By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor
Alexandria, Virginia (CNN) – A few hundred Mormons filed into a chapel just outside the Washington Beltway one recent Sunday to hear a somewhat unusual presentation: an Obama administration official recounting his conversion to Mormonism.
“I have never in my life had a more powerful experience than that spiritual moment when the spirit of Christ testified to me that the Book of Mormon is true,” Larry Echo Hawk told the audience, which stretched back through the spacious sanctuary and into a gymnasium in the rear.
Echo Hawk’s tear-stained testimonial stands out for a couple of reasons: The White House normally doesn’t dispatch senior staff to bare their souls, and Mormons hew heavily Republican. It’s not every day a top Democrat speaks from a pulpit owned by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
And yet the presentation by Echo Hawk, then head of the U.S. Bureau of Indian Affairs, is also a perfect symbol of a phenomenon that could culminate in Mitt Romney’s arrival at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue next year: The nation’s capital has become a Mormon stronghold, with Latter-day Saints playing a big and growing role in the Washington establishment.
The well-dressed crowd gathered for Echo Hawk’s speech was dotted with examples of inside-the-beltway Mormon power.
In one pew sits a Mormon stake president – a regional Mormon leader – who came to Washington to write speeches for Ronald Reagan and now runs a lobbying firm downtown.
Behind him in the elegant but plain sanctuary – Mormon chapels are designed with an eye toward functionality and economy – is a retired executive secretary of the U.S. Supreme Court.
A few pews further back, the special assistant to the U.S. Special Representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan sits next to a local Mormon bishop who came to Washington to work for Sen. Orrin Hatch of Utah and now leads a congressionally chartered foundation.
Mitt Romney, who would be the first Mormon president if elected, is the son of a Cabinet secretary under Richard Nixon.
“In a Republican administration, there will be even more Mormons here,” whispers the bishop, Lewis Larsen, pointing out prominent Washingtonians around the chapel. “Every Republican administration just loads up with them.”
Regardless of which party controls the White House, Mormonism in Washington has been growing for decades.
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When Larsen arrived in Washington in the early ’80s, there were a just handful of Mormon meetinghouses in northern Virginia, where he lives. Today, there are more than 25, each housing three separate congregations, or wards, as they’re known in the LDS Church.
“There’s been an absolute explosion in Mormon growth inside the beltway,” Larsen says before slipping out of the pew to crank the air conditioning for the swelling crowd.
The LDS Church says there are 13,000 active members within a 10-mile radius of Washington, though the area’s Mormon temple serves a much larger population – 148,000 Latter-day Saints, stretching from parts of South Carolina to New Jersey.
Signs of the local Mormon population boom transcend the walls of the temple and meetinghouses.
Crystal City, a Virginia neighborhood just across the Potomac River from Washington, has become so popular with young Mormons that it’s known as “Little Provo,” after the Utah city that’s home to church-owned Brigham Young University.
Congress now counts 15 Mormon members, including Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, according to the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life. That means the 2% of the country that’s Mormon is slightly overrepresented on Capitol Hill.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, a Democrat, is the highest-placed elected Mormon in Washington.
Even many Latter-day Saints joke about Washington’s “Mormon mafia” – referring to the number of well-placed LDS Church members across town – though they cringe at the thought of being seen as part of some cabal. (Echo Hawk, for his part, left the Obama administration a few weeks after his chapel presentation for a job in the LDS Church hierarchy).
“No one talks about Washington being an Episcopalian stronghold or a Jewish stronghold,” says Richard Bushman, a Mormon scholar at Columbia University. Talk of “Mormon Washington,” he says, “represents a kind of surprise that people who were thought of as provincial have turned up in sophisticated power positions.”
Bushman and other experts note that, despite Mormons’ growing political power, the official church mostly steers clear of politics. It’s hard to point to federal legislation or a White House initiative that bears distinctly Mormon fingerprints, while it’s easy to do the same for other faiths.
For example, the White House’s recent “compromise” on a rule that would have required religious groups to fund contraception for employees was mostly a reaction to pressure from Roman Catholic bishops.
Nonetheless, Mormon success in Washington is a testament to distinctly Mormon values, shedding light into the heart of one of America’s fastest-growing religions.
And though the official church is mostly apolitical, most rank-and-file Mormons have linked arms with the GOP. Romney’s own political evolution mirrors that trend.
Such forces help explain why Mormons’ beltway power is poised to grow even stronger in coming years, whether or not Romney wins the White House.
‘A ton of Mormon contacts’
For many Washington Mormons, religion plays a key role in explaining why they’re here.
Larsen, who sports a brown comb-over and tortoise shell glasses, arrived in Washington in the early 1980s as an intern for Hatch, also a Mormon.
He landed the internship courtesy of Brigham Young University, his alma mater. The Mormon school owns a four-story dorm on Pennsylvania Avenue, not too far from the White House, which houses 120 student interns each year. It’s the school’s largest such program in the nation.
“Part of our church’s tradition is to be connected with civic life, to make our communities better,” says BYU’s Scott Dunaway, who helps place students on Capitol Hill, at the Smithsonian and other Washington institutions. “We don’t believe in being reclusive.”
It’s a perfect characterization of Larsen. He grew up in Provo, in the shadow of BYU, and wanted to prove he could make it outside of Utah.
“Kids growing up in the LDS Church have been told, ‘Go ye out in the world and preach the gospel of Christ - don’t be afraid to be an example,’ ” Larsen said, sitting in the glass-doored conference room of the foundation he runs on K Street.
“So we are on our missions, converting people to Christianity,” he continued. “And coming to Washington, for me and probably for a lot of people, came out of that interest. We see it as our career, but also we’re going out to preach the word of Christ.”
For Larsen, that usually means correcting misinformation about Mormonism or explaining Mormon beliefs and practices – you really don’t drink coffee, ever? – over lunch with co-workers or at business functions, rather than on-the-job proselytizing.
He learned about integrating work and faith from Hatch. He was initially shocked to discover that the senator prays in his office each morning. Larsen and Hatch developed what the bishop calls a “father-son” relationship, with the intern rising up through the ranks to become Hatch’s chief Washington fundraiser.
“We would go on trips, and I’d quiz him on the plane: Why did the church do this? Why didn’t the church do this?” Larsen said. “He was like a tutor to me.”
Now, as the head of a foundation that educates teachers about the U.S. Constitution, the bishop helps other young Mormons with job leads and introductions. Larsen was appointed to the role by Hatch and the late U.S. Sen. Ted Kennedy.
Much of Washington’s Mormon professional network is still anchored by BYU, which operates a handful of big, well-connected alumni groups with major Washington chapters. The most prominent is BYU’s Management Society, a global organization whose biggest chapter is in Washington.
At the chapter’s recent alumni dinner, former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was the guest of honor. She has strong ties to the Mormon community and has hired Mormons as top aides. Says Larsen: “Condi’s got a ton of Mormon contacts.”
Patrice Pederson also knows how to work a Rolodex. A lifelong political activist, she moved from Utah to Washington last year and soon tapped into BYU’s local network.
Pederson served as the U.S.-based campaign manager for Yeah Samake, a Mormon running for president in the West African nation of Mali.
Samake traveled frequently to the U.S. to raise money and build political support, so Pederson enlisted the help of BYU’s Management Society and other groups to host events for the candidate.
Both in Washington and across the U.S., many Mormons are watching his candidacy.
“Members of the church on Capital Hill were anxious to introduce the candidate to other members of Congress,” says Pederson, sipping an herbal tea (Mormons eschew black leaf teas) in a strip mall Starbucks near her apartment in Alexandria, Virginia.
“It’s cool to have a member of the church running for president in Africa.”
Beyond making connections, many Washington Mormons say the LDS Church provides an ideal proving ground for careers here.
Unlike most churches, it has no professional clergy; from the bishop to the organist, each role is filled by everyday Mormons, most of whom have other day jobs. As a result, Mormons take church leadership roles at an early age, speaking publicly at Sunday services almost as soon they learn to talk.
“My kids grew up in the church, and we get together for three hours on Sundays, and each member needs to get up and speak,” says U.S. Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah. “By the time they graduate, they have all these speaking assignments that other teenagers just don’t have.
U.S. Rep. Jason Chaffetz, a Utah Republican, says Mormonism provides ideal training for aspiring politicians.
“For those who grow up in the Mormon church, they are taught skills that allow them to be successful in a tough city like Washington,” says Chaffetz, who converted to Mormonism shortly after college.
Young Mormons also hone leadership skills by serving missions away from home. The missions last from one and half to two years and happen when Mormons are in their late teens and early 20s and often include intensive foreign language training.
“Young Mormons are more formidable in public settings and international settings than others,” says Terryl Givens, a Mormon scholar at the University of Richmond. “Normally you would have to acquire more age and work experience before you feel comfortable and useful at NGOs and think tanks.”
Chaffetz, whose son is serving a mission in Ghana, says the experience is the perfect preparation for political careers.
“They learn rejection early on,” he says. “If you’re going to be in politics, that’s a pretty good attribute.”
Christina Tomlinson served her mission in nonexotic Fresno, California. But working with the Laotian community there, she acquired the foreign language skills that landed her first internship at the U.S. State Department.
“I look back at that and it’s nothing but divine providence,” Tomlinson says one night at an office building-turned-chapel in Crystal City, after a weekly discussion about Mormon teachings. “I would have never made those choices.”
When she arrived at her foreign service orientation in the late 1990s, Tomlinson was surprised to find that a half-dozen of her State Department colleagues were also Mormon. The thriving LDS community at State even runs its own e-mail list server so Latter-day Saints can find each other wherever in the world they’re stationed.
Like former presidential candidate Jon Huntsman, who used the Mandarin language skills acquired through a Mormon mission to Taiwan to help secure his job as President Barack Obama’s previous ambassador to China, Tomlinson leveraged her mission to get ahead at State, where she now serves as special assistant to the U.S. Special Representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan.
“I’m basically the chief of staff for the president’s representative charged with implementing U.S. foreign policy towards Afghanistan and Pakistan,” she e-mailed on a recent plane ride back from the region.
Language skills acquired on a Mormon mission helped Christina Tomlinson get her start at the State Department.
At the point of a bayonet
Like many Mormons, Tomlinson says her professional life is driven by a faith-based patriotism that sounds old-fashioned to modern ears: “I just really wanted to serve my country.”
But that distinctly Mormon patriotism was hard-won. From their very beginning, Mormons had tried to forge a special relationship with Washington. And for decades, they failed.
Joseph Smith, who founded Mormonism in the 1830s, petitioned the U.S. government to protect his fledgling religious community from the violent persecution it was experiencing, even meeting repeatedly with President Martin Van Buren.
But Washington refused, provoking Smith – who Mormons consider their founding prophet – to run for president himself in 1844. He was assassinated by an anti-Mormon mob in Illinois well before Election Day.
In the face of such attacks, Mormons fled west, to the territory that’s now Utah. But they continued to seek ties with Washington, dispatching representatives to the capital to lobby for statehood.
Congress refused to grant it. Instead, Uncle Sam disincorporated the LDS Church and sent the U.S. Army to police Mormon territory.
In the eyes of Washington, Latter-day Saints were flouting federal law by practicing polygamy. The feds saw the LDS Church as an undemocratic rival government that threatened Washington’s power.
Joseph Smith, Mormonism’s founding prophet, ran for president in 1844 but was killed before Election Day.
Mormons would eventually ban polygamy, paving the way for Utah statehood in 1896. But Congress nonetheless refused to seat the new state’s Mormon senator, who also served as a top church official.
For four years, the U.S. Senate held hearings to grill U.S. Sen. Reed Smoot and other church leaders, alleging that Mormons continued to practice polygamy despite promises to the contrary.
“The political trial was as much a galvanizing cultural moment as was Watergate,” says Kathleen Flake, a scholar of Mormonism at Vanderbilt University in Tenneessee.
When Smoot was eventually seated – after the LDS Church took further steps to stamp out polygamy – he managed to become a Washington powerbroker. He would chair the Senate Finance Committee and act as a presidential adviser.
“He was Mr. Republican,” says Flake. “For a while there, he was the Republican Party.”
Smoot’s unflagging pursuit of legitimacy in Washington, despite the city’s bias against him and his faith, symbolizes what many call a uniquely Mormon appreciation for American civic life. It helps explain the Mormon fascination with Washington to this day.
It may seen counterintuitive, but Mormons’ early exposure to persecution at the hands of other Americans – aided, Mormons say, by the U.S. government – wound up strengthening their patriotic streak.
In the face of attacks, Mormons clung to the U.S. Constitution and its unprecedented guarantee of religious freedom. They distinguished between the document and those charged with implementing it.
Mormon scripture goes so far as to describe the U.S. Constitution as divinely inspired, establishing a unique environment in which Mormonism could emerge.
“Mormons are superpatriots,” says Columbia University’s Bushman. “Joseph Smith said that if the government was doing its job as laid out in the Constitution, it would protect Mormons from their enemies.”
Mormons began to shed their Utah-only siege mentality and fanned out in the early part of the 20th century. Their patriotic streak, which translated into military enlistments and applications for government jobs, led many to Washington.
That wave included J. Willard Marriott, the hotel chain founder, who launched his business career by opening an A&W root beer stand here. He would go on to forge the kind of deep political connections that would help make Willard “Mitt” Romney his namesake.
Washington’s Mormon community got another boost in the 1950s when President Dwight Eisenhower appointed a top church official, Ezra Taft Benson, as his agriculture secretary.
“Mormons took it as a sign of maybe, just maybe, we’re being accepted,” says Flake. “It signified a cultural acceptance of Mormonism. People thought Mormons believed weird things, but also that they were self-reliant, moral and good neighbors.”
As Mormons became more accepted, they became more upwardly mobile, landing in parts of the country that could sustain careers in commerce, academia and government - another reason Washington was a big draw.
By the time there were enough Mormons in the eastern U.S. to justify the construction of the first Mormon temple east of the Mississippi River, the church chose a site just outside Washington.
The temple opened in 1974, shortly after another high-profile Mormon – George Romney, Mitt’s father – left his post as Richard Nixon’s secretary of Housing and Urban Development.
“The Washington temple served as a symbol of the triumphant return of Mormonism to the east,” says Givens, the University of Richmond professor. “Mormons left from the point of a bayonet in the 1800s and the temple is this gigantic symbol that says ‘We’re back – and we’re back in the nation’s capital.’ ”
The Mormon temple outside Washington was the first such temple built east of the Mississippi River.
Unlike Mormon meetinghouses, where members meet for Sunday worship, temples are grander buildings reserved for certain rites, such as proxy baptisms for the dead.
To this day, the first monument many Washington visitors see isn’t a federal landmark. It’s the massive Mormon temple, its Georgian marble towers and gold-leafed spires looming above the trees on the Washington Beltway like an otherworldly castle.
The temple houses a J. Willard Marriott-financed mural of Jesus Christ’s second coming, which features a picture of the Washington temple itself in the background.
“Are you implying that the millennium will begin in Washington?” a temple visitor once asked Marriott, referring to Jesus’ return.
Replied Marriott: “What better place is there?”
Good at organizing
These days, the Mormon impulse toward Washington is often as much political as patriotic.
Patrice Pederson - the campaign manager for the Mormon running for president in Mali - made her first foray into politics at 15, hopping the bus from her home in the suburbs of Salt Lake City into town to intern with a Republican candidate for the U.S. House.
“I remember that when Bill Clinton was elected, I wore all black to school that day,” says Pederson, who was in junior high at the time. “I was mourning the death of liberty.”
When then-Vice President Al Gore visited Utah, Pederson protested his speech with a homemade poster that said “Blood, Guts & Gore – Healthcare’94.” (She can’t recall the poster’s exact meaning).
Pederson’s activism as a “total hardcore right-winger” continued into her 20s. She put off college at BYU to start a “pro-family” advocacy group aimed at lobbying foreign governments and the United Nations. The work brought her to Washington so frequently that she decided to relocate last year: “I had more friends here than in Utah.”
Pederson’s path to D.C. speaks to the growing Mormon/Republican alliance since the 1960s, driven largely by the emergence of social issues such as abortion and gay marriage and the rise of the Christian Right.
“In the 1950s and ’60s, Utah became Republican,” says Bushman. “It’s partly about being anti-communist, but it’s also a response to the 1960s and the decay of old-fashioned moral virtues. It’s an anti-1960s movement, and the Republicans seemed to be the party of old-fashioned virtues.”
Pederson’s roommate, Kodie Ruzicka, grew up squarely in that movement, with her mom heading the Utah chapter of Eagle Forum, a conservative Christian group founded by rightwing icon Phyllis Schlafly.
In the 1970s, when the Catholic Schlafly led a successful grassroots campaign against the Equal Rights Amendment, which would have made gender-based discrimination unconstitutional, she enlisted the help of Mormons.
To its opponents, including the LDS Church, the ERA was the work of radical feminists who wanted to upend traditional gender roles.
Much of Schlafly’s organizing was among evangelicals, and “given the sometimes hostile evangelical line on Mormons, [Schlafly’s] Mormon outreach was kind of revolutionary,” says Ruzicka, who now works at the Justice Department. “But we’re good at organizing, and we have a lot of useful structures for it, so that was useful to her.”
Today, Mormons head Eagle Forum chapters across the West, including California, Arizona and Nevada, as well as Utah.
Bridge-building between Mormons and the conservative movement helps explain the Reagan administration’s push to hire many Mormons into the White House - which further cemented the alliance. That bond continues to lure Mormons to D.C.
Ruzicka, for one, continued in the political footsteps of her mother, arriving in Washington in her mid-20s to lead a nonprofit that promotes safe haven laws, which allow young mothers to legally abandon young children at fire stations.
Beyond hot-button social issues, U.S. Rep. Chaffetz says the Mormon faith engenders support for limited government.
“The church is very adamant about personal responsibility, and for people to voluntarily participate in service,” the Utah Republican says. “There’s this feeling that service is not something that should be mandated by government.”
The LDS Church, for its part, insists it is politically neutral and that it avoids pressuring Mormon elected officials to tow a church line. “The church’s mission is to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ, not to elect politicians,” the church’s website says.
Mormon experts say the church’s support for a relatively strict separation of church and state is born of the U.S. government’s refusal to help Mormons in the face of early persecution.
And after being accused of setting up a rival government around the turn of the last century, the church is loath to be seen giving marching orders to LDS politicians.
The church did, however, play a leading role in passing Prop 8, California’s gay marriage ban, in 2008. Church officials called it a moral cause, not a political one.
Plenty of critics disagree. But neither Mormon bishops nor church officials are known to lead the kind of church-based legislative lobbying efforts that Catholic bishops or evangelical leaders do.
Mitt Romney himself embodies the reluctance of Mormon politicians to connect their religion and their public policy positions, in contrast to politicians of other faiths.
That reluctance also appears to be born of anxiety over Americans’ lingering questions and doubts about Mormonism. When Pew asked Americans last year what word they associated with the Mormon faith, the most common response was “cult.”
In recent weeks, Romney’s newfound position as the presumptive Republican presidential nominee has produced a mix of excitement and worry among Mormons. That’s especially true in Washington, where politically savvy Latter-day Saints send out frequent e-mail round-ups of Mormon media coverage to their LDS networks.
“A lot of us know it’s ultimately a good thing, but it’s hard to feel like it’s a good thing because so much of the publicity is about things you wouldn’t talk about in polite company, like my underwear,” says Pederson, referring to the enduring fascination with Mormon undergarments.
Like many conservatives, Pederson is suspicious of Romney.
“I don’t like his waffling, to put it gently, on life and family issues,” she says. “But if it comes down to Romney versus Obama, hand me the pom-poms. I’ll be president of the Romney-Is-the-Best-We-Can-Come-Up-With-for-President Club.”
For now, Pederson is working with the National Right to Life Committee’s political action committee to raise money for the Romney effort, even as she makes up her mind about how actively she wants to promote his candidacy.
Some of her calculus is about weighing political reality against her conservative idealism. And some of it is about her next professional move. It’s a very Washington place to be.
– Video by CNN photojournalist Jeremy Moorhead
Rather than inculcating our children with the primary-color simple Sunday school legends and myths most people do, might I suggest the following ten comandments to enable them to think for themselves.
1. DO NOT automatically believe something just because a parent, priest, rabbi or minister tells you that you must.
2. DO NOT think that claims about magic and the supernatural are more likely true because they are written in old books. That makes them less likely true.
3. DO analyze claims about religion with the same critical eye that you would claims about money, political positions or social issues.
4. DO NOT accept it when religious leaders tell you it is wrong to question, doubt or think for yourself. It never is. Only those selling junk cars get frightened when you want to "look under the hood".
5. DO decouple morality from a belief in the supernatural, in any of its formulations (Christianity, Judaism, Islam etc.). One can be moral without believing in gods, ghosts and goblins and believing in any of them does not make one moral.
6. DO a bit of independent research into whatever book you were brought up to believe in. Who are its authors and why should I believe them in what they say? How many translations has it gone through? Do we have originals, or only edited copies of copies of copies– the latter is certainly true for every single book in the Bible.
7. DO realize that you are only a Christian (or Hindu or Jew) because of where you were born. Were you lucky enough to be born in the one part of the World that “got it right”?
8. DO NOT be an apologist or accept the explanation “your mind is too small to understand the greatness of god” or “god moves in mysterious ways” when you come upon logical inconsistencies in your belief. A retreat to mysticism is the first refuge of the cornered wrong.
9. DO understand where your religion came from and how it evolved from earlier beliefs to the point you were taught it. Are you lucky enough to be living at that one point in history where we “got it right”?
10. DO educate yourself on the natural Universe, human history and the history of life on Earth, so as to be able to properly evaluate claims that a benevolent, mind-reading god is behind the whole thing.
I sometimes think that, if we first taught our children these simple guidelines, any religion or other supernatural belief would be quickly dismissed by them as quaint nostalgia from a bygone era. I hope we get there as a species.
Blah! Blah! Blah! WASTING SPACE........
I like your thinking. Nice post!
'More concern regarding a possible Mormon President: 'The book points out monarchy as an ideal form of government, but only when the monarch is righteous. However, the book warns of the evil that occurs when the king is wicked and therefore suggests that it is not generally good to have a king. The book further records the decision of the people to be ruled no longer by kings, choosing instead a form of democracy led by elected judges.'
That is completely incorrect. The Book of Mormon certainly does NOT tout monarchy as the ideal form of government. Several times in the book, when the people try to establish a monarchy, they are warned that if an evil man is put in as king, he will lead them away from God. A major part of the book talks about a huge, terrible war fought to preserve liberty and resist the establishment of a monarchy.
CNN seems to be running all of these Mormon stories with a purpose. It wants to remind voters that Romney is not a Christian b/c many Americans remain religious bigots. This way they want start to think of Romney as a regular guy, someone they can vote for. This will aid CNN's candidate Barack Obama, who, one could add, chose for his minister/mentor a rabid anti-American who preached not only love but also hatred from his pulpit, which would be hard to deny if you've heard "the chickens have come home to roost" sermon.
Poor leadership is Gods curse on a nation.
So you basically just admitted that your god is not so good and loving...surprise surprise...all you need to do to realize this is to read the buybull. You poor delusional one...I'm sure the asylum has a nice padded room ready for you.
This canadian pos has no relevant opinion on American issues. That is not what is said and your butt in opinion is neither needed or wanted. There's your sign.
Moral discipline is a good and Godly thing. To allow a child no discipline or restraint is a severe abuse to the child's character.The same principle applies to nations, when a nation rejects God and allows things like ho mo se xual "marriage" it is past time for God to take said nation to the woodshed.One form of Gods loving discipline is allowing poor leadership, which if you are Canadian,as Captain America implies, is none of your business.
Joe Smith was a card shark, swindler, one big fraud. And all these idiot Mormons have this character as a prophet? lol I always thought people should get smarter over the centuries, but obviously not in this case or most cases. Geez these idiots still believe in magic underwear. When will we ever grow up?
REALLY?? Did you time travel back 180 years and see him, or your great great grandfather knew him??? NOOO of course not. Your credibility is zilch LOSER. Hes is on the list of Americas top 100 men in history since Americas beginning so you sound like a typical mormon hating fool.
haha your a tool!
I'll take mormonism over black liberation theology.
Ahhhh.....a TRUE inbred!!! YOUR religion is a cult and is also FALSE.
We can only hope that the mormons and the crazy evangelicals will destroy each other in D.C. Then the rest of us who rely on our own blood, sweat, and tears (and not an invisible man in the sky) can get down to the job of actually running this country.
Secularism is freedom from the oppression of religion.
It seems to me that you're free to believe or not to believe . No one is oppressed by religion here.
I also recall religion being oppressed in other parts of the world. Why not live and let live?
Wow, the GOP is trying to turn this country into a Theocracy(X-Tian of course), and you can say that no one is being oppressed by religion? Maybe if you were a Jew, Muslim, Buddist,Atheist, Tree hugger, whatever, you might start to feel a bit Oppressed!
You can practice those faiths here freely. Was it wrong for the communists to murder thousands of Orthodox clergy and laymen in Soviet Russia? Is that part of the secular society you want? Power and greed are the problem. NOT the religion those in power hide behind. Atheists have murdered their fair share of people as well.
Why would a low end, qu eer bait canadian be trying to undermine the foundation of America. Could it be that the pos has no relevance in its own country. There's your sign
doobie doo doo,,,POWER AND GREED? Ya ever seen a poor televangilist? The Vatican is one of the RICHEST nations on this planet! Man, get your head out of the sand!! Religion has killed more people in history than ANY other reason. You'd blame Atheists if you get a hangnail. Try a dose of reality PLEASE!
They r still a bunch of brainwashed cult followers..is that was anyone would want?
What's the definition of a cult? When someone believes different than you.
All religions are cults. There's your definition.
They produce more voters than illegal immigrants.
Mormonism is a cult founded by a false prophet. If you want to know what Mormons really believe, take time to watch these two videos. They are 10 minutes each.
oh yah thats a favorite, send people to the anti-mormon hate sites ( former mormons who were kicked out because there sickos) and they get it straight. RIGHT!! Just ask a real active Mormon what its about and you'll ge t truth. This article is very accurate. Those sites this clown directs you to are crap!!
The Mormons are not real popular in the Southwest except for those who are members of teh church. The are ruthless business people. They have tried numerous times to adopt Native American children and then claim land rights to the reservations so they can get teh natural gas and oil shale. They are great at saving beans and taking care of their own but do not care or help others outside of thier belief system which from an Anthropological view is a cult. A very large cult. Get you sunglasses out.
What's the definition of a cult? When someone believes something different than you.
No I am an anthropologists and an agnostic. So it really does not matter to me what others believe. Mormonism is still considered a cult.
hey Howie....is your IQ over 80??? Your a complaint idiot. They did have an adoption program over 40 years ago for Navajo children ( who needed a parent ) so they could be raised in a sound stable home in places like Cal, Ut, Idaho etc, but it was discontinued long ago. So i guess according to you, they must not have gotten enough oil hey buddy??? Ya Right. Anyone who knows normal active Mormons knows they are good upstand U.S Citizens who contribute massively to their country!!!
Jesus wasn't real popular in Jerusalem, either, as the government crucified him.
My family took in a Navajo girl when she was 9 years old. Ginny grew up with us and she is my sister in every way except blood relation. Ask her whether we took advantage of her or if it was the best thing that ever happened to her. http://www.sunflowergirlbooks.com
American Voters better watch out, Mitt Romney and the Mormon Church are going to change our way of life. Women better get ready to stay home, raise kids, clean house, and have dinner on the table when the "Man of the house" gets home from work.
he is runiing as a patriot, a successful businessman, and someone who wants to restore this country to where it was 30 and 40 years ago. He never talks of mormonism and mormons make up 6million out of 300 million, so hes not setting up a theocracy!! Get your head outta your butt!
yaaaah thats right......ridiculous foool statement. Look at the success of most mormon families over societys average family and you wont find nearly 50% divorce rate, or rapid infidelity, or domestic spousal abuse, less drug addiction among their children compared to most children, very high levels of education and very intelligent as a whole, etc, etc, etc!! So for all the mormon bashers, ur simply full of it. I really admire many of my friends who are LDS, there not perfect, but there prettey great people.
Why are you sticking to hateful, outdated stereotypes?
Sounds like Burke Lowry has a 14 year wife hidden somewhere?????? Dirty ba****d!
Really? That would be a dream come true. For that reason Alone I would vote for him. Please confirm for me that this is true !
"Under the doctrine of continuing revelation, Latter-day Saints believe that Jesus, under the direction of Heavenly Father, leads the church by revealing his will to its president, whom adherents regard as a modern-day "prophet, seer, and revelator". The current president is Thomas S. Monson.' That's all I need to read to know to understand the clear and present danger.
Maybe Mitt Romney is the Anti-Christ.
mormons are not christians–The book of mormon,another testament of jesus christ is not the word of God-It was a lie from the 1800s to this day–Cursed forever is the man who wrote it and the christ that he preached
Mormonism, Christianity, Islam, Judaism - they're all fundamentally misogynistic. As a woman, none of these organized religions have anything of value to offer me; nothing of value, at least, that I couldn't accomplish or have access to without them.
Maybe if I were a man, discussing Washington power influences of these churches would be interesting because these church heirarchies offer an easy means for men of questionable attributes, to gain power. They don't have to be the smartest or the strongest, they just need to be determined the "most spiritually pure" in order to move up the ranks. Women are valued as any chattel would be; by their ability to be calm, obedient followers, in their men's journey up the ranks.
You seem to have some outdated ideas. The LDS church most certainly does NOT teach that women are chattel. I have always been taught in church that women and men are all loved and valued by God as His spirit children. Also, to get an education, to improve my talents, to be self-sufficient, that husbands and wives are equal partners, and that it is very wrong for a man to think he has the right to dominate over his wife and children.
Happy Mother’s Day to Our Lady of Fatima, Woman of Genesis and Mother of Armageddon, the penultimate battle against Satan
1/9 What Mom can be greater than God’s own Mother? A Mother whose only Son can crush the head of the serpent?
2/9 When drawn into a sacred war, first consult Mary, USA’s Patroness, then, if still needed, go to war. Nonetheless: better late than never.
3/9 A breakthrough intelligence analysis reveals that 9/11 is a result of false preaching that America/Israel is the big/small Satan.
4/9 Therefore the correct move would have been and even now catching the real Satan and bringing him to justice.
5/9 Incidentally, the only way to catch Satan and bring him to justice is to catch the real Jesus Christ and bring Him to justice for RETRIAL.
6/9 Please note that Mary’s mission is to a) crush the head of the serpent and b) advance the reign of Christ, ie, catch the two big fish.
7/9 Man’s greatest gift to Mary this Mother’s Day 2012 is to give TRUTH, her son, A FAIR SHARE OF JUSTICE so that TRUTH can set mankind free.
8/9 In A SCIENTIFIC RETRIAL of TRUTH, Mary’s secret recipe of five loaves is the rock-solid evidence that proves Jesus is God.
9/9 Mary’s secret recipe of 5 loaves triggers the two fish (Jesus Christ and Satan) into ARMAGEDDON, RAPTURE, REDEMPTION.
The sooner the SCIENTIFIC RETRIAL of Jesus Christ, the better for Jerusalem, mankind and world peace. Happy Mother’s Day Mom!
What's so bad about a woman having s.ex - or s.ex, in general - that a mother needs to be portrayed as a virgin? What's so great about virginity, anyway - it's just someone who hasn't had s.ex, yet? Yeah, young people should wait because massive responsiblities accompany s.ex, but other than that, virginity is nothing special. Within hours of being born, we become populated with certain bacteria, so it's not like your body is ever really "pure" from the moment you enter this World.
Do you know that you're insane? I mean, do you ever sit back and think: "I'm writing some really crazy ****. I probably need to see a doctor."
I mean, the things you just wrote are nuts. It's religious flavored non-sense. And no, I'm not Satan. And no, you don't have a special understanding of God that I don't. You're just insane.
Blah! Blah! Blah!......mixing Politics with Religion is a very bad combination.
BYU actually has three campus. The first one in Provo Utah, the second in Honolulu, Hawaii and the newest in Rexburg Idaho. Between the three campus, BYU graduates thousands of Mormons every year. The academics at all three campus are very high.
They don't care how you bring 'em, just Brigham Young. They need door knockers.
Actually 4. The one in Jerusalem. BYU-Jerusalem.
Do all these Washington Mormons go around knocking on doors to convert people? It must get tiresome having to dodge them.
yah and get tiring for the poor 19 yr old kids who get guns pointed at them, beer bottles thrown at them, all types of hate speech and various threats!! Just put on your door " No morrmon Missionaries", its not to hard to "dodge them".
So much time spent on religion this or religion that. Our country's problem won't be solved by religion, cults, or dancing in the streets. What religion has really done is to polarize our country, bringing out the exremist and putting them on a pedestal. This is exactly what other countries have in their government, religion framing their form of govermnent such as the Taliban. We are suppose to be be different and above that, but we are not. We have evolved from a nation in which reason, fairness, and compromise have gone by the wayside to the "our way or the highway" mentality of these religious groups, of which claim to be rooted in Christianity, but in fact are selective in the teaching and application of Christian principals. If Christ were here today, he would denounce as it hate and bigotry has no place in his world.
Well said Jake, religion has no place in politics, time to wake up america and get your head out of the sand!! Religion divides people, do we need examples?
Yeah - these groups have now become like aggressive mobs, with torches and pitchporks, blinded by their fear and hate. Willing to throw you in a lake to see if you sink and check your person for "Signs of The Devil!" Same thing happened in Salem in the 1600s. Nothing changes, I suppose.
Prayer changes things
Yeah, prayer distracts people while they'e being exploited by opportunists. I don't believe God ever said "and thou shall stick your head in the sand, get lost in your own head and ignore social abuses".
The great social changes oh history came through prayer and action by Christians and churchmen.
Prayer does change things.
Prayer is talking with God and aligning oneself with the will and knowledge of God.
A good man prays
A great man acts on prayer
Prayer is the plan through which Gods change comes. God bless
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.......where's yours? Claims made without proof can be denied without proof. Your claim of 'prayer changing things' has been summarilly denied.
At least Mormonism is a home grown cult, not like the European transplants of Protestantism and Catholicism. Maybe that makes it more patriotic?
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