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April 7th, 2012
08:48 AM ET

Taking a rare tour of a Mormon temple

By Eric Marrapodi and Brian Todd, CNN

Kansas City, Missouri (CNN) – Elder William Walker slipped white booties over his black wing-tip shoes and instructed his guests to do the same as he led them into the newest Mormon temple in the world.

This day was the first chance the public had to see inside the sacred space for the area’s 49,000 Mormons, and it was also one of the last.

On May 6, when Thomas S. Monson, the head of the 14 million member Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, dedicates this temple, the doors will close forever to the public. The church said it expects as many as 100,000 visitors in Kansas City before the temple will be closed to the public.

After that, only temple-recommended Mormons will be able to walk through the heavy wooden and stained-glass doors.

“This is a sacred space, set apart place for only those who are devout followers of the faith,” Walker said.

For Mormons, temples serve as places of contemplation, instruction and worship experiences, like weddings and posthumous baptisms.

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The 67-year-old Walker is the executive director of the Temple Department, and he is the point man for the church’s 137 temples.

Walker is a top official in the LDS church as a member of the First Quorum of the Seventy and he reports directly to Monson. The Canadian-born hockey fanatic has been a lifelong member of the church. He graduated from Brigham Young University, served a Mormon mission to Japan and spent time in the private sector working in securities and investment banking before being called to serve the church full-time in 2002.

Kansas City’s temple is the latest to open. The church has announced it will build 29 temples across five continents. Construction is under way in Paris and Rome, and temples are planned for Peru and South Africa.

“We’re building temples where the church is grown and have a concentration of members,” he said.

Outside the new Mormon temple in Kansas City, Missouri.

Inside the temple the required first stop is the Recommend Desk. After the dedication, only Mormons who have a recommend card are able to enter and participate in worship. The personalized cards are given by local church leaders to adherents who profess to be living in accordance with church teachings.

As he explained the process, Walker reached into his wallet, pushed his Utah driver’s license aside and pulled out his recommend card, which was endorsed by Monson, his bishop. Walker said his credit-card-sized recommend card, like all others, is only good for two years.

CNN was invited by church officials to tour the temple with Walker before its dedication. The church denied CNN's request to film inside the space, saying it was against church policy. The LDS church provided still images after the tour, which accurately depicted key parts of the temple. In a rare move, CNN was permitted to film inside the front of the temple at the Recommend Desk, but no farther.

"It's not about secret. It's about sacred,” Walker said after the tour, making what the church sees as a key distinction. “We feel that it's a very sacred and special place and therefore it is reserved for those worship functions and those ordinances that take place in the temple. It's not about secret."

Walker said the policy is not unlike that for Shinto shrines in Japan, where he served his mission.

But it's a thin line between sacred and secret. Public tours of the temple are only available when they are first built or undergo massive renovations. After that, outsiders and Mormons who are not temple recommended are kept out, even from wedding ceremonies.

In the sealing room, where eternal weddings take place, Walker points out the altar at the center of the room. The bride and groom kneel facing each other and the officiant stands off to the side. The room is richly decorated with Swarovski crystal chandeliers and massive gilded mirrors on either side of the room, and Walker raves about the design on the white carpet, carefully explaining how local artisans cut the meticulous pattern by hand.

Despite the grand size of the building, each room is small: This is the biggest of the three sealing rooms, and its capacity is just 49 people.

Guests are welcome at Sunday worship at one of the church’s 18,000 meeting houses, Walker is quick to note. The temple, he observes, “is a sacred, special place that’s unique. There are only 137 of these temples in all the world.”

The temple also contains a gleaming baptismal font. Though it’s a point of pride for Mormons, it has been controversial elsewhere. A church ceremony called “proxy baptisms” by Mormons includes posthumous baptisms of Jews, some of whom have protested the practice.

The baptismal font at the newest Mormon temple.

However, in Mormon doctrine, baptism is essential for salvation. While converts to the faith are baptized in services at local wards, the weekly meeting place for services open to the public, proxy baptisms take place only in the temple and in private.

The proxy baptisms are supposed to be for Mormons’ ancestors who were not of the faith. Walker said the baptism serves as an invitation to accept Mormonism as an avenue into heaven.

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At the temple, Walker took his visitors through the process as it is supposed to work.

The font rests on 12 oxen, which he said represent the tribes of Israel.

Adherents change into white gowns he jokingly referred to as "jumpsuits," provided by the temple. A male priest leads the proxy into the waist-high water, gives the blessing and the name of the ancestor, then the proxy is lowered into the water, fully immersed, then brought up to the surface. The desk next to the font has a small monitor and a light. That person's job is to record the act for the church's central database.

When the temple begins operation, Walker said, this is a scene that will play out “hundreds of times a day.”

But some Mormons have used the church’s extensive genealogy database to baptize others who are not Mormon ancestors, such as the murdered Jewish reporter Daniel Pearl and holocaust victims like Anne Frank. It’s a practice that has outraged Jewish leaders.

“When people violate the church policy of doing baptisms for those who our leaders have said we’re not going to do that, they’re acting on their own in contradiction of church policy,” he said. “We’re unhappy about that. We love our Jewish friends. We don’t want to offend them or anyone else by our religious practices.”

“We’re sorry. We live by our word and when we say we’re going to do something, we’re going to try and do it,” Walker said.

He promised disciplinary action.

“We’re now tracking those who’ve done this contrary to church policy and we’re going to shut down their access to the church’s database, Family Search, so they can’t do this.”

He acknowledges interest in proxy baptisms, and other Mormon practices, has spiked thanks to Mormon Mitt Romney’s run for president.

While the church takes no position on party politics nor allows its officials to endorse candidates, Walker can see some good coming out of Romney's run for the White House.

“I think it’s perfectly understandable people who are considering him would want to know more about the church he espouses,” he said. “In many ways it may be a good thing that people will want to know more. Maybe some of the old ideas about the church that have persisted in American culture can change.”

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soundoff (4,366 Responses)
  1. james buchanan

    Surprise! It's all about money. Some of the worst men I have had contact with have been Mormons. If you are simply a good employee and do good work...this is not enough for a Mormon boss. You will be constantly persecuted by that boss while he or she raves about his or her "perfect" beliefs. They themselves rarely practice Christianity as we know it and their influence is attempted in every conversation. If there is a hell the Mormons will find it.

    April 21, 2012 at 2:14 pm |
  2. biologixco

    Mitt Romney / Warren Jeffs
    Feel the excitement!
    Romney/Jeffs2012!

    April 21, 2012 at 1:55 am |
    • heguido

      Biologixco / Lilburn Boggs
      Repeat the History!
      Hate Works!
      Feel the Executive Order 44!
      Biologixco/Boggs 2012

      April 21, 2012 at 11:28 am |
  3. biologixco

    Like our new 20million dollar "church"?
    Would YOU like to join?
    go to exmormon.org first!

    April 21, 2012 at 1:51 am |
    • heguido

      20 millions, wow!

      Maybe some Baptists contributed to build it, in appreciation of what mormons did when they helped them build their church in Bouniful. Who knows, there's good people in all churches!

      April 21, 2012 at 10:42 am |
  4. beowolf

    I really hate the Normans! who do they think they are coming over across the channel and conquoring us poor innocent anglo saxons. I can't believe that the Republicans would ever want to nominate a blood thirsty Norman... Oh, he's a Mormon... never mind.

    April 21, 2012 at 1:06 am |
  5. biologixco

    Liberty students should throw pennies at Mitt Romney
    He needs them for his Penny Loafers.
    Richie rich wore those circa 1967
    Romney still wears them in 2012
    Does anybody still wear penny loafers? (ack)

    April 20, 2012 at 11:32 pm |
  6. Janet Loeffler

    Here's a mormon teaching...sounds like it's right out of some deomonic fairytale mind: "Mormon general authorities including the tenth prophet, Joseph Fielding Smith, teach that God, our "Heavenly Father," is married to "Heavenly Mother." Through procreation, God and his wife produce "spirit children" who live with them in the "pre-existence" near a huge star called Kolob (Abraham 3:3. Pearl of Great Price). Straight from the book I had to have for my apologetics class, by Ed Hindson and Ergun Caner.

    Now, after taking that class, years of courses, I get to have in my long-term memory, the fact that a mormon sent me on my way to do the will of God, using the skills that Liberty taught me.

    April 20, 2012 at 11:25 pm |
    • biologixco

      Im gonna put on my magic underwear and go out in my yard to see if I can spot Kolob in the clear night sky

      April 20, 2012 at 11:33 pm |
    • heguido

      Yes, it's cool, isn't it?
      Thanks to modern Prophets called by God, likewise those of old, we can understand A LOT more about Deity, who we are, where we came from, why we are here, and what is our Glorious Eternal Destiny... A Heavenly Mother. Great to know it! And it makes perfectly sense when you think about it...
      It is interesting that people gets mad for getting more of the word of God... Oh, that's prophesied 2,600 years ago by prophet Nephi in the Book of Mormon!
      Awesome!

      April 21, 2012 at 10:58 am |
    • George

      So, you believe in a Father in Heaven, who appears as his own son and a ghost, and talks to himself in public, and is a father and a son without any wife or mother. Now which sounds more like a fantasy?

      April 21, 2012 at 10:59 am |
  7. ?

    Liberty University had asked Mitt Romney to give the commencement address. But now the students are in an uproar, claiming Mormons aren't Christians, and they will not show up if Romney gives the address. It starts!

    April 20, 2012 at 7:11 pm |
    • Abinadi

      @ ?. Maybe you can explain to me. Hebrews 4: 5 and 6, as well as John 15: 16 clearly teaches that a man must be called of God and given authority to preach the gospel and administer in the ordinances. This authority clearly must come from apostles and prophets as taught in Ephesians chapter 2. The protestants apostacized from the Catholic church. So, where does your authority to preach to me come from?

      April 20, 2012 at 9:01 pm |
    • biologixco

      Looks like the "Im a Mormon" tv ad campaign didn't pan out too well.
      Americans arent stupid
      Let the games begin...

      April 20, 2012 at 10:59 pm |
    • Abinadi

      Perhaps you can tell me, bioloxico. Where does your authority come from? What gives you the right to preach?

      April 20, 2012 at 11:27 pm |
    • james

      Good for.them.I was wondering if anyone would take a stand .I thought liberty university would stand.strong.against mormanism.

      April 21, 2012 at 12:43 am |
  8. ?

    Just do a Wikipedia search on Joseph Smith. If you don't think he was a con man after reading that, you are seriously delusional.

    April 20, 2012 at 7:01 pm |
    • Reason

      I love how reliable Wikipedia is. Everything I read on the internet must be true.

      April 21, 2012 at 11:05 am |
    • ?

      At least it's more reliable than the book of Mormon

      April 21, 2012 at 4:29 pm |
  9. Muneef

    And even if We had sent down to you, [O Muhammad], a written scripture on a page and they touched it with their hands, the disbelievers would say, "This is not but obvious magic." 6:7

    And they say, "Why was there not sent down to him an angel?" But if We had sent down an angel, the matter would have been decided; then they would not be reprieved. 6:8

    And if We had made him an angel, We would have made him [appear as] a man, and We would have covered them with that in which they cover themselves. 6:9

    And already were messengers ridiculed before you, but those who mocked them were enveloped by that which they used to ridicule. 6:10

    Say, "Travel through the land; then observe how was the end of the deniers."
    6:11

    Say, "To whom belongs whatever is in the heavens and earth?" Say, "To Allah ." He has decreed upon Himself mercy. He will surely assemble you for the Day of Resurrection, about which there is no doubt. Those who will lose themselves [that Day] do not believe. 6:12

    And to Him belongs that which reposes by night and by day, and He is the Hearing, the Knowing. 6:13

    Say, "Is it other than Allah I should take as a protector, Creator of the heavens and the earth, while it is He who feeds and is not fed?" Say, [O Muhammad], "Indeed, I have been commanded to be the first [among you] who submit [to Allah ] and [was commanded], 'Do not ever be of the polytheists.' "
    6:14

    Say, "Indeed I fear, if I should disobey my Lord, the punishment of a tremendous Day." 6:15

    He from whom it is averted that Day – [ Allah ] has granted him mercy. And that is the clear attainment. 6:16

    April 20, 2012 at 4:40 pm |
    • pastmorm

      Sorry muneef....I think mormonism to Islam is like jumping from the pot into the fire. You're not going to get a lot of converts here....

      April 20, 2012 at 5:16 pm |
    • biologixco

      O Muneef,
      You remind me of Sisyphus
      No matter how hard you push that rock up the hill..
      You make no progress.
      Go post in some Islamic blog instead of cut n paste koran posting here
      Spare us, please

      April 20, 2012 at 11:02 pm |
    • Muneef

      Pastmorm.

      Thanks it is more than enough for me that you have read the post and understood it...I know that my means are not correct for people to convert nor that was my expectation... I rather cut and paste to show what my Holy Book says about things you might have not known of and that's all really.

      Only biolog should understand that with persistence the rock mightbe reached the top of the hill...and that wisdom was learnt from an Ant which was trying to carry a grain that is heavier than it to the top of the hill and after so many tries she was able at last to reach the top of the hill with it's grain... So do not give up and keep on trying... ;)

      April 21, 2012 at 4:24 pm |
    • Muneef

      But when Jesus felt [persistence in] disbelief from them, he said, "Who are my supporters for [the cause of] Allah ?" The disciples said," We are supporters for Allah . We have believed in Allah and testify that we are Muslims [submitting to Him]. 3:52

      Our Lord, we have believed in what You revealed and have followed the messenger Jesus, so register us among the witnesses [to truth]." 3:53

      And the disbelievers planned, but Allah planned. And Allah is the best of planners. 3:54

      [Mention] when Allah said, "O Jesus, indeed I will take you and raise you to Myself and purify you from those who disbelieve and make those who follow you [in submission to Allah alone] superior to those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return, and I will judge between you concerning that in which you used to differ. 3:55

      And as for those who disbelieved, I will punish them with a severe punishment in this world and the Hereafter, and they will have no helpers." 3:56

      But as for those who believed and did righteous deeds, He will give them in full their rewards, and Allah does not like the wrongdoers. 3:57

      This is what We recite to you, [O Muhammad], of [Our] verses and the precise [and wise] message. 3:58
      --

      And [remember] when I inspired to the disciples, "Believe in Me and in My messenger Jesus." They said, "We have believed, so bear witness that indeed we are Muslims [in submission to Allah ]." 5:111

      [And remember] when the disciples said, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, can your Lord send down to us a table [spread with food] from the heaven? [Jesus] said," Fear Allah , if you should be believers." 5:112

      They said, "We wish to eat from it and let our hearts be reassured and know that you have been truthful to us and be among its witnesses." 5:113

      Said Jesus, the son of Mary, "O Allah , our Lord, send down to us a table [spread with food] from the heaven to be for us a festival for the first of us and the last of us and a sign from You. And provide for us, and You are the best of providers." 5:114

      Allah said, "Indeed, I will sent it down to you, but whoever disbelieves afterwards from among you – then indeed will I punish him with a punishment by which I have not punished anyone among the worlds." 5:115
      ----

      O you who have believed, be supporters of Allah , as when Jesus, the son of Mary, said to the disciples, "Who are my supporters for Allah ?" The disciples said, "We are supporters of Allah ." And a faction of the Children of Israel believed and a faction disbelieved. So We supported those who believed against their enemy, and they became dominant. 61:14

      April 21, 2012 at 5:34 pm |
  10. Pika

    It is really scary that the Republican nominee believes this Mormon religious teachings. It frightens me.

    April 20, 2012 at 4:38 pm |
    • biologixco

      I find it scary that the GOP would pick this fat cat loser to run against the Big O

      April 20, 2012 at 11:04 pm |
    • james

      David Nelson.you hit the nail on the head.Normans.will also be.deceived and welcome the anti-Christ as their savior.

      April 21, 2012 at 12:49 am |
    • mrklrsn

      Actually James, I think the Normans were decieved by William the Conqueror who told them that dreary old england was the place to be.

      April 21, 2012 at 1:00 am |
  11. pastmorm

    Brigham Young (the second prophet and leader of the mormon church and founder of SLC) said your own blood must atone for some sins.

    "There is not a man or woman, who violates the covenants made with their God, that will not be required to pay the debt. The blood of Christ will never wipe that out, your own blood must atone for it . . . " (Journal of Discourses, vol. 3, p. 247; see also, vol. 4, p. 53-54, 219-220).

    Brigham Young said you must confess Joseph Smith as a prophet of God in order to be saved.

    "...and he that confesseth not that Jesus has come in the flesh and sent Joseph Smith with the fullness of the Gospel to this generation, is not of God, but is Antichrist," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 9, p. 312).

    Brigham Young said his discourses are as good as Scripture.

    "I say now, when they [his discourses] are copied and approved by me they are as good Scripture as is couched in this Bible . . . " (Journal of Discourses, vol. 13, p. 264; see also p. 95).

    Brigham Young said he had never given any counsel that was wrong.

    "I am here to answer. I shall be on hand to answer when I am called upon, for all the counsel and for all the instruction that I have given to this people. If there is an Elder here, or any member of this Church, called the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, who can bring up the first idea, the first sentence that I have delivered to the people as counsel that is wrong, I really wish they would do it; but they cannot do it, for the simple reason that I have never given counsel that is wrong; this is the reason." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 16, p. 161).

    Brigham Young compared his sermons with scripture.

    "I know just as well what to teach this people and just what to say to them and what to do in order to bring them into the celestial kingdom...I have never yet preached a sermon and sent it out to the children of men, that they may not call Scripture. Let me have the privilege of correcting a sermon, and it is as good Scripture as they deserve. The people have the oracles of God continually." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 13, p. 95).

    Brigham Young said you are damned if you deny polygamy.

    "Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 3, p. 266). Also, "The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 11, p. 269).

    Brigham Young said you can't get to the highest heaven without Joseph Smith's consent.

    "...no man or woman in this dispensation will ever enter into the celestial kingdom of God without the consent of Joseph Smith," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 289).

    Brigham Young boasted.

    "What man or woman on earth, what spirit in the spirit-world can say truthfully that I ever gave a wrong word of counsel, or a word of advice that could not be sanctioned by the heavens? The success which has attended me in my presidency is owing to the blessings and mercy of the Almighty . . . " (Journal of Discourses, vol. 12, p. 127).

    Brigham Young said Jesus' birth was as natural as ours.

    "The birth of the Savior was as natural as the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood–was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 8, p. 115).

    Brigham Young said that God the Father and Mary 'do it.'

    "When the time came that His first-born, the Saviour, should come into the world and take a tabernacle, the Father came Himself and favoured that spirit with a tabernacle instead of letting any other man do it," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, p. 218). "The birth of the Savior was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood - was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 8, p. 115). Note: the late Bruce McConkie who was a member of the First Council of the Seventy stated "There is nothing figurative about his paternity; he was begotten, conceived and born in the normal and natural course of events..." (Mormon Doctrine, by Bruce McConkie, p. 742).

    Brigham Young said that Jesus was not begotten by the Holy Spirit.

    "I have given you a few leading items upon this subject, but a great deal more remains to be told. Now, remember from this time forth, and for ever, that Jesus Christ was not begotten by the Holy Ghost." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, p. 51).

    Brigham Young taught that Adam was God.

    "Now hear it, O inhabitants of the earth, Jew and Gentile, Saint and sinner! When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He is Michael, the Archangel, the Ancient of Days! about whom holy men have written and spoken - He is our Father, and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do. Every man upon the earth, professing Christians or non professing, must hear it, and will know it sooner or later." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, p. 50).

    Brigham Young made a false prophecy?

    "In the days of Joseph [Smith] it was considered a great privilege to be permitted to speak to a member of Congress, but twenty-six years will not pass away before the Elders of this Church will be as much thought of as the kings on their thrones," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, p. 40).

    April 20, 2012 at 4:20 pm |
    • james

      Very good informative information and right from their on so called scriptures.You did your homework.Everyone needs to know this.Thousands are being deceived

      April 21, 2012 at 12:55 am |
    • heguido

      Taking statements out of context, and placing "convenient" descriptions of what you are about to read. let me tell you, that's not new... at all. It exists since the very dawn of bigotry.
      It's a technic they even used against Christ himself. Do you remember? About the temple and the three days? Out of context quoting... our old friend. "Crucify him" came next.
      Doing that you could take a quantic physics lecture and conclude that the professor belongs to the KKK.
      Very useful technic for bigots, let me say.
      Brigham Young taught thousends of discourses... Somehow you always, for more than a century, quote those very same, I insist, out of context parts.
      Do you want to know what today Prophets and Apostles teach? Go to http://www.lds.org/general-conference/sessions/2012/4?lang=eng Listen to them, and decide for your self if it is the Word of God or not. He called Prophets and Apostles today, just like He did in the days of old with Abraham, Moses, Peter, Paul... Isn't it great news?
      No matter how loud you gnash yor teeth, mormonism is awesome!

      April 21, 2012 at 10:26 am |
    • pastmorm

      I'm not gnashing my teeth or renting my clothes (as you mormons like to say for people in outer darkness) by posting the truth of BY's own words. Are you actually comparing the crucifixion of Christ to how your church is being exposed? Or even comparing the crucifixion to how you are being proven wrong?
      Wow, I knew you guys thought you're gods in the making, but man, ya gotta wait till you pass from this life. Megalomaniac!

      April 22, 2012 at 4:36 pm |
  12. kolobian mormon believer

    i fell in to a burnin lake of fire
    i went down down down
    and the flames got higher
    and it burned burned burned
    the lake of fire
    the lake of fire

    April 20, 2012 at 2:11 pm |
  13. Kris LV

    In response to David Nelson's post. I have been an active member my entire life. Went on a mission and taught of the church's teachings in Mexico. I have never even heard of the "White Throne Judgment" as you call it. We believe that we all will be judged, Mormon and non-Mormons alike, based on our actions here on earth. I'm sorry if I am completely wrong, but don't most religions believe we are accountable for our actions in this life. It's funny that all these so called "mormon experts" like David bring up things that I have never heard of before and say they are my beliefs. (trust me, I am very informed at to what I believe and what the church teaches.)

    April 20, 2012 at 1:53 pm |
    • biologixco

      Mormons conveniently "forget" or "have never heard" about ideas such as the White Throne Judgement.
      But such a response is pure nonsense.
      Mormons are well versed in the eschatology of their doctrine.
      They always want to shy away from topics that clearly demonstrate their doctrine's differences with mainstream Christianity

      April 20, 2012 at 2:04 pm |
    • heguido

      I agree with you. Sometimes it becomes a little seriocomic...
      For instance, yesterday there was this guy who had a "clever statement" he wanted to use so bad. Unluckily for him, it didn't fit our beliefs, so he finally had to state "Mormons believe that..." and then he used his statement.
      He was exultant afterwards.

      April 20, 2012 at 2:22 pm |
    • pastmorm

      This is a clever way of seeing and understanding what Mormons really believe.

      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HSlbuli7HM&w=640&h=390]

      April 20, 2012 at 4:25 pm |
    • skytag

      biologixco: Don't insinuate people are lying when they say they've never heard of something. Something isn't true just because you want to believe it.

      April 20, 2012 at 5:30 pm |
    • james

      Another reason to doubt mormanism-They do not teach from the Holy Scriptures-the Bible.You do not study the Word or you would know the great throne judgement is found in the final book of the Bible-Revelation.

      April 21, 2012 at 1:04 am |
  14. biologixco

    Eschew obfuscation
    Espouse elucidation

    April 20, 2012 at 1:47 pm |
  15. David Nelson

    Jospeh Smith in his famous King Follett Sermnon said "The Righteous to Dwell in Everlasting Burnings." I got the line straight from lds.org so there should be no complaining that I am not using Mormon sources.. Anyone who knows the bible suspects Smith must have been enchanted by Satan because the Lake of Fire is prepared for Satan and his angels. It is horrible to think so many people followed such a deceived man. When Mormons fall away from the faith they inevitably told they need to regain their testimony of Joseph Smith. When they really need a tesimony of Jesus Christ. It's heartbreaking.

    April 20, 2012 at 1:35 pm |
    • heguido

      Are you judging the whole sermon by one out-of-context phrase?

      April 20, 2012 at 1:39 pm |
    • heguido

      Prophet Elijah was taken by a "Chariot of Fire"... Does it mean he went to "h*ll"?
      Jehova's presence in the tabernacle was indicated by a column of... ?
      Fire does not always represent Satan. The Bible is full of examples of the use of "fire" to represent the Glory of God. That was what Joseph Smith was talking about.
      Anyway, is good to know that you are quoting from http://www.lds.org now. Hope to see you there often.

      April 20, 2012 at 1:50 pm |
    • David Nelson

      That is what lds.org said, not me. The righteous to well in everlasting burnings is what they said.

      April 20, 2012 at 1:59 pm |
    • heguido

      Remember the burning bush... Who was in there?
      Do I have to go on?

      April 20, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
    • David Nelson

      Jesus said to the Pharisees that He was. He was also in the fire with Shadrach, Meshack and Abednigo. God's throne is shone to be associated with fire. That does not mean men will ascend to godhood as Mormonism says. No where in the bible does it say that God lives in Everlasting Burnings. Isaiah 66 shows us the new heaven and new earth. Nowhere does it mention everlasting burnings! Another one of the many changes the Mormon system has grafted onto the bible. Mormonism is so contradictory to the bible that there is no way the biblical christianity are the same thing. Mormonism changes so much. The Book of Revelation's warns that if men change God's phophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, out of the Holy city, (by the way, where does it say that the Holy City is full of everlasting burnings?) and from the things that are written in this book. Mormonism constantly changes the bible. I feel sorry for you.

      April 20, 2012 at 3:03 pm |
    • skytag

      Quoting one line out of context proves nothing. As for saying people need to regain their testimony of Joseph Smith, they don't mean instead of a testimony of Jesus Christ, but in addition to it. Judging from your comments you suffer from some misconceptions about Mormons.

      I any case, my take on all this is that you have your myths about a fictional being and they have theirs. Good luck proving to me that yours are any more correct than theirs.

      April 20, 2012 at 5:02 pm |
  16. David Nelson

    The argument some give is essentially this: Since people don't like us therefore what we say must be true. Every stupid cult the world over could say exactly the same thing. Think of all the MILLIONS of protestant Christians who were martyred by the Vatican in the Dark Ages. People who died for the right to read the bible! And Joseph Smith gets thrown in jail for destroying a printing press of people writing things to expose him. The paper was exposing the polygamy practiced by Mormon leaders in Illinois, Smith LIED ABOUT IT! Smith was dead set against the truth and the freedom of the press. He was one of the great scoundrels of modern times. Such con men often meet a fate such as Smith's. Before Smith was shot he cried out "Is There No Help For The Widow's Son?" This was a masonic distress signal. Smith and Brigham Young were admitted masons. They used the name of Christ to further their own interests.

    April 20, 2012 at 1:23 pm |
    • Edgardo

      And think also of all the Catholics killed by Protestants in the Dark Ages, as you call them.

      April 20, 2012 at 2:12 pm |
    • skytag

      If Mormonism is false, why don't you trust God to reveal that to people? Do you believe people can be deceived to the point God can't reach them with the truth? If so, how do you know it is you who is not deceived?

      April 20, 2012 at 5:08 pm |
  17. ?

    Again. For the millionth time. I don't vote. Could care less. Stop hiding behind that and engage. Knowing what you know about Joseph Smith, the treasure seeking, the bank failures, being run out of towns for committing fraud, etc. How can you possibly think this guy was a prophet? Numerous Biblical scholars have discounted the writings. DNA sampling has completely debunked the notion of Middle eastern tribes in America. Response please.

    April 20, 2012 at 12:14 pm |
    • heguido

      Did you read the Book of Mormon? Did you pray to God, with a sincere heart, and asked Him if it is His Word?
      I did.
      "Could care less" about what the enemies of Joseph Smith wrote, write, and will write about him. He was a prophet of God. That humble farm boy was chosen by God to restore the Plenitude of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, in this, the Latter-day.
      And I would lie before God if I would say otherwise.
      BTW: "sincere heart" means that you will follow His answer, no matter what. Are you willing to do it? Is not easy, I must warn. You get a lot of insults. But it certainly worth it!

      April 20, 2012 at 12:30 pm |
    • ?

      Wow. These are not things written by enemies. The man was jailed for committing fraud on numerous occasions. Not for anything religious. He defrauded people by claiming to be able to find buried treasure. But you know that. You are seriously deluded. Get some help.

      April 20, 2012 at 12:37 pm |
    • heguido

      "The man was jailed for committing fraud on numerous occasions"
      Really? Was he convicted? How many years did he get? Do you have the transcripts?
      Joseph Smith has been accused many times, of many things, by his enemies, mostly ex-members excommunicated form the early church for ad ultery, embezzlement, and other "beauties" of that kind.
      Joseph Smith was never found guilty of any breaking of the law.
      Finally, he was cowardly murdered, along with his brother, by a mob.
      The "mormons", meanwhile, were being robed, rap ed, and killed by those same people. Their attackers were never judged, nor put in jail. They were persecuted so hard that they had to leave their city, properties, and homes, and where cast into the wild plains. Many more died there, following Jesus Christ, and revering Joseph Smith's name.
      Using your logic, Paul, Peter, and Jesus himself were in jail. So what?
      Please, read a little about what Joseph Smith's friends wrote about him.

      April 20, 2012 at 12:58 pm |
    • biologixco

      If you don't vote you're a fool.
      Get a clue
      This is about more than just fake mormon "religion".
      Its about enjoying the little freedoms we have in America
      Its about politicians stealing that away from us.
      The LDS mormon church has decided to quietly pursue social activism (Prop 8 fight is just one example)
      All the while lying thru their teeth professing their neutrality to America's social issues.
      The mormon "religion" is an issue to Christians, I agree.
      But mormon social activism has the ability to affect 300 million Americans
      We can't let that happen

      April 20, 2012 at 1:37 pm |
    • pastmorm

      ? ..... You're fighting a losing battle. These two guys: heguido and biologixco have been trolling this article for weeks now. They will argue until you finally get sick of their nonsensical rhetoric and leave. You're right in the fact that science HAS proven the book of mormon to be a lie, but these guys won't listen. Just consider them extremely uneducated and move on for your own sake.

      April 20, 2012 at 4:28 pm |
    • pastmorm

      SORRY biologixco I didn't mean to include your name in my post!!!!! You have common sense, I only meant to put heguido in the post because evidently he's unemployed and can do nothing but troll these pages, making mormons look REALLY bad with what he says.

      April 20, 2012 at 4:31 pm |
    • heguido

      Hahaha!
      I guess that talking to trolls for so long finally turned me into one.
      As a matter of fact i'm not unemployed. Participation in this blog helps me practice my english and defend "mormonism".
      Improve my english is a plus for my job... and defend mormonism is pure pleasure.
      BTW, time zones are very convenient for me!!

      April 20, 2012 at 6:57 pm |
  18. ?

    Just do a Wikipedia search about Joseph Smith. Learn how a con man and treasure seeker somehow managed to put America on the brink of electing a cult member.

    April 20, 2012 at 11:33 am |
    • heguido

      I'm sorry, but I can't find Wikipedia on my Bible. Old or New Testament?
      Because what I've learnt here is that if something is not in the Bible it can't be True.

      April 20, 2012 at 11:37 am |
    • ?

      Will you accept my offer to get on the true path? Repent now, and we can start to save the rest of your misguided bretheren.

      April 20, 2012 at 11:53 am |
    • heguido

      Coming from someone who does nothing more than insulting a whole religion pursuing a political agenda...Yes, lead me to the light and the voting booth. I get it, is the one that begins with "O".

      April 20, 2012 at 12:00 pm |
    • biologixco

      See the similarities between Joseph Smith and Mitt Romney?
      Money grubber
      Cheat
      Liar
      Thief

      April 20, 2012 at 1:53 pm |
    • skytag

      From an athiest's perspective all religions are cults so pretty much every president has been a member of a cult. I would submit that your religion is a cult unless you can produce evidence to the contrary.

      April 20, 2012 at 5:14 pm |
  19. heguido

    Oh, yes... it is all written in the "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion"... no, wait. My mistake. Wrong religion.

    April 20, 2012 at 11:20 am |
    • ?

      I am willing to start a fund to pay for your deprogramming. Will you accept it? And I am completely serious.

      April 20, 2012 at 11:35 am |
    • heguido

      Sure, I've always wanted to "escape" mormonism and became a bigot, just like you. But I'm afraid my home teachers will punish me, and bring to my house a double ration of ill-cooked cake. I'm weak!
      This dudes had brainwashed me so bad that they made me believe I have wonderful wife and kids... They made me want to follow Christ! How dare they! Snif... They made me think that I'm happy. That is good to keep God's commandments! That those horrible things do bring happiness to me! Please, release me from all that joy!

      April 20, 2012 at 11:45 am |
  20. biologixco

    American voters need to know about THE WHITE HORSE PROPHESY
    With Electing Mitt Romney (God forbid)
    and Re-electing Harry Reid (God No!)
    Mormons will have co-opted 2 of 3 of our ELECTED BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT!
    Let Mittens add a couple mormon Supreme Court justices,
    ITS A MORMON TAKEOVER OF GOVERNMENT!
    Watch how many mormons will downplay this statement.
    Call it a lie.
    And try to discredit it.
    Obfucation is the name of their game.
    Truth is their enemy!
    Take another look at the White Horse Prophecy.
    Think think...Think about it...

    April 20, 2012 at 10:50 am |
    • David Nelson

      One of the saddest things in Mormonism is that they think the White Throne Judgment is good news where they get their salvation. The White Throne Judgment is judgment on the damned for those not written in the book of life. Satan has them completely turned around. The White throne Judgment is for those NOT written in the Book of Life! It is the second death where those not written in the Book are cast into the Lake of Fire. See Rev 20:11-15. And they are excited about it as if it is good news for them.

      April 20, 2012 at 1:10 pm |
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