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March 20th, 2012
10:17 AM ET

Vatican begs forgiveness of Ireland abuse victims

By Richard Allen Greene and Peter Taggart, CNN

(CNN) - The Vatican begged forgiveness from Irish victims of child sexual abuse by priests as it released a major report into the problem Tuesday, but victims responded with anger and disbelief at the report's finding that new safeguards are working.

"With a great sense of pain and shame, it must be acknowledged that within the Christian community, innocent young people were abused by clerics," a high-level Catholic Church committee found.

"Those who should have exercised vigilance often failed to do so effectively," the committee found.

"For these faults, forgiveness must once more be asked: from God and from the victims!" the commission of top church leaders said.

The head of the Catholic Church in Ireland, Cardinal Sean Brady, echoed those words Tuesday.

"In expressing true sorrow and regret, we make our own the heartfelt plea for forgiveness from the victims, and from God, for these terrible crimes and sins," he said.

But activists for survivors of abuse said the report did not go nearly far enough.

"In a very, very small way in the summary they acknowledge the fact that damage has been done by what they call 'the problem' of the abuse of minors," said Jon McCourt of Survivors and Victims of Institutional Abuse.

But, he added, "the church could have used Ireland as a beacon of light and hope for victims of institutional and clerical abuse across the world. And it looks like the opportunity has been missed."

And a U.S.-based group dismissed the report as "another tired, ineffective re-hash of the promises made by U.S. bishops a decade ago, promises that have had little impact on this crisis."

"No institution can police itself, especially not an ancient, rigid, secretive all-male monarchy with a horrific history of ignoring and concealing child sex crimes," said Barbara Dorris, outreach director of SNAP, the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests.

She said internal reports were "nearly meaningless," and argued that "self-serving Catholic officials can't police or reform themselves," so secular authorities should do so.

"That's the real remedy - increase the will and the ability of independent professionals in law enforcement and the judiciary to investigate, expose, punish and deter child sex crimes and cover-ups," she said.

The Vatican suggests in its report Tuesday that the problem is largely in the past.

"Beginning in the 1990s, decisive progress has been made, leading to a greater awareness of the problem and profound changes in the way of addressing it," the report said.

Guidelines dating from 2008 "have proved to be an effective instrument for handling accusations of abuse and for increasing the awareness of the entire Christian community in the area of child protection," it continued.

"Much attention and care has been shown to the victims, both in terms of spiritual and psychological assistance and also from a legal and financial standpoint," the report said.

The investigators make a number of recommendations, including suggesting that seminaries do more to prepare candidates for the priesthood for "a life of priestly celibacy."

They also recommend that the Irish Church develop guidelines for what to do with priests who have been accused of abuse but whom authorities have declined to prosecute.

And they advise that procedures be put in place to help those falsely accused and then cleared of abuse, and where to house those who are convicted of abuse.

Pope Benedict XVI set up the investigation, formally known as an Apostolic Visitation, in response to a series of independent reports that found thousands of Irish children had been physically or sexually abused by Catholic clergy over several decades.

Confronted with accusations of abuse, bishops tended to move abusive priests to new parishes, the Irish government-backed reports found.

The most recent one, known as the Cloyne report, found that abuse and cover-ups continued well after the scandal broke, and after safeguards were established by the Catholic Church in Ireland.

- Newsdesk editor, The CNN Wire

Filed under: Catholic Church • Ireland

soundoff (356 Responses)
  1. Catholicism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer takes people away from actually working on real solutions to their problems.
    Prayer has been shown to have no discernible effect towards what was prayed for.
    Prayer makes you frothy like Rick Santorum. Just google him to find out. http://santorum.com
    Prayer prevents you from getting badly needed exercise.
    Prayer makes you fat.
    Prayer wears out your clothes prematurely.
    Prayer contributes to global warming through excess CO2 emissions.
    Prayer fucks up your knees and your neck and your back.
    Prayer can cause heart attacks, especially among the elderly.
    Prayer reveals how stupid you are to the world.
    Prayer exposes your backside to pervert priests.
    Prayer makes you think doilies are exciting.
    Prayer makes you secretively flatulent and embarrassed about it.
    Prayer makes your kids avoid spending time with you.
    Prayer gives you knobbly knees.
    Prayer dulls your senses.
    Prayer makes you post really stupid shit.
    Prayer makes you hoard cats.
    Prayer makes you smell like shitty kitty litter and leads you on to harder drugs.
    Prayer wastes time.

    March 20, 2012 at 4:15 pm |
  2. Benno Arentsen

    http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/forced-castrations-reportedly-found-roman-catholic-care

    March 20, 2012 at 4:08 pm |
    • The Four Fluffy Kittens of the Apocalypse

      Oh that's nasty! People REALLY need to look at that one!

      March 20, 2012 at 4:14 pm |
    • No Gods, No Masters!

      If there is a Satan, he invented Christianity. That link is just astounding.

      March 20, 2012 at 4:31 pm |
  3. the summit!

    Where have all the "prophet"s (and "just sayin") gone? I need help!

    March 20, 2012 at 3:27 pm |
    • Urafkntool

      You're right. you DO need help. Just noone on this board is qualified to give you the meds you need!

      March 20, 2012 at 3:29 pm |
    • Robert Brown

      Are you saved?

      March 20, 2012 at 3:30 pm |
    • sam stone

      Robert: Free people do not need to be "saved"

      March 20, 2012 at 3:32 pm |
    • the summit!

      Well,
      If "prophet" and "just sayin" are finally off this discussion board, then I'm saved.

      I'll accept thank-you's now.

      March 20, 2012 at 3:32 pm |
    • J.W

      You are not safe yet. I am still here.

      March 20, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
    • the summit!

      J.W. You one of them?
      Ow man!
      You gonna figure out how to talk to god now?

      March 20, 2012 at 3:40 pm |
    • J.W

      Oh yeah I can help you figure it out. The first step is to not be an atheist. You cannot talk to something you do not believe is there.

      March 20, 2012 at 3:48 pm |
    • just sayin

      Use the help you have been given.

      March 20, 2012 at 3:49 pm |
    • the summit!

      JW
      Great start.
      OK. How do I suddenly not be an athiest, whthout lying to myself.

      March 20, 2012 at 3:49 pm |
    • J.W

      You have to remember all the beauty that God has created. If you do not believe me look at the beautiful Bristol Palin.

      March 20, 2012 at 3:49 pm |
    • just sayin

      Lying is the first step to becoming an atheist. You are well on your way.

      March 20, 2012 at 3:50 pm |
    • J.W

      No human could have created anything as beautiful as Bristol Palin. So she is evidence of the work of God. You have to keep on looking for signs that there is a possibility of God at least. Even if you still feel that God is unlikely.

      March 20, 2012 at 3:51 pm |
    • the summit!

      Hmmm. No good. I'm still an atheist. I guess its not really a choice. If there is a god, it's his fault.

      March 20, 2012 at 3:53 pm |
    • Sid

      J.W

      Bristol Palin is but-t-ugly. Are you being sarcastic?

      March 20, 2012 at 4:05 pm |
    • just sayin

      Try telling a human judge it is his fault, let us know how it works out.

      March 20, 2012 at 4:06 pm |
    • J.W

      Well it may not happen that fast. We will just have to work on that.

      March 20, 2012 at 4:07 pm |
    • J.W

      I dunno what you may be talking about Sid. We must not even be thinking of the same person. To me Bristol Palin looks like a slightly plumper Ashley Tisdale.

      March 20, 2012 at 4:08 pm |
    • momoya

      Human judges aren't omnipotent creators who designed the entire system..

      March 20, 2012 at 4:12 pm |
  4. Popey BentDiccky XIV

    Mea Culpa (but not really)! Mea Culpa (but not really)!

    Now can we go back to ignoring it and pretending we are perfect?

    March 20, 2012 at 3:25 pm |
  5. jimtanker

    Bible quiz for you.

    Where does it say in the TEXT of the bible "THE Ten Commandments"?

    March 20, 2012 at 3:05 pm |
    • Jonah

      Read Exodus

      March 20, 2012 at 3:11 pm |
    • Jonah

      Read the book of Exodus.

      March 20, 2012 at 3:12 pm |
    • jimtanker

      OK smart guy, where in Exodus?

      March 20, 2012 at 3:21 pm |
    • Jonah

      Not so easy, what do you understand about the book of Exodus?

      March 20, 2012 at 3:26 pm |

    • I thought it was The Ten Helpful Pointers To Make A Better You.

      March 20, 2012 at 3:31 pm |
    • momoya

      I understand quite a lot about the book of Exodus, but that is tangential to the question: Where, in Exodus, can one read the words, "The Ten Commandments?". It either says it or it doesn't, and it's either in one place or another..

      March 20, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
    • jimtanker

      It's very easy. I understand what I read.

      Of course I would leave it to a "true believer" to come up with ways to rationalize anything to the point that it doesnt conflict with their world view. No matter how much it does in fact conflict with it.

      March 20, 2012 at 3:37 pm |
    • Jonah

      Still waiting...

      March 20, 2012 at 3:39 pm |
    • Moses prostrates humself for 40 days and nights without food or water, lives to be 120, and the Bible is infallible

      I thought it was the six really obvious bits of advice that everyone already knew, combined with the four crazy demands for obedience.

      March 20, 2012 at 3:40 pm |
    • the summit!

      J.W. You one of them?
      Ow man!
      You gonna figure out how to talk to god now?

      March 20, 2012 at 3:40 pm |
    • jimtanker

      Jonah,

      Waiting on what? Can you answer my question or what?

      March 20, 2012 at 3:44 pm |
    • Hmmm

      Well you could start at Exodus 20:3 and count off ten commandments. But that's too easy... Wait, there is a heading to Exodus 20 that says "The Ten Commandments". No, that was added much later.

      March 20, 2012 at 3:50 pm |
    • Jonah

      LA LA LA LA LA LA LA I can't hear you! Yeah, I looked at Exodus and Deutronomy and realized that God just says stuff that is not ever referred to as The Ten Commandments, but I have to be evasive to cover up the fact that I have no clue what I am talking about, which you would expect from someone who believes the All-Powerful Magic Invisible Man Who Created Everything is my personal friend.

      March 20, 2012 at 3:53 pm |
    • jimtanker

      Try Exodus 34:28. Now read back and read the commandments that we are supposed to stand by.

      Hint: make sure that you dont boil a goat in its mother's milk.

      March 20, 2012 at 3:54 pm |
    • Jonah

      JT-You still have not answered the question as to what your understanding is of the book of Exodus?

      March 20, 2012 at 4:06 pm |
    • Robert Brown

      Jim,

      Which is the great commandment?

      March 20, 2012 at 4:07 pm |
    • The Four Fluffy Kittens of the Apocalypse

      Robert, the greatest commandment is "Thou shalt use thy own brain and realize that this religion stuff is all just made-up gibberish intended to conform you into obedience."

      Then again, it might be "Though shalt have a nice creme brulee after your delicious filet mignon dinner."

      March 20, 2012 at 4:27 pm |
    • Robert Brown

      incorrect fluffy, here you go.

      Matthew 22:
      36Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
      37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
      38This is the first and great commandment.
      39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
      40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

      March 20, 2012 at 4:33 pm |
  6. Johnson

    The best apology they could give would be for Ratlinger to resign and imprison Bernard Law.

    March 20, 2012 at 3:01 pm |
  7. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things.

    March 20, 2012 at 2:53 pm |
    • Prayer is not healthy for children and other thinking beings

      Evolution changes things.
      Gradually.
      Powerful.
      Proven.

      March 20, 2012 at 2:55 pm |
    • An inconvenient truth

      Evolution is still a theory, evolution has never been proven.

      March 20, 2012 at 2:58 pm |
    • Prayer is not healthy for children and other thinking beings

      @Cap'n Sayin Atheism Isn't an Inconvenient Angry Pervert Prophet
      A theory is what one or more hypotheses become once they have been verified and accepted to be true. A theory is an explanation of a set of related observations or events based upon proven hypotheses and verified multiple times by detached groups of researchers.
      In general, both a scientific theory and a scientific law are accepted to be true by the scientific community as a whole. Both are used to make predictions of events. Both are used to advance technology.

      The Theory of Evolution and its 5 laws fall into the same category of theory as gravity, genetics, and plate tectonics.

      March 20, 2012 at 3:02 pm |
    • Brad

      An inconvenient truth-

      A falsifiable theory that explains existing evidence and can be modified or replaced as needed is more useful to me than a static discredited idea supported by wishful thinking and strange interpretations of religious dogma.

      March 20, 2012 at 3:05 pm |
    • Rick

      The evolutionists are relgious people too. They have so much faith that a wind can blow and build mansions,things just happen for no particular reason.

      March 20, 2012 at 3:05 pm |
    • ?

      @ rick = You actually believe that those who accept evolution have "faith that a wind can blow and build mansions"? That wind builds mansions? Did you take too much LSD today?

      We actually believe the opposite of "things just happen for no particular reason." The reason we do not believe is that there is an invisible man moving thigs around magically. The REAL reasons – the measurable and defined forces of nature – those we know are what makes things happen.

      I am not sure if you stopped taking your meds, or took hallucinogens, but either way, you are way out in the trees.

      March 20, 2012 at 3:20 pm |
    • Rick

      Believing in evolution is a choice. Feel free to live a life of delusions..hey it is your life not mine. Enjoy! Whats up with medications do you take them quite often to ease some kinda pain? Enjoy that too!

      March 20, 2012 at 3:32 pm |
    • Jesus

      You've been proven a liar over and over again on this blog. A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested Friday morning...

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      Plus don't forget. The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!! .. .. .. ... .. . ..

      March 20, 2012 at 3:44 pm |
    • @youignantdotcom

      "Believing in evolution is a choice. Feel free to live a life of delusions."

      The ultimate delusion is believing in something in which there is ZERO evidence other than a book written by a bunch of men over many years. #youignant

      March 20, 2012 at 3:46 pm |
    • just sayin

      You have the writings, you have the creation , you have the longing in peoples hearts, you have the personal and continued testimony of millions, you have the opposition to the Truth (why do you need to oppose what you think isn't there?) Not much evidence at all ?

      March 20, 2012 at 3:56 pm |
    • just sayin

      Above all you have the Son.

      March 20, 2012 at 3:56 pm |
    • Huh?

      "You have the writings, you have the creation , you have the longing in peoples hearts, you have the personal and continued testimony of millions, you have the opposition to the Truth (why do you need to oppose what you think isn't there?) Not much evidence at all ?"

      The bible has been proven NOT to be an historical document. Plus there are millions that will testify that Santa Claus delivered them presents this year, doesn't mean it's really true. LOL!

      March 20, 2012 at 4:01 pm |
    • just sayin

      Huh ?
      What planet are you on? Archaeology is proving the Bible more accurate every day.

      March 20, 2012 at 4:04 pm |
    • bob

      @An inconvenient truth... Anytime a religious person says evolution is only a theory they expose their ignorance of the English language. Have you ever looked up the definition? A theory is a set of principles or rules by which something works such as the theory of gravity or music theory. I suppose you'd say there's no such thing as gravity or music. What is the set of principles by which God exists? Well, there are none because it's nonsense.

      March 20, 2012 at 4:06 pm |
    • Huh?

      "What planet are you on? Archaeology is proving the Bible more accurate every day."

      No, it's not. It's proving the bible wrong everyday.

      March 20, 2012 at 4:07 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      @just sayin

      Sources please. Saying that the bible is being proven accurate does not mean anything without sources.

      March 20, 2012 at 4:08 pm |
    • just sayin

      A theory is the first step in establishing a law. Gravity is not a theory it is the law of gravity. Evolution is proposed not proven.

      March 20, 2012 at 4:09 pm |
    • Smithsonian

      What planet are you on? Archaeology is proving the Bible more accurate every day.”

      “The stories found in the Book of Genesis, chapters 1-12, such as the flood story, the record is quite different: the time period under consideration is much more ancient. The factual bases of the stories are hidden from our view archaeologically.

      ‘The stories remain a part of folk traditions and were included in the Bible to illustrate and explain theological ideas such as: Where did humans come from? If humans were created by God (who is perfect and good), how did evil among them come to be? If we are all related as children of God, why do we speak different languages?

      ‘It must be remembered that the Bible is primarily a book of religion, a guide to faith. It was not a book of history, poetry, economics, or science. It contains all sorts of literary genre, which are used to teach about the relationship between God and mankind.

      In the best analysis, the Bible is a religious book, not an historical document.”

      March 20, 2012 at 4:13 pm |
    • bob

      So I was right, you haven't read the definition. Thank you.

      March 20, 2012 at 4:16 pm |
    • Neil

      "Archaeology is proving the Bible more accurate every day."

      The Israelites were never in Egypt, did not wander in the desert, did not conquer the land [of Canaan] in a military campaign and did not pass it on to the twelve tribes of Israel. Perhaps even harder to swallow is the fact that the united kingdom of David and Solomon, described in the Bible as a regional power, was at most a small tribal kingdom.

      Jerusalem was essentially a cow town, not the glorious capital of an empire. These findings have been accepted by the majority of biblical scholars and archaeologists for years and even decades.

      March 20, 2012 at 4:19 pm |
    • just sayin

      I tire of endless repit tions, these things are available to anyone who cares to search them out. House of David 1000 B. C. unsubstantiated until a recent dig in Israel revealed a shard of text that mentioned the house of David. Bible text found in collapsed tomb in Israel dated to 800 B.C. Dead Sea Scrolls accurate Bible texts dated to first to second century B.C. trading reference to the city of Sodom, the amazing golden artifacts of Kedarlaomer, Abrahams Tomb at Machpelah, etc,etc.

      March 20, 2012 at 4:19 pm |
    • GodPot

      It is obvious that just sayin does not understand what scientific theory is or how it would relate to a law of physics, which he could remedy with a simple web search. Like this simple explanation that a 10 year old could understand:

      " A theory is simply the most elaborate form of consistent scientific knowledge not yet disproved by experiment. In experimental sciences, a theory can never be "proved", it can only be "disproved" by experiment. This is precisely was makes a theory scientific. A statement that cannot be disproved by experiment may still be highly respectable but it's simply not part of any experimental science (it could be mathematics, philosophy or religion, but it's not physics). Now that we have the basic vocabulary straight, we may discuss gravity itself." answers.yahoo.com

      This answer explains it without being disrespectful of religious theory, though "may still be highly respectable" can be read as "may not be respectable at all" as well.

      March 20, 2012 at 4:21 pm |
    • Neil

      "House of David 1000 B. C. unsubstantiated until a recent dig in Israel revealed a shard of text that mentioned the house of David. Bible text found in collapsed tomb in Israel dated to 800 B.C. Dead Sea Scrolls accurate Bible texts dated to first to second century B.C. trading reference to the city of Sodom, the amazing golden artifacts of Kedarlaomer, Abrahams Tomb at Machpela"

      Cite your source.

      March 20, 2012 at 4:22 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @just sayin
      You are just provin that you haven't the faintest understanding of the scientific method.
      Theories do not graduate into laws!
      There are 5 laws in the Theory of Evolution.
      1) Evolution as such.
      This is the understanding that the world is not constant, nor recently created, nor cycling, but is changing; and that the types of enti.ties that live on it also change.
      2) Common descent
      This is the understanding that every group of living enti.ties that we know of on this planet descended from a common ancestor.
      3) Multiplication of species
      This is the understanding that species either split into or bud off other species, often through the geographical isolation of a founder species.
      4) Gradualism
      This is the understanding that changes take place through the gradual change of population rather than the sudden production of new individuals.
      5) Natural selection
      This is the understanding that individuals in every generation are different from one another, or, at least some of them are. In every generation some individuals survive and reproduce better than others. Their genes multiply.

      March 20, 2012 at 4:23 pm |
    • just sayin

      Neil
      The farther back you go the less evidence remains to be found. Your assessment of Israel and Egypt are not entirely accurate. Some references have been found and their is compelling circu mstantial evidence in the area formerly known as Midian. It is not too difficult to suspect that what rare reference Egypt had to slaves would be something the Egyptians would not value highly in light of the biblical account, and not be all that willing to keep a record of.

      March 20, 2012 at 4:32 pm |
    • Seriously

      You may or may not believe me (I'm not interested in providing my name and inst.itutional affiliation to a bunch of creationists), but I am a tenured Associate Professor of Anthropology at a state university in the Southwest. I teach a range of courses from Introduction to Archaeology through graduate-level Archaeological Theory.

      My point is this: It is absolute BS to claim that "archaeology is proving the Bible more accurate every day." That is entirely wrong, if not downright dishonest. I have literally never in my entire career met an archaeologists who takes the Bible literally. I have found, however, that Bible literalists will say absolutely anything, regardless of whether it is true or not, to make their arguments.

      March 20, 2012 at 4:39 pm |
    • Seriously

      The best you can say about the Bible's accuracy from an archaeological standpoint is that it refers to some places and some technologies that actually existed. That puts it on roughly the same level as the movie King Kong, which refers to both Africa and New York, and to skyscr.apers and biplanes (all of which are real...so are they evidence that King Kong is literally true?).

      March 20, 2012 at 5:02 pm |
  8. prophet

    all those trying to get God to talk with them, i have one question to ask and that is has anyone ever shown them an act of kindness as this is God Talking with them.

    March 20, 2012 at 2:53 pm |
    • Jonah

      Call this # 1-888-731-1000 for help.

      March 20, 2012 at 2:56 pm |
    • Prayer is not healthy for children and other thinking beings

      @Cap'n Sayin Atheism Isn't an Angry Pervert Prophet
      What about when atheists demonstrate acts of kindness?

      March 20, 2012 at 2:57 pm |
    • the summit!

      Prophet,
      Earlier you said you talked to God, just like "just sayin".
      Now you are telling me that anyone doing a kind thing to me is God talking to me.

      Why didn't you say this earlier? I'm beginning to believe that I shouldn't be asking you for help any more. That was a cruel joke. My priests played cruel jokes on me like that too.

      March 20, 2012 at 2:58 pm |
    • just sayin

      Even a blind squirrel gets an acorn once in a while. Works, doing good have never been the issue with Christianity. Doing good will not earn your way into Gods favor. Salvation has always been by grace through faith.

      March 20, 2012 at 3:01 pm |
    • the summit!

      Oh... "just sayin"
      Your back! Yea!

      Maybe you can help. Prophet just turned out to be a false prophet.
      But you, you really do talk to God. Can you help me get God to talk to me?

      March 20, 2012 at 3:06 pm |
    • sam stone

      Gee, Just Sayin'...speaking for god again, eh?

      March 20, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
    • just sayin

      summit
      Hebrews chapter 1 verse 2. good place to start.

      March 20, 2012 at 3:47 pm |
    • AGuest9

      Why would someone who is atheist be concerned with earning their way into your imaginary god's "favor"?

      March 20, 2012 at 5:27 pm |
    • just sayin

      I hear God's voice, that is all that matters to me.

      March 20, 2012 at 5:29 pm |
  9. Dimitri

    This is a disgrace. Do you know how many of these abused victims are traumatized and probably gay. It is shown that abused victims often turn out that way, because of the situation which has been tormenting them. Only Jesus can help them now. The Vatican can apologize as many as they want but it has already been done. They just need to put surveillance or something in the cathedrals to know what the fathers are doing to them little boys.

    March 20, 2012 at 2:52 pm |
    • just sayin

      All is God's plan. There are no victims.

      March 20, 2012 at 5:34 pm |
  10. Callaghan

    Hope you are able to put this horrible tragedy behind and focus on doing good for humanity. We remember those countless priests and nuns who have served God and humanity sacrificing their all. The acts of a few does not define who you are.

    We hope that people who dedicate their lives to serving God will remain faithful to their calling.

    March 20, 2012 at 2:49 pm |
    • @youignantdotcom

      "The acts of a few does not define who you are."

      LOL a few? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

      March 20, 2012 at 3:51 pm |
  11. prophet

    some people on here quote how many years that they have been trying to talk with God, and this seems to vary so maybe thay need to keep more acccrate records as they may not be taking this too seriously and God is to us what we are to Him.

    March 20, 2012 at 2:45 pm |
    • the summit!

      Prophet,
      Why do you keep on saying some people, when you know it's me, "the summit!" ? Are you trying to not help me? Why? I don't understand.
      You talk to God. You must be special. If you don't help, I don't know what I am gonna do.

      March 20, 2012 at 2:50 pm |
  12. prophet

    ther are some things that peple have to do for themselves as this is their learning process.

    March 20, 2012 at 2:41 pm |
    • the summit!

      But how can I ask God what the problem is if he won't talk to me? You have to step in and help. God would want you to do this good deed, right?

      March 20, 2012 at 2:43 pm |
  13. prophet

    anybody who can't get God to talk with him needs to ask God what the problem is.

    March 20, 2012 at 2:37 pm |
    • the summit!

      Prophet,
      I've been doing that for 40 years! Still no answer. You talk to God, right?

      Can you ask him for me? Please?

      March 20, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
  14. William DeMuth

    News flash

    BIG quake in Mexico.

    Any Mexicans on this board?

    March 20, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
    • Urafkntool

      naww they're all here in Texas.

      March 20, 2012 at 3:27 pm |
  15. prophet

    sad but most persons who make primitive comments are not able to make up propor sentences and so this shows us the level and their inability to communicate in a normal manner. Their comments speak for themselves.

    March 20, 2012 at 2:20 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @prophet
      It is ironic that your statement contains incorrect capitalization and a run-on sentence.

      March 20, 2012 at 2:25 pm |
    • the summit!

      Phrophet,
      Are you saying God doesn't speek to me because of my education? My parents were poor and we could only afford up through the 10th grade. I had to work in a local toiletry factory to help get food on the table.

      I had no idea that God wouldn't like that. I'm sorry.

      What do I do now?

      March 20, 2012 at 2:27 pm |
    • William DeMuth

      Doc

      You missed an incorrect spelling in your assessment as well!

      March 20, 2012 at 2:31 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @William
      Him's done gots more gooder english than I has.

      March 20, 2012 at 2:46 pm |
  16. Ykcyc

    Vatican should beg forgiveness of all abuse victims they have lied to over the centuries.
    The reason people fall “prey” to religion, is the fact that Religion feeds and inflates a person’s ego (a false sense of self / “I”). It tells lies (what ego loves to hear) – you are important, god loves you, god will protect you. It creates a false sense of security. It creates a false sense of ident-ity(dumb bot) – you are a Christian, a Muslim, a Jew. You are unique. You are made in god’s image. You have a “special” relationship with god… You will not disappear into an oblivion, but will be saved and dwell in paradise forever. The ego just loves it – “I am actually somebody and not irrelevant, insignificant, just a passing through, imagined illusion / delusion / hallucination”.
    But a lie is a lie and if you believe a lie, your life will become one. The question is – do you have the courage to tell the Truth? The question is – are you your ego?

    March 20, 2012 at 2:20 pm |
    • Over It

      Ykcyc,

      I hope you save a copy of that to post to @Heaven Sent when she comes back on here with her, "stroke, stroke, stroke your ego" pap, aimed at non-believers.

      March 20, 2012 at 2:25 pm |
    • William DeMuth

      You miss the most critical point. To believe in one’s self is fine, but the thought pattern of religion is bigoted.

      It is used to rationalize atrocities. Those who do not follow one’s own dogma are evil incarnate.

      Self-righteousness is ALWAYS the foundation for bigotry, and religion is its justification.

      No creator of any value would provide preference to one of his creations over the other, yet the believers INSIST they alone understand God, and the others are doomed.

      This belief makes it easier to discriminate and even murder.

      March 20, 2012 at 2:44 pm |
    • Sue

      William, I think you are exactly right about that. Sad, but that is the way of religions.

      March 20, 2012 at 2:47 pm |
    • Ykcyc

      @William DeMuth
      The point I was trying to make is that any unconscious human thought (aka. ego based) is the root of human suffering. It is not limited to that of religion. Most leaders, like Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Hitler, etc., used "ideology" (communism, fascism, etc.) in the same way to replace one "religion" (belief) with their own, requiring blind faith and obedience without question, or else. Call it what you like, it is the same ugly thing. Unconsciousness. Ignorance. Ideologies. Insanity.
      By the way, before getting into a believe in one’s self, one has better have enough presence to know who that "one’s self" is.

      March 20, 2012 at 3:09 pm |
  17. prophet

    there was someone who commented on here that they would crucify someone if they came back but that person did not make it claer who that was, and if this person would do this what type of person is he, is he a muslim.

    March 20, 2012 at 2:11 pm |
    • @youignantdotcom

      you are re....tarded.....back to your moms basement.

      March 20, 2012 at 3:54 pm |
  18. prophet

    thye world and its politicains are all with the christians so they collaborate to control and this can be seen in the current elctions most belong to a christian religion but are immoral themselves so what is the difference between the vatican and the religious politicians, answer – the religion.

    March 20, 2012 at 2:08 pm |
  19. Herbie

    Why don't they just apologize to the whole world, & get it over with?

    March 20, 2012 at 2:03 pm |
  20. prophet

    it can be seen on here why people don't get a response from God, or at least thye think thye don't but its because they have not beena ble to out grow thier primitive thinking.

    March 20, 2012 at 2:00 pm |
    • the summit!

      Prophet,
      I don't know wher "just sayin" has gone, but at least you are still here to give me advise. So far I've done everything you have said. But still God doesn't speek to me. Why do yo think this is so?

      March 20, 2012 at 2:13 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Cap'n Sayin Atheism Isn't an Angry Perverted Prophet
      Your name is now so unwieldy, I had to make a macro for it.

      March 20, 2012 at 2:16 pm |
    • captain america

      Ass hole covers you Doc. There's your sign

      March 20, 2012 at 2:48 pm |
    • @youignantdotcom

      primitive thinking would be still believing in a god man created 2000 years ago.

      March 20, 2012 at 3:55 pm |
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