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4 big myths of Book of Revelation
The Book of Revelation has terrified and confused readers for centuries. Few agree on its meaning, but many have opinions.
March 31st, 2012
10:00 PM ET

4 big myths of Book of Revelation

By John Blake, CNN

(CNN) - The anti-Christ. The Battle of Armageddon. The dreaded Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.

You don’t have to be a student of religion to recognize references from the Book of Revelation. The last book in the Bible has fascinated readers for centuries. People who don’t even follow religion are nonetheless familiar with figures and images from Revelation.

And why not? No other New Testament book reads like Revelation. The book virtually drips with blood and reeks of sulfur. At the center of this final battle between good and evil is an action-hero-like Jesus, who is in no mood to turn the other cheek.

Elaine Pagels, one of the world’s leading biblical scholars, first read Revelation as a teenager. She read it again in writing her latest book, “Revelations: Visions, Prophecy & Politics in the Book of Revelation.”

Pagels’ book is built around a simple question: What does Revelation mean? Her answers may disturb people who see the book as a prophecy about the end of the world.

But people have clashed over the meaning of Revelation ever since it was virtually forced into the New Testament canon over the protests of some early church leaders, Pagels says.

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“There were always debates about it,” she says. “Some people said a heretic wrote it. Some said a disciple. There were always people who loved and championed it.”

The debate persists. Pagels adds to it by challenging some of the common assumptions about Revelation.

Here are what she says are four big myths about Revelation::

1. It’s about the end of the world

Anyone who has read the popular “Left Behind” novels or listened to pastors preaching about the “rapture” might see Revelation as a blow-by-blow preview of how the world will end.

Pagels, however, says the writer of Revelation was actually describing the way his own world ended.

She says the writer of Revelation may have been called John – the book is sometimes called “Book of the Revelation of Saint John the Divine” but he was not the disciple who accompanied Jesus. He was a devout Jew and mystic exiled on the island of Patmos, off the coast of  present-day Greece.

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“He would have been a very simple man in his clothes and dress,” Pagels says. “He may have gone from church to church preaching his message. He seems more like a traveling preacher or a prophet.”

The author of Revelation had experienced a catastrophe. He wrote his book not long after 60,000 Roman soldiers had stormed Jerusalem in 70 A.D., burned down its great temple and left the city in ruins after putting down an armed Jewish revolt.

For some of the earliest Jewish followers of Jesus, the destruction of Jerusalem was incomprehensible. They had expected Jesus to return “with power” and conquer Rome before inaugurating a new age. But Rome had conquered Jesus’ homeland instead.

The author of Revelation was trying to encourage the followers of Jesus at a time when their world seemed doomed. Think of the Winston Churchill radio broadcasts delivered to the British during the darkest days of World War II.

Revelation was an anti-Roman tract and a piece of war propaganda wrapped in one. The message: God would return and destroy the Romans who had destroyed Jerusalem.

“His primary target is Rome,” Pagels says of the book’s author. “He really is deeply angry and grieved at the Jewish war and what happened to his people.”

2. The numerals 666 stand for the devil

The 1976 horror film “The Omen” scared a lot of folks. It may have scared some theologians, too, who began encountering people whose view of Revelation comes from a Hollywood movie.

The Omen” depicted the birth and rise of the “anti-Christ,” the cunning son of Satan who would be known by “the mark of the beast,” 666, on his body.

Here’s the passage from Revelation that “The Omen” alluded to: “This calls for wisdom: let anyone with understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a person. Its number is six hundred sixty-six.”

Good movies, though, don’t always make good theology. Most people think 666 stands for an anti-Christ-like figure that will deceive humanity and trigger a final battle between good and evil. Some people think he’s already here.

Pagels, however, says the writer of Revelation didn’t really intend 666 as the devil’s digits. He was describing another incarnation of evil: The Roman emperor, Nero.

The arrogant and demented Nero was particularly despised by the earliest followers of Jesus, including the writer of Revelation. Nero was said to have burned followers of Jesus alive to illuminate his garden.

But the author of Revelation couldn’t safely name Nero, so he used the Jewish numerology system to spell out Nero’s imperial name, Pagels says.

Pagels says that John may have had in mind other meanings for the mark of the beast: the imperial stamp Romans used on official documents, tattoos authorizing people to engage in Roman business, or the images of Roman emperors on stamps and coins.

Since Revelation’s author writes in “the language of dreams and nightmares,” Pagels says it’s easy for outsiders to misconstrue the book’s original meaning.

Still, they take heart from Revelation’s larger message, she writes:

“…Countless people for thousands of years have been able to see their own conflicts, fears, and hopes reflected in his prophecies. And because he speaks from his convictions about divine justice, many readers have found reassurance in his conviction that there is meaning in history – even when he does not say exactly what that meaning is – and that there is hope.”

3. The writer of Revelation was a Christian

The author of Revelation hated Rome, but he also scorned another group – a group of people we would call Christians today, Pagels says.

There’s a common perception that there was a golden age of Christianity, when most Christians agreed on an uncontaminated version of the faith. Yet there was never one agreed-upon Christianity. There were always clashing visions.

Revelation reflects some of those early clashes in the church, Pagels says.

That idea isn’t new territory for Pagels. She won the National Book Award for “The Gnostic Gospels,” a 1979 book that examined a cache of newly discovered “secret” gospels of Jesus. The book, along with other work from Pagels, argues that there were other accounts of Jesus’ life that were suppressed by early church leaders because it didn’t fit with their agenda.

The author of Revelation was like an activist crusading for traditional values. In his case, he was a devout Jew who saw Jesus as the messiah. But he didn’t like the message that the apostle Paul and other followers of Jesus were preaching.

This new message insisted that gentiles could become followers of Jesus without adopting the requirements of the Torah. It accepted women leaders, and intermarriage with gentiles, Pagels says.

The new message was a lot like what we call Christianity today.

That was too much for the author of Revelation. At one point, he calls a woman leader in an early church community a “Jezebel.” He calls one of those gentile-accepting churches a “synagogue of Satan.”

John was defending a form of Christianity that would be eclipsed by the Christians he attacked, Pagels says.

“What John of Patmos preached would have looked old-fashioned – and simply wrong to Paul’s converts…,” she writes.

The author of Revelation was a follower of Jesus, but he wasn’t what some people would call a Christian today, Pagels says.

“There’s no indication that he read Jesus’ Sermon on the Mount or that he read the gospels or Paul’s letters,” she says. “….He doesn’t even say Jesus died for your sins.”

4. There is only one Book of Revelation

There’s no other book in the Bible quite like Revelation, but there are plenty of books like Revelation that didn’t make it into the Bible, Pagels says.

Early church leaders suppressed an “astonishing” range of books that claimed to be revelations from apostles such as Peter and James. Many of these books were read and treasured by Christians throughout the Roman Empire, she says.

There was even another “Secret Revelation of John.” In this one, Jesus wasn’t a divine warrior, but someone who first appeared to the apostle Paul as a blazing light, then as a child, an old man and, some scholars say, a woman.

So why did the revelation from John of Patmos make it into the Bible, but not the others?

Pagels traces that decision largely to Bishop Athanasius, a pugnacious church leader who championed Revelation about 360 years after the death of Jesus.

Athanasius was so fiery that during his 46 years as bishop he was deposed and exiled five times. He was primarily responsible for shaping the New Testament while excluding books he labeled as hearsay, Pagels says.

Many church leaders opposed including Revelation in the New Testament. Athanasius’s predecessor said the book was “unintelligible, irrational and false.”

Athanasius, though, saw Revelation as a useful political tool. He transformed it into an attack ad against Christians who questioned him.

Rome was no longer the enemy; those who questioned church authority were the anti-Christs in Athanasius’s reading of Revelation, Pagels says.

“Athanasius interprets Revelation’s cosmic war as a vivid picture of his own crusade against heretics and reads John’s visions as a sharp warning to Christian dissidents,” she writes. “God is about to divide the saved from the damned – which now means dividing the ‘orthodox’ from ‘heretics.’ ’’

Centuries later, Revelation still divides people. Pagels calls it the strangest and most controversial book in the Bible.

Even after writing a book about it, Pagels has hardly mastered its meaning.

“The book is the hardest one in the Bible to understand,” Pagels says. “I don’t think anyone completely understands it.”

- CNN Writer

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  2. Frank

    I may have wasted my time in reading some of the posts. It is evident from the samples, and I can surmise with a good deal of confidence from the samples I read, that the majority of posts did not deal with comments in reference to the subject, nor were they all courteous discussions. The subject was the book written by the author, Elaine Pagels, but the majority of comments were exchanges between people offending each others' views and beliefs, and much of the comments were just shear silly, childish, exchanges of offensive comments not even relevant to the subject. Although I have to admit that some of the material was funny and entertaining, but the offensive type of funny to most people, I assume. However, I did see some comments that were to the point and subject at hand, which were, as I believe, precisely what the CNN article was all about.

    I have read the subject book, and since I'm not a devout christian scholar, I cannot rate the book for its assessing whether or not it comes from God. But I do believe that Ms. Pagels conveyed to the reader her interpretation on what she believes to be the meaning of the book of Revelation. No one can say that Revelation is not complex and full of "mysterious" accounts to the average reader. Perhaps the only ones that should be assessing Ms. Pagels' interpretation are those real experts and scholars on religion. As far as I'm concerned, Ms. Pagels just gave us one more account to lay besides the other countless ones already out there. Again, whether she is right or not on any or all points, is a matter of faith. I do think that she consistently gave a probable version. But I say God only knows, and for those that have different ideas, your points may just be as valid as hers or mine. That includes the idea of and existence of God(s), too. As it has been stated by others way before anyone of us were born, and which most of the scholars, through time, have considered as worthy to retain their views for posterity, there will never be any material proof of any kind acceptable to the majority, as to the existence or non-existence of a being or beings that all humanity agrees to term God(s). It will ever be an argument that will never be proven to the satisfaction of any one side or the other. We have had some very proficient thinkers in human history, which were identified as "Philosophers" and "Great thinkers" who spent a great deal of their time contemplating the subject of the existence of God and Gods. These philosophers came from all walks of life, nations, races, and various parts from the entire face of the earth. Now, it should be evident to all that, if they could not come to any agreement, nor could they sway one another views and beliefs, what chance do we have? Personally, I have found the philosophy of Plato/Socrates helpful in this subject of the existing or not existing of God(s), but not only that, but it really helps in understanding human nature, in general, besides other helpful subjects in dealing with life and those questions that we humans have been asking as far back as anyone can remember; Who am I?, Where do we come from?, Why am I here?, What am I to do?, etc. There are other great thinkers and philosophers that one can rely on for guidance, and they came, and still are coming, "in all colors and flavors," as the saying goes. I'm including religious thinkers and philosophers, of course. The main point is that, as evidenced by the immense variation of views and beliefs that we have in the world (past and present...and future, no doubt), no one of these great philosophers and thinkers has, overwhelmingly, won the "trophy." I do, however, see a trend and a pattern, and which is this. The general belief and goal for all these great thinkers, well almost all of them, as there a few exceptions, was to point out a rational, generally peaceful, orderly, and respectful existence for humanity.

    I believe it will do well for any of us, those that care about the life we lead, and why, to get better acquainted with the thoughts and ideas of these great thinkers and philosophers, including those dealing with scientific matters. I believe that only by having an open mind can man come to know the truth about any subject. Only by having an open mind about respecting all other ideas, besides our own, can we truly be considered to have a free "will." Because anytime anyone of us tries to sway the other by means of threats, deception, ultimatums, insults or blows, both physically, and verbally, then there goes the "free will of man." Instead, if anyone is interested in debating and/or convincing others of the validity and truth of their ideas, it should be done only in the form of gentle persuasion. After all, man is not a beast and does have a mind. We also have history that we can all agree on, which has given us examples of situations where the popular belief of the majority was wrong, whereas the idea of just one person turned out to be right. That alone should make us think more carefully, because one billion wrongs together do not make one single right. Gentle persuasion means that we all need to allow others the possibility to turn over all the stones they want, to get at the truth. I also want to point out one last thing. No matter what religion or beliefs one may have, even the atheist, will agree on the basic physical laws of our world. These laws, as we have come to discover and understand, have order and consistency; there is no compromising to these physical laws, not even just once, otherwise we would not be here discussing these issues, as total chaos would befall on all this material world at the first instance of the violation of any of the physical laws; both those that we know and aware of, and also those that we are not aware of, as of yet. Regardless how the world came to be, or if always existing without a beginning of any kind, makes no difference to free will. What is important and makes a difference is that we all recognize and we are all agreed on these physical laws and the need for them to not ever fail, no not even once. No compromise there can ever take place, or else. Now, anyone of average intelligence should be able to take it from there, because no matter what the cause was/is that we find ourselves here, or anything else for that “matter,” no one can deny the order we are subject to. Realize that matter, in general, including our own bodily parts, is subject to these physical laws; no compromise or “free will” is allowed. However, our minds (thinking), not the physical function of the brain, but the end product of the totally of those physical laws is not subject to them. Our minds are free to roam at “will.” Our minds (imagination) can contemplate a world without the same physical laws or one without any laws, in fact, there is no limit to our imagination, and it is infinite. We can imagine God and Gods of all kinds and manners. Just by thinking we can travel, in an instant, to infinity and return, and we can even go past infinity at a mere thought. This freedom of thought is what is needed for anyone of us to be amenable to “gentle persuasion.” Only by gentle persuasion can we ever come to the truth. However, it should be obvious that our “free will” is also a two edged sword, because it also seems to be the vehicle for all human contentions on any subject, religious or not. Although I have come to accept some of the ideas of some of these great thinkers and philosophers, I have no need at this time to relate them to anyone, nor do I retain this web site blog as the best place to do so. Nor am I out to push my ideas on anyone out there, since I myself cannot be certain 100% of anything I believe.

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    Elaine Pagel's analysis of the Book of Revelation ignores the significance to the love-your-neighbor-as-yourself principle upon which all of Jesus Christ's teaching were based. The reason the "scarlet harlot" that was riding the bloody beast was labeled "Babylon the Great" is because the Judeans who returned from Babylon to build the "Second Temple" violated the love-your-neighbor-as-yourself principle when they excluded the local Samaritans who lived there (in order to keep more of the temple offerings for themselves). That is what the author of Revelation was referring to, not Rome. To see an interpretation of the Book of Revelation that really DOES conform with the love-your-neighbor-as-yourself principle, check out my article "What Does the Second Coming of Christ Really Mean?" at http://www.onesalt.com/p0000054.htm as well as the articles leading up to that article. I have yet to see any other interpretation of the Book of Revelation that conforms with that fundamental premise for all of Jesus Christ's teachings.

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    October 22, 2013 at 12:25 am |
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      Let me recommend my book "The Revelation Problem (St. john's Revelation as History)." From westbowpress.com. Also Amazon, Barnes and Noble. It provides a view of Revelation that is true to history and the Bible.

      October 22, 2013 at 9:58 am |
  5. David Michael

    Shame, that so many people preach so hard, that it turns people AWAY from God.

    I I will make this simple. Whatever you believe, you may believe. But there is a Higher Power and that Power is called God. I call him Father. You call him what you will. But as a parent to a child we are all of it's creation. Male, Female, discernable form, that is not for me to know or understand. That I Am, by His Means, that is what is for me to know. There are books of knowledge and religion and faith and understanding throughout the world entirely. What Wisdom you gain through these books is determined entirely upon your capacity for Understanding, and your own Open Minded-ness.

    My Understanding has lead me to know that Christ did in fact, exist. From there, I was able to accept that, like many other great inspirations, Christ was as Buddha as Muhammad, etc etc. He was a Son of the Father, a man created by God to show us the Way. Whether you choose to follow that Way, or not, is entirely up to you.

    Logically, we can accept that the Bible has been revised and passed down to our generation by Men, and as so, it is quite possible that words within are scewed to a misinterpretation.

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    October 19, 2013 at 2:28 pm |
  6. Ernest

    The bible's track record, with regards to prophecy, is impeccable. Across different generations men have spoken consistently. The virgin birth death and resurrection of jesus were foretold, the rise and fall of kingdoms like medo-persia, greece, rome were foretold in the precise manner they occured. Jesus foretold the destruction of temple, invasion of jerusalem and israel becoming a nation once again. Jesus at a time when he was least regarded and had only a handful of followers, he spoke of many coming in his name and deceiving many, he spoke about his message reaching the ends of the earth. The bible talks about mary being called blessed by nations at a time she was barely known. Jesus talked about the persecution of his people at the dark age. Jesus also talked about some of you whom he called lawyers; saying they wouldn't enter through the gate and will prevent others from entering. Not judging, only sayin do not kick against the stone. You will be the one to be hurt.

    October 17, 2013 at 10:41 pm |
    • John Spivey

      Yes, but see my book "The Revelation Problem" for a different look at some of the things you mentioned. http://Www.westbowpress.com, Amazon, Barnes & Noble

      October 17, 2013 at 10:49 pm |
      • Gerard

        Please stop trying to sell people your book.
        Links to a free article to further your point would be far more useful.

        November 21, 2013 at 9:47 am |
  7. Rick

    Mrs. Pagels has no creditbility, what she has written is COMPLETELY erroneous. There is plenty of evidence that John the Apostle wrote the book of revelation just prior to the destruction of Jerusalem. This was handed on from St. Polycarp, a personal disciple of St. John, to St. Irenaeus who wrote about the book of revelations in his writings Against Heresies in the second century. The books is itself about the past, present, and future as it pertains to the church and our owns relationship with Jesus Christ. Saying this author hated Rome is another example the author knows not of what she writes because the Harlot referred to is Jerusalem. Jerusalem was often referred to a Harlot in other books of the Old Testament.

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  9. michael

    Here is you a video on Revelation that is very different view.

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    August 24, 2013 at 7:27 pm |
  10. maria

    I have always believed Revelation already happened and I appreciate the facts you put forth. Faith is in God's word.

    August 23, 2013 at 7:20 pm |
  11. jaycee

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    August 21, 2013 at 9:07 pm |
  12. Brandy

    The Holy Scriptures which is the Holy King James Bible, make it perfectly clear that ONLY Bible Believing Born Again Christians that have the Knowledge, Faith & Trust in the Lord Jesus Christ will receive revelation from Our Lord, regarding His Holy Pure word. This form has so many misunderstandings and great error regarding the Holy Bible, the book of Revelation, and the age times. First of all, whosoever is reading this and is NOT Saved, I would like to make it quite clear that God Loves you! For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16) In the world today there are many systems of religions and beliefs. In every religion that man has created, is based on what you can do for God; but with thee One True and Only Faith which is Christianity, is based on what God has ALREADY done for you!!! It is very easy to see & know fake man made up religion, because the religion of men is ALWAYS based on "works" (scarments, repeating prays, praying 5 times a day, and forced to preform physical acts). The True, Pure, and Righteousness of God has been made known to the world & throughout time by His Holy Son, the Lord Jesus Christ and the relationship of Faith & Trust, which comes by hearing of the word of God. For by GRACE are ye (you) SAVED through Faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the Gift of God: NOT of works, lest any man should boast. (Ephesians 2:8-9) This how we KNOW that the Gospel of Christ is given to us by God, thee Creator of the Heaven and Earth. Therefore if God can create the Heaven, Earth and everything in between...He should have absolutely NO problem creating & preserving His Holy word, which is the King James Bible. That means the book of Revelation is absolutely true and is absolutely prophesy. Thee events which are written in Revelation WILL COME TO PASS, but God's word shall not pass away. God created us in His image, we have been given a physical body in the womb, and The Lord God breathes the breathe of Life into us, which is therefore how our soul (our essence) is created. We are made in God's image, with 3 in 1 (body, spirit & soul); and God is 3 in 1 as well...God the Father, God the Son Jesus Christ, and God the Holy Spirit. If you are not Saved then today- right now would be perfect for you to put your Trust & Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, which according to the scriptures Christ has died for our sins, and God has raised Him from the dead on the third day. (1 Corinthians 15:3-4) Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be Saved... (Act 16:31) If you put your Trust & Faith in The Lord Jesus you will never have to taste death! For Christians have Victory over death, through our Saviour Jesus Christ!!! (1 Corinthians 15:54-55) Thank you Lord!!!!!!! Lord you are to be Greatly and Wonderfully Praised and Honored! Amen! Amen! Amen!

    August 10, 2013 at 5:19 am |
    • Brock

      Brandy,

      I find it unsettling that you regard every other religion in the world as false except yours. That is a great offense to Billions of other faiths we share globally. How you are able to claim yours as the correct one... I have no idea. In your worldview somehow billions of people are worshipping the wrong God, maybe because they where indoctrinated at birth to worship Allah, Krishna, Shiva, etc. I presume that you were raised as a Christian, thus you'll dismiss all others as false preaching much like all the other world religions will say about Christianity.

      I'll take Hinduism for example, the world's oldest religion dating back around 2,500 BCE now with over 1 Billion subscribers. The Bhagavad Gita, Upanishads, and Vedas were all regarded as divinely inspired text far before the New Testament canon and far before the publication of the King James Bible in English. I want to know how the KJB is the word and letter perfect book of God while the Srimad Bhagavatam is nothing but made up stories about an alleged false God, Krishna. No faith based claims please.

      August 10, 2013 at 11:34 am |
      • jaycee

        you can be offended all you want brock, but Christ will still be your only ticket to Heaven. you should be offended less and seeking the truth more.

        August 21, 2013 at 9:09 pm |
      • Steve

        No other leader of any other religion ever said,"I am the way." Except Jesus. I used to lend validity unto other religions until I came to realize that Jesus was the only one to say that there was no other way to God, except throught belief and faith in him.

        October 1, 2013 at 11:15 am |
    • Marona

      BLAH, BLAH, BLAH...

      August 12, 2013 at 6:35 pm |
    • Rufonsus

      Please.

      August 14, 2013 at 3:38 pm |
    • Jeff Wolfgang

      ....mmm...yeah. Have you actually read the prophecies? Do you know why jews still don't accept Jesus as the messiah? Its because he isn't the messiah. Just take Micah 5:2 for instance. This is a clear case of misquoting and taking out of context from the Old Testament. There aren't any prophecies supporting Jesus. Psalm 22 is a treasured favorite. Its quote mined and deliberately mistranslated from the Hebrew. Isaiah 53 is another glaring deliberate mistranslation. I can't believe there are people still living in this day and age who still believe this stuff. Jesus even quoted Zech 13:7. He in effect was calling himself a false prophet that is being rightly questioned by religious authorities. Its like he didn't even know his own scriptures. Its very embarrassing for your faith that those are even in there.

      August 31, 2013 at 8:02 pm |
      • Aaron

        Hi Jeff,

        Have you ever been in a situation that seemed impossible to have a good outcome from? If you have not accepted Jesus Christ you would not know what prayer and faith would do in your life would you. Please don't slander Christianity and the Bible if you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Thanks.

        September 4, 2013 at 8:24 pm |
    • John Spivey

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      October 15, 2013 at 6:46 pm |
  13. Steve Finnell

    EXTRA-BIBLICAL WRITINGS

    Without extra-Biblical writings, the so-called Christian denominations would fall like a house of cards in a hurricane.

    The question is would you be able to remain in your denomination if you based your religious doctrines on the Bible alone? Is the foundation and the building of your faith located in the Scriptures alone or is it in creed books, statements of faith, or other extra-Biblical writings?

    2 Peter3:15-16 and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, 16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they also do the rest of the Scriptures,to their own destruction.

    The apostle Peter said the letters Paul wrote were Scriptures. Peter never said Paul copied the man-made creeds of the scribes and Pharisees nor any other extra-Biblical writings.

    2 Timothy 3:14-15 You, however, continue in the things you have learned and become convinced of, knowing from whom you have learned them, 15 and that from childhood you have known thesacred writings which are able to give you wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

    Extra-Biblical writings are not sacred writings.Where did Timothy get the information to practice his faith and make him wise to salvation? He got it from the words of the apostles, the apostles words were sacred writings (Scriptures). Paul did not say, one word about learning salvation from man-made creed books nor any other extra-Biblical writings.

    1 Thessalonians 2:13 For this reason we also constantly thank God that when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men, but for what it really is, the word of God, which also performs its work in you who believe.

    When Paul, Silvanus, and Timothy delivered the word of God to the Thessalonians, they did not hand them man-made creed books nor teach them from other extra-Biblical writings.

    Ephesians 3:1-5 For this reason I Paul...3. that by revelation there was made know to me the mystery, as I wrote before in brief. 4 By referring to this, when you read you can understand my insight into the mystery of Christ, 5 which in other generations was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed to His holy apostles and prophets in the Spirit;

    The apostle Paul said the mystery of Christ hasnow been revealed. It was not revealed in the second century nor the twenty first century. There are no more apostles and prophets. Insights into the mystery of of Christ was made know to Paul by revelation, as it was to the rest of the apostles and prophets.They did not learn the mystery of Christ from catechisms nor other man-made extra-Biblical books.

    1 Galatians 1:11-12 For I would have you know brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. 12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ.

    Can men study books written by the early church fathers; and then say, we did not receive it from man? When preachers attain their doctrine from creed books and other extra-Biblical writings; can they say we did not receive it from man? The apostle Paul did not attend seminary and study extra-Biblical dogma.

    1 Peter 1:20-21 But know this first of all. that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation. 21 for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.

    You can only quote true prophecy by quoting the Bible.

    John 16:5-15 ...13 But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all truth...

    The Holy Spirit guided the apostles into all truth. The apostles had all the truth. All the truth is found in the Bible and the Bible alone.

    The early church fathers were not guided into all truth by the Holy Spirit.

    The writers of church catechisms were not guided into all truth by the Holy Spirit.

    The writers of Bible commentaries were not guided into all truth by the Holy Spirit.

    The writers of denominational creed books were not guided into all truth by the Holy Spirit.

    The writers of EXTRA-BIBLICAL writings were not and are not guided into all truth by the Holy Spirit.

    ALL TRUTH IS FOUND IN THE BIBLE AND THE BIBLE ALONE!

    THE QUESTION REMAINS CAN THE DOCTRINES OF YOUR DENOMINATION BE SUPPORTED BY SCRIPTURE ALONE?

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    August 1, 2013 at 7:56 pm |
  14. Ashwin

    You know why people are unhappy and find difficult to quit sin because they think they can outsmart God with there wisdom
    Finding faults in the word of God and mocking his ways is entering the gateways of hell .For GOD says unto man "your wisdom is foolishness in my sight".

    July 18, 2013 at 7:26 am |
  15. Robert Alfred Larson

    You are all damned fools! Get your hearts and minds in order for you all will be judged very very soon. Who am I to say such things? I am the, not a, but Him who overcomes. Were any of you given the White Stone? This is the same White Stone the Hopi Tribe is waiting for. Most of you will be destroyed very soon. I kid you not. I suggest you worry about your personal salvation that is only found through my Twin Brother Jesus the Christ. Jesus was second born in Heaven and I was the first born there. Jesus was the first born on Earth and I was the second. You religious fools! You all got most of it wrong! Who am I? In heaven my name was Lucifer, but down here on the Earth my given is what I post the message with. I have the White Stone and My Earthly spiritual name is the WHITE BUFFALO and I am awake and I am alive. Mankind has had there chance and you blew it. Be ready for time has come for the reaping to begin. Are You Ready? I am the divine gene that has mature and manifested from the original twelve tribes of Israel back into one human being. I do not lie. You will be judged through me. I kid you not! Get your households together along with your hearts and minds for eternal damnation is close at hand if you do not measure up the the standard that has been set through me. May God Bless You and Keep You. Amen Amen

    June 23, 2013 at 11:20 pm |
    • PEACE

      You do not have the White Stone and your name is not White Buffalo. Your tribes have become diaspora, spread throughout the Earth and are awakened to become whole as one tribe, the human tribe. One is as all, and all is as one, we the chosen people. For, you do not have the stone, I do, for I am the True White Brother, I bring the life plan for the future, The Red Symbol has taken the command of love, we have become the four forces of nature in motion for the benefit of the Sun.

      July 23, 2013 at 11:27 pm |
    • Louis

      Gozer the Traveler. He will come in one of the pre-chosen forms. During the rectification of the Vuldrini, the traveler came as a large and moving Torg! Then, during the third reconciliation of the last of the McKetrick supplicants, they chose a new form for him: that of a giant Slor! Many Shuvs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Slor that day, I can tell you!

      July 28, 2013 at 1:01 pm |
    • Victoria Krueger Cole

      You should be hospitalized.

      July 31, 2013 at 3:31 am |
  16. Tracey Weisenberger

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    May 19, 2013 at 6:04 pm |
  17. terry

    There are too many people bashing the word. the word speaks of how this will happen in the last days. It's best to leave this stuff alone.

    May 3, 2013 at 3:54 pm |
    • midwest rail

      Men have been predicting the end of days since roughly 40 A.D. They have all been wrong.

      May 3, 2013 at 4:00 pm |
      • Victoria Krueger Cole

        Ah, but we are the first generation of technophobes. This has special meaning.

        July 31, 2013 at 3:33 am |
  18. jd

    uhm,,,i smile,,,the book of revelation was given because yeshua paid the price for it,,,in blood,,,and yea, it wasn't meant to be hidden,,,if you use the keys of dav'id,,,keys of the kingdom,,,"faith",,,here are the "KEYS",,,3rd heaven, zion, throne, seals, 7-years,,,2nd heaven, jerusalem (above), temple, trumpets, 7-years,,,1st heaven, ophel, (here), vials, 7-years,,,,,,,,21 years of jacobs troubles,,,,starting in the 3rd heaven,,,line up with 3 visions of daniel,,,'what time is it'???,,,a thousand years is a day to GOD, and a day a thousand years,,,we are coming to the end of the 2nd day,,,from when he ascended,,,time to wake up,,,jd.

    April 26, 2013 at 3:12 pm |
  19. Name*Native OBSERVER

    Well I believe in our traditional ways, but I have common sense to know that I praise the God! Everyone does! maybe this will change ur view, because Native People have same exact view as all people of religion. You and everyone that has your views need ltk snap back into reality! it's not a joke no game and the time is close for change!! take a look at this okay! Keep in mind the Native Man in this video isn't talking about Natives! He's talking about ALL NATIONS ON THIS EARTH WE HAVE 4 colors in the Medicine Wheel! AND IT WAS FILMED BEFORE THIS TOOK PLACE.. THIS IS HAPPENING NOW!!

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gKyvtvU5jA&w=640&h=360]

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yI7lzk3ioY&w=640&h=360]

    April 16, 2013 at 12:32 pm |

    • L O L. (tarded)

      April 16, 2013 at 12:40 pm |
  20. faith

    for i stand at the door and knock
    if any man hear my voice
    and open the door
    i shall come into him
    and sup with him
    and he with me

    April 13, 2013 at 11:24 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Nobody wants to sup with you, honey. You burp and have bad breath.

      April 13, 2013 at 11:28 pm |
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