"

      More desperation from the xtians. LMAO!

      February 13, 2012 at 5:36 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Not a chance.

      February 13, 2012 at 7:23 pm |
    • Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

      Prayer changes things
      Powerful

      February 13, 2012 at 7:49 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Sure it is. Why don't you pray that I won't write another post, dumbazz?

      February 13, 2012 at 8:10 pm |
  10. Doc Vestibule

    A recent study tracked the Body Mass Index and religious habits of 2,433 young men and women for 18 years in Chicago, Minneapolis, Birmingham, Ala., and Oakland, Calif.
    It found that young adults who frequently attend religious activities are 50 percent more likely to become obese by middle age compared with those who don’t take part in any religious events.

    Though correlation doesn't necessarily connote causation, it is interesting to note that 9 of the 10 most religious states in the US, as revealed by a 2008 Gallup poll of more than 355,000 adults in the U.S. regarding the importance of religion in their lives, are also on the CDC's list of the 10 fattest states.

    February 13, 2012 at 10:10 am |
    • momoya

      Thanks, Doc. Good and interesting study.

      February 13, 2012 at 12:24 pm |
    • Prayer for the country

      God keep our land
      Prayer borrowed from the Canadian national anthem

      February 13, 2012 at 2:53 pm |
    • derp

      That's because when they get fat, they pray to lose weight. Non religious people go on a diet.

      February 13, 2012 at 4:53 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I wonder how much Heaven Sent weighs.

      February 13, 2012 at 7:24 pm |
  11. Reality

    Only for the newbies:

    Romney believes that the horn-blowing angel Moroni appeared to the con artist Joe Smith. Not good for someone who wants to be president of any group !!!

    Obama (and his wife) "mouths" that he (and his wife) is Christian i.e. believes in gay Gabriel and war-mongering Michael the Archangel and Satan. BO's support of abortion however vitiates has Christianity as he is the leader of the Immoral Majority who are now the largest voting block in the country. Immoral Majority you ask??

    The 78 million voting "mothers and fathers" of aborted womb babies !!! (2012 -1973 Rowe vs. Wade = 39 years.

    39 years x 2 million/yr = 78 million. Abortion rate in the USA as per the CDC is one million/yr.

    And the presidential popular vote in 2008? 69,456,897 for pro-abortion/choice BO, 59,934,814 for "pro-life" JM. The population of the Immoral Majority in 2008? ~ 70 million !!!!!!

    February 13, 2012 at 8:09 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      Voodoo statistics as usual, Mr REALITY?

      February 13, 2012 at 8:44 am |
    • Reality

      "Facts on Contraceptive Use

      http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_contr_use.html
      January 2008

      "WHO NEEDS CONTRACEPTIVES?

      • 62 million U.S. women (and men?) are in their childbearing years (15–44).[1]

      • 43 million women (and men) of reproductive age, or 7 in 10, are se-xually active and do not want to become pregnant, but could become pregnant if they or their partners fail to use a con-traceptive method.[2]

      • The typical U.S. woman (man?) wants only 2 children. To achieve this goal, she (he?) must use cont-raceptives for roughly 3 decades.[3]

      WHO USES CON-TRACEPTIVES?

      • Virtually all women (98%) aged 15–44 who have ever had int-ercourse have used at least one con-traceptive method.[2](and men?)

      • Overall, 62% of the 62 million women aged 15–44 are currently using one.[2] (and men)

      • 31% of the 62 million women (and men?) do not need a method because they are infertile; are pregnant, postpartum or trying to become pregnant; have never had inte-rcourse; or are not se-xually active.[2]

      • Thus, only 7% of women aged 15–44 are at risk of unwanted pregnancy but are not using con-traceptives.[2] (and men?)

      • Among the 42 million fertile, s-exually active women who do not want to become pregnant, 89% are practicing con-traception.[2] (and men?)

      WHICH METHODS DO WOMEN (men?) USE?

      • 64% of reproductive-age women who practice con-traception use reversible methods, such as oral con-traceptives or condoms. The remaining women rely on female or male sterilization.[2]

      FIRST-YEAR CON-TRACEPTIVE FAILURE RATES

      Percentage of women (men?) experiencing an unintended pregnancy (a few examples)

      Method……………..Typical

      Pill (combined)……… 8.7
      Tubal sterilization ……0.7
      Male condom ……….17.4
      Vasectomy…………… 0.2

      Periodic abstinence.. 25.3 (RCC approved)
      Calendar 9.0 (RCC approved)
      Ovulation Method 3.0 (RCC approved)
      Sympto-thermal 2.0 (RCC approved)
      Post-ovulation 1.0 (RCC approved)

      No method 85.0" (RCC approved and important to women and men wanting to get pregnant)

      (Abstinence) 0 (RCC approved)

      (Masturbation) 0

      More facts about contraceptives from

      guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_contr_use.html

      "CON-TRACEPTIVE METHOD CHOICE

      Cont-raceptive method use among U.S. women who practice con-traception, 2002

      Method No. of users (in 000s) % of users
      Pill………….. 11,661……………. 30.6
      Male condom 6,841……………… 18.0 "

      i.e.
      The pill fails to protect women 8.7% during the first year of use (from the same reference previously shown).

      i.e. 0.087 (failure rate)
      x 62 million (# child bearing women)
      x 0.62 ( % of these women using contraception )
      x 0.306 ( % of these using the pill) =

      1,020,000 unplanned pregnancies
      during the first year of pill use.

      For male condoms (failure rate of 17.4 and 18% use level)

      1,200,000 unplanned pregnancies during the first year of male condom use.

      The Gut-tmacher Inst-itute (same reference) notes also that the perfect use of the pill should result in a 0.3% failure rate
      (35,000 unplanned pregnancies) and for the male condom, a 2% failure rate (138,000 unplanned pregnancies).

      o Conclusion: The failures of the widely used birth "control" methods i.e. the pill and male condom have led to the large rate of abortions and S-TDs in the USA. Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the pill or condoms properly and/or use other methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs.

      February 14, 2012 at 8:35 am |
  12. Fanny B Tender

    Ms Obama needs to SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP!

    February 13, 2012 at 7:58 am |
    • AGuest9

      Like every southern baptist wife who gets dragged around by the hair with her mouth shut, popping out children whenever her husband demands it because "the good book says so"? I guess it proves that she has a brain. You conservatives can't deal with a woman with a brain, can you?

      February 13, 2012 at 9:45 am |
    • HawaiiGuest

      @AGuest9

      So that's why Palin is a Tea Party favorite.

      February 13, 2012 at 4:13 pm |
    • AGuest9

      So true, HawaiiGuest.

      February 13, 2012 at 8:18 pm |
  13. Nii Croffie

    Mirosal an eternal being is omniscient because it sees time in infinite terms. Hence the difference between the beginning and end of an event is non-existent. However the occurence and foreknowledge of the outcome can be changed by variances in de finite time. This is what God responds to-variables

    February 13, 2012 at 7:09 am |
    • bigot

      and you KNOW this HOW?

      February 13, 2012 at 10:46 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      A thousand years are but one day in thy sight and a day but a thousand years- King David, the Psalms.
      Time is amorphous when a person is experiencing God in a prophesy. It seems there is no present, past or future.

      February 13, 2012 at 1:24 pm |
  14. VanHagar

    So Tom, your not interested in personal testimony? As a believer I could point to countless answered prayers...you will always chalk it up to coincidence? Fine. I guarantee you believers have more coincidence in their lives that you could possibly imagine.

    February 12, 2012 at 11:58 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I don't know whom you're addressing here, but I have no interest in 'personal testimony' from someone who doesn't quite grasp how apostrophes are used.

      Nor does 'personal testimony' equal proof. I can tell you that I'm Queen Elizabeth on here. Do you put much stock in that? No? Then try to comprehend the fact that your belief and 'personal testimony' means squat as far as proof is concerned.

      February 13, 2012 at 6:57 pm |
    • Nii Croffie

      Tomboy or Tom Tom, why is it that you never read the threads? It seems you do not respond on point. Read and comprehend, ok? This part has been discussed already.

      February 13, 2012 at 8:13 pm |
    • Nii Croffie

      Stupidity? Hmm, I will call ur behavior that! Maybe you cud enhance your image with a little decorum.

      February 13, 2012 at 8:16 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Bite me, Nii.

      February 14, 2012 at 9:49 am |
  15. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things,

    February 12, 2012 at 5:40 pm |
    • Karen

      Prove it. Present even one verifiable case.

      February 12, 2012 at 6:21 pm |
    • just sayin

      George Frederick Muller.
      John Newton
      William Wilberforce
      Martin Luther King Jr.
      Billy Graham
      Men of prayer who acted on prayer and changed the world.

      February 12, 2012 at 7:31 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Oh, please. Could you be more lame?

      There's no evidence that prayer was the causative element in their achievements.

      February 12, 2012 at 8:43 pm |
    • AGuest9

      Keep lying to yourself.

      February 12, 2012 at 10:15 pm |
    • Nii Croffie

      In science personal testimony is evidence as well as the testimony of countless men of faith some of whom are listed above. Those up there prayed unless you have not read their biographies. What science has no evidence against scientists do not discount either. We then go to effects. Faith is good.

      February 13, 2012 at 2:07 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      And then there was Godpot! As I told you before I have been a student of the Bible and made studies in the theology of various religions including atheism and agnosticism. Have you forgotten so soon? I thought you were brighter than that! As to how I asked Him to prove, I told u I have prophesied b4

      February 13, 2012 at 3:01 am |
    • just sayin

      Since only one was asked for and it wasn't tom tom asking, the question was answered. And yes all those cited gave personal testimony to prayer changing their lives. Check them out, tom tom you will look ever so much less stupid in your response when you do.

      February 13, 2012 at 6:52 am |
    • Mirosal

      but. by your own scriptures, this 'god' of yours is supposed to be omniscient. Knows all, past present and future. So if that IS the case, the outcome is already known, thereby rendering prayer moot. The game is already rigged, and you're still placing bets on it.

      February 13, 2012 at 6:56 am |
    • just sayin

      Mirosal since you admit to not knowing God, you do not know or understand His character. As such you really do not have a clue as to what you are talking about with the attributes of God. Get to know God then you will understand omniscience applied by God. 1 Corinthians 13:11

      February 13, 2012 at 7:03 am |
    • Mirosal

      Little boy, I know full well about your 'god' I spent over a decade trapped within the confines of a religious education, with your little 'holy book' being the only thing encouraged to read. And we were tested repeatedly as to its contents. I do not fear your deity. I have no belief in it either.

      February 13, 2012 at 7:08 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      Mirosal which religious school prevented your education in other subjects like that. Please specify level and type because you are making me jealous.

      February 13, 2012 at 7:17 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      Now HotAirAce if your banker or doctors started prophesying instead of predicting you will run away faster than u can say,'Yikes'.

      February 13, 2012 at 7:24 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      just lyin', do you ever get tired of being so ignorant? Do you think what someone says is 'proof' of something? If that were the case, there'd be no need for trials or courts. Everyone who committed a crime could say he didn't and that would be proof of innocence.

      Now, get off your bum and find real proof. Not what somebody says he "believes" happened because he prayed. Go ahead. I can wait.

      February 13, 2012 at 10:27 am |
    • Nope

      *The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs."""""`~~~~~

      February 13, 2012 at 10:29 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Here you go, crack monkey: Today I found a baby unicorn in my front yard. When I walked over to it, I was overcome with a sense of peace and joy. I felt calm and confident of my mission in life. I knew I could heal amputees and cure cancer.

      You're a muttonhead.

      February 13, 2012 at 10:31 am |
    • just sayin

      Two serious prayer requests between the asking and the receiving. Great progress is being made as God increases mans knowledge in both those areas.

      February 13, 2012 at 10:48 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      More ridiculous blather from the lying one. You have no proof that any prayer has ever accomplished a thing, nor can you prove there's any 'being' on the receiving end of one.

      What cracks me up about you, little crack monkey, is that you think you'll make any headway by your silly answers. You won't. The fact is that prayer and belief are acts of faith, not fact. You cannot prove prayer works or that a god exists with data. That you keep attempting to pretend you can speaks to your very lack of faith-you simply cannot acknowledge that there is no proof.

      Fearful, terrified little twerp, stop acting as though proof is necessary or even possible and realize that if you were really a faithful believer, you'd say that very thing.

      February 13, 2012 at 11:12 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      When I see emotionally immature behaviour like u r exhibiting it almost always comes from a religious man confronted with his prejudice. Open ur mind. Read and practise the Bible's teaching or as I said there are secular books like THINK AND GROW RICH for u.

      February 13, 2012 at 1:29 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You are assuming I am male. And no, I don't buy your excuse in claiming that you are using a generic for "person". If that were the case, moron, you'd have WRITTEN "person". Your posts are so full of nonsense they're not even intelligible and they're barely literate. Get a clue, Nii, you're not even close to being articulate.

      February 13, 2012 at 7:45 pm |
    • Nii Croffie

      Hah! Find something concrete to say! I am an African so what? If you can't speak without insults and aspertions being cast then that is your problem. Your comprehension skills are not my problem either. Maybe a course in British English would help you.

      February 13, 2012 at 7:58 pm |
    • Nii Croffie

      While at it, some manners will do too! lol

      February 13, 2012 at 8:00 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      The fact that you're a Brit is no excuse for your stupidity.

      February 13, 2012 at 8:11 pm |
    • Nii Croffie

      Takes one to know one! lol

      February 13, 2012 at 8:19 pm |
    • Nii Croffie

      Yes, the principal symptom of spiritual blindness! lol.
      To understand the sciences u need the open mind which faith provides.
      The Bible and applied sciences require faith and love.

      February 15, 2012 at 4:47 am |
  16. Professor Cornell West

    My brothers and sisters, stop fryin' your damn food!! Can you dig it?

    February 12, 2012 at 5:31 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      Nii, I have looked and found not a shred of evidence. My claim is every bit as valid as yours. You claim you have proof – time for you to put up or shutup. Here's your chance to make history – be the first to proof the existence of a supernatural being, or join the long list of pretenders. The choice is yours...

      February 13, 2012 at 2:56 am |
    • HotAirAce

      Oooooops! Wrong spot! Fixed below.

      February 13, 2012 at 2:59 am |
  17. Prayer is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer takes people away from actually working on real solutions to their problems.
    Prayer prevents you from getting badly needed exercise.
    Prayer makes you fat.
    Prayer makes you hoard cats.
    Prayer makes you smell like shitty kitty litter and leads you on to harder drugs.
    Prayer wears out your clothes prematurely.
    Prayer contributes to global warming through excess CO2 emissions.
    Prayer fucks up your knees and your neck and your back.
    Prayer can cause heart attacks, especially among the elderly.
    Prayer reveals how stupid you are to the world.
    Prayer exposes your backside to pervert priests.
    Prayer makes you think doilies are exciting.
    Prayer makes your kids avoid spending time with you.
    Prayer makes you frothy like Rick Santorum. Just google him to find out.
    Prayer dulls your senses.
    Prayer makes you post really stupid shit.
    Prayer wastes time.

    February 12, 2012 at 4:18 pm |
    • Nii Croffie

      Tom I was talking about the Ob am as being an ex ample of Christian spirit uality. Why weren't u reading the thread? When you talked of morality I said it was not religious Didn't that also ring a bell? I have been developing the theme of spir itua lity. Did u not notice. Don't badmouth me.

      February 12, 2012 at 4:56 pm |
    • Nii Croffie

      TruthPrevails a wise Ghanin poet remarked thus,"Even Jesus was crucified, how much more a mere minister"?

      February 12, 2012 at 5:01 pm |
    • Nii Croffie

      I don't just believe I know God is. I asked Him to prove He is and He did. Why don't u try too? Sign the Covenant. If He does not back out. However remember that a spiritual Christian is not necessarily a religious Christian. The difference is faith working by love.

      February 12, 2012 at 6:07 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You don't "know" anything of the sort. You believe. That's fine for you, but it isn't proof of anything whatsoever. And you have done nothing but maunder on about generalities and platetudes.

      February 12, 2012 at 8:45 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      edit: plat it udes. (Hate autocorrect)

      February 12, 2012 at 10:35 pm |
    • Nii Croffie

      What proof do you want me to offer? I do not do legal arguments anymore. I won that round. If you will be more scientific and become a spiritual person even a spiritual Christian then you can prove and disprove it yourself. It does not take a bn dollar lab, just you.

      February 13, 2012 at 1:49 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      Napoleon Hill's book THINK AND GROW RICH can help an unbeliever without necessarily jumping ship. Feel free to read that if you are hostile to the Bible.

      February 13, 2012 at 2:17 am |
    • HotAirAce

      Nii, where's this winning proof of the existence of your, or any, god? I must have missed this historic event in the mounds of drivel you post.

      February 13, 2012 at 2:40 am |
    • GodPot

      "I don't just believe I know God is. I asked Him to prove He is and He did."

      I can just imagine Nii sitting there in his dented 90's Ford Festiva praying to heaven "God, if you are real just show me..." (silence) "Ok, God, I really really want to believe in you so i'll ask again, prove to me you are real..." (silence) "Ok God, this is it, I know the preacher said i'm not supposed to test you or anything, but if you are real make the next person coming out of the Circle K blonde!" ...(doors open) ... "Oh my God you are real!!, oh my God oh my God oh my God, I so have to get to a pay phone and call mamma!! I mean I thought it and then it happened, clear as day, definitely a blonde, I mean i'm pretty sure it was dyed but God knew what I meant..."

      February 13, 2012 at 2:49 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      My God needs proving to you? Well thats a laugh! And how is He to do that when you are not looking? Even your elementary school teacher wanted your attention to teach you! Alas how can a mocker say he is looking? Yours is to scoff and offer legalistic logic. I don't believe I know!

      February 13, 2012 at 2:49 am |
    • HotAirAce

      Nii, I have looked and found not a shred of evidence. My claim is every bit as valid as yours. You claim you have proof – time for you to put up or shutup. Here's your chance to make history – be the first to proof the existence of a supernatural being, or join the long list of pretenders. The choice is yours, but I'm betting you are just another pretender...

      February 13, 2012 at 2:58 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      Godpot I have alreaady told you that I studied the Bible as well s the theologies of various religions including atheism and agnosticism. Don't you remember? I also told you I have prophesied before, didn't I? Well I do not forget as easily as you do!

      February 13, 2012 at 3:07 am |
    • HotAirAce

      Many have prophesized, few, if any, have been unambiguously correct. What did you prophesize, what is your proof that you were right and how would anyone know it wasn't just random chance?

      February 13, 2012 at 3:12 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      HotAirAce I will also like you to offer me proof that you were a spiritual rather than just a religious Christian in proving the existence of God. Science does not deal with de sixth sense so how am I going to prove without you being able to percieve with your sixth sense. Note it exists as the EQ.

      February 13, 2012 at 3:13 am |
    • Mirosal

      Studying the bible, and other mytholo .. oops theologies, does not prove the existence of anything. It just means you have too much time on your hands. As far as prophecies go, they do that on Wall Street all the time. To know the future, one must study the past. Of the thousands upon thousands of 'gods' throughout human history, not a single one has been shown to have ever existed. Yours is no different, just one of the thousands. And as with the case of all gods before, yours will fade away in time as well. Just saying "He is" .. is not proof. Billions who believe does not make it "proof". Billions before have thought the earth was flat, too. Even your little 'holy book' is NOT evidence, for its source cannot be verified. It does not meet the established rules of evidence for any court.

      February 13, 2012 at 3:15 am |
    • Mirosal

      Does one NEED a "sixth sense" to verify the existence of a god?

      February 13, 2012 at 3:17 am |
    • HotAirAce

      Nii, all you have to do, in clear English, is explain how you know any god exists and provide a clear description of how others, following your instructions, can observe what you claim. If objective persons can repeatedly follow your process, you win the debate. If you cannot disclose / describe your process and results, or if others cannot repeat / verify them, you lose. I think you are a loser.

      February 13, 2012 at 3:20 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      Read the thread HotAirAce! The proof is read the Bible and/or THINK AND GROW RICH and practise their teaching if it works then you have proof. Thats how I came by mine.

      February 13, 2012 at 4:10 am |
    • Mirosal

      Reading the bible to prove there's a god is like reading a Tom Clancy novel to prove Jack Ryan IS the President of the United States.

      February 13, 2012 at 4:24 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      Read and PRACTISE. Read and Practise, Mirosal. If you have not done this why bother to challenge me?

      February 13, 2012 at 5:39 am |
    • Mirosal

      I've read your bible. It was crammed down my throat for over a decade in religious "school". I know what it says. I'm not impressed. I've also read many, many myths of the ancient societies. Cute stories. Your bible is just another story about a 'god', much like Zeus, or Odin, or Osiris. The first chapter of the first book in your buybull is wrong, it's out of sequence and not possible by any means of the imagination. If the first chapter is wrong, and it's supposed to follow from that first chapter in some order, then the rest is wrong too, because you're working with a flawed pretext from the start.

      February 13, 2012 at 5:49 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      I had to read and practise Chemistry to believe it. if you want scientific proof that's what you do. Not disputing legalities. I can discount a lot of scientific theories in court. Just ask a lawyer.

      February 13, 2012 at 5:49 am |
    • Mirosal

      Out of sheer curiosity, what scientific theories can you disprove based on a court's rules of evidence?

      February 13, 2012 at 5:50 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      The existence of the atom

      February 13, 2012 at 5:56 am |
    • Mirosal

      if atoms didn't exist, how would you explain fission, fusion, and the work done at the Haldrom Collider? Or the electron (part of an atom) microscope, and hasn't that been used to take pictures of atoms?

      February 13, 2012 at 6:01 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      If you want to prove atoms exist just read on atomic theory. The holes are too many to count. As for the facility you are talking about it is one of the proofs. Now I leave you to read Chemistry and Physics till u r old nd grey

      February 13, 2012 at 6:22 am |
    • Mirosal

      So by disproving the existence of atoms, you disprove matter exists. Ok then, just what makes up matter? "god's will"?

      February 13, 2012 at 6:26 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      No! there is something infinitely smller of which matter consists of but we have not discovered yet. However matter by definition is a fact as it is discernible by our five rational senses...

      February 13, 2012 at 6:43 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      No! there is something infinitely smaller of which matter consists of but we have not discovered yet. However matter by definition is a fact as it is discernible by our five rational senses...

      February 13, 2012 at 6:45 am |

    • "Ok then, just what makes up matter? " Information, ultimately.

      February 13, 2012 at 6:48 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      Science accepts its limitations. Do u? The sixth sense or EQ can be developed and by it God can be percieved. Try it.

      February 13, 2012 at 6:54 am |
    • Curious

      What is EQ?

      February 13, 2012 at 7:54 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      Curious EQ is emotional quotient-your ability to make correct decisions and influence others through management of your emotions.

      February 13, 2012 at 8:08 am |
    • AGuest9

      An STM would take care of THAT disbelief. Funny how the computer you are using works, since you doubt the existence of the basic building blocks of matter and energy, but believe in some mythical creature.

      February 13, 2012 at 9:52 am |
    • AGuest9

      Science doesn't accept "its limitations.". Researchers make note of them, then push beyond them. Scientists don't blindly accept dogma as fact.

      February 13, 2012 at 9:55 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Nii, I wish you'd "PRACTICE" spelling.

      February 13, 2012 at 10:35 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      The "Atoms are the basic building blocks of matter statement" is for beginners just like 1 plus 1 equals two. We are currently looking for smaller and more basic particles which might be causing atomic behaviour in some matter but not in some.

      February 13, 2012 at 12:47 pm |
    • Nii Croffie

      Tom u shud know by now that I will not change my SMS shorthand. If u can't read it I'm sorry but I'm sure there r people who can. You don't pay my internet charges nor do u pay my wages. U can see a younger fellow for help.

      February 13, 2012 at 1:07 pm |
    • Nii Croffie

      The emotionally immature tirades you are launching is typical of a religious person confronted by what he does not understand. Spiritual enlightenment can only help you, Tom! Don't close your eyes and ears and your mind too.

      February 13, 2012 at 1:18 pm |
    • GodPot

      ""Ok then, just what makes up matter? " Information, ultimately."

      And using that definition and the obvious lack of information Nii seems to be espousing, it proves Nii does not matter.

      "No! there is something infinitely smller of which matter consists of but we have not discovered yet." So why couldn't we call that infinitly smaller "something" that makes up matter an "atom"? And were back to your silly sixth sense crap. And if you want to define our comphrension skills as other senses why stop at six? My one hundred and thirty seventh sense stops your six sense into the ground!!! Did you feel it just now? A slight warbling in your sixth sense force field? No? Better check it again because i'm going to send another barrage... "pew pew"...

      February 13, 2012 at 1:35 pm |
    • Nii Croffie

      An eg of prophesy was de English FA Cup Semi-Final b/n Man U n Portsmouth I think 2008. I was angered by what a Man U fan said 2 me n I told him this 1) Van der Saar injured 2) replaced by Kuschack 3) Kuschack fouls a Portsmouth man n gets red card replaced by Ferdinand 4)Muntari scores only goal.

      February 13, 2012 at 1:43 pm |
    • GodPot

      "The "Atoms are the basic building blocks of matter statement" is for beginners just like 1 plus 1 equals two."

      Right, it's a starting point that does not give all available math equations but is in fact true. You are attempting to say that we should throw away everything we do know about matter because we don't know everything about it yet which is just the sort of position a lazy religious zealot would take. The path of least resistance or work, the "it's to hard to answer so i'll just write in 'God did it' on the test." We would still be cowering on the shores of Europe afraid to sail for fear we would fall off the earth if we had continued to listen to wisdom like yours.

      February 13, 2012 at 1:44 pm |
    • Nii Croffie

      Godpot no scientist will ask u to throw away what u know. We use it to find out more and in the process disprove even the basics. 1 plus 1 equals 2 is ok for counting numbers and natural numbers. It is not true for integers and complex numbers.

      February 13, 2012 at 1:48 pm |
    • Nii Croffie

      Neither will any scientist ask a believer to throw away his faith. This is because unlike what Communist propaganda preaches it enhances human health when practised spiritually. What they know about the sixth sense we've not yet started to write on.

      February 13, 2012 at 1:52 pm |
    • TruthPrevails

      "We use it to "

      You are not a scientist idiot, so don't even count yourself alongside those minds...they are far smarter than you could wish to be. Science and religion are not equal...science is far more superior!

      February 13, 2012 at 1:52 pm |
    • Nii Croffie

      Typical Empiricist/Skeptic nonsense. If science is superior then those who believe science will be the superior religion. Hence Atheism and Agnosticism is the best for all humanity. Wrong. You want me to lie for your religion but I won't. Go to China for that.

      February 13, 2012 at 2:20 pm |
    • GodPot

      "It is not true for integers and complex numbers."

      Wrong. 1 + 1 = 2 is always correct because it is an understanding of a simple mathmatical concept. It's also true that changing the equation to 1 +1 X can change the answer from two to almost anything, but that is just "adding" complexity, not changing the original concept. Now I will grant you that science has made discoveries that did change their original concepts which is a testement to their validity unlike religion which fights tooth and nail to hold onto outdated and useless concepts and traditions never admitting they just might be wrong.

      February 13, 2012 at 2:24 pm |
    • Brad

      "Science and religion are not equal...science is far more superior!" That is a bit like saying a microscope is superior to a C-compiler. Different tools for different jobs.

      February 13, 2012 at 2:30 pm |
    • Nii Croffie

      Godpot complex numbers are not equations. Secondly I wish you will understand this basic concept. Atheism is not scientific. It is a religion which maybe believes science is true in totality like de RC Pope. Your definition of religion is true of atheism n that is why I am not an atheist.

      February 13, 2012 at 2:47 pm |
    • Nii Croffie

      Godpot this is the ans to the atom concept
      Some matter exhibit atomic BEHAVIOUR some don't.
      We are looking for smaller enti ties responsible for ALL behaviour of matter now. Reposted

      February 13, 2012 at 2:59 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      First off, Nii, you ninny, I'm not a man. Second, I am not religious.

      Wanna try for three in a row?

      February 13, 2012 at 3:04 pm |
    • Nii Croffie

      Generic for a human is man. I didn't write the dictionaries. What I wrote about u n ur childish behaviour holds regardless of your gender.

      February 13, 2012 at 3:29 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Yet you continue to respond as if I give a rat's behind what you believe. Your posts are nearly unintelligible, Nii, and your assertions are ridiculous in the extreme.

      February 13, 2012 at 6:59 pm |
    • Nii Croffie

      Yours believes are extreme. I do not care whether you believe mine or not? I am happy just as I am.

      February 13, 2012 at 7:42 pm |
    • Nii Croffie

      Besides I do not write for your level of understanding. If you will notice you cud not contribute much while the others built up my knowledge. if it was insults I wanted to learn Buster Rhymes is what I will go for.

      February 13, 2012 at 7:47 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      It's "beliefs", you moron, not "believes". And it's "Busta", not "Buster".

      You are writing for kindergartners.

      February 13, 2012 at 8:13 pm |
    • AGuest9

      "The 'Atoms are the basic building blocks of matter statement' is for beginners just like 1 plus 1 equals two."

      Hmmm... So, to have an atom of gold (Au), is the smallest quanti.ty of gold that I can have. If I am building a nanoscale conductor, knowing the number of up and down quarks in the nucleus are of no use to me.

      February 13, 2012 at 8:28 pm |
    • Nii Croffie

      @TOM pla ti tudes is not the only thing you need to correct.
      @AGuest9 please I answered that question above. We have proof for atomic behavior but not in all matter.

      February 13, 2012 at 8:38 pm |
    • Nii Croffie

      And Tom, I don't think he will mind as much as God will. lol

      February 13, 2012 at 8:40 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      If your 'god' minds, he can go fuck himself. And so can you, you POS.

      February 13, 2012 at 11:03 pm |
    • Nii Croffie

      I love u as myself no matter what.

      February 14, 2012 at 1:06 am |
    • AGuest9

      All I see above is your incessant ramblings.

      February 14, 2012 at 11:34 pm |
    • Nii Croffie

      Yes the primary symptom of spiritual blindness!
      Open minds don't suffer this.
      Theoretical sciences require faith.
      Applied sciences and the Bible require faith and love.

      February 15, 2012 at 4:51 am |
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