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March 2nd, 2012
09:08 AM ET

Lesbian: 'Denied communion' at mom's funeral

(CNN)–CNN's Brooke Baldwin spoke to Barbara Johnson who says a priest denied her communion at her mother's funeral Mass at St. John Neumann Catholic Church in Gaithersburg, Maryland because she is a lesbian.

In response to Johnson's story going public the Archdioceses of Washington responded saying in a statement to CNN:

In matters of faith and morals, the Church has the responsibility of teaching and of bringing the light of the Gospel message to the circumstances of our day. When questions arise about whether or not an individual should present themselves for communion, it is not the policy of the Archdiocese of Washington to publicly reprimand the person. Any issues regarding the suitability of an individual to receive communion should be addressed by the priest with that person in a private, pastoral setting.

The archdiocese is looking into the incident at a funeral Mass that was celebrated by Fr. Marcel Guarnizo and will handle this as a personnel issue.

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  1. J.W

    The priest committed a sin by not giving her communion.

    March 2, 2012 at 4:48 pm |
    • fred

      J.W
      Are you using your smart phone on your replies? Just wondering since your posts are not in reply mode and mine does that.

      March 2, 2012 at 4:53 pm |
    • J.W

      No, some of them should be replies. I guess usually a lot of mine are replies. This one was supposed to be by itself though. My phone is internetless though so I would not be posting on my phone.

      March 2, 2012 at 5:04 pm |
    • fred

      Not so fast J.W, if Barbara was taking communion with the wrong att-itude or heart it is Barbara that would condem herself and the Priest who is the hero by saving her.
      In terms of the scripture communion is the takeing of bread and wine in fellowship with others to the glory and rememberence of Jesus sacrafice on the cross. To do that that with false motives is an affront to God and in certain cases condems the person. If Barbara is a believer then a brother or sister needs to speak with her about what happened and get it straight.
      As to the Priest the Catholics added lots of stuff to Scripture that is not of God. A good example is a leader that promotes abortion cannot be given communion. This is not in the Bible rather an add on by some Biship or perhaps even the Pope. God is not impressed with what man has added to the truth and most likely not impressed with this priest or Barbras actions at the memorial. It is not what God is all about but a great example of what humans do in the name of God that is very removed from the truth of God.

      March 2, 2012 at 5:13 pm |
    • J.W

      Actually it sounds like she was ready to receive the communion openly but the priest just passed by her. I don't believe the priest was trying to save her. I think he was just not comfortable with her lifestyle so he discriminated against her.

      March 2, 2012 at 5:21 pm |
    • Primewonk

      @ Fred – but apparently the priest was fine and dandy with giving communion to the 90% of Catholics who use or have used birth control?

      March 2, 2012 at 6:07 pm |
    • Pat

      "but apparently the priest was fine and dandy with giving communion to the 90% of Catholics who use or have used birth control?"

      Don't forget adultery, gluttony, greed, drunkards, etc... The people at that church should boycott it for having a preacher that is so prejudice and by passing judgment on her he committed the greatest sin of all.

      March 2, 2012 at 6:14 pm |
    • Masquer08er

      I want the church to make me feel better, but I will not follow its teaching. I've seen priest give communion to many I know take the pill. But, if the priest is not sure, he will go ahead. If someone wore a shirt to Mass that said "Support Abortion", the priest doesn'thave any choice. @sigh your putting Christians down without being in Church. And the Church gets money from the Feds because the Feds thinks it is helpful to the community. I have seen many people receive help from Catholic Charities then turn around and bad mouth the church. Where is the hypocricy there? Catholics want to help. They proselytize less than any group I know (including my athiest friends whom I tease about this). Because they don't want to pay for preventing pregnancy, should this negate the good work they do. All there services help ALL people. They never turn people away for not believing as they do. There are imperfect people in the church striving to become more like Jesus in many ways including helping others.

      March 2, 2012 at 6:18 pm |
    • fred

      Primewonk
      I doubt we have the whole story here so it is hard to say why she was targeted. One thing we know is that CNN writes the story to provoke comment for add dollars so I always take that into account.
      You bring up another issue. The Bible does not say no birth control that is a Catholic thing that probably came from the be fruitful and multiply verse in the Bible. God intended this as a blessing in that we would be fruitful in a spiritual sense thus multiply in goodness.
      You are probably right in that 90% should not take or be given communion for many real reasons

      March 2, 2012 at 6:39 pm |
  2. Reality

    How much money would the following save the US taxpayers ?:

    Saving 1.5 billion lost Muslims:
    There never were and never will be any angels i.e. no Gabriel, no Islam and therefore no more koranic-driven acts of horror and terror like 9/11.

    – One trillion dollars over the next several years as the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan will end.

    – Eighteen billion dollars/yr to Pakistan will stop.

    – Four billion dollars/yr to Egypt will end.

    Saving 2 billion lost Christians including the Mormons:
    There were never any bodily resurrections and there will never be any bodily resurrections i.e. No Easter, no Christianity and no communion!

    – The Mormon empire will now become taxable as will all Christian "religions" and evangelical non-profits since there is no longer any claim to being a tax-exempt religion.

    – Saving 15.5 million Orthodox followers of Judaism:
    Abraham and Moses never existed.

    – Four billion dollars/yr to Israel saved.

    – All Jewish sects and non-profits will no longer be tax exempt.

    Now all we need to do is convince these 3.5+ billion global and local citizens that they have been conned all these centuries Time for a YouTube,Twitter and FaceBook

    March 2, 2012 at 4:29 pm |
  3. William Demuth

    Mike from CT

    Any organization that discriminates based on orientation is subject to the revocation of it's tax exempt status.

    March 2, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
  4. Two sides of the story

    Father Marcel can we hear your side of the story as well please? The media is biased and is carrying one side of this story.

    March 2, 2012 at 3:42 pm |
    • Joe

      The question to Barbara is how important is religious doctrine? If it did not matter then the communion as well as the lifestyle is a non-issue.

      March 2, 2012 at 3:47 pm |
  5. Anon

    If you're GLBT why do you continue to support such an h0mophobic organization?
    It's part of their foundation no matter how much you sugarcoat it with apologetic excuses.
    A GLBT christian is like being a black/latino/whatever klans-man. It doesn't make any sense and just oozes cognitive dissonance.

    March 2, 2012 at 3:41 pm |
    • William Demuth

      So correct.

      It's like African Americans who continue to worship the God of their slave masters and do not return to their original muslim faith.

      It seems if you beat a mind down enough, it bends its knee to whatever monster is in charge.

      March 2, 2012 at 3:59 pm |
    • J.W

      Because things can change if people try hard enough.

      March 2, 2012 at 4:53 pm |
  6. Mike from CT

    *facepalm*

    genetic instructions
    *facepalm*

    March 2, 2012 at 3:40 pm |
    • *facepalm*

      Just because it goes against your beliefs doesn't mean its not true. Sorry.

      March 2, 2012 at 3:42 pm |
  7. Irioth

    "So you believe in discrimnating against people if you don't approve of their s e x life?"

    Never said anything like that. How delusional are you?

    "Should we ban our grandparents from having s e x?"

    Did someone bring that question up besides you?

    "So yes, I do equate race with s e x ual orientation, and the law does as well."

    Thank you for finally getting around to answering the question. Some may not agree with you.
    I don't agree with your example though. A golf club isn't a place of worship...."organized religion". There is nothing in the law that says a golf club can discriminate against those that do not fit within their rules. However, the law does support places of worship and the separation of state and church.

    March 2, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Not when the Church survives on tax dollars diverted to it by cult members in our government

      If not for DIRECT tranfer of tax payers money to the RCC it would collapse within a year or two.

      They are insolvent, and shall soon have to pay millions more to the victims of their preachers.

      March 2, 2012 at 4:08 pm |
    • J.W

      I have never seen that any tax dollars go to any church.

      March 2, 2012 at 4:27 pm |
    • William Demuth

      J.W

      80 percent of social service contracts in NYC go to supposed "Catholic charirties"

      If they lose that, they are toast.

      March 2, 2012 at 4:51 pm |
    • J.W

      Well yeah maybe to the charities but not the actual church. I thought you meant that individual churches get tax subsidies.

      March 2, 2012 at 5:02 pm |
    • William Demuth

      J.W

      They do. Educational funding, real estate tax credits, the list is QUITE large.

      I believe it is the lions share of the churches actual income.

      It seems todays rich old people in NYC are Jews, so the RCC dosen't get as much cash from the dead as it had in the past.

      March 2, 2012 at 5:05 pm |
    • J.W

      I have never seen that before. Is that just in certain cities or states? No church I have ever been a part of has ever gotten any government money.

      March 2, 2012 at 5:11 pm |
  8. False Dichotomy

    Why is this a surprise? Prejudice is inst.itutionalized in Christianity. The Bible makes it clear that ho.mose.xuals are to be despised. Thankfully many Christians have the innate morality to know right from wrong in spite of the "word of God," and choose not to accept the bible's teachings on this matter. But there's no denying the Bible says this – it's clearly in the wrong, but that's what it says.

    March 2, 2012 at 2:50 pm |
    • jimtanker

      NO, not despised. The bible says that they should be kiIIed. Dont sugar coat things.

      March 2, 2012 at 3:15 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Jim

      Who should a good Christian kill first, a witch, a gay, or a Muslim?

      Should a Muslim Witch be killed before a lesbian one?

      March 2, 2012 at 3:25 pm |
    • sam

      All I know is, gay muslim witches keep their phone numbers unpublished.

      March 2, 2012 at 3:30 pm |
    • jimtanker

      WD,

      Dont forget those evil apostate atheists. Which they consider anyone who doesn't believe the exact same flavor of xtianity that they do.

      March 2, 2012 at 3:30 pm |
    • just sayin

      If just a few of the atheists of the past century had killed themselves before they started killing others think how many more people would be on earth today. Suicide the best service an atheist can give to mankind.

      March 2, 2012 at 3:41 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      @just sayin

      Think of how many people would be alive if Christians just left them alone instead of "purging out heathens" for their god. This goes both ways a**hole, difference is I don't know of anyone that has done mass murder in the name of the god of atheists.

      March 2, 2012 at 3:46 pm |
    • jimtanker

      Just Spewing,

      A million times more people have been kiIIed by religious zealots in the name of their relgion than an atheist in the name of atheism.

      March 2, 2012 at 3:51 pm |
    • just sayin

      Politicians have used religion to advance their claims to just wars but in truth, they are not religious conflicts, just a facade created by atheists to avoid blame for the evil they cause.

      March 2, 2012 at 3:54 pm |
    • jimtanker

      Lets make a list:

      Hltler – a catholic with backing from the pope kiIIed millions and directly attributed it to his following his religion.

      Torquemada (and others)- kiIIed millions over the course of 600 years directly because they were following the will of their god.

      The crusades – millions killed to follow the will of their god.

      The witch hunts – possibly tens of thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) kiIIed because people believe that witchcraft is true and that the babble says to kiII them.

      And that's just off the top of my head.

      March 2, 2012 at 4:01 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      @just sayin

      That's why the church published a book on how to hunt, try, and execute witches. That's why all of the crusades were sanctioned by the papacy. Even according to your own bible the israelites conquered areas and were at war very often. Mainly against "heathens" and "idolaters".

      March 2, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
    • William Demuth

      jimtanker
      Don't forget the NEXT war, where the Jeebus freaks shall follow the zionists into war with the camel jockeys.

      I am for it, the more they kill of each other the less we shall have to!

      Support sending a million Jeebus freaks into Persia!-

      March 2, 2012 at 4:05 pm |
    • just sayin

      It was already explained how politicians have used religion to hide their evil atheistic wars. But let us explore your "list" a little more closely.
      Hitler, a one time attender of the catholic church and later atheist in chief of the Nazi empire. A known liar and mass murderer. His words are frequently used to describe him as a catholic, yet he had no personal priest as would have been expected and did not participate in church rituals. Hitlers life more closely resembles the testimony of the atheists on these blogs than any sincere catholic.
      Torquemada, again an atheistic leader who hid his evil behind religion.
      crusades no leader mentioned but the entire mideast in those time never had a population that would account for "millions" killed. Truth be told those participating in the "crusades" were also using religion as a front to their empire building.
      Totally unfamiliar with what you are trying to say as regards text, but witch hunting was not a true Christian pursuit, again evil non believers using religion to justify their evil intents.
      All that pales in comparison to the millions even billions killed by known atheists. Try using more than the top of your head.

      March 2, 2012 at 4:21 pm |
    • AGuest9

      Waitaminute! "witch hunting was not a true Christian pursuit"

      Where do you come up with this nonsense??? Don't Cotton Mather and the Salem Witch trials ring a bell?

      March 2, 2012 at 4:36 pm |
    • just sayin

      The Salem witch trials at their root dealt with greed and avarice. Certain people wanted lands they felt were more advantageous and used religion,fear and prejudice to secure their ends. The same type of weapons atheists use today.

      March 2, 2012 at 4:45 pm |
    • William Demuth

      just sayin

      The Ctholics threaten excommunication for sin.

      They never excommunicated Hitler.

      Why not?

      March 2, 2012 at 4:53 pm |
    • AGuest9

      Go figure, just saying, the religious are no "better" that someone who is atheist.

      March 3, 2012 at 5:36 pm |
    • just sayin

      That is obvious Willie, You can't excommunicate someone who isn't a part of your group.

      March 3, 2012 at 5:38 pm |
  9. J.W

    Nobody should respond to GodsPeople anymore.

    March 2, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
    • And all of God's People said ...

      March 2, 2012 at 2:41 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Is he Captain America in drag?

      Probably the retarted son of Oral Roberts and Mother Theresa

      March 2, 2012 at 2:50 pm |
    • sam

      It could very well be cap...some of the idiot syntax is the same. What handle was used the last time we had someone posing as a hateful racist douchebag on here? It started with an 'm', but I can't remember it.

      March 2, 2012 at 3:08 pm |
  10. GodsPeople

    Who's the wh0r3 going to complain to when she's denied a spot in Heaven?

    March 2, 2012 at 2:20 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      Such an obvious troll you are GodsPeople.

      March 2, 2012 at 2:23 pm |
    • Yoda

      Troll you are

      March 2, 2012 at 2:25 pm |
    • GodsPeople

      Actually, in the New Testament, it refers to how God had removed Himself from certain people and they had indulged in unnatural relations. This is how we know being a f-a-g-g-o-t or l-e-s-b-o wh0r3 is wrong.

      March 2, 2012 at 2:34 pm |
    • Pat

      You need to seek professional help for your low self esteem issues.

      Emotional Maturity is defined as: the ability to express one’s own feelings and convictions balanced with consideration for the thoughts and feelings of others.

      March 2, 2012 at 2:37 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      Because apparently being gay or lesbian automatically means your a wh*re. Keep trolling idiot.

      March 2, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
    • GodsPeople

      I can't think of any compelling reasons for me to consider the thoughts or feelings of evil, black souled sinners like that wh0r3.

      March 2, 2012 at 2:41 pm |
    • sam

      Oh good, a troll to play with. And on a Friday!

      March 2, 2012 at 3:07 pm |
    • Moon

      I had a handle I liked to troll, but I hurt her feelings and she hasn't been around much lately. I feel bad about that.

      March 2, 2012 at 3:10 pm |
  11. Observer

    Lesbians, cannibalism, a sacred ritual to desecrate. William Demuth should be entertained for days.

    March 2, 2012 at 2:09 pm |
    • Rudyard

      Demuth is a coward that takes its liberties with Christians.

      March 2, 2012 at 2:18 pm |
    • An inconvenient truth

      Demuth is long suspected of being a buggerer a buggeree or both.

      March 2, 2012 at 2:23 pm |
    • Keanu

      William demuth is probably a short, rotund, sweaty and baldy thing that rolls around.

      March 2, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
    • William Demuth

      God is great and these posts are a RIOT!

      Salacious crazyness!

      March 2, 2012 at 2:42 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Keanu

      I am a six foot one skin head with a goatee and fists like Virginia hams, who weighs in at like 235.

      And I enjoy stomping redneck Christians

      March 2, 2012 at 2:48 pm |
    • pervert alert

      Bubba was the one who told Demuth about his big soft "Virginia" ham hands the last time they shared a cell for Willies redneck stomping. It is no wonder Demuth is so familiar with being buggered.

      March 2, 2012 at 3:14 pm |
    • William Demuth

      pervert alert

      Hey Cap, hows your Mama?

      Tell her the paternity suits for you are a drag.

      March 2, 2012 at 3:23 pm |
    • Sam

      dumuth the pot bellied pig!

      March 2, 2012 at 3:28 pm |
    • pervert alert

      Why is a pillow biter such as yourself asking about a female Willie?

      March 2, 2012 at 3:29 pm |
    • G Clooney

      Spare the pig and don't insult pigs by comparing a it to that foul mouthed piece of rag

      March 2, 2012 at 3:31 pm |
    • William Demuth

      G Clooney

      How Christian of you! I bet you were an Altar boy!

      (Is that why you limp?)

      March 2, 2012 at 4:56 pm |
  12. GodsPeople

    I agree with the priest. However one of my concerns is they allow non-whites in the church.

    March 2, 2012 at 2:02 pm |
    • You are a common sort of troll

      March 2, 2012 at 2:04 pm |
    • BRC

      You of course realize that when and where christianity was formed, they would have no idea what you're talking baout if you said "white people", unless you were talking about albinos, as the average melatonin level in that region at that time was WAY higher than your average "white person" of today.

      March 2, 2012 at 2:05 pm |
    • GodsPeople

      So you say

      March 2, 2012 at 2:10 pm |
    • Observer

      If you are white you can be cured of it, GodsPeople.

      March 2, 2012 at 2:13 pm |
    • GodsPeople

      That would be my hell, no thank you. I like being white and blessed.

      March 2, 2012 at 2:16 pm |
    • tnfreethinker

      GodsPeople....Unfortunately for you, if there is a god, you are in serious trouble,

      March 2, 2012 at 2:34 pm |
    • GodsPeople

      Hi GodPot, having fun pretending to be me again, you f-a-g? Don't think I'll find you and finish you, do you?

      March 2, 2012 at 2:35 pm |
    • Bizarre

      GodsPeople, "Hi GodPot, having fun pretending to be me again"

      What is your proof that it is @GodPot who is impersonating you? From what I have seen of his posts, he surely doesn't need to stoop to that level to do a proper discrediting of your ideas.

      March 2, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
    • Primewonk

      This ignorant fundiot troll is posting the same cr.ap on multiple threads.

      March 2, 2012 at 2:41 pm |
    • GodsPeople

      @Bizarre: You're as big an idiot as he is then. He's never dissected a thing successfully. I typically chase him off after he runs around a couple of hours pretending to be me and just showing how f-u-c-k-t-a-r-d-e-d he is in general.

      March 2, 2012 at 2:42 pm |
    • GodsPeople

      @PrimeWonk: So far all I've posted on is this thread today. Try again.

      March 2, 2012 at 2:44 pm |
    • GodPot

      It's okay GodsPeople, you will learn soon enough about equality when you spend your first 20 years in prison for a hate crime. And keep telling yourself while your in there that getting r a p e d doesn't mean your gay. And besides, those front two missing teeth of yours will make you the queen of the cell yard...

      March 2, 2012 at 2:45 pm |
    • GodsPeople

      @GodPot: Decided to stop attempting to defame your intellectual superior for a while I see. I've never committed a hate crime in my life. Of course that also goes with, "I've never committed a crime in my life." Which is true. See, unlike you, I have the strength of my convictions, the strength of character that my civilization has always had. until now, of course, but that's a different story for a different thread. I'm better than you and those like you. I know this beyond a shadow of a doubt. You've broken at least one law in your life. I haven't. You've broken commandments. I don't. You've held the name of God in contempt. Even when I was an atheist myself, I held all faiths to be worthy of respect, just not of me. These reasons, and so many, many more, are why I always have been, and always will be, your better in every way.

      Don't like it? suicide is your best solution.

      March 2, 2012 at 2:50 pm |
    • TooFunny

      "I know this beyond a shadow of a doubt. You've broken at least one law in your life. I haven't. You've broken commandments. I don't."

      Too funny because you just broke the commandment thou shall not lie. LOL! What an idiot.

      March 2, 2012 at 2:58 pm |
    • GodPot

      I never post using anyone elses moniker, though I have made what I considered comedic versions of some names on rare occasions. I have posted once as "GodsPeehole" performing my best immitation of your racist rhetoric but I never post under anyones real name pretending to be them. That would be something I will let lower forms of life have fun with.

      March 2, 2012 at 2:58 pm |
    • Bizarre

      GodsPeople,

      You still have not given verified evidence that it is @GodPot who is impersonating you.

      p.s. To whomever IS doing the impersonating: Knock it off. GodsPeople's ideas are quite easy to dispute without your scam, and you are causing @GodPot to be accused.

      March 2, 2012 at 3:06 pm |
    • GodPot

      " Even when I was an atheist myself, I held all faiths to be worthy of respect, just not of me." Of all your lies that one is the hardest to believe. I do not think you have the ability to respect anything based on your posts and you have never given any sound reasoning, just a bunch of red faced racist rhetoric. Also, I doubt you were ever an atheist since the vast majority of us come from Christian or religious backgrounds and only became atheist after doing years of research and often reading our bibles far more than our "faithful" counterparts.

      March 2, 2012 at 3:09 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      @GodsPeople

      You have absolutely no strength of character. You come on here with insulting names that you would never have the balls to say to people in real life. I can only hope that one say you get that courage, and get your a** beat into the ground for it.

      March 2, 2012 at 3:09 pm |
    • Pat

      GodsPeople is a coward.

      March 2, 2012 at 3:11 pm |
    • pervert alert

      Why would a pillow biter, like yourself be concerned about a female Willie?

      March 2, 2012 at 3:28 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      @pervert alert

      No one really gives a s**t what you think. Go troll somewhere else you tool.

      March 2, 2012 at 3:33 pm |
    • pervert alert

      Willie cares. Is pineapple a fruit too?

      March 2, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
    • sam

      Fuck off, pervert alert.

      March 2, 2012 at 3:41 pm |
    • pervert alert

      sam ! Do you kiss William Demuth with that same mouth !

      March 2, 2012 at 4:24 pm |
    • AGuest9

      Never been to Gaithersburg, apparently.

      March 2, 2012 at 4:39 pm |
    • sam

      @pervert alert – what was that, bitch? I couldn't make it out over the blaring banjo music that seems to play every time you post.

      March 2, 2012 at 5:01 pm |
    • GodsPeople

      @hawaiipest: I live in Spring, Tx. Bring it b-i-t-c-h

      March 2, 2012 at 11:41 pm |
  13. Masquer08er

    For a CNN BELIEF Blog, I have never seen so much vitriol and hateful speech. Words are beiing said just to be hurtful. Then complaints are raised about a priest following the rules after being dared.

    March 2, 2012 at 2:00 pm |
    • GodsPeople

      Are you white?

      March 2, 2012 at 2:05 pm |
    • GodsPeople

      @Masq: Ignore that comment. I didn't make it. GodPot doesn't actually have a brain, and like most atheists, it thinks that masquerading as a Faithful and attempting to make us look bad is funny. Like all atheists, it's just plain stupid.

      March 2, 2012 at 2:38 pm |
    • Butters

      How do you know their an atheist?

      March 2, 2012 at 3:50 pm |
  14. SeanNJ

    Why would you want to be a member of a club that clearly doesn't want you as a member?

    March 2, 2012 at 1:59 pm |
    • GodsPeople

      I agree...I am still confused as to all the dirty non whites thinking they are Christian and attenting what should be a only white event.

      March 2, 2012 at 2:04 pm |
    • Jesus

      "Why would you want to be a member of a club that clearly doesn't want you as a member?"

      Would you have said that to an African American or a woman who just wants to be treated equal?

      March 2, 2012 at 2:16 pm |
    • GodsPeople

      But they are not equal to whites so your qestion is moot

      March 2, 2012 at 2:18 pm |
    • Just Say'in

      @ Jesus
      I would yes.
      I do not support discrimination however it’s a fair question.

      March 2, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
    • Pat

      "But they are not equal to whites so your qestion is moot"

      What are you in third grade, what an idiot.

      March 2, 2012 at 2:34 pm |
    • GodsPeople

      He's an atheist named Godpot who's attempting to masquerade as me. Of course he has a third grade mentality. Atheists are f-u-c-k-i-n-g re-tar-ded.

      March 2, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
    • GodPot

      Never used your handle, though I did post one thing as "Godspeehole" for you :)

      Cheers!

      March 2, 2012 at 2:49 pm |
    • SeanNJ

      @Jesus: You said, "Would you have said that to an African American or a woman who just wants to be treated equal?"

      Depends on the circumstances, but quite possibly, yes. By no means am I condoning the discrimination, but it does beg the question of why you'd want to be a member of the church at all.

      However, given this particular exclusion has its roots in some dogma with an unfalsifiable premise, your analogy with racial discrimination and segregation isn't a particularly good one.

      March 2, 2012 at 2:50 pm |
  15. Lewis Keseberg

    It seems almost criminal to withhold that wonderful tasting jesus-meat from anyone. Personally, I perfer my jesus-meat slowly stewed for a few hours with just enough jesus-blood to keep it nice and moist. mmmmmmmmm!

    March 2, 2012 at 1:34 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Last time I had communion, it had a NAIL in it.

      YUK!

      March 2, 2012 at 1:38 pm |
    • Lewis Keseberg

      That's quite unfortunate, but an occasional risk with sacrificial diety cannibalism. Id recommend a profession butcher in the future (though they can be hard to come by) and always make sure to bring the meat up to temperature for some time to minimize the risk of bacterial infection.

      March 2, 2012 at 1:42 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Rodger that, cause nothing in this world will make you toss your cookies faster than finding a Palestinian pubic hair in your communion wafer

      Plus those clots in the wine can also cause a gag reflex, and they REALLY frown on you puking Jeebus onto the altar.

      March 2, 2012 at 1:47 pm |
    • Monti

      Mike from CT

      .... participation in a scared event
      --------------

      Thank you for the daily laugh lol

      March 2, 2012 at 2:01 pm |
    • Bizarre

      What about sufferers of celiac disease, who cannot have the gluten in regular communion hosts? Welllll.....

      " The Benedictine Sisters of Perpetual Adoration in Clyde, Missouri, have developed a Communion host that is extremely low in gluten. They have worked for ten years on this project." - http://www.catholicceliacs.org/Options.html

      10 YEARS of research on this?????!

      March 2, 2012 at 2:06 pm |
    • Rudyard

      Demuth-You are a coward while you take liberties with Christians you seem to hide behind a skirt when it comes to others.

      It is the coward who fawns upon those above him. It is the coward who is insolent whenever he dares be so.
      Junius

      March 2, 2012 at 2:15 pm |
    • BRC

      @Rudyard,
      Not quite sure what you're driving at here. I think you'll find William to be equally abrassive to all faiths (I mean that in the best way possible).

      March 2, 2012 at 2:19 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Rudyard

      I hate all ridiculous belief sets equally.

      Frankly, when I put you all in the mass grave, the headstones will be non demoninational.

      March 2, 2012 at 2:44 pm |
    • Primewonk

      @ Bizarre – I could never figure that out either. Catholics teach that the wafer physically becomes the body of Christ. Flesh does not contain gluten. So if someone has a reaction to a wafer, it must not have transformed from wheat to flesh.

      March 2, 2012 at 2:48 pm |
  16. Masquer08er

    Why are you arguing to change the church? If you don't agree, don't participate. We live in America, 1st ammendment and all. It says if you want to, you can and if you don't...fine. You have the right to worship as you please, or not. But, don't try to change the way someone else believes.

    March 2, 2012 at 1:27 pm |
    • William Demuth

      You do NOT have Carte Blanche by any stretch of the imagination.

      Just try and sacrifice something and you will quickly see the state reserves the right to regulate your behavior.

      If your church is place of public accomadation it can not do as it pleases.

      March 2, 2012 at 1:37 pm |
    • Jesus

      "But, don't try to change the way someone else believes."

      Prejudice and bigotry that is not founded in real facts is dangerous and not a welcome part of our society so it needs to be condemned!

      March 2, 2012 at 1:40 pm |
    • Masquer08er

      So the Bill of Rights mean nothing. What do you mean a place of "public accomodation"? It is a group of people of believe alike. The Catholic Church has never dependended on the whim of the people. If you disagree, don't join.

      March 2, 2012 at 2:08 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Masquer08er

      Bull. Pay your taxes and stop buggering little boys and we can talk. Otherwise obey the rules of man or pay the price.

      March 2, 2012 at 2:45 pm |
    • Masquer08er

      the Bill o Rights and co nsti tuti on are the laws/rules of man. In the US they are like the #1 rule.

      March 2, 2012 at 11:00 pm |
  17. pervert alert

    Why give a qu eer communion? How would you know where that mouth had been?

    March 2, 2012 at 1:13 pm |
    • Wow

      Are you an prejudice idiot, you could say the same thing about straights moron.

      March 2, 2012 at 1:19 pm |
    • Yeahright

      Maybe you should ask where the priest's mouth has been. ;-)

      March 2, 2012 at 1:21 pm |
    • pervert alert

      No not really that is part of what makes a qu eer a qu eer.

      March 2, 2012 at 1:22 pm |
    • tnfreethinker

      Pervert....you better hope there is no god, because if there is.....you are hell-bound.

      March 2, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
    • pervert alert

      tnfreethinker, Since you mentioned God, why don't you visit the holy land, a nice vacation in Sodom would do you the world of good. Oops its not there anymore, how about visiting Gomorrah instead?

      March 2, 2012 at 3:21 pm |
    • sam

      Goddamn, you are just as boring every fucking time you appear. It's like copy-paste. Get new insults; even Reality is more fun than you.

      March 2, 2012 at 3:33 pm |
  18. DamianKnight

    While I do not support ostracizing anyone from partaking in communion who wants to, I can somewhat understand the church's belief.

    Their belief system states that they believe ho.mose.xuality is wrong and therefore, they do not provide communion to them. That's their right as a religious insti.tution and part of their free practice of that religion.

    Do I like that the lesbian was denied communion? No. I think it's actually contrary to the teachings of Christ, who sat and ate with prost.iutes and tax collectors.

    Can I see that a religious insti.tution has the right to do it? Yes.

    On a side note, it's dumb that I have to break up the word "ho.mo.se.xuality" in an article about lesbians.

    March 2, 2012 at 12:49 pm |
    • Primewonk

      Got to love a nanny filter wound so tight that we can't discuss the US Consti.tution without breaking up the word.

      Anyway – I agree with what you said, but (there's always a but) – According to Catholic dogma, folks in a state of sin are not to be given communion. And research shows that 95% of all Catholics use or have used birth control. Seems to me that instead of singling out this lesbian, he should have been denying communion to the rest of the folks in the church.

      Perhaps before partaking in communion all males over the age of 12 should have their wieners swabbed looking for condom residue? Perhaps all married women should have forced gynocological exams looking for rings or IUDs as well as bloodwork looking for evidence of BCPs? Perhaps all non-married women over the age of 12 should have forced gynocological exams to make sure their hymens are intact?

      Let's face it, this cretin of a priest was not getting much religious bang for his buck by going after just one lesbian.

      March 2, 2012 at 1:21 pm |
    • DamianKnight

      Well here's the interesting thing.

      "All people in a state of sin" should not take communion. That's Catholic dogma.

      All people are inherently sinful and "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God."

      Therefore, piggy-backing off your point, no one should be able to take communion.

      March 2, 2012 at 1:25 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Primewonk

      So do we exclude the Altar boys if they are walking funny?

      March 2, 2012 at 1:49 pm |
    • tnfreethinker

      One of the ten commandments is thou shalt not judge. They fail.

      March 2, 2012 at 2:41 pm |
  19. Masquer08er

    There are some mean people here, petty name calling and insults. BTW, the woman could not have been surprised. She knew before hand.

    March 2, 2012 at 12:46 pm |
    • BRC

      What is the point of a religion if someone can't turn to it when they feel lost and need comfort?

      March 2, 2012 at 12:49 pm |
    • *facepalm*

      How many times do you think that priest has knowingly given communion to legally married ex-divorcees who haven't had an annulment? There's plenty of room for criticism here.

      March 2, 2012 at 12:49 pm |
    • sigh

      @BRC,

      I thought the point of religion was to make oneself feel special while simultaneously putting others down?

      March 2, 2012 at 12:50 pm |
    • BRC

      I meant the one good point (there ar plenty of less favorable purposes)

      March 2, 2012 at 12:53 pm |
    • gerald

      This isn't a bit of bread and a little wine. It would be mean to allow her to commit sacrelidge.

      March 2, 2012 at 12:54 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      Or given communion to one or more of the 700,000+ believers that get an abortion in the USA each year...

      March 2, 2012 at 12:55 pm |
    • captain america

      Any chance of hotair concerning itself with its own F'n country? There's your sign

      March 2, 2012 at 1:11 pm |
    • Primewonk

      90 to 95% of the straight Catholics use or have used birth control. Why was't the Priest withholding communion from all of them?

      March 2, 2012 at 1:30 pm |
    • SeanNJ

      Unless he's going to insist on herding everyone into the confessional before mass, he probably shouldn't be allowing anyone to participate.

      March 2, 2012 at 4:06 pm |
    • AGuest9

      Why not be surprised? Is the priest gay, too, so he could "tell"?

      March 2, 2012 at 4:41 pm |
  20. Mike from CT

    "Consider an illustration. Imagine that one of the board members of the local G.ay, Les.bian, and transgender community Center announces "I've had a religious experience and now I believe that ho.mo.s.exuality is a sin." As the weeks go by, he persists in making that as.sertion. Imagine that the a board member of the Alliance Against Same-Se.x Marriage announces. "I discovered the my son is g.ay and I think he has a right to marry his partner." Mo matter how personally gracious and flexible the members of each group are, the day will come when each group will have to say, "You must step off the board because you don't share a common commitment with us". The first of these communities has the reputation for being inclusive and the second for being exclusive, but, in practice both of them operate in almost the very same way. Each is based on common beliefs that act as boundaries, including some and excluding others. Neither community is being "narrow" – they are just being communities.

    "Any community that did not hold its members accountable for specific beliefs and practices would have no corporate ident.ity and would not really be a community at all. We cannot consider a group exclusive simply because it has standards for its members. Is there then no way to judge whether a community is open and caring rather than narrow and oppressive? Yes there is. Here is a far better set of test: Which community has beliefs tat lead its members to treat persons in other communities with love and respect – to serve them and meet their needs? Which community's beliefs lead it to demonize and attach those who violated their boundaries rather than treating them with kindness, humility and winsomeness? We should criticize Christians when they are condemning and ungracious to unbelievers. But we should not criticize churches when they maintain standards for membership in accord with their beliefs. Every community must do the same."

    March 2, 2012 at 12:46 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Assuming your beloved church was self sufficient I might agree.

      In a PRIVATE club with membership and a charter you may conduct yourself as you see fit, but in a place of public accomadation run by an organization that takes public monies and pays no taxes that action would be considered at best unethical and at worst illegal.

      Perhaps it would be easier to understand if it was a racial question.

      Should your preacher be allowed to refuse communion for being black? Or for being a Democrat, or for any rbitrary state the priest might disaprove of?

      March 2, 2012 at 1:03 pm |
    • Mike from CT

      GLAD doesn't take public money, even the NY Yankees take public money to help build a new stadium??????

      "Should your preacher be allowed to refuse communion for being black? Or for being a Democrat, or for any rbitrary state the priest might disaprove of?"
      No, why because america says so, no because that is not found in our Holy Scriptures. Your example is covered in the statement

      We should criticize Christians when they are condemning and ungracious to unbelievers.

      March 2, 2012 at 1:10 pm |
    • GodPot

      "we should not criticize churches when they maintain standards for membership in accord with their beliefs. Every community must do the same."

      Sooo, what if my Church won't give communiion to African Americans because my pastor preaches they are the decendants of Cain and are cursed by God?

      Anti-discrimination laws say that "in employment, in consumer transactions and in political participation people may be dealt with on an equal basis regardless of s e x, race, ethnicity, nationality, s e xuality and sometimes religious and political views."

      We have a local private golf course here in Pebble Beach that still does not allow black members but as a private club that is not open to the public they can do whatever they want.

      "The famed Cypress Point Golf Club has become the third private club to refuse to change its membership policies to conform to the PGA Tour's new anti-discriminatory guidelines for clubs that play host to tour events. As a result, Cypress Point, which admits women but does not have a black among its 250 members, decided last week it will no longer be one of the sites of the A.T.& T. Pebble Beach National Pro-Am, an event it has been a host to for more than 40 years."

      I'm fine with that. But when you open the doors to a church and invite everyone in and then deny someone service based on their s e x ual orientation you are breaking the law.

      March 2, 2012 at 1:12 pm |
    • Mike from CT

      But service was not denied that is why she was there in the first place, participation in a scared event was denied, just like she is denied in eldership voting, but that doesn't seem to bother you.

      Your example like Will's is the same example, you would argue the point against what there own standard, in this case, the misapplied application that Cain's descendants, which are not African but Palestine, and Acts 10, do not call unclean what God has made clean.

      March 2, 2012 at 1:27 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Mike from CT

      Mike. Your church is bigoted.

      In this context bigotry is a CRIME.

      They must be held to the law of man, the laws of your imaginary god are irrelevant.

      March 2, 2012 at 1:33 pm |
    • Primewonk

      The Catholic church in the US is based on hypocrisy. 90 to 95% of Catholics use, or have used birth control. Why did the Priest, in this case, single out the one lesbian to deny communion to, but allow all those using birth control to take communion?

      March 2, 2012 at 1:41 pm |
    • GodPot

      "But service was not denied that is why she was there in the first place, participation in a scared event was denied, just like she is denied in eldership voting"

      So it would be okay for the Golf Club here to have a day where everyone is welcome to come on the property and partake in a putting ceremony but when Tiger Woods gets up to take a ceremonial putt the members ask him to refrain because the color of his skin might taint the precedings? Yes? No?

      March 2, 2012 at 1:44 pm |
    • GodPot

      "Why did the Priest, in this case, single out the one lesbian to deny communion to, but allow all those using birth control to take communion?" Because she was open about herself and wasn't trying to live a lie like most Christians. it's that simple.

      March 2, 2012 at 1:46 pm |
    • Irioth

      No. Unless you are trying to equate se_xual orientation with race.

      March 2, 2012 at 1:47 pm |
    • *facepalm*

      So ... one set of genetic instructions is ok, and the other isn't?

      Got it.

      March 2, 2012 at 1:53 pm |
    • GodPot

      "No. Unless you are trying to equate se_xual orientation with race." So you believe in discrimnating against people if you don't approve of their s e x life? Should we ban our grandparents from having s e x? It's not for procreation anymore and frankly it would likely gross most of us out, so should that be how we decide to treat people? On whether we find their choice of partner gross or not? So yes, I do equate race with s e x ual orientation, and the law does as well.

      March 2, 2012 at 1:57 pm |
    • Mike from CT

      Will, what law did they break?

      March 2, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
    • Irioth

      *kicks cnn*

      "So you believe in discrimnating against people if you don't approve of their s e x life?"

      Never said anything like that. How delusional are you?

      "Should we ban our grandparents from having s e x?"

      Did someone bring that question up besides you?

      "So yes, I do equate race with s e x ual orientation, and the law does as well."

      Thank you for finally getting around to answering the question. Some may not agree with you.
      I don't agree with your example though. A golf club isn't a place of worship...."organized religion". There is nothing in the law that says a golf club can discriminate against those that do not fit within their rules. However, the law does support places of worship and the separation of state and church.

      March 2, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
    • Mike from CT

      The Catholic church in the US is based on hypocrisy.

      Yes and Amen, but then again all humans have their hypocrisy... so the statement doesn't say anything more than humans are human, as reaffirmed for example in Romans 7

      March 2, 2012 at 3:37 pm |
    • Irioth

      "the laws of your imaginary god are irrelevant."

      William probably hasn't read the Left's beloved separation of state and church rulings

      March 2, 2012 at 3:38 pm |
    • Mike from CT

      GodPot, re:Tiger woods, Yes? Yes, if the club has the requirement of member's only.

      March 2, 2012 at 3:39 pm |
    • Mike from CT

      @*facepalm*

      genetic instructions
      *facepalm*

      March 2, 2012 at 3:40 pm |
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