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April 30th, 2012
12:24 PM ET

Columnist Dan Savage stands by comments on 'bulls**t in the Bible'

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

(CNN) - Columnist and gay-rights advocate Dan Savage is standing by his comment that “we can learn to ignore the bulls**t in the Bible about gay people” at a recent conference for high school students, a line that prompted some to walk out and spurred intense online debate.

In a blog post on Sunday, Savage wrote that his remark at a conference for the Journalism Education Association and the National Scholastic Press Association was "being spun as an attack on Christianity. Which is bullshhh… which is untrue.”

“I was not attacking the faith in which I was raised," Savage wrote. "I was attacking the argument that gay people must be discriminated against — and anti-bullying programs that address anti-gay bullying should be blocked (or exceptions should be made for bullying 'motivated by faith') — because it says right there in the Bible that being gay is wrong.”

Some Christian students walked out of the Seattle speech, prompting another controversial line from Savage: “It’s funny to someone who is on the receiving end of beatings that are justified by the Bible how pansya**ed people react when you push back.”

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Savage apologized for that specific remark in Sunday’s blog post, writing that his word choice “was insulting, it was name-calling, and it was wrong.”

One of the teachers attending the speech with his students told CNN’s Carol Costello on Monday that he was taken aback by the speech and that he supported the decision of some of his students to walk out of it.

“It took a real dark, hostile turn, certainly, as I saw it,” said Rick Tuttle, a teacher at Sutter Union High School in Southern California. “It became very hostile toward Christianity, to the point that many students did walk out, including some of my students.”

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“They felt that they were attacked … a very pointed, direct attack on one particular group of students. It’s amazing that we go to an anti-bullying speech and one group of students is picked on in particular, with harsh, profane language.”

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  1. Bob

    – Prejudice against Christians. The last acceptable bigotry

    April 30, 2012 at 5:49 pm |
    • Haden

      It's not prejudice. Disagreeing is not discrimination. Christians are not being beaten, fired from their jobs, or denied benefits for their beliefs. They are doing it to other people.

      April 30, 2012 at 5:51 pm |
    • Miss Trixie

      Exactly right, better not bash gays or minorities but Christians are fair game. What is funny is that they are too ignorant to see their own hypocrisy.

      April 30, 2012 at 5:55 pm |
    • Norman

      miss trixie-poor, religious sheep-christains arent being bashed-any faith is subject to ridicule because its based on primtive beliefs, most of which were proven to be false. But-pay attention here redneck-to bash someoen for an innate quality liek skin color, orientation, gender-taht is bashing-that is bullying-taht is wrong-and it will end when bigost liek yourself die off ian few years-praise God!

      April 30, 2012 at 6:02 pm |
    • Bob Lewis

      Please, spare me your martyrdom. The bloody history of Christianity makes all other religions look like rank amateurs. Any bigotry you sense is well deserved by centuries of violence and hatred toward others.

      April 30, 2012 at 6:09 pm |
    • sam stone

      gosh, bob and trixie....y'all sure have persecution complexes, don't you. when you are denied equal protection under the law, then you can bellyache. until then, people disagreeing with you are not necessarily persecuting you. what percentage of the country is christian? what percentage of our legislators are christians? as time goes on, people are becoming less religious and frankly tired of the pompous ramblings of SOME christians. take marriage out of the hands of government. civil unions for straight and gay couples. that is what controls LEGALLY. if a church wants to "bless" the union (or not), they can.. at that point it is out of the hands of government. the church thing would be entirely ceremonial, holding no legal standing. that way, gays and straights have equal protection under the law, and the religious community can discriminate however they wish.

      April 30, 2012 at 6:10 pm |
    • fuzzybeargville

      fake christians are under attack wah wah wahhhh...you have been forcing your Idea's on the world for a very long time. Give me a break!

      April 30, 2012 at 6:11 pm |
  2. tnfreethinker

    They felt attacked?!!! Seriously?!! What about the kids who are being bullied? Give me a break!

    April 30, 2012 at 5:48 pm |
    • Zoney

      Ahh, the irony and hypocrisy of this creepy person bullying teenagers from the bully-pulpit during what was supposed to be an anti-bullying speech and was instead the depraved rantings of a foaming-at-the-mouth bigoted pervert.

      April 30, 2012 at 5:51 pm |
      • tnfreethinker

        No bullying involved. He just stated the truth. The hypocrisy is from the Christians....LIKE ALWAYS!

        April 30, 2012 at 5:53 pm |
  3. tonyloaf

    Can you say "hypocrite?" A bully who preaches against bullying, going after high schoolers no less. Picking on weaker people is typical of bullies. Why doesn't he pick on someone his own size so to speak? He doesn't because he can't intimidate them like he can children. "Let's go after and taunt ignorant high school kids, that will be fun and make me look big!"

    April 30, 2012 at 5:48 pm |
    • QS

      "Let's go after and taunt ignorant high school kids, that will be fun and make me look big!"

      At least you admit those students were being ignorant. 🙂

      April 30, 2012 at 5:50 pm |
    • Ting

      He wasn't going against high school kids, he was attacking the Bible. Some were offended and left.

      April 30, 2012 at 5:50 pm |
  4. Zoney

    You liberals and gay agendists can rant and rave and wail and foam at the mouth all you want - you can stomp your feet like Rumpelstiltskin and whine about the Bible and besmirch faith - and at the end of the day all your stridency and foulness and blasphemy and protestations will not have changed God's final word on the subject.

    April 30, 2012 at 5:48 pm |
    • Haden

      Christians can be as smug and self-righteous as they want, but at the end of the day, we'll all be dead. You won't be in heaven anymore than the Muslims are. You'll just have lived your life completely misinterpreting the teaching of a long-dead Jewish man.

      April 30, 2012 at 5:49 pm |
    • tnfreethinker

      Who cares? He's pretend

      April 30, 2012 at 5:50 pm |
    • sam stone

      gee, zoney.....nothing like making this a political statement. now, boy, go get your shinebox

      April 30, 2012 at 6:13 pm |
    • sam stone

      zoney is confusing the words of iron age sheep boinkers with god. pretty funny, when you think about it. zoney....take a bible and a drum of KY jelly and insert "god's final word"

      April 30, 2012 at 6:18 pm |
  5. achepotle

    So it is a crime in America to speak the truth now? Get over yourselves, Xtians...nobody believeds in your silly Santa Clause political cult anymore...not even you...admit it....

    April 30, 2012 at 5:47 pm |
    • Hmmm

      Really? I didn't know the Xtian's savior was 'Santa Claus' - and I'm not even a Xtian.

      And...'nobody' believes it, anymore?

      Hmmm...exactly what percentage of the populace is atheist, achepotle?

      You sound a wee bit defensive, in all reality.

      April 30, 2012 at 5:49 pm |
    • TMA1

      Another Bible Ignoramus speaks it's mind.

      April 30, 2012 at 5:50 pm |
    • Lagos

      If you're going to troll, you could at least put some effort into it.

      April 30, 2012 at 5:51 pm |
    • tnfreethinker

      Hmmm....it's the Christians who are defensive because they can't force us all to live according to their man-made prejudiced rules. And the fact that they keep trying....yea, it p!sses us off.

      April 30, 2012 at 5:51 pm |
    • Miss Trixie

      Yes, I do believe. You sound like a bitter, angry person (like most atheists).

      April 30, 2012 at 5:53 pm |
    • QS

      What achepotle is saying, which I totally agree with, is that most, if not all religious people today only claim to be this religion or that out of obligation....because they know how childish religious people can be towards those who don't believe, so they just try to avoid the confrontation altogether by claiming to believe in a religion for nothing more than appearances – but in their hearts they do not believe.

      Essentially, you are to be just as shunned for declaring your non-belief as you would be for coming out as gay.

      April 30, 2012 at 5:55 pm |
    • Hmmm

      Well, tnfrerethinker, if you wish to go about your life, going around being p-d off against others, then I guess that's your right...but it's rather stupid and life-wasting, if you ask me.

      Further, if the last, oh, fifty or so years of U.S. history is any guide, then it would seem that it's the NON-Xtians who've been busy trying to ram THEIR rot gut down everyone ELSE's throats...and it is definitely p-ing THEM off.

      April 30, 2012 at 5:57 pm |
    • sam stone

      miss trixie: you got it wrong. most atheists are not bitter or angry. we are just amused by the pompous blatherings of theists, not to mention the empty proxy threats.

      April 30, 2012 at 6:24 pm |
  6. Mark Breton

    I have read the comments and they make me sad; sad for believers and people who choose a different way to live. First off, Christianity is not bound by the Old Testament in the way you think. Those who comment otherwise are not educated in the facts of Christianity and it takes too long to explain here. Secondly, no where in the New Testament does it say to harrass, beat, or otherwise bother gay people. It says what it says and that is not the fault of Christians, God said it. If you start taking stuff out because it doesn't suit you then none of it matters. There is nothing in Christianity that is supposed to be hostile towards any group of people. And there is to be no hate. There doesn't need to be hate. People are just stupid and do stupid things. People need to quit teaching that Christianity has hate in it. It doesn't, but you actually have to read the book and understand the theology before you can reach that conclusion. READ THE NEW TESTAMENT, CHRISTIANS!!

    April 30, 2012 at 5:47 pm |
    • mendacitysux

      Pick and choose what you want to take from the bible.
      Has been done for centuries.
      At what point does this house of cards fall down?

      April 30, 2012 at 5:53 pm |
    • fuzzybeargville

      " ______________" that is what the new testaments Jo'shua Bin Miriam says about Gay people there are some musing in Paul's letter's which were probably not written by Paul at all but much later and then attributed to him....Any way only Simon Peter as head of the early church had the right to speak for Jo' shua bin Miriam in council with the other Apostles....Oh and nowhere does it say that Peter was to hand down the power to bind and loosen that which was in heaven or earth to some chosen leader in unbroken succession. Peter was always supposed to be the first among equals.After the Death of Peter the leader were supposed to figure it out for themselves guided by their conscience (or the holy spirit).

      April 30, 2012 at 6:29 pm |
  7. Miller Man

    Its ok for me to do it but not you. Typical liberal hypocrite.

    April 30, 2012 at 5:45 pm |
    • PushingBack

      Get over yourself.

      April 30, 2012 at 5:49 pm |
  8. davee8r

    Christians..... just like sheep.. get a grip. the bible was written by men in a time of ignorance toward the world.

    April 30, 2012 at 5:45 pm |
    • Shepherd

      typical liberal hate speech

      April 30, 2012 at 5:49 pm |
    • TMA1

      Explain your evidence.

      April 30, 2012 at 5:56 pm |
  9. Richard Dover

    It looks like Dan needs to take the pledge again -- TAKE THE PLEDGE: Everyone deserves to be respected for who they are. I pledge to spread this message to my friends, family and neighbors. I'll speak up against hate and intolerance whenever I see it, at school and at work.

    April 30, 2012 at 5:44 pm |
    • Ron

      Are you sure you truly mean everyone needs to be respected for who they are – even when they are people who are for intolerance, hate, ethnic cleansing, abuse, or other biases that harm others?

      April 30, 2012 at 5:51 pm |
  10. Question

    If you believe ra pe is morally, absolutely wrong, then you believe in moral absolutes.

    But...how can there be moral absolutes, without a Creator?

    How can right and wrong exist, with people being nothing more than pure accidents of blind, evolutionary chance?

    I've never yet heard these questions tackled, directly and sensibly.

    April 30, 2012 at 5:44 pm |
    • BHirsh

      "you believe in moral absolutes"

      Yeah, I do. You have a problem with that?

      April 30, 2012 at 5:49 pm |
    • Hmmm

      My, you're defensive, BHirsch.

      If you'll go back and calmly re-read the post, you might see the point: those who claim they DON'T believe in moral absolutes, and DO believe in evolution, might just have a problem with the subject of r a p e.

      April 30, 2012 at 5:51 pm |
    • Allow me

      "If you believe ra pe is morally, absolutely wrong, then you believe in moral absolutes.
      But...how can there be moral absolutes, without a Creator?
      How can right and wrong exist, with people being nothing more than pure accidents of blind, evolutionary chance?
      I've never yet heard these questions tackled, directly and sensibly."

      Evolution has granted us higher brain function then our ancestors, and as a result has allowed us to not only reason but empathize with our fellow man. With this empathy a sense of right and wrong has developed.

      If you force upon someone an injustice, that is wrong. Regardless of what you may "believe" things that cause harm to others are typically considered wrong , if by no other means then the transitive property of determining how you would feel if this was brought upon you. God has nothing to do with it explicitly.

      Harm is harm, and most people would prefer to not see harm befall another if for no other reason then the selfish reason of they would not want that same harm visited upon them.

      Those who would like to see harm fall upon others are bad for humanity. Whats worse is when thy cause that harm in the name of this Creator.

      The real question is, where was this Creator of your while this r*pe was happening? Where where they when it was happening in a church by a priest? Where were they when the Holocaust happened? Or Katrina, or the Haitian earthquake or 9/11 or any tragedy in human history that claimed the lives of believers and non believers a like.

      April 30, 2012 at 5:56 pm |
    • Monica

      If you would take any basic introductory class on ethics you could get those questions answered in about five minutes.

      April 30, 2012 at 5:56 pm |
    • D

      They exist because we create them. Right and wrong are constructs created by humans for humans. They don't have to come from a god.

      And to answer your first question, and no doubt the next one you are loading up, that means that there are no true moral absolutes. If one group of people decides r@pe is wrong and another decides it's okay, then that's just that.

      April 30, 2012 at 5:58 pm |
    • Hmmm

      How about YOU answer the questions, Monica....since you claim they're so easily answered...rather than deflect off to some philosopher's class somewhere.

      Come on, kiddo...fess up (not that I expect you to)!

      April 30, 2012 at 5:59 pm |
    • W. R. Martin

      Define: "moral absolutes"
      Define: "creator"
      Explain: How morals require this 'creator' or yours that you posit without any evidence whatsoever?

      How do these differ from what you said:
      How can there be moral absolutes without a Tooth Fairy?
      How can there be moral absolutes without a Santa Claus?
      How can there be moral absolutes without an Easter Bunny?
      How can there be moral absolutes without a herd of unicorns in my garden?
      How can there be moral absolutes without Thor, Zeus, and Apollo?

      April 30, 2012 at 6:01 pm |
    • Question

      Allow me, that was a very typical, deflective, predicatable and frankly gutless response.

      If a g0d intervened every time something was wrong, how could there be a good and bad? We'd all just be robots with no real free will.

      But with free will, there come CHOICES...and that's what makes certain choices all the worse.

      And again I ask: if there's no g0d and therefore no moral absolutes, how can r a pe be wrong?

      One 'progressive', responding to me, actually out-and-out said that if enough people think rap e's okay, then it's okay (just scroll up and read it)!

      Certainly you don't agree with that.

      April 30, 2012 at 6:02 pm |
    • Question

      W.R., how about just answer the questions, rather than toss up your defensive wall?

      April 30, 2012 at 6:03 pm |
    • Allow me

      Whats gutless about the reality of the situation, that being:

      1. People (typically) choose to not do harm upon one another regardless of faith
      2. God lets bad (and immoral) things happen

      Isn't free will just an easy way out of the whole argument for you? God lets people do bad things. God lets people choose to believe.

      The problem here is, your entire thought process is built on a faith, which you take as fact. faith by its very nature is unwavering. Presenting you with every fact in the world won't budge it. That's the point.

      You ask a question whose answers you have already dismissed. What would take guts would be for you to actually question your faith and beliefs. Blind faith is easy, its a security blanket. It comforts you makes you feel safe. You can dismiss other points of view, regardless of how they are presented because you have your all powerful book , written by man and unalterable through time.

      But to be more direct, regarding the bible and morality, why would God carry out and request such morally reprehensible things? Thou shall not kill, but lots of people died in Soddom and Gomorrah. Lots of people died when he flooded the earth.

      April 30, 2012 at 6:15 pm |
    • Allow me

      One last thought...

      Is the only reason you thing r*pe is bad is because you fear gods wrath in the afterlife? There must be more compelling you not to r*pe then that and that alone?

      And if you were to get to the afterlife,and there was nothing, just dead in the ground, would you regret not committing r*pe?

      April 30, 2012 at 6:22 pm |
    • D

      Hey there, I'm the "progressive" that you alluded to. The fact is that morality is constantly in flux. It is different across culture and time. What is moral now will not be so in the future, just like what used to be considered moral (e.g. slavery) is now considered unacceptable.

      You may not like the idea that morality is subject to the whims of contemporary thought, but that doesn't change the fact that it is. The reason for that is that we make our own morals and we keep changing our mind. It's not god, it's just people, for better or worse.

      April 30, 2012 at 6:24 pm |
    • You say that

      If God always intervened we would be robots. Isn't blindly following the rules in a book just submitting yourself to being that robot? Haven't you robbed yourself of your own free will?

      May 1, 2012 at 9:50 am |
  11. Reality

    ONLY FOR THE NEWCOMERS--

    One more time: The Facts–

    "Abrahamics" believe that their god created all of us and of course that includes the g-ay members of the human race. Also, those who have studied ho-mo-se-xuality have determined that there is no choice involved therefore ga-ys are ga-y because god made them that way.

    To wit:

    o The Royal College of Psy-chiatrists stated in 2007:

    “ Despite almost a century of psy-choanalytic and psy-chological speculation, there is no substantive evidence to support the suggestion that the nature of parenting or early childhood experiences play any role in the formation of a person’s fundamental heteros-exual or hom-ose-xual orientation. It would appear that s-exual orientation is biological in nature, determined by a complex interplay of ge-netic factors and the early ut-erine environment. Se-xual orientation is therefore not a choice.[60] "

    "Garcia-Falgueras and Swaab state in the abstract of their 2010 study, "The fe-tal brain develops during the intraut-erine period in the male direction through a direct action of tes-tosterone on the developing nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hor-mone surge. In this way, our gender identi-ty (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) and s-exual orientation are programmed or organized into our brain structures when we are still in the womb. There is no indication that social environment after birth has an effect on gender ident–ity or s-exual orientation."[8

    See also the Philadelphia Inquirer review “Gay Gene, Deconstructed”, 12/12/2011. Said review addresses the following “How do genes associated with ho-mose-xuality avoid being weeded out by Darwinian evolution?”

    Of course, those gays who belong to Abrahamic religions abide by the rules of no adu-ltery or for-nication allowed.

    And because of basic biology differences said monogamous ventures should always be called same-s-ex unions not same-s-ex marriages.

    From below, on top, backwards, forwards, from this side of the Moon and from the other side too, gay se-xual activity is still mutual masturbation caused by one or more complex se-xual differences. Some differences are visually obvious in for example the complex maleness of DeGeneres, Billy Jean King and Rosie O'Donnell.

    Yes, heteros-exuals practice many of the same "moves" but there is never a doubt who is the female and who is the male.

    April 30, 2012 at 5:44 pm |
  12. Vince

    Ever wonder why people become so emotional persay regarding Christianity/Jesus verses any other religion? No one has a problem with Buddah, Mohammed, Hinduism or anything else. The ONLY time people get riled up is when Christianity is involved...now why is that? My thoughts...that's the ONLY one that's real...that's the ONLY one people feel the need to fight against or try to deny...basically...Jesus is still KING and satan is still angry about it. Thus all the little imps and minions are out in force 2000 years later STILL trying to deny Jesus...awesome! That just let's me know that there is something real about this Jesus and Christianity...because if He were irrelevant like the others, no one would bother lifting a finger to dispel the Bible, Christ, God etc...you'd just ignore it like you ignore everything else. People only "fight" over real things...otherwise we'd just dismiss it as silly and not worth our time...but just look at all the folks who just can't help talking about Jesus and Christianity! I'll bet if we put up an article about Buddhists no one would dare comment or Islam...but Christianity brings out the devil himself! lol If you don't agree with the Bilble, so what...it's not for you then. The same way I may not agree with certain things...ok...it's not for me. As a Christian I am to love all my brothers and sisters...hate the sin, love the person. Simple as that.

    April 30, 2012 at 5:43 pm |
    • sharky

      WOW where have you been living? I seem to recall the massive protests, riots and killings around the world over the Mohammad cartoons from the Danish paper. I seem to recall the murders and riots over burning the Koran, or threat of it actually. I recall the South Park guys receiving death threats over their Mohammad bear. Or Salman Rushdie having a death sentence on his head for his book. Are you killing me no one gets into a huff over Mohammad???????

      April 30, 2012 at 5:51 pm |
    • sharky

      killing = kidding

      April 30, 2012 at 5:53 pm |
    • Whatever

      AB SO LUTELY!!! Well, they DO get up set about that Perv, Mo-hock-a-loogi-mmad and his band of bomb-toting miscreants. But not like they do about God, Jesus an Christianity.

      April 30, 2012 at 6:00 pm |
    • vangrungy

      that's an awesome comment...

      you are very perceptive..

      they hate Jesus BECAUSE he advocated actual choice.. and because the people constantly in conflict with Jesus wish to force Jesus to admit them into heaven even though they don't repent they are angry..

      your comment is saved..

      vangrungy dot blogspot dot com

      April 30, 2012 at 6:53 pm |
  13. Ron

    He is obviously not a Christian, much less a born-again Christian. May god have mercy on his soul. Just for fun, read 2 Timothy 3:16.

    April 30, 2012 at 5:43 pm |
    • DeeNYC

      read timmy got taken by father jimmy, johnny, and joe.

      April 30, 2012 at 5:49 pm |
    • André

      We dont care about your quotes that come from a book containing only made-up stories. God is imaginary.

      April 30, 2012 at 5:52 pm |
  14. Richard Dover

    It sounds like Dan needs to retake his pledge - TAKE THE PLEDGE: Everyone deserves to be respected for who they are. I pledge to spread this message to my friends, family and neighbors. I'll speak up against hate and intolerance whenever I see it, at school and at work.

    April 30, 2012 at 5:43 pm |
    • BHirsh

      Everyone deserves to be respected for who they are?

      Even violent dirtbag criminals? Even pedophiles? Even wife-beaters? What? Everyone?

      No, God gave us the intelligence to discriminate as to who we respect and who we don't. How we answer that quiz determines whether or not we are moral people.

      April 30, 2012 at 5:52 pm |
    • André

      What pledge ? I have no idea what you're taking about.

      April 30, 2012 at 5:53 pm |
  15. Think

    So the people who walked out want to bully gays? or do they think that being gay is wrong and punishable by bullying? Sounds to me that they were at the wrong speech.

    April 30, 2012 at 5:43 pm |
    • Jeff R

      They were at an anti-bullying speech which turned into bullying.

      April 30, 2012 at 5:44 pm |
    • Think

      That was not bullying, he merely mentioned a common excuse bullies use for picking on gay individuals, people just get all frizzled when religion is brought into it, but the thing is its true, many bullies don't even think their bullies, they are just saying/ doing what is told to them as right, that gay people are wrong/ evil/ sinful/ etc...

      April 30, 2012 at 5:59 pm |
    • Stacey

      I guess calling someone a 'pans*-a$* isn't bullying then?

      April 30, 2012 at 6:01 pm |
    • Think

      Not when its true...when someone shove back against the bible, the religious bully get's hurt, I have seen it happen myself, yes they turn to cowards, they feel free to insult and bully gays but can't handle a simple defensive attack against the reason why they are being bullied.

      April 30, 2012 at 6:12 pm |
    • Think

      And being called a pansy @$$ is a lot better than what many people yell at each other EVERY DAY, and they don't go crying "Bulling". Also when the bullies generally use worse language in the initial attack "$h1t Packer", "demon F***er"...I've heard it with my own ears, so don't call me a lier.

      April 30, 2012 at 6:15 pm |
  16. Moe

    Yep and this guy visits the WH right up there with the Hollywood crowd. I could give a hoot if you are gay. I just don't have to have it shoved down my throat. Let's get real he is just one of the examples of what this administration is all about. If anyone from the right said anything against this man initially they would be pounding on the Republicans to apologize. No one is asking for the Administration to condemn his remarks. Yet the schools will keep using him and your children will be bullied. Ironic isn't it.

    April 30, 2012 at 5:43 pm |
    • Norman

      Moe-nothign is being shoved down your throat-woudl you have said that to balcks in teh 60s who wanetd equality? now be quiet-adults are talkin'

      April 30, 2012 at 5:49 pm |
  17. Open Minded Christian

    A lot of the hate against Christians on this comment thread are using the old testament for examples. Your argument is invalid. Read the new testament then talk.

    April 30, 2012 at 5:42 pm |
    • Think

      Old...New...They are both considered official christian doctrine, Once the church officially disavows everything from the old testament, then people would be nicer, but its there, and millions follow it to the T.

      April 30, 2012 at 5:46 pm |
    • Really-O?

      @Open Minded Christian – regarding: "Read the new testament then talk".

      Have a look at a few things the new testament has to say about hom.ose.xuality:
      Romans 1:26-27
      Corinthians 1 6:9-10
      Timothy 1 1:9-10

      April 30, 2012 at 5:48 pm |
    • Norman

      open minded-youre a false christian-Jesus himself said the old laws are to be followed-did you even read the book?

      April 30, 2012 at 5:50 pm |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      So lets get this straight, we non-believers are not allowed to use the OT but yet when it comes to christians picking on gays or telling us how to live morally, they get to use the OT at their discretion....otherwise the NT is the way to go? (accepting the NT is basically doing away with God now because Jesus is in charge and gods word no longer means anything)
      Now if we only turned to the NT, you'd find an issue with that also, Really it's a no win thing...no matter how much evidence and broken down explanations we give you, you will always have an answer even if we can show you you are wrong...the arrogance is amazing and rather sad.

      April 30, 2012 at 5:55 pm |
    • Maya

      When you rip the Old Testament out of your Bible, then you can claim that it is irrelevant. Until then, you're just talking out of your ***.

      April 30, 2012 at 6:03 pm |
  18. Jeff R

    'Tolerance' to the Left means all the things I believe in are ok and shouldn't be questioned, but bashing everything you believe in is ok.

    April 30, 2012 at 5:42 pm |
    • Maya

      It is revealing that you assume that all atheists are leftists. Stereotypes, anyone?

      April 30, 2012 at 6:04 pm |
  19. eye54

    People seem to be confused on the context and completion of the Bible. The new testament superceeds the old people; that is in God's Word. I laugh reading some of the comments on this thread from the "open minded" crowd. Do Chrsitians fall short? Absolutely, like all people. Do they act hypocritically? Absolutely, like all people. God's teachings tell us we will. Christianity teaches us to forgive; most of us fall short in this regard...but to attack the Religion that teaches that is almost comical when you read what it's "attackers" are saying.

    April 30, 2012 at 5:42 pm |
    • Think

      Ok, here is something from the new Testament
      Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: “He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” (Matthew 15:4-7)

      April 30, 2012 at 5:51 pm |
    • Think

      Also a part where Jesus basically says the old testament is valid.

      "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

      April 30, 2012 at 5:54 pm |
    • Think

      This page covers it quite well
      http://www.evilbible.com/do_not_ignore_ot.htm

      April 30, 2012 at 5:55 pm |
    • Maya

      The Bible preaches death, destruction, and weakness, nothing more. Stop drinking the Kool-Aid. You've been lied to and you need to grow up and accept that.

      April 30, 2012 at 6:02 pm |
  20. Josh

    What a brave person to talk pure religious hatred bulls**t in front of a captive audience.

    April 30, 2012 at 5:41 pm |
    • Think

      AMEN

      April 30, 2012 at 6:17 pm |
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