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April 12th, 2012
03:11 PM ET

Scholar doubts 'Resurrection' box claim

(CNN)–Rob Cargill doubts an archaeologist actually found early signs of Christianity in the so-called "Jesus Family tomb."

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  1. Nike TN Nike

    When you would be likely to preserve your mysterious away from an opponent, enlighten the item by no means someone.
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    October 21, 2012 at 6:16 am |
  2. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer really changes things*

    April 16, 2012 at 7:56 am |
    • Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

      Prayer changes otherwise intelligent and rational people into believing they can talk to an imaginary super friend.

      April 16, 2012 at 7:57 am |
    • Jesus

      *~Prayer doesn’t not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!

      April 16, 2012 at 8:39 am |
    • jimtanker

      No it doesn't.

      http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_6894/is_1_14/ai_n58571135/

      April 16, 2012 at 10:26 am |
    • Alex Gessong

      Atheism is based on rational thought. Religion is based simply on a willingness to believe in things for which there is no objective evidence. Religion is no more or less rational than believing in fairies or unicorns. Atheism is better and healthier for children and other living things than mindless belief is. By the way, prayer changes nothing. Change requires action. Prayer is an excuse for failure to take action.

      April 16, 2012 at 1:30 pm |
  3. Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

    ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????lol!

    April 15, 2012 at 12:28 pm |
  4. James

    Yahushua

    April 15, 2012 at 5:08 am |
  5. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things*

    April 14, 2012 at 5:07 pm |
    • bismarket

      What utter piffle, prayer achieves NOTHING if it did the world would have no problems. To claim that Atheism is bad for your health is plainly ludicrous, it's blind idolatory to a silly book & It's "Teachings" or to ANY sort of magical thinking that's clearly bad for everyone & the planet (The one put here by God for us to do what we like to/with LOL)!

      April 15, 2012 at 9:38 am |
    • bismarket

      Forgot to mention, Children are born Atheist, they have to "Learn" religion & most babies are born healthy (At least in the west with our SCIENCE) Prayers are said all over the world but only in the west with our good science do children live long & healthy lives. Don't you think your God listens to those people in the world who actually need help.

      April 15, 2012 at 9:46 am |
    • just sayin

      The region of the world where people live the longest is not the west. Second, children are born as a gift from God and come directly from the throne of God, with full knowledge of Him. Life here allows a person to accept God freely and lovingly so that we might return to Him and the eternity of blessings God has prepared for us. Woe to that person that rejects the opportunity or prevents children from becoming the people God intended them to be. God bless

      April 15, 2012 at 1:14 pm |
    • Jesus

      More lies, prayer doesn’t not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!

      April 16, 2012 at 8:39 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      justlyin, the na tion with long est life spa ns is J ap an. How about you check and see just how "religious" a country Ja pan is.

      April 16, 2012 at 1:14 pm |
    • Alex Gessong

      I pray that you will eventually stop leaving the same lame post day after day. Dude, get a life. All of that prayer hasn't made you any wiser.

      April 16, 2012 at 1:32 pm |
  6. VERY TRUE!

    “A little philosophy makes a man an Atheist: a great deal converts him to religion”
    ― David Hume, Dialogues Concerning Natural Religion

    April 14, 2012 at 1:35 pm |
    • Mike

      seems like being born in a christian/muslim/jewish home is enough to convert most people. Noone wonders how convenient it is that they are born in the right religion

      April 18, 2012 at 4:29 pm |
  7. b4bigbang

    Reality raises a good point regarding the ancient cultures and their belief in angels and the supernatural. All of Mankind knew the truth about God, angels and the like. They learned it from the original parents, Adam and Eve. The unbelieving Cain and his descendants twisted the true message into false religions, while Seth and his descendants kept the message pure.
    It is the message according to Adam – Seth, etc. that we have today as the Bible.
    It was handed down orally until Moses, at which time it began to be written down.

    April 13, 2012 at 9:55 pm |
    • Reality

      As per National Geographic's Genographic project:
      https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/

      " DNA studies suggest that all humans today descend from a group of African ancestors who about 60,000 years ago began a remarkable journey. Follow the journey from them to you as written in your genes”.

      "Adam" is the common male ancestor of every living man. He lived in Africa some 60,000 years ago (not 6,000 years ago as per the bible), which means that all humans lived in Africa at least at that time.

      Unlike his Biblical namesake, this Adam was not the only man alive in his era. Rather, he is unique because his descendents are the only ones to survive.

      It is important to note that Adam does not literally represent the first human. He is the coalescence point of all the genetic diversity."

      April 13, 2012 at 11:39 pm |
    • Reality

      origin: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20E1EFE35540C7A8CDDAA0894DA404482 NY Times review and important enough to reiterate.

      New Torah For Modern Minds

      “Abraham, the Jewish patriarch, probably never existed. Nor did Moses. The entire Exodus story as recounted in the Bible probably never occurred. The same is true of the tumbling of the walls of Jericho. And David, far from being the fearless king who built Jerusalem into a mighty capital, was more likely a provincial leader whose reputation was later magnified to provide a rallying point for a fledgling nation.

      Such startling propositions - the product of findings by archaeologists digging in Israel and its environs over the last 25 years - have gained wide acceptance among non-Orthodox rabbis. But there has been no attempt to disseminate these ideas or to discuss them with the laity - until now.

      The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, which represents the 1.5 million Conservative Jews in the United States, has just issued a new Torah and commentary, the first for Conservatives in more than 60 years. Called "Etz Hayim" ("Tree of Life" in Hebrew), it offers an interpretation that incorporates the latest findings from archaeology, philology, anthropology and the study of ancient cultures. To the editors who worked on the book, it represents one of the boldest efforts ever to introduce into the religious mainstream a view of the Bible as a human rather than divine doc-ument.

      The notion that the Bible is not literally true "is more or less settled and understood among most Conservative rabbis," observed David Wolpe, a rabbi at Sinai Temple in Los Angeles and a contributor to "Etz Hayim." But some congregants, he said, "may not like the stark airing of it." Last Passover, in a sermon to 2,200 congregants at his synagogue, Rabbi Wolpe frankly said that "virtually every modern archaeologist" agrees "that the way the Bible describes the Exodus is not the way that it happened, if it happened at all." The rabbi offered what he called a "LITANY OF DISILLUSION”' about the narrative, including contradictions, improbabilities, chronological lapses and the absence of corroborating evidence. In fact, he said, archaeologists digging in the Sinai have "found no trace of the tribes of Israel - not one shard of pottery."

      April 13, 2012 at 11:41 pm |
    • Alex Gessong

      @b4bigbang: "the unbelieving Caine"? Check out Genesis again: Caine was NOT "unbelieving." According to Genesis, Caine made an offering to God, and after God rejected Caine's offering, Caine killed Abel out of envy/jealousy. Caine and God had a chat about it afterward. By no means was Caine "unbelieving." If you're going to believe in a religion, at least be sure that you're familiar with the religious text. By the way, you do know it's just a story, right? According to Genesis, there was a talking snake who led humans astray. A talking snake. Seriously. And as a result, all snake were then condemned to crawl on their bellies as punishment for what that talking snake had done. Embrace rational thought: Genesis is just a story. Doesn't mean there is no God, just means that you cannot take Genesis as a literal truth. Don't believe in talking snakes. Else you may as well believe in unicorns and pixies.

      April 16, 2012 at 1:43 pm |
  8. Nii

    Jews believed that the mortal bodies are resurrected to become immortal bodies n not just their spirits. This is what the archaeologist being Jewish meant by could resurrection mean that the mortal body is discarded altogether and the immortal angelic body given the spirit alone.

    April 13, 2012 at 10:51 am |
    • Mike from CT

      "Jews believed that the mortal bodies are resurrected"

      Can you point me to a source that backs up this statement. I always thought it was false. That is why the disciples were caught off guard in the bodily resurrection of Christ

      April 13, 2012 at 12:16 pm |
    • Corey Missoni

      Mike from CT-You may want to go to this site for additional information on http://www.jewfaq.org/olamhaba

      Belief in the eventual resurrection of the dead is a fundamental belief of traditional Judaism. It was a belief that distinguished the Pharisees (intellectual ancestors of Rabbinical Judaism) from the Sadducees. The Sadducees rejected the concept, because it is not explicitly mentioned in the Torah. The Pharisees found the concept implied in certain verses.

      Belief in resurrection of the dead is one of Rambam's 13 Principles of Faith. The second blessing of the Shemoneh Esrei prayer, which is recited three times daily, contains several references to resurrection. (Note: the Reform movement, which apparently rejects this belief, has rewritten the second blessing accordingly).

      The resurrection of the dead will occur in the messianic age, a time referred to in Hebrew as the Olam Ha-Ba, the World to Come, but that term is also used to refer to the spiritual afterlife. When the messiah comes to initiate the perfect world of peace and prosperity, the righteous dead will be brought back to life and given the opportunity to experience the perfected world that their righteousness helped to create. The wicked dead will not be resurrected.

      April 13, 2012 at 12:24 pm |
    • John Herling

      The Pharisees believed in resurrection but the Sadducees did not.

      April 13, 2012 at 12:25 pm |
    • Mike from CT

      "The resurrection of the dead will occur in the messianic age, a time referred to in Hebrew as the Olam Ha-Ba, the World to Come, but that term is also used to refer to the spiritual afterlife. "

      Correct as it pertains to the soul, but I though the OP was referring to bodily resurrection. Which is not covered, as well as I understand it, in Olam Ha-Ba

      April 13, 2012 at 12:33 pm |
    • Future Dead Guy

      Resurrection is an ancient hypothesis embraced by people who can’t deal with their own mortality. When your brain dies, everything you ever experienced dies with it. When your brain dies, you will be just as non-existent as you were before you were conceived. You will be just as non-existent as you were when the solar system formed or when dinosaurs walked the earth. There’s as much evidence to support life after death as there is to support the existence of any god, ZERO. Resurrection, life after death, and the rest of the “hereafter” nonsense is wishful thinking and nothing more. Deal with it.

      April 13, 2012 at 2:00 pm |
    • Mike from CT

      @Future Dead Guy
      But the point is it was not an "ancient hypothesis" the resurrection of Jesus was more obsured to the Jewish tradition then it ever was today. Research history.

      " When your brain dies, you will be just as non-existent as you were before you were conceived. You will be just as non-existent as you were when the solar system formed or when dinosaurs walked the earth. There’s as much evidence to support life after death as there is to support the existence of any god, ZERO."

      As my athetist friends on this board would say, the responsibility falls on you to prove your claim.

      April 13, 2012 at 2:38 pm |
    • Cq

      Mike from CT
      There is no evidence of an eternal soul. Drugs and injury can alter people's personalities. A severely brain-damaged person will not be the same again. Everything points to our personalities being totally locked within our brain tissue. Kill the brain, kill the "soul". Can you you see fault in this reasoning?

      April 13, 2012 at 3:44 pm |
    • EvolvedDNA

      Mike from CT..Mike do you remember life before you were born? you were non existent then, as you will be again...unless you can remember the dinosaurs and the solar systems birth?..

      April 13, 2012 at 7:07 pm |
    • Mike from CT

      EvolvedDNA, do you remember the first 2 years of your life? 4? No? so by your logic you immideatly started life at the age of 5

      Cq, there is great evidence for the soul but a post would be too long, a simple google search will give you some great(and not so great) studies and explainations on the subject. I will let you do your own research.

      April 17, 2012 at 3:37 pm |
  9. Nii

    Jerusalem is not a good place to find Christ's bones. First of all the fish and cross r later Gentile Xtian symbols developed in times of persecution. Second we baptise people for the dead by giving them names of dead Xtian heroes. The Assumption of the Virgin Mary is a Platonic doctrine.

    April 13, 2012 at 10:28 am |
    • Nii

      I do not know why REALITY for instance thinks rescuscitation is resurrection. Lazarus was rescuscitated and so was Dorcas and the Widow's son n Jairus. Christ was resurrected that means His body was an Angel-like Body. It was tangible but not the same. If u don't know this y continually post on it.

      April 13, 2012 at 10:37 am |
    • Nii

      In biblical terms beings are dependent, self-subsistent or Self-existent. The Divine is Self-existent, Angels/Demons are self-subsistent cos if God was not they wudn't be but they are immortal. Man is dependent because God actually grants them life n they are mortal.

      April 13, 2012 at 10:45 am |
    • Reality

      JC's family and friends had it right 2000 years ago ( Mark 3: 21 "And when his friends heard of it, they went out to lay hold on him: for they said, He is beside himself.")

      Said passage is one of the few judged to be authentic by most contemporary NT scholars. e.g. See Professor Ludemann's conclusion in his book, Jesus After 2000 Years, p. 24 and p. 694.

      Actually, Jesus was a bit "touched". After all he thought he spoke to Satan, thought he changed water into wine, thought he raised Lazarus from the dead etc. In today's world, said Jesus would be declared legally insane.

      Or did P, M, M, L and J simply make him into a first century magic-man via their epistles and gospels of semi-fiction? Many contemporary NT experts after thorough analyses of all the scriptures go with the latter magic-man conclusion with J's gospel being mostly fiction.

      Obviously, today's followers of Paul et al's "magic-man" are also a bit on the odd side believing in all the Christian mumbo jumbo about bodies resurrecting, and exorcisms, and miracles, and "magic-man atonement, and infallible, old, European/Utah white men, and 24/7 body/blood sacrifices followed by consumption of said sacrifices. Yummy!!!!

      So why do we really care what a first century CE, illiterate, long-dead, preacher/magic man would do or say?

      Added details about the Lazarus myth can be found in Professor Gerd Ludemann's book, Jesus After 2000 Years, pp. 507-514. (John 11: 1-45)

      And from Professor Bruce Chilton in his book, Rabbi Jesus,

      "Conventionally, scholarship has accorded priority to the first three gospels in historical work on Jesus, putting progressively less credence in works of late date. John's Gospel for example is routinely dismissed as a source......

      From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_John#Authorship

      "Since "the higher criticism" of the 19th century, some historians have largely rejected the gospel of John as a reliable source of information about the historical Jesus.[3][4] "[M]ost commentators regard the work as anonymous,"[5] and date it to 90-100."

      "The authorship has been disputed since at least the second century, with mainstream Christianity believing that the author is John the Apostle, son of Zebedee. Modern experts usually consider the author to be an unknown non-eyewitness, though many apologetic Christian scholars still hold to the conservative Johannine view that ascribes authorship to John the Apostle."

      And from Professor Gerd Ludemann, in his book, Jesus After 2000 Years, p. 416,

      "Anyone looking for the historical Jesus will not find him in the Gospel of John. "

      See also http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/1john.html

      April 13, 2012 at 11:36 am |
    • Mike from CT

      So you believe Mark 3? but not 1-2, 4-15?

      Why because someone 2000 years removed from the event is more accurate then a disciple? Why is that again?
      Oh because one guy says this is the standard I use even though it has been rebuked many many times as "poor scholarship". talk about being a hypocrite.

      But continuing what was it that Jesus actually said in Mark 3 that was so "touched" Can you answer the question
      “How can Satan cast out Satan? 24 If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. 25 And if a house is divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand. 26 And if Satan has risen up against himself and is divided, he cannot stand, but is coming to an end.

      But continuing

      Actually, Jesus was a bit "touched".
      After all he thought he spoke to Satan– why does this qualify as touch?

      thought he changed water into wine,– Jesus never made such a claim, the toastmaster and the wedding guest made the claim

      thought he raised Lazarus from the dead etc - Jesus never made this claim, but his family as recorded in the historical record as "44 The man who had died came out, his hands and feet bound with linen strips, and his face wrapped with a cloth." not in red letter

      In today's world, said Jesus would be declared legally insane. - By what standard?

      What we have to understand is that the accounts you read are not Jesus talking about the big fish that got away on the camping trip with his buddies, but that of an eye witness account from others, so why do you quickly dismiss that. Do we not still use the same method's in our news today?

      April 13, 2012 at 12:28 pm |
    • Cq

      Mike from CT
      Nobody knows exactly what Jesus looked like, right? So, if someone popped up today claiming to be Jesus would most people, including Christians, accept that claim or call him crazy?

      April 13, 2012 at 4:06 pm |
    • Mike from CT

      Great question, luckily for us Christ answered it

      Matthew 24
      23“Then if anyone says to you, ‘Behold, here is the Christ,’ or ‘There He is,’ do not believe him. 24“For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect. 25“Behold, I have told you in advance. 26“So if they say to you, ‘Behold, He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out, or, ‘Behold, He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe them. 27“For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be.

      Matthew 16
      27For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done

      Matthew 25
      31“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. 32Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.

      Revelation 1

      4 ....Grace to you and peace from him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven spirits who are before his throne, 5and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth.

      To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood 6and made us a kingdom, priests to his God and Father, to him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen. 7Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all tribes of the earth will wailc on account of him. Even so. Amen.

      There are other passage that talk about the coming of Christ but point being, no I would not believe man.

      April 13, 2012 at 4:24 pm |
    • Reality

      Thomas Jefferson omitted Revelation along with most of the Biblical canon, from the Jefferson Bible, and wrote that at one time, he "considered it as merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams." [31]

      Martin Luther once "found it an offensive piece of work" and John Calvin "had grave doubts about its value."[32]

      With respect to the historic validity of the other passages, see for example the compilation at http://wiki.faithfutures.org/index.php?ti-tle=Crossan_Inventory, Professor Gerd Ludemann's book, Jesus After 2000 Years and Professor Raymond Brown's book (RCC approved), An Introduction to the New Testament.

      April 13, 2012 at 4:35 pm |
    • Reality

      With respect to the angel passage:

      THE INFAMOUS ANGELIC CONS CONTINUE TO WREAK STUPIDITY UPON THE WORLD

      Joe Smith had his Moroni.

      "Latter-day Saints also believe that Michael the Archangel was Adam (the first man) when he was mortal, and Gabriel lived on the earth as Noah."

      Jehovah Witnesses have their Jesus /Michael the archangel, the first angelic being created by God;

      Mohammed had his Gabriel (this "tin-kerbell" got around).

      Jesus and his family had Michael, Gabriel, and Satan, the latter being a modern day dem-on of the de-mented.

      The Abraham-Moses myths had their Angel of Death and other "no-namers" to do their dirty work or other assorted duties.

      Contemporary biblical and religious scholars have relegated these "pretty wingie thingies" to the myth pile. We should do the same to include deleting all references to them in our religious operating manuals. Doing this will eliminate the prophet/profit/prophecy status of these founders and put them where they belong as simple humans just like the rest of us.

      Some added references to "tink-erbells".

      newadvent.org/cathen/07049c.htm

      "The belief in guardian angels can be traced throughout all antiquity; pagans, like Menander and Plutarch (cf. Euseb., "Praep. Evang.", xii), and Neo-Platonists, like Plotinus, held it. It was also the belief of the Babylonians and As-syrians, as their monuments testify, for a figure of a guardian angel now in the British Museum once decorated an As-syrian palace, and might well serve for a modern representation; while Nabopolassar, father of Nebuchadnezzar the Great, says: "He (Marduk) sent a tutelary deity (cherub) of grace to go at my side; in everything that I did, he made my work to succeed."
      Catholic monks and Dark Age theologians also did their share of hallu-cinating:

      "TUBUAS-A member of the group of angels who were removed from the ranks of officially recognized celestial hierarchy in 745 by a council in Rome under Pope Zachary. He was joined by Uriel, Adimus, Sabaoth, Simiel, and Raguel."

      And tin-ker- bells go way, way back:

      "In Zoroastrianism there are different angel like creatures. For example each person has a guardian angel called Fravashi. They patronize human being and other creatures and also manifest god’s energy. Also, the Amesha Spentas have often been regarded as angels, but they don't convey messages, but are rather emanations of Ahura Mazda ("Wise Lord", God); they appear in an abstract fashion in the religious thought of Zarathustra and then later (during the Achaemenid period of Zoroastrianism) became personalized, associated with an aspect of the divine creation (fire, plants, water...)."

      "The beginnings of the biblical belief in angels must be sought in very early folklore. The gods of the Hitti-tes and Canaanites had their supernatural messengers, and parallels to the Old Testament stories of angels are found in Near Eastern literature. "

      "The 'Magic Papyri' contain many spells to secure just such help and protection of angels. From magic traditions arose the concept of the guardian angel. "

      For added information see the review at:

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel

      April 13, 2012 at 4:38 pm |
    • Mike from CT

      Martin Luther once "found it an offensive piece of work" and John Calvin "had grave doubts about its value."[32]

      Out of context, please provide reference. Your Wikipedia reference is out of date with the current article.

      April 17, 2012 at 3:31 pm |
    • Mike from CT

      Way to not answer these questions

      Actually, Jesus was a bit "touched".
      After all he thought he spoke to Satan– why does this qualify as touch?

      thought he changed water into wine,– Jesus never made such a claim, the toastmaster and the wedding guest made the claim

      thought he raised Lazarus from the dead etc – Jesus never made this claim, but his family as recorded in the historical record as "44 The man who had died came out, his hands and feet bound with linen strips, and his face wrapped with a cloth." not in red letter

      In today's world, said Jesus would be declared legally insane. – By what standard?

      April 17, 2012 at 3:33 pm |
  10. Rational Libertarian

    SAVE ME JEEBUS!!!

    April 13, 2012 at 9:55 am |
  11. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things,

    April 13, 2012 at 6:56 am |
    • Jesus

      Prayer doesn’t not; you are so full of crap and lies. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs! –

      April 13, 2012 at 10:32 am |
    • just sayin

      yes it do. God bless

      April 13, 2012 at 10:49 am |
    • Jesus

      "yes it do."

      More lies and desperation proving my post is correct, continue.

      April 13, 2012 at 10:50 am |
    • Robert Brown

      Trolling, it is a kind of power rush or ego trip to be a troll. Being online is a place that is largely free of perceived consequences... an insecure person can get a sense of power online, without ever having to face someone directly. With the Internet being a world of imagination and fantasy for some, cowardly users can forge an alter ego for themselves, and act out their feelings of anger and inadequacy. It's sad and unfortunate that our advanced communications also brings out the darker side of many people.

      April 13, 2012 at 11:05 am |
  12. doctore0

    Amazing how people can go crazy for Jesus.. Allah or whatever; Folks, religion is obvious scam, tool to control ignoramuses; HELLo.. wake up, it's 2012, not 12

    April 13, 2012 at 4:48 am |
    • sam stone

      agreed. that being said, i got no problem with individual (personal) faith. i do have an issue with top down faith. i think it is toxic

      April 13, 2012 at 8:10 am |
  13. Evil_Atheist

    I'll do you one better – I doubt the whole resurrection, regardless of what box they put him in. Now that's objective intelligence and critical thinking skills at work.

    April 12, 2012 at 9:21 pm |
    • Omar R

      Since y'all by your falling nature discreati the Testimony of God through Jesus Christ, just wait until your life expire, even though God continue to speak to you in order that you surrender to his mercy before it's too late. On that final day, if you did not repent and believe in the gospel, beat your chest and call your self a fool because you did not believe his word. Remember, you can't escape death.

      April 12, 2012 at 11:51 pm |
    • Omar R

      discredit 🙂

      April 12, 2012 at 11:52 pm |
    • sam stone

      Omar: Your empty proxy threats are laughable. Now, boy, get back on your knees like good little slave

      April 13, 2012 at 8:13 am |
    • Doesn't Matter

      @sam stone

      sam you said, "Omar: Your empty proxy threats are laughable. Now, boy, get back on your knees like good little slave"

      Now obviously you are not here to have a conversation but only to attempt to anger people, but I thought I would respond to you anyway...There is something you should consider: we are all of us slaves, whether we are slaves to God or slaves to our own desires or "sin" if you prefer...then that makes you a slave to the devil or satan if you prefer...whether you believe or not does not change the fact that as I said we are ALL slaves, but we all need to decide whom we will be slaves to...as for me I will be a slave to good rather than evil...you however need to make up your own mind whom you will serve.

      April 13, 2012 at 11:22 am |
  14. Faithful

    I am so glad that my Redeemer lives!! Jesus Christ lives. His body is no where to be found. For all those who think that Christianity is wrong and not the truth. I encourage you to pick up the Bible and read it. It is the truth.

    April 12, 2012 at 6:59 pm |
    • Chad

      well said

      April 12, 2012 at 10:26 pm |
    • TR6

      There is no evidence that your “redeemer lives”. In fact there is no evidence that your god even exists

      April 13, 2012 at 2:00 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Yeah, Christ lives.
      Rudolf Steiner maintained that from 1930 onwards, Jesus would grant certain people psychic powers to enable them to witness his presence in the “etheric plane”.
      Rudolf Steiner maintained that from 1930 onwards, Jesus would grant certain people psychic powers to enable them to witness his presence in the “etheric plane”.
      He’s also come in the forms of Sun Myung Moon, Emanuel Swedenborg, Baha u llah, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, David Koresh, Hailie Selassie, John Thom, Arnold Potter, William Davies, George roux, Ernest Norman, Krishna Venta, Ahn Sahng-Hong, Jim Jones, Mashall Applewhite, Hulon Mitchell, Wayne Bent, Ariffin Mohammed, Mitsuo Matayoshi, Jose Luis de Jesus Miranda, Inri Cristo, Thomas Provenzano, David Icke, Shoko Asahara, Hogan Fukinaga, Marina Tsvigun and Sergei Troop.

      April 13, 2012 at 8:03 am |
    • Cq

      What you want to say is believe in the Bible first, then read it and believe in it more because people reading it objectively tend to still end up being more than just skeptical. Why just read it? Wouldn't it be more instructive to compare it to other scriptures and the contemporary ancient texts. That way you can see if it stands out or shares a lot in common with them. I have, and I could tell you the answer, but it's probably best that you discover that for yourself, unless you're afraid to challenge your beliefs?

      April 13, 2012 at 8:16 am |
    • sam stone

      Faithful: Which version of Christianity is the truth? Baptists, Pentacostals, Episcopaliansm, Lutherans, Methodists, etc, etc, etc?

      April 13, 2012 at 8:18 am |
    • Faithful

      There is a lot of proof that God does exist.
      "For His invisible attributes, namely, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that are made. So they [Every Human Being] is without excuse." – Romans 1:20
      God has revealed Himself through creation but also through His word the Bible. The Bible is truth whether we recgonize it or not.
      God also has revealed Himself through His Son Jesus Christ.
      I encourage you to read the Bible. God's Word will never return void... and that is a promise!

      April 13, 2012 at 4:16 pm |
  15. Hypatia

    Trying to 'prove' this is as useless as arguing which religion is 'right'. There will never be an answer. Those who believe in the resurrection will continue to believe. Those who don't, won't. Arguing semantics, probabilities, statistics, etc. will not make any difference at all.

    April 12, 2012 at 4:10 pm |
    • Levi Called Biff (Jesus's best friend)

      You're so right, it's useless to pursue knowledge and truth because it only counts if others believe you right?

      April 12, 2012 at 4:13 pm |
    • Cq

      If people are photoshopping images that just aren't there would that be right? Do the ends justify the means. or would Jesus appreciate people lying for him?

      April 13, 2012 at 8:24 am |
  16. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    April 12, 2012 at 3:48 pm |
    • Jesus

      Prayer doesn’t not change anything; you are so full of crap and lies. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!

      April 12, 2012 at 3:48 pm |
    • J.W

      I pray that Jesus will respond to this post ever time with the same post every time. My prayers keep working. It is amazing.

      April 12, 2012 at 3:50 pm |
    • Jesus

      "I pray that Jesus will respond to this post ever time with the same post every time. My prayers keep working. It is amazing."

      Lies on top of more lies, got to love the desperation.

      April 12, 2012 at 3:51 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "I pray that Jesus will respond to this post ever time with the same post every time. My prayers keep working. It is amazing."

      Actually the poster Jesus hasn't respond with exactly the same post every time, so your prayers were not answered.

      April 12, 2012 at 3:52 pm |
    • Levi Called Biff (Jesus's best friend)

      I prayed you would say that Jesus

      The power of christ compels you!

      April 12, 2012 at 3:52 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "I prayed you would say that Jesus

      The power of christ compels you!"

      Actually the poster Jesus didn't say that the experts proved prayer was useless. So you're proving the poster Jesus is right.

      April 12, 2012 at 3:56 pm |
    • Levi Called Biff (Jesus's best friend)

      Or maybe you're proving god right because I keep praying for you to say stuff like this (full disclosure, in this case, when I say God, I clearly mean Ra)

      April 12, 2012 at 4:01 pm |
    • Hypatia

      Yikes, will you please cease and desist?

      April 12, 2012 at 4:06 pm |
    • J.W

      It still the same post basically, maybe a couple words or so may be different, but he just can't help himself he just has to respond.

      April 12, 2012 at 4:45 pm |
    • Leo

      People read in the Bible that God will deliver us anything we ask for in a heartfelt prayer. This view of prayer is a childish and man-centered way of thinking. God is not a gumball machine: we cannot just pop in a quarter (prayer), turn a crank, and receive a gumball (the answer). There are a few prerequisites.

      Marshall Brain’s website asks us to pray the following prayer:

      Dear God, almighty, all-powerful, all-loving creator of the universe, we pray to you to cure every case of cancer on this planet tonight. We pray in faith, knowing you will bless us as you describe in Matthew 7:7, Matthew 17:20, Matthew 21:21, Mark 11:24, John 14:12-14, Matthew 18:19 and James 5:15-16. In Jesus’ name we pray, Amen.

      There are a few things that must be noted about prayer before continuing with this discussion that our friends at this website have neglected to factor into their test.

      First, there is an obedience component. Look at Job 22:27: “You will pray to Him, He will hear you, and you will fulfill your vows.” Or “Delight yourself in the Lord and He will give you the desires of your heart” (Ps 37:4). What about Psalm 66:18? It says, “If I had cherished sin in my heart, the Lord would not have listened.” Consider Proverbs 28:9: “If anyone turns a deaf ear to the law, even his prayers are detestable.” Proverbs 15:8 and 15:29 say that “The Lord detests the sacrifice of the wicked, but the prayer of the upright pleases Him” and “The Lord is far from the wicked but hears the prayers of the righteous.”

      http://weknowgodisreal.wordpress.com/2007/12/13/proof-1-try-praying/

      April 12, 2012 at 6:27 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Oh, please, enough with the bullish!t, Leo. There is no proof that your imaginary playmate answers prayers of the righteous, the faithful, the good, or anyone else. None. In fact, there's plenty of proof that prayer accomplishes nothing.

      April 12, 2012 at 6:34 pm |
    • nope

      @Tom,Tom the Pipers Son
      nope

      April 12, 2012 at 6:36 pm |
    • another repentant sinner

      Prayer changed my life !

      April 12, 2012 at 6:37 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      @nope: great rebuttal.

      April 12, 2012 at 6:47 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      For a cretin.

      April 12, 2012 at 6:48 pm |
    • nope

      nope

      April 12, 2012 at 6:49 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "It still the same post basically, maybe a couple words or so may be different, but he just can't help himself he just has to respond."

      It's funny how you're not attacking the original troll who starts this stupidity every time, oh that's right it supports what you believe. Typical.

      April 12, 2012 at 6:56 pm |
    • Leo

      Tom I am sure God has never answered any of your prayers... one you have no faith, and two check out the other points.

      I have seen prayers answered in my life and I have seen my life change from a hopeless soul like yourself to a life that has been most blessed.

      Tell me does cursing and bad mouthing others make you feel better about yourself?

      I am sorry, but it says alot ... I feel your pain, but there is hope!!

      April 12, 2012 at 7:02 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I've seen prayers of the faithful and good go unheard and unanswered, you moron. I don't give two craps about what YOU claim to have "seen", because you're a complete dumbazz who can't put three words together without fucking them up.

      April 12, 2012 at 7:17 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Why don't you pray to Jeebus to give you a brain so you can figure out that "alot" is not the same as "a lot", Leo the Limp?

      April 12, 2012 at 7:18 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Why are so many thumpers so uneducated? Every one of you sounds like some hick who never got further than 9th grade, if that. Why would anyone who's able to read and write decently rely on you to interpret the Bible or discuss religious matters? You're hardly able to read the labels on cans of soup.

      April 12, 2012 at 7:28 pm |
    • Leo

      Tom, You seem a little abusive again??? Hang in there... life can't be that bad!

      Seek first the Kingdom of God and his righteousness, THEN all these things shall be added unto you.

      April 12, 2012 at 7:35 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I'll take advice from you when you become a literate being. Until then, I'm smart enough to manage my life without pretending there's some invisible super-hero to whom I must pray.

      Really, dear, get a new line. You're just not selling this one at all.

      April 12, 2012 at 7:38 pm |
    • Leo

      Tom, Like I said I feel your pain.... alot.... its a place in Israel on the red sea!!

      April 12, 2012 at 7:48 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I feel your pain, too. In my wallet. Azzholes and morons like you are a drain on the economy and contribute to the failure of our schools.

      April 12, 2012 at 7:50 pm |
    • Leo

      Tom, Lets share LinkedIn ID's and see who has been more successful in life!! God has given me more blessings than I deserve.

      You know they say beauty is only skin deep, but ugly goes all the way to the bone.

      April 12, 2012 at 8:01 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      If you think for a nanosecond that I'd correspond with an idiot like you, you're even more brain-dead than I imagined.

      April 12, 2012 at 8:03 pm |
    • fred

      Tom tom
      Shame on you for trying to hang a label on a can of soup. Not all soups are alike I just read 5 labels.

      April 12, 2012 at 8:09 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      What a waste of the past 3 hours, ferdie.

      April 12, 2012 at 8:20 pm |
    • fred

      Tom Tom
      I'll have you know it took me less than 2 hours and 45 minutes to read 5 soup labels. You should have warned me about those big words. Some of it looked Greek to me but I believe the labels were intended to read literally.

      April 12, 2012 at 8:36 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      So much for your score on 'fluency' ferdy.

      April 12, 2012 at 9:38 pm |
    • Clark1355

      Haha what a joke! Teaching children to obey a fictional story with the consequence of eternal suffering in hell is child abuse! Everyone please look at the numbers. We are heading toward an existence without religion. And its beautiful!

      April 13, 2012 at 2:08 am |
    • Cq

      Clark1355
      Actually, if you taught children that some monster hidden under their bed would bite them if they were naughty that would likely be child abuse, but threatening that God would punish them for the same thing isn't. How very odd.

      April 13, 2012 at 4:01 pm |
    • NothingBigAboutAtheistBuTheirEgos

      I agree with Leo, Let's all share LinkedIn ID's and spare those armchairs the burden of our weights everytime we face the computer to brag our virtual relevance.

      And I'm also calling on the armchair genius Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son. Why not carry your weights in the real world that we may all see who's the real deal?

      April 16, 2012 at 4:02 pm |
  17. Reality

    ONLY FOR THE NEWCOMERS:

    Saving Christians from the Infamous Resurrection Con (and Jesus box hoaxes)/

    From that famous passage: In 1 Corinthians 15 St. Paul reasoned, "If Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith."

    Even now Catholic/Christian professors of theology are questioning the bodily resurrection of the simple, preacher man aka Jesus.

    To wit;

    From a major Catholic university's theology professor’s grad school white-board notes:

    "Heaven is a Spirit state or spiritual reality of union with God in love, without earthly – earth bound distractions.
    Jesus and Mary's bodies are therefore not in Heaven.

    Most believe that it to mean that the personal spiritual self that survives death is in continuity with the self we were while living on earth as an embodied person.

    Again, the physical Resurrection (meaning a resuscitated corpse returning to life), Ascension (of Jesus' crucified corpse), and Assumption (Mary's corpse) into heaven did not take place.

    The Ascension symbolizes the end of Jesus' earthly ministry and the beginning of the Church.

    Only Luke records it. (Luke mentions it in his gospel and Acts, i.e. a single attestation and therefore historically untenable). The Ascension ties Jesus' mission to Pentecost and missionary activity of Jesus' followers.

    The Assumption has multiple layers of symbolism, some are related to Mary's special role as "Christ bearer" (theotokos). It does not seem fitting that Mary, the body of Jesus' Virgin-Mother (another biblically based symbol found in Luke 1) would be derived by worms upon her death. Mary's assumption also shows God's positive regard, not only for Christ's male body, but also for female bodies." "

    "In three controversial Wednesday Audiences, Pope John Paul II pointed out that the essential characteristic of heaven, hell or purgatory is that they are states of being of a spirit (angel/demon) or human soul, rather than places, as commonly perceived and represented in human language. This language of place is, according to the Pope, inadequate to describe the realities involved, since it is tied to the temporal order in which this world and we exist. In this he is applying the philosophical categories used by the Church in her theology and saying what St. Thomas Aquinas said long before him."
    http://eternal-word.com/library/PAPALDOC/JP2HEAVN.HTM

    The Vatican quickly embellished this story with a lot CYAP.

    With respect to rising from the dead, we also have this account:

    An added note: As per R.B. Stewart in his introduction to the recent book, The Resurrection of Jesus, Crossan and Wright in Dialogue,

    p.4

    "Reimarus (1774-1778) posits that Jesus became sidetracked by embracing a political position, sought to force God's hand and that he died alone deserted by his disciples. What began as a call for repentance ended up as a misguided attempt to usher in the earthly political kingdom of God. After Jesus' failure and death, his disciples stole his body and declared his resurrection in order to maintain their financial security and ensure themselves some standing."

    p.168. by Ted Peters:

    Even so, asking historical questions is our responsibility. Did Jesus really rise from the tomb? Is it necessary to have been raised from the tomb and to appear to his disciples in order to explain the rise of early church and the transcription of the bible? Crossan answers no, Wright answers, yes. "

    So where are the bones"? As per Professor Crossan's analyses in his many books, the body of Jesus would have ended up in the mass graves of the crucified, eaten by wild dogs, covered with lime in a shallow grave, or under a pile of stones.

    April 12, 2012 at 3:47 pm |
    • Reality needs to get in touch with

      REALITY!

      April 12, 2012 at 3:52 pm |
    • Reality

      For those who are "reading challenged":

      SAVING 2 BILLION LOST CHRISTIANS:

      THERE WERE NEVER ANY BODILY RESURRECTIONS AND THERE WILL NEVER BE ANY BODILY RESURRECTIONS I.E. NO EASTER, NO CHRISTIANITY.

      April 12, 2012 at 3:56 pm |
    • reality the REALITY is

      JESUS CHRIST IS THE RISEN LORD AND SAVIOR!

      April 12, 2012 at 4:02 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "JESUS CHRIST IS THE RISEN LORD AND SAVIOR! "

      NO Mithra is the risen god and savior!

      April 12, 2012 at 4:04 pm |
    • lets count the followers of mithra

      counted one above. Next?

      April 12, 2012 at 4:07 pm |
    • Snow

      Every living thing is counted as a follower of mithra.. For, without his (umm or her) touch, there can not be a life. The sheer fact that life exists means mithra exists and posses his touch and unconditional love. Otherwise you wouldn't be alive

      April 12, 2012 at 4:16 pm |
    • just sayin

      I do have a lot of names like "reality the REALITY is" because it fools all of you into thinking that there are so many people that agree with me when nobody actually does. Even the people at my church stare and whisper and point, and eventually the policeman comes, and just like always, he tazes me when I blather about prayer. He can tell me all about that restraining order all he wants; I just tell him that I prayed to be allowed to return and prayer works and I . . . then I remember that tazers work too, and it's off to the soft room for some huggy-jacket quality time.

      I may not be the sharpest bulb that's a taco short of the elevator going to the top, but Magic Invisible Jesus loves me and hates you and that's all that matters.

      April 12, 2012 at 4:16 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      If the "newcomers" happen to read your posts first, they'll never come back.

      April 12, 2012 at 6:15 pm |
    • just sayin

      Vile fraud (or two) on site. God bless

      April 12, 2012 at 6:17 pm |
    • sam stone

      No! FSM is the savior in all his noodly goodness

      April 13, 2012 at 9:12 am |
  18. Matthew 12:38-45

    Jesus Christ himself said it best!

    April 12, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
    • YeahRight

      LOL! There's no proof he actually said that.

      April 12, 2012 at 3:47 pm |
    • Reality

      But did he? No, he did not as per the findings of many contemporary NT scholars. For example, see http://wiki.faithfutures.org/index.php?ti-tle=122_Request_for_Sign

      April 12, 2012 at 3:54 pm |
    • reality needs to get in touch with REALITY

      but reality if you want to read about Buddha would you open the koran or if you want to read about Mohammed would you open a Zorastrian holy book?

      April 12, 2012 at 4:05 pm |
    • Reality

      Also think about the logic (or lack thereof).

      “I believe the Bible is inspired.” “Why?” “Because it says so.” Would anyone let that logic pass if it came from the followers of any other book or person? “I believe x is inspired because x says so.” Fill in the blanks:

      x=Pat Robertson
      x=the ayatolloah Sistani (sp?)
      x=David Koresh
      x=the Koran”
      more “logic”?

      “I believe there is One God Jehovah because He is revealed in the infallible
      Bible. I believe the Bible is infallible because it is the Word of the One God Jehovah.”

      April 12, 2012 at 11:43 pm |
    • sam stone

      Yeah.....edited translated hearsay is sooo reliable

      April 13, 2012 at 8:20 am |
    • Cq

      Matthew 12:38-45 had Jesus talking about people being possessed by evil spirits, spirits who find other evil spirits to be buddies with, and you find that compelling?

      April 13, 2012 at 8:29 am |
    • Amen

      Jesus Christ is the great I AM. Greater than a Jonah greater than a Solomon. King of Kings and Lord of all mankind.

      Christ the Lord is risen indeed!!!

      April 13, 2012 at 8:44 am |
    • sam stone

      Amen: Christ the Lord is risen, so you being best buds with him will avoid his daddy's temper tantrum?

      April 13, 2012 at 9:11 am |
    • Mike from CT

      Reality, let's play fill in the blank

      Q1. I think ______ is the highest form of truth and authority

      A) Rationalism
      B) Empiricism
      C) Self
      D) Things Proven Scientifically
      E) (fill in something else)

      Q2. Then prove that your answer in Q1 is correct with out using it
      Example
      If you pick A) then you can not use a rational argument to defend rationalism as that would be a circular argument.
      B) can not point to Experience to defend your answer, but your answer depends on experience
      C) now that is just funny
      D) If something is not true unless it is scientifically proven, then first scientifically prove the statement that "something is not true unless it is scientically proven" before we can even continue.

      So in closing yes the Bible, the inspired word of God, is authentic and standard for absolute truth

      April 13, 2012 at 12:42 pm |
    • Reality

      "I think ______ is the highest form of truth and authority ." Those who have the educational backgrounds and have thoroughly studied the subject writing books and thesises on said subject are the highest form of truth and authority. With respect to the historic Jesus, a list of said authorities:

      A sampling is presented at http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html

      :
      Jesus the Myth: Man of the Indefinite Past
      Alvar Ellegård
      G. A. Wells

      Jesus the Hellenistic Hero
      Gregory Riley

      Jesus the Revolutionary
      Robert Eisenman

      Jesus the Wisdom Sage
      John Dominic Crossan
      Robert Funk
      Burton Mack
      Stephen J. Patterson

      Jesus the Man of the Spirit
      Marcus Borg
      Stevan Davies
      Geza Vermes

      Jesus the Prophet of Social Change
      Richard Horsley
      Hyam Maccoby
      Gerd Theissen

      Jesus the Apocalyptic Prophet
      Bart Ehrman
      Paula Fredriksen
      Gerd Lüdemann
      John P. Meier
      E. P. Sanders

      Jesus the Savior
      Luke Timothy Johnson
      Robert H. Stein
      N. T. Wright

      April 13, 2012 at 5:46 pm |
    • Reality

      Oops, make that "theses".

      April 13, 2012 at 5:52 pm |
  19. J.W

    Is this about the one that says "James: Brother of Jesus"?

    April 12, 2012 at 3:39 pm |
    • just sayin

      No, but it involves the same con man that "found" the "james" box. God bless

      April 12, 2012 at 6:23 pm |
    • AGuest9

      James was the more important of the two, anyway. He was the one who founded his brother's church and stole his body, so that the "resurrection" story could be told.

      April 14, 2012 at 8:56 am |
  20. I'm The Best!

    I'm on my phone and I have one sentence for this story. Does anyone know what this is actually about?

    April 12, 2012 at 3:34 pm |
    • I wonder

      I'm The Best,

      That's all we're getting here too (Firefox) - what a blockbuster!

      April 12, 2012 at 3:50 pm |
    • johnfrichardson

      There's an associated video and considerable evidence of archaeological fraud.

      April 12, 2012 at 5:50 pm |
    • TR6

      It’s about another one of god’s anointed, trying to shear the sheeple

      April 13, 2012 at 2:06 am |
    • sam stone

      TR6: God put the sheeple here for a reason.

      April 13, 2012 at 9:13 am |
    • Cq

      TR6
      We say that shepherds "fleece" their flocks, and live off the proceeds until the sheep get too old, or if there is a excess of males. Then the good shepherd slaughters them for their meat. Funny how Christians like being the sheep in this symbolism.

      April 13, 2012 at 3:55 pm |
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