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April 30th, 2012
12:24 PM ET

Columnist Dan Savage stands by comments on 'bulls**t in the Bible'

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

(CNN) - Columnist and gay-rights advocate Dan Savage is standing by his comment that “we can learn to ignore the bulls**t in the Bible about gay people” at a recent conference for high school students, a line that prompted some to walk out and spurred intense online debate.

In a blog post on Sunday, Savage wrote that his remark at a conference for the Journalism Education Association and the National Scholastic Press Association was "being spun as an attack on Christianity. Which is bullshhh… which is untrue.”

“I was not attacking the faith in which I was raised," Savage wrote. "I was attacking the argument that gay people must be discriminated against — and anti-bullying programs that address anti-gay bullying should be blocked (or exceptions should be made for bullying 'motivated by faith') — because it says right there in the Bible that being gay is wrong.”

Some Christian students walked out of the Seattle speech, prompting another controversial line from Savage: “It’s funny to someone who is on the receiving end of beatings that are justified by the Bible how pansya**ed people react when you push back.”

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Savage apologized for that specific remark in Sunday’s blog post, writing that his word choice “was insulting, it was name-calling, and it was wrong.”

One of the teachers attending the speech with his students told CNN’s Carol Costello on Monday that he was taken aback by the speech and that he supported the decision of some of his students to walk out of it.

“It took a real dark, hostile turn, certainly, as I saw it,” said Rick Tuttle, a teacher at Sutter Union High School in Southern California. “It became very hostile toward Christianity, to the point that many students did walk out, including some of my students.”

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“They felt that they were attacked … a very pointed, direct attack on one particular group of students. It’s amazing that we go to an anti-bullying speech and one group of students is picked on in particular, with harsh, profane language.”

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  1. Voice of Reason

    Natural Selection will dissolve the religious mutant gene eventually.

    May 1, 2012 at 1:32 pm |
    • vernonica davidson

      Natural selection will do that for gays – since they can't reproduce.

      May 1, 2012 at 1:34 pm |
    • Ed

      or just yours.

      May 1, 2012 at 1:36 pm |
    • momoya

      LOL!! You don't see the problem with that logic?!?!? HAHAHAHAHAAHHA

      May 1, 2012 at 1:37 pm |
    • momoya

      To Veronica

      May 1, 2012 at 1:38 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @veronica
      Uhm – gays are physiologically capable of reproducing.
      There are quite a number of children for whom daddy was a turkey baster and Mommy is hetero.
      Surrogate mothers are just as much an option for gay male couples as for hetero couples.

      May 1, 2012 at 2:05 pm |
    • Primewonk

      Vernonica wrote, " Natural selection will do that for gays – since they can't reproduce."

      This is yet more evidence that you choose to be ignorant about the science of evolution. Sure, you have every right to be as ignorant as you want, but wearing that ignorance as a badge of honor is just sad.

      May 1, 2012 at 2:28 pm |
    • True 'dat

      Doc,
      "There are quite a number of children for whom daddy was a turkey baster and Mommy is hetero."

      Mommy doesn't even have to be hetero. Gay women are quite capable of being inseminated too.

      ------------------–

      vernonica,

      Gay folks came from hetero parents, ya' know.

      May 1, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
  2. gen

    Concerning atheism and mass murder, Christian apologist Gregory Koukl wrote that "the assertion is that religion has caused most of the killing and bloodshed in the world.

    There are people who make accusations and assertions that are empirically false. This is one of them.

    " Koukl details the number of people killed in various events involving theism and compares them to the much higher tens of millions of people killed under communist atheistic regimes.

    It has been estimated that in less than the past 100 years, governments under the banner of communism have caused the death of somewhere between 40,472,000 to 259,432,000 human lives.

    Dr. R. J. Rummel, professor emeritus of political science at the University of Hawaii, is the scholar who first coined the term democide (death by government). Dr. R. J. Rummel's mid estimate regarding the loss of life due to communism is that communism caused the death of approximately 110,286,000 people between 1917 and 1987

    Atheists are well known for hiding the truth by their vacuous babble

    May 1, 2012 at 1:20 pm |
    • Jacques Strappe, World Famous French Ball Juggler

      The fact is, it doesn't matter if there is religion, there will always be murder.
      However, please note that dictators like Stalin and Pol Pot did not kill people in the name of atheism. They viewed themselves as gods. So really, they were just following in the example of the god of the Old Testament. How come it's wrong for Stalin to wipe out a bunch of innocent people for what he thought was the greater good for his country and his people but it is okay for God to do that in Egypt and other various instances?

      May 1, 2012 at 1:38 pm |
  3. martog

    Ten Reasons You Know you are an Atheist.
    1. You were likely brought up a theist (probably a Christian if you live in the USA) and had to do your own thinking to rise above the beliefs that still occupy the mind of the believer. This usually involved being smart and working hard at school and college so as to get a good, accurate view of the natural Universe and overcoming significant social pressure to dumb yourself down and conform. In short, you had the guts to ask the hard questions and the brains to spot the weak answers. The more you came to understand the Universe, the less reason there was to believe in a god and the more you came to appreciate human nature, the more you understood why billions of us still do.
    2. While rejecting the supernatural elements of the Bible, you nevertheless retain a large amount of the morality taught today by mainstream Christianity. To the extent you reject Christian morality, it is where it is mean spirited – such as in the way it seeks to curtail freedoms or oppose the rights of $exual minorities. In most other respects, your basic moral outlook is indistinguishable from that of the liberal Christian – you just don’t need the mother of all carrots and sticks hanging over your head in order to act in a manner that you consider moral.
    3. You know a great deal more about the Bible than most believers. This is because you took the time to read it yourself and did not rely on the primary-color simple stories you learned in Sunday school. You have also probably done some research into the historical Jesus and have a good handle on where he REALLY fit in to the broader picture of the Middle East at the time. Needless to say, his miracles and other magic powers soon started to look pretty unlikely.
    4. Your knowledge of basic science and history is much stronger than that of your average believer. You likely have a basic working knowledge of physics, astronomy, evolutionary biology and cosmology and a good idea of the history of life on this planet. This acc.umulated knowledge puts you in a position to judge the claims of the Bible in a critical light and they are almost always found wanting. To the theist, this makes you “elitist” and ‘arrogant”.
    5. You relish your role as a religious minority in the USA, as this gives you an impetus to fight and you understand how others with unpopular, but doubtlessly correct views have felt throughout history. There is something altogether satisfying to you about having a deep conviction you are right and being viewed with disdain for your views by the errant majority. You feel a quiet confidence that future generations will look back on you as a member of a class of trailblazers, as religious supersti.tions go into inevitable decline in popularity.
    6. You are likely more environmentally aware than your theist friends and colleagues and unlikely to fall for claims of industry and wind-bag politicians concerning the impact of man’s activities on the environment. You could no more act in an environmentally irresponsible manner because “god will keep us safe” than you could jump of a ship, believing King Neptune will keep you safe.
    7. You generally have a live and let live atti.tude, but will fiercely defend any attempts by theists to thrust their views on you or your children, directly or through control of school boards, the legislature or the executive. While you are prepared to debate and argue passionately with the theist on an intellectual level, you would never wish them harm or ill will. You know you are likely to be smugly told you will “burn in hell for all eternity” for your healthy skepticism. This highlights what you despise about religion, as you would not wish a bad sunburn on another, simply because they have a different religious view to you. You have never heard of an evolutionary biologist strapping a bomb to himself and running into a church yelling “Darwin-u akbar”.
    8. You likely know more about other religions than your average theist. This makes you less fearful of them and enables you to see parallels. You realize that, if you were born in India, you would have been brought up with a totally different religion. You realize that every culture that has ever existed has had its own god(s) and they always favor that particular culture, its hopes, dreams and prejudices. They cannot all exist and you see the error all faiths make of thinking only theirs exist(s). This “rising above” the regional nature of all religions was probably instrumental in your achieving atheism.
    9. You likely have a deep, genuine appreciation of the fathomless beauty and unbelievable complexity of our Universe, from the 4 nucleotides that orchestrate every aspect of you, through to the distant quasars, without having to think it was all made for you. You likely get more out of being the irrelevant ant staring up at the cosmos than you do in having to pretend that it was all made to turn in majestic black-and-white pirouette about you.
    10. While you have a survival instinct, you cannot fear death in the way the theist does. You know that the whole final judgment story, where you may be sent to hell if you fail, is Dark Ages nonsense meant to keep the Church’s authority. You also know that you were dead for 13,700,000,000 years before you were born. It is impossible for you to fear death, for the simple reason that you know the capacity to fear (or to feel pain or discomfort) itself dies. You will not even know you are dead. Fear of death is as meaningless to you as is the fear of a vacuum, the fear of not being born. You feel a lot more secure, and indeed a deep comfort, in this knowledge, than you would in trying to yoke yourself to some quasi-hope that every part of your intellect tells you is untenable.

    May 1, 2012 at 1:11 pm |
    • Nonimus

      You may have missed that the effectiveness of "Top Ten" lists is partially in their brevity.

      May 1, 2012 at 1:14 pm |
    • media_mutters

      Atheists point of view:
      #1 In the beginning there was nothing. Then BANG! Nothing blew up and created everything!
      From nothing, came Laws and order. (Laws: physics, natural, logic etc.).

      Or

      #2 The universe always existed. NO "Science" proved it had beginning as galaxies move apart.
      Back to statement #1.

      Or

      #3 According to Hawkins. Gravity fields created the Universe. What created gravity in the first place?
      Back to #1.

      Or

      #4 Lots of Time and lots of chances: 10 x 10 to the 1,000,000,000,000,000 power chances + billions upon billion of years "created" all that is seen. Mathematically impossible. Even if there were the most remote chance of being true, then why hasn't anyting suddenly appeared? Time and chance still marches on. Darn Back to #1.

      Or

      #5 They must be intellictually honest with themselves (and they're not) how does one go from non-life to life?
      There were no scientists around to witness creation, it cannot be measured or recreated in a lab. So you have
      "Theory, Conjecture, Extrapulation you know down right good home made science a/k/a guess work.
      Or
      They really hate this one:
      In the beginning, GOD created the heavens and the earth Genisis 1:1.

      May 1, 2012 at 1:17 pm |
    • media_mutters

      The fact is, the universe started with the big bang. Now, the big bang was an infinitely small point of energy which was setting in empty space………… no, wait, space is a product of the universe so there was no empty space…… hmmm. Well anyway, at a certain point in time the point of energy exploded ……….. well actually time is also a product of the universe so it couldn’t have happened at a point in time.

      OK, skip that. You’ll just have to take my word for it, a countless number of impossible accidental coincidences occurred and a perfectly working universe was formed with no intelligence whatsoever to cause it.

      Oh yeah, that’s how it happened alright.
      Atheists who take time out of their day to express their rampant incredulity about religion to others make a lot of poorly constructed arguments…while some of their arguments are simply outright lies.

      May 1, 2012 at 1:19 pm |
    • just sayin

      Praying is evidence of psychosis....

      May 1, 2012 at 1:21 pm |
    • momoya

      The Reasonable Point of View on the Universe and Wonder (Not the 'atheist' point of view);

      1. As far as we can look back, there was a small dense point of energy, but we don't know where it came from or what caused it to begin expanding.. Smart people say it when they don't know an answer; they don't make up stupid words like "big magic sky daddy did it by casting spells!!"

      2. We have no idea if this universe has always existed or whether it will last forever or not.. Smart people say it when they don't know an answer; they don't make up stupid words like "big magic sky daddy did it by casting spells!!"

      3. Gravity fields did not "create" the universe; gravity fields provided a rigid structure for the matter and energy of the universe to coalesce around..

      4. If our universe is the product of some larger mechanism that spits out trillions of universes with slight variations in physical constants, then it only follows that some of them are going to be more like our and some of them will be less like ours.. If the number of universes is very high, then a universe like this one is all but guaranteed.. We wouldn't witness this happening because we can only see what's in our universe, not what happens in other universes

      5. We don't know how life got started, but it obviously did.. Smart people say it when they don't know an answer; they don't make up stupid words like "big magic sky daddy did it by casting spells!!" We do know the mechanism by which life changes over time; this process is called evolution and we witness it happen in hundreds of labs across the globe thousands of times each day.. Also, we have genetic maps that prove the distance between any two living things on this planet..

      6. I don't hate anything written in a myth that can't be proven and that science indicates isn't true.. I do hate ignorance, though, and most people who believe in fairy tales are very ignorant and do not use logical reasoning in whole sections of their brains–that's bad.

      May 1, 2012 at 1:26 pm |
    • Give me a break

      11. You are self-deluded into believing the other ten reasons are based on evidence and fact.
      12. You are so much smarter than anyone else that you do not know anything for certain.

      May 1, 2012 at 1:26 pm |
    • LiveInHoth

      From memory, write down all of the ten commandments, the books of the bible and maybe 10 memory verses. I'm just curious how much more about the bible you know than the average christian.

      May 1, 2012 at 1:28 pm |
    • martog

      Obviously, the truth hurts, as my post sure as sh-t hit the mark. Allthoe I am doubting most of you(religious regurgitators) read it, and even fewer understood it.

      May 1, 2012 at 1:33 pm |
    • momoya

      @ media mutters

      Yes, according to the laws of physics and what we witness with our telescopes, we conclude with a very high degree of probability (around 99.99999999999999% or so?) that the universe produced its own time and space.. It's not a problem if you understand the physical laws involved.

      What do you mean by "impossible accidents?". It's not an "impossible accident" if it exists, no matter how unlikely.. I have a really big tree in my yard that I'm looking at through my window.. For the past 5-7 days it has been releasing billions of tiny, fluffy, white seeds that float in the air–some of them float all the way down the road (about an eighth of a mile or so) and some of them drop where they are and some of them float out of my sight.. They're tiny enough and with a geometry suited for wind current travel enough that they could go for miles in a heavy wind (which we had last week).. Now, how many of those seeds will produce a tree?? Probably none, right?. Probably none since that seed needs to somehow land in the perfect soil with perfect moisture content with perfect nutrition without any rain for a week or so but with proper temperature controls and so on and so on and so on.. BUT, obviously one in a million or maybe just one in ten million find that perfect spot to grow because those trees exist.. The tree is playing a numbers game and 99.999999% of its seeds are wasted, but still one of those millions of seeds might just find a way.. Why can't universes be like that?

      May 1, 2012 at 1:34 pm |
    • s.michael Evans

      You are quite wrong. You may some day understand that many things are not provable. You already accept by faith the age of the world, something coming from nothing , and other non – provable things. Search for the truth no matter where it takes you. Forget your prejudice, seek the truth.

      May 1, 2012 at 1:36 pm |
    • momoya

      @michael s evans since I have no idea who you're talking to.

      Quite wrong about what? Why?

      Most things aren't provable.. We use the best data available at the time and explain the most efficient way it all fits together.. We use verifiable techniques to date the universe and understand which forces appeared when and how they separated from each other.. Scientists just don't mutter "big magic sky daddy made it all by casting spells" because it doesn't get them better results on their experiments or get the results in half the time or anything like that.

      May 1, 2012 at 1:42 pm |
    • Nemoque

      You need to add another charateristic, "irrational arrogance."

      May 1, 2012 at 1:43 pm |
    • Zag

      In order for someone who believes in no after life to not fear death, they must have never loved anyone in their entire lives; because if you have ever felt for anyone the way I (and many many other people) do about my wife and family you couldn't bear the thought of dissolving into nothingness.

      Heck, the very fact that you believe you will cease to exist at death would seem to cause more fear of dying than anything else. You know the saying "there are no atheists in foxholes"? It might be cliche but it exists for a reason, because it's true. When those last moments seem to come it is human nature to look to a higher power for salvation and hope for something more than dying alone in a hole on the battlefield. It is the very nature of human kind to believe in a higher power and create religion. In fact, it runs contrary to normal human behavior to be an atheist.

      May 1, 2012 at 1:48 pm |
    • *facepalm*

      @Zag, so you believe in an afterlife because you can't cope with death. I don't believe in stuff because it makes me feel better. I can accept the nature of our reality and choose to live life in a happy and productive way. When death comes, it comes, and the people who die before me will live on in my memory.

      If you want to actually learn about people who do not fear death and who do not believe in an after life I would suggest Sagan's 'Billions and Billions'. Accepting that we are an infinitesimal and inconsequential part of this universe really isn't as bad as believers make it out to be – you just have to get over the self-delusion that you're more important than you really are.

      May 1, 2012 at 1:57 pm |
    • Zag

      Also, in regards to the randomness of life forming without outside influence. Lets take hemoglobin, a relatively small protein that is necessary for life. It has two groups of chains of amino acids made of 141 and 146 aas each. Now the chances of those coming together in the right sequence with a random assortment of the 22 standard amino acids would be almost beyond impossible. However, you also have to take into account that the DNA sequence requires chains of 3 nucleotides to code for each amino acid that must have first come together in the exact right sequence for the protein to be created.

      Then you also have to ask yourself what came first? The DNA or the dozens of proteins that replicate the DNA; because if the DNA was first it would have simply dissolved in a matter of hours without the proper replication and protection enzymes. However, if those enzymes came first they would also dissolve fairly quickly without the protection of a cell membrane and functioning DNA.

      The odds of this happening are so large (many billions to 1) that they have a statistically zero probability of happening regardless of time. It doesn't matter if you believe it was God or space aliens, but it is asenine to believe in life coming about by random chance.

      May 1, 2012 at 2:00 pm |
    • momoya

      @Zag

      1. Stupid; as in absolutely fvcking ridiculous: In order for someone who believes in no after life to not fear death, they must have never loved anyone in their entire lives
      2. Desirability has no bearing on fact.. Nobody wants to die, but we all believe in death; many people can't bear the thought of death, but they all die anyway.. A person's thoughts on what they can and can't bear is irrelevant: because if you have ever felt for anyone the way I (and many many other people) do about my wife and family you couldn't bear the thought of dissolving into nothingness.
      3. FAIL.. If you know that at death experience ceases and there is no all good or all bad afterlife death ceases to have any meaning.. Nobody knows what happens when you die, but probably there's nothing–just like before you were born.. You can live with that, can't you?!?:Heck, the very fact that you believe you will cease to exist at death would seem to cause more fear of dying than anything else.
      4. Asinine a.ssumption that simply isn't true.. We know of thousands of atheists who have died and never reached out to any divine being.. When you don't believe in a thing, you don't act like it's there or can hear you.. That's how nonbelief works: You know the saying "there are no atheists in foxholes"? It might be cliche but it exists for a reason, because it's true.
      5. Yes, it is human nature to want a comfort object that can help us to worry less.. Desirability has no bearing on existence.. Something doesn't exist just because you want it to exist:When those last moments seem to come it is human nature to look to a higher power for salvation and hope for something more than dying alone in a hole on the battlefield. It is the very nature of human kind to believe in a higher power and create religion.
      6. FAIL.. If you have the facts at your disposal it make BETTER sense to be an atheist rather than believe in a god who makes stupid plans that have to be corrected by much death, pain, and suffering–some of it eternal at god's own hands for his own pleasure: In fact, it runs contrary to normal human behavior to be an atheist.

      May 1, 2012 at 2:02 pm |
    • momoya

      @Zag

      1. Nobody believes that life formed randomly.. That's stupid.
      2. You have no idea what you're talking about in regards to hemoglobin.. Evolution doesn't happen in isolation.. Isn't it obvious?!?
      3. We don't have to ask ourselves which came first, we just have to look at the genetic trail of evidence.. We might not know the answer, but it's not guesswork.. If we don't know, we say so and leave it open for science to reconsider until we get some usable data.. We don't just say "god did it by magic spells," since that doesn't lead to better experiments or results or get them faster or anything like that.
      4. Billion to one odds are pretty good for the one that gets it right.. Besides, if life really is "a billion to one" then our universe is teeming with life all over the place.. Do you know how many "billions" of stars or planets there are?!?!?. "Billion to one" is actually very good in this case.
      5. Ummmm nobody is saying that life came from chance.. That's precisely what NOBODY is saying.

      May 1, 2012 at 2:07 pm |
    • Primewonk

      @ Media_Matters – Like many fundiots, you bizarrely confound cosmology, abiogenesis, and evolution. You also demonstrated that you are profoundly ignorant about the sciences of cosmology, abiogenesis, and evolution. You repost proto-typival creationist lies, even though these lies have been explained to you numerous times before, and you have been given the actual real facts and evidence.

      Is it pleasing to your god to watch you fundiots repeatedly lie in his name?

      May 1, 2012 at 3:02 pm |
  4. vernonica davidson

    The hate spewed by the radical leftist activists who support this man says it all.

    They themselves are not tolerant. And they are the bullies.

    I warned my kids about people like this. Suggest others do the same.

    Resist we much. Very much. Because these are dangerous people.

    May 1, 2012 at 1:07 pm |
    • momoya

      I don't think you should denigrate a person because of those that support him..

      Let's think about what Sa.v.age actually said:

      1. Christians don't follow the bible verses that promote sla.very or k.i.lling your children if they disobey etc
      2. Because christians don't follow the bible on those verses, perhaps they should not follow the g.a.y bashing ones a few lines down.
      3. He described their BEHAVIOR and later apologized for that remark.

      What was so wrong with those three things?

      May 1, 2012 at 1:09 pm |
    • jamal

      the bible has many errors but it should not be disrespected under any costs as in its original form it was the word of GOD.
      It is encouraged that we all should read the Koran as it offers the same perspective but is more authentic . Many Christians and Jews have reverted to Islam because they feel its the continuation of the same religion and belief in the same god.

      When Koran is read by its meaning there is no doubt that it truely is the word of God .

      May 1, 2012 at 1:11 pm |
    • Mark from Middle River

      Momo. There are interpretations of the scripture and because people of Faith are not of the same thought on those Scriptures we have different denominations and sects even within them. I can understand what you are saying but it is attempting to label all Christians with only a single interpretation of the Bible.We have Gay and Lesbian clergy and church leaders so a mass attack sounds a bit silly.

      May 1, 2012 at 1:20 pm |
    • vernonica davidson

      His message went WAY beyond what we most can agree on: gays should not be bullied because the Bible says being gay is wrong.

      No one should be bullied. But DO NOT shove radial your agenda down my throat or my children's and DO NOT attack my religion. You CANNOT make the rest of us condone your behavior. You can and should expect to be left alone – not hassled. But I and my children are free to continue to think your behavior is immoral. This is a FREE country.

      May 1, 2012 at 1:28 pm |
    • momoya

      Veronica, you didn't answer my questions.. Here they are again:

      Let's think about what Sa.v.age actually said:

      1. Christians don't follow the bible verses that promote sla.very or k.i.lling your children if they disobey etc
      2. Because christians don't follow the bible on those verses, perhaps they should not follow the g.a.y bashing ones a few lines down.
      3. He described their BEHAVIOR and later apologized for that remark.

      What was so wrong with those three things?.

      May 1, 2012 at 1:39 pm |
    • s.michael Evans

      You are correct!!

      May 1, 2012 at 1:40 pm |
    • momoya

      What a useless comment, michael.. We don't even know who it's direct towards.

      May 1, 2012 at 1:43 pm |
  5. media_mutters

    Misery loves company and they are no longer happy with telling people about their lifestyle; now they bully and shame our young people into thinking they are bigots if they don't tolerate, accept, or be part of their sick sins. Sad

    May 1, 2012 at 1:01 pm |
    • Jacques Strappe, World Famous French Ball Juggler

      I hope you don't have any clothes that have two different types of fabric meshed together. That's a sin according to the Bible.

      May 1, 2012 at 1:09 pm |
    • sam stone

      When these people have equal civil rights as straight people (including me), then you might have a point. Until the, you are wrapping your bigotry in a cloak of piety.

      May 1, 2012 at 1:11 pm |
    • media_mutters

      @jacque

      What you don't know makes you who you are. I feel bad for you and what you have become. A useful idiot and nothing more.

      May 1, 2012 at 1:14 pm |
    • momoya

      Hmmm And that 's the way I feel about you.

      May 1, 2012 at 1:46 pm |
    • Jacques Strappe, World Famous French Ball Juggler

      Well, it's in the Bible. I love how you can't refute it. All you can do is call names.

      May 1, 2012 at 1:47 pm |
    • chipndale

      ;-P I just bullied every posting on here.

      May 1, 2012 at 1:49 pm |
  6. Fred

    LOL Farrakhan calls for assassination and this guy is worried about Christians.

    May 1, 2012 at 1:01 pm |
    • momoya

      What an absolutely stupid comment.. I can't imagine the dumb reasoning you'd have to go through to post something that retarded.. good luck on the rest of life.

      May 1, 2012 at 1:07 pm |
  7. Fred

    He should focus his hate on his fellow Gay Obama who is making a fool of himself daily.

    May 1, 2012 at 1:00 pm |
  8. Jacques Strappe, World Famous French Ball Juggler

    This is tame compared to what he usually says to get a rise out of people. I can't really disagree with any of his sentiments except I think he should have taken the high road and not name-called the people who walked out.

    May 1, 2012 at 1:00 pm |
  9. JohnJMac

    Wow, a gay liberal who turns out to be an anti-Christian bully! Shocker!

    May 1, 2012 at 12:58 pm |
    • momoya

      Let's think about what Sa.v.age actually said:

      1. Christians don't follow the bible verses that promote sla.very or k.i.lling your children if they disobey etc
      2. Because christians don't follow the bible on those verses, perhaps they should not follow the g.a.y bashing ones a few lines down.
      3. He described their BEHAVIOR and later apologized for that remark.

      What was so wrong with those three things?.

      May 1, 2012 at 1:06 pm |
    • Nemoque

      Although it seems fhat some of these Atheists claim to know more about the Bible and its interpretation than Christian scholars, they don't. They have no hermeneutical principle of interpretation, but they just pick and choose Bible verses. If they actually wanted to understand Christianity or the Scriptures, they would discuss it or debate it with people that do such things for a living. It is easy to attack children.

      May 1, 2012 at 1:50 pm |
    • momoya

      @Nemoque

      How was it determined that bible believers should not follow some verses in the OT law but should follow others?. If you can point me to a biblical mechanism that, when applied to those verses, it shows a clear division between say "killing your child for disobedience" and "honoring the lord thy god with all your heart and mind and soul," then I'll reconsider my stance.

      May 1, 2012 at 2:09 pm |
    • Primewonk

      Nemoque wrote, "They have no hermeneutical principle of interpretation, but they just pick and choose Bible verses. If they actually wanted to understand Christianity or the Scriptures, they would discuss it or debate it with people that do such things for a living."

      So why doesn't this hold true for christians who choose to be ignorant about the science of se.xual orientation? We have tons of evidence that orientation is innate and you don't choose to be gay. Yet how often do we see you folks post that gays choose to be gay?

      The same holds true for the sciences of cosmology, abiogenesis, and evolution. Why do fundiots choose to be ignorant about science and instead post and repost the same tired lies?

      Also, when your bible says something like, " If a man has se.xual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death" Exactly how should this be spun so that when your god commands you to kill gay folks, he doesn't really mean he commands you to kill gay folks?

      May 1, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
  10. nick

    That book and all like it are trash written by sand people thousands of years ago.Let the mental chains of religion go so you can stop paying for some dude to ride a big new Cadillac.

    May 1, 2012 at 12:58 pm |
    • chipndale

      2 thumbs up!!

      May 1, 2012 at 1:51 pm |
  11. Fred

    I bet this fairy loves the Muslims who stone and behead Gays.....

    May 1, 2012 at 12:58 pm |
    • Jacques Strappe, World Famous French Ball Juggler

      No, he hates them too. However, most people in America are considered Christians so that's why he chose to beat up on the Bible. I love how you can't discredit anything he says so you resort to name calling.

      May 1, 2012 at 1:02 pm |
    • chipndale

      I just wanna revert to the 3rd grade and call Fred a "red kneck". Hewwww, I fell so much bigger now.

      May 1, 2012 at 1:53 pm |
    • Primewonk

      @ Fred – It isn't the fundiot Muslims here in the US beating, bash, and discriminating against gay folks. Nor is it fundiot Jews, fundiot Wiccans, fundiot Hindus, fundiot Buddhists, fundiot Pagans, etc. No, it is the ignorant fundiot Christians.

      If ignorant fundiots of some other religious stripe would be trying to pass laws and amendments legalizing discrimination against gay folks, I have no doubt that Sav.age would come down just as hard. Just like on these various threads, those who advocate hate and discrimination are overwhelmingly fundiot Christians. Sure there have been a couple fundiot Muslims, and to be fair, they have received the same attention as you cretins.

      By the way, your Muslim cousins (you worship the exact same god) are just following the commands of your god. Your god has given you fundiots the same commands to kill gay folks. You fundiots just choose to ignore that command. So who do you think your god will be more "well pleased" with? Your cousins, the Muslims who obey him? Or you cretins who thumb your noses at him?

      May 1, 2012 at 3:46 pm |
  12. media_mutters

    I've always wondered why liberals stand up for Islam - the very religion that PRESENTLY enslaves women and executes gays

    My only answer is that they feel a sense of community with people who hate Christians as much as they do.

    Their hate is sickening.

    May 1, 2012 at 12:58 pm |
    • momoya

      Which liberals are standing up for Islam and what does that have to do with anything?

      May 1, 2012 at 1:08 pm |
    • chipndale

      We don't hate Christians or any other world religion. We simply can't respect mindless drones, aka Lemmings.

      May 1, 2012 at 1:54 pm |
  13. scarface

    This guy merely represents the socialist filth in our country. There are thousands more like him in front of your kids calling themselves teachers.

    May 1, 2012 at 12:55 pm |
    • momoya

      Let's think about what Sa.v.age actually said:

      1. Christians don't follow the bible verses that promote sla.very or k.i.lling your children if they disobey etc
      2. Because christians don't follow the bible on those verses, perhaps they should not follow the g.a.y bashing ones a few lines down.
      3. He described their BEHAVIOR and later apologized for that remark.

      What was so wrong with those three things?

      May 1, 2012 at 12:57 pm |
    • chipndale

      True, look at the upstanding output parochial and private schools put out these days.. Pedophiles....

      May 1, 2012 at 1:56 pm |
  14. barryswhitehalf

    If I were a Democrat I would be embarrassed as to the way the Democratic Party has turned it's values and beliefs to anti-Christian, anti-Life, Socialist and Communist Beliefs, anti-Capitalism and anit-America. What's it take for you people to wake up???????

    May 1, 2012 at 12:50 pm |
    • momoya

      This issue is about bullying and the words one guy used in a speech.. Democrat/Republican is not an issue.. Discriminating is the issue..

      May 1, 2012 at 12:56 pm |
    • J.W

      I would guess that most democrats are Christian.

      May 1, 2012 at 1:03 pm |
    • brain therapist

      Whether one believes in God or not, has nothing to do with the burden of intolerance, hate and bigotry that person carries inside....

      If you as a "believer", have this puss filled sack of negativity living and growing inside of you, God is patiently waiting for you to follow his example...

      Either way, not EVERY atheist out there hates you.... They are as diverse a group of people as Christians are. There are "good" ones and "bad" ones. Just because repugnant and vile trolls infested this forum doesn't mean ALL of them are acting in a manner reminiscent of the way the Nazi's persecuted and demonized the Jews before the Holocaust...

      Or maybe you tell yourself that your HATE is less of a personal and societal cancer because you have more faith than the huge groups of human beings you stereotype and denigrate...?

      Or is it that it's o.k. to hate them because they hated you first 2,000 years ago...? This contributor to the collective conscience has yet to see an image of Jesus Christ with a hateful expression on his face, nor read even one word anywhere which betrays that emotion inside of him....

      Or is it that their hate is darkness and yours is righteous...? Again, It doesn't really matter because any way you care to slice it, .... It's living and breathing inside of you now.

      You might want to hold back a little here, better to spread the filth and dirt a little thinner, ... surely you'll want to have enough to leave no trace when you finally bury all of "THEM"...

      If you happen to be a "non-believer" –and you're snidely spewing vile mockery and invective from all orifices, you're confirming your own residency in the abhorrent demographic of "HATERS" , which you are supposedly on a crusade to stamp out of existence.

      Even though you tell yourself otherwise, not EVERY Christian out there hates you and your "US"... They are as diverse a group of people as Atheists are. There are "good" ones and "bad" ones. Just because repugnant and vile trolls who call themselves Christians, plague this forum, doesn't mean ALL of THEM are acting in a manner reminiscent of the way the Crusaders did when they persecuted and demonized "Non-believers" ...right before they put their heads on sticks...

      Or it could be that you are convinced that your HATE is less of a personal and societal cancer because your own moral compass is pointed toward the real "true north" ...and because you are smarter and wiser than ever member of the huge groups of human beings you stereotype and denigrate...?

      Or is it that it's o.k. to hate them because they hated you first...? That's a 3rd grade answer, let's not forget, you're supposed to be occupying the intellectual high ground here.....

      Or maybe you believe that their hate is darkness and yours is righteous...? It doesn't really matter either way, .... it's living and breathing inside you now.

      You might want to all collectively regurgitate the bile and make a pool for your dunking stool., surely you'll want enough to immerse them completely ..and don't forget, if they don't drown, they're real Christians, if they come up lifeless, they were actually closet atheists...

      In any case, the Bible or any other religious/holy book notwithstanding, NO ONE has been able to offer one shed of evidence that GOD does not exist.

      It is the sincere and compassionate hope of this writer that the preceding rant has been beneficial to the reader.

      P.S. Remember TORCH LIGHT ONLY PENETRATES A FEW FEET INTO THE "DARKNESS"

      GOOD DAY

      May 1, 2012 at 2:35 pm |
    • brain therapist

      It's a mob mentality, a witch hunt, they're on a crusade to "cleanse" our..... excuse me, their ....society of all conservative thought and morals. They transform what were intended to be public comment sections into cyber-stoning circles, where they revel in: Stereotyping, intolerance, bigotry, hatred, racism, class warfare, demonization, race/gender baiting, ill will etc etc You are asking too much for them to wake up, it's not going to happen

      May 2, 2012 at 1:51 am |
  15. Robert O

    CNN = Communist News Network...One thing I've noticed is that atheism is a religion. Only atheists know the truth..your "gods" aren't worth the paper they're written on..and "the godly" suffer from a gross lack of "logic" or some other pyschiatric illness. Evangalistic atheists try furvently to protect us from our impending doom as followers of some ancient ghosts stories. Atheists hire lawyers under the guise of "not establishing a religion by gov't" to remove competing religions and their images from public view. All this invariably leads to a facists statist society with no clear definition of right and wrong and an acceptance of lowered standards through "logical" justification. Good luck with that. As long as you have someone else's money to fincance your race to the bottom everything runs smoothly. The problem with all this "enlightenment" is that people that have to be told via legislation the definition of right and wrong require that the gov't must grow to enforce morality because the populace hasn't been taught "the ten commandments" as written in Exodus. There are three federal offences; treason, counterfeiting, and piracy. Now we have almost limitless national infractions to address a more "free from religion" country. Then we must finance "treatment" aka social programs to clean up the "enlightened" mess. A religious and moral man doesn't need laws to enforce his morality. He has a conscience and knows that murder, theft, adultery, etc are wrong and chooses to do right. The atheists believes "he is god"....and greatly discounts the value of god and greatly over estimates his own value. Hitler, Stahlin, Mao, Poll Pott, etc didn't like to compete with a "god" because they didn't want to have the morality of their actions questioned. One of my favorite Hitler quotes illustrates the appeal of atheism succinctly, "I go the way that providence dictates with the assurance of a sleepwalker". Ya'll have a good day.

    May 1, 2012 at 12:48 pm |
    • Huebert

      Did you read that rant you posted?

      May 1, 2012 at 12:52 pm |
    • momoya

      Oh my.. Looks like Robert is so open-minded he can't figure out what to do about it.

      May 1, 2012 at 12:53 pm |
    • Jacques Strappe, World Famous French Ball Juggler

      Hitler was a Christian.

      May 1, 2012 at 1:13 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      Shame on you Robert O!

      May 1, 2012 at 1:22 pm |
    • GodPot

      "The problem with all this "enlightenment" is that people that have to be told via legislation the definition of right and wrong require that the gov't must grow to enforce morality because the populace hasn't been taught "the ten commandments" as written in Exodus" "A religious and moral man doesn't need laws to enforce his morality."

      So we don't need laws with penalties if we just had the 10 commandments? So I take it the Israelites didn't need any other laws and penalties and no enforcement of those laws after they recieved the tablets then right? You mask your ignorance in your "conservative" cloak and spout rhetoric as if it's fact, but you along with so many others wouldn't know truth if it slapped you in the head. Poke your head out of your hunting blind once in a while and you just might learn something.

      May 1, 2012 at 1:28 pm |
    • sam stone

      "Only atheists know the truth..your "gods" aren't worth the paper they're written on..and "the godly" suffer from a gross lack of "logic" or some other pyschiatric illness."

      Sounds like Christians to me, Robert

      May 1, 2012 at 1:44 pm |
  16. barryswhitehalf

    He sure mislead as to what he would be speaking about. Good for the students who walked out and shame on the students who cheered. I feel sad for those who cheered.

    May 1, 2012 at 12:43 pm |
    • GodPot

      I'm sure you prefer to have your ears tickled, especially when the truth hurts.

      May 1, 2012 at 12:48 pm |
    • Huebert

      You feel sad for the students who realize that bible based discrimination is still discrimination?

      May 1, 2012 at 12:49 pm |
    • Primewonk

      So just for the record – you approve of bigotry. You approve of ho.mophobia. You approve of legalizing discrimination against a group of US citizens for no other reason than your mythical skydaddy wants you to think they are icky.

      Right. Got it.

      May 1, 2012 at 1:03 pm |
  17. AgentAngel

    Christian Parents, get your children out of these Satanic Public Schools. And then vote against all funding of Government schools. The only reasons that the heathen rage is because of the powerlessness of some churches. The reason that Jesus was accepted as the Son of God because is spoke fearlessly, and He worked many, many miracles.

    "These signs shall follow them that believe, in My Name they shall cast out devils, they shall speak with new tongues, they shall take up serpents, if they drink any deadly thing it shall not hurt them and they shall lay hands on the sick and the sick shall recover" – Mark 16th chapter / St. John 3rd chapter / St. John 8th chapter / St. John 10th / Romans 1st chapter

    Saints of God – repent, pray deeply, pray against Satanic strongholds and HQs - and work many miracles.

    May 1, 2012 at 12:39 pm |
    • momoya

      I agree.. Let's do as much as we can to separate bible believers from people who don't believe in invisible diseases (sin) in invisible body parts (soul), talking snakes, donkeys, and dragon-wh.ores, jewish zombies and impossible floods.. Is it too much to ask you guys to tattoo a cross on your foreheads?

      May 1, 2012 at 12:41 pm |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      Yes, lets keep the children ignorant....people like you AgentAngel should not be allowed anywhere near children and if you have them you should not be allowed them...brainwashing is a clear form of child abuse.

      May 1, 2012 at 12:45 pm |
    • fred

      TruthPrevails
      How is your form of brainwashing or the brainwashing the Stalin communists used any different? As parents we are to train our children in the way that they should go. Training children to adopt godless ways is not a proven successful social adaptation. It is a grand experiment where a group of godless somehow feel oppressed because they have no hope to offer outside of this cold materialistic world where a dead rat and a dead human have the same organic fate.

      May 1, 2012 at 1:16 pm |
    • *facepalm*

      "where a dead rat and a dead human have the same organic fate."

      Some of us don't have to believe in fairy tales as a coping mechanism.

      May 1, 2012 at 1:28 pm |
    • fred

      facepalm
      Gee, what are you coping with? See I look around at a group of children and see the wonder in creation and their individuality. I also see something that transends the organic chemical physical body and wonder what could it all possibly be about. Christ gave me the clearest picture of what that something is. I know there is a difference between each of those children and a dead rat. I am sad to think anyone views the existence of a rat and a child as simply organic blobs with no purpose other than to exist as animals without reason. It is not a coping mechinism it is simply more rational based on observation.

      May 1, 2012 at 2:13 pm |
  18. Reality

    "The vast majority of people in the world today are religious in one manner or another."
    Yes, the vast majority are Muslim. No religion = no war

    May 1, 2012 at 12:30 pm |
    • Mark from Middle River

      And all of the wars over resources such as oil, gold, blood diamonds and basic territory?

      May 1, 2012 at 12:36 pm |
  19. Grumpster

    Oh, come on now, we all know Jeebus was gay. His wife slept with others since he wouldn't, and he was in denial the whole time, insisting she was a virgin since he never consummated anything. Why else would he walk around with 12 other men apostles who dressed in white robes....the drag queens of their day.

    May 1, 2012 at 12:29 pm |
    • GodsPeople

      Do you even have the first clue what you're talking about?

      May 1, 2012 at 12:31 pm |
    • Argonaut

      If there were TV Talk shows and Jerry Spinger back then, we'd have a DNA test reveal to see who the real daddy was.

      May 1, 2012 at 12:31 pm |
    • KennyP

      You are so filled with hatred and contempt!

      I pity you and I will pray for you, I pray is Jesus name for peace, contentment and an everlasting relationship with God through Christ his son!
      God loves you, yet all you can exhibit is hatred and loathing...you must be equally angry towards islam? What about buddism? Are you equally enraged about the 100 colored teens that beat a white couple in Norfolk?? I doubt it, your sensibilities are truly out of whack.

      May 1, 2012 at 12:37 pm |
    • Barbara

      I feel sorry for you...one day you will stand before Him...and it will be to late!

      May 1, 2012 at 12:42 pm |
    • just sayin

      Praying is evidence of psychosis..

      May 1, 2012 at 12:46 pm |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      @barb: How do you stand before something that can't be proven to exist? Could you stand before a unicorn or a leprechaun or the Easter Bunny or Zeus? We have stories about all of those but they can't be shown to exist or have existed...your god is no different.

      May 1, 2012 at 12:49 pm |
    • KRussell

      @truthprevails
      Just because you've never seen my invisible pink unicorn doesn't mean she isn't grazing in my yard.

      I'm insulted you woudl lump such a peceful creature togather with Jesus and Zues.

      May 1, 2012 at 1:13 pm |
    • sam stone

      Barbara: Spend a lot of time on your knees, do you? I am sure the savior will appreciate your special talent when you are kneeling before him

      May 1, 2012 at 1:55 pm |
    • A Frayed Knot

      Barbara
      "...one day you will stand before Him...and it will be to late!"

      And your verified evidence that this will happen is...?

      May 1, 2012 at 2:00 pm |
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