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April 30th, 2012
11:28 AM ET

Dan Savage offends teens with Bible bash

(CNN)–Christian teens walked out on a speech by author/activist Dan Savage when he spoke out against parts of the Bible.

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  1. n8263

    Even Obama just reversed his position on gay marriage.

    Today Biden said he was "absolutely comfortable" with allowing same-sex couples to marry. Obama's spokesman Axelrod later confirmed that the president agrees with the vice president and that he thinks "committed and loving same-sex couples deserve the same rights and protections enjoyed by all Americans."

    May 7, 2012 at 1:35 am |
  2. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things*

    May 5, 2012 at 9:17 am |
  3. CharlesEmerson

    Three cheers for Dan for standing up to hypocritical cafeteria Christians who ignore/rationalize the inconvenient passages they don't like but use the anti-gay passages like a club.

    May 2, 2012 at 10:02 am |
  4. james pereira

    Hi, pls share repentence n salvation in Lord Jesus Christ,the Son of God. true-shapherd.blogspot.in

    May 2, 2012 at 6:05 am |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      Troll...we do not need to see the rantings of a religitard by going to your site...we see it with every post that claims your god exists.

      May 2, 2012 at 6:18 am |
    • Hitchens

      Yes we do

      May 5, 2012 at 7:47 am |
  5. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things,

    May 2, 2012 at 5:40 am |
    • Jesus

      -Prayer doesn’t not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!

      May 2, 2012 at 10:43 am |
  6. n8263

    He is telling the truth. In fact much of the Bible is bullshit. Good for him.

    May 1, 2012 at 10:08 pm |
    • kat 2012

      I don't hate gays but if you read in Romans 1, 1thes, 2 thes. Deu. you will see where God hates the sin. God doesnt hate the person. “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life." John 3:16 How can anyone find fault in a God that created them then He also die for them. I know Dan does not understand this. But it is truth and if he could only read and truly understand he as Saul and later call Paut would understand that a true believer in the LORD does not hate the gays nor does their God but knows that it is a sin just as killing or stealing or lieing ...etc So please Dan dont cut down my God or His Word the Bible. May God Bless you by calling you to Him till you come to a saving knowledge of Our Lord Jesus Chirst. We as Christian do love you as God in His word has ask us to. I write this as a witiness to the LORD.

      May 3, 2012 at 9:57 am |
  7. naturechaplain

    Telling the truth makes people uncomfortable. If the words he used to emphasize the hate offended these young people more than the offensiveness of hate-based faith, they will go through life shocked in their self-righteousness. As a former Christian Minister and "bible-believer" I can only shake my head at the lack of maturity and reasoning ability. On the other hand, I support their right to walk out and not listen, to change the channel if they don't like what they hear. As long as they learn to understand the rights of others to speak freely and truthfully from a different perspective, and the rights of the rest of us to shine a bright (uncomfortable) light on the old holy books that continue to divide and destroy dialogue and human community.

    May 1, 2012 at 1:07 pm |
    • momoya

      Well said!!! (me too on the deconversion)

      May 1, 2012 at 4:44 pm |
    • Robin Scott

      A minister of the Christian faith would not expect any believer to listen to such nonsense as that. The bible says to pray and remove yourself from those who choose sin as their lifestyle for what does darkness have in common with the light?

      May 1, 2012 at 4:45 pm |
    • pervert alert

      What is wrong with people? Thinking a filthy f aggot is truthful? Time was when police would jail the pervert for being anywhere near a school and it was not that long ago.

      May 1, 2012 at 7:51 pm |
    • momoya

      Times have changed, baby, and they're going to keep on changing!! Woo-hoo!! Out of the closet and into the streets my atheist brothers and sisters, and my alternative-lifestyle friends and relatives!! Yay!!

      May 1, 2012 at 11:04 pm |
    • Primewonk

      @ Robin – your bible also tells you to go and kill gay folks. Your bible also tells you to kill disobedient kids. Your bible also tells you to kill women who aren't virgins on their wedding night.

      Sava.ge's point is – why are you christians cherry picking? So far, none of you have spun you way out of this conundrum..

      May 2, 2012 at 8:24 am |
    • Hitchens

      @primewonk
      Yes. There are consequences to sin, just as there are consequences for crime. The Bible defines sin quite clearly and we are told the wages of sin, the penalty for sin is death. Whether this is an example or whether you think it "fair" the ultimate judge has acted and the verdict stands. The same judge has allowed a subst- itute to step in and take the place of the guilty but the Savior must be accepted and the guilty must be truly repentant of their crimes.

      May 5, 2012 at 11:49 am |
  8. Swampland for Debbie

    Debbie, there's some land for sale that you should look at. The water snakes there don't talk but otherwise it's just right for you and you can move your trailer right in today.

    May 1, 2012 at 10:11 am |
    • Debbie

      You're showing your true colors. Those who lack the intelligence on a subject to debate it are the ones who go for the corny jokes. The only one you are impressing is yourself.

      May 1, 2012 at 2:14 pm |
  9. Mustafa

    Why are there two things here about the same man? Two articles next door to each other yet one is busy and one is not.

    May 1, 2012 at 9:49 am |
    • momoya

      Happens all the time.. There's about forty five articles or so on Joel Osteen.

      May 1, 2012 at 9:53 am |
  10. john jones

    Nonbelievers do believers a favor when they "proselytize" but they only receive scorn like I read on these pages in return. Most believers got hoodwinked into it as a concerted efforts by their church with the aiding and abetting of their own parents in the process. Practically all the rest were "converted" when they came looking for help from some really severe psychological crisis, and unwittingly fell for it, accepting it as a "solution". The other 1/10th of one percent pull the wool over their eyes for other reasons, but deep down they all know they are FOOLING THEMSELVES (almost fooling, that is, like I say, they all know it, and keep going back to the church for a "fix"). This explains the spiteful reactions against anyone who speaks the obvious truth. Nothing else explains it.

    May 1, 2012 at 7:09 am |
    • Reality

      “John Hick, a noted British philosopher of religion, estimates that 95 percent of the people of the world owe their religious affiliation to an accident (the randomness) of birth. The faith of the vast majority of believers depends upon where they were born and when. Those born in Saudi Arabia will almost certainly be Moslems, and those born and raised in India will for the most part be Hindus. Nevertheless, the religion of millions of people can sometimes change abruptly in the face of major political and social upheavals. In the middle of the sixth century ce, virtually all the people of the Near East and Northern Africa, including Turkey, Syria, Iraq, and Egypt were Christian. By the end of the following century, the people in these lands were largely Moslem, as a result of the militant spread of Islam.

      The Situation Today

      Barring military conquest, conversion to a faith other than that of one’s birth is rare. Some Jews, Moslems, and Hindus do convert to Christianity, but not often. Similarly, it is not common for Christians to become Moslems or Jews. Most people are satisfied that their own faith is the true one or at least good enough to satisfy their religious and emotional needs. Had St. Augustine or St. Thomas Aquinas been born in Mecca at the start of the present century, the chances are that they would not have been Christians but loyal followers of the prophet Mohammed. “ J. Somerville

      It is very disturbing that religious narrow- mindedness, intolerance, violence and hatred continues unabated due to randomness of birth. Maybe, just maybe if this fact would be published on the first page of every newspaper every day, that we would finally realize the significant stupidity of all religions.

      May 1, 2012 at 8:15 am |
    • Leo

      Reality, The TRUTH is Christianity spread from ZERO to the entire world and every nation in 2000 years!

      May 1, 2012 at 8:46 am |
    • Leo

      Reality States "It is very disturbing that religious narrow- mindedness, intolerance, violence and hatred"

      Your one of the biggest Hypocrites that come to this site!! You simply post your junk and run!!

      May 1, 2012 at 8:48 am |
    • David Pulliam

      Reality, what John Hicks says about religion can be equally applied to nonreligious people. It's a part of human nature, not religion. The fact is, the majority of people remain in the beliefs of their parents.

      May 1, 2012 at 9:40 am |
    • ed

      No wonder people cannot debate anymore without reverting to personal attacks on the other person. I believe in God and the Bible. I believe in looking after the poor, helping others, give and donate and try to always live in peace with others as much as I can. If I do believe in the Bible I am an ignorant stupid bigot? No, but I do realize that many "christians" that people meet are no Christians at all. Humility and caring for others is good

      May 3, 2012 at 10:35 pm |
  11. Pototo

    Praise God! The fact that such hateful words come out of people's mouths against the Word of God is proof of God's mercy and love! Christ died for them also! The Bible says that God so loved the world that He gave His only son to die for it, as a sacrifice for our sins, so that ANYONE who believes in Him would not perish but have everlasting life. All of this strife and hate is very revealing of the days we're living. It is precisely the Bible the one that describes the last days before the coming of the Lord, and subsequent tribulation days, by indicating:

    "You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of birth pains.

    “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

    “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation, spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let no one on the roof of his house go down to take anything out of the house. Let no one in the field go back to get his cloak. How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again. If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible. See, I have told you ahead of time.

    May 1, 2012 at 6:39 am |
    • Reality

      Here is what Professor JD Crossan has to say about atonement theology: (from his book, "Who is Jesus" co-authored with Richard Watts)

      "Moreover, an atonement theology that says God sacrifices his own son in place of humans who needed to be punished for their sins might make some Christians love Jesus, but it is an obscene picture of God. It is almost heavenly child abuse, and may infect our imagination at more earthly levels as well. I do not want to express my faith through a theology that pictures God demanding blood sacrifices in order to be reconciled to us."

      "Traditionally, Christians have said, 'See how Christ's passion was foretold by the prophets." Actually, it was the other way around. The Hebrew prophets did not predict the events of Jesus' last week; rather, many of those Christian stories were created to fit the ancient prophecies in order to show that Jesus, despite his execution, was still and always held in the hands of God."

      "In terms of divine consistency, I do not think that anyone, anywhere, at any time, including Jesus, brings dead people back to life."

      May 1, 2012 at 8:04 am |
    • Jonathan

      Yes yes yes, all things are signs of the 'end of days' which is why the 'lord' rose again during the life of Paul... or wait... he didn't... Perhaps with the fall of Rome? Nope... um... the Crusades? I guess not... the Beubonic Plague? Nope... let's see... surely during the first World War? Perhaps the second? Put down your sandwich-board and think for yourself for once.

      May 1, 2012 at 8:05 am |
    • chipndale

      WOW!!!!. 18th century what?

      1hate noun, often attributive \ˈhāt\
      Definition of HATE
      1a : intense hostility and aversion usually deriving from fear, anger, or sense of injury b : extreme dislike or antipathy : loathing
      2: an object of hatred

      May 1, 2012 at 2:34 pm |
  12. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things .

    May 1, 2012 at 5:32 am |
    • Jesus

      ~Prayer doesn’t not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!

      May 1, 2012 at 10:37 am |
  13. bismarket

    How funny that a group of people who see nothing wrong with their faiths bigotry but get upset over what they see as an attack on it, do you suppose it's more evidence of an attack on Christianity? lol.

    May 1, 2012 at 5:25 am |
  14. Dorothy

    Now, Believers, we know to forgive, pray for our enemies, but stand in this last and evil day. This young man and a lot of people making comments about Christians, probably don't even know what a bible looks like. Some people are happy and comfortable with their sin. For over 2000 years Christians have been killed (still being killed) for thetir faith in Jesus. God has not changed, His Word (Bible) has not changed, but man has, and believes he's wiser than God. The kids that walked out did the right thing.

    May 1, 2012 at 3:09 am |
    • danielwalldammit

      If by "probably" you mean "not likely at all," then I suspect you are right Dorothy. Otherwise, your post is a wonderful exercise in projection.

      May 1, 2012 at 3:42 am |
    • Locksmith

      So I take it you stand by your god's command to kill unruly children, have slaves, kill anyone who tries to convert you to other religions and/or sway you away from yours??
      I mean, that's all in your silly bible anyway, which according to so many "christians" is the word of god.
      How sad you still believe in such crap. Real sad for you to even accuse someone else of not "knowing" what the bible looks like, when their statements are 100% true.

      May 1, 2012 at 4:17 am |
    • Nii

      LOCKSMITH
      The fact that something is in the Bible does not mean automatically does not mean God has asked it of Christians.
      The slave laws does not say anyone should own slaves or even condone your American slavery. Also a law for Israel is specified. It is not one size fits all but very specific.

      May 1, 2012 at 7:41 am |
    • Nii

      LOCKSMITH
      Your disdain towards the Bible is understandable as everyone tends to be hostile towards what they do not understand. If you do want to then you will realise its beauty and genius of the authors and canonists of the Bible.

      May 1, 2012 at 7:46 am |
    • Rob

      Oh, I know what a bible looks like and have read it. I was raised Christian and he's right. Go read it. Has he misused some of it? Yes. Lobster/shellfish etc were for Jews. All those bible writing had to do with heath. Including pork. He's right about the a women being stoned. So, yes us moderate Christian's understood. And, the students proved they can preach it, they can't take it. No one has to agree, but the student's made they "cause"/belief look really, really sad.

      May 1, 2012 at 8:08 am |
    • chipndale

      Associates in Biblical theology. Believer until 34. Remember Mathew Shepherd. Do you suppose he was persecuted for his faith? Or have you selectively forgotten this atrocity? Once again I get silence when it is mentioned.

      ........ Insert religious weaving crickets here.........

      May 1, 2012 at 2:38 pm |
    • EvolvedDNA

      Nii what genius of the bible? what did the bible tell humanity that it did not already know? Notice it does not mention anything of the world that was not known at the time.. does it mention a land that would be Australia.. what of the arctic regions? South Pole.. Green land? these are not small land masses.. a world map showing the continents would have been an impressive proof .... JC could have etched a map in the sand for the folks ...after all his dad had a good view I would think?

      May 1, 2012 at 9:00 pm |
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