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Biden's support for gay marriage matches most Catholics' views
Vice President Joe Biden went further than President Barack Obama has on supporting gay marriage.
May 7th, 2012
07:28 AM ET

Biden's support for gay marriage matches most Catholics' views

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

(CNN) - Apparent White House division over gay marriage - with Vice President Joe Biden saying Sunday that he is “absolutely comfortable” with the idea, going further than President Obama has on the issue – mirrors a nation that is evenly divided on the matter. Recent polls show that about half of Americans favor legalized gay marriage, while half oppose it, with support for the idea gaining significant ground over the past 15 years.

Pew’s latest polling on the issue, conducted late last year, found that 46% of Americans support favor allowing gays and lesbians to marry legally, while 44% are opposed. Support for gay civil unions is substantially higher, with a clear majority of Americans supporting such arrangements.

Feelings about gay marriage correlate to various religious traditions and levels of religiosity, with those nonaffiliated with any religion most supportive of gay marriage. It’s worth noting the dramatic recent shifts on the issue among Roman Catholics, whose ranks include Biden.

Despite the Roman Catholic Church’s rigorous opposition to gays getting the right to marry, Pew found that Catholics support gay marriage by a margin of 52% to 37%. That’s a shift from 2010, when just 46% of Catholics favored gay marriage.

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Among white Catholics, support is even higher at 57%, while Hispanic Catholics are evenly divided.

The religious group most opposed to gay marriage is white evangelical Protestants, among whom 74% oppose it, according to Pew. Sixty-two percent of black Protestants, a key part of President Obama’s political base, also oppose gay marriage.

After Biden voiced support for gay marriage, a senior Obama campaign adviser said there was no difference on the issue between the vice president and the president, who once said he opposed gay marriage but has since said his views on the matter are “evolving.”

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"What the VP said - that all married couples should have the same legal rights - is (precisely) POTUS' position," said David Axelrod, a senior adviser to Obama's re-election campaign, in a Twitter message.

The issue has gotten attention recently as North Carolinians prepare to vote Tuesday on a ballot initiative that would amend the state constitution to ban gay marriage, reinforcing a state law banning such unions. The Rev. Billy Graham has endorsed the measure, while former President Bill Clinton has taped a robo call opposing it.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: 2012 Election • Gay marriage • Politics

soundoff (921 Responses)
  1. Drew

    Canada has had gay marriage for a while. It's still there, and frankly in better cultural health than the U.S.

    May 7, 2012 at 11:22 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      *GASP* You mean....Canada is intact? After this enormous sea change????

      Heavens.

      May 7, 2012 at 11:29 pm |
  2. God's Oldest Dreamer

    gaysome is gruesome but grew some is indeed gaysome,,, want some?

    May 7, 2012 at 11:12 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Not if it's yours.

      May 7, 2012 at 11:14 pm |
    • God's Oldest Dreamer

      Awe don't be a sourputtytat Tommie girlie! Have a heart for I have many spares! Een an extra kid-knee for one to thrust upon whenever doldrums become the day's chattering! Dopes on the ropes yet many copes while a few gropes in the apple carts! Apples I never like drumming on for sale dirt cheap! Hell, just give 'em all away for free! I never did like apples! For that matter, I never even liked drumming on the Tom-Toms too much! Oh well, I guess I'll stop my rants for but a while to give the atheist crowds a chance to load up their crapola upon my Word! Ah, the pleasentries of Living one's Life!

      May 7, 2012 at 11:48 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Peddle your drivel to someone who cares enough to read it.

      May 7, 2012 at 11:49 pm |
    • God's Oldest Dreamer

      I give up! God damned computer has a flippin mind of its' own! I hate this damn contraption called a notebook computer!

      May 7, 2012 at 11:52 pm |
  3. b4bigbang

    Yeah Right!: "God made Adam and Eve, and not Adam and Steve. So moral. They had two sons – slight problem for continued procreation. One of the sons murders the other, and mates with Mom to get the species filled out. Adam and Steve didn't have all the incest and murder of the much more moral Adam and Eve family."

    There was no Adam and Steve or any other gay until well after the Fall of Mankind.
    Adam and Eve's sons took sisters (which Eve had borne) as wives.

    Where do you get all your distorted madness?

    May 7, 2012 at 10:51 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      "Where do you get all your distorted madness?"

      Did you read your own post?

      May 7, 2012 at 10:58 pm |
    • Yeah Right!

      Hold on a second . . . I am still laughing my ass off at you.

      Just a bit longer; I almost have it under control . . . no I don't!

      That is too freaking funny!!!!! Your conprehension skills are astoundingly bad and just rippingly funny!!!

      Still laughing!!!

      Thanks!

      May 7, 2012 at 11:00 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Cleansing, isn't it?

      May 7, 2012 at 11:01 pm |
  4. Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

    It is amusing to see the fundiots warning of dire consequences should gay marriage become commonplace.

    How many states have already passed laws allowing it?

    Has the union dissolved? Has the earth been stopped in its rotation? Has society disintegrated?

    Idiots, what's the problem?

    May 7, 2012 at 10:49 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      The problem is that your syphilis has traveled from your rectom to your brain, bottom-boy Tom.....

      May 7, 2012 at 10:54 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      Correction: Tom Tom's syphlitic rectum, not rectom.

      May 7, 2012 at 10:55 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Aww, honey, don't be mad.

      May 7, 2012 at 10:56 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      Not mad at you all young man – I pity you, I really do.

      May 7, 2012 at 10:58 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Not a man, not young, not gay.

      May 7, 2012 at 10:59 pm |
    • Fallacy Spotting 101

      Post by b4bigbang is an instance of the ad hominem fallacy.

      http://www.fallacyfiles.org/glossary.html

      May 7, 2012 at 10:59 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Don't you get tired of being wrong?

      May 7, 2012 at 11:00 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      Why not come out completely Tom? You told one person, but now you've retreated back into the closet.

      May 7, 2012 at 11:03 pm |
    • Harry Hippobottomus

      So b4, is "The problem is that your syphilis has traveled from your rectom to your brain, bottom-boy Tom" what God meant when he said "do unto others" and "love thy neighbor"?

      May 7, 2012 at 11:04 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      "Told one person" what, big fraud?

      Are you really this stupid?

      May 7, 2012 at 11:06 pm |
    • God's Oldest Dreamer

      A disease of socialism is like a cancer! Sometimes it strikes with much haste whle other times it ebbs and does flow to eventually kill those socially entwined of such social cancers! Social malignancies such as s.e.x.u.a.l freedoms are folded within/inside the very fabric of fleshened social constructs! Gay men and women are of the last blooms of once long ago forgotten travesties that did befall many sturdy and once uprghteous nations' cities! the wailing cries of the few do moan out for the sweetness of lust and perversionisms direness ways! Not the ready yet as the time nears, they will gather and be charged with lewd and lascivious Acts against the social fabrics from the meekest to the most righteous! Death will be the avengers' wrath!

      May 7, 2012 at 11:34 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Oh, shut up and have another shot, old man.

      May 7, 2012 at 11:35 pm |
    • beechwood1

      Tom,Tom.. your a very sad pathetic person. you just cite your own pathetic view of the world and never listen to anybody except your gay world...your as pathetic as any other posting here.... you dont take the high road, only mockery... sometime you cite current laws but then again GAY marriage is not legal right now... totally destroying your points or views...

      May 8, 2012 at 2:34 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      When you get your GED, beechy, send me an announcement. Until then, you're not even close to being literate.

      May 8, 2012 at 10:19 am |
  5. Kebos

    Gay marriage is far from the biggest issue confronting the USA. Get over it. Gay marriage is inevitable. Just because the religious wingnuts condemn it, all the more reason to accept gay marriage as part of our social fabric.

    May 7, 2012 at 10:36 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Second that.

      May 7, 2012 at 10:40 pm |
    • southernsugar

      Gay (so-called) marriage in NOT part of the American fabric. The gays would like it to be, but it isn't. Marriage is a church sacrament and gays do NOT have that right. Gays just want to be respectable and they're NOT and never will be. They'll always just be gay, and not thiing more. Still church and social rejects.

      May 7, 2012 at 10:44 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      @southernsugar

      Psst. Your intolerance and bigotry is showing. Just thought you'd ought to know.

      May 7, 2012 at 10:46 pm |
    • Peter E. Dish

      Gay marriage is a highly valuable political topic if you are conservative and it looks like your party is going to get hammered in November. It is also valuable if you have nothing to offer on the serious issues – if you have no answer to the economic situation, for example.

      Highly charged issues like gay marriage get the conservative voters out, and while they are at it, they might improve the outlook for the party. It gets people pissed off, which gets them voting and sending money. These angry voters will take your side lock, stock and barrel, and blanket hate the opposition. And it does not matter if you win or lose on that particular issue – the worst thing would be for the issue to be fully decided and die.

      That's the political realities of it. It's a fraud to get people chummed up.

      May 7, 2012 at 10:48 pm |
    • SouthernCelt

      There is no such thing as Gay "Marriage". Anatomically impossible. If a Civil Union had the same legal rights as marriage, they wouldn't call it Marriage and aggravate all the Christians that believe in the Sacrament.

      May 7, 2012 at 10:49 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      As is abortion. The conservatives will put it out there to get the morons agitated. After the election, it'll become business as usual.

      May 7, 2012 at 10:50 pm |
    • Sue

      Interesting post, Peter. I think your analysis fits what I've seen happen in elections and the tactics that are employed.

      May 7, 2012 at 10:50 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      So, Southern Celt, is a marriage impossible if one spouse is unable to consummate the marriage due to paralysis or other injury?

      May 7, 2012 at 10:52 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      What about those who are sterile?

      May 7, 2012 at 10:54 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      What about those who don't want to have children?

      May 7, 2012 at 10:56 pm |
    • Harry Hippobottomus

      Ah, you guys beat me to it! I wanted to hear how southernguy was going to tell a disabled vet that he cannot get married because his John Thomas got blown off in Iraq, that he can only get a civil union due to some anatomy clause that isn't anywhere in the Bible.

      Remember, God says you can get married with a crushed manhood, but you can't go into church like that.

      May 7, 2012 at 11:10 pm |
    • want2believe

      @southernsugar In the eyes of the government marriage is a legal contract between two people. If you personally feel marriage is a church sacrament then please forgo the hundreds of rights and government benefits married couples have since you feel that relationship is only between you, your partner, and your god. The idea that you want our government to continually deny equal rights to a minority based on your religious ideologies goes against others first amendment rights and precedents set by the supreme court regarding the establishment clause. Go read a book...other than the bible.

      May 7, 2012 at 11:13 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I wonder what clauses in the laws of the church allow beings like bigfart to marry. Isn't there some provision that the parties engaging in marriage must be sentient?

      May 7, 2012 at 11:13 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      The odds are that southern sugar had a shot-gun wedding at the age of about 17 to another high-school dropout.

      May 7, 2012 at 11:16 pm |
  6. b4bigbang

    GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY
    etc....

    May 7, 2012 at 10:24 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Is that the banner you'll be carrying in the next parade, bigfart?

      May 7, 2012 at 10:27 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      Hi Tom hw's it going!
      Oh, and to answer your question, you tell me – you're the 'bottom-boy'.

      May 7, 2012 at 10:33 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Not a boy. Not gay.

      Do you have a fixation, dear?

      May 7, 2012 at 10:37 pm |
    • Sue

      Tom, Tom, it appears that b4bigbang has a hard time dealing with reality.

      May 7, 2012 at 10:48 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Bigfart has a hard time dealing with the tying of his shoelaces.

      May 7, 2012 at 10:51 pm |
  7. byo

    As a practicing Catholic I can assure you that most Catholics DO agree with Biden's opinion but what the media is very carefully NOT saying is that he agrees with them legally marrying for purposes of having marital rights. However, there is a big difference between a civil union or legal marriage and sacramental marriage in the Church.

    May 7, 2012 at 9:49 pm |
    • Northington

      Yeah, one is based on a real need for legal doc.umentation and the other is based on pure bullsh&t. Whoopie!

      May 7, 2012 at 9:56 pm |
    • SouthernCelt

      If you are a practicing Catholic you need better education if you don't accept the Sacrament of Marriage or haven't read Theology of The Body or the Encyclicals it mentions. Any "Catholic" that approved of gay "marriage" is Catholic in name only
      and not in practice. A Civil Union between Gays as long as they get the same rights is OK (as long as they are celibate 🙂 ), but it is not a Marriage.

      May 7, 2012 at 10:32 pm |
    • Fallacy Spotting 101

      Post by Southerncelt is an instance of the No True Scotsmen fallacy.

      http://www.fallacyfiles.org/glossary.html

      May 7, 2012 at 10:52 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Gosh, SC, I'm sure all the gays will pay you heed.

      May 7, 2012 at 10:54 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Do you not get the fact that marriage is a legal contract and that your beliefs have no sway? No, I'm guessing you don't.

      May 7, 2012 at 10:55 pm |
  8. Rob

    CNN at it again with the un-educated, biased, left-wing liberal reporting. Could'nt have gotten it more wrong if they tried. CNN needs to clean house and hire some educated, non-biased journalists and management.

    May 7, 2012 at 9:21 pm |
    • ajk68

      Right on.

      May 7, 2012 at 9:25 pm |
    • Rob

      First let me say cliché cliché cliché. And of course, cliché cliché, Rush Limbaugh thinks for me, cliché cliché, I am a Republican parrot cliché cliché.

      May 7, 2012 at 9:31 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      You are so busy being outraged by the article that you did not actually comprehend it. In summary, it said Biden's views match several groups views based on several surveys and the author provided the data. So, rather than attacking the messenger (CNN!) you should be stating why you believe the data is wrong. If you can't show a problem with the data, then the article is factual – Binden's support agrees with msot Catholics views.

      May 7, 2012 at 9:36 pm |
    • PerceivedReality

      Catholics are Christian, they will never vote for this. I also think Atheists are doing a good job of being pied pipers for the left. Athiests, you may want to change your affiliation with muzzies though, you know they kill you first right?

      May 7, 2012 at 9:47 pm |
    • Fallacy Spotting 101

      Post by Rob contains instances of the ad hominem fallacy, the circ-umstantial ad hominem fallacy, and the Willed Ignorance fallacy.

      May 7, 2012 at 10:54 pm |
  9. Rob

    When was the last time he talked to a Catholic. Their views don't match at all. Biden is still the deviant left-wing liberal he always has been.

    May 7, 2012 at 9:18 pm |
    • crazyvermont

      I'm not catholic but my company 's workforce is over 90% Catholic and I don't know one employee who would say their view aligns with Biden's. Think this writer is off base

      May 7, 2012 at 9:27 pm |
    • CatSh

      Guys, the writer isn't expressing an opinion, the stats come from a Pew report. He didn't make this stuff up. Everyone doesn't agree with you, in spite of what you think – only half do.

      May 7, 2012 at 9:49 pm |
  10. ciroc2323

    Biden gets his morals from liberal television sitcoms.

    May 7, 2012 at 9:10 pm |
    • DJ

      Do you have anything of value to say? Any observation that might make people think? Maybe you could spell it out and make a few people see your political views in a different light. Or at least something intelligent, please.

      May 7, 2012 at 9:21 pm |
    • PerceivedReality

      +1

      May 7, 2012 at 9:27 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      +1 ass hole named Perceived.

      May 7, 2012 at 10:44 pm |
  11. mikstov33

    Simply trolling for votes for his boss. He'll change his mind in about 11 months.

    May 7, 2012 at 9:10 pm |
  12. PJ

    Of course it aligns with most Catholics. Most Catholics practice their religion the way they were meant to not the way the overweight Bishops tell them to.

    May 7, 2012 at 8:22 pm |
    • ajk68

      No. Most don't practice the way that Jesus intended. Most Catholics have been brain-washed by the materialist culture that promotes hedonism. They subscribe to a wishy-washy view that morals are completely subjective. There is an amorphous notion of what "good" is.

      May 7, 2012 at 9:07 pm |
    • Anonymous

      I agree with ajk68, this world has gotten so sick and twisted. It leads me to believe that either people don't own a bible, or they just don't believe it or read it. God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. Some.... people are so brain washed and Biden and his side kick Obama are in that group.

      May 7, 2012 at 9:18 pm |
    • ajk68

      Part of the problem is that people use the Bible to justify themselves.
      That is where the teaching authority of the pope and bishops comes in. Biden and company flagrantly disregard the teaching authority.

      Research early Christianity and you will see that early Christians clung tightly to the teaching of the pope and bishops.

      May 7, 2012 at 9:29 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      There's no evidence that any god created anything, let alone your version of god creating adam and eve.

      May 7, 2012 at 9:32 pm |
    • Yeah Right!

      God made Adam and Eve, and not Adam and Steve. So moral. They had two sons – slight problem for continued procreation. One of the sons murders the other, and mates with Mom to get the species filled out.

      Adam and Steve didn't have all the incest and murder of the much more moral Adam and Eve family.

      May 7, 2012 at 9:45 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      Never mind that there's no evidence for any god creating anything, there's no evidence for any god...

      May 7, 2012 at 9:47 pm |
    • SouthernCelt

      No, we believe in the Magisterium (Scripture and Tradition) of the Church. The only Bishop we listen to on Faith or Morals is the one in Rome.

      May 7, 2012 at 10:40 pm |
  13. Anonymous

    @yeahright,

    You state that pedophiles/beastiality do harm. I ofcourse agree with you, however, who are you to judge? Atheism is ultimately moral relativism and thus you cant argue that your right/wrong is any better than someone who holds the exact opposite stance. You basically just go with the social norms of the day and thus whatever you feel is right/wrong, which is ultimately ludicrous.

    Answer this one question; if beastiality or pedophilia become more common in the next 100 years, would you argue that it should be legal then?

    May 7, 2012 at 8:19 pm |
    • BRC

      @Anonymous,
      Hate to see a hanging question, so as another atheist I'll be happy to give my 2 cents. Yes, even in 100 (or 10) years if pedophilia becomes more common, even if it becomes the norm, I would still regard it as harmful, and do what I was able to do to end the practice. You treat defining your own morals as a bad thing; I see it as the only truly moral way to live. No matter how many people do something, what I know is wrong stays wrong. It doesn't matter how many people believe that because of their religion it is acceptable to create laws that deny opportunities and happiness to consenting adults with relationships that don't harm anyone else; I know that those laws are wrong, and I will always be willing to stand up and say so. Using a child for s-x, even if the adult doing it was born with a brain wired to feel that it truly was love, is wrong; the child can't possibly fathom what is happening, and will more likely than not suffer in the long term. There is obvious harm, and absolutely no good comes from it. Thus it is bad. I don't need a book to tell me that.

      May 7, 2012 at 8:33 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      Also, pedophelia has been shown to be harmful to the child through many years of psychological studies. It will never be a legal practice, and I for one am glad for that. A basis of morality should be "that which furthers your own goals while respecting the rights and safety of others".

      May 7, 2012 at 8:40 pm |
    • PerceivedReality

      @BRC
      You said
      "It doesn't matter how many people believe that because of their religion it is acceptable to create laws that deny opportunities and happiness to consenting adults with relationships that don't harm anyone else"

      But this will do harm, to young minds that see this promoted and considered normal. Who knows what kind of scenes children will see in everyday life through media and in public. It is already horrible, because parents give their kids an internet computer then walk away. If a child is going through a stage where they are figuring themselves out, they could be swayed and led astray. This decision will start a chain reaction that ends with alot more depravity in future generations. Married couples get tax breaks because marriage produces taxpayers. I shudder at the thought of children being raised by these other "couples" "Daddy what is shrimpin?"

      May 7, 2012 at 9:00 pm |
    • ajk68

      Harm is relative to the "good." How can you say anything harms a child if there is no absolute good?

      May 7, 2012 at 9:08 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      And what, in your opinion, would be an absolute good?

      May 7, 2012 at 9:33 pm |
    • DJ

      BRC: There's no "like" button or I'd click it for what you said. Very well put.

      Anonymous: Can you please at LEAST acknowledge the fact that pedophilia and bestiality are crimes because they are commited against helpless beings that aren't consenting adults, whereas gay marriage is a loving contract between two consenting adults? The comparison is ridiculous. Think of it this way. If you wanted a park to drop its "no food items" rule so you could picnic there, and I came along and said "Oh sure, next you'll be burying bodies in that park", you'd be a little bit annoyed that I made it sound like a completely different and far more sinister thing. That's what you're doing here.

      May 7, 2012 at 9:33 pm |
    • Peter E. Dish

      This whole fraud non-issue of some slippery slope leading to beastiality and pedophilia are already prevented in the law codes by a concept called "informed consent." Animals and children cannot become properly informed, and are either not mature enough or are incapable of giving consent. Informed consent also helps define rape.

      Anytime I hear people associate gay relations with having relations with children or animals, I know they are knuckleheads who are so hysterical that they cannot see the obvious.

      Informed consent. Can be understood and given by gay adults, cannot be understood or given by children or animals. Discussion over.

      May 7, 2012 at 10:40 pm |
  14. Trill

    ///Let's see the recent news...

    Kids getting r-a-p-e-d and s-o-d-o-m-i-z-e-d on FaceBook!

    G/M will soon be legal there by legitimizing that which is obviously un-natural for all the little boys and girls to see on TV! And in every aspect of society, its legal, must be good for them too!

    When is the public o-r-g-y facilitys going to be constructed in every city park?(I know there are already lots of clubs, but why hide it?)

    Hey Katy Perry just let your daughter know that when she hangs with friends on a friday night she looks forward to a me-na-ge a tro-is! Must be really cool!

    Brittany Spears likes to get down with 3P too!

    What wondeful culture we have for children!///

    May 7, 2012 at 8:18 pm |
    • DJ

      Your particular brand of hysteria would be far more amusing in cartoon form. As a human actually saying that stuff, it's just sad.

      May 7, 2012 at 9:47 pm |
    • PerceivedReality

      Its not my hysteria, it is American soceity, everything I posted is true, sad isn't it?

      May 7, 2012 at 11:30 pm |
  15. John

    Gimmee a break, CNN. We know you run all your copy by Lucifer himself. What a joke. Do us all a favor and stop running articles on religion and discontinue your "belief" blog. We know what it is, and we know what you are.

    May 7, 2012 at 8:13 pm |
    • ajk68

      CNN ... a shill for the devil. Agreed.

      May 7, 2012 at 9:14 pm |
    • Ozymandias71

      Ah, so you're here reading a Satan-approved blog? That's nice...

      May 7, 2012 at 11:41 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Who's "we", John? You got a mouse in yer pocket?

      May 7, 2012 at 11:44 pm |
  16. Aristocles

    0% of pious Catholics believe in marriage as anything than between a man and a woman. The pew survey is at least 20% off from reality, as seen in the gap between what the polls say and how people actually vote.

    May 7, 2012 at 8:07 pm |
    • Aristocles

      Anything OTHER than. Stupid CNN blog doesn't allow for editing a post.

      May 7, 2012 at 8:08 pm |
    • DJ

      You're absolutely wrong. I know a few Catholics who think people like you are the problem and that gay marriage should have been legal long ago. You just can't figure out that "right" does not mean "whatever I believe" and normal does not mean "whatever I am". That's just sad. The word "pious" has taken on a very negative meaning for a large segment of the population. I think it might be from the Greek for "pushy".

      May 7, 2012 at 9:51 pm |
    • Northington

      "pious" is latin for "d-bag"

      May 7, 2012 at 9:59 pm |
    • SouthernCelt

      The "pew" was no doubt in the Northeast, probably the same one the Kennedy's came from.

      May 7, 2012 at 10:43 pm |
  17. PerceivedReality

    Lol this blog sucks though, you can not talk about some issues even if they are issues the article is about! What a frickin joke this country is becoming. Back in the 80's this country kicked ass, now it is quickly fading into pagan Rome, shouldn't take long now!

    May 7, 2012 at 8:06 pm |
    • BRC

      Pagan Rome was a flourishing Empire that conquered and redefined most of the known world. Christian Rome tore itself to pieces through fractured infighting and dogmatic squabbles.

      So I guess you're saying... Yay?

      May 7, 2012 at 8:27 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      Pagan Rome was one of the most influental, successful, and cultural places the world has ever seen.

      May 7, 2012 at 8:32 pm |
    • PerceivedReality

      Also one of the most decadent, along with Greece.

      May 7, 2012 at 8:44 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      Decadent how? Because they didn't conform to your ideals?

      May 7, 2012 at 8:54 pm |
    • PerceivedReality

      Because they were a bunch of filthy pigs, apparently like you.

      May 7, 2012 at 9:04 pm |
    • ajk68

      Rome ... ruled by syphilis-ridden sociopaths ... executing people for fun ... what a great place !!!

      May 7, 2012 at 9:16 pm |
    • PerceivedReality

      Yea, but you had to admire Caligula's demented creativity!

      1:Line your own soldiers up against the wall restrained

      2:Cut off their penises one by one.3: Throw penises in cage full of starved dogs! Thats entertainment!

      Of course there was the old standby of forcing your soldiers into battle completely in the nude, with just a sword!

      May 7, 2012 at 9:33 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      Hmmm, so apparently on the later Roman empire matters to you, which was pretty much the last 100 years before christianity became the official religion and the pope began consolidating power. So the prosperity of rome before that was what, a fluke? How nice it must be to be able to nit-pick intellectually dishonest positions and feel justified about it.

      May 7, 2012 at 9:38 pm |
    • PerceivedReality

      Rome and Greece gave tremendous ideas to the world, hell the US is partialy based of their systems of governing. They can keep their society.

      May 7, 2012 at 10:14 pm |
  18. PerceivedReality

    I love the is blog, it is where alot of Athiests and a smidge of Christians enjoy wonderful dialogue!

    May 7, 2012 at 7:45 pm |
    • Northington

      Yeah, we love you too, squirt.

      May 7, 2012 at 7:48 pm |
    • BRC

      To be fair that smidge puts out a high volume of content.

      May 7, 2012 at 7:49 pm |
    • ciroc2323

      Yea, the militant godless come here to rant and rave against something they claim doesn't exist.
      btw, how was that absolute flop of a "reason rally"? The woodstock for atheists was an utter failure and laughing stock.

      May 7, 2012 at 8:54 pm |
    • PerceivedReality

      I respect the Atheists for their reason and logic, I just don't know why they align left. What is reasonable or logical about a headonistic society that is adrift in every indullgence and killing babys? I do not think extreme decadence is healthy, am I wrong? Where is the reason and logic in engaging in a lifestyle that is dangerous and unhealthy?

      May 7, 2012 at 10:02 pm |
  19. Guest

    It says "It’s worth noting the dramatic recent shifts on the issue among Roman Catholics, whose ranks include Biden." It's also worth noting, that Biden is a Catholic in name only. Along with Nancy Pelosi and Kathy Sebelius, he is just a politician who ignores the churches teaching when it's convenient. All three of them are not worth spit.

    May 7, 2012 at 7:32 pm |
    • BRC

      Do you feel that way about them because they claim to follow the church, but don't follow it hard-line and to the letter? Or do you feel that way about everyone who doesn't follow the Catholic Church?

      May 7, 2012 at 7:44 pm |
    • George

      Guest, you make a good point. The Catholic church has a large population of Episcopalians who wish to ne called Catholics. There was a time in history when the large flow of Catholic immigrants to this country concerned many because it was feared they would have a large impact. Enough time has gone by when it is now possible to see if that fear was simply bigotry or in fact valid. Unfortnately for the Catholic church, comign to America may prove On top of that, the democratizing of religion is the destruction of religion and God because of the age old adoration for the God of material over spirit. This is too bad. While some like to see religion as evil, and it certainly has had a checkered past, it still set the groundwork for better treatment of all.

      May 7, 2012 at 8:07 pm |
    • No Truth, Just Claims

      Since all Popes are picked by god how do you explain the contradictory teachings of the different Popes just in the last 100 years?

      May 7, 2012 at 8:15 pm |
    • ajk68

      There have been no contradictory teachings. Your statement is just malarkey from someone who either has no idea what he/she is reading, hasn't actually read the teachings, or is purposely misleading people.

      I study what the popes with a decent percentage of my time. I take classes on these teachings and I teach them.

      May 7, 2012 at 9:20 pm |
    • ajk68

      I guess the other possibility is that you take doctrinal lessons from Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden or Kathleen Sibelius.
      Or possibly Fr. Richard McBrien and his ilk.

      This is why the bishops should excommunicate these people. They mislead people.

      May 7, 2012 at 9:24 pm |
  20. Yeah....youre not right

    @yearight

    Do you live on this blog? Who stays on here and comments for days at a time? Theres one answer for that; LOSER

    May 7, 2012 at 7:10 pm |
    • Northington

      LOL
      And just how would YOU know if anyone was hanging around if you didn't do the same thing? LOLOLOL

      May 7, 2012 at 7:19 pm |
    • tcaros

      That's like going to the bar every day and complaining that the same people are up there all the time.

      May 7, 2012 at 9:52 pm |
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