By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor
(CNN) - Columnist and gay-rights advocate Dan Savage is standing by his comment that “we can learn to ignore the bulls**t in the Bible about gay people” at a recent conference for high school students, a line that prompted some to walk out and spurred intense online debate.
In a blog post on Sunday, Savage wrote that his remark at a conference for the Journalism Education Association and the National Scholastic Press Association was "being spun as an attack on Christianity. Which is bullshhh… which is untrue.”
“I was not attacking the faith in which I was raised," Savage wrote. "I was attacking the argument that gay people must be discriminated against — and anti-bullying programs that address anti-gay bullying should be blocked (or exceptions should be made for bullying 'motivated by faith') — because it says right there in the Bible that being gay is wrong.”
Some Christian students walked out of the Seattle speech, prompting another controversial line from Savage: “It’s funny to someone who is on the receiving end of beatings that are justified by the Bible how pansya**ed people react when you push back.”
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Savage apologized for that specific remark in Sunday’s blog post, writing that his word choice “was insulting, it was name-calling, and it was wrong.”
One of the teachers attending the speech with his students told CNN’s Carol Costello on Monday that he was taken aback by the speech and that he supported the decision of some of his students to walk out of it.
“It took a real dark, hostile turn, certainly, as I saw it,” said Rick Tuttle, a teacher at Sutter Union High School in Southern California. “It became very hostile toward Christianity, to the point that many students did walk out, including some of my students.”
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“They felt that they were attacked … a very pointed, direct attack on one particular group of students. It’s amazing that we go to an anti-bullying speech and one group of students is picked on in particular, with harsh, profane language.”
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Ok, we have had many posts along the lines of "I bet he wouldn't say any of that about Islam".
Discrimination against anyone is never justified by your religious belief. Please just admit that it is you that hates gays. If you cannot prove that your god exists, you cannot claim that he hates all the same stuff you do.
It seems you'd have to prove God doesn't exist if you're so insisting on that 'fact'.
You're apparently ignorant, Stacey. One can no more prove God doesn't exist than one can prove leprechauns don't exist.
If this is the first time you've heard that, you need to go back to class and try to stay sober and conscious this time.
LOL, no, if you can't prove there's an actual being up there that hates gays, you have to take full credit for the bigotry.. If you can prove god feels the way you do (first you'd have to prove god exists) then we can say it's a directive from your god.
So, because you can't prove he does exist... then by defult he does not ... is that your logic TomTOM... somebody has been using your head for a TOMTOM.... You can't prove it either way... you can't convinve me that this entire universe is some kind of gaint cosmic accident....
I don't have to convince you, you illiterate dimwit. That would require you were in possession of a working cerebrum.
@A Candid Look: You are right. We can teach you about physics, but we can't make you understand.
Scientific theory is supported by verifiable evidence. Please present any verifiable evidence that your god exists. To insert your "god must have done it" where your understanding of science ends is intellectually dishonest.
Candy doesn't know that the rules of debate are clear: one cannot prove a negative. You are the ones making the claim that there is a god. The onus is on you to prove it.
"Discrimination against anyone is never justified by your religious belief. Please just admit that it is you that hates gays. If you cannot prove that your god exists, you cannot claim that he hates all the same stuff you do."
Discrimination? God tells us marriage is between a man and a woman. Man says marriage is between a man and a man. Now who do you think the Faithful will obey? This isn't OUR decision, it's our LORD'S.
Christians don't hate gays, we love gays. It's their SIN we hate. Get it right.
Your last sentance is painfully illogical. If we could prove God exists (to the extent an atheist would require) then we'd have no need of Faith now, would we? That's why it's called FAITH. We are saved by God's Grace through our FAITH.
@Al – regarding faith.
Why do you suppose religion is the only human endeavor in which faith (belief without evidence) is considered a virtue? Could it be because if it weren't for faith, no sane adult would believe the nonsense religion asks of its flock?
They should have taken his microphone away at that point in his talk and said thank you and now go away!
True, because stiffing free speech is what this country was built on.
Then it's only fair that every time someone with Christian ideals speaks out, that we take away their microphone.
JM, great idea!!
I'm going to start walking into churches and do this every sunday!!
Bob: Actually, that's called stifling hate speech. I thought you guys were in favor of that.
Exactly. And people who claim that would be a violation of free speech don't know what free speech is about. No one asked for this idiot to be arrested. Any private organization can shut off the mike of a bully who's supposed to be giving a talk on anti-bullying.
Just another punk with a big mouth.
like those punks with big mouths who are sure that they know what god wants?
Sam Stone: If you don't know what he wants, he wrote it down for you.
The organizers of this event should be disciplined or sanctioned for not stepping in and taking over. "In-loco-parentis" means that the teachers and organizers are standing in for the parents, and I can't imagine any responsible parent standing by while one group of students is bullied during an anti-bullying lecture. The teachers and organizers in attendance failed in their responsibilities to the students and to their parents.
IMHO these people should face discipline from their local school districts for not acting appropriately.
BTW: I'm an Atheist but believe in tolerance – including tolerance for Christians – and expect a bit more from teachers, event organizers and certainly Scholastic. There will always be boorish idiots like the speaker, but there should be responsible adults (teachers and organizers) who step in when things get out of hand. They failed.
I couldn't disagree with you more. I think more honesty like this is needed and people need to understand that intolerance and hate and violence against gays or anyone can not be justified in any book, including the bible.
Well said. I'm a Christian, but I I agree with you.This was an inappropriate choice for a HS speaker.
Who was bullied, exactly? Were the writers of the Bible in the audience or something? Even then, that's not bullying, but it might be insulting. That someone points out the flaws in the your chosen ancient religious text, well, maybe you shouldn't take it personally, since you didn't write it!
yeah .. shoots anyone who says something you don't like, very Christian behavior
Thanks to Bob and Jeff.. Right on.
I wonder how the LEFT would feel if he slammed the Quo'ran? hmmmm
The Left? How about the muslims??
Hey tear it up. religion is religion, tear it all up.
what has the left to do with this, big mouth?
also, capitalizing it doesn't make you sound any less dumb
He shouldn't have to apologizes. There has been to many bad deeds done in the name of different gods for it to be ignored any longer.
He shouldn't apologize, I agree. That is how he feels. He should have never been allowed to speak to high school students. His speaches should be limited to LGBT events. Nobody else should have to hear him speak about anything. P.S., he needs a good butt kick'n.
Oh don't give me that bullcrap. I can say too many things have been justified in the name of atheism. You have your belief, I have mine. If you want me to respect yours, you better well start respecting mine.
I wonder if you feel the same way about Islam? Thought as much. You both would be on your knees begging.
I'm assuming you had a typical public school education. What about the horrible oppression of communism that has destroyed so many lives and tried to stamp out culture and faith?
"You both would be on your knees begging."
Isn't that the whole point of the monotheistic religion of the middle east? They always feature an angry god who is more like a tyrant than a loving parent
Time for an antichristian revolution. Burn those bibles. Do it now! Time to EVOLVE my fellow citizens.
viva la resistance!
Where's the party?
The Left doesn't believe in religion. Most religions don't believe in gays. All square.
More silly generalizations from Stacy. What a shock.
Yes. YES! Viva La Resistance!!!!!!!
How about let's not.
Be a good lamb Jason.
Your revolution is starting tomorrow. Didn't you hear? The Occupy goons and their Commie friends will be taking to the streets for May Day. PS, they hate Christians too...
Hitler had the same idea. You can read about it in his book, 'My Struggle.' (Notice how he made it all about HIM – typical narcissism)
It is funny how people get upset with Christians voicing their opinions. I believe had this speech been given in a Middle Eastern country the speaker would have been beheaded by now.
right .. which proves we should behead people too, yeah .. let's start with yours .. so at least there is one less brain dead mouth talking
I would support that.
See what you don't understand, is that Christians are always F#$#$&^ voicing their opinions. Keep it your damn self. I do have freedom from your religion right?
@rico- Cry much? Get a tissue.
Wow, did you really say that? Do you not see how much hate and intolerance you are spewing by comments like that? You wonder why people fear Christianity? When countries adopt a religion and follow it without question, we end up with beheadings for speaking our mind. Is this what you want? Is that what Jesus taught you, that free speech is punishable by death?
SO funny to read, Christians who hate and get offended when they are told, hate is not very Christian...
and yet Jesus did say "the first without a sin to throw the first stone".
2000 years later ad no stone has been throw yet .. but by all those who are sinner anyway.
Stop hating what u don't know or don't understand .. I am no gay, can't stand the thought of gays .. (though I don't mind lesbians ;-) ... but I don't hate them and know Jesus would accept them in his home.
Now, I defy any Christians to come here and say that Jesus would ban gay people from his home.
The LGBT community doesn't want tolerance, they just want payback for perceived slights.
What are your qualifications as a mind reader?
Stacy, the left is not tollerant. They are okay with your views as long as they are exactly the same as theirs and that is a fact.
Tom, Stacey is reading the hate-filled comments on this blog. What else is she supposed to think?
And I'm reading her hate-filled spew. Do you think I believe everyone's as big an ass hole as she is?
Right, because being beaten to death or bullied to the point of suicide falls neatly into the category of "perceived slights."
so, stacey, do you ever think before you open that gash?
jason: that is not a fact. that is an opinion., what you describe sounds much more like the i-speak-for-jeebus set
How about the violation of the 4th amendment (equal protection) as one of those "percieved slights", gash?
The typical American has watched the 1-2% (not the 10-20% of population that Hollywood would have you believe) gay population break the law by having judges overturn voters' decisions. It's obnoxious to see militant gay agenda when I see extremely rich gay celebrities living very free lives in a free country. Tired of the whining. One aspect of personality disorder is that things are 'never good enough' for the abuser. Seriously, I will use wire-cutters on my cable if Ellen starts crying and whining again. The manipulation is getting old, and pointedly hateful toward Christianity specifically.
yeah .. if the bible is bullying some kind of people, then it cannot be very surprising, in accordance with with God's teaching that "giving is receiving", that the result is some more bullying.
I am Christian, born and grown up in the most Catholic place of the world, I even went to Africa on a mission for God ... and yet, I know that what is written in the Bible about gay people is nothing less than evil bullying.
So dear Christians .. f@#*@**ing grow up and stop being offended when u r at the receiving end of your own evil giving
So then shouldn't you 'grow up' and quit complaining when you are offended too?
I am not offended nor I am complaining ... I just like to point out the kind of contradictory behavior religious people do all the times ... u receive what you give .. give hate u receive hate. SO it is true the Bible hates gay people .. and therefore it is in full contradiction with God's teaching .. anyone knows that, including all Christians .. unfortunately most bigots don't want to admit it. I do .. the Bible is wrong, God says it ...
The difference is that the offenses Christians commit against gays are reflected in the laws that deprive them of rights.
?? oh so that makes it right?
Then slavery was right too ... wow, I admire your humanity. Hell of Christian you are
YOU....a Christian? Yep....in name only.
and you wold know that how? Oh wait, u do not agree with me therefore u know I cannot be a Christian ... well .. don't be surprised the day u meet me in Hell .. because I have no fear .. how about u?
Be afraid, be very afraid. Hell will not some place of enjoyment as the world teaches. It is a place of eternal torment, weeping and gnashing of teeth. There will be nothing to quench your thirst; nothing to ease the pain of suffering; it is your choice...I made mine and would like to think that you are smart enough to make the right decision...not follow the crowd.
You will know what fear is...in a big way. Whine all you want now it wont change the ending. I would much rather see you in heaven but since you seem hell bent on doing whatever your perversion wants you to do, the only people you are going to see are those like yourself...the ones who say "I'm not afraid" and will be very frightened. You have yourself a good day.
That was a really stupid comment. Highly doubtful that you went on a mission anywhere and call anything in the Bible bullying. The Bible tells you how to live. If you don't live according to the Bible, you are a sinner. If you don't believe in sin, then it should not matter to you. No bullying. I am calling you a liar and a stupid one at that.
u can call me whatever you want, I lived in a mission of nuns for 4 months ... worked with them and built the largest and most known computer school in RDC ... so keep calling me ,.,, I still am not stupid enough to take all what is written as golden words and behave the exactly opposite a Christian is supposed t. Hate is not for Christians .. if the Bibles says to hate .. then the Bible is wrong. Jesus does not ask you to give up your brain in the contrary , it puts in your hand the responsibility to be Christian ... worshiping blindly a book and do the opposite of what the soul of Christianity is, on its name is simply stupid
You make a choice to accept God's Word or not.
no you don't, u accept God, not its words, and surely not blindly. God wants u to make the right choice.
God gives you its guidance .. u are the Christians, Hating gay people is not Christian .. u know it. SO be Christian , not a bigot.Of course, u need a brain for that
A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.
a part from worshiping stupidity
we meet and medicate a new Jesus every other week.
Fitting quote to pick to refute Christianity, I guess. Nietzsche died mad as a hatter.
Wasn't a quote refute Christianity, it was a quote illustrating that faith does not necessarily reflect reality, all religions are included. In terms of Nietzsche having a mental when he died, other than being humorous in light of this specific quote, what would be your point?
Yep, and Nietzsche was batshyt crazy by the end of his life.
Your comment, does not cast any doubts on the validity of his quote.
So what your all saying is that going off to a land to kill people over their religion is ok. Unless its you. nice.
Where did that come from. The bible tells us to respect life. God has not instructed anyone to go to war with anyone else since before Jesus. Nations go to war. The US does not go to war for religious reasons. The Muslims do but this discussion is not about them. Get a clue.
How conveniently CNN hides the full extent of his remarks, and all the words he used to attack the Christians during his presentation.
Full protection to bullies and haters like gay activists.
These delicate flowers show the full extent of their perverted ways, what's really in their hearts.
Political correctness does not fix the evil in the hearts of people.
And the evil is not in the hearts of true Christians.
Gays have always been able to do whatever they like, they've always had freedom to do whatever pleases them.
However, gays can't stand the voice of god whispering in their hearts hour after hour, day after day.
That voice is deafening, and that's what makes them persecute relentlessly Christianity.
This gentleman, the subject of this story, does not have the minimum moral standing to attack anyone, for any reason.
But somehow the minds of the world have already been washed to see these "delicate flowers" as the ultimate personification of good, while Christianity is persecuted as the representation of evil.
Anyone attacking Christianity on this board does not have the least moral standing to say anything.
Gays can do whatever they want? Do you even live in america? Are you really this brainwashed?
.....and like 'Sheila', I'll give you another Amen too :-)
CNN – I found the condescending look on the interviewer's face and the mocking tone of her questions, to be oft-putting. Perhaps next time, you could use someone with more professionalism.
I'll attack any religion that has hate in its DNA (Christianity or Islam or any other) at any time anywhere. I'm straight, white, all that, and not entirely atheist – I'd probably be Buddhist, but Buddhists would say their 'way' is not a religion and they're right. Anyone who does not acknowledge the hage in the foundations of may religions is an outright liar. It's that simple. Aggressive Evangelicals are no better than the Taliban. No difference between an abortion clinic bomber and Taliban. Abortion doctor killer same as Taliban. Such people (hate filled Evangelicals) are the enemy in our midst and must be rooted out by any means. War on Christians – I wish...
I'll attack any religion that has hate in its DNA (Christianity or Islam or any other) at any time anywhere. I'm straight, white, all that, and not entirely atheist – I'd probably be Buddhist, but Buddhists would say their 'way' is not a religion and they're right. Anyone who does not acknowledge the hate in the foundations of many religions is an outright liar. It's that simple. Aggressive Evangelicals are no better than the Taliban. No difference between an abortion clinic bomber and Taliban. Abortion doctor killer same as Taliban. Such people (hate filled Evangelicals) are the enemy in our midst and must be rooted out by any means. War on Christians – I wish...
My dear brother or sister in Christ, it is not that they can't stand the whispering of God, it's that they can not hear God's voice over the horrible shouting of those who follow God, yet preach hate. Perhaps if we toned down the condemnation (that is very evident in your diatribe) those "precious flowers" would actually be able to have a relationship with God, just as you have one with him, despite your certain sins.
i fully hate and bully christians every chance i get. i feel like over 2000 years of hate and intolerance warrants a bit of hate returned. if i had my way wed ban every form of religious intolerance this retarded country allows. im sick of the statements endorsing hate and intolerance towards gay people or people of color being tolerated under the guise of freedom of speech. i mean christians make huge deals about anything said that states the truth of their hateful religion, but its okay for fred phelps and his hatemongers to put up god hates f*gs. the hipocrazy is palpable. i wear a shirt in public that says, ya i dont believe in god, and i get the worst looks and its obvious to me that people avoid me, and are prejudiced.
You are a fool, maybe on your deathbed you'll realize that hate inside of you was eating you like cancer.
nah im pretty comfortable with my stances. im generally happy with my life but hate the hipocrazy of the christian right, and the majority of idiot americans. btw my "cancer' is actually a healthy hatred of intolerance and bigotry.
Oooh, Stacey haz mad threatening skillz. Whoopee.
If you really are comfortable in your own skin, after typing that sort of hate-filled rant, then you are a psychopath. If you're not, you're a liar. Which is it?
Although, most psychopaths are also inveterate liars...
I have to agree with you. I find myself to be quite insulting and mean when it comes to religion. I think it's time to be rude and forceful. For far too long these idiots have made the human existence meaningless and miserable. Religion is for selfish and the cowards. I have no time or need for either of those.
Stacey, your god doesn't exist. Never has. Never will. If you want to mumble at the ceiling every Sunday (or when you die) that's your choice. But please don't try telling others what they will or won't do on their death bed – that's so, well, extremely retarded of you. But then retarded is as retarded does. You just can't get past there being other people who don't believe in your version of the Tooth Fairy and it hurts because you know it isn't true too.
Tell it preacher!!! bravo
Dude, there is are no Christian conservatives. Conservatives reject what Christ preached. Christ said, "love your neighbor as you love yourself," "treat others as you would like to be treated," and "judge not, lest you be judged." Christ also said "do good to those who persecute you" and "turn the other cheek." Christ said, "be as wise as serpents, but as harmless as doves." Jesus Christ's message is entirely liberal. Conservatives reject it. Personally, I choose to believe that there is a God, and I thank God that there are atheists. Religion is irrational by definition, but can be a source of inner peace. Atheism is a direct result of rational thought and objective observation. Atheism proves that there's hope for our species.
No one is ever going to sell a Christian on accepting LGBTs, no LGBT is ever going to accept the Christian position. The way to handle this as Americans and Christians too is to accept that we each have our freedom of choice, and stop trying to change the other. If one or the other wants to entertain the conversation, well that's the personal choice of each to do so or not. As for the rest of you, just shut up.
Lol, nice one
No one needs to "sell" anyone. There are millions of Christians who do accept LGBT, and vice versa.
Or are you falling prey to the "Not true Scotsman" fallacy?
lol so tolerate the fact that gay people dont have the same rights as christians? im sure you were a big fan of jim crow law as well right? think before you say things stupid.
"No one is ever going to sell a Christian on accepting LGBTs, no LGBT is ever going to accept the Christian position"
Not the prejudice and bigotry position but you do know that there are gay churches, gay clergy and many pastors that have stated that being gay as we know and understand it TODAY is not a sin. So you're wrong since there are also gay Christians! LOL!
I am a Christian and I accept people who are LGBT, because they're people, no better or worse than I am. Christ said, "love your neighbor as you love yourself," and "judge not, lest you be judged." Christ's message is all about inclusion, love, and tolerance. Christ didn't shun "sinners," he went among them and preached an ethical philosophy. Anyone who truly believes in Christ's message would have no problem accepting that gay people are first and foremost, people, as worthy of love and respect as everyone else.
I wrote this prayer after the last NFL season:
Santa Clause who art in Atlantis
Hallowed be thy magical flying reigndeer
Your elves will drum
On Merlin's bum
At the North Pole as in the Mall of America
Give us this day our daily Sports Center
And forgive me for wiping a booger on my mother in law's couch
As she is a beyotch
And lead us not into an embarrassing off-season
But deliver us from Tebow
And low and behold, the Lord Santa Clause answered my prayer, ridding my team of Tebow which is nothing the Broncos management could possibly have accomplished without his devine intervention!! Prayer works!!
@Magic Jew – Cheers to you Sir, it's almost happy hour in my town.
Wish your spellchecker did, too, though.
And FYI, Manning will not be your salvation, he'll be injured two games in with your lame O-line and that'll be that for a pretty darn good QB.
"Help! Help! I'm being oppressed... for being a hammer wielding majority for centuries and now people are sick of it!" Can you bible thumpers please get OVER IT! The ignorant in power have been using the words of your Messiah to bludgeon the masses for generations and it trickles down from there to a boy feeling that it's ok to beat on the gay kid at school.
So let's go back centuries to find a reason to bash Christianity? You do realize the hypocrisy of saying it is not right to bully a particular group and then go on to bully a group you don't like, right? I am Christian. I have never bullied a gay person. I have never taunted a gay person. Yet here I see a gay person bullying Christians. So...what was your point again? In fact, I see Christians as a group helping those in need than I see any gay group.
And by the way....I doubt very much that real Christian parents are teaching their children to "go beat on a gay kid". It is more likely Godless people such as yourself.
In case you have failed to notice, the United States is becoming a much more hateful place. Funny how that seems to coincide with the fact that we are overall a much less religious country.
so just because you dont bully gays means that all christians done? i mean there were nazis that were just nationalists but does that excuse the holocaust? i mean christians have murdered millions. promoted hatred and intolerance etc. so just because youre a nice person and christians have decided to do somethings over the last hundred years to put an positive public spin on a religion of hatred, and intolerance, doesnt change anything. its like ya the kkk hasnt lynched anyone lately so their okay right? ... just stupid.
Are you American? I mean Americans have murdered hundreds of thousands of people, if not millions. But you are probably one of the good ones....If you are saying my argument is stupid, yours isn't much better. I am sure all gay people are saints, right? (heheh, just saw the pun in that statement...)
By the way, you are talking about people that WERE NOT Christians. Calling yourself Christian doesn't make you one. You have so much hate inside do you really think that people like you are making the world a better place?? Just bash someone that believes something different? Isn't that the point of this whole discussion?
Let me ask you, you point out that it would be wrong for a "Christian" to hate, beat up, kill a gay person. Do you feel it would be OK to do those things to a Christian? I mean come on, you say they have killed millions.
Good for him! We have this nonsense shoved down our throat through the ages! Has anyone even met Jesus or whatever? All he was, was a wise man in the old ages and suddenly his word has become the bs that so called Christians shove at us all the time. Get real, think for yourself and stop becoming robots to religion
You're so hateful! Lisa please stop your intolerance. This world could use more Jesus right now in my eyes...and I'm a secular humanist.
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