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Santorum rails against Maher on 'Christian madrassa' comment
Rick Santorum fired back against comedian Bill Maher who said Santorum's children attended a 'Christian madrassa.'
March 13th, 2012
11:09 AM ET

Santorum rails against Maher on 'Christian madrassa' comment

By Ashley Killough, CNN

(CNN)– Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum hit back against Bill Maher Monday night after the liberal talk show host criticized Santorum for home-schooling his children, calling his home a "Christian madrassa."

Responding to his comments, Santorum, a devout Catholic, said on Fox News that "folks on the left" are out there "trashing anybody who stands up for Christian conservative values, anybody who dares to actually teach their children faith in their home."

Maher made the remarks on his show Friday, saying that Santorum was sheltering his children and educating them in the home rather than in public out of fear they "could be infected by the virus of reason."

Read the full story on CNN's Political Ticker.
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  1. Ungodly Discipline

    When you look at different religions, they usually contain "magic." For example:

    • The Mormon religion contains the magical golden plates, the magical angel, the magical seer stones, the magical ascension of the plates into heaven, etc.

    • The Muslim faith contains the magical angel, the magical flying horse, the magical voices, the magical prophet, etc.

    • The Christian faith contains the magical insemination, the magical star, the magical dreams, the magical miracles, the magical resurrection, the magical ascension and so on.

    The presence of "magic" is a clear marker for "imaginary." For example, how do we know that Santa is imaginary? Because (among other things) he has eight magical flying reindeer. How do we know that Jack and the Beanstalk is a fairy tale? Because (among other things) the story contains magical seeds. In the same way, how do we know that God is make believe? Because God is surrounded by magic.

    According to believers, God is an all-powerful being who has the divine, magical power to do anything. How do we know that this belief is a fairy tale? One way to know is to try to invoke God's magical power. For example the Bible tells us in many places that God answers prayers. However, whenever we try to pray, we notice that nothing happens. That tells us that God is completely imaginary. The magical powers ascribed to him are a fairy tale.

    Another way to know is to read the stories of magical events in the Bible. There is the magical flood, yet we know with certainty that the flood never happened. There are the magical miracles of Jesus, but (predictably) none of these miracles left behind any tangible evidence. There is the magical resurrection, yet there is zero evidence that it ever occurred and no reason to believe it.

    God is identical to Leprechauns, mermaids and Santa. God is a magical fairy tale creature. The magic surrounding God tells us that God is imaginary.

    March 13, 2012 at 1:43 pm |
    • BoldGeorge

      @Ungodly Discipline – "When you look at different religions, they usually contain "magic."

      So do the evolutionists/atheists. They believe everything "popped up" out of nothing. Absolutely nothing turned into absolutely everything. That's magic, my friend.

      March 13, 2012 at 1:53 pm |
    • jimtanker

      BG,

      You've just shown your ignorance. Pick up a non-fiction book once in a while instead of reading from the fiction section. Yes I'm talking about your bible.

      March 13, 2012 at 2:04 pm |
    • BoldGeorge

      Believing and placing a theory as fact is ignorance in every sense of the word. Evolution is only an unproven, air-filled, unsubstantiated, and unscientific theory that has only taken flight within the last 200 years that, according to evolutionists' miscalculations of time, it was just made up a few milliseconds ago in our existence. This in itself does not make sense.

      How come this so-called theory has just been written about and thought of no more than 200 years ago? Why, if we believe that there have been genius mathematicians in ancient Egypt, if the Mayans were as savvy and knowledgeable in astronomy and math as we say the were, and in all the past empires (Persians, Greeks, Turks, Ottoman, Romans, the Israelites, the Pharaohs, etc.) have never mentioned in any of their writings they've left behind anything remotely close to the theory of evolution, yet they did worship a deity or deities, whether they were worshiping the one true God or false gods? Why? I know, humanity has just recently made this observation in animals that indicate we came out of monkeys or better yet, slime, that everyone before missed out in observing.

      March 13, 2012 at 2:52 pm |
    • BoldGeorge

      Besides, home-schooling was the norm in the past. The public school system is not even 200 years old. Funny how it coincides with the origin of the theory of evolution. Talk about government indoctrination.

      March 13, 2012 at 3:05 pm |
    • Nonimus

      @BoldGeorge,
      First, science and the theory of evolution are based on facts, evidence, observation, and testing; there is no magic invovled.

      Second, your logic about the recent age of knowledge applies equally to the geocetric solar system, gravity, electricity, nuclear physics, astronomy, and germs.

      Third, there is plenty of evidence for evolution:
      Biochemistry, such as Cytochrome-c
      fossils, such as, ambulocetus, archeoptryx, tiktaalik, etc.
      biogeography, such as, marsupials in Australia and the Americas, penguins at south pole, etc.
      genetics, human chromosome-2, endogenus retrovirus (ERVs), etc.

      March 13, 2012 at 3:22 pm |
    • BoldGeorge

      Are these the same type of scientific evidence that was found in Siberia of a small finger boned that was presumed to be that of a small race of humans that lived 30,000 years ago, only to discover it was a 50 year old bone of a little girl???

      March 13, 2012 at 4:08 pm |
    • Nonimus

      @BoldGeorge,

      I'm talking about scientific evidence that has been tested and retested by multiple independent groups multiple times over the last 150+ years.

      ... what are you talking about?

      March 13, 2012 at 4:54 pm |
    • Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

      BoldGeorge

      Are these the same type of scientific evidence that was found in Siberia of a small finger boned that was presumed to be that of a small race of humans that lived 30,000 years ago, only to discover it was a 50 year old bone of a little girl???

      >
      Lets say there is a percentage of potential error......Interesting how people cling to small isolated things to throw out the vast evidence to cling to their wishful thinking. Kind of pathetic isnt it lol
      >
      They cannot comprehend why ALL religions and god require faith. Faith is required out of the absence of ANY physical evidence. There is no physical evidence directly related to any god. All gods require men to speak and write their laws. You cannot have faith in something that has yet to be proven...you do have faith in the men that tell you so.

      Prayer never works

      March 13, 2012 at 5:02 pm |
    • BoldGeorge

      To be quite frank, I've always believed it takes much more faith to be an atheist. Think about it.

      March 13, 2012 at 5:37 pm |
    • piet

      since you believe in fairy tales (evolution) please defend your position. I sees signs of a creator every where.including you. Look your posting gives me evidence that you are a person who has the ability to write and think and gives his opinion, but I never saw you do it, The evidence speaks for it self. Jesus dealt with people like you who saw the miracles for themselves but were so caught in there own understanding that they were hung up on the fact that he performed these miracles on the Sabbath.which was unlawful. They had Jesus the Creator of the world in there midst but they were so hard hearted that they missed the greatest opportunity to know him, please don't do the same

      March 13, 2012 at 10:01 pm |
    • Nonimus

      @piet,
      Not sure who you are addressing, but as I said above, evolution has plenty of evidence to support it.

      Human Chromosome-2:
      Genetically our nearest relatives, the apes, have 24 pair of chromosomes and humans only have 23, which would be difficult to rationalize, as we descended from the same ancestors. However, we now have strong evidence to show that Human chromosome-2 is actually an end to end fusion of 2 chromosomes that in chimpanzees are separate. This is evidenced by teleomeres (end basepairs) in the middle of HC-2, two centromeres when only one is normally found (one is inactive), and a strong correlation of genes found on HC-2 with the respective genes on two chromosomes in other apes.

      Lenski's long term e.coli experiment:
      Richard Lenski and his group performed an experiment on e. coli by putting successive generations of the bacteria in a nutrient substrate, called citrate that e. coli normally doesn't process. Or, as Wiki states, "The consequent lack of growth on citrate under oxic conditions is considered a defining characteristic of the species that has been a valuable means of differentiating E. coli from pathogenic Salmonella." However, after approximately 30,000 generations of bacteria, a genetic change, i.e. evolution, gave the e.coli the ability to process citrate as an energy source.

      Tiktaalik:
      Researches used predictions based on the Theory of Evolution and Geology to identify a likely place to find evidence of the transition from fish to tetrapods (from which all land vertebrates evolved). This involved identifying the time frame when they suspected the transition took place, which was in the Devonian, and based on that and geology, determining where fossils from that era would be exposed on the surface of the Earth, which led to Ellesmere Island in Canada. It took several expeditions over a few years but they did find fossil evidence of a transitional form as they expected.

      These are but three examples out of thousands, if not millions, of pieces of evidence that support the scientific Theory of Evolution. In addition, there has never been, to my knowledge, any evidence that contradicts evolution - none.

      Hope that helps.

      March 14, 2012 at 11:28 am |
    • KeithinKC

      Your simply laughable. Research some miracles from Our Lady of Fatima. How do you explain over 70,000 people from across the globe witnessing the Dancing of the Sun. Surely 70,000 people can't conger up the same story. Check out anything dealing with the Blessed Mother and miracles maybe she can show you the way. Check out the Eucharistic Miracle at Lacano,Italy. God is everywhere, just open your mind a little to the most insignificant possibility he's out there! Good luck

      March 14, 2012 at 11:33 am |
  2. BoldGeorge

    Home-schooling is, by far, the best educational option for any elementary, middle school and high school aged child. This is not just me stating this, but statistics (which you can search all over the web) do show that when it comes to academic studies, social skills, moral standards and familial importance, home-schooling out-beats public education by a long shot, a very long shot. By the way, social skills are better taught and learned at home, rather than learning them in an environment where most around you lack them. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. The belief that a home-schooled child will lack social skills later in life because they are confined (or imprisoned like most put it) to the home and not "allowed" to socialize with other peers is a false belief. If you believe this, than you have no clue of what socializing really is. Besides, I've seen myself a home-school curriculum and it includes outings, field trips and weekly activities at a recreational facility, where other home-schoolers attend.

    We (that is, my family and I) have a couple of public school teacher friends and also a public school principal friend that all claim the same thing: The US public school system is deteriorating at a very rapid pace, from the quality of teachers to the academic curriculum to the students themselves, and if there is not a 180 degree change to it, they see no hope for America's future. Now these are people who work for the system, not a second or third party source of info.

    The proof of all this is very visible with the corrupt financial, judicial and moral system of this country, and we are just . I am sure that most who will reply to this comment will

    March 13, 2012 at 1:21 pm |
    • BoldGeorge

      ...probably mock it, rather than rebuttal intelligently, possibly showing more proof of our public educational system. CNN's opinion forum is riddled with this.

      March 13, 2012 at 1:26 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      BG
      It all depends on WHO is doing the home schooling. Personally, I would never want to home school my kids, even if my wife and I didn't both work full time. I want them out there in the world, not insulated from it. Plus I suck at math.

      March 13, 2012 at 1:29 pm |
    • BoldGeorge

      Poor kids!

      March 13, 2012 at 1:33 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      Poor kids? My kids both excel in school, both academically and in the arts. They are smart critical thinkers with very bright futures. I couldn't be happier with their public schooling.

      March 13, 2012 at 1:36 pm |
    • GodPot

      "We (that is, my family and I) have a couple of public school teacher friends and also a public school principal friend that all claim the same thing: The US public school system is deteriorating at a very rapid pace, from the quality of teachers to the academic curriculum to the students themselves, and if there is not a 180 degree change to it, they see no hope for America's future."

      Okay, so it's going down hill rapidly, should that be the excuse Christians use to defund public education? Its going downhill BECAUSE Christians are defunding public education. They hate the immigrants so much they scream at the thought of helping fund their education. It's an excuse the greedy selfish self-righteous and intellectually challenged use so they don't have to contribute to society.

      March 13, 2012 at 1:46 pm |
    • BoldGeorge

      Great! Good for them. Happy to know that. By the way, I am in NO WAY saying that every single little child that goes to a public school will end up with a dismal future or rotten in some way. I am just stating the statistics and the reality of our public school system. And living this reality first-hand, home-schooling is the better schooling option for our kids, education, safety and well-being.

      March 13, 2012 at 1:46 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      poor kids. home schooling isn't bad. christian home schooling is. those kids don't have a chance.

      March 13, 2012 at 1:47 pm |
    • mrklrsn

      By no means do I believe that the public school system doesn't leave room for vast improvement, but of the fifteen or twenty odd home school families I know only one who has done better academically for their children, and then only with the first two of five children. My sister did a great job with her first two girls, but her younger boys struggled through the basics in need of the specialized help that trained public school employees could give them. As a matter of fact, it was my wife, a public school teacher, who taught my nephew how to read over winter break.

      As for socialization, again, of all the home school kids I know 95% of them have severely retarded social skills. Sure they are able to function in a very closed and conservative environment like their church or family gatherings but put them in the work place or a university and they are usually more dysfunctional than the admittedly dysfunctional public.

      I have never seen any research studies on this subject, only heard word of mouth statistics from home school parents who quite frankly I have no past personal reason to trust. I can only think of all the home schooled people i have known. Many of them have a greater ability to discuss Laura Ingals Wilder and quote bible verses but have little or no understanding in relation to critical thinking skills, science (all branches), higher math or a sense of history that can withstand any kind of academic pressure.

      March 13, 2012 at 1:56 pm |
    • fred

      GodPot
      It has been known that the public school system has been in decline since 1965. Prayer and the Bible were kicked out about that time and simply never has been the same. An atheist takes credit for that feat. At that time less than 1% of the students were atheist so we have now 90% of the student body suffers but atheist feels real good. Certainly we cannot prove that this was the cause and atheists always rally around what cannot be proven without a doubt. Oh, the cry that European countries without God in their school system excel will dash any hope that God is somehow involved.
      My thought is that the bottom line is respect.
      When the 99% in our public schools were taught to respect Gods authority teachers and parents also had respect. The 1% that could not bow to any (especially God) one will be brought to their knees when fullness of mocking and spitting on God (regardless if God is real or imaginary) sets the hearts of the next generations.
      The hate of God and disrespect for Christ (christians) as well as the disrespect from religions towards others will bring a once great country to its knees

      March 13, 2012 at 2:06 pm |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      Hey! It's retard fred! We've missed your narrow-minded, dogmatic opinions...

      March 13, 2012 at 2:14 pm |
    • fred

      Twin
      The truth is always in a very narrow band as once you plug in the yea but this and that it stops being truth. Even Jesus preferred an atheist to a half hearted Christian.

      March 13, 2012 at 2:34 pm |
    • GodPot

      "It has been known that the public school system has been in decline since 1965" Really? Source please.

      The fact is that we are doing a heII of a lot of catching up for all the bible garbage and segregation our schools had up till then. Yes our scores would go down when you add in all the other children who had been discriminated against for so long and expect them to perform at the same levels as the pampered little Christian white kids. And ever since then the parents of those pampered little Christian white kids have schemed their way out of having to pay for any brown kid's education. It's just plain sick.

      March 13, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
    • fred

      GodPot
      Let me give you a personal fact: I pay $7,000 in school taxes to the county every year for public education alone. We have a 58% brown population and 16% black population in the county. Your blanket statement of brown children not getting the big bucks is 20 years out of date but a good sound bite for upcoming elections. Amazing how many brown and white voters still buy that old news. Following is your proof based on SAT facts:
      While average scores have gone down, minority scores have gone up. From 1976 (when the College Board began tracking group scores) to 1992, black student scores went from 686 to 737; Mexican-origin scores went from 781 to 797; and Puerto Rican scores went from 765 to 772. White scores declined, but this is due, at least in part, to the broadened social class base of white test takers. In 1976, the number of white test takers was equal to only 19 percent of the 17-year-old white population. In 1992, it was 25 percent, a less elite group.

      March 13, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
    • GodPot

      "Your blanket statement of brown children not getting the big bucks is 20 years out of date "

      You were the one claiming we have gone downhill since 1965, I am pointing out that we have been going uphill by leaps and bounds for minority populations in terms of access to education while Christian fundementalists want to roll the clock back to 1965 so their children will have a better more exclusive education. I'm saying we need to pay more for our public schools and fund all of America's children giving them access to the highest quality education available regardless of race, color, creed or religion. Pulling your kid's out of the system because you believe it's broken fixes nothing but exacerbates the problem making it worse for those left behind.

      March 13, 2012 at 6:28 pm |
    • fred

      GodPot
      Your right, I checked it out and although SAT scores are lower overall they have increased for minorities and formerly disadvantaged kids. Good catch thanks

      March 13, 2012 at 10:14 pm |
    • Kerry

      My husband and I are Catholics and plan on homeschooling. My husband is even a public school teacher! If it wasn't for the growth of homeschooling I wouldn't have decided to do it. But now that most of the Catholic moms I know plan on doing the same thing I know that I have plenty of support. Homeschooling is booming across the country and Bill Maher is just (GASP!) out of touch.

      March 14, 2012 at 12:18 pm |
  3. GodsPeople

    I'm a firm believer in home schooling. My wife is an expert in biology and is going to be homeschooling our daughter. I'll teach her history and english, she will teach math and science. We'll both teach philosophy and spirituality.

    March 13, 2012 at 1:18 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      Be sure to cover how the humans that lived 200,000 years ago didn't have a bible, but that is ok because god just wasn't ready to reveal himself yet and considers them as innocent children. god works in mysterious ways!

      Oh, and be sure to cover how there is an angry demon that hates humans living in a flaming cave waiting for the athiests to die so they can roast for eternity. You want to be sure and get that healthy dose of reality in the lessons. Let me know if you need any more advice. Poor kids.

      March 13, 2012 at 1:24 pm |
    • BoldGeorge

      @ ungodly discipline

      "Poor kids" are the ones that god murdered a couple of weeks ago at an Ohio public school. And that incident is just one of many that have been occurring, and more to come. Poor kids!

      March 13, 2012 at 1:29 pm |
    • BoldGeorge

      @ungodly discipline

      That "god" (with a lower case g) is your god whom you worship and whom the public school system supports.

      March 13, 2012 at 1:31 pm |
    • Martin

      BG-Just be aware there are few Muslims here that post as Christians. GodsPeople is one of them.

      March 13, 2012 at 1:31 pm |
    • BoldGeorge

      @ Martin

      I may not know who is a true Christian here or not, but God does. And besides, it's a shame that one who is not a Christian would want to identify him or herself as one. Who are they trying to deceive?

      March 13, 2012 at 1:35 pm |
    • Martin

      BG-One terms trojan horse!

      March 13, 2012 at 1:39 pm |
    • GodsPeople

      @satanicallyeverything: Hah. Hah ha ha ha. We'll properly teach both evolution and creationism. We'll teach biology and spirituality. We'll be working closely with our Orthodox Priest on the child's spiritual education, as he is going to help us build our "syllabis" for that part of it. The reason we're going to homeschool is neither of us want the liberal ideaology that public schools spew out like venom, much like the hatetheists spew here about truth.

      March 13, 2012 at 1:39 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      Yeah BG, parents never kill their children. That is why Nancy Grace just never has enough material to support her program.

      March 13, 2012 at 1:40 pm |
    • GodsPeople

      @Fartin: LOL me a muslim. That's almost as good a laugh as I've gotten all day. You sound butthurt. Which debate did I destroy you on and which of your 1000 nicknames was it under?

      http://www.scribd.com/doc/7771818/Butt-Hurt-Report-Form

      There, I'm sure that'll help.

      March 13, 2012 at 1:45 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      Yeah GP, here's a big +1 for home schooling. Brainwashing children one kid at a time. More future dummies for America.

      March 13, 2012 at 1:45 pm |
    • GodsPeople

      @Satanicallyeverything: Actually it's public schools that brainwash. They teach it's okay to race mix, it's okay to sleep around, it's okay to do whatever you want and try to avoid any and all consequences. That's liberal ideology. I refuse to teach trash like that.

      March 13, 2012 at 1:47 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @BoldGeorge
      Will you child be taught comparative religion, or will their spiritual education focus only on one belief system?
      If there is exposure to other mythologies, will they be presented in a compassionate light as legitimate beliefs and moral guides, or simply referred to as pagan/heathen ideologies?

      March 13, 2012 at 1:49 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Whoops! Post is for GodsPeople, not George

      March 13, 2012 at 1:50 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      you're a scientist that is going to waste time teaching creationism? are you kidding? you can't be a scientist if you're teaching that the world is 6k years old. if you teach them creationism, you are doing them a disservice. you are making you're kids dumber.

      March 13, 2012 at 1:51 pm |
    • GodPot

      Doc has a good point GP. Will your children have the choice to pray to Allah? Or Ra? Or Zeus? Which of the religious "theories" do you want to teach your children as fact?

      March 13, 2012 at 1:53 pm |
    • GodsPeople

      @Doc: I'm actually going to brush up on my knowledge of other spiritual beliefs to do exactly that. I believe wholeheartedly in people making a choice, even if I don't like the choice they make. You can love someone and not like everything they do. I will teach them every white culutural belief in the history of mankind if I can find the info.

      I also don't believe in teaching spirituality until a child is old enough to understand... 12-13 years old. So she will make her own choices.

      March 13, 2012 at 2:02 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @GodsPeople
      A very reasonable response, sir. Kudos!
      It is of course inevitable that your child will be pre-disposed to think and believe in a way similar to you (and I'm not implying that's necessarily a bad thing) and I am glad you plan on exposing her to as many different belief systems as you reasonably can do.
      My kid is 5 and has started to ask tough questions like "where does the world come from". Her grandmother's reflexive response is "goddidit" – which bothers me not at all becuase when she inevitably asks Dad the same thing, we talk about different theories – both scientific and mythological.
      At the moment, she's enraptured by the diagrams and illustrations in our household anatomy book (kept on the low shelves so as to be readily accessible to her).
      As a father, I believe my greatest responsibility is to provide her with the tools to be able to objectively make up her mind in all things – even if (as you pointed out) her choices go against my own beliefs

      March 13, 2012 at 2:15 pm |
    • Carson

      @godspeople "We’ll properly teach both evolution and creationism."
      That statement says nothing will be taught properly. U lack an understanding of what science is. Teach the many different creation myths in philosophy, comparative religion or literature. The media is to blame for this to as they don't understand science. You should teach astrology next to astronomy, alchemy next to chemistry, storks or women for birth, gravity or some other strange idea not based in science. There is no debate or controversy on The Modern Evolution Synthesis. Evolution is neither godless or proof of gods creation. It just is. Have a person Qualified to teach big history. Also u should check out the Clergy Letter Project. I don't understand why so many people think facts, knowledge, reason and science are liberal ideology. I always thought it was reality What's conservative ideology than? Remember the truth usually does not lie in the middle. Not all opinions should be taught. Skeptic Society has a great site to assist kids to learn how to think critically.

      March 13, 2012 at 2:18 pm |
    • fred

      Doc
      GodsPeople
      Most research indicates a childs basic character is formed by the age of 8. What you both propose is to make it far more difficult for a child to seek the truth of God relative to all past generations. As a parent that is your gamble and parents make decesions for their childern all the time. I would never however state in doing what your doing gives the child an opportunity to make up their own mind.....you have done that.
      A large number (75%) of church going christians stop going to church after 4 or more years of college. I would not be so worried if I was you because if God does not step in Christianity will be a minority view in short order. That with childern that had a real fair opportunity to make their own decision.

      March 13, 2012 at 2:25 pm |
    • GodsPeople

      My oldest daughter (this'll be my 2nd) actually chose to go to church at a very young age, it shocked me. This was before I came into faith of my own, and she was only 3. Like I said tho, I'm a firm believer in people making their own choices, and I told her if that's what she wanted I'd support her. She went with my bro in law and sister, and then with her mother to an episcopal church. I'm Orthodox so it conflicts with my beliefs, but she loves her church, and I'm not going to tell her no. I will say that she's studied anatomy with me, as well as (now at 6 years old) she's showing her Daddy's ability with technology and chemistry. Unfortunately she's also showing her Daddy's ability with higher math (not much.) Before she even started school she could count to 300 both in english and french (since most of my family speaks both), recite both the english and french alphabets, and other stuff you wouldn't expect a 6 year old to do.

      March 13, 2012 at 2:28 pm |
    • GodsPeople

      @Fred: if you take John's Revelation literally instead of symbolically, Christians are SUPPOSED to become the minority. We'll become a smaller and smaller quotient of the population until the end times truly begin with the rise to power of the AntiChrist. He shall be beloved of all the nations and will hold the world within his grasp, after all, and he can't do that if the majority of the world is devout Christian. He'll also be tied in with Israel, which is why the New Jerusalem cannot be there.

      March 13, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
    • Question

      GP-What do you teach you little girl about Allah? Will you take her to a mosque if she wanted to go? Will you ask her to pray 5 times daily?

      March 13, 2012 at 2:33 pm |
    • SPA Knight

      Parents are the primary educators of their children and it should remain that way. Home schooling is a great alternative and liberal ediucators should not fear it or ridicule it if their goal are the children. Unfortunately though, public education administrators have no confidence in parents so they want them out of the equation thinking they know best. These children are not property of the state and statistically achieve higher standards than those that are held back by the school system because they can only move as fast as the total classroom unit. Oh yeah, and they preserve their faith because there is no indoctrination into secularism. Liberal once meant open mindedness but now it means I want to control your life.

      March 13, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
    • GodsPeople

      @Question: What I'll teach her is the history of Islam, and that Allah is just their word for God. I'll also be teaching her it's not part of her culture, because, well, it isn't. Like I said, I'm going to teach her white cultural beliefs over history. Everything else will be for the sake of actual history lessons. I don't like Islam. I don't believe it's a "religion of peace" any more than any other non-liberal.

      March 13, 2012 at 2:45 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @fred
      I am endeavouring not to push my kid in one direction when seeking answers.
      God's "truth" is no more or elss valid than Vishnu's, Allah's or Zeus'.
      What children require to be well rounded individuals are critical thinking skills, not religious indoctrination.
      I am raising her to be a skeptic and to keep on asking questions about everything.
      It is more difficult (and occasionally frustrating) for me than it would be to pick a single source for all the answers.

      March 13, 2012 at 2:45 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      My children know they are free to believe whatever they like. Thy also know that if they take up any religion, they will not inherit a single cent.

      March 13, 2012 at 2:50 pm |
    • fred

      GodsPeople
      Literally or symbolically the entire Bible continues to come together. In Genesis we see the placement of the garden in Iraq based on river locations. The world’s largest discovered oil fields from that plush vegetative garden are centered under the land of conflict. The serpent raised the pride of man that rejected unity with God in that garden. Two trees in the garden and two kids from Abraham Isaac and Ishmael of which the Bible says he will kick you in the teeth and be a constant sore in your side. Both family lines thousands of years latter still cling to the God of Abraham one the Jewish line and the Arab/Palestinian. God promised to bless both yet only one was the chosen. I will make you a great nation said the Lord. Fast forward today we have the Muslim awaiting the 13th Imam that will rise to power and destroy Israel bringing the Muslim to their greatest triumph. I wonder is it literal or symbolic that a great blast of light will make the land uninhabitable for all future generations.

      March 13, 2012 at 2:55 pm |
    • fred

      HotAirAce
      I would think your estate is larger than one cent. Give me your address I will put in my two cents worth so you are not forced to divide your estate.

      March 13, 2012 at 2:57 pm |
    • GodsPeople

      @HotAirAce: you sound more interested in what YOU want than in making certain your children are well rounded and happy. That's sad, and makes you a bad parent.

      March 13, 2012 at 2:57 pm |
    • fred

      Doc
      Teaching your children under the age of 8 biology or physics will set their character far less than what the child observes first hand. Note the great skill children have in observation. What they see in you and around them will be of greater influence than any book at a young age.
      You also make the assumption that knowledge of God renders a child less than others with the absence of that knowledge. You contradict yourself as to affect of a broad education. I agree with you yet the result is actually detrimental to your child. A scientist that has had the experience of faith whether God remains accepted or not is more well rounded than either an atheist or Taliban tribal leader.

      March 13, 2012 at 3:10 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @fred
      Since I haven't access to any cadavers, I'm afraid that the best I can do when she asks questions about the inner workings of the human body is to flip through an anatomy textbook.
      Vivisection is frowned on here in Canada.
      As for whether a child is more or less with faith than without it – that is a null argument.
      Children are born with faith in their parents. It is necessary for survival. If it took direct observation of an event for a child to learn, how would we ever teach them things like "don't play in traffic" short of running out and getting hit by a car ourselves?
      Parents must walk a tight rope with what they chose to fill their kids' heads with as it is extremely difficult to shake off early indoctrination.
      Blind faith in the religious sense – IE: believe in the unseen and unprovable based solely on fear of authority (clergy and/or divine punishment) is anathema to me.
      Aesop's fables are full of good lessons, but it doesn't require worship of the tortoise and the hare to reinforce the positive messages.
      In my home, "supernatural" is a null word.
      The only faith I hope to instill in her is faith in her own capacity to find and process information from as many sources as possible!
      I would be doing her a disservice if I filled her head with nonsense presented as "Truth" (even with the best of intentions) so that she can be disillusioned later when she discovers other "Truth". Or worse yet, be hatefully intolerant of those who were raised with a different perspective.

      March 13, 2012 at 3:28 pm |
    • Nonimus

      @GodsPeople,
      Some of what you say makes sense, however, some of it is extremely worrisome, such as, "They teach it's okay to race mix," and "I'm going to teach her white cultural beliefs over history."

      I'm now less worried about your childrens science education than I am about their anti-social bigotry.

      What exactly do you mean by "race mix", and why is it a bad thing?

      March 13, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
    • GodsPeople

      @Doc: where do you get fear from? I'm Christian because I love Christ, I love God. I worship in love. I chose to be because I wanted to feel God's love instead of seperation from God. It has nothing to do with fear. It has to do with love, and love only.

      March 13, 2012 at 3:37 pm |
    • GodsPeople

      @Nominus: by "race mix" I mean... well, feeling forced to integrate into other cultures instead of respecting and learning her own. By "race mix" I mean date outside of her race, which can and only helps bring on ge-no-ci-de of a race. The white race is 8% of the population. White children should be taught to only be with other whites. She will be raised with white culture and around exclusively white people. She'll be around Europeans of many cultures (moving to New Hampshire soon), and that'll be confusing enough for a poor child! She'll be taught that people are different for a reason, and to make certain she understands that, she'll also be taught that those differences make "race mixing" a very real danger to her own people.

      If you see that as "bigotry," that's your choice. I don't believe in white guilt or white ge-no-ci-de.

      March 13, 2012 at 3:42 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @GodsPeople
      Oi there with the racism!
      I once loved and lived with a Jewish girl whose parents were orthodox.
      For years, I was her "gay roommate" as they were more concerned with keeping their race and culture "pure" than in their own daughters happiness.
      After our relationship ended, she wound up getting involved with a nice, well educated young Jewish fellow – who was gay as the day is long but too afraid to come out of the closet for fear of disappointing his parents and their desire to keep the race pure.
      Would you condemn your child to live a lie that makes them miserable in order to appease you?
      My partner and I took a lot of flak from her Catholic family for not baptising our kid, let alone refusing to get married.
      Limiting your child's exposure to other cultures with make her insular, bigoted, and/or resentful of you.
      Beware the consequences of denying your children information / life experience – especially in the information age when instant, global communication makes such shielding nigh impossible.

      March 13, 2012 at 4:08 pm |
    • Nonimus

      @GodsPeople,
      Yes, I would say that is bigotry and Merriam-Webster, I think, agrees:
      "a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance"
      (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot)

      Why do you think that "race mixing" is "a very real danger to her own people?"

      March 13, 2012 at 4:18 pm |
    • Nonimus

      @GodsPeople,
      p.s. I would think that your children's culture is "american" which is a mix of of all the consti.tuent cultures that entails.

      March 13, 2012 at 4:23 pm |
    • GodsPeople

      Okay CNN's leftists aren't going to let me post my reasoning/rationale and any reality, because it doesn't match leftist propoganda. I'll try later on tonight when hopefully the mods will be sleeping on the job.

      and yes, there are mods, because I've received e-mails when I've complained about posts not showing up FROM CNN telling me my posts get rejected for Violations of Leftist Terms of Service.

      March 13, 2012 at 4:24 pm |
    • Nonimus

      @GodsPeople,
      Hmmm, leftest?

      If you are coming from a White Supremacist's stand point, which you appear to be doing, wouldn't everyone be leftest by comparison? In other words, left doesn't narrow anything down when you are all the way to the right already.

      You might as well claim, "CNN is anti-me," but that would just sound paranoid, wouldn't it?

      March 13, 2012 at 4:32 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      @GodsPeople

      Re: "That's sad, and makes you a bad parent." No more so than the millions (billions!) of "bad" parents that make their children believe in fairy tales past childhood. Remember, much like believer's 10 Commandments, I've merely stated my position and let them know the consqences – they have free will (true free will, not some bullsh!t attempt to explain how god does/does not know the future...) to believe what they want.

      March 13, 2012 at 6:43 pm |
    • captain america

      Doc v and hot air are virtually useless to US. Neither one is a citizen of America and neither should be, neither one votes in this country and neither one is worth a hanging chad. Both are the equivalent of dog crap on theses blogs sidewalks, they pretend that their opinions are somehow needed by US. News flash, Real Americans have no use for home grown atheists and we sure have no use for those foreign ones. There's your sign

      March 13, 2012 at 6:58 pm |
    • GodsPeople

      @Nominus/Doc: 4th Attempt at a response. Not sure why they keep blocking me, I'm actually posting relevant and factual information. No ad hominem or anything. I'm being good for once!

      @HotAirAce: I hope to God you live in a community property state, so that you don't have a choice. If you do, your kids inherit everything no matter what you say, bwahahahaha (sorry had to do the evil laugh thing there.)

      @CaptainAmerica: You're annoying. Shut up.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:58 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      GodsPeople, you are wrong on two accounts, no community property law with respect to children and (very high probably) no god – big G or little g.

      March 14, 2012 at 1:50 am |
  4. maine liberal

    folks on the left" are out there "trashing anybody who stands up for Christian conservative values, anybody who dares to actually teach their children faith in their home."

    Really Rick .... He told a crowd at a November campaign stop in Iowa in no uncertain terms, "our civil laws have to comport with a higher law: God's law."

    On Thanksgiving Day at an Iowa candidates' forum, he reiterated: "We have civil laws, but our civil laws have to comport with the higher law."

    March 13, 2012 at 1:16 pm |
  5. Brad

    People home school their children for a variety of reasons. I've mainly encountered it in young musicians whose parents want flexibility and high educational standards for them. But there are people who only want to ensure that their kid's indoctrination is safe from any sort of outside interference. A a socialist meddler I say we all have an interest in the education of the people who make up our society. Minimum educational standards should be enforced, including basic familiarity with ideas and cultural differences common in our society and the rest of the world.

    March 13, 2012 at 1:14 pm |
    • mrklrsn

      Brilliant. can I paraphrase? Believe what you want but at least have a basic understanding of all views.

      March 13, 2012 at 2:08 pm |
    • W247

      Brad – have you looked at a homeschool curriculum? Have you spoken with any homeschool families? I know quite a few, and all their children are very intelligent, highly educated young adults. I have a quite a few friends that are University educated that choose to stay at home and educate their children. I know home school kids that have been accepted and are now attending West Point. Recently friends of ours had their 3 oldest children compete in the state Chess championship, where one of them was the grand champion and the other two scored in the top 5 in their division.

      Just recently on Yahoo there was an article about a 14yo young lady who just went into real estate business with her mom, and yes, she is home schooled.

      SO STOP DISPARAGING HOME SCHOOLED FAMILIES!!!

      Just like in public schools, you can have BAD teachers and GOOD teachers, doesn't mean you through the whole system out.

      March 13, 2012 at 6:26 pm |
  6. Ungodly Discipline

    Fun with Catholics

    Crusades (1095-1291)

    • First Crusade: 1095 on command of pope Urban II. [WW11-41]
    • Semlin/Hungary 6/24/96 thousands slain. Wieselburg/Hungary 6/12/96 thousands. [WW23]
    • 9/9/96-9/26/96 Nikaia, Xerigordon (then turkish), thousands respectively. [WW25-27]
    • Until Jan 1098 a total of 40 capital cities and 200 castles conquered (number of slain unknown) [WW30]
    • after 6/3/98 Antiochia (then turkish) conquered, between 10,000 and 60,000 slain. 6/28/98 100,000 Turks (incl. women & children) killed. [WW32-35]
    Here the Christians "did no other harm to the women found in [the enemy's] tents—save that they ran their lances through their bellies," according to Christian chronicler Fulcher of Chartres. [EC60]
    • Marra (Maraat an-numan) 12/11/98 thousands killed. Because of the subsequent famine "the already stinking corpses of the enemies were eaten by the Christians" said chronicler Albert Aquensis. [WW36]
    • Jerusalem conquered 7/15/1099 more than 60,000 victims (jewish, muslim, men, women, children). [WW37-40]
    (In the words of one witness: "there [in front of Solomon's temple] was such a carnage that our people were wading ankle-deep in the blood of our foes", and after that "happily and crying for joy our people marched to our Savior’s tomb, to honor it and to pay off our debt of grat.i.tude")
    • The Archbishop of Tyre, eye-witness, wrote: "It was impossible to look upon the vast numbers of the slain without horror; everywhere lay fragments of human bodies, and the very ground was covered with the blood of the slain. It was not alone the spectacle of headless bodies and mutilated limbs strewn in all directions that roused the horror of all who looked upon them. Still more dreadful was it to gaze upon the victors themselves, dripping with blood from head to foot, an ominous sight which brought terror to all who met them. It is reported that within the Temple enclosure alone about ten thousand infidels perished." [TG79]
    • Christian chronicler Eckehard of Aura noted that "even the following summer in all of palestine the air was polluted by the stench of decomposition". One million victims of the first crusade alone. [WW41]
    • Battle of Askalon, 8/12/1099. 200,000 heathens slaughtered "in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ". [WW45]
    • Fourth crusade: 4/12/1204 Constantinople sacked, number of victims unknown, numerous thousands, many of them Christian. [WW141-148]
    • Rest of Crusades in less detail: until the fall of Akkon 1291 probably 20 million victims (in the Holy land and Arab/Turkish areas alone). [WW224]

    March 13, 2012 at 1:14 pm |
    • common sense

      Atheistic/Communist/Humanist Regimes: Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Ceaucescu...etc. Death toll: 100's of Millions...... Do your own research folks.

      March 13, 2012 at 1:29 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      @commen sense
      I am just pointing out some facts. You don't have to get all huffy. Plus I have pointed out only a tiny fraction of overall religious atrocities. The death toll is staggering. Additionally, if you would read your bible, you should be out there killing half the people in the country right now. You are a liar and a hypocrite.

      March 13, 2012 at 1:34 pm |
    • common sense

      @ Ungodly D: So you want to use a book you neither understand nor believe is true, to make a point about how I should be following parts of it that don't apply to me ?? Tell me how that makes sense to you?? Also, please tell me how the catholic church was representing the will of Jesus Christ to both intentionally and unintentionally kill people in the quest for land and natural resources? If you knew the bible so well, it would be obvious that Jesus would have an issue with the "goals" of the catholic church from the beginning to the present day.

      March 13, 2012 at 1:41 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      God's plan" is the way that Christians traditionally explain things like amputations, cancer, hurricanes and car accidents. For example, if a Christian dies a painful and tragic death because of cancer, she dies as part of God's plan. Her death has a purpose. God called her home for a reason. Even if something bad happens to a Christian, it is actually good because it is part of God's plan.

      You can see how pervasive "God's plan" is by looking in Christian inspirational literature. For example;

      Because God made you for a reason, he also decided when you would be born and how long you would live. He planned the days of your life in advance, choosing the exact time of your birth and death. The Bible says, "You saw me before I was born and scheduled each day of my life before I began to breathe. Every day was recorded in your book!" [Psalm 139:16]

      There is also this:

      Regardless of the circ.u.mstances of your birth or who your parents are, God had a plan in creating you.

      Under this view of the universe, God plans everything.
      Take a moment and think about this, "He planned the days of your life in advance, choosing the exact time of your birth and death." Let's examine one simple implication of this statement. What this means is that God has pre-planned every abortion that has taken place on our planet.

      If the concept of "God's plan" is true, you can first of all see that God wants us to be aborting children. Every single abortion is planned by God, so God must be doing it for a reason. Second, you can see that both the mother who requests the abortion and the doctor who performs it are blameless. Since it is God who planned the abortion of the child (God chose the "exact time" of the death, the mother and doctor are simply puppets who are fulfilling God's plan, are they not? What about all the Christians who are fighting against abortion? If abortion is part of God's plan, why are they fighting it? God is the all-powerful ruler of the universe, and his plan is for more than a million children a year to die in the United States through abortion.

      If God's plan is true, then each one of those abortions was meticulously planned by God.

      If God does not intend for us to perform abortions, is it then wrong that God has a plan? If God has a plan, is he not the direct cause of every abortion? Simply think it through, and you will begin to see the problems in this proposition.

      Think about Adolph Hit.ler. He was evil incarnate, and Hit.ler is well known for the atrocious things he did. What I would like you to do right now is to consider this statement: "Hit.ler is part of God's Plan." Think about this:

      He planned the days of your life in advance, choosing the exact time of your birth and death. The Bible says, "You saw me before I was born and scheduled each day of my life before I began to breathe. Every day was recorded in your book!" [Psalm 139:16]

      God never does anything accidentally, and he never makes mistakes. He has a reason for everything he creates. Every plant and every animal was planned by God, and every person was designed with a purpose in mind.

      If God has a divine plan for each of us, then he had a divine plan for Hit.ler too. It is when you stop to think about it deeply that the contradictions hit you.

      Now let's imagine that you say a prayer in this sort of universe. What difference does it make? God has his plan, and that plan is running down its track like a freight train. If God has a plan, then everyone who died in the Holocaust died for a reason. They had to die, and each death had meaning. Therefore, Holocaust victims could pray all day, and they would still die. The idea of a "plan" makes the idea of a "prayer-answering relationship with God" a contradiction, doesn't it? Yet Christians seem to attach themselves to both ideas, despite the irresolvable problem the two ideas create.

      Think about what God's plan means for you personally. If the plan happens to say that you will get hit by a bus tomorrow, or that terrorists will blow you up, or that you will be shot in the head four times, then that's what will happen. It would be the same with any disease. If you contract cancer this afternoon and die three months later, that is God's plan for you. Praying to cure the cancer is a waste. God plans for you to die, so you will die. He has pre-programmed the exact time of your death. There is nothing you can do to change the plan - no amount of prayer will help - because your death will have meaning and your death will cause side-effects that are also part of the plan.

      Who will you marry? You actually have no choice in the matter. God has pre-planned your wedding in minute detail. "God knew that those two individuals [your parents] possessed exactly the right genetic makeup to create the custom 'you' that he had in mind. They had the DNA God wanted to make you." Therefore, your spouse was pre-chosen by God for you so that you would create the children who are a part of his plan. You also have no choice in the number of children you will have - God has pre-planned their births.

      In addition, this sort of universe means that Hit.ler is blameless. Hit.ler was not "evil," because Hit.ler had no free will at all. Hit.ler was simply an actor forced to play his role in God's plan. God planned for millions of people to die in the Holocaust - he planned their deaths in exact detail. Hit.ler had to kill those people. Hit.ler was God's puppet in making that those millions of deaths happen right on schedule.

      In the same way then, every murderer is blameless. Since God has planned each of our deaths in exact detail, murderers are actually essential to God's plan. Why do we punish them? We should be rewarding them for doing their God-planned duty. What if you get r.a.p.ed tomorrow and get pregnant? God did that because he planned the exact time of that child's birth and death. God actually pre-planned your r.a.p.e, and the rapist was God's puppet. Rather than hating the rapist, we should celebrate God's plan.

      Do you believe that murderers and rapists should be rewarded? Do you believe that Hit.ler was sent by God to kill millions of people in the Holocaust? Do you believe that God is the direct cause of every abortion on this planet? Do you believe that you have no choice in your spouse or the number of children you have? Probably not. But that is what you are saying when you state that Hit.ler or cancer or anything else is part of "God's plan."

      If you think about it as an intelligent person, you will realize that the statement "It is part of God's plan" is one of those meaningless palliatives. When you sit down and think it through using your common sense, the statement makes no sense. That lack of sense shows us how imaginary God is.

      March 13, 2012 at 1:53 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      sorry, hitler was a christian, catholic to be exact. he praised god in his book, mein kompf several times. nazis wore belt buckles that said "God is with us". maybe YOU should do your research.

      and the difference is no one is killed in the name of atheism. there is no atheist handbook telling us to do evil, like the bible.

      March 13, 2012 at 1:54 pm |
    • *facepalm*

      @cs,
      Please provide even a hint of evidence that Pol Pot was an atheist.

      March 13, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
  7. plenty

    Maher was just telling a joke folks.

    March 13, 2012 at 1:10 pm |
    • SPA Knight

      If Maher was joking then perhaps another entertainer named Rush Limbaugh was as well eh? You can't have it both ways....

      March 13, 2012 at 2:47 pm |
  8. Give Me A Break

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. This country was founded on Freedoms.. no one has a right to tell another what to believe or not believe.

    Why don't we all just BE MATURE and realized some of us are Christians and have the right to freely exercise our rights... Some of us are not Christians .. are free to exercise their rights. Don't you think that it's time to be working on a solution to our problems, instead of being the problem. This is all Very PETTY!

    March 13, 2012 at 1:08 pm |
  9. common sense

    Wow. You people seem to know a lot about what Santorum and his wife teach his kids! Do you guys attend classes at the Santorum household? Bigotry is almost always displayed by those who use it as an accusation.

    March 13, 2012 at 12:40 pm |
    • William

      This blog exists so that people can come and leave their '.02 cents' worth on what they think of Christians.

      March 13, 2012 at 12:46 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      Christians ignore Jesus

      Christians are Liars

      Jesus made a number of very clear statements about money and wealth in the Bible. For example:

      Matthew 6:19
      Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal; but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

      Luke 14:33
      Any of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be my disciple.

      Matthew 6:24
      No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and Money.

      Matthew 19:21-24
      Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth. Then Jesus said to his disciples, "I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

      Matthew 19:28-29
      Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life.

      Luke 9:23-25
      Then he said to them all: "If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me. For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me will save it. What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, and yet lose or forfeit his very self?

      Matt 13: 22
      The one who received the seed that fell among the thorns is the man who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke it, making it unfruitful.

      Hebrews 13:5
      Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, "Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you."

      Phil 2:3
      Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourselves.

      Acts 2:44-45
      All the believers were together and had everything in common. Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need.

      The message is clear. If you want to follow Jesus, you need to "sell your possessions and give to the poor." It is a very simple message, and easy to do. Have you done it? The fact that you are reading this page would indicate that you have not. Chances are you own a computer, pay for an Internet connection every month, live in a home or apartment, have a car, etc. In other words, you live a life at a level of wealth unimaginable in Jesus' time. Meanwhile, billions of people on the planet live in startling, abject poverty.

      Why don't you sell everything and follow Jesus, as he requests in the Bible? The reason is simple: Jesus and God are imaginary, and you know it. If Jesus were real, you would do what he says.

      March 13, 2012 at 12:50 pm |
    • common sense

      @william: Yeah, and you dont see us rioting in the streets over bible burnings or people desecrating the image of Christ either.

      March 13, 2012 at 12:50 pm |
    • common sense

      @ Ungodly Discipline: You're just as bad as Joel Osteen preaching prosperity gospel. Poverty gospel is as much of a blasphemy. You want to sit at your computer and then tell everyone else that they should sell their computer and other earthly belongings so they can be as pious and faithful as you?? You're the sinful one you self-righteous pharisee! You think you're better than everyone else because of your works?? YOURE A HIPOCRIT!! You make me sick and to call yourself a christian makes me even more disgusted. You dont know God, you only know your works and self-righeous false piety. You're disgusting.

      March 13, 2012 at 12:56 pm |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      @Ungodly D – Apparently you touched a nerve. LOL.

      March 13, 2012 at 1:02 pm |
    • common sense

      @Ungodly Discipline: You know I just realized you weren't a christian, but your false piety is still disgusting. You want to quote bible verses out of context, start bending scripture and start commanding Christians to do what you think is right? Who do you think you are? You're self-righteousness is disgusting. You think your morality is absolute truth? No matter what you do or say makes you no better than anybody, christian or non-christian

      March 13, 2012 at 1:03 pm |
    • Info

      common sense,

      Evangelical Rule of Thumb: If a bible verse furthers the cause, it is to be taken literally. If a bible verse is detrimental to the cause, it is either: taken out of context; is allegorical; refers to another verse somewhere else; is an ancient cultural anomaly; is a translation or copyist's error; means something other than what it actually says; Is a mystery of god or not discernible by humans; or is just plain magic.

      March 13, 2012 at 1:07 pm |
    • Ummmm

      "You're just as bad as Joel Osteen preaching prosperity gospel. Poverty gospel is as much of a blasphemy. You want to sit at your computer and then tell everyone else that they should sell their computer and other earthly belongings so they can be as pious and faithful as you?? You're the sinful one you self-righteous pharisee! "

      The God in the bible destroyed whole towns because of their greed and not taking care of those in need. It might help if you actually read the bible first before spewing your nonsense.

      March 13, 2012 at 1:09 pm |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      @Common Sense – LET's Religiousity Law #3 – If you habitually spout off verses from your "holy" book to make whatever inane point you're trying to make, and not once does it occur to you to question whether your book is accurate in the first place, then you are definitely mentally retarded.

      March 13, 2012 at 1:13 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      @commen sense
      Ahhh....where is your commen sense? I am an athiest. This is what YOU believe stupid.

      March 13, 2012 at 1:15 pm |
    • Liberal Idiot

      @ Ummm: Please, do tell of these towns that were destroyed for that exact reason as you cited in your assertion. I'm looking for towns in the old testament that were expressly destroyed for not taking care of those who are in need. Just that reason and none else. Secondly, Jesus doesn't condemn those who have money. Money is a tool and can be used for Good. Dont you think God might just give money to some people to be used for helping others? If all Christians were poor and homeless, how exactly do we fund ministries, charities, relief efforts etc. ?? Makes it kinda hard doesn't it. We are to steward what we are given. Making ourselves poor doesn't automatically make us righteous....JESUS makes you righteous. That is the bible. Dont be arrogant and tell me I dont know what the bible says.

      March 13, 2012 at 1:18 pm |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      @Info – Thanks! That is now "LET's Religiousity Law #4" I'm an intel analyst... I'm not above plagiarizing, LOL.

      March 13, 2012 at 1:18 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      @commen sense
      I just realized that you just realized I am an athiest. Why do you think I care what christians do? I don't care what you do. I am just pointing out that you are all liars and hypocrites. If you don't like it, change. If you really believe in Jesus, why don't you follow his teachings?

      March 13, 2012 at 1:20 pm |
    • Info

      LET,

      Heh, well, I plagiarized it from @David Johnson, just to be official (with his long-ago permission, I might add).

      March 13, 2012 at 1:22 pm |
    • common sense

      @ungodly disc.: Really? Only Christians are hipocrits? I will come out publicly and admit I'm a hypocrite. And guess what so are you and every other person on the face of the earth. The fact that you can't admit it makes you a hypocrite AND a liar. Next time you're feeling all fuzzy and perfect inside, remember that you're just as imperfect, hipocritical, bigoted and judgemental as everyone else on this planet. No one can follow Jesus' teachings to a tee. You want to sit there and tell me to be perfect as Jesus was? Its impossible. That's why the bible teaches GRACE. You want to sit in your Ivory tower and tell Christians to be perfect, will go ahead, give it a shot. I'll wait till your next reply to confirm that you are in fact a hypocrite and IMPERFECT.

      March 13, 2012 at 1:27 pm |
    • Rick

      Common sense-Do you believe Jesus is the one true God?

      March 13, 2012 at 1:29 pm |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      @Common Sense – Chill bro, your gonna stroke out. Remember, this is an opinion board, and everyone is allowed to have one.

      March 13, 2012 at 1:30 pm |
  10. LeeCMH

    Here are some of Santorum Madrassa lesson plans.
    1. How to hate gays while saying "we love them."
    2. Fighting for space in public places, then fighting others to keep them from the same places.
    3. Reviewing the 15 (crash – oops) 10, yes 10 commandments.
    4. Nailing yourself on your cross in less than five minutes.
    5. The flat earth then and now.
    6. How to use government to threaten with elimination anyone who espouses an heliocentric solar system.
    7. Creative sneering and hateful gesturing at gay pride parades.
    8. Choice of weaponry to use on abortion providers.
    9. Intelligent design: bring your Bibles to review Biblical Creation.
    10. How did all this get here in just 6000 years.

    March 13, 2012 at 12:33 pm |
    • Deco

      Those are your lesson plans you troll

      March 13, 2012 at 12:45 pm |
  11. HotAirAce

    While Maher's comments may not be pretty, all he is really saying is "the emperor has no clothes." The fact is there is not a single shred of independent, verifiable, objective or factual evidence for god, the jesus god myth and what a presidential wanna be has made a major point of his candidacy. Santorum (and Gingrich to a lesser extent) made religion an issue – now they have to live with the consequences.

    March 13, 2012 at 12:32 pm |
    • I_Hate_Atheists

      I didn't realize you had all of the answers. Can you explain how matter became lving matter? Why we exist?

      March 13, 2012 at 12:44 pm |
    • Christian Idiot

      I will vote for the candidate with the larger invisible rabbit by his side. Thats how my father did it and his father before him. The tricky part is asking the right questions of the candidate to find out how tall his rabbit really is. You have to be smart and ask things like "How many invisible carrots do you go through in a week?" or "Does your rabbit have to duck when entering the room?"...

      March 13, 2012 at 12:48 pm |
    • jimtanker

      IHA,

      You just gave to completely idiotic questions. Abiogenisis has nothing to do with what is being talked about. There doesnt have to be a "why" we are here. If you really need an answer to the why question it is simple. We are here to pass on our genetic material to the next generation and propogate our species. Just like every other species on Earth.

      March 13, 2012 at 12:58 pm |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      According to the United States National Academy of Sciences,

      The formal scientific definition of theory is quite different from the everyday meaning of the word. It refers to a comprehensive explanation of some aspect of nature that is supported by a vast body of evidence. Many scientific theories are so well established that no new evidence is likely to alter them substantially. For example, no new evidence will demonstrate that the Earth does not orbit around the sun (heliocentric theory), or that living things are not made of cells (cell theory), that matter is not composed of atoms, or that the surface of the Earth is not divided into solid plates that have moved over geological timescales (the theory of plate tectonics). One of the most useful properties of scientific theories is that they can be used to make predictions about natural events or phenomena that have not yet been observed.[13]

      According to this definition, a theory must be well supported by evidence. Furthermore, the term theory would not be appropriate for describing untested but intricate hypotheses or even scientific models. Consumers of science may find the above definition useful when evaluating the validity and/or efficacy of a theory.

      March 13, 2012 at 12:58 pm |
    • Liberal Idiot

      @christian idiot: I think this November I will vote for the candidate that has enabled a record amount of people to suck off the system and be a drag on the economy. I will vote for the candidate that has raised the national dept per capita more than any president in history. I will vote for the candidate that has continued to enabled people to kill their unborn children and forced the tax payers to pay for it. I will vote for the candidate that has seen gas prices rise to over $4.00 a gallon in his term. I will vote for a candidate that continually apologizes for defending his country from foreign enemies past and present. I will vote for the candidate that has broken more campaign promises and bedded more corporate lobbyists and special interests than any other president in history. In our savior Barack we trust.

      March 13, 2012 at 1:11 pm |
    • GodPot

      Since Christians have such a hard time understanding the difference between scientific theory and general theory, maybe we should invent a new word for them. The word "theory" is a polyseme, which means it is is a word or phrase with different, but related senses, which apparently is too complicated for Christians to understand. So why not just create a new word that describes their faith more accurately... Let's see, we already have a bunch of fitting words: anecdote, fiction, concoction, crock, drama, fable, fabrication, falsehood, fancy, fantasy, fib, figment of imagination, fish story, hooey, imagination, improvisation, invention, legend, lie, misrepresentation, myth, narrative, novel, potboiler, prevarication, storytelling, tale, tall story, terminological inexactltude, untruth, whopper, work of imagination, yarn...I'm guessing that they won't like any of those. So how about a new word: Concrockrication? Fantasamyth? Terminological liars? You Christians get to pick, only word off limits is "theory" because of how you have misused and misrepresented it.

      March 13, 2012 at 1:13 pm |
    • Christian Idiot

      Methinks I struck a nerve...Thats the only explanation for Liberal Idiots blatant lies. It's always with a red screaming angry face that people respond when you hit the nail on their head.

      March 13, 2012 at 1:18 pm |
    • Liberal Idiot

      @: Christian idiot: Right...Right. Because you never ever respond with emotion or displeasure. You're perfect aren't you? With a perfect little temper and a perfect little self-righteous demeanor right? Who was I to offend you in your perfection?

      March 13, 2012 at 1:20 pm |
    • Christian Idiot

      Well if you are not screaming and yelling, please tell me how to tell which invisible rabbit is bigger or stronger or which one actually exists? You do get the point right? This analogy isn't going over your head is it? Maybe you can ask your personal invisible rabbit to jump up and catch it.

      March 13, 2012 at 1:25 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      @I_Hate_Atheists

      I did not say I have all the answers. Your questions are not relevant to whether or not there are any gods. If there are no gods, much of what Santorum says is complete bullsh!t and he may be mentally ill. Do you want a mentally ill person to be your president? Again, he dragged religion onto the table – it is perfectly acceptable to say "Prove that the foundation of your core beliefs is true."

      March 13, 2012 at 2:07 pm |
    • captain america

      Since you are not a citizen of the USA, your opinion concerning our politics must be viewed as less than warmed over dog sh it. There's your sign

      March 13, 2012 at 2:10 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      Captain Asshole, as previously suggested, I'd like to see you test the USA's greatness, and your personal courage, by wrapping yourself in an American flag and going for a stroll in Afghanistan. That would be even more entertaining if you were to hang a great big cross around your neck. Don't worry, your buddy jesus will protect you...

      March 13, 2012 at 2:41 pm |
  12. TheRationale

    Perhaps he does the homeschooling to avoid having to teach them about evolution? Sad that we have what, 3? 3 presidential candidates who would fail high school biology.

    Pathetic excuse for a leader.

    March 13, 2012 at 12:29 pm |
    • *facepalm*

      This alone doesn't bother me. I don't care if the president is clueless on the matters of science. But when they start making policy based on that ignorance, that's when we get ourselves into real trouble.

      March 13, 2012 at 12:32 pm |
    • common sense

      Oh you mean the THEORY of evolution? The THEORY of how ALL LIFE on earth came from lightning hitting a puddle of goo and somehow evolved into the complexity we see today? That's why they call it a theory, because its never been observed and therefore is only theoretical with little to no evidence. Hardly worthy of being called verifiable science.

      March 13, 2012 at 12:38 pm |
    • a person of the Name

      Well seeing how evolution, is a theory. I see no problem with it. I was raised in public schools and my wife and my brother-in-law was home schooled. wasn't much difference between the two. They learned about evolution but as a theory.

      March 13, 2012 at 12:39 pm |
    • jimtanker

      Wow, two more clueless people who don’t have a clue as to what a scientific theory is. I guess you two would fail in science class too.

      Hmmmm, theory of gravity, the theory that the sun is the center of the solar system, and on and on.

      A theory is the best explanation given the information at hand. Evolution has been proven over and over again with reams and reams of evidence. You know, evidence. That thing that you have none for that supports the existence of your god or jesus.

      March 13, 2012 at 12:55 pm |
    • haha

      The common use of the word theory and how it is used in science is quite different. The disease cancer is technically a theory too but since it does not make people question their self worth it is not an issue. (Interesting though since cancer is technically a cell evolving)

      March 13, 2012 at 12:57 pm |
    • a person of the Name

      Well, I have my evidence from God. Though you can see minor evidence through evolution. That the theory is completely correct. I'm sorry but a dog only has other dogs. A monkey only has other monkeys. Ppl only have ppl.

      March 13, 2012 at 1:02 pm |
    • I'm The Best!

      @ common sense
      I don't think you understand the difference between a scientific theory and peoples everyday use of the word. In science, if someone uses the word theory, its based off of countless facts and observations and is the best idea that accounts for all those facts and observations. And since god has never been shown as fact nor has he ever been observed, creationism is a very bad theory, whereas evolution is a very good theory and most likely completely true.

      March 13, 2012 at 1:03 pm |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      And a Lion and a Tiger gets you a Liger. And if you combine aluminium magnesium boride you get AlMgB14, a ceramic alloy that is highly resistive to wear and has a low coefficient of sliding friction. You suck at arguing your point.

      March 13, 2012 at 1:09 pm |
    • *facepalm*

      "Oh you mean the THEORY of evolution? "

      Yup. Kinda like the THEORY of gravity. Or the THEORY of electromagnetism. Lemme guess – its the hand of god holding you to the earth and little tiny angels allow you to post on these blogs, right?

      March 13, 2012 at 2:34 pm |
    • TheRationale

      My point is shown in the people who are arguing here on this forum against me.

      The people arguing against evolution here are clearly uneducated in the topic and have been led astray by religious and political demagogues and fanatics. None of the popular objections raised here is an indication of anything other than improper or lack of education.

      This is a country that brought the world Microsoft, Apple, and Google, is home of the Ivy League, MIT, Stanford, et al., and put some fellows on the moon half a century ago.

      Yet this persistence on upholding what can only be called ignorance is not only an international embarrassment but a disservice to the children being educated by our schools. You cannot compete scientifically as a nation or as an individual if you have a government that allows for complete garbage to be taught in place of or alongside of evolution.

      Intelligent Design and creationism are not even scientific theories to begin with. That is to say, even if we had no clue about evolution, the two would be not an inch more relevant.

      March 13, 2012 at 3:12 pm |
  13. Reality

    What Rick should teach his children during their home school religion classes:

    For those K-8,

    • There was probably no Abraham i.e. the foundations of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are non-existent.

    • There was probably no Moses i.e the pillars of Judaism, Christianity and Islam have no strength of purpose.

    • There was no Gabriel i.e. Islam fails as a religion. Christianity partially fails.

    • There was no Easter i.e. Christianity completely fails as a religion.

    • There was no Moroni i.e. Mormonism is nothing more than a business cult.

    • Sacred/revered cows, monkey gods, castes, reincarnations and therefore Hinduism fails as a religion.

    • Fat Buddhas here, skinny Buddhas there, reincarnated Buddhas everywhere makes for a no on Buddhism.

    For those 9-12:

    1. origin: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20E1EFE35540C7A8CDDAA0894DA404482

    “New Torah For Modern Minds

    Abraham, the Jewish patriarch, probably never existed. Nor did Moses. The entire Exodus story as recounted in the Bible probably never occurred. The same is true of the tumbling of the walls of Jericho. And David, far from being the fearless king who built Jerusalem into a mighty capital, was more likely a provincial leader whose reputation was later magnified to provide a rallying point for a fledgling nation.

    Such startling propositions – the product of findings by archaeologists digging in Israel and its environs over the last 25 years – have gained wide acceptance among non-Orthodox rabbis. But there has been no attempt to disseminate these ideas or to discuss them with the laity – until now.

    The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, which represents the 1.5 million Conservative Jews in the United States, has just issued a new Torah and commentary, the first for Conservatives in more than 60 years. Called "Etz Hayim" ("Tree of Life" in Hebrew), it offers an interpretation that incorporates the latest findings from archaeology, philology, anthropology and the study of ancient cultures. To the editors who worked on the book, it represents one of the boldest efforts ever to introduce into the religious mainstream a view of the Bible as a human rather than divine docu-ment. “

    2. Jesus was an illiterate Jewish peasant/carpenter/simple preacher man who suffered from hallucinations (or “mythicizing” from P, M, M, L and J) and who has been characterized anywhere from the Messiah from Nazareth to a mythical character from mythical Nazareth to a ma-mzer from Nazareth (Professor Bruce Chilton, in his book Rabbi Jesus). An-alyses of Jesus’ life by many contemporary NT scholars (e.g. Professors Ludemann, Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen, ) via the NT and related doc-uments have concluded that only about 30% of Jesus' sayings and ways noted in the NT were authentic. The rest being embellishments (e.g. miracles)/hallucinations made/had by the NT authors to impress various Christian, Jewish and Pagan sects.

    The 30% of the NT that is "authentic Jesus" like everything in life was borrowed/plagiarized and/or improved from those who came before. In Jesus' case, it was the ways and sayings of the Babylonians, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, Hitt-ites, Canaanites, OT, John the Baptizer and possibly the ways and sayings of traveling Greek Cynics.

    earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html

    For added "pizzazz", Catholic theologians divided god the singularity into three persons and invented atonement as an added guilt trip for the "pew people" to go along with this trinity of overseers. By doing so, they made god the padre into god the "filicider".

    Current RCC problems:

    Pedophiliac priests, an all-male, mostly white hierarchy, atonement theology and original sin!!!!

    2 b., Luther, Calvin, Joe Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley, Roger Williams, the Great “Babs” et al, founders of Christian-based religions or combination religions also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingie thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immacu-late co-nceptions).

    Current problems:
    Adulterous preachers, pedophiliac clerics, "propheteering/ profiteering" evangelicals and atonement theology,

    3. Mohammed was an illiterate, womanizing, lust and greed-driven, warmongering, hallucinating Arab, who also had embellishing/hallucinating/plagiarizing scribal biographers who not only added "angels" and flying chariots to the koran but also a militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-believers.

    This agenda continues as shown by the ma-ssacre in Mumbai, the as-sas-sinations of Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh, the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the Islamic bombers of the trains in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani “koranics”, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases, the Taliban nut jobs, the Ft. Hood follower of the koran, and the Filipino “koranics”.

    And who funds this muck and stench of terror? The warmongering, Islamic, Shiite terror and torture theocracy of Iran aka the Third Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia.

    Current crises:

    The Sunni-Shiite blood feud and the warmongering, womanizing (11 wives), hallucinating founder.

    4. Hinduism (from an online Hindu site) – "Hinduism cannot be described as an organized religion. It is not founded by any individual. Hinduism is God centered and therefore one can call Hinduism as founded by God, because the answer to the question ‘Who is behind the eternal principles and who makes them work?’ will have to be ‘Cosmic power, Divine power, God’."

    The caste/laborer system, reincarnation and cow worship/reverence are problems when saying a fair and rational God founded Hinduism."

    Current problems:

    The caste system, reincarnation and cow worship/reverence.

    5. Buddhism- "Buddhism began in India about 500 years before the birth of Christ. The people living at that time had become disillusioned with certain beliefs of Hinduism including the caste system, which had grown extremely complex. The number of outcasts (those who did not belong to any particular caste) was continuing to grow."

    "However, in Buddhism, like so many other religions, fanciful stories arose concerning events in the life of the founder, Siddhartha Gautama (fifth century B.C.):"

    Archaeological discoveries have proved, beyond a doubt, his historical character, but apart from the legends we know very little about the circu-mstances of his life. e.g. Buddha by one legend was supposedly talking when he came out of his mother's womb.

    Bottom line: There are many good ways of living but be aware of the hallucinations, embellishments, lies, and myths surrounding the founders and foundations of said rules of life.

    Then, apply the Five F rule: "First Find the Flaws, then Fix the Foundations". And finally there will be religious peace and religious awareness in the world!!!!!

    March 13, 2012 at 12:26 pm |
    • William

      Reality-Do you teach your children everything other than Faith and Philosophy? Now, please tell how does your child grow up to be a well rounded individual?

      March 13, 2012 at 12:32 pm |
    • Deco

      Your tripe stinks of flawed reasoning.

      March 13, 2012 at 12:47 pm |
    • I_Hate_Atheists

      I bet you silly atheist believe Socrates exists there isn't one shred of evidence that Socrates was nothing more than a pen name for Plato. Yet you believe he exists because atheists are nothing but a bunch of hate filled self righteous, racists (Eugenics invited by atheists), murderous (Stalin, Pol Pot Chairman Mao, Castro) Contrarians.

      March 13, 2012 at 12:49 pm |
    • GodPot

      You might want to change your name to "I Hate Reason & logic" or maybe go with "I Love Ignorance & Myself".

      By the way, there are no atheists who hang the whole of their existence on Socrates having lived. They read his philosophy and consider it against all of the other information they have gathered to explore the bounderies of our universe and continue the search with an open mind. Very different from the Christian version which is being told "The bible is fact and nothing contradictory can be true so there is no use in even researching it."

      March 13, 2012 at 12:57 pm |
    • Ummmm

      "I bet you silly atheist believe Socrates exists there isn't one shred of evidence that Socrates was nothing more than a pen name for Plato. Yet you believe he exists because atheists are nothing but a bunch of hate filled self righteous, racists (Eugenics invited by atheists), murderous (Stalin, Pol Pot Chairman Mao, Castro) Contrarians."

      Yo, moron, you did exactly what you were condemning. Oh, and by the way.....religion has killed more people on this planet, 480 million, so it might help if you stopped being so lazy an actually did your research.

      March 13, 2012 at 1:12 pm |
    • Reality

      For the newbies:

      What Rick should teach his children during their home school religion classes:

      For those grades K-8,

      • There was probably no Abraham i.e. the foundations of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are non-existent.

      • There was probably no Moses i.e the pillars of Judaism, Christianity and Islam have no strength of purpose.

      • There was no Gabriel i.e. Islam fails as a religion. Christianity partially fails.

      • There was no Easter i.e. Christianity completely fails as a religion.

      • There was no Moroni i.e. Mormonism is nothing more than a business cult.

      • Sacred/revered cows, monkey gods, castes, reincarnations and therefore Hinduism fails as a religion.

      • Fat Buddhas here, skinny Buddhas there, reincarnated Buddhas everywhere makes for a no on Buddhism.

      For those in grades 9-12:

      1. origin: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20E1EFE35540C7A8CDDAA0894DA404482

      “New Torah For Modern Minds

      Abraham, the Jewish patriarch, probably never existed. Nor did Moses. The entire Exodus story as recounted in the Bible probably never occurred. The same is true of the tumbling of the walls of Jericho. And David, far from being the fearless king who built Jerusalem into a mighty capital, was more likely a provincial leader whose reputation was later magnified to provide a rallying point for a fledgling nation.

      Such startling propositions – the product of findings by archaeologists digging in Israel and its environs over the last 25 years – have gained wide acceptance among non-Orthodox rabbis. But there has been no attempt to disseminate these ideas or to discuss them with the laity – until now.

      The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, which represents the 1.5 million Conservative Jews in the United States, has just issued a new Torah and commentary, the first for Conservatives in more than 60 years. Called "Etz Hayim" ("Tree of Life" in Hebrew), it offers an interpretation that incorporates the latest findings from archaeology, philology, anthropology and the study of ancient cultures. To the editors who worked on the book, it represents one of the boldest efforts ever to introduce into the religious mainstream a view of the Bible as a human rather than divine docu-ment. “

      2. Jesus was an illiterate Jewish peasant/carpenter/simple preacher man who suffered from hallucinations (or “mythicizing” from P, M, M, L and J) and who has been characterized anywhere from the Messiah from Nazareth to a mythical character from mythical Nazareth to a ma-mzer from Nazareth (Professor Bruce Chilton, in his book Rabbi Jesus). An-alyses of Jesus’ life by many contemporary NT scholars (e.g. Professors Ludemann, Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen, ) via the NT and related doc-uments have concluded that only about 30% of Jesus' sayings and ways noted in the NT were authentic. The rest being embellishments (e.g. miracles)/hallucinations made/had by the NT authors to impress various Christian, Jewish and Pagan sects.

      The 30% of the NT that is "authentic Jesus" like everything in life was borrowed/plagiarized and/or improved from those who came before. In Jesus' case, it was the ways and sayings of the Babylonians, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, Hitt-ites, Canaanites, OT, John the Baptizer and possibly the ways and sayings of traveling Greek Cynics.

      earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html

      For added "pizzazz", Catholic theologians divided god the singularity into three persons and invented atonement as an added guilt trip for the "pew people" to go along with this trinity of overseers. By doing so, they made god the padre into god the "filicider".

      Current RCC problems:

      Pedophiliac priests, an all-male, mostly white hierarchy, atonement theology and original sin!!!!

      2 b., Luther, Calvin, Joe Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley, Roger Williams, the Great “Babs” et al, founders of Christian-based religions or combination religions also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingie thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immacu-late co-nceptions).

      Current problems:
      Adulterous preachers, pedophiliac clerics, "propheteering/ profiteering" evangelicals and atonement theology,

      3. Mohammed was an illiterate, womanizing, lust and greed-driven, warmongering, hallucinating Arab, who also had embellishing/hallucinating/plagiarizing scribal biographers who not only added "angels" and flying chariots to the koran but also a militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-believers.

      This agenda continues as shown by the ma-ssacre in Mumbai, the as-sas-sinations of Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh, the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the Islamic bombers of the trains in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani “koranics”, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases, the Taliban nut jobs, the Ft. Hood follower of the koran, and the Filipino “koranics”.

      And who funds this muck and stench of terror? The warmongering, Islamic, Shiite terror and torture theocracy of Iran aka the Third Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia.

      Current crises:

      The Sunni-Shiite blood feud (e.g. Syria) and the warmongering, womanizing (11 wives), hallucinating founder.

      March 13, 2012 at 3:15 pm |
    • Reality

      A recommended prayer for Rick S and his children to be said after each home school class:

      From The Apostles' Creed 2011: (updated by yours truly and based on the studies of historians and theologians of the past 200 years and initiated by my children's interest in religion)

      Should I believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
      and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
      human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven??

      I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
      preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
      named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
      girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)

      Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
      the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

      He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
      a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of
      Jerusalem.

      Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
      many semi-fiction writers. A descent into Hell, a bodily resurrection
      and ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
      Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
      grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
      and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
      called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

      Amen
      (references used are available upon request)

      March 13, 2012 at 3:19 pm |
  14. Tallulah13

    As much as I hate to admit it, I think that people have the right to home school, no matter their motives. I think that nothing good comes from isolating children at a time when they are developing their social skills, but as long as it is legal, it is not my business. (If only the christian right would offer the same consideration when it comes to respecting privacy and legal rights.)

    March 13, 2012 at 12:12 pm |
    • RT

      Our children were home-schooled for several years, and we are often branded as socialist-liberals by those who hate anyone who is not conservative. All three children have grown up to attend universities with honors, and one of them also served in Iraq for two tours (all are in their twenties now). Oh, and they were raised in a household that believes in God, but that God has empowered the individual with reason.

      March 13, 2012 at 12:34 pm |
    • GodPot

      "as long as it is legal, it is not my business." I will agree, though I think that not providing a well rounded comprehensive education to children should be illegal.

      March 13, 2012 at 12:35 pm |
    • Nonimus

      I agree that he has every right to home-school his children and, if done properly, they can even get a better education, although I think that is very rare.

      However, I would be skeptical of most politicians who do not put their children through the very public school system that they are indirectly responsible for and which all less fortunate children must attend.

      March 13, 2012 at 1:18 pm |
  15. William Demuth

    I think time will show this is a critical issue.

    A society must share some basics threads to remain united.

    While we may debate the specifics, I am curious if anyone believes that NOT having the government regulate education would be a better world?

    No taxes for schooling, and the burden of education rests only with the parents?

    March 13, 2012 at 12:11 pm |
  16. Doc Vestibule

    CHRISTIAN HOME SCHOOL TEST

    1) Name the force by which terrestrial bodies tend to fall toward the center of the earth.
    a) Heaviness
    b) Gravity
    c) Goddidit
    d) None of the above

    2) Why are there seasons?
    a) the earth rotates around the sun
    b) the sun rotatates around the earth
    c) goddidit
    d) volcanic eruptiosn

    3) Why are there eathquakes?
    a) plate tectonics
    b) atmospheric disturbances
    c) goddidit
    d) none of the above

    4. What is the answer to life, the universe, and everything.
    a) 42
    b) Darwin
    c) Goddidit
    d) None of the above

    I aced it and didn't even have to study!

    March 13, 2012 at 12:05 pm |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      b a a a – sheep noise. coincidence? also, kudos to Doc for the Douglas Adams reference. LOL.

      March 13, 2012 at 12:15 pm |
  17. The M in Maher stands for madrassa

    Why else would he be so fascinated by that term?!?

    March 13, 2012 at 12:00 pm |
    • Quipping Q

      u mean like a madrassa maher?

      March 13, 2012 at 12:02 pm |
    • common sense

      The B in Bill Maher stands for Bigotry. Because he can't see his own while pointing out the supposed bigotry of others.

      March 13, 2012 at 12:03 pm |
    • William

      Bill Maher (Bigotted madrassa ), sounds about right.

      Yo Bigot change that name of yours.

      March 13, 2012 at 12:07 pm |
    • GodPot

      "Because he can't see his own while pointing out the supposed bigotry of others."

      Bigot – One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

      Yes, Bill Maher is intolerant of bigots, but being intolerant of intolerance is something to be proud of.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:27 pm |
  18. Hypatia

    The truth may hurt, Ricky but it's ok. Just offer it up as a sacrifice to God and bless your detractors.

    March 13, 2012 at 11:57 am |
  19. Jack

    Leviticus 20:13 teaches Christians to kill gay people. You don't believe me. Go read it. Its in their bible. How can a mainstream religion espouse the killing of a group of people?

    March 13, 2012 at 11:33 am |
    • jimtanker

      Not only that, why are these xtians not out doing what their god commands them to do? Why are they not stoning their childeren for misbehaving? Why are they not kiIIing a woman if she is not a vlrgin on her wedding night?

      March 13, 2012 at 11:42 am |
    • common sense

      Its easy to pick and choose huh? Maybe you should study the bible in context just like any other ancient text....

      March 13, 2012 at 12:04 pm |
    • Free

      Did you know it also talks about wiping out entire nations. Read more of the Bible, but I'm sure you don't
      kow why God did it.

      March 13, 2012 at 12:05 pm |
    • Reality

      Did not the NT do away with all that is in the OT/Torah?

      March 13, 2012 at 12:25 pm |
    • *facepalm*

      @common sense,

      Please provide the context that makes stoning children and beating slaves to death moral.

      Saying that 'you don't understand the context' just means that you completely miss the point.

      March 13, 2012 at 12:36 pm |
    • common sense

      Go read the ENTIRE bible, in its context and its WHOLE meaning. Then you'll understand these parts of scripture.

      March 13, 2012 at 12:44 pm |
    • @youignantdotcom

      "Go read the ENTIRE bible, in its context and its WHOLE meaning. Then you'll understand these parts of scripture."

      The only problem is the bible was written by many different people, thus certain passages contradict each other.

      March 13, 2012 at 2:22 pm |
    • *facepalm*

      Given that you COMPLETELY dodged the question, I'll just assume that you don't know. Thanks for proving your god is evil and you can't rationalize that fact away.

      March 13, 2012 at 2:28 pm |
  20. GodPot

    "trashing anybody who stands up for Christian conservative values, anybody who dares to actually teach their children faith in their home."

    If liberals were taking their kid's out of school so they could keep them at home and teach them the "benefit's" of drug addiction or try to convince them that the earth was flat and that everyone out in the world was just lying to them, or tried to force their children into opposite gender roles or same gender relationships the Christian "Right" would shlt a brick.

    Instead it is the Christian right who often keep their kid's at home away from any of that evil "science" and logical thinking and critical analysis which tends to shrink a believers faith. They do not want their children to make up their own minds, they want to poison the well early and never let their children taste the clean water of truth.

    March 13, 2012 at 11:23 am |
    • George Washington

      There is no such thing as a Christian "conservative". Christ was anything but conservative.

      March 13, 2012 at 11:26 am |
    • common sense

      Just so you know, there are scientists who are Christian, and Muslim and Jewish etc. The father of genetics was Gregor Mendel....a chrsitian monk.

      March 13, 2012 at 12:02 pm |
    • RT

      George Washington–amen to that! Jesus was considered very radical in his day and broke from traditions claiming that church leaders were misinterpreting God's will and profiting in God's name. He also demonstrated that a person can be fair, compassionate, tolerant, believe in equality of men and women and all classes, and share one's wealth or whatever they have in abundance with others less fortunate.

      March 13, 2012 at 12:50 pm |
    • Nonimus

      It's not teaching "faith in their home" that is the problem, I have no issue with that. It's teaching bad science in their home that I disagree with. Although the primary victims are their own children, with enough numbers, eventually, it impacts the labor force and the economy.

      March 13, 2012 at 1:24 pm |
    • SPA Knight

      Liberals have the same rights and conservatives. They are able to teach their own children whatever they want. What bothers you is the freedom thing. You want to control another person's life but with individual freedoms you cannot and that seems to bug you. If public schools were not hostile to christianity but tolerant as they claim to be, then there would be no issue.

      When my daughter was in public school, she was asked to write a paper about a person she most admired and she picked Pope John Paul II. Her teacher objected while other students selected other historical figures like Ghandi, Bill Clinton and Richard Dawkins. She opted to proceed anyway and suffered the consequence of a losy grade due to the prejudice of a so called open minded public school teacher. My daughter graduated 6th in her class so it had nothing to do with the quality of her work.

      March 13, 2012 at 3:23 pm |
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