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Atheist rally continues in spite of rain; students highlighted throughout
March 24th, 2012
05:44 PM ET

Atheist rally continues in spite of rain; students highlighted throughout

By Dan Merica, CNN

Washington (CNN)– Billed as a watershed moment in the atheism movement, a gathering of atheists, agnostics and humanists drew large numbers of non-theists to the Washington Mall Saturday despite bad weather.

Put on by a coalition of atheist and humanist organizations, the rally was touted as the largest gathering of non-theists in the history of the world. Headlined by a number of high-profile speakers, including Richard Dawkins, the author of “The God Delusion,” organizers said the event shows that atheism is a powerful minority in American life.

“We will never be closeted again,” said David Silverman, the rally’s head organizer. “In years to come, the Reason Rally will be seen as the beginning of the end to the religious right’s grip” on American life.

With thunderstorms moving through the area, rain had threatened to dampen the event. However, Silverman and other organizers said they were elated by the turnout, especially in light of the rain.

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The idea of thousands of atheists gathering drew the ire of religious groups. Members of the Westboro Baptist Church, a controversial group known for picketing and protesting at funerals of U.S. service members, were in attendance and chanted at the rally-goers.

In large part however, protests were rare and not aggressive.

Silverman had said prior to the event that the rally would not be an exercise in “religion bashing,” but in a number of instances, religion and the belief in God was, in fact, denounced.

Taslima Nasrin, the author of “Shame,” categorized the Muslim prophet Mohammed as a charlatan, a pedophile and a rapist. A wooden cross was constructed in the middle of the crowd and a sign that read “Banish the 10 Commandments to the dustbin of history,” was hung from it.

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Under umbrellas and ponchos, college insignia and fresh faces dotted the rally crowd.

For many of the students in attendance, the event was more than just a large gathering; for them, it was a coming-out party.

“The reason why events like this help is because of the confidence people get in seeing other people that think like you,” said Mark D. Hatcher, founder of the Secular Student Alliance at Howard University in Washington. “It is important to realize you are not alone.”

Hatcher and other atheists have co-opted much of the same lingo used in the gay rights movement. “Coming out” and “in the closest” are both terms regularly used because, according to Hatcher, telling people you are an atheist is comparable to telling people you are gay.

“Being younger, you are especially exposed to being labeled a pariah when you come out of the closet,” Hatcher said.

Rebecca Cunningham, a graduate of the University of Michigan, said that her freshman year at college was that moment for her. Cunningham was raised in a Christian family, but a few months before leaving for school, she started to doubt her belief in God.

Shortly after arriving at Michigan, Cunningham went to a Secular Student Alliance meeting.

“It helped me come out,” Cunningham said. “It was the first group of people that I met who weren’t religious in some form. They taught me that it was OK; they taught me that I was OK.”

Jesse Galef, the alliance’s communications director, said stories such as Cunningham’s show why his group tries to mobilize on campuses.

“One of the biggest things we do at the Secular Student Alliance is connect them [local groups] with a larger movement that is supporting them and giving them a grass-roots presence,” said Galef.

Jessica Ahlquist, a 16-year-old high school student who won a lawsuit against her city for a prayer banner that was displayed in her high school, was also a speaker at the event.

She touched upon the need for more student groups in high schools and colleges during her remarks. After the speech, she told CNN that students are a critical place for the atheism movement to focus its efforts.

“This community is all about bringing people together and talking about a secular future,” Ahlquist said. “I think that future comes from the students.”

- Dan Merica

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  1. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things .

    March 25, 2012 at 4:49 pm |
    • Chris

      Your a troll!

      March 25, 2012 at 4:54 pm |
    • Observer

      And what a fine, faithful troll it is.

      March 25, 2012 at 5:05 pm |
  2. thecollegeadmissionsguru

    I am saddened by the resurgence of all the religious nutjobs in this election cycle. It heartens me when atheists get together and share some common sense dialog.

    March 25, 2012 at 4:30 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      Common sense is not in their vocabulary.

      March 25, 2012 at 4:43 pm |
    • Chris

      I truely believe that we as a species will not make it if we can't get past this religion nonsense.

      Unfortunately, you can't get elected to high office (let alone city dog catcher) if you don't poster and pander to the religious nutjobs!

      March 25, 2012 at 4:45 pm |
    • Observer

      True belief is awe-inspiring, Chris. It looks good on you. But I imagine religion has always been a feature of human thought. Why do away with it (assuming you could)?

      March 25, 2012 at 5:14 pm |
    • Chris

      Observer

      Why do away with religion? The quick easy answer is September 11, and every suicide bombing thats occured since. There is a reason you'll never hear of an antheist suicide bomber.

      Instead of building churches all across the country, we built water treament facilities in some of the areas where it's still impossible to get a clean drink of water. How's that for starters?

      March 25, 2012 at 8:45 pm |
  3. Chad

    What about the actual physical evidence, attested by the virtually every scholar (liberal and conservative, including the "Jesus Seminar and Richard Dawkins himself):
    1. Jesus of Nazareth lived
    2. Jesus of Nazareth was crucified for claiming to be the Son of God
    3. After three days, the tomb was found to be empty by a group of His women followers
    4. Many people, followers and enemies, reported seeing a resurrected Jesus
    5. Following these sightings, those followers experienced radical changes in behavior, from hiding to proclaiming a resurrected Jesus, and willing to die for the truth of that statement.

    Now, those facts are not in dispute by any liberal or conservative scholar, see also "athestsforjesus.com" of which Dawkins is a member.

    so, how do you explain it?

    March 25, 2012 at 4:29 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      What does that have to do with anything?

      March 25, 2012 at 4:31 pm |
    • thecollegeadmissionsguru

      Chad

      What about the actual physical evidence, attested by the virtually every scholar (liberal and conservative, including the "Jesus Seminar and Richard Dawkins himself):
      1. Jesus of Nazareth lived (There is not ONE contemporary historian who wrote about a physical Jesus, NOT ONE)
      2. Jesus of Nazareth was crucified for claiming to be the Son of God (Again, there is no evidence of this in any historical record.)
      3. After three days, the tomb was found to be empty by a group of His women followers (And, you evidence of this is what?)
      4. Many people, followers and enemies, reported seeing a resurrected Jesus
      5. Following these sightings, those followers experienced radical changes in behavior, from hiding to proclaiming a resurrected Jesus, and willing to die for the truth of that statement. (Many who have worshiped deities throughout history have been willing to die for said religion. Further, your information is flawed and based on wishful thinking, nothing else.)

      Now, those facts are not in dispute by any liberal or conservative scholar, see also "athestsforjesus.com" of which Dawkins is a member. (ALL of your so called FACTS are very much disputed by many, even by many so called theological scholars. I do wish folks like you wouldn't type this drivel without providing some evidence for your claims. )

      so, how do you explain it?

      March 25, 2012 at 4:35 pm |
    • Chris

      I beg to differ sir!

      MAYBE your first two assertions MIGHT be true, the rest is hersay and NOT FACT. What next?

      March 25, 2012 at 4:35 pm |
    • Esther

      Those are very Interesting questions Chad.

      March 25, 2012 at 4:36 pm |
    • Richard

      The Romans who ruled the land at that time were far better record keepers than the Jews. And the Romans really have no record of things like the the sky darkening and all that sort of non-sense. If the Jesus Inciident really happened you would think they would give up crucifixion pretty quickly.
      The fairy tale scrolls that were recovered lifetimes later have been interpreted many times over and all the new testament stuff is mostly the same story told different ways. Go look at what the editors of the Bible decided to leave out.
      The "Holy Book" is little better than Aesops Fables. Your religion is just a mutation along the monotheistic path.

      March 25, 2012 at 4:39 pm |
    • thecollegeadmissionsguru

      There was only ONE question, Esther, and a LOT of erroneous statement with little or no evidence to support them.

      March 25, 2012 at 4:41 pm |
    • thecollegeadmissionsguru

      @Richard! Well said.......

      March 25, 2012 at 4:42 pm |
    • Why do Christians lie so much?

      What the hell are you talking about? There is no independant evidence for any of that. Are you really going to continue asserting that Richard Dawkins attests to that rubbish? Does he know you are speaking for him?

      What a liar!

      You are one tall stack of stupid!

      March 25, 2012 at 4:43 pm |
    • Chad

      @Voice of Reason "What does that have to do with anything?"
      @Chad "Its the basis of Christianity, I"d say it's pretty important"

      @thecollegeadmissionsguru "[those arent facts]" (paraphrase mine)
      @Chad "yes they are, and I dont really argue with people that dont acknowledge it. I'm actually quite happy to demonstrate that to believe what you believe, puts you in opposition to commonly accepted historical facts.

      "Most modern historians agree that Jesus existed and was a Jewish teacher from Galilee in Roman Judaea, who was baptized by John the Baptist, and was crucified in Jerusalem on the orders of the Roman Prefect, Pontius Pilate, on the charge of sedition against the Roman Empire. [23][24][25][8] Scholars have offered competing descriptions and portraits of Jesus, which at times share a number of overlapping attributes, such as a rabbi, a charismatic healer, the leader of an apocalyptic movement, a self-described Messiah, a sage and philosopher, or a social reformer who preached of the "Kingdom of God" as a means for personal and egalitarian social transformation." – wikipedia

      March 25, 2012 at 4:48 pm |
    • Chad

      @Why do Christians lie so much? "Are you really going to continue asserting that Richard Dawkins attests to that rubbish? Does he know you are speaking for him?"

      @Chad: :Check out for yourself at atheistsforjesus.com of which Richard Dawkins is a member, see here for him wearing a T-shirt of same:
      http://richarddawkins.net/articles/20-atheists-for-jesus

      March 25, 2012 at 4:59 pm |
    • wteague

      Chad and others here not surprisingly make irrational, unfounded and factually challenged arguments because??? Because to "keep the faith" they must argue against reason and fact. As long as they don't question too much, it may give them some comfort, but the very presence of those who don't believe (in Santa, the fairies, and other wishful fantasies), is a threat to their hallucinations. I almost wrote "voluntary hallucinations," but that would be inaccurate. Fear based thinking prevents most choice. So go with Santa's grace and lets hope the interstellar police prevent us from destroying most life on this planet. After all, we are all humans even if not by choice.

      March 25, 2012 at 5:37 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Chard, the reason you don't argue with those who don't confuse your beliefs with facts is that you can't. There is no argument. There is no proof that Jesus was anything more than a man. Not a shred of evidence.

      Of course you don't argue. There's nothing factual you can produce to support any argument you make.

      March 25, 2012 at 5:51 pm |
    • Christ Denier

      @ Chad:

      1. Jesus of Nazareth lived – actually only hearsay, and the fact is that if you read the four gospels, four different Jeebuses are attested to, not a single Jeebus.
      2. Jesus of Nazareth was crucified for claiming to be the Son of God – if he did live, it was the fact that he was inconvenient to the reigning powers, not that he claimed to be God's son.
      3. After three days, the tomb was found to be empty by a group of His women followers – absolutely ZERO evidence, and the very nature of the Resurrection violates the natural laws "God" supposedly "designed."
      4. Many people, followers and enemies, reported seeing a resurrected Jesus – disputed by the Bible itself.
      5. Following these sightings, those followers experienced radical changes in behavior, from hiding to proclaiming a resurrected Jesus, and willing to die for the truth of that statement – none of them was willing to die. There is no record of anyone giving themselves over to death – within or without the Bible – for Jeebus' words.

      FAIL.

      March 25, 2012 at 8:35 pm |
    • Chad

      @Christ Denier [none of that stuff happened] (paraphrase mine)

      @Chad "Most modern historians agree that Jesus existed and was a Jewish teacher from Galilee in Roman Judaea, who was baptized by John the Baptist, and was crucified in Jerusalem on the orders of the Roman Prefect, Pontius Pilate, on the charge of sedition against the Roman Empire. [23][24][25][8] Scholars have offered competing descriptions and portraits of Jesus, which at times share a number of overlapping attributes, such as a rabbi, a charismatic healer, the leader of an apocalyptic movement, a self-described Messiah, a sage and philosopher, or a social reformer who preached of the "Kingdom of God" as a means for personal and egalitarian social transformation" – wikipedia

      again, at some point you need to be willing to enter into a serious discussion.

      March 25, 2012 at 8:59 pm |
  4. Voice of Reason

    These religious types cannot handle or cope with the thought of no after life.

    A mental illness is an illness of the mind. People with a mental illness may behave in strange ways, or have strange thoughts, in their view or the view of others. Mental illnesses develop during the life of a person. This may be linked to genes and experience. What is considered as a mental illness has changed over time. What is considered to be a mental illness may not be one in a different culture.

    People with a mental illness sometimes have problems dealing with other people, or leading what is called a normal life. Treatment and certain medications can help people with certain mental illnesses lead a better life.

    March 25, 2012 at 4:24 pm |
    • B(iraq) Hussein Osama

      Atheism itself is a form of mental illness, whereby due to various "childhood issues" the person rebels against God and pretends to deny His existence while overwhelmingly surrounded by the signs to God's creation in the world around us. Kind of like a child who out of resentment of not having met his parents starts proclaiming he never came out of a womb and was born from thin air.

      March 26, 2012 at 2:28 am |
    • memyself

      @B(iraq) Hussein Osama Uh-huh. So it is the people who believe in invisible sky-wizards, watching their every move, rewarding or punishing their every behavior who are sane? And the people who don't think this is happening are mentally ill? LMAO.

      March 26, 2012 at 2:25 pm |
  5. Tony

    The thing is the proof you seek Is impossible to see without accepting God. I know how it sounds and I was there with you. So ya it is a weird debate because you ask for proof, and Christians say the Bible and you say its not. Back and forth we go.

    March 25, 2012 at 4:17 pm |
    • thecollegeadmissionsguru

      In a debate, the burden of proof falls to the one making the positive claim; therefore it is YOUR responsibility to provide proof. The bible is not proof of anything, mainly because of the inconsistencies contained within. Most Atheists simply require empirical evidence, for which there is NONE. God is a human concept, simple and evident.

      March 25, 2012 at 4:20 pm |
    • Answer

      Emotional drivel from a theist is never accepted. Facts however pave the way to the foundation of understanding and knowledge. You can preach your god all your life but your lot are just empty as your emotional words.

      March 25, 2012 at 4:22 pm |
    • Answer

      Emotional drivel from a theist is never accepted. Facts however pave the way to the foundation of understanding and knowledge.

      March 25, 2012 at 4:23 pm |
    • TR6

      “The thing is the proof you seek Is impossible to see without accepting God.”

      The thing is that proof of UFOs is impossible to see without accepting extraterrestrials

      The thing is that proof of the Easter Bunny is impossible to see without accepting the Easter Bunny is real.

      March 25, 2012 at 5:45 pm |
  6. Tony

    @mitch- no need to, I already read that stuff, I was right where you where. I just saw the light, and let go of my hate.. I hopw you will too.

    March 25, 2012 at 4:13 pm |
    • mitch

      To cite hell is to hate. I am not full of hate, I have contempt for your kind and I come from the most athiest city in north america. Your kind isn't welcome here. I believe saying people are going to hell is much more hateful then telling someone to kill themselves and go to heaven.

      March 25, 2012 at 4:18 pm |
    • Richard

      Think about the heaven/hell game without any real evidence of the existence of God or the existence of eternal souls. That is a very very cruel game for God to play on us. This dilemma alone refutes the existence of a loving compassionate God and transforms them into a cruel malicious God. You can have your evil tormenting God.

      March 25, 2012 at 4:23 pm |
    • Tony

      So by saying there is a jail is to hate? That is a flawed concept. and by saying "your kind isnt welcomed" isnt that hate?

      March 25, 2012 at 4:24 pm |
    • mitch

      God is supposed to be infinitely perfect and just. If someones gay the punishment is infinite years in hell? That's just to you? Why would god who is perfect create inperfect humans to send to hell, sounds malicious and quite imperfect. People who believe in different things then you go to hell? So 80% of the planet good or bad is going to hell for not believing what you believe? Do you realize how ignorant you sound.. You've been eternally blinded and death is the only cure for you. Hell isn't real, it was a scare tactic in the middle ages aimed at converting people to their faith. If you were born in a different country you would blindly follow a different faith, you are a sheep. I have no respect for you, there is no hell, I'm not scared of lies from the middle ages but you obviously are. To tell people they are going to hell I believe is evil, if there was a hell I think religious people would be in it, not athiests.

      March 25, 2012 at 4:35 pm |
    • Tony

      it is no game.. Heaven and Hell are real. No body here is trying to scare you. If you are scared at the possibility that you will be held accountable for not believing in God then thats on you. Christians aren't afraid of Hell because Jesus won, he beat death. From my experience atheist get so riled up when Hell comes up because they are so afraid of it, they dont want it to be true.
      and Mitch we all have our flaws in life , our demons. God will never give us more than we can handle. It is on us wether we act on our flaws..that whole thing called free will.

      March 25, 2012 at 5:12 pm |
    • TR6

      @Tony:” From my experience atheist get so riled up when Hell comes up because they are so afraid of it, “

      Atheists can’t be afraid of hell because they don’t believe in it. We’re not afraid of UFOs or Santa either and for the same reason. From my experience Christians start threatening hell after they realize they have not evidence and have run out of all reasonable arguments. This is usually the point where the conversation ends because all the Christian can do is repeat his threats of damnation it becomes like talking to a belligerent child. This can be quite frustrating. It’s probably this frustration that you mistake for getting riled up.

      March 25, 2012 at 5:59 pm |
    • Aesop

      Tony,
      Re: Hell

      “An Ass put on a Lion's skin and went
      About the forest with much merriment,
      Scaring the foolish beasts by brooks and rocks,
      Till at last he tried to scare the Fox.
      But Reynard, hearing from beneath the mane
      That Raucous voice so petulant and vain,
      Remarked. O' Ass, I too would run away,
      But that I know your old familiar bray'.
      That's just the way with asses, just the way.”
      ― Aesop(620-560 BC)

      March 25, 2012 at 6:06 pm |
    • mitch

      Yes, cite a quote from the bible. Wow you were so right, I didnt realize it but the proof was right there in front of me. Thank you for converting me with your religious quote of truth. All hail the Christian god because he is real and all other are fake, I know for certain because jesus is now in my heart. Horrayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

      March 25, 2012 at 6:45 pm |
  7. Tony

    fimeilleur- It was a reply not just you, listen my man, the proof you seek will be on the day of your judgement. I know that is not good enough for you I hope and I will pray that you will see God. That is all I have to say. Not trying to "Bible thump" here.

    March 25, 2012 at 4:11 pm |
    • thecollegeadmissionsguru

      @Tony, what is the "Proof" you provide turns out to NOT be the truth. What if YOU are the one who is following the wrong religion. Guess you'll be joining all us atheists in hell.

      March 25, 2012 at 4:22 pm |
  8. Chris

    Why do we NEED PROOF GOD (or Gods) don't exist?

    I see anti-theists concur that "we can't prove god doesn't exist". I say this is bogus! Just like nobody could PROVE O.J. didn't kill Ms. Brown aand Mr. Goldman. Was you there? Did you actually see O.J. do it? Was there an eye witness? Then you have no proof O.J. did it do you?

    Just as with the O.J. case and the aurguement against religion. It's the PREPONDERANCE OF THE EVIDENCE! Of course there is no "smoking gun" to prove there is no god or gods. But the evidence is nebulus, unmistakable, and undeniable once you've reviewed it! And here lies the problem with theists. They are either ignorant of the evidence or simply choose not to review it.

    There is no aurguement! The jury has rendered a verdict! Religion has been found guilty of fraud!

    March 25, 2012 at 4:10 pm |
    • Answer

      The most used non-logical argument these theists use is this:

      "Prove that god does not exist." Of course the simple statement to this is: "Your god doesn't exist."
      Failure to comprehend the coherence in trying to prove a negative is a fallacy but the dimwits use this fallacy all the time.

      March 25, 2012 at 4:18 pm |
    • thecollegeadmissionsguru

      @Answer.. unfortunately, your logic is flawed. Atheist have more than theists are willing to accept in the way of doubts about god and religion. We could begin with the bible, move to the fact that prayer does not work, and end with the fact that empirical evidence of the existence of god does not exist. Of course there is a LOT more, but that's a start.

      March 25, 2012 at 4:26 pm |
    • Tony

      how do you know prayer dosnt work?

      March 25, 2012 at 4:27 pm |
    • It's like this

      They have to use fallacies. Without the slightest shred of evidence, religious people cannot base an argument on anything legitimate. They are forced into strange, dishonest tactics that desparately seek to give the illusion of credibility, but it's pure flim-flam. No evidence means no argument, and anyone trying to argue anyway will make a fool of himself.

      March 25, 2012 at 4:28 pm |
    • Chad

      What about the actual physical evidence, attested by the virtually every scholar (liberal and conservative, including the "Jesus Seminar and Richard Dawkins himself):
      1. Jesus of Nazareth lived
      2. Jesus of Nazareth was crucified for claiming to be the Son of God
      3. After three days, the tomb was found to be empty by a group of His women followers
      4. Many people, followers and enemies, reported seeing a resurrected Jesus
      5. Following these sightings, those followers experienced radical changes in behavior, from hiding to proclaiming a resurrected Jesus, and willing to die for the truth of that statement.

      Now, those facts are not in dispute by any liberal or conservative scholar, see also "athestsforjesus.com" of which Dawkins is a member.

      how do you explain it?

      March 25, 2012 at 4:28 pm |
    • fimeilleur

      @ Tony,

      How did the prayer fest in Texas work out? You know... the one for rain?... oh sure, it did eventually rain, but I guess it would have rained regardless... it even rained in Egypt once... I'm sure they pray for rain all the time... don't they?

      March 25, 2012 at 4:34 pm |
    • thecollegeadmissionsguru

      @Tony... There was a study done, by a religous group no less, that followed 1800 similar patients. A third were prayed for and not told, a third were not prayed for and a third were prayed for and told about it. Guess which group did the worst in their recovery? Hint, not the first two-thirds... Prayer does not work, there is NO emprical evidence of it working. Jesus said ask in his name and it would be granted, go to a hospital ward for children dying of cancer and ask their parents if prayer works... just saying.

      March 25, 2012 at 4:38 pm |
    • B(iraq) Hussein Osama

      The probability that God exists is MUCH HIGHER than the probability the He does nt. Because of the planet earth and its innumerable creatures and creations, the probability is VERY HIGH that someone created all this as opposed to that they just came out of nothing. Man's own creativeness repeatedly re-affirms the very same notion, that created things have a creator.

      March 26, 2012 at 2:33 am |
    • memyself

      @B(iraq) Hussein Osama Fatuous nonsense. Existence is no proof that (your version of) God exists. There are hundreds of creation stories. The Old Testament version isn't even very original. The explanation that stars, planets, and living creatures were created by some god is weak and useless. The explanations summarized in the sciences of cosmology, paleontology, and evolutionary biology are powerful and useful: they lead to a better predictions and a better understanding of astronomy, astrophysics, botany, zooology, and ethology (among other things).

      March 26, 2012 at 2:38 pm |
  9. Chris

    I really wanted to attend the rally!

    I live in Oklahoma City and work 4 miles from my home. I pass 6 churches on my way to work. Two of the churches are side-by-side. It really makes me sick to see all the money that is poured into this nonsense (religion). I really can't believe we live in the 21st century and this crap still dominates.

    March 25, 2012 at 3:51 pm |
    • Answer

      Emotional imprisonment can do that to a person. The worse one is of course the fear associated with death.

      March 25, 2012 at 4:14 pm |
    • B(iraq) Hussein Osama

      You likely also pass by sixteen bars and p orn shops on your way to work everyday and I bet you don't feel they are a waste of resources at all!! Hypocrite, i mean atheist, excuse me.

      March 26, 2012 at 2:35 am |
  10. Richard

    Teach a man to fish and he will eat for all his days.
    Give a man a fish and he will have food for now.
    Teach a man to pray and he will tell the other two how well he will be dining in heaven.

    March 25, 2012 at 3:38 pm |
    • Pavlov

      Not quite. The third line should read "Teach a man to pray, and he will harangue the others into giving him fish or they will spend the rest of eternity in the lake of fire."

      March 25, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
    • Christ Denier

      Actually.......

      Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day.
      Teach a man to fish, and he eats for a lifetime.
      Give a man religion, and he will die praying for God to give him a fish to eat.

      Christians are emotional methheads.

      March 25, 2012 at 9:06 pm |
    • B(iraq) Hussein Osama

      Teach a man to fish and he will eat for all his days.
      Give a man a fish and he will have food for now.
      Teach a man to pray and he will share his fish with his neighbors and the poor on the street.

      March 26, 2012 at 2:36 am |
  11. Tony

    I have been reading through the responses and I have to say it saddens me. It saddens me that so many people have no faith and further more try to convince others to follow. What you fail to realize is that we humans are unable to understand and comprehend God, the universe and creation.We are not supposed to know who created God. An comparison is that ants cannot comprehend US, because we are so much greater than them. Second one has to look into the true nature in faith. Anyone can follow a way of life (rule) if you know the punishment is real. Meaning I wont go kill someone right now because I will go to jail. Therefore there is no faith involved in the process of not breaking that law. It is just common knowledge. Thus, there is no real reward to following that law (except for not going to jail if you break it). Whereas, with religion and the Bible, Hell is not a tangible place we can see , nor Heaven. However our faith is what guides us to follow the word of God. Heaven is a gift, not a right. That is what you are failing to see. Christians are rewarded by showing faith to Our Lord and following Gods word with Heaven and everlasting life. Don't you see, faith is the test. What test would it be if we could see Heaven? We would all follow God because we knew he was there, not because we believed in him. Faith is the test. Faith through adversity. That is the test that grants us everlasting life. GOD GAVE US JUST ENOUGH TO BELIEVE, NOT ENOUGH TO KNOW. The final thing that was very hard for me to accept is that everything happens for a reason. Now, I know y'all will tear this apart, however its true. We all have a place in this world. However, our role in this world varies from person to person. Its like a sports team, some are stars and some are role players. Life is a puzzle, and WE ARE NOT MENT TO SEE/UNDERSTAND THE PICTURE. This is a hard concept to understand for the intellectuals because they are very prideful in their knowledge and don't want to be told they aren't ment to understand the "big picture". I could die right after I send this post out and be 100% fine with it because it is God's Will, and I am going to Heaven. Its funny how skewered our perception is, Heaven is paradise, far better than this world and people would rather be here than paradise. So I have to ask you all..what do you have to lose? Is your short existence on this planet worth eternity in Hell? Is the risk of eternal damnation worth it? You have nothing to loose except your soul. Don't kid yourself and take the easy road and doubt God. He is there. YOU Just have to BELIEVE.

    Godbless.

    March 25, 2012 at 3:12 pm |
    • Bob

      You can be rest assured that there is not one Theist that has been swayed by an A-Theist here.

      March 25, 2012 at 3:25 pm |
    • Will

      *sigh* Pascal's wager? Really? "What do you have to lose?" For starters, I have only one life to enjoy living. I'm not going to spend it glorifying an unknown so as to perpetuate belief in that unknown. And that doesn't even get to the biggest problem, that by making your particular choice of gods to follow, you've necessarily rejected thousands of others. The moment you understand why you reject the gods of Hinduism is the moment you'll realize why I reject your religion.

      March 25, 2012 at 3:27 pm |
    • fimeilleur

      really Tony? you don't kill people because you're afraid to go to jail? That's truely funny. I don't kill people because that's not a smart way to live in society. I can't imagine a successfull society where I can die at any whim... therefore, for the survival of the society, I choose not to kill, and hope the other members of society do the same when it comes to me... those that act against the good of the society, are therefore punished with incarceration... but that's just my morality.

      What about the budhist who doesn't believe in heaven or hell.... why doesn't he kill? can't be the fear of the afterlife can it? Or the Hindu? I guess morality doesn't come from the god of your bible... not when it comes to killing people anyway, your god actually commanded people to kill on his behalf, or killed outright on his own...

      Your rant about life being a test of faith... I guess Thor and Odin put out the same amount of tests and evidence for the Norse to discover... how'd that test work out for Thor and Odin? Valhalla must be just ripe with the faithfull, huh?

      We're not meant to see the big picture... so we should just stop looking... just like we weren't meant to fly, or meant to travel in space... good thing we took your advice there...

      You're going to heaven... your words... how presumptuous of you. Rather pompous and arrogant, I'd say. Can you tell us all what else your god has in store for us? Please do tell me more about that fire and brimstone... Fear is a great way to impose your will on the masses... You know that we don't fear your hell, because we truely don't believe it exists, right? you would have to MAKE us BELIEVE it's real... MAKE.... BELIEVE.... make believe.... make-believe.... a.k.a. pretend. That's what children do.

      May god be less to you too.

      March 25, 2012 at 3:29 pm |
    • Chris

      Tony

      You haven't put a lot of thought into all of this have you? You see, faith is a license not to think. Because if you were to REALLY put some thought and research into what you "have faith" in, you would see that religion is a delusion.

      Faith = Not wanting to know the truth.

      March 25, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
    • Tony

      🙂

      March 25, 2012 at 3:37 pm |
    • mitch

      Your such a moron.. Yes we are unable to understand "god", because their is no proof. And that includes the book you called the bible. Its embarrassing you use such fallacy's to cover up your inability to see the true light, the personal god is indeed a myth.

      March 25, 2012 at 3:38 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Tony: Humans have worshiped nearly thousands of gods throughout history. Thousands. There has not been a shred of proof that any of them has ever existed. Not even your god.

      At what point do you stop believing what you want to believe and start believing what the evidence indicates?

      March 25, 2012 at 3:40 pm |
    • mitch

      Tony is the reason I can't stand talking to thiests. He has absolutely no proof and yet HE KNOWS he's going to heaven.. He believes this because being blind and of faith is something to be celebrated among his moronic arrogant kind. Killing in the name of god is fine, and if your a true christian you would kill anyone who works on the day of the sabbath among many other ludacris reasons. But your a fake, your a phony and I will be thrilled when you die and don't get to even comprehend how you wasted your mind and your life. But I'm glad because you don't deserve any better. Let your brain and body shrivle and leave this planet please.

      March 25, 2012 at 3:47 pm |
    • Tony

      Faith= Believing in something.

      By accepting Jesus into my heart and accepting him as my Lord and savior and give up everything for him, I am going to Heaven.. that isnt arrogant and presumptuous.
      and the reason why Christians "reject" the thousands of "God's before him" is that Jesus rose from the dead. They did not.

      and I have no idea what God has in store for us. I believe that is arrogant for you to believe that Christians know that. I know that there is a God.
      Im not here to make you do anything, or make you "fear" fire and brimstone. I am just merely doing the exact same thing yall are doing.. telling the world what I believe. What the word of God is. I am not afraid of it, maybe you are for whatever reason, and that is between you and God.

      Whats "child-ish" is spewing hate at other people's beliefs. Isnt that one of your gripes on religion in the first place? Intolerance? Just food for thought.

      March 25, 2012 at 3:51 pm |
    • mitch

      "and I have no idea what God has in store for us. I believe that is arrogant for you to believe that Christians know that. I know that there is a God"

      Its kinda funny to listen to the argument with no backing. You contradict and say you let jesus into your heart and that's how you know your going to heaven? Do you realize how moronic you sound? And by the way jesus wasn't the first one to be raised from the dead you ignorant drone, there were multiple other's before him, he is completely unoriginal and if you knew anything about religions you'd know that. Your religion is a clone of past religions and stories loosley put together. Educate yourself or just blow your brains out and go to "heaven" please.

      March 25, 2012 at 4:01 pm |
    • fimeilleur

      Oh good, that was a reply to me... hard to tell at first. Faith = belief in something without any proof.
      So you say you're going to heaven because you accepted Jesus into your heart... so did Jeffrey Dahmer. you can keep him.

      Ummm Mohammed didn't even die... he assended into heaven... that trumps dieing and coming back to life... The many re-incarnations of Vishnu trumps dieing and coming back to life... but you reject these... Interesting.

      You KNOW god exists... I'd like proof, otherwise you think god exists or you really really really really hope he does.(neither of these make proof)

      I'm sorry... when you asked why RISK eternal damnation... I took that as a fear tactic... obviously, you meant that hell was an equal to heaven, and shouldn't be considered an inferrior alternative... my mistake.

      I'm not spewing hatred... never have I incited others to violence against you... I just call you out on your BS and challenge you to back up your assertions. You call that hate speech?

      March 25, 2012 at 4:04 pm |
    • fimeilleur

      @ Mitch,

      asking him to blow his brains out is not condussive to the argument. I'd rather he use his brain than waste it on fairy tales and fantasies.

      March 25, 2012 at 4:06 pm |
    • Tony

      Mitch- I have all the backing I will ever need. And I will "die" when its my time. I am sorry you have nothing but anger and hate to say, but I have no idea who you are and what you've been through. So, you can go ahead and say whatever you want. I will pray for you.

      March 25, 2012 at 4:07 pm |
    • Richard

      People who pay attention to stuff with no foundation in reality are usually called delusional. This god thing is just too heavily entrenched in society for it get the label it truly should have.

      Please differentiate how the God Delusion is different from the Flying Spaghetti Monster delusion.

      March 25, 2012 at 4:08 pm |
    • mitch

      http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-christ-like-figures-who-pre-date-jesus/

      There, because I'm smart enough to use google I found a list. It has 10 people who pre-date jesus. Read the startling similarities, allow the truth to seep through your thick skull you monkey. Yes some of us can't see the greater picture, they're called religious people. If the bible is god's word why would he need to re-write it genius.

      March 25, 2012 at 4:08 pm |
    • It's like this

      @Bob – we aren't trying to sway anybody. We are having a wonderful time poining out the massive logical flaws in every idea religious people hold dear.

      I do admit there is a shooting-fish-in-a-barrel guilty pleasure in debating people who have absolutely no evidence or support for their position. They cannot argue honestly for they have no basis, so what they come up with as an alternative is truly hilarious. It's threats of a fantasy doom, or constantly changing the subject, or outright dishonesty. Just hilarious.

      Whenever a religious person makes some grand pronouncement, just ask for evidence to support what they said. The wings come flying off and the "moral" ones start playing every dishonest card in the deck.

      March 25, 2012 at 4:12 pm |
    • mitch

      I shall tell him to blow his brains out and for good reason. If anyone cites heaven and hell I think they should kill themselves and please go to "heaven". If he's going to spite moronic fallacy's then tell me I'm going to spent infinite years in pain I believe he should kill himself. We all have our beliefs.

      March 25, 2012 at 4:15 pm |
    • Tony

      The thing is the proof you seek Is impossible to see without accepting God. I know how it sounds and I was there with you. So ya it is a weird debate because you ask for proof, and Christians say the Bible and you say its not. Back and forth we go.

      @mitch- no need to, I already read that stuff, I was right where you where. I just saw the light, and let go of my hate.. I hopw you will too.

      fimeilleur- It was a reply not just you, listen my man, the proof you seek will be on the day of your judgement. I know that is not good enough for you I hope and I will pray that you will see God. That is all I have to say. Not trying to "Bible thump" here.

      March 25, 2012 at 4:19 pm |
    • fimeilleur

      @ Mitch,

      it just looks really bad after I defend against his "hate speech" accusation... maybe just bad timing. 🙂

      Peace

      March 25, 2012 at 4:20 pm |
    • fimeilleur

      @ Tony...

      The old "I was once an athiest too" ploy... so what was it that brought you to the light? was it the plathora of evidence staring you in the face? Was it the similarities between all the other ancient religions that claimed to have a saviour born of a virgin, taught realigious men at a young age, and was persecuted, died and rose from the dead? and then you decided... YEP! This one is the true one... Yep this is the one! The God of Abraham... the perfect, all knowing, loving god... and all those evil things he did in the old testament... forget about it... 'cause he changed to a loving god...

      Wait a minute... why would a perfect god change? Why would an all knowing god NOT realize that he was being an a$$ in the first place...

      LUCY!!! YOU GOT SUM 'SPLAININ TO DOOOOooooo.

      March 25, 2012 at 4:27 pm |
    • Chad

      "1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen" – Hebrews 11

      "since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse." Romans 1

      Christianity defines faith as the evidence of things not seen.
      Atheist scientists define faith as "we cant explain it, but we know God didnt do it"

      So, in reality, it takes far more faith to NOT believe in God.

      March 25, 2012 at 4:37 pm |
    • fimeilleur

      Wow, Chad... that was.... rich....

      Drugs are illegal and they make non-sense come out of your keyboard.

      March 25, 2012 at 4:43 pm |
    • Tony

      God sent his son Jesus to pay for the sins of man. After Jesus dies there was no need to sacrifice anymore, because Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice. Nothing else could or can equal him . That is how Jesus saved us. That is how through faith alone that we are saved.

      I just think is funny how angry yall get at this. I mean are yall that scared to believe in something? Or are yall scaredgive up whatever you know in the bottom of your hearts is a bad thing to do?

      March 25, 2012 at 5:08 pm |
    • fimeilleur

      @ Tony, follow along if you can.

      Your god created the world. Your god is omnicient (all knowing: past, present and future). Your god is omnipotent. Your god is benevelent. Your god created the original sin when he created a test for man that he knew man would fail ('cause he knows the future). your god creates himself (Jesus) to live among us so that he can be sacrificed to himself because of a sin he himself created. and all we have to do is believe he did this for us. Your god is a moron. See, here is how I'd have done it. Screw the test in paradise... I know the outcome before I even create man... I make a man that would pass any test I could throw at him, then I place him in paradise and I leave him there for all eternity... 'cause I'm good like that. No tests, no torment, no sacrafices... nothing. But then, you ask, what would be the point in living? So I ask you... what do you think you'll be doing in "heaven" for the rest of eternity....sounds pretty dull, huh, worshiping some egotistical maniac for all time... seems like he could have done away with the middle man there.

      March 25, 2012 at 7:13 pm |
  12. guess what?

    The fool hath said in his heart that there is no God.

    March 25, 2012 at 3:07 pm |
    • Will

      Are you quoting Psalm 14, or Psalm 53, where the Bible seems to forget what it just said a few pages ago?

      March 25, 2012 at 3:23 pm |
    • tallulah13

      A book that tells you what to believe says you are a fool if you don't believe it. And you fell for that?

      March 25, 2012 at 3:43 pm |
  13. Claude Gothic

    Any truth to the rumor that the Inquisition has been reformed and thousands of warrior-priests and assorted torture experts are ready to descend upon the rally-goers like demons onto sinning souls?

    March 25, 2012 at 3:05 pm |
  14. Nii

    Everyone is born agnostic. Atheism is the first stage of becoming a Theist. To say that a Christian does not doubt is innacurate. However if u recieve satisfactory answers it strengthens your faith and you become more spiritual. Atheism is a stage of a journey not a destination.

    March 25, 2012 at 2:54 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Unless, of course, you reach atheism by way of religion, as most people do. It's very difficult for a rational person to maintain a belief in a god for which there isn't a single shred of evidence.

      March 25, 2012 at 3:46 pm |
  15. Reality

    The Triple A Creed (Apostles'/Atheists'/Agnostics') : (updated by yours truly based on the studies of NT historians and theologians of the past 200 years)

    ONLY FOR THE NEWCOMERS:

    Should I believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
    and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
    human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven?????

    I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
    preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
    named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
    girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)

    Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
    the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

    He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
    a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of
    Jerusalem.

    Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
    many semi-fiction writers. A bodily resurrection and
    ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
    Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
    grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
    and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
    called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

    Amen
    (References used are available upon request.)

    March 25, 2012 at 2:43 pm |
    • Claude Gothic

      Pretty good except for the dad actually being a Roman soldier (Naughtius Maximus by name).

      March 25, 2012 at 3:07 pm |
    • Reality Check

      Let go; Let God. If you earnestly seek him you will find him. The scripture promises this.

      March 25, 2012 at 3:22 pm |
  16. Nii

    Why take that stupid path? God will be angry with whom He will. If He is angry with Christians so what. No one bothers you because you are angry with someone. Why don't u ask Him why He is angry or not like u will ask ur Dad? Besides God knows those who are His-atheist, Bhuddhist, Xtian, whatever.

    March 25, 2012 at 2:38 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Humanity has invented, worshiped, replaced and rejected literally thousands of gods throughout the course of their history. There has never been a shred of evidence to indicate that any of them have ever existed. The christian god is just another of those invented gods. Why in the world should a rational person believe in something for which there is no proof?

      March 25, 2012 at 2:47 pm |
    • Nii

      Unfortunately for you TALLULAH you r on quicksand. Read John's Gospel ch. 14, 15,& 16. They contain a simple challenge to all who doubt the Christian God. Those who take it up find the proof they need. Of course you will make noise about myth, etc but if a scientist talked about Big Bang you wont.

      March 25, 2012 at 3:02 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Nii, you don't get it. There is no proof of your god, there is no proof that the bible is anything more than a collection of bronze age mythology. There is as much truth found in the Iliad as in the bible, and the Iliad is a much better read.

      March 25, 2012 at 3:49 pm |
    • mitch

      Wow stupid, stupid religious people. You are such embarrassments to modern society, did you actually just say gospel is proof. The big bang has reasonable proof and scientists are trying to piece together our existence. Your bible tried to put scientists to death for saying we revolved around the sun, but I'm sure you believe that you drone. They also believed the earth was flat, why wouldn't god been able to explain all these things that were come to be. Ignorant prat.

      March 25, 2012 at 3:55 pm |
  17. Big Joe

    Interesting...

    The atheist movement and its spokespeople believe the best way to grow the movement is to indoctrinate high school students, and suggest that high schools should encourage the formation of student groups.

    Can we call them Atheist Youth, or would the Not-sees sue for copyright infringement?

    March 25, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
    • Clif

      So, little children are indoctrinated to "The Greatest STORY Ever Told" at Church Sunday schools, but presenting alternative, reasonable thinking by the time they reach High School is considered indoctrination? You need to re-think your undefendable statement.

      March 25, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
    • Will

      There's a huge difference between indoctrination and teaching. If a Christian wants to indoctrinate their child in, say, a belief in heaven, they show them how to close their eyes, pray, maybe sing hymns, read an old book... If an atheist wants to teach, say, that there's "above us, only sky," to borrow Lennon's phrase, there are no prayers, hymns, punishments, rewards, etc. necessary. All we have to do is say to a kid, "Look up, and tell me what you see." If you don't know the difference between science education and religious indoctrination, you obviously don't have much of a leg to stand on when it comes to policy.

      Oh, and as for student groups? Yeah, they're led by students, not authority figures. Some indoctrination, indeed.

      March 25, 2012 at 2:44 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Gosh, Joe. Are you so afraid of atheists that you have to try to incite hatred against them by comparing them to Nazis? Cliff had it right. Your claim is pathetic and indefensible.

      March 25, 2012 at 2:53 pm |
  18. from Joppa to Ninevah was a tough journey

    Silverman,Harris et al- Put aside the gods delusion.

    Time for ya to start reading about Moses, Joshua, Samuel, David, Daniel. Lets begin here, I have more to recommend for your edification once your done reading the above.

    March 25, 2012 at 2:28 pm |
    • Silvermore

      2 Chronicles 7:14

      March 25, 2012 at 2:36 pm |
  19. Nii

    De fun part of all this back n forth is 2 show how ignorant atheists r concerning Judaeo-Xnity. Nestorianism reached China in de 3rd century. Thomas reached India in de 1st. De only place it delayed may be Austrolasia n de Americas but this is inconsequential as everyone can behave Christlike.

    March 25, 2012 at 2:19 pm |
    • lurn2spel

      A Christian, who can not even spell out words like "are," "the" and "to," talking about how ignorant atheists are. Now that's rich.

      March 25, 2012 at 2:38 pm |
    • Nii

      LURN2SPEL I think u shud learn to read. I said "ignorant concernining christianity" or u didn't catch that? Besides being so good at shorthand urself I don't see how that handicaps u if I use it. I didn't insult u I made a point so respond to it or don't. My shorthand stays.

      March 25, 2012 at 2:44 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Nii. Clarity matters. You know what you are saying, but we don't, and your "shortcuts" are not obvious to people accustomed to reading actual words. Frankly, I have no desire to translate your gibberish. If you can't respect those who are trying to read your posts, then why should we respect you?

      March 25, 2012 at 2:59 pm |
    • lurn2spel

      I jus don unerstan y pipl thik we r we-tod-ed n don ruspikt wut we sayin. dorn 8theists!

      March 25, 2012 at 3:01 pm |
    • Nii

      TALLULAH I respect people I interact with very much but if they can't read shorthand then I'm sorry. Most people can read it however but hate the message so they pretend they can't. I don't argue blindly. Every word is important but certain words can easily be shorthanded to aid speed. I USE A PHONE

      March 25, 2012 at 3:15 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Nii: It's nice to see you spell things out.

      Perhaps your shorthand makes sense to you, and to other people who communicate by texting, but I am old school. I use words because real words allow nuance and clarity. Trying to read your shorthand is rather like reading a puzzle, and I frankly, I have no interest in solving a puzzle to determine your intent.

      March 25, 2012 at 4:07 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I don't care what you use, Nii, but typing 'de' just makes you sound like Uncle Tom.

      March 25, 2012 at 5:54 pm |
  20. Sign Reader

    Hey! It's raining in Washington again today. That must mean that God is mad that the atheists are not demonstrating, or, uh, that he is mad that people are going to church, uh, or maybe that he is mad at Washington in general, uh, or that, uh . . . .

    Damn it's hard to interpret natural phenomenon as signs of God's mood!

    March 25, 2012 at 2:03 pm |
    • And Now On Fox News, It's The Christian Weather Report

      The forecast for tomorrow is God's anger at the people of Winnemucca for blasphemy, shown as a windstorm.

      In New York City, God will show his disapproval of their venal behavior with rain. In Texas, God will show his disapproval of their venal behavior with a lack of rain.

      God is really pissed with Kansas again, so it's tornadoes for those heathen, and in Florida, God's wrath will scour trailer homes from the face of the Earth with a hurricane.

      March 25, 2012 at 2:08 pm |
    • Chad

      You'll know that natural phenomena is Gods wrath if He tells us it is.
      Otherwise, we dont know, and it's just bad theology to ascribe it to God when we dont know.

      March 25, 2012 at 2:24 pm |
    • tallulah13

      And how does god tell you, Chad? Does he Tweet? Does he send you a text message? Or do you just kind of read his mind, because, you know, you and him are such pals?

      March 25, 2012 at 3:00 pm |
    • Nii

      TALLULAH what Chad is saying is that God alone like u knows what angers him and his motives. HE respects your right to privacy so if in the Bible He said He brought on a certain natural disaster. If His prophet declares one and it happens fine but if not then we don't know and don't care.

      March 25, 2012 at 3:25 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Nii: Chad himself said "natural phenomena is Gods wrath if He tells us it is."

      I am simply asking how god tells Chad, because to people without a pipeline to god, weather and natural disasters are simply natural events following the laws of nature.

      March 25, 2012 at 4:02 pm |
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