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April 30th, 2012
12:24 PM ET

Columnist Dan Savage stands by comments on 'bulls**t in the Bible'

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

(CNN) - Columnist and gay-rights advocate Dan Savage is standing by his comment that “we can learn to ignore the bulls**t in the Bible about gay people” at a recent conference for high school students, a line that prompted some to walk out and spurred intense online debate.

In a blog post on Sunday, Savage wrote that his remark at a conference for the Journalism Education Association and the National Scholastic Press Association was "being spun as an attack on Christianity. Which is bullshhh… which is untrue.”

“I was not attacking the faith in which I was raised," Savage wrote. "I was attacking the argument that gay people must be discriminated against — and anti-bullying programs that address anti-gay bullying should be blocked (or exceptions should be made for bullying 'motivated by faith') — because it says right there in the Bible that being gay is wrong.”

Some Christian students walked out of the Seattle speech, prompting another controversial line from Savage: “It’s funny to someone who is on the receiving end of beatings that are justified by the Bible how pansya**ed people react when you push back.”

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Savage apologized for that specific remark in Sunday’s blog post, writing that his word choice “was insulting, it was name-calling, and it was wrong.”

One of the teachers attending the speech with his students told CNN’s Carol Costello on Monday that he was taken aback by the speech and that he supported the decision of some of his students to walk out of it.

“It took a real dark, hostile turn, certainly, as I saw it,” said Rick Tuttle, a teacher at Sutter Union High School in Southern California. “It became very hostile toward Christianity, to the point that many students did walk out, including some of my students.”

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“They felt that they were attacked … a very pointed, direct attack on one particular group of students. It’s amazing that we go to an anti-bullying speech and one group of students is picked on in particular, with harsh, profane language.”

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  1. Eric G

    Ok, we have had many posts along the lines of "I bet he wouldn't say any of that about Islam".

    Enough already!

    Discrimination against anyone is never justified by your religious belief. Please just admit that it is you that hates gays. If you cannot prove that your god exists, you cannot claim that he hates all the same stuff you do.

    April 30, 2012 at 6:55 pm |
    • Stacey

      It seems you'd have to prove God doesn't exist if you're so insisting on that 'fact'.

      April 30, 2012 at 6:57 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You're apparently ignorant, Stacey. One can no more prove God doesn't exist than one can prove leprechauns don't exist.

      If this is the first time you've heard that, you need to go back to class and try to stay sober and conscious this time.

      April 30, 2012 at 6:58 pm |
    • momoya

      LOL, no, if you can't prove there's an actual being up there that hates gays, you have to take full credit for the bigotry.. If you can prove god feels the way you do (first you'd have to prove god exists) then we can say it's a directive from your god.

      April 30, 2012 at 7:01 pm |
    • A Candid Look

      So, because you can't prove he does exist... then by defult he does not ... is that your logic TomTOM... somebody has been using your head for a TOMTOM.... You can't prove it either way... you can't convinve me that this entire universe is some kind of gaint cosmic accident....

      April 30, 2012 at 7:04 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I don't have to convince you, you illiterate dimwit. That would require you were in possession of a working cerebrum.

      April 30, 2012 at 7:09 pm |
    • Eric G

      @A Candid Look: You are right. We can teach you about physics, but we can't make you understand.

      Scientific theory is supported by verifiable evidence. Please present any verifiable evidence that your god exists. To insert your "god must have done it" where your understanding of science ends is intellectually dishonest.

      April 30, 2012 at 7:12 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Candy doesn't know that the rules of debate are clear: one cannot prove a negative. You are the ones making the claim that there is a god. The onus is on you to prove it.

      April 30, 2012 at 7:16 pm |
    • Al

      "Discrimination against anyone is never justified by your religious belief. Please just admit that it is you that hates gays. If you cannot prove that your god exists, you cannot claim that he hates all the same stuff you do."

      Discrimination? God tells us marriage is between a man and a woman. Man says marriage is between a man and a man. Now who do you think the Faithful will obey? This isn't OUR decision, it's our LORD'S.

      Christians don't hate gays, we love gays. It's their SIN we hate. Get it right.

      Your last sentance is painfully illogical. If we could prove God exists (to the extent an atheist would require) then we'd have no need of Faith now, would we? That's why it's called FAITH. We are saved by God's Grace through our FAITH.

      April 30, 2012 at 7:18 pm |
    • Really-O?

      @Al – regarding faith.
      Why do you suppose religion is the only human endeavor in which faith (belief without evidence) is considered a virtue? Could it be because if it weren't for faith, no sane adult would believe the nonsense religion asks of its flock?

      April 30, 2012 at 7:24 pm |
  2. JM

    They should have taken his microphone away at that point in his talk and said thank you and now go away!

    April 30, 2012 at 6:54 pm |
    • Bob

      True, because stiffing free speech is what this country was built on.

      April 30, 2012 at 6:56 pm |
    • cherisea

      Then it's only fair that every time someone with Christian ideals speaks out, that we take away their microphone.

      April 30, 2012 at 6:57 pm |
    • I LOVE TOILET PAPER

      JM, great idea!!

      I'm going to start walking into churches and do this every sunday!!

      April 30, 2012 at 6:57 pm |
    • Reagan80

      Bob: Actually, that's called stifling hate speech. I thought you guys were in favor of that.

      April 30, 2012 at 7:03 pm |
    • rightmostofthetime

      Exactly. And people who claim that would be a violation of free speech don't know what free speech is about. No one asked for this idiot to be arrested. Any private organization can shut off the mike of a bully who's supposed to be giving a talk on anti-bullying.

      April 30, 2012 at 7:04 pm |
  3. 3511danny

    Dan who?

    April 30, 2012 at 6:54 pm |
  4. Rusty

    Just another punk with a big mouth.

    April 30, 2012 at 6:53 pm |
    • sam stone

      like those punks with big mouths who are sure that they know what god wants?

      April 30, 2012 at 7:01 pm |
    • Reagan80

      Sam Stone: If you don't know what he wants, he wrote it down for you.

      April 30, 2012 at 7:04 pm |
  5. D

    The organizers of this event should be disciplined or sanctioned for not stepping in and taking over. "In-loco-parentis" means that the teachers and organizers are standing in for the parents, and I can't imagine any responsible parent standing by while one group of students is bullied during an anti-bullying lecture. The teachers and organizers in attendance failed in their responsibilities to the students and to their parents.

    IMHO these people should face discipline from their local school districts for not acting appropriately.

    BTW: I'm an Atheist but believe in tolerance – including tolerance for Christians – and expect a bit more from teachers, event organizers and certainly Scholastic. There will always be boorish idiots like the speaker, but there should be responsible adults (teachers and organizers) who step in when things get out of hand. They failed.

    April 30, 2012 at 6:52 pm |
    • Bob

      I couldn't disagree with you more. I think more honesty like this is needed and people need to understand that intolerance and hate and violence against gays or anyone can not be justified in any book, including the bible.

      April 30, 2012 at 6:55 pm |
    • Dee

      Well said. I'm a Christian, but I I agree with you.This was an inappropriate choice for a HS speaker.

      April 30, 2012 at 6:55 pm |
    • JeffreyRO5

      Who was bullied, exactly? Were the writers of the Bible in the audience or something? Even then, that's not bullying, but it might be insulting. That someone points out the flaws in the your chosen ancient religious text, well, maybe you shouldn't take it personally, since you didn't write it!

      April 30, 2012 at 6:56 pm |
    • pbernasc

      yeah .. shoots anyone who says something you don't like, very Christian behavior

      April 30, 2012 at 6:58 pm |
    • momoya

      Thanks to Bob and Jeff.. Right on.

      April 30, 2012 at 7:02 pm |
  6. Guest

    I wonder how the LEFT would feel if he slammed the Quo'ran? hmmmm

    April 30, 2012 at 6:51 pm |
    • Neil Yaprikya

      The Left? How about the muslims??

      April 30, 2012 at 6:54 pm |
    • Darwin

      Hey tear it up. religion is religion, tear it all up.

      April 30, 2012 at 6:54 pm |
    • sam stone

      what has the left to do with this, big mouth?

      also, capitalizing it doesn't make you sound any less dumb

      April 30, 2012 at 7:03 pm |
  7. Jim

    He shouldn't have to apologizes. There has been to many bad deeds done in the name of different gods for it to be ignored any longer.

    April 30, 2012 at 6:51 pm |
    • Jason

      He shouldn't apologize, I agree. That is how he feels. He should have never been allowed to speak to high school students. His speaches should be limited to LGBT events. Nobody else should have to hear him speak about anything. P.S., he needs a good butt kick'n.

      April 30, 2012 at 6:56 pm |
    • Todd

      Oh don't give me that bullcrap. I can say too many things have been justified in the name of atheism. You have your belief, I have mine. If you want me to respect yours, you better well start respecting mine.

      April 30, 2012 at 6:56 pm |
    • Millard

      I wonder if you feel the same way about Islam? Thought as much. You both would be on your knees begging.

      April 30, 2012 at 6:56 pm |
    • JeffreyRO5

      Amen

      April 30, 2012 at 6:57 pm |
    • Dee

      I'm assuming you had a typical public school education. What about the horrible oppression of communism that has destroyed so many lives and tried to stamp out culture and faith?

      April 30, 2012 at 7:05 pm |
    • sam stone

      "You both would be on your knees begging."

      Isn't that the whole point of the monotheistic religion of the middle east? They always feature an angry god who is more like a tyrant than a loving parent

      April 30, 2012 at 7:06 pm |
  8. Name*lori

    Time for an antichristian revolution. Burn those bibles. Do it now! Time to EVOLVE my fellow citizens.

    April 30, 2012 at 6:51 pm |
    • rico

      viva la resistance!

      April 30, 2012 at 6:54 pm |
    • Darwin

      Where's the party?

      April 30, 2012 at 6:55 pm |
    • Stacey

      The Left doesn't believe in religion. Most religions don't believe in gays. All square.

      April 30, 2012 at 6:55 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      More silly generalizations from Stacy. What a shock.

      April 30, 2012 at 6:56 pm |
    • Name*lori

      Yes. YES! Viva La Resistance!!!!!!!

      April 30, 2012 at 6:57 pm |
    • Jason

      How about let's not.

      April 30, 2012 at 6:57 pm |
    • Name*lori

      Be a good lamb Jason.

      April 30, 2012 at 6:59 pm |
    • Textbook Cases

      Your revolution is starting tomorrow. Didn't you hear? The Occupy goons and their Commie friends will be taking to the streets for May Day. PS, they hate Christians too...

      April 30, 2012 at 7:04 pm |
    • Dee

      Hitler had the same idea. You can read about it in his book, 'My Struggle.' (Notice how he made it all about HIM – typical narcissism)

      April 30, 2012 at 7:07 pm |
  9. Sailor2uall

    It is funny how people get upset with Christians voicing their opinions. I believe had this speech been given in a Middle Eastern country the speaker would have been beheaded by now.

    April 30, 2012 at 6:51 pm |
    • pbernasc

      right .. which proves we should behead people too, yeah .. let's start with yours .. so at least there is one less brain dead mouth talking

      April 30, 2012 at 6:53 pm |
    • Jason

      I would support that.

      April 30, 2012 at 6:53 pm |
    • rico

      See what you don't understand, is that Christians are always F#$#$&^ voicing their opinions. Keep it your damn self. I do have freedom from your religion right?

      April 30, 2012 at 6:53 pm |
    • Stacey

      @rico- Cry much? Get a tissue.

      April 30, 2012 at 6:54 pm |
    • Bob

      Wow, did you really say that? Do you not see how much hate and intolerance you are spewing by comments like that? You wonder why people fear Christianity? When countries adopt a religion and follow it without question, we end up with beheadings for speaking our mind. Is this what you want? Is that what Jesus taught you, that free speech is punishable by death?

      April 30, 2012 at 7:01 pm |
    • pbernasc

      SO funny to read, Christians who hate and get offended when they are told, hate is not very Christian...
      and yet Jesus did say "the first without a sin to throw the first stone".
      2000 years later ad no stone has been throw yet .. but by all those who are sinner anyway.

      Stop hating what u don't know or don't understand .. I am no gay, can't stand the thought of gays .. (though I don't mind lesbians ;-) ... but I don't hate them and know Jesus would accept them in his home.

      Now, I defy any Christians to come here and say that Jesus would ban gay people from his home.

      April 30, 2012 at 7:28 pm |
  10. Stacey

    The LGBT community doesn't want tolerance, they just want payback for perceived slights.

    April 30, 2012 at 6:50 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      What are your qualifications as a mind reader?

      April 30, 2012 at 6:51 pm |
    • Jason

      Stacy, the left is not tollerant. They are okay with your views as long as they are exactly the same as theirs and that is a fact.

      April 30, 2012 at 6:58 pm |
    • Textbook Cases

      Tom, Stacey is reading the hate-filled comments on this blog. What else is she supposed to think?

      April 30, 2012 at 7:01 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      And I'm reading her hate-filled spew. Do you think I believe everyone's as big an ass hole as she is?

      April 30, 2012 at 7:02 pm |
    • Ohnoetry

      Right, because being beaten to death or bullied to the point of suicide falls neatly into the category of "perceived slights."

      April 30, 2012 at 7:05 pm |
    • sam stone

      so, stacey, do you ever think before you open that gash?

      April 30, 2012 at 7:10 pm |
    • sam stone

      jason: that is not a fact. that is an opinion., what you describe sounds much more like the i-speak-for-jeebus set

      April 30, 2012 at 7:14 pm |
    • sam stone

      How about the violation of the 4th amendment (equal protection) as one of those "percieved slights", gash?

      April 30, 2012 at 7:18 pm |
    • Dee

      The typical American has watched the 1-2% (not the 10-20% of population that Hollywood would have you believe) gay population break the law by having judges overturn voters' decisions. It's obnoxious to see militant gay agenda when I see extremely rich gay celebrities living very free lives in a free country. Tired of the whining. One aspect of personality disorder is that things are 'never good enough' for the abuser. Seriously, I will use wire-cutters on my cable if Ellen starts crying and whining again. The manipulation is getting old, and pointedly hateful toward Christianity specifically.

      April 30, 2012 at 7:36 pm |
  11. pbernasc

    yeah .. if the bible is bullying some kind of people, then it cannot be very surprising, in accordance with with God's teaching that "giving is receiving", that the result is some more bullying.
    I am Christian, born and grown up in the most Catholic place of the world, I even went to Africa on a mission for God ... and yet, I know that what is written in the Bible about gay people is nothing less than evil bullying.

    So dear Christians .. f@#*@**ing grow up and stop being offended when u r at the receiving end of your own evil giving

    April 30, 2012 at 6:50 pm |
    • Stacey

      So then shouldn't you 'grow up' and quit complaining when you are offended too?

      April 30, 2012 at 6:51 pm |
      • pbernasc

        I am not offended nor I am complaining ... I just like to point out the kind of contradictory behavior religious people do all the times ... u receive what you give .. give hate u receive hate. SO it is true the Bible hates gay people .. and therefore it is in full contradiction with God's teaching .. anyone knows that, including all Christians .. unfortunately most bigots don't want to admit it. I do .. the Bible is wrong, God says it ...

        April 30, 2012 at 6:57 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      The difference is that the offenses Christians commit against gays are reflected in the laws that deprive them of rights.

      April 30, 2012 at 6:54 pm |
      • pbernasc

        ?? oh so that makes it right?
        Then slavery was right too ... wow, I admire your humanity. Hell of Christian you are

        April 30, 2012 at 6:59 pm |
    • Millard

      YOU....a Christian? Yep....in name only.

      April 30, 2012 at 7:01 pm |
      • pbernasc

        and you wold know that how? Oh wait, u do not agree with me therefore u know I cannot be a Christian ... well .. don't be surprised the day u meet me in Hell .. because I have no fear .. how about u?

        April 30, 2012 at 7:22 pm |
        • Millard

          Be afraid, be very afraid. Hell will not some place of enjoyment as the world teaches. It is a place of eternal torment, weeping and gnashing of teeth. There will be nothing to quench your thirst; nothing to ease the pain of suffering; it is your choice...I made mine and would like to think that you are smart enough to make the right decision...not follow the crowd.

          May 1, 2012 at 8:25 am |
        • Millard

          You will know what fear is...in a big way. Whine all you want now it wont change the ending. I would much rather see you in heaven but since you seem hell bent on doing whatever your perversion wants you to do, the only people you are going to see are those like yourself...the ones who say "I'm not afraid" and will be very frightened. You have yourself a good day.

          July 6, 2012 at 10:05 am |
    • Jason

      That was a really stupid comment. Highly doubtful that you went on a mission anywhere and call anything in the Bible bullying. The Bible tells you how to live. If you don't live according to the Bible, you are a sinner. If you don't believe in sin, then it should not matter to you. No bullying. I am calling you a liar and a stupid one at that.

      April 30, 2012 at 7:02 pm |
      • pbernasc

        u can call me whatever you want, I lived in a mission of nuns for 4 months ... worked with them and built the largest and most known computer school in RDC ... so keep calling me ,.,, I still am not stupid enough to take all what is written as golden words and behave the exactly opposite a Christian is supposed t. Hate is not for Christians .. if the Bibles says to hate .. then the Bible is wrong. Jesus does not ask you to give up your brain in the contrary , it puts in your hand the responsibility to be Christian ... worshiping blindly a book and do the opposite of what the soul of Christianity is, on its name is simply stupid

        April 30, 2012 at 7:21 pm |
    • Dee

      You make a choice to accept God's Word or not.

      April 30, 2012 at 8:01 pm |
      • pbernasc

        no you don't, u accept God, not its words, and surely not blindly. God wants u to make the right choice.
        God gives you its guidance .. u are the Christians, Hating gay people is not Christian .. u know it. SO be Christian , not a bigot.Of course, u need a brain for that

        April 30, 2012 at 8:04 pm |
  12. multispectral

    A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.
    Friedrich Nietzsche

    April 30, 2012 at 6:49 pm |
    • pbernasc

      a part from worshiping stupidity

      April 30, 2012 at 6:51 pm |
    • Cyle

      we meet and medicate a new Jesus every other week.

      April 30, 2012 at 6:53 pm |
    • Al

      Fitting quote to pick to refute Christianity, I guess. Nietzsche died mad as a hatter.

      April 30, 2012 at 7:02 pm |
      • multispectral

        Wasn't a quote refute Christianity, it was a quote illustrating that faith does not necessarily reflect reality, all religions are included. In terms of Nietzsche having a mental when he died, other than being humorous in light of this specific quote, what would be your point?

        April 30, 2012 at 7:07 pm |
    • Textbook Cases

      Yep, and Nietzsche was batshyt crazy by the end of his life.

      April 30, 2012 at 7:10 pm |
      • multispectral

        Your comment, does not cast any doubts on the validity of his quote.

        April 30, 2012 at 7:18 pm |
  13. rico

    So what your all saying is that going off to a land to kill people over their religion is ok. Unless its you. nice.

    April 30, 2012 at 6:48 pm |
    • Jason

      Where did that come from. The bible tells us to respect life. God has not instructed anyone to go to war with anyone else since before Jesus. Nations go to war. The US does not go to war for religious reasons. The Muslims do but this discussion is not about them. Get a clue.

      April 30, 2012 at 7:04 pm |
  14. rueiowt86

    How conveniently CNN hides the full extent of his remarks, and all the words he used to attack the Christians during his presentation.
    Full protection to bullies and haters like gay activists.
    These delicate flowers show the full extent of their perverted ways, what's really in their hearts.
    Political correctness does not fix the evil in the hearts of people.
    And the evil is not in the hearts of true Christians.
    Gays have always been able to do whatever they like, they've always had freedom to do whatever pleases them.
    However, gays can't stand the voice of god whispering in their hearts hour after hour, day after day.
    That voice is deafening, and that's what makes them persecute relentlessly Christianity.

    This gentleman, the subject of this story, does not have the minimum moral standing to attack anyone, for any reason.

    But somehow the minds of the world have already been washed to see these "delicate flowers" as the ultimate personification of good, while Christianity is persecuted as the representation of evil.

    Anyone attacking Christianity on this board does not have the least moral standing to say anything.

    April 30, 2012 at 6:47 pm |
    • Sheila

      Amen

      April 30, 2012 at 6:49 pm |
    • rico

      Gays can do whatever they want? Do you even live in america? Are you really this brainwashed?

      April 30, 2012 at 6:50 pm |
    • NanookoftheNorth

      .....and like 'Sheila', I'll give you another Amen too :-)

      CNN – I found the condescending look on the interviewer's face and the mocking tone of her questions, to be oft-putting. Perhaps next time, you could use someone with more professionalism.

      April 30, 2012 at 6:57 pm |
    • rg500g

      I'll attack any religion that has hate in its DNA (Christianity or Islam or any other) at any time anywhere. I'm straight, white, all that, and not entirely atheist – I'd probably be Buddhist, but Buddhists would say their 'way' is not a religion and they're right. Anyone who does not acknowledge the hage in the foundations of may religions is an outright liar. It's that simple. Aggressive Evangelicals are no better than the Taliban. No difference between an abortion clinic bomber and Taliban. Abortion doctor killer same as Taliban. Such people (hate filled Evangelicals) are the enemy in our midst and must be rooted out by any means. War on Christians – I wish...

      April 30, 2012 at 6:58 pm |
    • rg500g

      I'll attack any religion that has hate in its DNA (Christianity or Islam or any other) at any time anywhere. I'm straight, white, all that, and not entirely atheist – I'd probably be Buddhist, but Buddhists would say their 'way' is not a religion and they're right. Anyone who does not acknowledge the hate in the foundations of many religions is an outright liar. It's that simple. Aggressive Evangelicals are no better than the Taliban. No difference between an abortion clinic bomber and Taliban. Abortion doctor killer same as Taliban. Such people (hate filled Evangelicals) are the enemy in our midst and must be rooted out by any means. War on Christians – I wish...

      April 30, 2012 at 7:01 pm |
    • cherisea

      My dear brother or sister in Christ, it is not that they can't stand the whispering of God, it's that they can not hear God's voice over the horrible shouting of those who follow God, yet preach hate. Perhaps if we toned down the condemnation (that is very evident in your diatribe) those "precious flowers" would actually be able to have a relationship with God, just as you have one with him, despite your certain sins.

      April 30, 2012 at 7:05 pm |
  15. There never was a god

    i fully hate and bully christians every chance i get. i feel like over 2000 years of hate and intolerance warrants a bit of hate returned. if i had my way wed ban every form of religious intolerance this retarded country allows. im sick of the statements endorsing hate and intolerance towards gay people or people of color being tolerated under the guise of freedom of speech. i mean christians make huge deals about anything said that states the truth of their hateful religion, but its okay for fred phelps and his hatemongers to put up god hates f*gs. the hipocrazy is palpable. i wear a shirt in public that says, ya i dont believe in god, and i get the worst looks and its obvious to me that people avoid me, and are prejudiced.

    April 30, 2012 at 6:46 pm |
    • Stacey

      You are a fool, maybe on your deathbed you'll realize that hate inside of you was eating you like cancer.

      April 30, 2012 at 6:48 pm |
    • There never was a god

      nah im pretty comfortable with my stances. im generally happy with my life but hate the hipocrazy of the christian right, and the majority of idiot americans. btw my "cancer' is actually a healthy hatred of intolerance and bigotry.

      April 30, 2012 at 6:52 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Oooh, Stacey haz mad threatening skillz. Whoopee.

      April 30, 2012 at 6:53 pm |
    • Textbook Cases

      If you really are comfortable in your own skin, after typing that sort of hate-filled rant, then you are a psychopath. If you're not, you're a liar. Which is it?

      Although, most psychopaths are also inveterate liars...

      April 30, 2012 at 6:56 pm |
    • Cunny Puncher

      I have to agree with you. I find myself to be quite insulting and mean when it comes to religion. I think it's time to be rude and forceful. For far too long these idiots have made the human existence meaningless and miserable. Religion is for selfish and the cowards. I have no time or need for either of those.

      April 30, 2012 at 6:57 pm |
    • W. R. Martin

      Stacey, your god doesn't exist. Never has. Never will. If you want to mumble at the ceiling every Sunday (or when you die) that's your choice. But please don't try telling others what they will or won't do on their death bed – that's so, well, extremely retarded of you. But then retarded is as retarded does. You just can't get past there being other people who don't believe in your version of the Tooth Fairy and it hurts because you know it isn't true too.

      April 30, 2012 at 6:58 pm |
    • jack

      Tell it preacher!!! bravo

      April 30, 2012 at 7:05 pm |
    • Alex Gessong

      Dude, there is are no Christian conservatives. Conservatives reject what Christ preached. Christ said, "love your neighbor as you love yourself," "treat others as you would like to be treated," and "judge not, lest you be judged." Christ also said "do good to those who persecute you" and "turn the other cheek." Christ said, "be as wise as serpents, but as harmless as doves." Jesus Christ's message is entirely liberal. Conservatives reject it. Personally, I choose to believe that there is a God, and I thank God that there are atheists. Religion is irrational by definition, but can be a source of inner peace. Atheism is a direct result of rational thought and objective observation. Atheism proves that there's hope for our species.

      April 30, 2012 at 7:22 pm |
  16. Panicazi

    No one is ever going to sell a Christian on accepting LGBTs, no LGBT is ever going to accept the Christian position. The way to handle this as Americans and Christians too is to accept that we each have our freedom of choice, and stop trying to change the other. If one or the other wants to entertain the conversation, well that's the personal choice of each to do so or not. As for the rest of you, just shut up.

    April 30, 2012 at 6:46 pm |
    • Darwin

      Lol, nice one

      April 30, 2012 at 6:47 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      No one needs to "sell" anyone. There are millions of Christians who do accept LGBT, and vice versa.

      Or are you falling prey to the "Not true Scotsman" fallacy?

      April 30, 2012 at 6:48 pm |
    • There never was a god

      lol so tolerate the fact that gay people dont have the same rights as christians? im sure you were a big fan of jim crow law as well right? think before you say things stupid.

      April 30, 2012 at 6:48 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "No one is ever going to sell a Christian on accepting LGBTs, no LGBT is ever going to accept the Christian position"

      Not the prejudice and bigotry position but you do know that there are gay churches, gay clergy and many pastors that have stated that being gay as we know and understand it TODAY is not a sin. So you're wrong since there are also gay Christians! LOL!

      April 30, 2012 at 6:49 pm |
    • Alex Gessong

      I am a Christian and I accept people who are LGBT, because they're people, no better or worse than I am. Christ said, "love your neighbor as you love yourself," and "judge not, lest you be judged." Christ's message is all about inclusion, love, and tolerance. Christ didn't shun "sinners," he went among them and preached an ethical philosophy. Anyone who truly believes in Christ's message would have no problem accepting that gay people are first and foremost, people, as worthy of love and respect as everyone else.

      April 30, 2012 at 7:30 pm |
  17. Darwin

    I wrote this prayer after the last NFL season:

    Santa Clause who art in Atlantis
    Hallowed be thy magical flying reigndeer
    Your elves will drum
    On Merlin's bum
    At the North Pole as in the Mall of America
    Give us this day our daily Sports Center
    And forgive me for wiping a booger on my mother in law's couch
    As she is a beyotch
    And lead us not into an embarrassing off-season
    But deliver us from Tebow

    Amen

    And low and behold, the Lord Santa Clause answered my prayer, ridding my team of Tebow which is nothing the Broncos management could possibly have accomplished without his devine intervention!! Prayer works!!

    April 30, 2012 at 6:46 pm |
    • Magic Jew

      ROFL

      Cheers :)

      April 30, 2012 at 6:47 pm |
    • Darwin

      @Magic Jew – Cheers to you Sir, it's almost happy hour in my town.

      April 30, 2012 at 6:50 pm |
    • Syndrome Zed

      Wish your spellchecker did, too, though.
      And FYI, Manning will not be your salvation, he'll be injured two games in with your lame O-line and that'll be that for a pretty darn good QB.

      April 30, 2012 at 6:58 pm |
  18. Patrick Lewis

    "Help! Help! I'm being oppressed... for being a hammer wielding majority for centuries and now people are sick of it!" Can you bible thumpers please get OVER IT! The ignorant in power have been using the words of your Messiah to bludgeon the masses for generations and it trickles down from there to a boy feeling that it's ok to beat on the gay kid at school.

    April 30, 2012 at 6:46 pm |
    • An Fhirinne

      So let's go back centuries to find a reason to bash Christianity? You do realize the hypocrisy of saying it is not right to bully a particular group and then go on to bully a group you don't like, right? I am Christian. I have never bullied a gay person. I have never taunted a gay person. Yet here I see a gay person bullying Christians. So...what was your point again? In fact, I see Christians as a group helping those in need than I see any gay group.

      April 30, 2012 at 6:55 pm |
    • An Fhirinne

      And by the way....I doubt very much that real Christian parents are teaching their children to "go beat on a gay kid". It is more likely Godless people such as yourself.

      In case you have failed to notice, the United States is becoming a much more hateful place. Funny how that seems to coincide with the fact that we are overall a much less religious country.

      April 30, 2012 at 6:59 pm |
    • There never was a god

      so just because you dont bully gays means that all christians done? i mean there were nazis that were just nationalists but does that excuse the holocaust? i mean christians have murdered millions. promoted hatred and intolerance etc. so just because youre a nice person and christians have decided to do somethings over the last hundred years to put an positive public spin on a religion of hatred, and intolerance, doesnt change anything. its like ya the kkk hasnt lynched anyone lately so their okay right? ... just stupid.

      April 30, 2012 at 7:02 pm |
    • An Fhirinne

      Are you American? I mean Americans have murdered hundreds of thousands of people, if not millions. But you are probably one of the good ones....If you are saying my argument is stupid, yours isn't much better. I am sure all gay people are saints, right? (heheh, just saw the pun in that statement...)

      By the way, you are talking about people that WERE NOT Christians. Calling yourself Christian doesn't make you one. You have so much hate inside do you really think that people like you are making the world a better place?? Just bash someone that believes something different? Isn't that the point of this whole discussion?

      Let me ask you, you point out that it would be wrong for a "Christian" to hate, beat up, kill a gay person. Do you feel it would be OK to do those things to a Christian? I mean come on, you say they have killed millions.

      April 30, 2012 at 7:17 pm |
  19. lisa

    Good for him! We have this nonsense shoved down our throat through the ages! Has anyone even met Jesus or whatever? All he was, was a wise man in the old ages and suddenly his word has become the bs that so called Christians shove at us all the time. Get real, think for yourself and stop becoming robots to religion

    April 30, 2012 at 6:45 pm |
    • stop the hate

      You're so hateful! Lisa please stop your intolerance. This world could use more Jesus right now in my eyes...and I'm a secular humanist.

      April 30, 2012 at 6:50 pm |
  20. RichardSRussell

    PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT

    CNN's idiot nannybot will whack your comments if they contain any of a list of about 40 forbidden character strings. Among those character strings is " v a g ", apparently because it appears in " v a g i n a ". As it happens, it also appears in " S a v a g e ", which MAY be a word you've tried to include in your comments. Since I'm on a Mac, I use option-v to replace the "v" in "Sa√age".
     
    BTW, you should also avoid correctly spelled references to the Const¡tuition or similar docµments. Yes, the idiot nannybot will also black-hole those for you.

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