By Mary Snow, CNN
(CNN) – A bed, space heater and a place to put his clothes are all Saul Timisela have in a room he calls home. But his new refuge inside New Jersey’s Reformed Church of Highland Park is the only thing that stands between him and deportation.
"I feel safe," says Timisela, who moved into a Sunday school classroom on March 1, when he defied an order to return to his native Indonesia. His wife has since joined him. "All the members are so welcoming,” adds Timisela, who says he’s prepared to stay in the church until his case is solved.
When and if that happens is a question mark. In the eyes of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Timisela is an "immigration fugitive" who was "ordered removed" from the U.S. in 2006 but failed to leave. He says he was unaware of that 2006 order. He’s now inside a church, and it’s unlikely that immigration officials would raid it.
Since christians like talking about hell so much, why don't they all just go there?
Stupid fuckin retards.
I'm glad the church is doing this.
CNN- As long as you stay Anti-Christian you are doing a great job. No wonder the traffic to your site is so heavy.
Hey oelson what are those numbers, again? ;)
I'm still trying to figure out why this non-wh-i-t-e filth belongs in this country?
as compared with white filth such as yourself?
This is a wh-i-t-e country. Take a look at the const-i-tution before the il-le-gal 14-th ame-ndme-nt. Immigration and citizenship restricted to Free Wh-i-t-e persons. Not even wh-i-t-e in-dent-ured ser-vant-s, only Free whites. This was intended to be a w-hit-e only nation and our founding fathers are rolling in their graves over what we've allowed to happen to it.
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free..."
Nope, nothing in there about "but only if they're white and Christian".
Sorry UrafKKKntool, you lose.
@ Doc Vestibule
Urafkntool is either a troll or an idiot. Ether way you are going to need more than a poem from a plaque to justify the current illegal immigration crisis. But hey things have changed at all since 1903 right?
That was a call to EUROPE, nowhere else.
Christianity makes you frothy like Rick Santorum. Read about it at http://santorum.com
Christianity takes people away from actually working on real solutions to their problems.
Christian prayer has been shown to have no discernible effect towards what was prayed for.
Christianity prevents you from getting badly needed exercise.
Christianity makes you fat.
Christianity wears out your clothes prematurely.
Christianity contributes to global warming through excess CO2 emissions.
Christianity fucks up your knees and your neck and your back.
Christianity can cause heart attacks, especially among the elderly.
Christianity makes you frothy like Rick Santorum. See http://santorum.com to learn more.
Christianity reveals how stupid you are to the world.
Christianity exposes your backside to pervert priests.
Christianity makes you think doilies are exciting.
Christianity makes you secretively flatulent and embarrassed about it.
Christianity makes your kids avoid spending time with you.
Christianity gives you knobbly knees.
Christianity dulls your senses.
Christianity makes you post really stupid shit.
Christianity makes you hoard cats.
Christianity makes you smell like shitty kitty litter and leads you on to harder drugs.
Christianity wastes time.
Bigots – you just gotta love us!
Love the lines about hoarding cats and secretive flatulence.
But why are you pushing Santorum's website http://santorum.com?
I HAVE MY OWN TROLL IMITATOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! Everyone else had one and I was really feeling left out, but now everything is just ducky and good!
I do feel cheated, though, because mine is so unimaginative and humor-impaired and, well, just dull-witted as all get out, but maybe I can use my Frequent Flying Squirrel miles to upgrade to a better class of troll.
Bippy , my friend. Look what Fluffy found. :) The farting preacher. Fluffy and his family wish they could go to his church.
We are all on drugs.
But we're goin' back down South.
Or we could go to Bloodbuzz Ohio.
And head over to Cherub Rock.
We can have a vampire weekend under a white sky!
Let's invite The Roller.
Every tear drop will be a waterfall....
...into a jar.
...in the middle.
Block after block.
For what it's worth.
We are the magnetic zeros. Take your placebo please.
I love being drunk in the Spirit
Or at least in your own excesses
I love being drunk too.
just sayin is that how you make up for not getting any? You sure sound like a limp one.
I turn down more than most people get.
If that were true you wouldn't have so much time to post, you little limp one.
The number of posts are because there are so many people that want to be me, and if i am turning it down i have all the time i need. Are you jealous too erin?
5 Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
7 but made himself nothing,
taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
and became obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.
I love jesus so much I walk around in diapers and hang from posts for fun.
Do you know Jesus?
I ask this because to know him is to hear him.
I know Jesus.
I know several. Most hang out at Home Depot waiting for the contractors to come by in their pick-ups to offer a day job. The other works in a kitchen at a Chinese restaurant. Go figure.
God and prayer challenge
Lets sacrifice one Christian a day for 360 days. Lets see at the end how many were spared by their God.
I have no doubt my God would spare me. He talks to me.
Revelation chapter 6 verses 9 through 11.
God talks dirty to me.
"Revelation chapter 6 verses 9 through 11."
written by men to manipulate the masses....#youignant
Prayer takes people away from actually working on real solutions to their problems.
Prayer has been shown to have no discernible effect towards what was prayed for.
Prayer makes you frothy like Rick Santorum. Just google him to find out. http://santorum.com
Prayer prevents you from getting badly needed exercise.
Prayer makes you fat.
Prayer wears out your clothes prematurely.
Prayer contributes to global warming through excess CO2 emissions.
Prayer fucks up your knees and your neck and your back.
Prayer can cause heart attacks, especially among the elderly.
Prayer reveals how stupid you are to the world.
Prayer exposes your backside to pervert priests.
Prayer makes you think doilies are exciting.
Prayer makes you secretively flatulent and embarrassed about it.
Prayer makes your kids avoid spending time with you.
Prayer gives you knobbly knees.
Prayer dulls your senses.
Prayer makes you post really stupid shit.
Prayer makes you hoard cats.
Prayer makes you smell like shitty kitty litter and leads you on to harder drugs.
Prayer wastes time.
You know what we have not talked enough about? Contraception
I thought you were contracontraception
I was gonna buy a condominium but I never use em, yo.
He should be deported and the priest, along with any parishioners that didn't help the police, should be imprisoned for housing a known fugitive and aiding and abetting the priest in his illegal activity.
What is this Highlander or Vampires???? They know where he is..get him.
He looks nice.
The religious right is against illegal aliens when they are Mexican, but illegally harbors them when they are Indonesian. If you as an individual harbored a fugitive illegal alien like this church is doing, you would go to jail for it.
There is no making sense of religion.
Maybe its because your mixing religion with politics...
I have no pony in this race....The church and the Government can work it out.
he doesn't belong here. Get him out!
You are too caring, William. I recall in 1985 Philadelphia police used a bomb to deal with a similar situation.
Prayer changes things
Let us pray for taxation of churches.
When you bring the government into the church, be prepared to bring the church into the government.
Your masterful use of discontinuous logic completely shuts me down, just sayin.
@ just sayin'
No, businesses are taxed in the US.. Some of them are "represented" in the government through the actions of lobbyists, but most aren't.. Churches are businesses; therefore, they should be taxed.. They are welcome to establish lobby groups in DC under the same laws that allow for other businesses to establish lobby groups..
People who have no clue about taxation wax eloquent on matters related to tax... ;)
If it did you would cease to trolls!
To tax the churches would be in violation of the founding doc uments of America and open the door to government sponsored religion. The problem that many of the early settlers in America had faced in Europe. In a modern scenario, a Mormon Presidency could rule as an agent of Mormonism favoring Mormons and persecuting all others. Or a Muslim President could rule as a Muslim, favoring Islam and persecuting all others and so forth. Leave the separation alone
"To tax the churches would be in violation of the founding doc uments of America and open the door to government sponsored religion. "
not if you tax ALL religions equally.
Tax all atheist organizations
You've been proven a liar over and over again on this blog. A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested Friday morning...
An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.
Plus don't forget. The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!! .. .. .. ... .. . ..
Don't be stupid, just sayin', it'd be easy to treat churches like businesses when it comes to taxation.
I could agree on a flat tax for all churches
Could you agree to come up with your own handle?
I did, I was going to ask the same of myself but you beat me to it.
Just another way that the church can break the laws of the US and get away with it. Seperation of church and state! Start taxing the churches and we will save $$billions.
How many homeless American citizens do they house and feed?
The Church cares for millions annually.
@Cap'n Sayin Atheism Isn't an Inconvenient Angry Pervert Prophet
Sure, some churches do good.
The Mormons have spent $750 million since 1984 on international charity.
They've also spent 4 times that amount in 1/4 of the time on a mall.
Prof. Victor J. Stenger pointed out that "in 1996, the then Texas governor George W. Bush saw to it that state agencies eliminated inspection requirements of religious charities. In five years, the rate of confirmed abuse and neglect at religious facilities rose by a factor of twenty-five compared to state-licensed (secular) facilities."
A survey by researchers at Villanova University in the USA has found that 85 percent of Roman Catholic dioceses that responded had discovered embezzlement of church funds in the past five years, with 11 percent reporting that more than $500,000 had been stolen.
In October 2006 alone, three such cases surfaced, including one in Delray Beach, Fla., where two priests spent $8.6 million on trips to Las Vegas, dental work, property taxes and other expenses over four decades. In June 2007, the Presbyterian Church U.S.A. fired its second-ranking financial officer, Judy Golliher, after she admitted stealing money that church officials put at more than $132,000.
We help a select few, the rest goes into our pockets.
That's what I thought. I haven't seen a church that doesn't lock its doors at 5PM in decades. So much "refuge"., eh?
You forget the Salvation Army and City Mission facilities, not to mention the kitchens, shelters and benevolence set up by individual congregations throughout this country. What do you do to help ?
Deport him AND the priests
Enough is enough
Deport him and feed the priest to the lions
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