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April 30th, 2012
12:24 PM ET

Columnist Dan Savage stands by comments on 'bulls**t in the Bible'

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

(CNN) - Columnist and gay-rights advocate Dan Savage is standing by his comment that “we can learn to ignore the bulls**t in the Bible about gay people” at a recent conference for high school students, a line that prompted some to walk out and spurred intense online debate.

In a blog post on Sunday, Savage wrote that his remark at a conference for the Journalism Education Association and the National Scholastic Press Association was "being spun as an attack on Christianity. Which is bullshhh… which is untrue.”

“I was not attacking the faith in which I was raised," Savage wrote. "I was attacking the argument that gay people must be discriminated against — and anti-bullying programs that address anti-gay bullying should be blocked (or exceptions should be made for bullying 'motivated by faith') — because it says right there in the Bible that being gay is wrong.”

Some Christian students walked out of the Seattle speech, prompting another controversial line from Savage: “It’s funny to someone who is on the receiving end of beatings that are justified by the Bible how pansya**ed people react when you push back.”

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Savage apologized for that specific remark in Sunday’s blog post, writing that his word choice “was insulting, it was name-calling, and it was wrong.”

One of the teachers attending the speech with his students told CNN’s Carol Costello on Monday that he was taken aback by the speech and that he supported the decision of some of his students to walk out of it.

“It took a real dark, hostile turn, certainly, as I saw it,” said Rick Tuttle, a teacher at Sutter Union High School in Southern California. “It became very hostile toward Christianity, to the point that many students did walk out, including some of my students.”

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“They felt that they were attacked … a very pointed, direct attack on one particular group of students. It’s amazing that we go to an anti-bullying speech and one group of students is picked on in particular, with harsh, profane language.”

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  1. donald

    Voice of reason? You make mockery of what God has warned you about! You say THERE is NO GOD! So since there is none(in your view) HOW can there be a RIGHT or WRONG?? EACH and EVERY man will DECIDE? This MAKES HIM GOD! Or by WHAT RIGHT do the UNGODLY CLAIM a RIGHT or WRONG? But they are BLINDED by the EVIL ONE and thinking themselves to be FREE AGENTS are TRUELY SERVEING their GOD SATAN! AMEN and AMEN! REPENT and LIVE!! CHRIST DIED for YOUR SINS! With MUCH LOVE in CHRIST!

    May 1, 2012 at 5:11 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      You do not need a god to be a good person. Morality is a byproduct of evolution and natural selection.

      May 1, 2012 at 5:13 pm |
    • TR

      So which branch of evolutionary science studies morality?

      May 1, 2012 at 6:59 pm |
  2. Matt

    Lead me from death to life, from lies to truth Lead me from despair to hope from fear to trust Lead me from hatred to love from war to peace Let peace fill our heart, our world, our universe, peace, peace, peace.

    May 1, 2012 at 5:06 pm |
    • God

      Oh, stop whining to me to fix all your problems for you, you lazy pissant. Grow some balls and do some work to fix things yourself for a change. Sheesh.

      May 1, 2012 at 6:36 pm |
  3. Chad

    "All Christians read the Bible selectively. Some read it hypocritically" – Dan Savage

    Well, that's utter nonsense, this guy is guilty of cherry picking and ignoring the context in the bible.

    1. He needs to get educated on the difference between the Old and New Covenants, and what that specifically says about certain behaviors. Saying anything like "Christians dont obey [insert_OT_Law_here] so that demonstrates hypocrisy" is really just a foolish thing to say.
    Christians aren't under any obligation to obey the law as enumerated in the OT. That is the entire point of Christianity. come on.. how can someone not understand that?

    2. He needs to do some investigation on what the bbile forbids, vs what it permits, vs what it approves of

    3. Any sentence that starts out with "All Christians..." (unless it's "all Christians believe in Jesus") immediately displays a person with an agenda and a willingness to ignore/bend/distort reality to accomplish it.

    May 1, 2012 at 5:00 pm |
    • sam stone

      Chad: Any sentence that presumed to paint ANY group with a broad brush is suspect...."ALL Christians"..."ALL Atheists"...."ALL Liberals", etc

      May 1, 2012 at 5:03 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      @Chad

      Jesus reportedly said that he didn't come to abolish OT law, and that Mosaic laws still applied, so I don't see how you can justify saying that there are laws in the OT that don't apply if you believe in the entire bible.

      May 1, 2012 at 5:07 pm |
    • Wesley

      I agree. I have observed that most times I hear the word "Shellfish" in reference to the Bible, it is accompanied by sloppy exegesis and a dearth of critical thinking.

      May 1, 2012 at 5:11 pm |
    • Chad

      @HawaiiGuest "Jesus reportedly said that he didn't come to abolish OT law, and that Mosaic laws still applied, so I don't see how you can justify saying that there are laws in the OT that don't apply if you believe in the entire bible."

      =>outstanding example of how someone can hold a view with no basis in reality with utter confidence. Strange combination..

      What Jesus actually said was that He was the fulfillment of the Law.
      “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Matthew 5

      Later, knowing that everything had now been finished, and so that Scripture would be fulfilled, Jesus said, “I am thirsty.” 29 A jar of wine vinegar was there, so they soaked a sponge in it, put the sponge on a stalk of the hyssop plant, and lifted it to Jesus’ lips. 30 When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is finished.” With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit. John 19

      May 1, 2012 at 5:11 pm |
    • Chad

      @Wesley "I agree. I have observed that most times I hear the word "Shellfish" in reference to the Bible, it is accompanied by sloppy exegesis and a dearth of critical thinking."

      =>another good example.. You comment with authority yet lack even a basic understanding of the difference between the Old and New covenants, simultaneously describing others as manifesting a "lack of critical thinking".

      interesting 🙂

      May 1, 2012 at 5:15 pm |
    • Snow

      and what exactly do you mean by fulfillment of law?

      May 1, 2012 at 5:16 pm |
    • Chad

      @sam stone "Any sentence that presumed to paint ANY group with a broad brush is suspect...."ALL Christians"..."ALL Atheists"...."ALL Liberals", etc"

      =>unless the sentence is directed at the trait which defines the group in question, I agree.

      May 1, 2012 at 5:17 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      @Chad

      Your little quote made my point quite well. According to your bible, the Mosaic laws should still be followed all the way until heaven and earth disappear, and yet most denominations pick and choose which laws they will follow. Thanks for giving me the quote that supports my point.

      May 1, 2012 at 5:18 pm |
    • *facepalm*

      @Chad, if that's true, then why did Peter have to get a personal, divine revelation from God in order to eat animals forbidden in Leviticus. If what you're saying is true, then Peter would have known that he could have eaten whatever he wanted.

      Fail.

      May 1, 2012 at 5:28 pm |
    • momoya

      All christians do read the bible selectively; you don't see christians ki.lling people who work on the sabbath, do you?

      May 1, 2012 at 5:30 pm |
    • Chad

      @momoya "All christians do read the bible selectively; you don't see christians ki.lling people who work on the sabbath, do you?"
      =>Christianity is not under the Old Covenant (the "Law" as laid out in the OT), we are under grace, the New Covenant..

      You should at least understand that.. right? Christians dont "break any rules" by not observing the Law.

      May 1, 2012 at 5:34 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      @Chad

      What a selective way at looking at the bible. Isn't being able to interpret it however you want to great?

      May 1, 2012 at 5:36 pm |
    • momoya

      @Chad

      NO.. You don't get to pick and choose that way.. Christians talk about the 10 commandments and other foundational precepts set forth in the OT.. Christians MUST believe in the "disease" of sin carried to all humanity through the Genesis account of Eve and the serpent.. God changes not.. Jesus discussed the OT flood as an actual occurrence..

      If "thou shalt not murder" was and remains a commandment, then so too the rest of it.. Stop picking and choosing simply based on convenience; it's dishonest.

      May 1, 2012 at 5:40 pm |
    • Snow

      Christians dont "break any rules" by not observing the Law.

      Really chad? that is your solution to things you are uncomfortable about? meh.. I don't like the law and so I will not be "observing" it.. so now I am covered for not following it?? and the worst part is, you do not see any problem with that..

      May 1, 2012 at 5:44 pm |
    • Chad

      @*facepalm* " if that's true, then why did Peter have to get a personal, divine revelation from God in order to eat animals forbidden in Leviticus. If what you're saying is true, then Peter would have known that he could have eaten whatever he wanted."

      =>When Jesus was crucified, the Law was done with, it was fulfilled. That is precisely what God was telling Peter when he received that revelation while visiting the centurion. Exactly how, other than a divine revelation, was God supposed to tell Peter this?

      You need to realize that God is a real (for lack of a better word) "person". He isnt some philosophy, some text book.

      May 1, 2012 at 5:44 pm |
    • Chad

      @HawaiiGuest "Your little quote made my point quite well. According to your bible, the Mosaic laws should still be followed all the way until heaven and earth disappear, and yet most denominations pick and choose which laws they will follow. Thanks for giving me the quote that supports my point."

      =>sigh.. read it again.. the Law was to remain in place, every bit of it, for all time, until all was accomplished.
      “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Matthew 5

      May 1, 2012 at 5:47 pm |
    • Chad

      @Snow "Christians dont "break any rules" by not observing the Law." Really chad? that is your solution to things you are uncomfortable about? meh.. I don't like the law and so I will not be "observing" it.. so now I am covered for not following it?? and the worst part is, you do not see any problem with that.."

      @Chad "you should at least attempt to gain a basic understanding of something prior to criticizing it, right?
      seems common sense.. right?

      your, and SO MANY LIKE YOU, comfort with that simultaneous state of contempt for and ignorance of.. is just amazing.
      What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? By no means! Romans 4

      May 1, 2012 at 5:51 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      @Chad

      It says right before that, until Heaven and Earth disappear. Stop ignoring that part in favor of another that can be interpreted in a way that supports what you think. If you take the entire quote, it's quite clear that the laws would apply biblically for all time.

      May 1, 2012 at 5:56 pm |
    • Snow

      so what is that basic understanding you keep espousing about? I find that you never actually answer the questions posed to you. You simply say, "you don't get it and so you are wrong. But I am right". One simply has to read your responses in this thread to get that point.. That kind of tactic may cut it in your regular middle school arguments but here it proves what nothing more than showing what an idiotic douchebag you are.

      can not answer a question.. call the other names and feel good about yourself.. really? Try actually answering the questions this time..

      May 1, 2012 at 6:03 pm |
    • Chad

      @Snow "and what exactly do you mean by fulfillment of law?"

      =>Christianity 101:
      Man disobeyed God
      God expelled man from eden
      man was estranged from God, separated from Him.
      God sought to reconcile man with Himself.

      first: it was necessary to show man how sinful he was. To do that, God established "The Law", which is a set of rules on everything. If you "kept" the law (didnt break any rules), then you were blessed. If you broke the law, your were judged. A set of sacrificial rules was put in place that "atoned" for mans inability to keep the law. These were administered by a priestly class.

      second: this situation was in place for 2500 years. NO ONE ever kept the law successfully. Sacrifices were regularly made to atone for man.

      third: Jesus kept the law perfectly, God heaped all of the sin on Him, Jesus became our scapegoat. He accepted the punishment for that which we can not.

      The Law was fulfilled by Jesus, he kept it perfectly, in letter and spirit. He is the blameless lamb.

      May 1, 2012 at 6:42 pm |
    • Chad

      @HawaiiGuest "It says right before that, until Heaven and Earth disappear. Stop ignoring that part in favor of another that can be interpreted in a way that supports what you think. If you take the entire quote, it's quite clear that the laws would apply biblically for all time."

      =>ah.. no..
      you are incorrect. There are -0- NT scholars that interpret that passage in that manner.

      May 1, 2012 at 6:46 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      @Chad

      Ah the magic word of interpretation. Allowing you to justify anything. Tell me then, if those laws don't apply, why do christians bother follow any laws at all? If god is the ultimate authority, but the OT laws don't need to be followed, then why even attempt to behave in a moral fashion?

      Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

      Matthew 5:19

      So how can people justify marginalizing things that they find in the OT (anti-gay for one example), when according to you, it just doesn't apply anymore?

      May 1, 2012 at 7:23 pm |
    • Chad

      @HawaiiGuest "Tell me then, if those laws don't apply, why do christians bother follow any laws at all? If god is the ultimate authority, but the OT laws don't need to be followed, then why even attempt to behave in a moral fashion?"
      @Chad "simply amazing.. how you lack even a basic understanding of Christian theology, yet you are one of the more vocal and vociferous opponents.. how in the world, do you actually presume to criticize that which you know NOTHING about?
      really.
      amazing

      anyway:
      – the "Law", the codified set of dietary and behavioral rules were put in place to demonstrate that no human could keep them. That was the whole point, you were good if you could keep them perfectly, but no human could. The "Law" is a mirror in that sense, holding us up to a standard we are unable to attain.
      We dont "have" to obey any law since Christ set us free from that, however:
      “I have the right to do anything,” you say—but not everything is beneficial. “I have the right to do anything”—but not everything is constructive. 24 No one should seek their own good, but the good of others. 1 Corinthians 10

      =========
      @HawaiiGuest "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
      @Chad "When Jesus Christ was preaching, the old covenant, was still in place. The only way to get to God was to keep the law perfectly.
      Jesus spent much of His ministry articulating exactly what the "Law" really meant, what it really meant to "perfectly keep the law", how you had to be perfect.
      again, He did that, to show us that indeed it is impossible to keep the law. He wanted to make sure that there was no one thinking "well, I"m doing a pretty good job keeping these rules, I should get in".
      He wanted to make sure that everyone understood the ONLY way in, was the way that He would introduce. The New way, not by "works" (keeping the law), but by grace – the free gift of the scapegoat.

      " But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions —it is by grace you have been saved. 6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, 7 in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus. 8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith —and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. Ephesians 2

      May 1, 2012 at 7:36 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      @Chad

      This is completely useless. You are completely unable to keep a coherent stance, and continue to justify an interpretation that you accept. The quote I gave you was the one the verse following your matthew quote, and all of a sudden it goes from not needing to follow the laws to an explanation on how to follow the laws correctly. Chad you are the worst kind of apologist. The kind that are incoherent and logically unsound in your arguments.

      May 1, 2012 at 7:47 pm |
    • momoya

      Oh my gosh; he's done it again.. Another Chad highway to nowhere..

      I haven't even read this exchange and I can already tell you what's happening and will continue to happen.. Chad's getting more and more specific on some irrelevant rabbit trail that wouldn't make a difference if you reenacted the event precisely for the purpose of it forcing it to make a difference.. And all the while he's ignoring about eighty-five really great points that make his line of reasoning even more ridiculous, as he continues to make profoundly ignorant arguments-each more convoluted and nonsensical than the last..

      Sound about right?

      May 1, 2012 at 7:53 pm |
    • Chad

      @momoya "... all the while he's ignoring about eighty-five really great points that make his line of reasoning even more ridiculous..."

      =>lol
      let me know if you find one 🙂

      always ends the same, try a couple nonsense attacks, all refuted, finish with ad-hominem and off until next time..

      May 1, 2012 at 9:45 pm |
    • Chad

      @HawaiiGuest " The quote I gave you was the one the verse following your matthew quote, and all of a sudden it goes from not needing to follow the laws to an explanation on how to follow the laws correctly."

      @Chad: "here's the thing that you need to get a hold of:
      – God's rules are good
      – Those rules, by virtue of our not being able to keep them, show us how wrong we are, and establish that we are law-breakers.
      – at the same time God set up the rules and establishing the reward for following them and the penalty for breaking them, God set up a sacrificial system, a way of atoning for the sin.
      – God knew that we would not be able to keep the law, which is why He took upon Himself the job of providing the atoning sacrifice.

      Christians dont "have" to follow rules, they dont get into heaven because they did, nor do they go to hell if they dont. But again, that doesnt mean the rules are "bad"..

      Very simple stuff, Christianity 101..
      For the life of me, I can't understand why you would even presume to criticize Christians when you have -0- idea of the belief system.

      May 1, 2012 at 10:13 pm |
  4. donald

    It is TRUE that SATAN and HIS DEMONS think SOMEHOW they will EXCAPE the JUDGEMENT!! That is simply DELUDING themselves! Some DEMONS actually BELIEVE they are GOD! You do know that DEMONS inhabit MANKIND?? And if I ask ONE, WHO DECIDES?? They will say well NOT those that believe in a GOD! But WE and ONLY WE DECIDE! And if another DEMON DISAGREES ?? How can a KINGDOM DIVIDED against its self STAND?? ONLY the KINGDOM of GOD WILL! REPENT! Time is SHORT and then the JUDGEMENT of ALL! GOD is TRUE! Mankind are ALL LIARS!

    May 1, 2012 at 4:56 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      You are one twisted MO FO!

      May 1, 2012 at 4:58 pm |
    • sam stone

      gosh, donald...putting some words in caps makes your whole post so convincing

      May 1, 2012 at 4:59 pm |
    • sam stone

      donald: your empty proxy threats are laughable. now, boy, get back on your knees like a good little slave

      May 1, 2012 at 5:01 pm |
    • danielwalldammit

      speaking of delusions.

      May 1, 2012 at 5:19 pm |
    • just sayin

      You are a Troll or actually insane. I supsect you hear God's voice as well. However most Christians believe as you do in Demons and a Devil running around the Earth. Which means most are insane. You are just vocal and say what most of your insane friends think.

      May 1, 2012 at 5:23 pm |
  5. gaytheist

    Ok, let’s just get it out in the open. Gays hate Christians because they view Christians as preventing them from doing what they please to whatever they please. Atheists hate Christians because they can see God and atheists cannot. Gays and atheists have hate of Christian’s and unbridled desire in common. Desire for the forbidden fruit is what lead man astray in the Garden.

    May 1, 2012 at 4:48 pm |
    • momoya

      Obviously you don't know what bullying is:

      Let's think about what Sa.v.age actually said:

      1. Christians don't follow the bible verses that promote sla.very or k.i.lling your children if they disobey etc
      2. Because christians don't follow the bible on those verses, perhaps they should not follow the g.a.y bashing ones a few lines down.
      3. He described their BEHAVIOR and later apologized for that remark.

      What was so wrong with those three things?

      May 1, 2012 at 4:54 pm |
    • Mark from Middle River

      >>>"Gays hate Christians because they view Christians as preventing them from doing what they please to whatever they please."

      ...and what about Gay and Lesbian clergy? Also Gay and Lesbian churches?

      May 1, 2012 at 4:56 pm |
    • gaytheist

      What do you know about my community?
      Dan Sava-ge's use of pansyassed Christians means they have not been de flowered yet and big Bruce in the corner is winking. Did you just roll out of bed or what? Sounds like you want some of that pansy action?

      May 1, 2012 at 4:59 pm |
    • gaytheist

      Mark
      The above post was for momoya.
      What a bunch of bunk! My married gay friends still think Christians are responsible their pathetic marriages. Going to some church that makes up its own rules to please the people is of Satan. I would disrespect the church of Bestiality even if it is well intended and everyone there is just so full of love.

      May 1, 2012 at 5:06 pm |
    • fred

      gaythiest
      I disagree with you as we have a gay church down the way and I send people there that object to our position on gay marriage. If you cannot first seek God and ask for forgiveness what good does it do to talk about sin. Besides Jesus said neither do I condem you now go and sin no more. Notice first you have to see Jesus and hear Him before you can begin to receive any blessings.

      May 1, 2012 at 5:11 pm |
    • gaytheist

      no, you cannot justify making up your own New Testament and cut out any negative reference to gay. That would the gay version of the Jefferson bible.

      May 1, 2012 at 5:15 pm |
    • danielwalldammit

      You have great promise as a fiction writer.

      May 1, 2012 at 5:21 pm |
    • gaytheist

      I pray it is all fiction for those who reject the true word of God.

      May 1, 2012 at 5:28 pm |
    • sam stone

      there are many gods,gaytheist. it is arrogance to assume that yours is the objectively correct one. not that hubris is unknown among True Believers (TM)

      May 1, 2012 at 8:11 pm |
    • fred

      Sam Stone
      It is arrogance to deny the only living God that remains active since creation and has been acknowledged by the creation since the beginning or recorded time. Hubris is a trait common to man and I doubt Christians have any greater or less tendency towards that end then do the godless. There remains a difference between assurance by faith and fulfilled promises witnessed by the believer relative to a godless pride that claims there is no God which has no basis in fact or empirical observation.

      May 1, 2012 at 11:26 pm |
    • sam stone

      "It is arrogance to deny the only living God that remains active since creation" – Fred

      You deny all the other gods.

      Creation does not support a particular creator.

      May 2, 2012 at 10:11 am |
    • sam stone

      While we are at it, Fred, what do you have to support the existence of a god beyond subjective belief?

      May 2, 2012 at 10:18 am |
    • sam stone

      Also, Fred, point out the empirical evidence that "god" has been active since creation.

      May 2, 2012 at 10:21 am |
    • fred

      Sam Stone

      Do you use the definition of empirical evidence as the record of one's direct observations or experiences?:
      -A group of women prayed for me ( I did not know it at the time) to seek Jesus. I did.
      -A silly Bible was given to me and every time I tried to toss it out I was blocked or interrupted.
      -After suffering great loss at a low point I discovered that Bible under my seat bent open to a few pages. I read those pages and was instantly convicted of sin and my need for Christ. I called out in desperation and I was “born again”
      -The Bible promised the Holy Spirit would reveal the truth of the word to me. That silly Bible complete with the foolishness of talking serpent, flood and big fish opened up as the knowledge behind the foolishness was revealed.
      -Doctors could not explain my mother’s complete recovery from terminal cancer following prayer.
      -I have personally witnessed close to 200 conversions that resulted in “born again” life changing moments when one experiences God.

      May 2, 2012 at 3:08 pm |
    • Leo

      New Zealand is great for pregnancy, birth and the new mum exeneirpce. Pregnant women get to choose a dedicated midwife who visits them in their home, will deliver the baby there it you want (or hospital) and visit you at home for 6 weeks after the baby's born.

      October 8, 2012 at 11:32 am |
  6. Matt

    Almighty God, in whose hands lies the destiny of men and nations, Let not the hopes of men perish, nor the sacrifices of men be in vain. O holy and life-giving Spirit, enable us by thy grace to root out from our common life the bitterness of ancient wrongs and the thirst to avenge the betrayals of long ago. Save us from the tyranny of history and set us free in a new obedience to serve each other in the present hour. Accepting the redemption wrought for us, we believe that all our sins of yesterday are covered by thy mercy; Grant us therefore grace and courage to give and to receive the forgiveness which alone can heal today's wounds. Draw us, O Lord, towards loving kindness and guide us into the way of peace.

    May 1, 2012 at 4:46 pm |
    • momoya

      Eeewww!! Why don't you have your lordgasms in private–in your closet–letting no one see you when you pray and fast?

      May 1, 2012 at 4:48 pm |
    • Citizen

      While I don't favor such public displays of what I consider personal spiritual beliefs, I love how they make certain people cringe. It's like seeing a nice sunset (something normal; positive human belief and faith) and seeing someone doubling over and retching (pejorative human aberration). Gotta love the haters.

      May 1, 2012 at 5:02 pm |
    • sam stone

      matt: good for you. most people are afraid to be boot licking slaves.....congrats on bucking the trend

      May 1, 2012 at 5:07 pm |
    • momoya

      LOL Citizen doesn't get the joke! Ha!

      May 1, 2012 at 5:45 pm |
  7. MikeG

    By definition, a work of fiction (which the bible is) is 100% bullshot. Good for him, calling it like it is.

    May 1, 2012 at 4:45 pm |
    • TC

      And becasue you have proof of this, correct? I thought not.

      May 1, 2012 at 5:08 pm |
    • Sqwidman

      The Bible is 100% fiction? You realize that whole books of the bible are letters written to churches, right?

      May 1, 2012 at 7:27 pm |
  8. Dantes

    This guy is a putz's putz.

    May 1, 2012 at 4:43 pm |
  9. David

    Dan has no trouble whatsoever with bullying and violating peoples dignity, as long as he is the one doing the bullying... Sorry pal, but you need to walk the walk and show some leadership, as you sound just as bitter, judgemental and twisted as any deranged fundamentalist your overactive and paranoid lefty mind could conjure up...

    May 1, 2012 at 4:36 pm |
    • momoya

      Obviously you don't know what bullying is:

      Let's think about what Sa.v.age actually said:

      1. Christians don't follow the bible verses that promote sla.very or k.i.lling your children if they disobey etc
      2. Because christians don't follow the bible on those verses, perhaps they should not follow the g.a.y bashing ones a few lines down.
      3. He described their BEHAVIOR and later apologized for that remark.

      What was so wrong with those three things?

      May 1, 2012 at 4:43 pm |
    • Mark from Middle River

      Momo, as soon as he conti'nued to bully and attack the children who were quietly leaving, calling them pansies, he became a bully himself.

      May 1, 2012 at 4:58 pm |
    • momoya

      They were at a journalism conference, you know, for soon to be journalists?? Journalists have to listen to all sorts of opinions and words.. Dan didn't bully or attack, unless you're being extremely loose with those terms.. I know that most atheists and/or g.a.ys would LOVE IT if that was the extent of the "bullying" and "attacking" they received.. I tend to think of bullying as a prolonged nastiness, not a one-phrase mistake that DID NOT call names but described behavior..

      This is just christards whining, and you know it.

      May 1, 2012 at 5:48 pm |
  10. cogsys

    I ask you to remember back about a year ago, Gabriela Giffords was shot in a tragic attack. Almost as one the Left rose up and condemned the Right for its 'Hate Speech' and, as the facts were established, pretended they had said none of it. Now we have another voice from the Left, being both devisive and dismissive of the beliefs of others. Once again, the Left is silent.

    May 1, 2012 at 4:33 pm |
    • momoya

      Don't you think there's a HUGE difference between the two cases both in deed and in response?

      May 1, 2012 at 4:35 pm |
    • Snow

      well, when did such silly things like difference and logic ever matter.. 🙂

      May 1, 2012 at 4:38 pm |
  11. US_POLICESTATE

    I just find it ironic that a guy who is supposed to give a talk against bullying ends up bullying people.

    May 1, 2012 at 4:29 pm |
    • momoya

      Obviously you don't know what bullying is:

      Let's think about what Sa.v.age actually said:

      1. Christians don't follow the bible verses that promote sla.very or k.i.lling your children if they disobey etc
      2. Because christians don't follow the bible on those verses, perhaps they should not follow the g.a.y bashing ones a few lines down.
      3. He described their BEHAVIOR and later apologized for that remark.

      What was so wrong with those three things?

      May 1, 2012 at 4:32 pm |
    • fred

      Momoya
      Your three points have nothing to do with bullying. Sav-age was out of control and simply spitting out of his mouth what was in his heart.
      Sav-age is an emotional puppet for George Soros the atheist leader of the gay community

      May 1, 2012 at 4:39 pm |
    • momoya

      Thanks for finally admitting it.

      May 1, 2012 at 4:42 pm |
    • Mark from Middle River

      Momo, as soon as he conti'nued to bully and attack the children who were quietly leaving, calling them pansies, he became a bully himself. You made the argument back on page 42 that because his name calling was not sustained that it was somehow different.

      As soon as he called the childdren leaving pansys, then he became a bully as well.

      May 1, 2012 at 5:00 pm |
  12. john harris

    Dan, say what you want about the bible. But, the one thing you have to remember is the bible is a story from the very first page to the last telling you about his love for you. Christ died on the cross for you, even in your sin he loves you. As a mere mortal I can not figure out what worth you are to anyone, but somehow GOD loves you regardless of how much of an idiot I think you are. You should seek forgiveness for your sins. We all need a redeemer Rom 6:23

    May 1, 2012 at 4:29 pm |
    • Adam

      Read Leviticus and Deuteronomy again.

      May 1, 2012 at 4:33 pm |
    • Snow

      yep.. all about love.. how you lovingly gotta kill your disobedient child.. how you gotta lovingly stone the adulterer to de.ath.. oh.. and how you gotta lovingly marry off a rape victim to her abuser.. yep.. love all over .. front, center and back!

      May 1, 2012 at 4:35 pm |
  13. donald

    God is in CONTROL even if it SEEMS HE is not! We are WITNESSING the PROPHECIES of OLD being FUFILLED! GOD LOVES you REPENT ! HE DIED for YOU HE LOVES YOU! ETERNITY awaits ALL the LIVING and the DEAD! GOD IS in control! NOT MAN! With much LOVE to ALL in CHRIST JESUS!

    May 1, 2012 at 4:25 pm |
    • just sayin

      Old news...the end has been near for 2000 years. Perhaps in another 2000 years Christians will get a clue that Jesus Elves had been quite dead for 4000 years. More power to you if you fear death based on writings of men...enjoy your life and I will enjoy mine.

      May 1, 2012 at 4:30 pm |
    • Adam

      "even if it SEEMS HE is not" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

      Belief in the FACE of a vacuum of evidence. If this is the case then NOTHING can change your mind, and you have a tumor of dogma fossilized within your head. You have removed yourself from the human conversation, and have nothing at all to contribute to this project we call civilization. Be gone.

      May 1, 2012 at 4:30 pm |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      LET's Religiosity Law #1 – If you use words and phrases like: "God is in CONTROL even if it SEEMS HE is not! We are WITNESSING the PROPHECIES of OLD being FUFILLED!." etc, etc...

      Then you are definitely mentally retarded.

      May 1, 2012 at 4:30 pm |
    • MarkD

      You live in a fantasy world if you think 2000 years ago uneducated nomads who thought the earth was flat were somehow onto the secrets of life. Show me a talking snake and prove me wrong or was the talking snake thing "just a parable"?

      May 1, 2012 at 4:31 pm |
  14. Christian mom

    Repent and live :

    Psalm 107:10-14
    New American Standard Bible (NASB)

    10 There were those who (A)dwelt in darkness and in the shadow of death,
    (B)Prisoners in [a]misery and [b]chains,
    11 Because they had (C)rebelled against the words of God
    And (D)spurned the (E)counsel of the Most High.
    12 Therefore He humbled their heart with labor;
    They stumbled and there was (F)none to help.
    13 Then they (G)cried out to the LORD in their trouble;
    He saved them out of their distresses.
    14 He (H)brought them out of darkness and the shadow of death
    And (I)broke their bands apart.

    May 1, 2012 at 4:22 pm |
    • just sayin

      Where was God when young children are r a p ed, beaten and murdered daily? I can tell you where, at the local casino helping Daisey when a few bucks. Out of the thousands of Gods created by men, yours is by far one of the worst. It would be better to burn than worship a POS like him along with his insane ba stard son.

      May 1, 2012 at 4:34 pm |
    • SpeedRacer

      just sayin:
      You sound smart.

      May 1, 2012 at 4:39 pm |
    • MarkD

      I hope you're aware you're quoting a fairy tale.

      May 1, 2012 at 4:48 pm |
    • just sayin

      lol brainfart "when" ???

      May 1, 2012 at 4:49 pm |
    • SpeedRacer

      ...exactly.

      May 1, 2012 at 5:34 pm |
    • TR

      @MarkD
      When someone quotes science and science later discovers it's theory to have been incomplete or wrong, were they quoting science or a fairy tale?

      May 1, 2012 at 7:19 pm |
    • momoya

      I'll answer for MardD.

      When somebody quotes the authority (science)they believe to be true then that's what they're doing.. If it turns out later that the authority (science) was wrong, they were quoting the best source they had at the time..

      There was a time when the bible might have seemed like the best authority at that time and for those people they were not believing a fairy tale as much as they were believing what their society told them to believe.. Now, bible believers don't have that option, as the bible has been proven to be recycled and revised and recycled and revised myth.. If you believe it NOW, you are believing a fairy tale.. Similarly, in a few hundred years some portion of science may be proved wrong at that time.. If a person were to still believe in an entire "story/system" of science that had been disproved by that time, then yes, at that point they would be "believing in a fairy tale."

      May 1, 2012 at 9:49 pm |
    • SpeedRacer

      momoya, you have a lot of opinions and so-called answers. Do you sit around arguing with yourself everyday too?

      May 2, 2012 at 8:15 am |
  15. Matt

    Lord, we pray for the power to be gentle; the strength to be forgiving; the patience to be understanding; and the endurance to accept the consequences of holding to what we believe to be right.
    May we put our trust in the power of good to overcome evil and the power of love to overcome hatred.
    We pray for the vision to see and the faith to believe in a world emancipated from violence, a new world where fear shall no longer lead men to commit injustice, nor selfishness make them bring suffering to others.
    Help us to devote our whole life and thought and energy to the task of making peace, praying always for the inspiration and the power to fulfill the destiny for which we and all men were created

    May 1, 2012 at 4:22 pm |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      “An Ass put on a Lion's skin and went
      About the forest with much merriment,
      Scaring the foolish beasts by brooks and rocks,
      Till at last he tried to scare the Fox.
      But Reynard, hearing from beneath the mane
      That Raucous voice so petulant and vain,
      Remarked. O' Ass, I too would run away,
      But that I know your old familiar bray'.
      That's just the way with asses, just the way.”
      Aesop(620-560 BC)

      May 1, 2012 at 4:25 pm |
  16. Matt

    Jesus, rightful Advocate of peace, Elegant Champion of reconciliation, Your victories echo harmoniously. You taught me the way towards peace, My assurance of congenial oneness. Teach me to carry the torch of peace, That it may reside within my heart And radiate in my surroundings. Through the Grace of Your power, Transform the world into a Heaven. You are the only hope of mankind: You are the most gracious Peace Maker!

    May 1, 2012 at 4:19 pm |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      "I ain't lookin' for help from on-high. That's a long wait for a train don't come." – Malcolm Reynolds, “Serenity"

      May 1, 2012 at 4:22 pm |
  17. Chuckles

    This from a guy who doesn't even understand the human anatomy. Me thinks the BS is in his head...

    May 1, 2012 at 4:18 pm |
  18. Ratt

    The Atheist and the Grizzly.

    One day an Atheist was hiking up the Wind River Mountain range when he rounded a switchback and came face to face with a 16 foot tall Grizzly foaming at the mouth with both massive paws raised in the air. The Atheist gasped and said; " Oh My God !" At that very moment a Douglas Fir burst into flames and the Lord stepped out. "Atheist" the Lord said; " You have not needed me all your life, but in your hour of need you call my name." The Atheist replied he was not requesting Religion for himself, but was requesting Religion for the Grizzly. The Lord said done, stepped back into the burning fir and was gone. The Atheist turned around and faced the Grizzly who had lowered his massive paws in handheld prayer and had gotten down on both knees. The Grizzly then spoke; " Lord, I want to Thank You for this meal I am about to receive."
    ,

    May 1, 2012 at 4:15 pm |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      funny. stupid, but funny. personally, I would have just shot the grizzly and skipped all of the melodrama. only a christard walks around grizzly filled woods without a gun.

      May 1, 2012 at 4:21 pm |
    • Ratt

      Aw contrare Lucifer, I live in the South, and even Obama knows everybody down heya has a gun and a bible. Even Christians like deer steaks, mashed potatoes and gravy with purplehull peas and cornbread. You know, have to sacrifice bambi every now and then.

      May 1, 2012 at 4:42 pm |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      Oh, I've lived there I know. I was tracking with you until you said "purple hull peas" no thanks

      May 1, 2012 at 5:24 pm |
  19. Lucifer's Evil Twin

    Just an observation – but i'm noticing that whenever the christards really get their panties in a persecution complex twist, they start throwing out the specious "you wouldn't say that about the koran!" arguement. Anybody else noticing this phenomena?

    May 1, 2012 at 4:12 pm |
    • Jacques Strappe, World Famous French Ball Juggler

      I've noticed it to. Here's my thinking about that. Christianity is the majority religion in the country. Christians are the ones trying to deny rights to gay people. I don't see Muslim groups actively trying to deny equality to gay people. So I will direct my arguments towards Christianity and the Bible. I don't really know much about the Qu'ran so I can't comment on it like I do the Bible. I've read the Bible several times. Only somebody who is ignorant would make an argument against something he knows nothing about. If I was facing criticism and backlash from Muslims, I would study up on the Qu'ran to be able to make an effective argument for/against it. I don't honestly know any Muslims personally or interact with them hardly ever so I have no need to right now.

      May 1, 2012 at 4:35 pm |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      I agree. However, I have met many muslims (several of them where shooting in my general direction) and they are not fans of the gays. Not too many of them comment on these boards.

      May 1, 2012 at 5:28 pm |
    • just sayin

      Yes I have noticed it. The Christian Taliban points at the little Taliban brother when at a loss for words...but look at what they do. Pathetic and revealing.

      May 1, 2012 at 5:30 pm |
  20. donald

    John; Do not be a FOOL and judge from your own LITTLE BLACK HEART! Repent! And LIVE!

    May 1, 2012 at 4:11 pm |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      OK OK I'll REPENT! Psych!

      LET's Religiousity Law #3 – If you habitually spout off verses from your "holy" book to make whatever inane point you're trying to make, and not once does it occur to you to question whether your book is accurate in the first place, then you are definitely mentally retarded.

      May 1, 2012 at 4:15 pm |
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