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March 21st, 2012
10:45 AM ET

Progressive group starts training pro-abortion rights religious leaders

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

(CNN) – A Washington advocacy group training in-the-trenches religious leaders to speak out on hot-button issues like abortion is nothing new.

But a liberal beltway group training left-leaning clergy to speak out for abortion rights is.

“Religion does support a woman’s personal decision-making about whether she is ready to become a parent,” said Sally Steenland, director of the Faith Initiative at the Center for American Progress, a progressive group that launched its Faith and Reproductive Justice Leadership Institute on Tuesday.

“We felt that the harsh anti-choice rhetoric dominating the public debate stigmatized women making these important decisions and claimed a monopoly on God, morality, and family values,” Steenland said in an e-mail message.

The Faith and Reproductive Justice Leadership Institute “will provide new and seasoned leaders with the resources they need to be effective faith advocates for women’s reproductive health,” according to a Center for American Progress press release.

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For four decades, opposition to abortion rights has been the core issue for the Christian right, drawing countless evangelicals and Catholics into the political fold. In recent years, Democrats and liberal activists have worked to reclaim part of the religion and values conversation.

“Too often conventional wisdom pits religion against reproductive rights,” Steenland said. “But for most women there is no conflict between their faith and their commitment to reproductive freedom.”

Steenland said that the Center for American Progress has been working toward the launch of the institute for two years but that the controversy over the White House’s contraception mandate for employees, including those at religious institutions, made the new program especially timely.

Some religious leaders, most vocally the Catholic Church, have alleged that requiring religious institutions to offer free contraception coverage through insurance companies violates those institutions’ religious liberty.

“Attacks on women’s health have been especially strong in the past several months – sometimes disguised as a religious liberty issue – which makes the Leadership Institute more important than ever,” Steenland said.

The Faith and Reproductive Justice Leadership Institute is hosting an initial training session over two days this week and has scheduled another one for September.

This year, the institute will train 20 faith leaders from across the country, including clergy, activists and staff from mainline denominations.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Abortion • Politics

soundoff (252 Responses)
  1. Pete

    May the road rise up to meet you
    May the wind be always at your back
    May the sunshine warm upon your face
    And the rains fall soft upon your fields
    And until we meet again
    May God hold you in the palm of his hand
    "An old Irish Blessing"
    You Atheists need this to exist in life,
    I know,I'm a stage 4 cancer survivor getting chemotherapy 24/7 for 8 months,and prayer DID HELP ,and I'm here to prove it!!! Amen

    March 22, 2012 at 2:43 pm |
    • Sue

      So, Pete, how about all those thousands of other sufferers from cancer that prayed, and still died? Does god love you more than them? If you avoided the recommended treatment and just prayed to god, do you think you would be as healthy? Many others have died by trusting 'god' to help them with medical problems.

      I wish you well re your illness, but your anecdote proves nothing about god, and if anything, the cancers that you and others suffer from make the Christian claims about god just silly and absurd.

      March 22, 2012 at 3:27 pm |
    • OhYeah

      "I know,I'm a stage 4 cancer survivor getting chemotherapy 24/7 for 8 months,and prayer DID HELP ,and I'm here to prove it!!"

      Prove what it was the chemo that made you live longer not prayer. Your fear of dying caused you to believe in an imaginary god to get you through that's nice. I bet if we talked about Santa to children with stage 4 cancer it would help them too. I know TinkerBell would work for the girls!

      March 22, 2012 at 3:50 pm |
    • fred

      Sue
      My mother had cancer and they did not want to do anything because it had gone too far. She was too weak for surgery or chemo/radiation. After weeks of prayer they agreed to chemo. After chemo they refused surgery but, we found a hospital willing to do it. The surgeons said she would not recover she lived 14years and died from a fall in the bathroom but was cancer free.
      Go figure
      We had a woman in our Bible study that was diagnosed with breast cancer. It was inoperable due to the nature and size of the tumors and she was told to get her things together. We prayed for her and the tumors went away. The doctors were shocked and said we must move quick with a radical mastectomy even though no further tumors could be seen on the MRI. We prayed for wisdom as we knew God showed a miracle and took away the cancer. How could we question God now by allowing surgery based only on the consensus opinion of oncologists that were wrong once already? She went for the surgery which we could not believe after the miracle we just witnessed. Alive and cancer free today she says God answered both prayers.
      Go figure

      March 22, 2012 at 5:05 pm |
    • fred

      Pete
      Say a prayer for Oh Yeah it is very hard to pretend being cold hearted.

      March 22, 2012 at 5:23 pm |
  2. Pete

    They have to talk to people of today.Priests,Pastors,many of them taught from texts written in the middle ages,have to modernize,update their teachings if they want to continue in their religious fields.There's no more witch hunts,burning at the stakes,stonings,etc...This is the 21st century,start teaching,preaching like it is.We're not the middle east living in the Dark Ages,and most certainly,we're not the pagans the earlier Christians descended from.We're Americans,we came here because of the religious persecution in England and other European countries our forefathers fought against.We need fresh minds,new ideas to intice new people in the search of God to feel at home in church.That's my two cents,from a Catholic who left the church because of its changing of direction,and mind set,thanks,Amen.....

    March 22, 2012 at 2:25 pm |
  3. Susie

    These "pastors" are going to have a hard time explaining this to their Boss.

    March 22, 2012 at 11:18 am |
    • sam stone

      really, susie? do you speak for the boss?

      March 22, 2012 at 1:31 pm |
  4. fred

    Christian prayer has been shown to have no discernible effect towards what was prayed for.
    Christianity makes you frothy in your south like Rick Santorum. See http://santorum.com
    Christianity prevents you from getting badly needed exercise.
    Christianity wears out your clothes prematurely.
    Christianity contributes to global warming through excess CO2 emissions.
    Christianity fucks up your knees and your neck and your back.
    Christianity can cause heart attacks, especially among the elderly.
    Christianity reveals how stupid you are to the world.
    Christianity exposes your backside to pervert priests.
    Christianity makes you think doilies are exciting.
    Christianity makes you secretively flatulent and embarrassed about it.
    Christianity makes your kids avoid spending time with you.
    Christianity gives you knobbly knees.
    Christianity dulls your senses.
    Christianity makes you post really stupid shit.
    Christianity makes you hoard cats.
    Christianity makes you smell like shitty kitty litter and leads you on to harder drugs.
    Christianity wastes time.

    March 22, 2012 at 9:15 am |
  5. Chad

    Christian prayer has been shown to have no discernible effect towards what was prayed for.
    Christianity makes you frothy in your south like Rick Santorum. See http://santorum.com
    Christianity prevents you from getting badly needed exercise.
    Christianity makes you fat.
    Christianity wears out your clothes prematurely.
    Christianity contributes to global warming through excess CO2 emissions.
    Christianity fucks up your knees and your neck and your back.
    Christianity can cause heart attacks, especially among the elderly.
    Christianity reveals how stupid you are to the world.
    Christianity exposes your backside to pervert priests.
    Christianity makes you think doilies are exciting.
    Christianity makes you secretively flatulent and embarrassed about it.
    Christianity makes your kids avoid spending time with you.
    Christianity gives you knobbly knees.
    Christianity dulls your senses.
    Christianity makes you post really stupid shit.
    Christianity makes you hoard cats.
    Christianity makes you smell like shitty kitty litter and leads you on to harder drugs.
    Christianity wastes time.

    March 22, 2012 at 9:13 am |
    • Jeff

      Thanks for the bigotry. All the points you made are purely from your subjective, mean spirited point of view. Typical Atheist attack tactic. Your statements show just how ignorant you truly are. However, say what you will, but being a Christian myself and knowing full well what it means to me, my family and everyone I know who is a Christian, your points are actually invalid because until you walk in our footsteps, you have no idea what you're talking about. As I stated earlier, you have no understanding of real Christians..only what the media and your other atheist friends tell you. A typical myth is we're uneducated and stupid.. not so buddy.

      March 22, 2012 at 12:14 pm |
    • Jeff is very stupid.

      Jeff, that content that you are whining about isn't bigoted. It's mainly factual.

      Wow, bad enough that you are Christian, but it's truly awful that you are spreading that sickness among your family too. How sad.

      Well, maybe some of the kids will be smart enough to see through the religious hocus pocus. Too bad you aren't.

      March 22, 2012 at 1:28 pm |
    • Jeff is very stupid.

      And by the way, stupid Jeff, as for "walking in your footsteps", pretty much every person in North America has had to put up with your horrible religion being foisted on them from childhood on. Many of us are just smart enough to see right through your Christian fairy tales, whereas you aren't. Take your evil religion and your wicked, bigoted bible and shove it.

      You evil, stupid religious bigot.

      March 22, 2012 at 1:33 pm |
  6. JohnQuest

    fred, have you ever consider that cold reality is we are but products of this planet like fish and all the other animals. The greater purpose we serve is to ourselves and each other (including future generations). Also that cold physics book is the reason why we are still here and enjoying this one and only life.

    I know it’s cold but the only way to move forward is to leave those outdated concepts behind. I would submit that even you have left a fair majority of those bronze age myths behind, I take it you think slavery is immoral, you would not see a shaman if you were sick nor visit a doctor that still practiced "bleeding".

    Also, I think you can admit that at best you are agnostic, you really don't know if there is a God, you may wish there were, you may act and live like there were but in truth you really don't know, how could you. I don't know either, but I came to the conclusion that the world works as if there were no Gods, there is no evidence of a God so there probably is no God.
    I wonder as SH has stated, what would happen if we all woke up one morning with no memory and have to start from scratch, when would "God" show up?

    March 22, 2012 at 6:22 am |
    • derf

      Do you like cold reality with a sauce? Or is it better with little slices of fruit and brie?

      March 22, 2012 at 8:13 am |
    • Mike from CT

      What makes you think it is outdate? What evidence do you have for such a statement?

      Today the Gospel still transcends and transforms people and nations the way it always has back in Ephesus.

      To say it comes from the "bronze" age is no defense at all, so does math and road building.

      March 22, 2012 at 8:35 am |
    • Really?

      "Today the Gospel still transcends and transforms people and nations the way it always has back in Ephesus."

      No it doesn't only 30% of people on this planet believe in your version of religion. It's amazing the lies Christians tell themselves to believe in their cult.

      March 22, 2012 at 8:40 am |
    • Mike Melendez

      "I came to the conclusion that the world works as if there were no Gods."

      I'm puzzled. Where did you get the information that told you how the world would work without gods? Your conclusion sounds tautological. I suspect you or your source reasoned, "If I were God, I wouldn't do it this way. Therefore there is no God." Here, I agree. I also do not believe you are God.

      March 22, 2012 at 10:01 am |
    • Primewonk

      @ Mike – The theory of evolution works just fine on earth to describe the diversification of life. No god or gods needed. The theory of gravity works just fine on earth, and elsewhere in the universe. No god or gods needed. Same with electromagnetic theory, quantum theory, atomic theory, germ theory, etc. In none of these is a god needed, required, or used.

      Sorry.

      March 22, 2012 at 10:40 am |
    • Jeff

      Actually, I do know. 100% beyond a shadow of a doubt.. God is about as real as the nose on your face.. but without faith, you'll never know it.. You have to take that step of faith.. then God reaches out and touches you.. and you will never ever forget that experience. I was not always a Christian... so I know God changes lives and changes hearts. 🙂

      March 22, 2012 at 12:18 pm |
    • Reallly?

      "Actually, I do know. 100% beyond a shadow of a doubt.. God is about as real as the nose on your face.. but without faith, you'll never know it.. You have to take that step of faith.. then God reaches out and touches you.. and you will never ever forget that experience. I was not always a Christian... so I know God changes lives and changes hearts"

      Actually your wrong most atheist posting on this blog are former Christians, so no your god does not change lives and hearts. Prayer has been proven to be a waste of time because your god doesn't exist.

      March 22, 2012 at 3:05 pm |
  7. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer really changes things
    Proven

    March 22, 2012 at 4:29 am |
    • Jesus

      ~You've been proven a liar over and over again on this blog. A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested Friday morning...

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      Plus don't forget. The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!!~~

      March 22, 2012 at 8:16 am |
    • 1 Timothy 2

      1 I urge, then, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for all people— 2 for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. 3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.

      March 22, 2012 at 8:18 am |
    • Jesus

      "1 I urge, then, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for all people— 2 for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. 3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth."

      Don't bother it's been proven to be a waste of time, instead get involved in your towns to make for a better society like the Atheists do.

      March 22, 2012 at 8:32 am |
    • Chad

      Christian prayer has been shown to have no discernible effect towards what was prayed for.
      Christianity makes you frothy in your south like Rick Santorum. See http://santorum.com
      Christianity prevents you from getting badly needed exercise.
      Christianity makes you fat.
      Christianity wears out your clothes prematurely.
      Christianity contributes to global warming through excess CO2 emissions.
      Christianity fucks up your knees and your neck and your back.
      Christianity can cause heart attacks, especially among the elderly.
      Christianity reveals how stupid you are to the world.
      Christianity exposes your backside to pervert priests.
      Christianity makes you think doilies are exciting.
      Christianity makes you secretively flatulent and embarrassed about it.
      Christianity makes your kids avoid spending time with you.
      Christianity gives you knobbly knees.
      Christianity dulls your senses.
      Christianity makes you hoard cats.
      Christianity makes you smell like shitty kitty litter and leads you on to harder drugs.
      Christianity wastes time.

      March 22, 2012 at 9:14 am |
    • Jeff

      There was man stranded on his roof during a flood.. He prayed to god for help.. a man with a boat came along and offered him a ride, but he said no. he continue to pray and helicopter came along and he still said no.. Finally, the man drowned.. and he asked God.. "Why didn't you help me?".. God Said "What do you mean? I sent you a boat and a helicopter and you still refused". So the reality of this story is there is such a thing as blind faith.. and then there is the real faith of God. Also, science has tried dozens of times to make non-tangible things tangible in order to collect static data... God doesn't work that way.. The reality is, I have had my prayers answered dozens and dozens of times.. and I have had God open doors for me that otherwise would have never been opened. It's real..very very real.. but you have to have faith to take that first step.. I was lost/blind, but now I see are not just words in a hymnal.

      March 22, 2012 at 12:23 pm |
    • Sue

      Jeff, present the case of one prayer of yours that has been 'answered', with incontrovertible proof that the result was of divine cause.

      Good luck. You will be the first person to ever do that, if you succeed.

      March 22, 2012 at 2:31 pm |
  8. truth

    20 Woe to those who call evil good
    and good evil,
    who put darkness for light
    and light for darkness,
    who put bitter for sweet
    and sweet for bitter!
    21 Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes,
    and shrewd in their own sight!
    22 who acquit the guilty for a bribe,
    and deprive the innocent of his right!

    March 22, 2012 at 4:12 am |
    • liz48

      Thank you!

      In man's pride, he creates the "god" he likes. satan is called the father of lies, and those who follow him do as he does – lie and deceive often themselves and others....

      March 22, 2012 at 8:09 am |
    • Over It

      liz 48 – "In man's pride, he creates the "god" he likes"

      There is no other way to do it, since the properties and attributes of said "god" are unknown. There is no verified evidence for the god of the Judeo-Christian Bible. You have chosen the god that you like.

      March 22, 2012 at 11:47 am |
  9. Aristocles

    So, they are teaching religious leaders how to violate their own scriptures. This will go nowhere.

    March 22, 2012 at 2:59 am |
  10. Ridiculous

    As the next generation is brought up they will think of how stupid their parents really were to believe this religious b.s.

    March 22, 2012 at 12:11 am |
    • fred

      or they may be lost with only a cold physics book for warmth and the theory of evolution that reaffirms were are but animals serving no greater purpose than that of fish or monkey

      March 22, 2012 at 1:32 am |
    • liz48

      There may be few of such a next generation – they will either know and respect the God, Creator of the universe, or in their lack of meaning in life will kill themselves or self destruct. The rate of suicide is extremely high among the so called non-God people, and the rate of depression etc is also very high among them.

      A church or denomination affiliation means nothing – a person who follows God follows and obeys God's Word in the Bible.

      March 22, 2012 at 8:12 am |
    • Really?

      "The rate of suicide is extremely high among the so called non-God people, and the rate of depression etc is also very high among them."

      It's amazing how much Christians lie on this blog and go against their own rule book.

      March 22, 2012 at 8:18 am |
  11. Reality

    The training of pro-abortion religious leaders is not necessary. What is necessary are two very simple measures. Women on the Pill must take the Pill daily and men must use a condom.

    March 21, 2012 at 11:51 pm |
    • SPA Knight

      That's less freedom that we allow our farm animals. A pathway to less dignity.

      March 22, 2012 at 11:11 am |
    • Reality

      Obviously, some here have not spent much time at today's modern, contraception-controlled, dairy farms and cattle ranches.

      March 22, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
  12. Danae

    A healthy society should always separate state and church. Neither should have a place in the bedrooms of any nation. If that were the case, the decision to carry a baby to term or abort would rest solely with the woman and man in question. I have a friend who chose to abort her child because her husband was violent and came from a violent family. She is a practicing Christian, and while there was some conflict for her between the right to abort and her Christian beliefs, she deemed it far worse to bring a child into such a violent environment. She then divorced this man within the year. He continued to make threats to her afterwards because he doesn't know any other way to communicate. In my books, she did the right thing. Bringing a child up in violence or staying in a violent relationship breeds more violence. At the end of the day, abortion is a personal, not state or religious decision.

    March 21, 2012 at 9:48 pm |
    • liz48

      She played God and committed murder...there is no excuse for it – calling herself a "christian" or not. She could have divorced the man and left to a better environment. Abortion could have been avoided.

      Bottom line – God tells us that we are His followers ONLY if we obey His Commandments. If you choose not to obey you are NOT His follower; though you may think you are one.

      March 22, 2012 at 8:16 am |
    • Really?

      "Abortion could have been avoided.

      Bottom line – God tells us that we are His followers ONLY if we obey His Commandments. If you choose not to obey you are NOT His follower; though you may think you are one"

      Don't you just love seeing Christians breaking their own rule book by passing judgments on others. What a hypocrite.

      March 22, 2012 at 8:36 am |
    • Susie

      I will keep my child from harm by...k i l l i n g him? That makes a sense.

      March 22, 2012 at 11:23 am |
    • Susie

      a lot*

      March 22, 2012 at 11:24 am |
    • Mary

      I believe abortion is wrong. I want to say most abortion, but that would be wrong, too..I would take life over death, but, some of us want to die, and should die..

      March 22, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
  13. Jesus

    Atheism is bad for children pray for their awakening

    March 21, 2012 at 9:39 pm |
    • Jesus

      Keep showing you have no integrity...what's funny is you're taking the lords name in vain now too. LMAO

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      Plus don't forget. The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!!

      March 21, 2012 at 9:44 pm |
    • AGuest9

      Wow! Listen to the whining when someone uses YOUR names, but you feel no shame in just lyin.

      March 21, 2012 at 10:19 pm |
    • just sayin

      Sorry you two are certainly not prophets, I will challenge you all every day and twice on Sunday but will never use your own name to do it. I do not need to. I have consistently opposed those who steal names and think they are lower than dirt.

      March 22, 2012 at 4:28 am |
    • Really?

      "Sorry you two are certainly not prophets, I will challenge you all every day and twice on Sunday but will never use your own name to do it. I do not need to. I have consistently opposed those who steal names and think they are lower than dirt."

      Yeah we've noticed you don't have a real life and spend all your time on this forum. I hope you are not married or have children because your neglect of them would speak volumes. We know you can't deal with reality.

      March 22, 2012 at 8:38 am |
    • AGuest9

      So, you don't post under other's names? That's a crock. You must have a post-it note on the side of your monitor with all your names written on it!

      March 22, 2012 at 9:38 am |
  14. Jesus

    prayer changes everything

    March 21, 2012 at 9:38 pm |
    • Jesus

      So now you stoop to the very thing you criticize on this blog how typical of Christians. Thanks for proving you are a LIAR! A true Christian would have had a stronger backbone that this to show their integrity but we all know you're lacking in that area too.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      Plus don't forget. The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!!

      March 21, 2012 at 9:41 pm |
  15. fred

    Thank you again for proving the imposibility of study as to the effectiveness of prayer. One of the prayers was a placebo or perhaps both of them..................................how can you tell........................oh I see the problem. Dear God please let jesus see the problem with attempting a double blind study of prayer effectivness.

    March 21, 2012 at 9:30 pm |
    • Jesus

      "oh I see the problem. Dear God please let jesus see the problem with attempting a double blind study of prayer effectivness."

      More lies on top more lies with no proof. An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      Plus don't forget. The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!! ..

      Keep proving me correct.

      March 21, 2012 at 9:32 pm |
    • Jesus

      "Thank you again for proving the imposibility of study as to the effectiveness of prayer. " – Thanks for proving to everyone that you are a LIAR

      March 21, 2012 at 9:33 pm |
  16. Truthfully

    Well on one side we have those who believe abortion = killing an innocent baby that is in the process of being formed and on the other side you have those who say it's not killing an innocent baby but even if it were it's nobody else's business. Still waiting to hear where those who support abortion would draw the line. Kill a fetus? Kill a baby? Kill a toddler? ...waiting for a logical answer. A fetus is living until the life is snuffed out.

    March 21, 2012 at 9:27 pm |
  17. Dave, Central Illinois

    The lowlife calling itself "Jesus" is a prime example of the bitter Left. Whatever your name is, let's just call you coward, your "facts" actually show that over 20 years 172 children have died who belong to families of faith. Now, using that logic, there were literally millions saved by prayer. Coward, you need to think a little before spouting. Typical big mouthed LIb!

    March 21, 2012 at 8:57 pm |
  18. Bobs Friend

    Hello all you sinners and Saints!
    These poor people.. so far from God it is incomprehensible. People, you don't even need the Bible to inform you that creating human beings and then destroying them is evil. Nevertheless all these "compassionate" people will get on here with their reasons for killing their children. God help us!

    "I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever" ...Thomas Jefferson

    March 21, 2012 at 8:14 pm |
    • Nonovyerbeezwax

      Not your fetus, not your choice. Don't want to cause an abortion? Don't have s3x unless you use a rubber, Bobby.

      March 21, 2012 at 9:07 pm |
  19. Kellie`

    I don't care what religion you are or your lack thereof ....abortion is not the answer, self responsibility is. A child is a gift and if you are not responsible enough to take care of not getting pregnant you should look at other options when you do find your self in the "unwanted predicament". There are so many couples out there that would make great parents and would do anything to have this special gift. PLEASE think of adoption first.

    March 21, 2012 at 7:56 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Oh, blow it out your ear. If you don't approve of abortion, then don't have one. You have no say in what others do with their bodies. And don't even bother with the idiot argument that a fetus is "another body". Doesn't matter. Not your fetus, not your business.

      March 21, 2012 at 8:24 pm |
  20. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    March 21, 2012 at 7:47 pm |
    • fred

      Yes it does. Thanks for reminding me.

      March 21, 2012 at 8:16 pm |
    • Jesus

      - You've been proven a liar over and over again on this blog. A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested Friday morning...

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      Plus don't forget. The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!! .. .. .. ... .. .

      March 21, 2012 at 8:34 pm |
    • fred

      Jesus
      Forget the CCU studies they are not accredited. Even Jesus did not heal people that could have been saved by simply using their heads. Prayer does have effect, just no way to measure it that we know of today.

      March 21, 2012 at 8:47 pm |
    • Jesus

      "Jesus
      Forget the CCU studies they are not accredited. "

      More lies on top of more lies....and excuses too. If you had proof you would have used it by now. You're nothing more than a LIAR.

      March 21, 2012 at 8:48 pm |
    • fred

      All right jesus that does it, prayer on its way. Father please make jesus stop his rediculas posts.

      March 21, 2012 at 9:00 pm |
    • Jesus

      "All right jesus that does it, prayer on its way. Father please make jesus stop his rediculas posts."

      more lies on top of more lies...and you're prayers won't be answered proving me correct.

      March 21, 2012 at 9:08 pm |
    • fred

      Thank you jesus for participating. You have just proven why studies on the effectiveness of prayer are a waste of time. If you wish to prove it again. Dear Lord please make jesus stop posting right now.

      March 21, 2012 at 9:19 pm |
    • Jesus

      "Thank you jesus for participating. You have just proven why studies on the effectiveness of prayer are a waste of time. If you wish to prove it again. Dear Lord please make jesus stop posting right now."

      You can't prove the studies wrong so you keep making up lies on top of lies. Keep posting your useless prayers proving the studies and I correct.

      March 21, 2012 at 9:21 pm |
    • Primewonk

      Fred wrote, "Forget the CCU studies they are not accredited. "

      What in the world do you mean by "not accredited"?

      March 22, 2012 at 8:16 am |
    • Susie

      Jesus the only CCU double blind study I fould confirmed that prayer does work http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10547166

      March 22, 2012 at 11:34 am |
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