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April 18th, 2012
04:39 AM ET

Belief Blog's Morning Speed Read for Wednesday, April 18

By Laura Koran, CNN

Here's the Belief Blog’s morning rundown of the top faith-angle stories from around the United States and around the world. Click the headlines for the full stories.

From the Blog:

Gay rights activists hold hands in protest in front of the Mormon Temple in Salt Lake City, Utah, in July 2009.

CNN: Gay rights activists see Mormons softening attitudes toward their community
Though the church’s doctrine condemning homosexuality has not changed, and the church remains opposed to same-sex marriage, many say the church is subtly but unmistakably growing friendlier toward the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community, including voicing support for some gay rights.

Tweet of the Day:

From @religionnews: Cannabis dealer Mark Burden had 'religious calling' http://bit.ly/HNQPYb #religion

Enlightening Reads:

The Christian Post: Half of All Americans Believe Bible, Quran, Book of Mormon Hold Same Truths
An in-depth study released by the Barna Group on behalf of the American Bible Society found that 50 percent of Americans believe the Bible, Quran and the Book of Mormon hold different expressions of the same truths.

The Hill: Religious profiling: An unwelcome guest
The Senate Judiciary Committee’s first hearing on racial profiling since 9/11 took place today, in the shadow of teenager Trayvon Martin’s killing and allegations that race played a role in his death and in its investigation. The struggle to eliminate racial bias, not only from policing but also from how Americans view and treat one another, is a longstanding and familiar one. But at today’s hearing, there will be a new and unwelcome guest at the table: religious profiling.

The Salt Lake Tribune: BYU-Hawaii gets first non-Mormon student president
Brigham Young University-Hawaii has its first non-Mormon student body president — and he’s a Muslim. Mustapha El Akkari, the Lebanese-born student who came to the Mormon-owned school three years ago on a full-ride basketball scholarship, takes office this week, according to an article in the Honolulu Star-Advertiser.

The New York Times: Muslims on Wall Street, Bridging Two Traditions
Young Muslims, one of the newest groups to make inroads in American finance, can face steep barriers to entry. Some obstacles are remnants of a less tolerant era. But prominent, too, are the limitations of Islam itself — a faith whose tenets, Muslim workers say, often seem at odds with Wall Street’s sometimes bacchanalian culture.

Quote of the Day:

If you love your neighbor and are compassionate, are you automatically a Christian? Practicing present-moment awareness does not entail joining any religion or accepting any belief system. As a Catholic, I find mindfulness helps me participate in my religion more wholeheartedly.

U.S. Representative Tim Ryan of Ohio told Religion News Service, when asked whether practicing meditation relates to practicing religion. Rep. Ryan’s new book, “A Mindful Nation: How a Simple Practice Can Help Us Reduce Stress, Improve Performance, and Recapture the American Spirit,” promotes mindful meditation.

Join the conversation…

Though he's not Catholic, Andrew Domini walked for two days to reach a Catholic shrine in Indiana.

CNN: Unlikely spiritual pilgrim walks 70 miles from frat house to shrine
Andrew Domini had walked nearly 70 miles, becoming an unlikely spiritual pilgrim. But the religious shrine wasn’t in Rome, Jerusalem or some other officially holy city. It was in St. Mary-of-the-Woods, Indiana.

- CNN's Laura Koran

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  1. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer really changes things

    April 19, 2012 at 8:06 am |
    • Jesus

      Prayer doesn’t not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!.!*!

      April 19, 2012 at 10:44 am |
  2. Pipe-Dreamer

    Seek ye the mind's eye! Find ye then the eye's mind! Once there, stay a while! Bleeding hearts do throb for heavily weighted undulations of ever to inwardly revolve with not much whimpered bitterness and they will even and always proclaim them not their deadenedness sarcasms. Search your vents of one's vintage-aged rationale! Hunt down the lying shames and rid one's self of zealotism! Corner ye the markets before others have their will to blindingly stake a claim via their shallowed integrations! Ride high amidst the banyon tree's branches! Ever careful and ever mindful and ever conceited ye be while ever in denial are the unbelievers' eyeing minds!
    April 16, 2012 at 9:50 am
    Even the disbelievers have honor and creedences and they so much do abound in their rather rancid indivisiblities! They clamour about with much regularisms upon the backs of the religiously rational and even still, the unwaiverable commodities proclaim the yet unleavened in their bread-baskets of Blemished Faith! Those who dare challenge the otherly will never ever right that which is in Self wronged and of faithlessness! To do so does one to only vent their own bitternedness and is never ever truly worth one's efforts! Therefore, die, ever to try, while never knowing why, yet always buy in the good bye!
    April 16, 2012 at 10:16 am
    Clarity in truth's "Visionarialisms" are a clairvoyent's visionary's only mechanisms' of needfulness! To Be and to not be are the determinations of one's indelibilities! Though the mind is weak their hearts are strong! Give therefore their jsuted fruits and may God show mercies and kindness upon the Allness with no specialities recognized nor claimed! God is like that does one not know?
    April 16, 2012 at 10:59 am
    YeahRight wrote, "Nah, we have more intellect than you have and don’t need to make up bogus words so that our ego can feel justified in its own stupidity. People like you have to come up with lies of bitterness so that you don’t have to look yourself in the mirror and acknowledge your delusional state."
    April 16, 2012 at 10:56 am
    Even the "boogeymen" makes up their ownliness vocals and "vocabularianalisms"! No one person nor any social organisms have cornered the markets on words or words' phraseologies! You (YeahRight) are as a disgruntled amulet of despocisms' rather perturbing mundaness but regularly are you to be appeased for your charming witticisms! Tally Ho!
    April 16, 2012 at 11:10 am
    Justified are the delusionalists in their crooning "ventaged" soothsayings against the eye minded rather than the eyes' minds! Commonalities venture forth and are righted "forthward" always in the lights lime-of-bittered sweetness from the peanuts' galleries of nutiness! The declarings of selfish & decidedly fruitiness of clamoured ventrilquists who amke mockeries their daily ambitions are of the fools' fooleries of fool-heartiness! Mock ye then God and God will not be moved! Spit upon God and God will never sway! Challenge your God and He will not bet! Let God Let Go of God's Will for Christ's sakes!
    April 16, 2012 at 11:26 am
    Disgruntledness becoming the unrighteousness renditionings of verboseness and in rancidities' lamentations do the dogs waggle and waddle upon dribblings of their ownliness fruits! Tiz a shame really it is! Anguish that is,,,, mixed with the beings of disgruntalisms makes the heart bitter and as such does age, the tempests' tea pots will most enduringly boil over until it is either moved off the burner or it remains there to be boiled down to where there is no more issues left to boil upon leaving the tea pot dry to the bones!
    April 16, 2012 at 11:44 am

    April 18, 2012 at 5:05 pm |
    • Jabberwocky

      Jabberwocky:
      "Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
      Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
      All mimsy were the borogoves,
      And the mome raths outgrabe."

      Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
      The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
      Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
      The frumious Bandersna'tch!"

      He took his vorpal sword in hand:
      Long time the manxome foe he sought—
      So rested he by the Tumtum tree,
      And stood awhile in thought.

      And as in uffish thought he stood,
      The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame,
      Came whiffling through the tulgey wood,
      And burbled as it came!

      One, two! One, two! and through and through
      The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
      He left it dead, and with its head
      He went galumphing back.

      "And hast thou slain the Jabberwock?
      Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
      O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!"
      He chortled in his joy."

      Alice:
      "It seems very pretty,' she said when she had finished it, 'but it's rather hard to understand!' (You see she didn't like to confess, even to herself, that she couldn't make it out at all.) 'Somehow it seems to fill my head with ideas—only I don't exactly know what they are!"

      April 18, 2012 at 5:29 pm |
    • Pipe-Dreamer

      Jabberwocky,,,,,, ,,,, ,, ,.

      The treasures' jovial are in memorandums dumbations downplayed while ever looking into the most inward' insidedness' sakes! Keeping ever clearly the roads less traveled are a mainstreamers' designations yet not without impediments contriteness! Beating one' tally whacker to submissions of pleasure is for only one's right to so do! Leave the leavened to the unleavening chargers and ever do constrain one's self in matters of aptness sakedness' trustings! Be Gone and Bewildered into the spatial debonairs of all spaces in many places where nothingness ever keeps matter at distanced odds to better even out the fields aplentied! Go now and always remember what peace there is in finding a piece there from!

      April 18, 2012 at 5:57 pm |
  3. Trancend

    Accept Jesus christ as your lord and saviour. You never know how soon is too late. Trancend the worldly illusion of enslavement.
    The world denounces truth....

    Accepting Jesus Christ will result in something like seeng a new colour. You will see it .....but will not be able to clearly explain it to anyone else..... Its meant to be that way to transend any selfism within you.

    Currently.... your constructing your own path that suits your sin lifestyle.

    Look closely at the economy ponzi, look at how society idolizes Lust , greed , envy, sloth, pride of life, desire for knowledge, desire for power, desire for revencge,gluttony with food etc .

    Trancend the temporal world.

    Just think if you can find a truth you can take with you in any of these things. When you die your riches go to someone who will spend away your life. You will be forgotten.... history will repeat iteslf, the greatest minds knowledge fate or are eventually plagerzed, your good deeds are forgotten and only give you a fleeting temporary reward . your learned teachings are forgotten or mutated, your gold is transfered back to the rullers that rule you through deception. Your grave will grow over .
    Trancend your egoism and free yourself from this dominion of satan. Relise your a sinner and part of the collective problem of this worldly matrix... Repent....

    Evidence follows faith. Faith does not follow evidence..... Faith above reason in Jesus Christ.

    Read Ecclesiastes. Read corinthians.

    You cant trancend your own egoism by adapting a world philosophy to suit your needs. Seek the truth.

    Sell your cleverness and purchase bewilderment. You don't get what you want you get what you are in christ.

    I promise this has been the truth for me. In Jesus christ .

    Think of what you really have to lose. ...your ego?

    Down is up. Break the Matrix of illusion that holds your senses captive.

    once you do . you too will have the wisdom of God that comes only through the Holy Spirit. Saved By grace through Faith. Just like seeing a new colour.... can't explain it to a transient caught in the matrix of worldly deception.

    Your all smart people . I tell the truth. Its hard to think out of the box when earthly thinking is the box.

    April 18, 2012 at 1:07 pm |
    • Maynard G. Krebs

      Christians are getting crazier

      April 18, 2012 at 2:38 pm |
    • Pipe-Dreamer

      Such are the words coming from a weakened intellect and even weaker heart in that you are but re-living in others' words and without too much of one's ownliness wordages being interwoven in mid-streams! Still your will is of goodness skaes and that in itself is noteworthy! Let Go of Godliness and Let God alone for Christ's sake!

      April 18, 2012 at 5:23 pm |
    • Transcend

      I trust the word of God as the infallable repository of redemptive revelation. Im not trying to Judge anyone.... For myself ...reading the word combined with sincere prayer.... yeilded an unmistakable presence within me of the Holy Spirit. Ive led quite a life of questioning and pushing boundrys... Ive had lots of man made "experiences"... this was different..... Way different....
      I know it's not popular... and some would say fairy tales etc. I've heard it all.... and was once on the other side.( For ME)... It's like seeing a new colour. Cant explain it to anyone else.... and thats the way its meant to be... so that you have the free will to decide to trust Jesus Christ as your saviour. I will say that afterward...the scriptures made sence to me . After God enabled me to Itranscend my own egoistic ordering of the "unknown dark matter" that surrounds us all. . read what I wrote (Trancend) and feel what Im saying without an ego defense.
      Why would someone take such a position unless they were truly changed by Christ. .......All I can say is...Its real.buddy.
      Let go and let god.
      I will not comment again.

      April 19, 2012 at 2:47 pm |
  4. Rainer Braendlein

    God wants the restoration of the sinner to piety, but not his death!

    @jimtanker

    You make a mistake. We can imply that the peoples, which should be wiped out by Israel, had been admonished many times until God gave the command to destroy them. They were utterly corrupted, when God finally delivered them.

    Also we can imply that single persons within the people of Israel, which did not want to repent from gayness, were admonished many times, before they got stoned to death. Certaily, everything was done with patience to lead back the sinner to piety, before he was judged.

    Today a (baptized) sinner inside the Church, which doens't want to repent, gets excluded from the Church. Outside the Church he will be harmed by Satan and his servants, which can peak in the destruction of the body.

    You may realize that the true Israel of today is the Christian Church (Israel of believers). The Christian Church doesn't stone the penetrating sinners, but excludes them, after a long time of kind admonition. Everybody wants the restoration of the sinner and not his death.

    April 18, 2012 at 11:41 am |
    • jimtanker

      If you believe your fairy tales this may be true. I dont believe that stuff. There is NO evidence that there is a devil dude going around doing demonic things. It just doesnt exist.

      You can try to rationalize away whatever you want but you are still a delusional person who believes in things that aren't there.

      April 18, 2012 at 11:54 am |
    • Maynard G. Krebs

      Crazier and crazier

      April 18, 2012 at 2:42 pm |
    • Pipe-Dreamer

      jimtanker wrote, "You can try to rationalize away whatever you want but you are still a delusional person who believes in things that aren't there."

      Denying others" Faiths is an oxymoron since your faith is out of your boxing in of selfish rhetoricisms! Let Go God damn it and let God the hell alone for Christ's sake!!!!!!

      April 18, 2012 at 5:14 pm |
  5. J.W

    What does it take for someone to be a "true Chistian." If I profess Jesus as my Savior, and I am a nice person, give to charity, and volunteer work, are there things that I do that may make me not a true Christian?

    April 18, 2012 at 10:12 am |
    • Robert Brown

      You are either a Christian or not. Ephesians 2:8-9, For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. The behavior of a Christian has more to do with whether they are letting the Holy Spirit lead them or they are yielding to the flesh. Even the best, or a “True Christian” as you put it, will make mistakes and sin in thought or deed. No Christian is perfect.

      April 18, 2012 at 10:51 am |
    • lunchbreaker

      That particular question might explain why there are so many denominations. But the definition of a Christian accordinc to webster is :

      a : one who professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ
      b (1) : disciple 2 (2) : a member of one of the Churches of Christ separating from the Disciples of Christ in 1906 (3) : a member of the Christian denomination having part in the union of the United Church of Christ concluded in 1961

      According to that definition you only have to "profess" to be a Christian. No reference as to any other actions to be performed. But that's man's defininition. If we assume Christianity is the 1 correct religion, then the only 2 sources for info we have would be the Bible and divine inspiration. So unless God talks to you directly you would need to read the teachings Jesus and study them to formulate how a Christian should live. Best I could figure on how to be a "true christian".

      April 18, 2012 at 10:57 am |
    • jimtanker

      Being a nice person, giving to charity, and voulenteer work are inconsequential. You dont have to do any of that to claim to be a xtian.

      April 18, 2012 at 11:14 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @J.W.
      Some say you have to perform the correct rituals.
      Ceremonial drowning, cannibalism and genital mutilation are among the more popular rites.

      April 18, 2012 at 11:15 am |
    • J.W

      Well to me a Christian is simply someone who believes in God and believes that Jesus was a real person and is their savior. How we interpret the Bible otherwise does not elevate or diminish our Christianity. I think with the numerous issues that are alive today that were not there during biblical times that it is impossible for billions of people to agree on everything. Maybe it isn't necessarily a bad thing that Christians are not in agreement on everything the Bible says because maybe then they look at it more deeply, and think more about how it should be interpreted, or what it means the them personally.

      April 18, 2012 at 11:27 am |
    • *facepalm*

      If you use any definition other than lunchbreaker's, you're pretty much committing the No True Scottsman fallacy.

      April 18, 2012 at 11:31 am |
  6. jdubz

    Tomorrow's speed read will be about today's speed read. Come on CNN, running out of ideas?

    April 18, 2012 at 8:48 am |
  7. Rainer Braendlein

    Dear gay brothers sing the following song, before the world sinks like once the little ship.

    Nearer, My God, to Thee

    Nearer, my God, to Thee, nearer to Thee!
    E'en though it be a cross that raiseth me;
    Still all my song shall be nearer, my God, to Thee,

    Chorus:

    Nearer, my God, to Thee, nearer to Thee!
    Though like the wanderer, the sun gone down,
    Darkness be over me, my rest a stone;
    Yet in my dreams I'd be nearer, my God, to Thee,

    Chorus

    There let the way appear steps unto heav'n;
    All that Thou sendest me in mercy giv'n;
    Angels to beckon me nearer, my God, to Thee,

    Chorus

    Then with my waking thoughts bright with Thy praise,
    Out of my stony griefs Bethel I'll raise;
    So by my woes to be nearer, my God, to Thee,

    Chorus

    Or if on joyful wing, cleaving the sky,
    Sun, moon, and stars forgot, upwards I fly,
    Still all my song shall be, nearer, my God, to Thee,

    A sixth verse was later added to the hymn by Ed­ward H. Bick­er­steth, Jr. as follows:

    There in my Father’s home, safe and at rest,
    There in my Savior’s love, perfectly blest;
    Age after age to be, nearer my God to Thee.

    Chorus

    April 18, 2012 at 8:05 am |
    • jimtanker

      If you are as religious as you claim shouldnt you be out kiIIing gay people like your god commands?

      April 18, 2012 at 11:12 am |
    • Rainer Braendlein

      @jimtanker

      You make a mistake. We can imply that the peoples, which should be wiped out by Israel, had been admonished many times until God gave the command to destroy them. They were utterly corrupted, when God finally delivered them.

      Also we can imply that single persons within the people of Israel, which did not want to repent from gayness, were admonished many times, before they got stoned to death. Certaily, everything was done with patience to lead back the sinner to piety, before he was judged.

      Today a (baptized) sinner inside the Church, which doens't want to repent, gets excluded from the Church. Outside the Church he will be harmed by Satan and his servants, which can peak in the destruction of the body.

      You may realize that the true Israel of today is the Christian Church (Israel of believers). The Christian Church doesn't stone the penetrating sinners, but excludes them, after a long time of kind admonition. Everybody wants the restoration of the sinner and not his death.

      April 18, 2012 at 11:38 am |
  8. Rainer Braendlein

    Gayness is a sin beside many other sins, which we have a natural disposition for. God wants to set us free from every sin by the gospel of Jesus Christ. God wants to give us a new life of divine love and righteousness.

    I don't hate and judge gays, but offer the gospel towards them. Some brothers on this CNN blog asked me, where the Bible calls gayness a sin. There are several passages in the Bible about gayness. I have chosen only one of Romans, in order to avoid a lengthy text, which would overchallenge habitual TV watchers.

    Epistle to the Romans by St. Paul (a book of the New Testament, which is a part of the Bible), Chapter 1:

    18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

    I myself am a Protestant, which tries to keep the genuine doctrine of the Early Church.

    I don't hate and judge gays outside the church (even inside the church I don't hate them, but there they need a special treatment). It is only, if they want to join the Christian Church, they have to repent before.

    Assumed my workmate, relative, neighbour, etc. would be a gay, I would treat him friendly nevertheless. Only if he would go to church, I would admonish him privatly and tell him he should repent.

    Why should a gay church member repent?

    Gayness is one of many sins, which is an indicator for our alienation from the Lord, the eternal God, which has made heaven and earth. Inside the Church there should stay only people, which are reconciled with God.

    A church, which wants to be connected with the genuine Early Church, has to keep this.

    A church, which tolerates gayness in her midst is no Christian Church, but has apostated from her Lord.

    I repeat, I don't refer to gays outside the church, but inside the church.

    Gays, outside the church, I shall not admonish, but treat kindly (however, if a talk about Jesus develops, I may confess the truth, that God, the Father, delivered his Son for our sins and raised him from the dead for our justification, in oder to set us free form every sin and give us a life of love and righteousness).

    Everybody, who hates and judges gays, should ask himself, if he is sinless and consider that even the sinless Jesus did not judge the sinners, but offered the gospel of deliverance, in oder to set them free:

    Romans 1:

    28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

    Dear gays, Christ died for your sins and suffered a horrible death for you, furthermore he resurrected for you, in order to set you free. Can you remain gay regarding Christ's atonement for you?

    April 18, 2012 at 7:37 am |
    • lunchbreaker

      "Assumed my workmate, relative, neighbour, etc. would be a gay, I would treat him friendly nevertheless. Only if he would go to church, I would admonish him privatly and tell him he should repent."

      Would you do the same for any sin? If you overheard some one constatnly taking the Lord's name in vain, would you feel the need to approach them and tell them to repent? How about drinking? Maybe you saw somebody doing drugs. Where do you draw the line on what sins you feel you need to "admonish him privatly and tell him he should repent."?

      April 18, 2012 at 10:13 am |
  9. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    April 18, 2012 at 6:18 am |
    • Rainer Braendlein

      I don't hate and judge gays, but offer the gospel towards them. Some brothers on this CNN blog asked me, where the Bible calls gayness a sin. There are several passages in the Bible about gayness. I have chosen only one of Romans, in order to avoid a lengthy text, which would overchallenge habitual TV watchers.

      Epistle to the Romans by St. Paul (a book of the New Testament, which is a part of the Bible), Chapter 1:

      18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

      I myself am a Protestant, which tries to keep the genuine doctrine of the Early Church.

      I don't hate and judge gays outside the church (even inside the church I don't hate them, but there they need a special treatment). It is only, if they want to join the Christian Church, they have to repent before.

      Assumed my workmate, relative, neighbour, etc. would be a gay, I would treat him friendly nevertheless. Only if he would go to church, I would admonish him privatly and tell him he should repent.

      Why should a gay church member repent?

      Gayness is one of many sins, which is an indicator for our alienation from the Lord, the eternal God, which has made heaven and earth. Inside the Church there should stay only people, which are reconciled with God.

      A church, which wants to be connected with the genuine Early Church, has to keep this.

      A church, which tolerates gayness in her midst is no Christian Church, but has apostated from her Lord.

      I repeat, I don't refer to gays outside the church, but inside the church.

      Gays, outside the church, I shall not admonish, but treat kindly (however, if a talk about Jesus develops, I may confess the truth, that God, the Father, delivered his Son for our sins and raised him from the dead for our justification, in oder to set us free form every sin and give us a life of love and righteousness).

      Everybody, who hates and judges gays, should ask himself, if he is sinless and consider that even the sinless Jesus did not judge the sinners, but offered the gospel of deliverance, in oder to set them free:

      Romans 1:

      28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

      Dear gays, Christ died for your sins and suffered a horrible death for you, furthermore he resurrected for you, in order to set you free. Can you remain gay regarding Christ's atonement for you?

      April 18, 2012 at 7:34 am |
    • Jesus

      Prayer doesn’t not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!

      April 18, 2012 at 11:06 am |
    • YeahRight

      "23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: "

      It always amazes me that Christians like Rainer skip over this part of that scriptures...they were worshiping a pagan god using sex that was part of Roman culture, it has NOTHING to do with the Christian gay partnership as we know and understand it today. The people doing it were straight former Christians who switched over to that religion. Now you have to ask yourself is your judgment against gays using this scripture telling them their sinners still a just reason NOT to give them their civil rights. NO it is NOT! ! There are worse sinners in the Christian communities but you're not blocking their civil rights now are you! What a hypocrite!

      April 18, 2012 at 11:10 am |
    • Chance

      @yeahright

      you have underlying issues to think the way you do. As far as the issue, it is what it is, who cares. People are going to do what they want regardless of my belief and your belief. The only problem I have is when people make it seem bad for a man and women to be together. God aside just using logic we can figure out how we are supposed to function. As far as your scripture get real there is more to it. As far as calling people hypocrites, what makes you so righteous to call people that? Why are you better? Do you believe most people have it wrong but your right? New flash we are all people and we all mess up so we are all hypocritical at one time or another. Its called being human.

      April 18, 2012 at 11:41 am |
    • YeahRight

      "The only problem I have is when people make it seem bad for a man and women to be together. God aside just using logic we can figure out how we are supposed to function.'

      The experts around the world disagree with you . They have proven being gay is not choice, it's not a mental illness, it can't be voluntarily changed and is a natural part of human sexuality. So yes the experts have shown this is how they function! They deserve the same civil rights that straights do.

      April 18, 2012 at 2:40 pm |
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