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Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams to step down
March 16th, 2012
08:10 AM ET

Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams to step down

London (CNN) – Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams, head of the 85 million-member worldwide Anglican Communion, announced Friday he will step down from his post at the end of the year.

Williams has been archbishop of Canterbury, the top role in the Church of England, for 10 years.

He has accepted the position of master of Magdalene College at Cambridge University, starting in January, a statement on his website said.

Read the full story on the Archbishop of Canterbury's resignation
- CNN Belief Blog

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  1. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things
    Proven
    powerful

    March 20, 2012 at 7:34 am |
    • Jesus

      You've been proven a liar over and over again on this blog. A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested Friday morning...

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      Plus don't forget. The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!! .. .. .. ... .. .

      March 20, 2012 at 8:34 am |
  2. Urafkntool

    They may put an African in his place. Disgusting. England is a wh-ite country, and Anglicanism, while I don't agree with the premise in which the Church of England was founded, is still a whi-te belief.

    March 19, 2012 at 7:40 pm |
  3. Prayer changes things

    Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    March 19, 2012 at 7:20 pm |
    • Jesus

      "Prayer changes things"

      You've been proven a liar over and over again on this blog. A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested Friday morning...

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      Plus don't forget. The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!! .. .. .. ...

      March 19, 2012 at 9:45 pm |
  4. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer really changes things .

    March 19, 2012 at 7:38 am |
    • Jesus

      You've been proven a liar over and over again on this blog. A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested Friday morning...

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      Plus don't forget. The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!!.

      March 19, 2012 at 8:05 am |
  5. Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

    "I will skeptically sit back and...blah, blah, blah."

    I can see you in your broken-down La-Z-Boy recliner; you know, the one with the cat pee on it, stuffing spilling out of it, 'analyzing skeptically'. With a beer in one hand and a bag of Doritos in the other.

    Yeah, you're 'skeptically analyzing', all right. With all 3 of your working brain cells.

    March 17, 2012 at 11:09 pm |
    • Keith

      So according to you and the utopia you live in, Israel did not bomb a Syrian nuclear reactor and the key components thereof, which came from North Korea on a ship with the manifest saying the cargo was "cement". The IAF did not kill Russian advisors who were manning the SA 300 anti-aircraft missiles trying to shoot them down. The IAF did not drop it's external fuel tanks in Turkey when they flew out of Syria. The media did not supress the event. And the US Congress did not demand an explanation of the event from the Bush administration-7 months after it took place.
      Interesting Tommy. So just what do you call the fantasy land that you live in anyway??

      March 18, 2012 at 9:02 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      When did I make any such statement? Go ahead and post it; I'm sure if I said it, you'll be able to find it, considering you are fixated on your grudges.

      I can wait.

      March 18, 2012 at 11:10 am |
    • Keith

      If you don't want to answer the two simple questions that's fine-I just have to take into condsideration that I'm dealing with a depraved mind with you. I'm sure snopes will straighten you out.
      2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

      March 18, 2012 at 1:53 pm |
    • Professor Marvel

      Keith,

      Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. The great and powerful OZ has spoken!!!

      March 18, 2012 at 1:55 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Why should I answer anything, you stupid git? You're the nut-job who made the claim that Obama said he was Muslim. I proved you wrong.

      That you think you are somehow proving otherwise by posting unrelated and completely irrelevant drivel is indicative of your mental instability. Again, I urge you to get help. You are obviously in need of it.

      March 18, 2012 at 2:06 pm |
    • Keith

      You "proved" me wrong, huh? You proved nothing.

      March 18, 2012 at 2:19 pm |
    • Keith

      You know, it just occured to me that you probably couldn't point out Israel, Syria, Turkey or North Korea on a map, anyway. What was I thinking? Nevermind Tommy. This was obviously WAY over your head to begin with. The Prince and Power of the air apparently owns you.

      March 18, 2012 at 2:24 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Yes, Keith, I proved you wrong. That's why you're so furious. You can't stand it when someone makes fun of you and your ridiculous claims and then shows you that they are inane. It gripes your azz so badly that you can't bear it.

      You'll continue to post paranoiac nonsense because you are insane.

      March 18, 2012 at 5:25 pm |
  6. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer really changes things

    March 16, 2012 at 8:56 pm |
    • Ah....wait just a second

      Prayer changes dirty diapers.

      March 16, 2012 at 9:24 pm |
    • Jesus

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!!!~~~~~

      March 17, 2012 at 10:07 am |
    • Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

      Prayer changes things
      Proven

      March 17, 2012 at 1:47 pm |
    • Jesus

      "Prayer changes things
      Proven"

      What's been proven is it doesn't work, it's why christians were sent to jail when their prayers didn't save their children but modern medicine would have.

      March 17, 2012 at 2:59 pm |
    • just sayin

      When you begin your reply with a glorious Truth, such as prayer changes things, then the lie you post to follow becomes meaningless. Praise God.

      March 17, 2012 at 4:41 pm |
    • Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

      Prayer changes things,
      Proven,
      Powerful

      March 17, 2012 at 4:42 pm |
    • Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

      Prayer cures all illnesses
      Proven

      March 18, 2012 at 2:53 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Pray for Keith, then. Maybe you can get god to cure his schizophrenia.

      March 18, 2012 at 12:06 pm |
    • sam stone

      ah.....not the truth, but the Truth (TM)...Just Sayin' has the OFFICIAL truth, hence the capitalization.....inbred little rodent, isn't he?

      March 18, 2012 at 12:20 pm |
    • Jesus

      "When you begin your reply with a glorious Truth, such as prayer changes things, then the lie you post to follow becomes meaningless. Praise God."

      The proof prayer doesn't work is the Christians rotting in jail.

      March 18, 2012 at 1:24 pm |
    • Jesus

      "the lie you post to follow becomes meaningless"

      More proof you're the LIAR. An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      March 18, 2012 at 2:49 pm |
    • just sayin

      moron

      March 18, 2012 at 4:46 pm |
    • Jesus

      "moron"

      Now we can both agree that "Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things" is a moron oops but you are one in the same...so that mean you're a moron too.

      March 18, 2012 at 4:47 pm |
    • just sayin

      Can you not write a cohesive sentence? You who takes the Lords name in vain are a proven moron.

      March 18, 2012 at 8:11 pm |
  7. Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

    I sincerely hope that if anyone here knows Keith in real life, you will act to ensure he is safely returned to the group home or hospital so he can continue to get medication to treat his condition. It's only for his benefit and for the public's safety.

    March 16, 2012 at 8:50 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      OKAY, then. It's been 2 hours and not a SINGLE SOULD had posted in support of your posts. Perhaps you should admit this is a lost cause.

      March 16, 2012 at 11:55 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Maybe you'd be believable, troll, if you actually knew how to spell a simple word like "soul" without fucking it up.

      March 17, 2012 at 12:58 am |
  8. Nii

    I for one know that gays vote and are protected from discrimination. If they want to die in Afghanistan why not? If they want to redefine marriage which essentially means changing dictionaries and natural law I do not agree. If u count that as hatred I'm not Lord Williams. Wrong Minister.

    March 16, 2012 at 3:47 pm |
    • Freudian Slip

      Your "natural" law, is unnatural. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090616122106.ht

      March 16, 2012 at 3:56 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Nii: more of the usual inane drivel.

      March 16, 2012 at 7:37 pm |
  9. Four Jumps to Insanity

    Maybe now, he can afford a haircut.

    March 16, 2012 at 3:09 pm |
  10. George Clifford

    Archbishop Williams, whether loved or vilified, has increasingly appeared out of step with the Church of England and realities in the Anglican Communion. The Anglican Covenant is almost certainly dead in the water in the Church of England. Similarly, the Church of England is moving, albeit at a glacial pace, toward authorizing women bishops but rejecting the plan endorsed by Archbishop Williams. In other words, on the two highest profile public issues, the Church of England appears poised to give Williams a double rebuff.

    As I’ve previous argued (e.g., http://blog.ethicalmusings.com/2010/12/women-bishops-and-church-of-england.html), the Anglican Communion has already, de facto, split. When Bishops refuse to attend the Lambeth Conference because they do not want to share in worship with the Archbishop of Canterbury, the central symbol of Anglican unity, then schism has occurred.

    In sum, it’s time for Archbishop Williams to step aside; he, sadly, can no longer provide effective leadership for the Church of England or the Anglican Communion. I applaud his wisdom and courage in taking this step.

    March 16, 2012 at 2:45 pm |
  11. Nii

    Rowan Williams did not understand the scope of responsibility given him when he took over from Carey. It is now time for the Queen to appoint an Archbishop who is prepared to lead England and the World. Pragmatism rather than just learning. Spirituality rather than just accomodation.

    March 16, 2012 at 2:05 pm |
    • Nii

      Anglicans are tired of Bishops who treat their positions as privileged positions to be maintained rather than positions of leadership. Royal weddings and Lordship ti.tles aside, there must be stronger preaching against evil and encouragement of right. There must be promotion of charitable love.

      March 16, 2012 at 2:15 pm |
    • Freudian Slip

      Nii is for "charitable love", as long as it fits his definitions. If it's really love for "the other", as Jesus taught, (and today the "others" are gays and other dis-enfranchized), well, that's another matter. Changing the head, won't change the church. Diversity has always been the hallmark of Christian communities. Why stop now. Let them split. Who cares ?

      March 16, 2012 at 3:05 pm |
    • Nii

      FREUDIAN did u just determine that from my posts. I do not hate gays. Never have, never will. Xtians are essentially taught not to give up on someone till he is dead. Some even pray for u after u die. I just believe that once God says something we shudn't become His Press Secretaries as Ministers.

      March 16, 2012 at 3:41 pm |
    • Freudian Slip

      No need to change. God made them that way. Get an education. Take some Biology. All species on Planet earth have a % that engage in same s'ex behaviors. Your "natural" argument has been proven false.
      mhttp://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090616122106.ht

      March 16, 2012 at 3:56 pm |
    • Nii

      The natural sciences are older than the 21st century. Agriculture is like the oldest. My lambs playfully mounting each other or snails mating is not proof they are gay. Humans have been gay for centuries without a corresponding finding in Agriculture. Give me a break.

      March 17, 2012 at 4:51 am |
    • Nii

      Secondly, I read Biology to A-level. That is like the 1st yr of University. Also I have reviewed the "scientific evidence" and it harms them more than it helps. I don't believe women can be gay. Second with men the "reciever" n "giver" who is gay? Or it is a u do me, I do u affair. What a joke!

      March 17, 2012 at 5:00 am |
    • Nii

      The giver is proposed as gay in the women but the reciever is gay in the men. That is sooo funny. I choose the woman I like. or I can be celibate. If they feel they can only "recieve" from aa man but cannot "give" to a womaan why don't they remain celibate. The Catholic Church is hiring.

      March 17, 2012 at 5:06 am |
    • Nii

      I don't care what a man does in private but if he tries to recruit science to lie on his behalf that is aa step too far. I also do not wish to enforce my religion's judgements on anyone outside it so please do not force that issue with me unless u r Christian, Jew or both. The answer won't favour u.

      March 17, 2012 at 5:17 am |
  12. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    March 16, 2012 at 12:41 pm |
    • Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

      Here is the Christian band DEVO to sing about the goodness of using your praying hands.

      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oo7pxIm4ljw&w=640&h=390]

      March 16, 2012 at 1:54 pm |
    • Jesus

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!!! ............

      March 16, 2012 at 4:15 pm |
    • AGuest9

      Whip it good.

      March 16, 2012 at 11:23 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      @Guest: ; D

      March 16, 2012 at 11:33 pm |
  13. Reality

    Rowan Williams fits in here:

    Luther, Calvin, Joe Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley, Roger Williams, the Great “Babs” et al, founders of Christian-based religions or combination religions also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingie thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immacu-late co-nceptions).

    Current problems:
    Adulterous preachers, pedophiliac clerics, "propheteering/ profiteering" evangelicals and atonement theology,

    Next topic !!

    March 16, 2012 at 11:57 am |
  14. Brad

    NPR this morning gave their view of the highpoint of Rowan Williams' tenure as Archbishop: the wedding of Prince William and Kate Middleton. Disappointing. But then, his efforts to prevent the splintering of the Anglican Communion may come to nothing. The wedding may be his highpoint after all.

    March 16, 2012 at 9:48 am |
  15. hippypoet

    i like this dude – i hope he does well. :)

    March 16, 2012 at 9:40 am |
  16. Keith

    This has nothing to do with this story, but allow me to put this in the forefront:

    Keith

    Hey Tom, Tom, Have you figured out that the news is contrived yet? Case in point, NBC and CBS both did a story on cervical cancer(at the same time) and also a story about welcoming home veterans at an airport(at the same time). Now out of all the topics in whole wide world to "report", don't you find it just a bid odd that all the major propaganda, er I mean news outlets have the same stories? Just like Hitler giving his talking points to Goebbels and then to the German people. Have you figured this out yet, Tommie? Didn't think so.

    March 14, 2012 at 9:46 pm | Report abuse | Reply

    Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

    Hasn't your shrink adjusted your meds yet, honey? You might need to get a second opinion on that case of paranoia you've got.

    Meanwhile, I notice you are responding to my posts and therefore I'm betting you know you were wrong in declaring that Obama is Muslim.

    As if any sane person doesn't already know that.

    March 15, 2012 at 7:29 pm | Report abuse |

    Keith

    If he walks like muslim, bows to a muslim, he's a muslim.

    March 15, 2012 at 9:17 pm | Report abuse |

    Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

    Do show how a Muslim "walks", Keith. Post a video.

    Never mind. I doubt anyone reading here has any doubt as to your mental instability.

    March 15, 2012 at 9:57 pm | Report abuse |

    bubble gum

    meds people......................take your meds before posting comments

    March 15, 2012 at 10:04 pm | Report abuse |

    Keith

    And don't forget: a forged birth certificate and phony draft card. But like I said, perhaps the abysso doesn't issue birth certificates.

    March 15, 2012 at 10:20 pm | Report abuse |

    Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

    Just back away from Keith, everyone, SLOWLY!!!

    Don't let him notice you! Just stay calm and move back...the men in the white coats are on their way...no need to panic.

    March 15, 2012 at 10:52 pm | Report abuse |

    Keith

    Answer me this Tom:
    1) Did Israel bomb a Syrian nuclear plant in the fall of 2007? Yes/No.
    2)Name at least three major American media outlets that covered the story the day it happend and the following days and weeks?
    Answers:
    1) Yes.
    2) None. But if any did-they quickly stopped discussing it on orders from someone.
    PM Gordon Brown later said how the story was repressed because if the world had realized how close we came to WW lll, there would have been global panic. So, Tommy, do you still trust your "snopes" and the media in general to give you the "truth"? You may step right up to the feed trough and dig in. I will skeptically sit back and analyze the contents first.

    March 16, 2012 at 7:47 am | Report abuse |

    Keith

    Tommy, Now you step up and gleefully devour the slop in the trough. Mmmm. Mmmm. Forged birth certifcate and phony draft card. I know you won't do it, but watch the 1 hour and 20 minute press conference of Sheriff Joe. How do you explain away the evidence? The silence from the American media is deafening. They are accessories to a crime by turning their backs on this. It is sinister. Even Pravda is mocking THEM.

    March 16, 2012 at 7:56 am | Report abuse |

    Keith

    Allow the Bible to shed a little light on the sham you are witnessing:
    2Th 2:9 [Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

    2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

    2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

    2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

    March 16, 2012 at 8:02 am | Report abuse |

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    March 16, 2012 at 8:17 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Read up on Noam Chomsky's Propaganda model and the way in which the media works in the US suddenly makes a whole lotta sense.

      March 16, 2012 at 9:13 am |
    • Wow

      Wow Keith is your ego HUGE! What a moron.

      March 16, 2012 at 10:29 am |
    • Keith

      @wow
      It is not about ego. I was blessed with high intelligence, you can't help how you are born. I just have a better handle and the world around me than most. I am sorry you think it is ego, perhaps you are just jealous?

      March 16, 2012 at 12:23 pm |
    • Keith

      The 12:23 pm post is not from me. Imposter alert.

      March 16, 2012 at 1:31 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      So, Keith, did you finally figure out that Obama isn't a Muslim? It's not clear from your little tantrum.

      March 16, 2012 at 7:39 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Oh, by the way, Keith-the-intelligent-one: it's IMPOSTOR.

      March 16, 2012 at 8:52 pm |
    • Ah....wait just a second

      Keith was blessed with high intelligence, he tells himself. With a brain like that, I'd hate to see the stupid ones in the family.

      March 16, 2012 at 11:49 pm |
    • Keith

      Tom, I see your gums flapping an awful lot, but I don't see where you answered question #1 or #2. If you're not going to respond, perhaps you should just remain silent.

      March 17, 2012 at 8:17 am |
    • Keith

      Besides, Tom, I didn't cut and paste these forward in hopes of actually getting a credidble response from you. Don't flatter yourself-it's obvious that you've been given over to the 'depraved mind', already-I'm afraid your fate may be sealed. I brought it forward to show others that the major media you rely on are a joke.

      March 17, 2012 at 8:41 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I can tell it's really working well for you.

      You really carry a grudge, don't you? I hope your friends and family keep a close eye on you and lock up any weapons. Your posts look like the ramblings of a potential mass murderer.

      March 17, 2012 at 9:56 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Funny that you're asking questions and demanding answers from me. I believe I have asked YOU to answer just one question, and thus far, you've avoided doing so. I'll ask again, just for sh!ts and giggles: Did you finally figure out that Obama isn't Muslim?

      I suspect you'll ignore the question, or attempt to sidetrack, or lie. Why would such a big, brave, holy warrior be so afraid to admit a mistake?

      March 17, 2012 at 10:22 am |
    • Keith

      He has done plenty to indicate that he IS a muslim. So I guess you could take that as a NO!

      March 17, 2012 at 11:14 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You're just crazy.

      March 17, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
    • Keith

      He has done very little, if anything, to indicate he's a Christian as he claims. Not enough evidence to convict.

      March 17, 2012 at 5:32 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      And? Since when is a president, duly elected by the people, required to prove he's a Christian, you muttonhead?

      March 17, 2012 at 6:24 pm |
    • Keith

      Does he or does he not claim to be Christian? He slipped up with Stephanopolous "my muslim faith". George had to correct him. Then out of his mouth came, "my Christian faith". So, Tom are you going to continue to duck and dodge quetions #1 and #2? You have no answer and you know it.

      March 17, 2012 at 9:59 pm |
    • Keith

      questions

      March 17, 2012 at 10:00 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You really are a stupid fuck, aren't you? What part of that interview is beyond your comprehension, Keith?

      Oh, wait.

      It's all beyond you.

      March 17, 2012 at 10:41 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      It is amusing to see you perseverating on your "questions" as though they had any bearing on anything at all, you witless wonder.

      I challenged you. You lost. And it still gripes your azz that you were wrong.

      So now you think you can somehow regain your lost balls by posting nonsensical and meaningless statements as if they had anything to do with the subject.

      Nice try, lame-brain.

      March 17, 2012 at 11:06 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      "I will skeptically sit back and...blah, blah, blah."

      I can see you in your broken-down La-Z-Boy recliner; you know, the one with the cat pee on it, stuffing spilling out of it, 'analyzing skeptically'. With a beer in one hand and a bag of Doritos in the other.

      Yeah, you're 'skeptically analyzing', all right. With all 3 of your working brain cells.

      March 17, 2012 at 11:10 pm |
    • Keith

      So according to you and the utopia you live in, Israel did not bomb a Syrian nuclear reactor and the key components thereof, which came from North Korea on a ship with the manifest saying the cargo was "cement". The IAF did not kill Russian advisors who were manning the SA 300 anti-aircraft missiles trying to shoot them down. The IAF did not drop it's external fuel tanks in Turkey when they flew out of Syria. The media did not supress the event. And the US Congress did not demand an explanation of the event from the Bush administration-7 months after it took place.
      Interesting Tommy. So just what do you call the fantasy land that you live in anyway?

      March 18, 2012 at 8:58 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Since I never said anything about the incidents, dear, I think the one living in fantasy land would be you.

      What color is the sky there, Keith?

      March 18, 2012 at 11:12 am |
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