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February 21st, 2012
05:00 PM ET

Santorum and Satan - the devil is in the details

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By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Washington (CNN) - A 2008 speech by Rick Santorum at Ave Maria University is making waves this week, in large part because Santorum said Satan had his sights set on America and the country was facing spiritual warfare.

The speech came at the beginning of the academic year at the Catholic university in Florida.  At that point, the 2008 presidential campaign was in full swing.  Then-candidate Barack Obama had recently made a statement about abortion and the issue of deciding when life began, which he said was above his pay grade.

Santorum was using the devil-tinged language after explaining Obama's position on abortion.  He quoted Bishop Samuel Aquila of Fargo, North Dakota, who said at the time, “Catholics who support so-called ‘abortion rights’ support a false right, promote a culture of death and are guarded by the father of lies."

"This is not a political war at all, this is not a culture war at all, this is a spiritual war," Santorum said, according to a recording of the speech on the university's website. "And the father of lies has his sights on what you think the father of lies, Satan, would have his sights on.  A good, decent, powerful, influential country, the United States of America."

The speech gained a new life this week when it surfaced on the website Right Wing Watch and was then picked up by the Drudge Report and a host of media outlets.

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"If you were Satan, who would you attack?" the former U.S. senator asked the students.  "There's no one else to go after other than the United States, and that's been the case, for now, almost 200 years."

Santorum went on to explain how he thought the devil had attacked the United States in several areas: its foundations, academia, the Protestant Church and government.

Asked about the speech on Tuesday, Santorum offered no apologies. "I’m a person of faith. I believe in good and evil," Santorum told CNN in Arizona.

"If somehow or another because you’re a person of faith and you believe in good and evil is a disqualifier for president, we’re going to have a very small pool of candidates who can run for president," he said.

"If they want to go ahead and dig up old speeches to a religious group they can go right ahead and do so," Santorum went on. "I'm going to stay on message. I'm going to talk about the things Americans want to talk about."

In his 2008 speech, the Catholic Santorum said that Satan had relatively little success attacking the founders and the foundation of the country. But time, like an acid, wore away America's great institutions, "using those great vices of pride, vanity and sensuality as the root to attack all of the strong plants that has so deeply rooted in the American tradition," he said.

Santorum said Satan was first, and most successfully, attacked academia.  Once academia fell to pride and its own truths, he said, the Protestant Church fell next in the United States.

"We look at the shape of mainline Protestantism in this country, and it is in shambles, it is gone from the world of Christianity as I see it," he said.

From there, he turned to U.S. culture, lambasting the National Basketball Association, rock concerts and movie sets. "They are peacocks on display, and they have taken their poor behavior and made it fashionable," which he said was further evidence of spiritual warfare.

Also fallen to Satan: politics and government, he said.  Specifically, Santorum highlighted a 2004 interview with then-state Sen. Obama did with the Chicago Sun-Times.

Shortly after Obama won the Democratic primary for U.S. Senate, he sat down with Cathleen Falsani in one of the few extended interviews he has done about his faith.

"What is sin?" Falsani asked Obama.

"Being out of alignment with my values," Obama responded.

In his Ave Maria speech, Santorum seized on this point. "So now we have the first truly post-modern presidential candidate. Clearly, explicitly defining his own reality," he said.

But the reporter who conducted that interview with Obama said Santorum is mistaken.

"Mr. Santorum is conveniently ignoring the fact that was not the opening question I asked him, nor was it the only question I asked. I asked what did he believe, and he articulated his faith and prayer life," Falsani said.

"We had talked about his born-again experience. [Obama's] values are based on his historical Christian faith.  He wasn't talking about, 'whatever I feel like is right in my reality,' " she said.

Falsani said the Santorum-implied dig - that Obama has his own definition of sin outside of traditional Christianity - was wrong. "The answer came in the specific context of having just articulated his Christian faith," she said.

In response, Falsani posted the full transcript of her interview with the president on the Sojourners website, where she now works as Web editor and director of new media.

But what stirred the media and the Internet the most was the notion of all-out spiritual warfare. It made easy fodder for late-night comics.

"If Rick Santorum is the commander in chief, he will do what no other president has had the courage to do: declare war on hell,"  satirist Stephen Colbert said on "The Colbert Report" on Monday night.  "It's simple: All we have to do is take our nuclear missiles out of their silos and put them back in upside-down."

At the time of the speech, Santorum was two years' removed from political office and not running for anything.

Sources who have known Santorum for some time told CNN that this is who Santorum is. He sees the world in black and white, good versus evil, they said.

A big difference between this speech and what he had talked about publicly before, according to some who know him, is that during this time frame, he was out of office and didn't have people with political antennae around him to pull him back from such stark rhetoric.

While his speaking about the devil in a political context may be considered a candidate no-no, Stephen Schneck, a political scientist from Catholic University, says consider the crowd.

"Ave Maria is a unique place," Schneck said. "They are very orthodox in their Catholicism and conservative in their politics."

Donning the language of spiritual warfare can score points with the crowd.  "In some very conservative Catholic circles, that language resonates," he said.

"What he's saying, it's certainly not any heresy," said Father Tom Reese, a Senior Fellow at Georgetown University's Woodstock Theological Center.

"It's the language some preachers would use that conservative Catholics would be very comfortable with. Is it the kind of language theology professors at Catholic universities would use? Probably not. They would likely see it more metaphorically," he said.

"He's well within the tradition," Reese said of Santorum's talk of spiritual warfare.  Though he added,  "When he starts applying those definitions to specific politicians, those are his own judgments, not the judgment of the church."

As for the candidate today, an aide issued a one-word statement on the flap: "ridiculous."

CNN's Dana Bash and Jim Acosta contributed to this report.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Belief • Catholic Church • Politics • Rick Santorum

soundoff (1,820 Responses)
  1. Hasa Diga Eebowai

    If you believe that the creator (if there is one) of this vast universe has a nemesis who he fights over for the ghosts of pink monkeys your are certifiably crazy PERIOD.

    February 21, 2012 at 6:03 pm |
    • Purple Monkey

      HEY! Not all us monkeys are pink, ya know!

      February 21, 2012 at 10:37 pm |
    • Bert in UT

      Call me a pink monkey again and I'll throw my do-do at you!

      February 21, 2012 at 10:53 pm |
    • Hasa Diga Eebowai

      OK pink with various amounts of melanin

      February 22, 2012 at 9:06 am |
    • Carter

      yes, Satan is real but he can be defeated the the love of Christ.

      February 22, 2012 at 6:54 pm |
  2. Prayer is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer makes you frothy like Rick Santorum. Just google him to find out about his frothing rear mixing.

    February 21, 2012 at 6:01 pm |
    • anagram_kid

      Plus we have santorum surging all over the place! All that froth cannot be good for the environment.

      February 21, 2012 at 6:19 pm |
  3. Sowhat

    So now Matt Drudge says what is newsworthy for CNN? A four-year old speech about the existence of evil in America.... YAWN.

    February 21, 2012 at 6:01 pm |
    • EnjaySea

      I find this news extraordinarily timely, pertinent, and useful, because it allows me to see who this Santorum character really is.

      He's running for president of our country for Pete's sake. How is this not newsworthy? Just because some time has passed? If that's the case, the Bible isn't newsworthy either.

      February 21, 2012 at 6:19 pm |
    • CommiesArntCool

      EnjaySea – To bad we didn't find out more about our current POTUS before this Obamanation huh?

      February 21, 2012 at 9:36 pm |
    • CommiesArntCool

      I alternate between news sources and found it interesting that CNN actually had this on the front page when normally I cannot find political articles concerning Obama even buried in the site when I catch the articles on other news sources. It's just coincidental I'm sure.

      February 21, 2012 at 9:43 pm |
    • bam

      EnjaySea – To bad we didn't find out more about the true reason bush refused to take out Osama in Tora Bora aka so he wouldnt lose support to invade Iraq, injure 40,000 troops and throw our economy into a tail spin that not even his 3 stimulus checks he gave to each citizen couldnt stop..... Too bad we didnt know NO ONE was paying for those 2 wars and that China would reep ALL the benefits of Iraqi oil.... so now lets invade Iran for no reason at all since they were the WMD seekers not Saddam. 12 years Iran tried to take over Iraq and bush handed it to them by removing saddam. classic

      February 21, 2012 at 10:43 pm |
    • bam

      I alternate between news sources and found it interesting that CNN actually had this on the front page when normally I cannot find political articles concerning Obama... when I do find them they consist of fear mongering and complete nonsense compared to what bush did to this country. before bush HARMING a US Citizen was a severe no no... now we are treated like dogs... thanks bush u r a true hero.

      February 21, 2012 at 10:46 pm |
    • BADGUY

      Hey..I agree! Why go back 4 years when this idiot was repeating the same BS yesterday?

      February 26, 2012 at 1:29 pm |
  4. Mike

    Come on.....where are the issues that matter??? Nobody seems to care about seperation of church and state.....what heppened? What kind of dribble is this Catholic "conversation"?? Because it is dribble....pointless blather desguised as who the he*l knows.....whats the point?? Mindless junk. He said she said.....garbage. Grow up America. You have been dumbed down for too long and it shows.

    February 21, 2012 at 6:01 pm |
    • TheLord

      Nothing Catholic about what this biblethumper is stating buddy, you have no idea.

      February 21, 2012 at 8:54 pm |
    • bam

      and the christian taliban movement moves forward....

      February 21, 2012 at 10:47 pm |
    • BADGUY

      Hey, "this religious thing" is VERY important. The Catholic Church of today IS NOT the Catholic Church of even 30 years ago. Right Wing "cults" (like Santorum's Opus Dei) appear to now control the Catholic Church. Opus Dei is called a "Prelature" which has indendent control over it's own actions and is answerable ONLY to the Pope. It is, for all intensive purposes, a "tail wagging the dog". Rick Santorum's actions and speech appear to come out of the Opus Dei "Rules of the Road" based on what people who have left the "cult" indicate. He and his "cult" are a menace to the United States.

      February 26, 2012 at 1:34 pm |
  5. lance

    "For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds" (2 Cor. 11:13-15).

    February 21, 2012 at 5:57 pm |
    • Prayer is not healthy for children and other living things

      Prayer takes people away from actually working on real solutions to their problems.
      Prayer prevents you from getting badly needed exercise.
      Prayer wears out your clothes prematurely.
      Prayer contributes to global warming through excess CO2 emissions.
      Prayer fucks up your knees and your neck and your back.
      Prayer can cause heart attacks, especially among the elderly.
      Prayer reveals how stupid you are to the world.
      Prayer exposes your backside to pervert priests.
      Prayer makes you think doilies are exciting.
      Prayer makes your kids avoid spending time with you.
      Prayer gives you knobbly knees.
      Prayer makes you frothy like Rick Santorum. Just google him to find out.
      Prayer dulls your senses.
      Prayer makes you post really stupid shit.
      Prayer makes you hoard cats.
      Prayer makes you smell like shitty kitty litter and leads you on to harder drugs.
      Prayer wastes time.

      February 21, 2012 at 5:59 pm |
    • EnjaySea

      Nice. You found a scripture in the Bible that seems to justify your belief in the devil. Problem is, the Bible was written by men just like you and me. What is written in the Bible only serves to prove that it was written in the Bible.

      February 21, 2012 at 6:21 pm |
    • larry dillon

      Brilliant quote.Outstanding,A great prespective.

      February 21, 2012 at 7:55 pm |
    • bam

      which book written by man for control of man did u cut paste that out of....

      February 21, 2012 at 10:48 pm |
    • lance

      Interpret the quote however you like. For me, it seems obvious that Santorum is a servant and is disguising himself as a messenger of Christ. Providing a quote from the Bible that states this seems appropriate since that is Santorum's favorite approach to just about every issue.

      February 22, 2012 at 3:32 am |
    • BADGUY

      No great mystery why Santorum's Opus Dei founder, Josemaria Escriva, issued 999 "sayings" as the skeletal structure of his "religion". Just like Cain's "9-9-9" tax plan....just turn it upside down and get a hint as to the REAL author.

      February 26, 2012 at 1:38 pm |
  6. brobin

    so now we are at war with an imaginary "satan"... in service to an "imaginary god", to protect "God's chosen.. America"...

    While Santorum is free to be an idiot, it is sad that he could get elected to anything with these views. I bet the Pope would find this guy out of touch.

    February 21, 2012 at 5:56 pm |
    • Cory (Humanzrstupd)

      No, the Pope would more or less agree with everything Santorum says/said.

      February 21, 2012 at 9:23 pm |
    • BADGUY

      The last two Popes have protected and promoted Opus Dei. It has been suggested that Opus Dei is the Pope's tool which he uses to purge progressives and socialists from the Church's ranks.

      February 26, 2012 at 1:41 pm |
    • BADGUY

      I think Santorum said yesterday that ALL our problems are due to the collapse of the family and the moral degradation of America. Boy..talk about "generalities". What, pray tell, is his "fix" for that? Wait! Don't tell me! "Give more tax breaks to the Rich?".... Gee...I should have known THAT! OR......maybe beat ourselves with a whip 3 times a day and wear an Opus Dei "cilice"? I hope Rick comes out and says EXACTLY how he's going to fix the collapse of the family and moral degradation of America! I'd REALLY like to know!

      February 26, 2012 at 1:46 pm |
  7. Prayer is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer takes people away from actually working on real solutions to their problems.
    Prayer prevents you from getting badly needed exercise.
    Prayer makes you fat.
    Prayer wears out your clothes prematurely.
    Prayer contributes to global warming through excess CO2 emissions.
    Prayer fucks up your knees and your neck and your back.
    Prayer can cause heart attacks, especially among the elderly.
    Prayer reveals how stupid you are to the world.
    Prayer exposes your backside to pervert priests.
    Prayer makes you think doilies are exciting.
    Prayer makes your kids avoid spending time with you.
    Prayer gives you knobbly knees.
    Prayer makes you frothy like Rick Santorum. Just google him to find out.
    Prayer dulls your senses.
    Prayer makes you post really stupid shit.
    Prayer makes you hoard cats.
    Prayer makes you smell like shitty kitty litter and leads you on to harder drugs.
    Prayer wastes time.

    February 21, 2012 at 5:52 pm |
    • Mike

      Kitty Litter is gross. I got a cat and trained her on the toilet with something called a "City Kitty". Bought it on the Internet. 20 bucks and needed some flushable litter. 3 weeks she was using the toilet just like me. Thank God. 🙂

      February 21, 2012 at 6:04 pm |
    • Joel

      Prayer is much more productive and intelligent than posting crap like a list of what is wrong with prayer without your name listed. Plus prayer has actually never had any negative impact on anyone. Being a lame idiot posting your list of crap has a negative impact on everyone. Reading your list wasted my time…and I want it back!

      February 21, 2012 at 10:55 pm |
  8. Texas Doc

    I cannot wait for him to go after Romney as a Soldier Slave of Cain/Mormon. You know he's going to do it. Hell, Billy Graham's son just fired the first salvos. The American Taliban are being exposed and my guess is, just like Romney and the GOP in general, the more people see, the more they dislike them...all of them.

    February 21, 2012 at 5:52 pm |
    • Tex71

      Fundamentalists can get along fine as long as there is someone else they hate more. But as soon as anyone reminds them of how the other fundies are not the True Believers, they will turn on each other with twice the vicious fury. So far, Mitt the Magic Mormon has been appealing to the Redneck Religious Right by being more openly anti-Obama than Mormon. But Santorum is about to open up a can of Self-Righteous Condemnation on Romney. Mitt is done; stick a fork in him. It seems we are in for a real treat this year: finally, an American religious extremist with too much of a backbone to sell out to sanity. 2012 may well be the End of the World for Christian fundamentalism. May it be the beginning of the end for all such.

      February 21, 2012 at 8:52 pm |
  9. Thomas

    The Inquisition was a Roman Catholic tribunal for discovery and punishment of heresy, which was marked by the severity of questioning and punishment.

    Ricks way or the Hi way !

    February 21, 2012 at 5:47 pm |
    • larry dillon

      If Rick the demi-god has his way the holocaust will begin again.And yes Rick that is a Nazi Hitler reference and I stand by mine.

      February 21, 2012 at 8:00 pm |
    • Tomás de Torquemada

      "WAS"?!?!?!?!?

      February 21, 2012 at 10:43 pm |
  10. Jonathan

    Thank you, CNN, for bringing this to my attention. I will be keeping a closer eye on Santorum. While what he says may sound extreme to most people, it is a bit refreshing to actually have a candidate that clear outlines what he believes and is consistant in that belief, who's action's reflect it.

    February 21, 2012 at 5:47 pm |
    • Jacs

      "We look at the shape of mainline Protestantism in this country, and it is in shambles, it is gone from the world of Christianity as I see it," he said. If this isn't a man who needs CLOSE scrutiny, I don't know who is. It's his view of Christianity and the Protestants are damned. Try selling that in the Bible Belt.

      February 21, 2012 at 6:06 pm |
    • jim

      Constancy of belief is not comforting when what the man believes is absolutely insane.

      February 21, 2012 at 6:13 pm |
    • EnjaySea

      I agree, it's very helpful when candidates tell the truth. That gives people a chance to know who they're not voting for.

      February 21, 2012 at 6:23 pm |
    • larry dillon

      Not refreshing.Scary

      February 21, 2012 at 8:01 pm |
    • Carter

      Great comment Jonathon!!!

      February 22, 2012 at 6:13 pm |
    • BADGUY

      Adolph was VERY clear when he outlined his "fix" for the "Jewish Problem"..too. Rick is in good company!

      February 26, 2012 at 1:49 pm |
    • BADGUY

      Jac – Opus Dei Catholics DON'T like other religions. Josemaria Escriva referred to Queen Elizabeth, the head of the Church of England as the "Daemon"

      February 26, 2012 at 1:54 pm |
  11. Darwin

    Wow, this new enemy could be even more elusive than al qaeda. I wonder how long our new "war on the devil" will last.

    Seriously, though, who really wants to go back to the witch trials, the inquisition, the crusades. Santorum is an idiot.

    February 21, 2012 at 5:45 pm |
    • Rhonda

      The war on Satan will continue until God destroys him in the last days.

      February 21, 2012 at 6:20 pm |
    • larry dillon

      Come on last days.Gettem out of here

      February 21, 2012 at 8:03 pm |
    • Tomás de Torquemada

      I do, I do!!!

      February 21, 2012 at 10:44 pm |
    • Carter

      There were some bad things done in the name of Christianity, but we don't want to throw out the baby with the bath water. I still think what Jesus said was pretty good, "love your neighbor has yourself".

      February 22, 2012 at 6:16 pm |
    • What IF

      Carter, "I still think what Jesus said was pretty good, "love your neighbor has yourself".

      Yes, it's great, but he was certainly not the first one to come up with that idea. The Golden Rule dates way farther back in history...
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Golden_Rule

      February 22, 2012 at 6:21 pm |
    • Carter

      Do you believe Jesus was the son of God? Or, who do you thin Jesus was?

      February 22, 2012 at 7:00 pm |
  12. Bob

    POTUS hopefuls such as Santurum who invoke imaginary beings should be immediately disqualified. (Note that the Flying Spaghetti Monster is real, not imaginary).

    Ask the questions. Break the chains. Be free of religion in 2012.
    http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

    February 21, 2012 at 5:45 pm |
  13. ron

    This dude is becoming the "crazy uncle" we all wish would just go to his room and be quiet. He's a nutcase. And, he won't win the nomination. Period.

    February 21, 2012 at 5:43 pm |
    • Tex71

      If enough of us liberals show up at the polls to support Santorum, he may well win the nomination. If we are really, really lucky, when he goes down in flames he may just take the GOP and American Christian Fundamentalism with him. That would be a great day for freedom!
      Santorum for GOP nominee / Obama for President 2012 !

      February 21, 2012 at 8:55 pm |
  14. Nojabo

    American Taliban.

    February 21, 2012 at 5:42 pm |
  15. EnjaySea

    Apparently The Church Lady is running for president. What next, Cone Heads?

    February 21, 2012 at 5:40 pm |
    • Jilli

      Yep, and the cone head candidate is romney – you'll note the similar diction in their speech.

      February 21, 2012 at 5:58 pm |
    • Jeannius

      Maybe Robin Williams should run and have life imitate his movie, Man of the Year! He'd definitely be better than any of the GOP candiates!

      February 21, 2012 at 11:18 pm |
    • BADGUY

      Doesn't SNL (Carvey) have copy rights to Ricks material?

      February 26, 2012 at 1:55 pm |
  16. fintastic

    Here's a tip...... don't vote for anyone who believes in imaginary beings.

    February 21, 2012 at 5:38 pm |
  17. REALLY ?!?

    Is there anyone out there who doesn't think this guy is a right wing wack job? We are looking for a President, not a priest. He would be happy if could transform America into a 15th century America, maybe we'll start the witch hunts again. I for one wouldn't be surprised if there was a 666 someplace on his head. This guy is very dangerous to our great country. This is also a guy who took his dead baby home overnight to play with him, and you still think he's normal, sane, really?!?

    February 21, 2012 at 5:36 pm |
    • Valentina

      Obviously, and in accordance with some recent polls, more voters in the Republican primary states don't see Santorum as a total nutcase, and it bothers me tremendously. Being a fiscally and socially conservative woman I am appalled that Santorum has such strong support. This guy cannot and will not win in November, should he (by some miracle) become the nominee of the GOP.

      February 21, 2012 at 5:55 pm |
    • Carter

      Why do you think so many people have switched to supporting him? I think we still have a strong Christian base in America. I wouldn't discount him too quick. He at least is pretty clear about his positions.

      February 22, 2012 at 6:19 pm |
  18. D-Nice

    Santorum is nuttier than Bachamann and that's saying something. I can't believe the GOP hates Ronmey enough to choose Santorum. I mean, Gingrich is more electable than that guy.

    February 21, 2012 at 5:35 pm |
    • saywho

      Repubs want nothing better than a politically dead ex-pres. Nuff said.

      February 21, 2012 at 5:56 pm |
    • jim

      I don't think Republicans care who is their standard bearer this time because he isn't going to win anyway.

      February 21, 2012 at 6:04 pm |
    • Tex71

      I take exception to your remark, sir! Bachmann is clearly as nutty as Santorum. I was going to say she is nuttier but was unable to support that point of view with any reasonable arguments. I do, however, maintain that she and he are equally nutty, with hardly a functioning neuron between them.

      February 21, 2012 at 9:02 pm |
  19. Reality

    Dear Rick S., (and also for Barack O, Mitt R., Newt G. and Ron P.)

    A prayer just for "you all":

    The Apostles' Creed 2011: (updated by yours truly and based on the studies of historians and theologians of the past 200 years)

    Should I believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
    and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
    human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven??

    I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
    preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
    named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
    girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)

    Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
    the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

    He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
    a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of
    Jerusalem.

    Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
    many semi-fiction writers. A descent into Hell, a bodily resurrection
    and ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
    Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
    grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
    and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
    called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

    Amen
    (references used are available upon request)

    February 21, 2012 at 5:24 pm |
    • Question

      Yo Reality- were you raised Atheistic?

      February 21, 2012 at 5:52 pm |
    • brobin

      Few are raised Atheistic. They are told fantasies like Santa, the Easter Bunny, and insert religion of choice here. Some of us reach the age of reason, get educated, and recognize the farce that is religion. The common myths each claim as their own, and the obvious, man made nature.

      Imagine someone running for POTUS who believed in Santa and wanted to "claim the North Pole' to save Santa.
      Imagine someone running for the POTUS who believed in Roman Gods...
      Imagine someone running for the POTUS who believed in witchcraft.

      I see no difference between those believes and Muslims, Christians, Jews. Its all man made fantasy.

      I want a president that makes decisions based on facts and ethics, not faith and belief.

      February 21, 2012 at 6:03 pm |
    • WDinDallas

      Think hard....dream light.....the truth will come tonight.

      February 21, 2012 at 6:07 pm |
    • Reality

      Raised Catholic but then started to read outside the "bun-trap" of the bible. The following should help those still trapped:

      Think about the logic (or lack thereof).

      “I believe the Bible is inspired.” “Why?” “Because it says so.” Would your
      anyone let that logic pass if it came from the followers of any other book
      or person? “I believe x is inspired because x says so.” Fill in the blanks:

      x=Pat Robertson
      x=the ayatolloah Sistani (sp?)
      x=David Koresh
      x=the Koran”

      more “logic”?

      “I believe there is One God Jehovah because He is revealed in the infallible
      Bible. I believe the Bible is infallible because it is the Word of the One God Jehovah.”

      February 21, 2012 at 11:41 pm |
  20. momoya

    Why would anybody expect different of him?

    February 21, 2012 at 5:07 pm |
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