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March 20th, 2012
10:17 AM ET

Vatican begs forgiveness of Ireland abuse victims

By Richard Allen Greene and Peter Taggart, CNN

(CNN) - The Vatican begged forgiveness from Irish victims of child sexual abuse by priests as it released a major report into the problem Tuesday, but victims responded with anger and disbelief at the report's finding that new safeguards are working.

"With a great sense of pain and shame, it must be acknowledged that within the Christian community, innocent young people were abused by clerics," a high-level Catholic Church committee found.

"Those who should have exercised vigilance often failed to do so effectively," the committee found.

"For these faults, forgiveness must once more be asked: from God and from the victims!" the commission of top church leaders said.

The head of the Catholic Church in Ireland, Cardinal Sean Brady, echoed those words Tuesday.

"In expressing true sorrow and regret, we make our own the heartfelt plea for forgiveness from the victims, and from God, for these terrible crimes and sins," he said.

But activists for survivors of abuse said the report did not go nearly far enough.

"In a very, very small way in the summary they acknowledge the fact that damage has been done by what they call 'the problem' of the abuse of minors," said Jon McCourt of Survivors and Victims of Institutional Abuse.

But, he added, "the church could have used Ireland as a beacon of light and hope for victims of institutional and clerical abuse across the world. And it looks like the opportunity has been missed."

And a U.S.-based group dismissed the report as "another tired, ineffective re-hash of the promises made by U.S. bishops a decade ago, promises that have had little impact on this crisis."

"No institution can police itself, especially not an ancient, rigid, secretive all-male monarchy with a horrific history of ignoring and concealing child sex crimes," said Barbara Dorris, outreach director of SNAP, the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests.

She said internal reports were "nearly meaningless," and argued that "self-serving Catholic officials can't police or reform themselves," so secular authorities should do so.

"That's the real remedy - increase the will and the ability of independent professionals in law enforcement and the judiciary to investigate, expose, punish and deter child sex crimes and cover-ups," she said.

The Vatican suggests in its report Tuesday that the problem is largely in the past.

"Beginning in the 1990s, decisive progress has been made, leading to a greater awareness of the problem and profound changes in the way of addressing it," the report said.

Guidelines dating from 2008 "have proved to be an effective instrument for handling accusations of abuse and for increasing the awareness of the entire Christian community in the area of child protection," it continued.

"Much attention and care has been shown to the victims, both in terms of spiritual and psychological assistance and also from a legal and financial standpoint," the report said.

The investigators make a number of recommendations, including suggesting that seminaries do more to prepare candidates for the priesthood for "a life of priestly celibacy."

They also recommend that the Irish Church develop guidelines for what to do with priests who have been accused of abuse but whom authorities have declined to prosecute.

And they advise that procedures be put in place to help those falsely accused and then cleared of abuse, and where to house those who are convicted of abuse.

Pope Benedict XVI set up the investigation, formally known as an Apostolic Visitation, in response to a series of independent reports that found thousands of Irish children had been physically or sexually abused by Catholic clergy over several decades.

Confronted with accusations of abuse, bishops tended to move abusive priests to new parishes, the Irish government-backed reports found.

The most recent one, known as the Cloyne report, found that abuse and cover-ups continued well after the scandal broke, and after safeguards were established by the Catholic Church in Ireland.

- Newsdesk editor, The CNN Wire

Filed under: Catholic Church • Ireland

soundoff (356 Responses)
  1. Ben

    justsayinheavensentbadforchildren is pretty active today. Her parents must be away so she can get on the keyboard.

    March 20, 2012 at 9:05 pm |
    • sounds right

      unlike susie/granny13 who have a permanent abode here 24×7

      March 20, 2012 at 9:07 pm |
  2. WASP

    let's see if these symptoms remind you folks of anything........say how a religious nut like "just sayin'" acts.

    Schizophrenia
    Childhood-onset schizophrenia
    Last reviewed: February 7, 2010.
    Schizophrenia is a complex mental disorder that makes it difficult to:
    Tell the difference between real and unreal experiences
    Think logically
    Have normal emotional responses,
    Behave normally in social situations

    Causes, incidence, and risk factors
    Schizophrenia is a complex illness. Mental health experts are not sure what causes it. However, genetic factors appear to play a role.
    Certain environmental events may trigger schizophrenia in people who are genetically at risk for it.
    You are more likely to develop schizophrenia if you have a family member with the disease.
    Schizophrenia affects both men and women equally. It usually begins in the teen years or young adulthood, but may begin later in life. It tends to begin later in women, and is more mild.
    Childhood-onset schizophrenia begins after age 5. Childhood schizophrenia is rare and can be difficult to tell apart from other developmental disorders of childhood, such as autism.
    Symptoms
    Schizophrenia symptoms usually develop slowly over months or years. Sometimes you may have many symptoms, and at other times you may only have a few.
    People with any type of schizophrenia may have difficulty keeping friends and working. They may also have problems with anxiety, depression, and suicidal thoughts or behaviors.

    At first, you may have the following symptoms:
    Irritable or tense feeling
    Difficulty sleeping
    Difficulty concentrating
    As the illness continues, problems with thinking, emotions and behavior develop, including:
    Lack of emotion (flat affect)
    Strongly held beliefs that are not based in reality (delusions)
    Hearing or seeing things that are not there (hallucinations)
    Problems paying attention
    Thoughts "jump" between unrelated topics ( “loose associations”)

    Bizarre behaviors
    Social isolation
    Symptoms can vary, depending on the type of schizophrenia you have.
    Paranoid schizophrenia symptoms may include:
    Anxious
    Angry or argumentative
    False believes that others are trying to harm you or your loved ones.

    Disorganized schizophrenia symptoms may include:
    Problems with thinking and expressing ideas clearly
    Childlike behavior
    Showing little emotion
    Catatonic schizophrenia symptoms may include:
    Lack of activity
    Muscles and posture may be rigid
    Grimaces or other odd expressions on the face
    Does not respond much to other people
    Undifferentiated schizophrenia symptoms may include symptoms of more than one other type of schizophrenia.
    People with residual schizophrenia have some symptoms, but not as many as those who are in a full-blown episode of schizophrenia.

    March 20, 2012 at 8:58 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      nail on the head.

      just sayin, seek help. a good first move would be leaving the cult of christianity.

      March 20, 2012 at 9:02 pm |
    • Bing

      If you are using google try Bing it is better and might actually help with your 'Schizophrenic tendencies.'

      March 20, 2012 at 9:05 pm |
  3. Celtic

    Here is what they have to say back in Ireland. Check it out

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0320/abuse.html

    The church is not taking any responsibility this...................shocker

    March 20, 2012 at 8:48 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      if this is not an example of organized evil, not sure what is.

      March 20, 2012 at 8:58 pm |
    • Celtic

      Bootyfunk,

      What's really sad, I was born and raised in Ireland (proud of that!!!!) however where I grew up, you were pretty much forced fed the catholic hypocrisy.

      Can a person have faith yet not belong to any of these groups???????

      March 20, 2012 at 9:14 pm |
    • Urafkntool

      @Celtic: not sure. I'm agnostic. not sure if/what I believe.

      March 20, 2012 at 9:15 pm |
    • Celtic

      Now please keep in mind where I grew up......... What is your personal definition of Agnostic?

      March 20, 2012 at 9:28 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      different country, same situation. i was born into a southern baptist family. they also protect molesters.

      it's hard to escape the cult. and i don't mean that in an insulting way. christianity is a cult like any other. when a cult is accepted by society, it is called a religion.

      people can have faith in a higher power and not be a member of an organized religion, sure. or they can be what i call psuedo-christian, following the good parts of the religion, ignoring the crazy/evil parts, not really going to church/temple.

      but instead, why not have faith in humanity? check out Humanism as a much better ethical guide than any religion. compassion, truth and reason are the ways of Humanism. and it is an atheistic ethical system.

      March 20, 2012 at 9:30 pm |
    • Celtic

      Bootyfunk,

      Thank you for that reply. That was a really cool way to put it.

      March 20, 2012 at 9:45 pm |
    • Urafkntool

      @Celtic: German/Italian/English hybrid here. I spend a lot of time studying philosophy and religion because I question too much to really be considered "a person of faith." The only real difference between me and a lot of the people on here is that I don't feel a need to personally attack every "believer" I see.

      March 20, 2012 at 11:32 pm |
  4. Bootyfunk

    just sayin, how can you defend these guys? you are defending child molesters, you realize that?

    and honestly, what other organization protects a known child molester aside from christian/catholic churches? you molest a child and you get transferred to another parish to start all over again. if a teacher saw another teacher touching a child inappropriately, you expect that teacher to be fired and charges to be pressed. but if you have a white collar, you just have to move to another city when you assault a child.

    this is not meant as an insult, i'm asking serious questions here. how do you justify the leadership of a group that is supposedly "good" when the group collectively protects child molesters? how do you hold the standards of that groups morals/ethics up as 'right' when they knowingly protect men that strip away a child's innocence in the most heinous way imaginable?

    March 20, 2012 at 8:39 pm |
    • just sayin

      No one is defending anyone, it appears you have a serious problem.

      March 20, 2012 at 8:49 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      yes, i have a serious problem with child molestation. bull's eye. i have a serious problem with the church protecting these monsters. bull's eye again.

      and you're not defending them? man, straight up lie. here's an earlier post from just sayin:
      "How can you be angry at them? God's will is always done. They were doing his will and there should be no anger towards them and no victims."
      just scroll down to verify.

      and, of course, you STILL haven't answered my questions.

      March 20, 2012 at 8:56 pm |
    • just sayin

      The problem is with you, the more you post the more it becomes apparent that you have a serious problem and it is not with the church.

      March 20, 2012 at 8:59 pm |
    • just sayin

      Oh by the way that quote is probably you having stolen the name just sayin. Only a moron or the thief would presume to think that that was a just sayin post. We cannot be responsible for what has been stolen.

      March 20, 2012 at 9:02 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      STILL not answering my questions.

      March 20, 2012 at 9:03 pm |
  5. Frank

    Too little, too late, from an ex-Hitler youth who protected child molesters. Like so many, I use to be Catholic, until I realized how the religion oppresses women and is so mean and boring; backwards. Now, I really dislike The Church!

    March 20, 2012 at 8:24 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      amen, brother. you have seen the light!

      March 20, 2012 at 8:29 pm |
  6. Christianity is not healthy for children and other living things

    Christianity takes people away from actually working on real solutions to their problems.
    Christian prayer has been shown to have no discernible effect towards what was prayed for.
    Christianity prevents you from getting badly needed exercise.
    Christianity makes you fat.
    Christianity wears out your clothes prematurely.
    Christianity contributes to global warming through excess CO2 emissions.
    Christianity fucks up your knees and your neck and your back.
    Christianity can cause heart attacks, especially among the elderly.
    Christianity makes you frothy like Rick Santorum. See http://santorum.com to learn more.
    Christianity reveals how stupid you are to the world.
    Christianity exposes your backside to pervert priests.
    Christianity makes you think doilies are exciting.
    Christianity makes you secretively flatulent and embarrassed about it.
    Christianity makes your kids avoid spending time with you.
    Christianity gives you knobbly knees.
    Christianity makes you frothy like Rick Santorum. Just google him to find out.
    Christianity dulls your senses.
    Christianity makes you post really stupid shit.
    Christianity makes you hoard cats.
    Christianity makes you smell like shitty kitty litter and leads you on to harder drugs.
    Christianity wastes time.

    March 20, 2012 at 8:17 pm |
  7. Colin

    Who am I? I live in Ireland. I belong to a certain belief system. I want laws written so that all Irish, even those of a different religion, have to conform to MY beliefs. Whenever anybody tries to change those laws, I react with shock. But here's the best part. Even though I have the right to vote, the right to lobby the Irish Parliament and the right to publicly influnce the political system, I contribut nothing to it. Zero. I have never paid a tax in my adult life. I am...

    (a) a lazy n'er-do-well who comes from a wealthy family;
    (b) a politically connected memeber of the Irish mafia; or
    (c) an Irish Catholic Priest.

    March 20, 2012 at 7:05 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      oh oh oh, i got it! all three?

      March 20, 2012 at 7:08 pm |
    • Urafkntool

      How about D. A fkn tool?

      March 20, 2012 at 7:14 pm |
    • just sayin

      Who are you?
      A whiny, sniveling loser who posts hate on an anonymous blog.

      March 20, 2012 at 7:19 pm |
    • just sayin

      ...and in my pants.

      March 20, 2012 at 7:23 pm |
    • Colin

      Ah, Just Sayin, you again. Why is it that you constantly try to link my disbelief in the supernatural with some kind of moral or social shortcoming on my part? You do realize that there is nothing wrong with people just because they do not believe in the supernatural nonsense of Chritianity, right?

      March 20, 2012 at 7:26 pm |
    • just sayin

      You can't see your own prejudice and hatred ? Read your stuff sometime it should be a real eye opener.

      March 20, 2012 at 7:29 pm |
    • Denise

      just sayin: turn around. Look in mirror.

      And stop groping in your pants.

      March 20, 2012 at 7:53 pm |
    • just sayin

      Which just sayin are you concerned for as regards pants ?

      March 20, 2012 at 7:58 pm |
    • Celtic

      .................. because Ireland is the only country with this issue.

      What are choices for it here in the U.S

      March 20, 2012 at 8:40 pm |
  8. Bootyfunk

    is there any other organization, aside from NAMBLA, that protects child molesters as the Catholic Church does?

    March 20, 2012 at 6:55 pm |
    • just sayin

      Do you need one?

      March 20, 2012 at 7:03 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      sounds like you have a recommendation.

      March 20, 2012 at 7:04 pm |
    • Janine

      We know what just sayin really needs, and never gets.

      March 20, 2012 at 7:07 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      just sayin, do you have nieces and nephews? you're defending child molesters. not sure i'd leave them alone with someone like you...

      March 20, 2012 at 7:11 pm |
    • just sayin

      Sound like it was you who needs to be hidden. I mean you are the one posting under bootyfunk and bringing the issue up.

      March 20, 2012 at 7:22 pm |
    • just sayin

      In my pants, no less.

      March 20, 2012 at 7:24 pm |
    • Urafkntool

      @Bootyfunk: A-I-P-A-C, the A-D-L, and the S-P-L-C.

      March 20, 2012 at 7:28 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      just sayin's nephews: "no, daddy, i don't want to go over to uncle's house. please don't make me go!"

      and urafkntool - your name is perfect for you. perfect.

      by the way, i see that neither of you christian zombies answered my original question.

      March 20, 2012 at 8:28 pm |
    • just sayin

      Your vomit inducing problem was too obvious for an answer. The church is not guilty. You are.

      March 20, 2012 at 8:40 pm |
    • Urafkntool

      @bootyfunk: I'm not a Christian. try again. Actually, I did answer your question. All three organizations do exactly what you asked, because those individuals are good for their purpose: make whi-te-s look like we're not worth keeping in the world.

      March 20, 2012 at 8:58 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      okay, tool, you obviously hate jews. not really what we're talking about here, but i'm sure the rabbis do their share of inappropriate touchy-grabby too.

      March 20, 2012 at 9:10 pm |
    • Urafkntool

      That's not all they do. Come take a visit on st-or-mfr-o-n-t and see the research we've all put together to show ALL of the truth. If you want to know it, that is. Atheists claim you love the truth.. well, here's your opportunity to prove it.

      March 20, 2012 at 9:12 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      tool, go hang out with Commandant Mel Gibson and the other holocaust denying bone-heads.

      March 20, 2012 at 9:32 pm |
    • Urafkntool

      Not interested in facts and truth. gotcha.

      March 20, 2012 at 11:33 pm |
  9. Bootyfunk

    no forgiveness for these monsters. i wish there was a hell so they could go there.

    March 20, 2012 at 6:53 pm |
  10. Reality

    The Vatican should start by apologizing for the Infamous resurrection con they have been pulling for the last 2000 years. Of course, if they did that there would no longer be any theological basis for Christianity.

    To wit:

    ONLY FOR THE NEWCOMERS:

    Saving Christians from the Infamous Resurrection Con:

    From that famous passage: In 1 Corinthians 15 St. Paul reasoned, "If Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith."

    Even now Catholic/Christian professors of theology are questioning the bodily resurrection of the simple, preacher man aka Jesus.

    To wit;

    From a major Catholic university's theology professor’s grad school white-board notes:

    "Heaven is a Spirit state or spiritual reality of union with God in love, without earthly – earth bound distractions.
    Jesus and Mary's bodies are therefore not in Heaven.

    Most believe that it to mean that the personal spiritual self that survives death is in continuity with the self we were while living on earth as an embodied person.

    Again, the physical Resurrection (meaning a resuscitated corpse returning to life), Ascension (of Jesus' crucified corpse), and Assumption (Mary's corpse) into heaven did not take place.

    The Ascension symbolizes the end of Jesus' earthly ministry and the beginning of the Church.

    Only Luke records it. (Luke mentions it in his gospel and Acts, i.e. a single attestation and therefore historically untenable). The Assumption ties Jesus' mission to Pentecost and missionary activity of Jesus' followers The Assumption has multiple layers of symbolism, some are related to Mary's special role as "Christ bearer" (theotokos). It does not seem fitting that Mary, the body of Jesus' Virgin-Mother (another biblically based symbol found in Luke 1) would be derived by worms upon her death. Mary's assumption also shows God's positive regard, not only for Christ's male body, but also for female bodies." "

    "In three controversial Wednesday Audiences, Pope John Paul II pointed out that the essential characteristic of heaven, hell or purgatory is that they are states of being of a spirit (angel/demon) or human soul, rather than places, as commonly perceived and represented in human language. This language of place is, according to the Pope, inadequate to describe the realities involved, since it is tied to the temporal order in which this world and we exist. In this he is applying the philosophical categories used by the Church in her theology and saying what St. Thomas Aquinas said long before him."
    http://eternal-word.com/library/PAPALDOC/JP2HEAVN.HTM

    The Vatican quickly embellished this story with a lot CYAP.

    With respect to rising from the dead, we also have this account:

    An added note: As per R.B. Stewart in his introduction to the recent book, The Resurrection of Jesus, Crossan and Wright in Dialogue,

    p.4

    "Reimarus (1774-1778) posits that Jesus became sidetracked by embracing a political position, sought to force God's hand and that he died alone deserted by his disciples. What began as a call for repentance ended up as a misguided attempt to usher in the earthly political kingdom of God. After Jesus' failure and death, his disciples stole his body and declared his resurrection in order to maintain their financial security and ensure themselves some standing."

    p.168. by Ted Peters:

    Even so, asking historical questions is our responsibility. Did Jesus really rise from the tomb? Is it necessary to have been raised from the tomb and to appear to his disciples in order to explain the rise of early church and the transcription of the bible? Crossan answers no, Wright answers, yes. "

    So where are the bones"? As per Professor Crossan's analyses in his many books, the body of Jesus would have ended up in the mass graves of the crucified, eaten by wild dogs, covered with lime in a shallow grave, or under a pile of stones.

    March 20, 2012 at 6:19 pm |
    • .....

      Hit report abuse on all reality garbage

      March 20, 2012 at 6:31 pm |
  11. Literatus

    Alas, it will never be

    March 20, 2012 at 6:02 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      have hope. christianity membership declines every year. it'll happen. maybe not completely by the end of our lifetimes, but it'll happen. the shining light of information, reason and logic are pushing religion into the dark shadows. the internet is the ultimate fact checker, and christians hate facts. it'll happen. have 'faith', hehe.

      March 20, 2012 at 6:15 pm |
    • just sayin

      It began when Jesus split history into A.D. and B. C. The numbers were small at the beginning and have grown steadily ever since to become the major belief system on the planet. Decline ? Not likely. It is more likely that your family name will perish from the face of the earth. Christianity will be here forever.

      March 20, 2012 at 7:09 pm |
    • Denise

      Christianity sucks ass.

      March 20, 2012 at 7:54 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      of course you are wrong, as always, just sayin. the church constantly and loudly laments their drop in church attendees. which also means they can't fleece the old men and women out of their social security checks in the name of the lord on sundays, so lack of revenue too. church membership is declining. chrisitanity will some day take its place among the other mythologies, greek, roman, norse, egyptian, etc.

      March 20, 2012 at 8:32 pm |
    • just sayin

      You poor deluded fool, Christianity grows by divine intervention Jesus Christ was, is and forever shall be God.

      March 20, 2012 at 8:39 pm |
  12. Literatus

    I can't wait for the day when I turn on one of the news networks and see the images of the Vatican in ruins

    March 20, 2012 at 6:01 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      i'm with you, brother. churches will one day be labeled houses of ignorance.

      "hey, want to think like a 14th century monk? want to have your morals and ethics dictated by a book written in the iron age when people thought the earth was flat? want to feel guilty and fearful all the time? join christianity!"

      March 20, 2012 at 6:04 pm |
    • Reality

      Actually, the Vatican will one day become one of the great museums of art devoted to the Christian myths of an antoning magic man from Palestine, godly trinities, resurrection, miracles, ascensions, assumptions, wayward old European white men, heaven and hell.

      March 20, 2012 at 6:27 pm |
  13. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things .

    March 20, 2012 at 5:55 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      more like prayer keeps change from happening.

      if you want to effect change in your life, stop talking to your imaginary friends, go outside and make a difference.

      March 20, 2012 at 6:01 pm |
    • Jesus

      More lies on top of more lies. You've been proven a liar over and over again on this blog. A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested Friday morning...

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      Plus don't forget. The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!! .. .. .. ... .. . ..

      March 20, 2012 at 6:17 pm |
    • Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

      Prayer changes things
      A good man prays
      A great man acts on prayer
      Prayer changes things

      March 20, 2012 at 6:29 pm |
    • Denise

      Go play with yourself somewhere else.

      March 20, 2012 at 7:54 pm |
    • Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

      Prayer really changes things,

      March 20, 2012 at 7:59 pm |
    • steve

      i think my cat is atheist, he seems ok. and i'm sure my mango tree is atheist, mangoes taste good.

      March 20, 2012 at 8:23 pm |
    • Jesus

      "Prayer really changes things,"

      More lies on top of more lies. You've been proven a liar over and over again on this blog. A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested Friday morning...

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      Plus don't forget. The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!! .. .. .. ... .. .

      March 21, 2012 at 10:51 am |
  14. just sayin

    I am dancing around right now in my Jesus diapers and praising him

    March 20, 2012 at 5:50 pm |
    • J.W

      You are not the real just sayin

      March 20, 2012 at 5:54 pm |
    • just sayin

      No it is not

      March 20, 2012 at 5:56 pm |
    • lol

      I see no difference.. everything said under that nickname make just about the same bit of sense..

      March 20, 2012 at 5:58 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      weird. the content seems the same between the two - koo koo crazy.

      March 20, 2012 at 6:08 pm |
    • just sayin

      No it does not

      March 20, 2012 at 6:30 pm |
  15. Bootyfunk

    the catholic church is a disgusting collection of men that if they are not molesting children themselves, they are protecting their colleagues that molest children. how about you come out and back the victim and the police in helping to prosecute these heinous abusers instead of protecting them by moving them to another church to start over again?

    March 20, 2012 at 5:46 pm |
    • just sayin

      If you knew God and talke dot him like me, you wouldnt be saying what you did. Everything happens for his reason.

      March 20, 2012 at 5:47 pm |
    • Snow

      Question just sayin.. when you talk to god, as you claim you do, does he talk back? and does he tell you to do some things?

      March 20, 2012 at 5:50 pm |
    • just sayin

      Snow you are being silly now. Of course he talks back to me and I hear his voice.

      March 20, 2012 at 5:51 pm |
    • Snow

      so, when he talks to you, what sort of things does say? and what sort of things does he tell you to do?

      March 20, 2012 at 5:57 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      that you think children being molested, having their innocence forever shattered, is part of God's plan tells me how brainwashed you are. that is the most vile, disgusting thing i have ever heard.

      March 20, 2012 at 6:02 pm |
    • just sayin

      I can't tell you what he says – it's not very clear, because it's muffled since the voice comes from my pants.

      March 20, 2012 at 7:26 pm |
  16. Mr G

    I hope those sinful priests get capital punishment for their disgusting actions. This is the most disgusting and heinous crime ever committed by mankind.

    March 20, 2012 at 5:44 pm |
    • just sayin

      How can you be angry at them? God's will is always done. They were doing his will and there should be no anger towards them and no victims.

      March 20, 2012 at 5:46 pm |
    • J.W

      I do not think I agree that this is God's will. If you think everything is good because it is God's will, then you will agree that abortion and gay marriage are good too.

      March 20, 2012 at 5:53 pm |
    • just sayin

      This also is not just sayin

      March 20, 2012 at 5:57 pm |
    • Mr G

      We're going out of the subject but I'll add something from my knowledge. A human decides his/her fate because a human has free will. Let them be religious or aitheists. What matters is what their intentions and actions are.

      March 20, 2012 at 6:02 pm |
  17. just sayin

    Talk to Jesus by praying

    March 20, 2012 at 5:24 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      this also works for the tooth fairy and santa claus.

      March 20, 2012 at 5:44 pm |
    • just sayin

      I feel sorry for those that live thei rlife never hearing God's voice

      March 20, 2012 at 5:45 pm |
    • just sayin

      like you

      March 20, 2012 at 5:58 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      i know, you feel bad for free thinkers everywhere. and we feel bad for people like you who never escaped the cult of christianity.

      March 20, 2012 at 6:06 pm |
    • just sayin

      Everybody shhh, I can't hear my pants.

      March 20, 2012 at 7:27 pm |
  18. sharon

    Glad I left a church where covering up abuse and keeping the reputation of the church are the most important goals.

    March 20, 2012 at 4:34 pm |
  19. Prayer is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer makes you frothy like Rick Santorum. Just google him to find out or go to http://santorum.com

    March 20, 2012 at 4:18 pm |
  20. the summit!

    J.W and "just sayin" (and others)...
    Time for some levity. Check it out:
    http://www.gocomics.com/printable/doonesbury/2011/07/10/

    March 20, 2012 at 4:17 pm |
    • jimtanker

      Try these two from Pearls before Swine in order:

      http://cdn.svcs.c2.uclick.com/c2/3a8b1b6038c8012f2fd000163e41dd5b?width=900.0
      and
      http://cdn.svcs.c2.uclick.com/c2/376e6f9038c8012f2fd000163e41dd5b?width=900.0

      March 20, 2012 at 4:28 pm |
    • J.W

      But the croc who prayed never did get shot. It was just the atheist croc that got shot.

      March 20, 2012 at 4:41 pm |
    • Inspector Clouseau

      JW,
      Obviously croc prayers change things.

      March 20, 2012 at 5:16 pm |
    • just sayin

      You have to hear God's voice in order for prayer to work

      March 20, 2012 at 5:17 pm |
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