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Jews reclaim Jesus as one of their own
Some Jewish leaders are encouraging Jews to see Jesus as one of their own.
April 5th, 2012
02:36 PM ET

Jews reclaim Jesus as one of their own

By Richard Allen Greene, CNN

(CNN) - The relationship between Jews and Jesus has traditionally been a complicated one, to say the least.

As his followers' message swept the ancient world, Jews who did not accept Jesus as the Messiah found themselves in the uncomfortable, and sometimes dangerous, position of being blamed for his death.

Mainstream Christian theology's position held that Judaism had been supplanted, the Jewish covenant with the divine no longer valid, because of the incarnation of God as Jesus and his sacrifice on the cross.

Jews, for their part, tended largely to ignore Jesus.

That's changing now.

In the past year, a spate of Jewish authors, from the popular to the rabbinic to the scholarly, have wrestled with what Jews should think about Jesus.

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And overwhelmingly, they are coming up with positive answers, urging their fellow Jews to learn about Jesus, understand him and claim him as one of their own.

"Jesus is a Jew. He spent his life talking to other Jews," said Amy-Jill Levine, co-editor of the recently released "Jewish Annotated New Testament."

"In reading the New Testament, I am often inspired, I am intrigued. I actually find myself becoming a better Jew because I become better informed about my own history," she said.

Rabbi Shmuley Boteach, a media personality who recently launched a bid for a U.S. House seat, argues in his own new book, "Kosher Jesus," that "Jews have much to learn from Jesus - and from Christianity as a whole - without accepting Jesus' divinity. There are many reasons for accepting Jesus as a man of great wisdom, beautiful ethical teachings, and profound Jewish patriotism."

And Benyamin Cohen, an Orthodox Jew who spent a recent year going to church, admitted that he's jealous that Christians have Jesus.

"He's a tangible icon that everybody can latch on to. Judaism doesn't have a superhero like that," said Cohen, the author of the 2009 book "My Jesus Year."

 

"I'm not advocating for Moses dolls," he said, but he argued that "it's hard to believe in a God you can't see. I'm jealous of Christians in that regard, that they have this physical manifestation of the divine that they can pray to.

"There could be more devout Jews than me who don't need that, but to a young Jew living in the 21st century, I wish we had something more tangible," he said.

The flurry of recent Jewish books on Jesus - including this month's publication of "The Jewish Gospels: The Story of the Jewish Christ" by Daniel Boyarin - is part of a trend of Jews taking pride in Jesus, interfaith expert Edward Kessler said.

"In the 1970s and 1980s, Christian New Testament scholars rediscovered the Jewish Jesus. They reminded all New Testament students that Jesus was Jewish," said Kessler, the director of the Woolf Institute in Cambridge, England, which focuses on relations between Jews, Christians and Muslims.

A generation later, that scholarship has percolated into Jewish thought, he said, welcoming the trend: "It's not a threat to Jews and it's not a threat to Christians."

For Jews in particular, he said, "It's not so threatening as it was even 30 years ago. There is almost a pride that Jesus was a Jew rather than an embarrassment about it."

Boteach agrees, writing in "Kosher Jesus" that "Jews will gain much from re-embracing him as a hero."

"The truth is important," Boteach writes. "A patriot of our people has been lost. Worse still, he's been painted as the father of a long and murderous tradition of anti-Semitism."

Boteach aims to claim, or reclaim, Jesus as a political rebel against Rome and to exonerate the Jews of his death. But Boteach's book has attracted plenty of criticism, for instance for blaming the Apostle Paul for everything he doesn't like about Christianity, such as hailing Jesus as divine and cutting his ties to Judaism.

"Paul never met Jesus, and Jesus certainly never would have sanctioned Paul's actions and embellishments," Boteach argues about the apostle who wrote much of the New Testament. "Jesus ... would have been appalled at how his followers would later define him."

"Jews will never accept his divinity. Nor should they," Boteach writes, in one of many instances of presuming to know what Jesus really thought and meant. "The belief that any man is God is an abomination to Judaism, a position that Jesus himself would maintain."

He cherry-picks the Gospels to to suit his arguments, writes in casual modern idioms (calling Pontius Pilate a "sadistic mass murderer" and comparing him to Hitler), and gets wrong the most basic details of the Passion story, such as the amount of money Judas took to betray Jesus.

Other experts in the field label Boteach's book "sensationalistic," and call him a "popularizer," but Kessler sees "Kosher Jesus" as part of the trend of Judaizing Jesus. Cohen, the "My Jesus Year" author, offered some support for Boteach even as he expressed doubts about the book.

"I understand what Shmuley is trying to get at there," he said, but added: "I don't think anyone has the right to say 'This is the definition of Jesus,' especially a rabbi. He's not ours to claim."

Levine, who teaches New Testament and Jewish studies at Vanderbilt University Divinity School, also framed Jewish efforts to study Jesus in terms of mutual respect.

"Speaking personally as a Jew, if I want my neighbors to respect Judaism, which means knowing something about Jewish history, scripture and tradition, I owe my Christian neighbors the same courtesy. It's a matter of respect," she said.

She urged Jews to "become familiar with the material and make up their own mind as to how they understand Jesus."

Ironically, she added, Jews can understand their own history more thoroughly through studying the life of Jesus.

"The best source on the period for Jewish history other than (the first-century historian) Josephus is the New Testament," she said.

"It's one of those ironies of history that the only Pharisee writing in the Second Temple period from whom we have records is Paul of Tarsus," she said. " 'The Jewish Annotated New Testament' is designed in part to help Jews recover their own history."

But she also wants Christians to use it to understand Judaism more deeply, she said. While many Christian leaders acknowledge that Jesus was a Jew, she said, not many know much about what that means.

"Many Christian ministers and educators have no training in what early Judaism was like," she said. "Not to take seriously first-century Judaism seems to dismiss part of the message of the New Testament."

Cohen, the "My Jesus Year" author, found that Christians were very interested in Judaism during the 52 weeks he spent going from church to church.

"Many Christians look on Judaism as version 1.0 of their own religion. Because of that historical relationship, they're interested in a lot of the theology of Judaism," he said.

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For his part, Cohen learned much that surprised him. "I was shocked when I went to church and heard them give sermons about the Old Testament," he said. "I had no idea Christians read the Old Testament."

"One week, I went to church and the pastor gave exactly the same sermon my rabbi did the night before about Moses and the burning bush, and the pastor did it much better," he continued.

Cohen came away from his Jesus year with a clear understanding of what he believes.

"People ask me all the time if I believe in Jesus. Do I believe he exists? Sure. Do I believe he's your God? Sure, I have no problem with that," he said he tells Christians who ask.

"I understand Christians' love for Jesus and I respect that," he said. "If anything, I learned a lot from them and did become a more engaged Jew, a better Jew, and I appreciate my Judaism more because I hung out with Jesus."

- Newsdesk editor, The CNN Wire

Filed under: Jesus • Judaism

soundoff (2,641 Responses)
  1. b4bigbang

    test

    April 7, 2012 at 1:45 am |
  2. Walter Schenck

    To get an accurate hisotry of Jesus Christ read Walter Schenck's 2-part book - Shiloh, Unveiled – available in any bookstore or download to Kindle, iPad, or Nook. It is perhaps teh most profound book ever written about our Lord, through a Jewish perspective.

    April 7, 2012 at 12:18 am |
  3. Bob

    I am very happy to be an atheist. I look to the future and I plan for the future using knowledge gained in the past. Everything I need to know comes from observation of the natural world. I am as moral, if not more so, than anyone who believes in these ancient religions. If you don't accept me and allow for my position why should I accept yours?

    April 7, 2012 at 12:14 am |
    • chuckawala

      Why would anyone be happy to believe human body which has obvious design has no designer, or in other words be happy to be an atheist?
      According to the Bible, all have sinned.
      Christians have salvation by faith in Christ, not good works.
      Christians aren't better than non-Christians, just better off.

      April 7, 2012 at 1:12 am |
    • Cheese Wonton

      The bible is nothing but a fairy tale.

      April 7, 2012 at 1:21 am |
    • 0G-No gods, ghosts or goblins

      Actually, true fairy tales have more credibility than The Babble – at least we know who wrote them and when.

      April 7, 2012 at 1:26 am |
    • *facepalm*

      @chuckawala

      Obvious design?!? Tell me, why did your designer include an organ that provides little to no benefit, is entirely unnecessary, and occassionally kills. Was he asleep at the wheel, just not that intelligent, or sadistic?

      April 7, 2012 at 2:03 am |
  4. erush

    He was the messianic figure prophized in Isiah 61 and Jesus read this in temple but stoped reading before he got to the verse describing Kingdom age which is the second appearance which Zech 14 and Acts 3 both agree on and occurs at Mount of Olives outside Jerusalem. Jesus referred to "GOD' as father and said he was going to be seated on the right of.

    April 6, 2012 at 11:48 pm |
    • Cq

      Does being seated at the right hand of a king make someone the king also? No, the right-hand man is still subordinate to the ruler. Why do you interpret this as Trinity verification?

      April 7, 2012 at 12:41 am |
    • b4bigbang

      Cq: "Does being seated at the right hand of a king make someone the king also? No, the right-hand man is still subordinate to the ruler. Why do you interpret this as Trinity verification?"

      Good question Cq. The Son is equal in substance to the Father, but subordinate in function (just like a – well, a Father-son relationship!), if that makes sense to you.
      Remember Jesus said "all power/authority has been given to me"? It was the Father that gave it to him.
      Compare this with the Old Testament story of Joseph. He was Pharoah's co-regent, subordinate to Pharoah, and yet Pharoah trusted his wisdom so much that he let him rule his entire kingdom. Re-read that story – it's a great insight on the subject.

      April 7, 2012 at 12:58 am |
    • fred

      b4
      Are not the Father the Son and Holy Spirit one in God? I always looked at the Holy Trinity as attributes of God; God the Father, God the Son and the Holy Spirit of God. Christ is one with the Father in perfect unity and we join that perfect unity only in Christ not in ourselves.

      April 7, 2012 at 1:18 am |
    • 0G-No gods, ghosts or goblins

      Sorry to break the news to you but almost assuredly there are no gods, so you guys are just hacking over the fine points of the biggest fantasy role playing game, with heavy emphasis on fantasy. Grow up and shed your childish myths and fears.

      April 7, 2012 at 1:23 am |
    • Cq

      b4bigbang
      So. "God" is like a family company, and Jesus is just the vice-president in charge of Salvation, or something? However John 1:1, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." spells out that Jesus is actually God, right? So, is Jesus actually God, or something less than God? Not really God or someone proper to worship?

      April 7, 2012 at 1:29 am |
    • fred

      OG-No,gods
      I agree with you totally there are no gods. There is one God. What is it 9 billion people have worshiped since recorded human history? Your answer is either you don’t know or there is nothing and we are simply organic matter and chemical reactions as are all living animals. Your answer is that our purpose in life and existence of life in the universe is without purpose for being in the first place. At best you ascribe a meaningful life to be the same as the meaningful life of a horse or dog, rat, frog etc....................best yet you claim your position has more validity without any proof whatsoever.

      April 7, 2012 at 1:35 am |
    • 0G-No gods, ghosts or goblins

      fred, almost assuredly there are no gods, not even just 1. You have no evidence for any, not even 1. We are all animals, some more highly evolved than others. You are living a childish myth – get over it. Having 9B delusional friends does not make your beliefs true – facts do, and you have none.

      April 7, 2012 at 9:59 am |
  5. Tree

    THIS HAS HAPPENED BEFORE

    Many, Many times in the history of Christian and Jews there came be a respectful exchange of ideas. But every time the Catholic Church moved in with its inquisition and exterminated Tens of Thousands. It happened in Italy, it happened in Russia, It happened in Spain. The divisions of the Bible into Chapters and Verses came about because Christian Priests and Jewish Rabbis debated the Bible in Pre-Inquisition Spain.

    OMG, If this can happen here and now, before any outside force can move in and kill us all off, it will be the greatest religious reconciliation in history. Imagine what would happen if the Jews saw that Jesus loved them and if Christians realized that Jesus was a Rabbi that always taught obedience to the Torah. Jews quoting Jesus and Christians eating Matzah, what a Passover that would be.

    I hope this happens, to finally have understanding between the two religions of the Bible.

    April 6, 2012 at 11:05 pm |
    • hawaiiduude

      too bad the talmudic joos of today hate jesus and all he stands for.

      April 6, 2012 at 11:09 pm |
  6. Chad

    1. DO NOT automatically believe something just because a priest, rabbi or minister tells you that you must.
    "Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. 12 As a result, many of them believed, as did also a number of prominent Greek women and many Greek men" – Acts 17

    2. DO NOT think that claims about magic and the supernatural are automatically true, do your own investigation! See above Acts 17

    3. DO analyze claims about religion with the same critical eye that you would claims about money, political positions or social issues. See above, Acts 17.

    4. DO NOT accept it when religious leaders tell you it is wrong to question, doubt or think for yourself. It never is.
    See above, Acts 17.

    5. DO realize that without God, there is no universal morality.

    6. DO a bit of independent research into whatever book you were brought up to believe in. Who are its authors and why should I believe them in what they say? See above Acts 17.

    7. DO have the guts to ask the hard questions and the brains to spot the weak answers. See above Acts 17

    8. DO NOT be an naturalist/humanist or accept the explanation “look, that's just an irrelevant question to ask” when you come upon logical inconsistencies in your belief.

    9. DO understand where Christianity came from, that you worship the Jewish Messiah.

    10. DO educate yourself on the natural Universe, human history and the history of life on Earth, so as to be able to properly evaluate claims that a benevolent, omnipotent, God is behind the whole thing and He loves you more than you could possibly ever understand.

    April 6, 2012 at 10:48 pm |
    • Cq

      1. "DO NOT automatically believe something just because a priest, rabbi or minister tells you that you must." Good one, but extend that to all religious gurus, including bloggers such as yourself there buddy! :-)

      2. "DO NOT think that claims about magic and the supernatural are automatically true, do your own investigation!" Good one as well. Lots of claims of magic and the supernatural in scripture and modern religious experience. Don't take them at face value.

      3. "DO analyze claims about religion with the same critical eye that you would claims about money, political positions or social issues." A good one, but extend that to include claims about consumer products because religion is a consumer product like anything else.

      4. "DO NOT accept it when religious leaders tell you it is wrong to question, doubt or think for yourself. It never is." I'll actually agree with that, but I would extend it to scripture as well because it was written by religious leaders after all, right?

      5. Why is there no universal morality without God, and why does there need to be a universal morality? It's be nice to have one, but you can't have everything in this imperfect world.

      6. Ask, who are its authors of anti-evolution books and why should I believe them in what they say?

      7. Atheists have the guts to ask the hard questions and the brains to spot the weak answers. That's why we're atheists. :-)

      8. How about the many, many logical inconsistencies in your belief?

      9. Jesus didn't fulfill all the expectations of the expected Jewish Messiah.

      Did Jesus build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).
      Did he gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).
      Did he usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)
      Did he spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world ― on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).

      Did Jesus do all of these things within his lifetime? If not, then he failed to fulfill prophecy.

      10. How does educating yourself on the "natural Universe, human history and the history of life on Earth" lead you to believing in God?

      April 7, 2012 at 12:13 am |
    • PRISM 1234

      "Did Jesus build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).
      Did he gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).
      Did he usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)
      Did he spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world ― on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).

      Did Jesus do all of these things within his lifetime? If not, then he failed to fulfill prophecy."

      JEsus was cut off, just like it is written in Isaiah 53.
      But God in His wisdom had a plan that through rejection of the Messiah by His own the Gentiles would be grafted in. This dispensation of time is the time of the Gentiles. The verses you quoted above, the ones you claim have not been fulfilled by Christ, are GOING TO Be fulfilled, after the last "week" (7 years) of times of Great Tribulation , and Christ comming triumphing over His enemies. That is what the Scriptures teach, and the Holy spirit testifies too.
      Your own understanding, and trust in your own wisdom has blinded your eyes, just like it has blinded the Jews who with rebellion in their hearts did not look for the king of righteousness, but one who will save them from Romans and their oppression. But Christ did not come to save them from Romans but to save them from their sins, and reconcile them to God. They refused, so the message went to the rest of the world, excluding them, until the time apointed to their restoration, not because of their greatness and superiority, but because of God's mercy and faithfulness to His promises to Abraham.

      April 7, 2012 at 11:48 am |
  7. Chris

    If Jesus isn't God, all of Christianity falls. There's no atonement for sin, no resurrection. Nothing. Just a good guy doing good things. All of the early heresies boiled down to that: de-emphasizing Jesus' deity.

    April 6, 2012 at 10:21 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      "All of the early heresies boiled down to that: de-emphasizing Jesus' deity"
      That's exactly the deciever's aim. He knows that without Christ there is no salvation. And if he can co'nvince people that Christ is not God Himself who came in the flesh, there is no salvation for them. Because ONLY God Himself can save the fallen man! Jesus is God in the flesh... no other!
      Those "christian" groups denying this truth are cults, and do not know Jesus Christ of whom the Word of God testifies, and the Holy Spirit who is the Spirit of Truth bears witness. Therefore they are no more then dead, lifeless religions, without the Spirit of God who gives life to those who come to God by faith in Jesus Christ His Son. They're also subjected to endless errors in their understanding of Scriptures , because they can not understand them apart from the Spirit of God.

      April 6, 2012 at 11:09 pm |
    • Souheil Bayoud

      You are absolutely right.The problem of some people that they want to be blind and to dictate on God their own reasoning and explanations.
      http://www.souheilsamibayoud.com

      April 6, 2012 at 11:17 pm |
    • Cq

      And what's wrong with a good guy doing good things? Wouldn't following his example still go a long way in limiting evil throughout the world? What more do you want in a system of morals?

      April 6, 2012 at 11:49 pm |
    • Cq

      Or, from the Jewish perspective of Jesus' first followers, the real heresy was suggesting he was divine like the Roman emperors and mythic heros like Hercules, and then writing gospels and letters to spread that belief.

      April 7, 2012 at 12:47 am |
  8. rs1201

    WHY IS THIS BSTRD HAWAIIDUDE ALLOWED TO POST THAT HATEFUL LYING VIDEO? WHERE THE HECK ARE THE CNN CENSORS...OFF FOR THE NIGHT????

    April 6, 2012 at 10:11 pm |
    • hawaiiduude

      oh right I can only post anti muslim comments here at zionist owned cnn... did you like pastor Ted Pike?

      April 6, 2012 at 10:13 pm |
    • hawaiiduude

      truth hurts MR. ALLCAPS!

      April 6, 2012 at 10:14 pm |
    • hawaiiduude

      I post whenever cnn posts about my jesus.

      April 6, 2012 at 10:15 pm |
    • hawaiiduude

      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuR1yntPBss&w=640&h=390]

      April 6, 2012 at 10:17 pm |
    • hawaiiduude

      cnn censors are observing passover bahaha!

      April 6, 2012 at 10:21 pm |
  9. BilCat

    It's cool to see Jews starting to accept Jesus for more than a heretic. I KNOW that Jesus was the Jehova of the Old Testament and the son of God, out Heavenly Father. As children of out Father in Heaven we are ALL sons and daughters of God. Our Father has counseled us to love our brothers and sisters. To respect and care for one another.

    Jesus is our elder brother, He chose to be a sacrifice for our sins – just like the paschal lamb. His sacrifice to take all of our sins upon Him gives us an opportunity to return to our Heavenly Father if we will accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior, repent of our sins against God and our fellow man and follow His example.

    April 6, 2012 at 9:39 pm |
    • Ali Sandy

      I want to save this picture, but I do not see such option, or to forward?

      April 6, 2012 at 9:49 pm |
    • hawaiiduude

      todays joo=antichrist.

      April 6, 2012 at 9:52 pm |
    • JT

      You sound like you're smoking crack.

      April 6, 2012 at 9:58 pm |
  10. the moon maiden

    Jesus was a black jewish man.

    April 6, 2012 at 9:39 pm |
    • hawaiiduude

      white europeans have hijecked judaism and created the antichyst

      April 6, 2012 at 9:53 pm |
    • lex

      yea right......if jesus was black why dont blacks keep kosher?

      April 6, 2012 at 10:00 pm |
    • hawaiiduude

      @lex because jesus didn't need to keep the old traditions he could eat bacon or whatever because he fullfilled the ot he wasn;t sugject to it. Kosher foods are not in the NT.

      April 6, 2012 at 10:10 pm |
  11. Saywhatyoumean

    I want to grow as an individual to be as loving and respectful and kind to others as possible. Sometimes I get distracted by my emotions and let myself think harmful thoughts. I have faith in a creator I call God and I also have faith in who I believe is the only person who can help me eventually overcome my shortcomings – Jesus. I have based my faith on my research into religion, history and science but I am not against considering other viewpoints to see if they have anything I can learn. I don't believe I have "the truth", I believe I have partial knowledge and it can change at any moment based on the available evidence. It's not easy to say that. Sometimes I get stuck on a certain belief and I don't want to let it go. Universal Salvation is one such belief I really like – but I just don't have the evidence to know if it's really true or not. I hope it is, but either way, I have trust that eventually I will evolve to a better spiritual state. Whether that's in what is called Heaven I don't know. I don't believe in a burning hell as all the evidence I've seen and what I believe about God and Jesus are opposed to such thinking. If another person wants to believe in it, I'm not going to judge them. I want to stop judging everybody, I'm so sick of doing it. And I don't want to tell other people what it means to really be a "Christian" – I always thought having faith in the Christ meant you were a Christian, not belonging to a certain church or organization. maybe some people get so sick and tired of all the arguing and negativity that religious people have that they completely stop believing in a creator. I respect their choice to do so, even if I personally do believe in one. I don't think you have to be religious to be a good person. There are lots of religious people who do good things and lots who do bad things. The same goes with non-religious folks. I think the best thing I can do as a Christian is live my life as best I can with love and mercy for my fellow humans. But I have to start with myself because if I can't forgive myself then how can I forgive others.? It's not easy but I'm trying.

    Be kind to each other :)

    April 6, 2012 at 9:31 pm |
    • BilCat

      Amen my brother (or sister).

      You do have a portion of the truth, your faith and belief in God and His Son, Jesus the Christ. The organization Jesus formed when He was on the earth at the meridian time with prophets and apostles has been restored to the earth. Christ's church is lead by Jesus the Christ and administered by His called, ordained and set-apart prophet and quorum of the 12 Apostles. The name of His church is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

      I'm confident that as you learn about His church and ask God, our Eternal Father in Jesus' name, seeking to find the truth our Father will send His spirit – The Holy Ghost – to touch your heart and mind so that you will know by the power of the spirit that what i have said here is true. that's how I and many millions of God's children have come to know it's true.

      Peace to you.

      Bill

      April 6, 2012 at 10:02 pm |
  12. MuchoMacho

    Jesus as God? I'd bet he said some Zen thing like I and the father are one. Well I'm at one with the universe-now go bring it

    April 6, 2012 at 9:08 pm |
    • the moon maiden

      FUNNY! LOL

      April 6, 2012 at 9:40 pm |
  13. MuchoMacho

    Jesus was a citizen of the world , he didn't preach jews are better than anybody else, and he didn't sign-up to be a jew
    He's the most famous person in history, and he's staying that way,..yeah, it might be a good thing to take a look at him.

    April 6, 2012 at 9:03 pm |
    • lex

      hey muchomacho jesus was born a jew lived as a jew and died as a jew history brother history..........

      April 6, 2012 at 10:02 pm |
    • northern light

      "He's the most famous person in history, and he's staying that way"

      Yes that s correct he is the most famous person ....and that is all he ever was.....just a single Jewish man ....a person.
      Not a god or prophet ...".just a man" who died a very violent death becuase of his radical views.

      April 6, 2012 at 11:12 pm |
  14. Joe

    lol @ anyone who cares about this stuff.

    April 6, 2012 at 8:58 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      @Joe – well if ya dont care for any of this stuff, then all i can suggest is 'don't let the virtual door hit you in the rear as you exit this board...'

      April 6, 2012 at 9:44 pm |
    • chuckawala

      What's so funny about concern there might be designer responsible for the obvious design in human beings, who just might have a purpose for & expectations of the designed?
      When Ford created model T, he didn't do it only to provide new form of transportation. He expected return on design & investment. Why would designer of human beings expect any less than Ford?

      April 6, 2012 at 11:48 pm |
    • Cq

      chuckawala
      The real world isn't like the movie "Cars." Model Ts don't reproduce themselves like living creatures do, exchanging genes, and naturally mutating. Your analogy is silly.

      April 7, 2012 at 1:16 am |
  15. SAMMI JR

    The biggest Anti-Semitic act was committed by the Jewish people when they crucified JESUS !

    April 6, 2012 at 8:32 pm |
    • Leo

      Jesus laid down his life, and knew he was the Suffering Servant as prophesied in Isaiah 53.

      Yes the Jews rejected him as Messiah and were scattered to all nations for nearly 1900 years.

      He will come back for them in the end and they will understand and believe!!

      Zechariah 12

      10 “I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn. 11 In that day there will be great mourning in Jerusalem, like the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the plain of Megiddo.

      April 6, 2012 at 8:38 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      Anti-Jew alert: I think SAMMI JR is either a muslim or a middle-eastern orthodox "xtian" (both groups are anti-Jew).
      I think he's one because I've known several Palestinians in the US who go by the name (and spelling) "Sammi".

      April 6, 2012 at 9:47 pm |
    • lex

      romans killed jesus who are italians afterall they had the power to kill or let u live history read it sometime SAMMI......

      April 6, 2012 at 10:06 pm |
    • Dan

      I believe the Romans crucified Jesus.....How do you know the Jews crucified him? Were you there?

      April 6, 2012 at 10:14 pm |
    • Tree

      Read The Bible- The Romans crucified Jesus.

      the Romans were Italians
      Also, the Catholic Church was controlled from Italy, and the Catholic Church is the one that started the whole convert or die thing that Islam picked up on.
      So really, Italians killed Jesus and hundreds of thousands of Jesus' relatives.

      April 6, 2012 at 11:13 pm |
    • Cq

      You mean that the outrage Christians feel (not felt, because it's still going on) believing that "the Jews" killed Jesus was/is the cause of anti-Semitism, right?

      April 6, 2012 at 11:55 pm |
    • chuckawala

      There were a few Jewish leaders that couldn't handle the Truth & stirred a mob up to demand it be crucified.
      You see political leaders do the same thing all the time.
      The Roman soldiers crucified Christ, because Pilate, giving into demands of the mob, commanded them to, not because Jesus was a Jew.
      Jesus Christ was crucified for the sins of the world. Anyone who wants to know who crucified Christ, need look no further than the nearest mirror.

      April 7, 2012 at 12:12 am |
    • Cq

      chuckawala
      If anybody was likely to stir up the Jewish people it was Pilate. Jospehus records him ignoring Jewish custom concerning graven images and spending temple money on public works. He also put down protests with beatings. The Gospel writers cast the Pharisees as the bad guys because they were excluded from synagogue over not observing the Law, and cast Pilate as blameless because they wanted the new faith to be more acceptable to Roman citizens.

      This recasting caused the greatest tragedy to ever befall the Jews. Not what you'd expect from a messiah that was supposed to bring them to peace.

      April 7, 2012 at 1:12 am |
  16. Leo

    The Reality of Israel is that it was promised that they would return after being gathered from all nations.

    Israel is the safest and most peaceful country in all of the Middle East, an Arab Israeli can attain the same level as men, yet in Saudi Arabia they can't even drive a car.

    Before you jump on the anti Israel Bandwagon you should visit all the nations in the area and see for yourself the difference.

    April 6, 2012 at 8:31 pm |
    • Leo

      An Arab Isreali woman can atta the same level as men

      April 6, 2012 at 8:32 pm |
    • hawaiiduude

      except if you are a palestinian who disagrees with israeli government occupation of palestine land then you are to be shot.

      April 6, 2012 at 9:04 pm |
    • lex

      Amen! Leo you said it brother

      April 6, 2012 at 10:08 pm |
    • Reality

      ONLY FOR THE NEWCOMERS:

      origin: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20E1EFE35540C7A8CDDAA0894DA404482

      “New Torah For Modern Minds

      Abraham, the Jewish patriarch, probably never existed. Nor did Moses. The entire Exodus story as recounted in the Bible probably never occurred. The same is true of the tumbling of the walls of Jericho. And David, far from being the fearless king who built Jerusalem into a mighty capital, was more likely a provincial leader whose reputation was later magnified to provide a rallying point for a fledgling nation.

      Such startling propositions – the product of findings by archaeologists digging in Israel and its environs over the last 25 years – have gained wide acceptance among non-Orthodox rabbis. But there has been no attempt to disseminate these ideas or to discuss them with the laity – until now.

      The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, which represents the 1.5 million Conservative Jews in the United States, has just issued a new Torah and commentary, the first for Conservatives in more than 60 years. Called "Etz Hayim" ("Tree of Life" in Hebrew), it offers an interpretation that incorporates the latest findings from archaeology, philology, anthropology and the study of ancient cultures. To the editors who worked on the book, it represents one of the boldest efforts ever to introduce into the religious mainstream a view of the Bible as a human rather than divine docu-ment. “

      The notion that the Bible is not literally true "is more or less settled and understood among most Conservative rabbis," observed David Wolpe, a rabbi at Sinai Temple in Los Angeles and a contributor to "Etz Hayim." But some congregants, he said, "may not like the stark airing of it." Last Passover, in a sermon to 2,200 congregants at his synagogue, Rabbi Wolpe frankly said that "virtually every modern archaeologist" agrees "that the way the Bible describes the Exodus is not the way that it happened, if it happened at all." The rabbi offered what he called a "LITANY OF DISILLUSION”' about the narrative, including contradictions, improbabilities, chronological lapses and the absence of corroborating evidence. In fact, he said, archaeologists digging in the Sinai have "found no trace of the tribes of Israel – not one shard of pottery."

      April 6, 2012 at 11:12 pm |
    • kid

      Leo, thank you for the truth......good job! Looks like some eyes are beginning to open. Praise God!

      April 7, 2012 at 12:20 am |
  17. Religion is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer is delusional.

    April 6, 2012 at 8:30 pm |
    • hawaiiduude

      CNN.. it appears you have already posted this comment. Many times.

      April 6, 2012 at 9:06 pm |
    • northern light

      @ hawaiiduude
      ". it appears you have already posted this comment. Many times."

      Yes it seems you religious nuts need repeated remnders that talking snakes and flying people are not supported by modern
      science and common sense......eventually we will drag you, clutching your holy book, kicking, screaming into the modern era......trouble is it will take a very long time..

      April 6, 2012 at 11:24 pm |
  18. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things .

    April 6, 2012 at 8:05 pm |
  19. hawaiiduude

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Hb6Y6mOhDo&w=640&h=390]

    April 6, 2012 at 7:50 pm |
  20. Muneef

    Our global outcry has played a leading role in protecting the Internet from governments eager to monitor and control what we do online. Let's stand together once again - and beat this law for good. Sign the pet-i-tion then forward to everyone who uses the Internet: 

    http://www.avaaz.org/en/stop_cispa/?tta

    April 6, 2012 at 7:50 pm |
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