By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor
Alexandria, Virginia (CNN) – A few hundred Mormons filed into a chapel just outside the Washington Beltway one recent Sunday to hear a somewhat unusual presentation: an Obama administration official recounting his conversion to Mormonism.
“I have never in my life had a more powerful experience than that spiritual moment when the spirit of Christ testified to me that the Book of Mormon is true,” Larry Echo Hawk told the audience, which stretched back through the spacious sanctuary and into a gymnasium in the rear.
Echo Hawk’s tear-stained testimonial stands out for a couple of reasons: The White House normally doesn’t dispatch senior staff to bare their souls, and Mormons hew heavily Republican. It’s not every day a top Democrat speaks from a pulpit owned by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
And yet the presentation by Echo Hawk, then head of the U.S. Bureau of Indian Affairs, is also a perfect symbol of a phenomenon that could culminate in Mitt Romney’s arrival at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue next year: The nation’s capital has become a Mormon stronghold, with Latter-day Saints playing a big and growing role in the Washington establishment.
The well-dressed crowd gathered for Echo Hawk’s speech was dotted with examples of inside-the-beltway Mormon power.
In one pew sits a Mormon stake president – a regional Mormon leader – who came to Washington to write speeches for Ronald Reagan and now runs a lobbying firm downtown.
Behind him in the elegant but plain sanctuary – Mormon chapels are designed with an eye toward functionality and economy – is a retired executive secretary of the U.S. Supreme Court.
A few pews further back, the special assistant to the U.S. Special Representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan sits next to a local Mormon bishop who came to Washington to work for Sen. Orrin Hatch of Utah and now leads a congressionally chartered foundation.
Mitt Romney, who would be the first Mormon president if elected, is the son of a Cabinet secretary under Richard Nixon.
“In a Republican administration, there will be even more Mormons here,” whispers the bishop, Lewis Larsen, pointing out prominent Washingtonians around the chapel. “Every Republican administration just loads up with them.”
Regardless of which party controls the White House, Mormonism in Washington has been growing for decades.
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When Larsen arrived in Washington in the early ’80s, there were a just handful of Mormon meetinghouses in northern Virginia, where he lives. Today, there are more than 25, each housing three separate congregations, or wards, as they’re known in the LDS Church.
“There’s been an absolute explosion in Mormon growth inside the beltway,” Larsen says before slipping out of the pew to crank the air conditioning for the swelling crowd.
The LDS Church says there are 13,000 active members within a 10-mile radius of Washington, though the area’s Mormon temple serves a much larger population – 148,000 Latter-day Saints, stretching from parts of South Carolina to New Jersey.
Signs of the local Mormon population boom transcend the walls of the temple and meetinghouses.
Crystal City, a Virginia neighborhood just across the Potomac River from Washington, has become so popular with young Mormons that it’s known as “Little Provo,” after the Utah city that’s home to church-owned Brigham Young University.
Congress now counts 15 Mormon members, including Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, according to the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life. That means the 2% of the country that’s Mormon is slightly overrepresented on Capitol Hill.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, a Democrat, is the highest-placed elected Mormon in Washington.
Even many Latter-day Saints joke about Washington’s “Mormon mafia” – referring to the number of well-placed LDS Church members across town – though they cringe at the thought of being seen as part of some cabal. (Echo Hawk, for his part, left the Obama administration a few weeks after his chapel presentation for a job in the LDS Church hierarchy).
“No one talks about Washington being an Episcopalian stronghold or a Jewish stronghold,” says Richard Bushman, a Mormon scholar at Columbia University. Talk of “Mormon Washington,” he says, “represents a kind of surprise that people who were thought of as provincial have turned up in sophisticated power positions.”
Bushman and other experts note that, despite Mormons’ growing political power, the official church mostly steers clear of politics. It’s hard to point to federal legislation or a White House initiative that bears distinctly Mormon fingerprints, while it’s easy to do the same for other faiths.
For example, the White House’s recent “compromise” on a rule that would have required religious groups to fund contraception for employees was mostly a reaction to pressure from Roman Catholic bishops.
Nonetheless, Mormon success in Washington is a testament to distinctly Mormon values, shedding light into the heart of one of America’s fastest-growing religions.
And though the official church is mostly apolitical, most rank-and-file Mormons have linked arms with the GOP. Romney’s own political evolution mirrors that trend.
Such forces help explain why Mormons’ beltway power is poised to grow even stronger in coming years, whether or not Romney wins the White House.
‘A ton of Mormon contacts’
For many Washington Mormons, religion plays a key role in explaining why they’re here.
Larsen, who sports a brown comb-over and tortoise shell glasses, arrived in Washington in the early 1980s as an intern for Hatch, also a Mormon.
He landed the internship courtesy of Brigham Young University, his alma mater. The Mormon school owns a four-story dorm on Pennsylvania Avenue, not too far from the White House, which houses 120 student interns each year. It’s the school’s largest such program in the nation.
“Part of our church’s tradition is to be connected with civic life, to make our communities better,” says BYU’s Scott Dunaway, who helps place students on Capitol Hill, at the Smithsonian and other Washington institutions. “We don’t believe in being reclusive.”
It’s a perfect characterization of Larsen. He grew up in Provo, in the shadow of BYU, and wanted to prove he could make it outside of Utah.
“Kids growing up in the LDS Church have been told, ‘Go ye out in the world and preach the gospel of Christ - don’t be afraid to be an example,’ ” Larsen said, sitting in the glass-doored conference room of the foundation he runs on K Street.
“So we are on our missions, converting people to Christianity,” he continued. “And coming to Washington, for me and probably for a lot of people, came out of that interest. We see it as our career, but also we’re going out to preach the word of Christ.”
For Larsen, that usually means correcting misinformation about Mormonism or explaining Mormon beliefs and practices – you really don’t drink coffee, ever? – over lunch with co-workers or at business functions, rather than on-the-job proselytizing.
He learned about integrating work and faith from Hatch. He was initially shocked to discover that the senator prays in his office each morning. Larsen and Hatch developed what the bishop calls a “father-son” relationship, with the intern rising up through the ranks to become Hatch’s chief Washington fundraiser.
“We would go on trips, and I’d quiz him on the plane: Why did the church do this? Why didn’t the church do this?” Larsen said. “He was like a tutor to me.”
Now, as the head of a foundation that educates teachers about the U.S. Constitution, the bishop helps other young Mormons with job leads and introductions. Larsen was appointed to the role by Hatch and the late U.S. Sen. Ted Kennedy.
Much of Washington’s Mormon professional network is still anchored by BYU, which operates a handful of big, well-connected alumni groups with major Washington chapters. The most prominent is BYU’s Management Society, a global organization whose biggest chapter is in Washington.
At the chapter’s recent alumni dinner, former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was the guest of honor. She has strong ties to the Mormon community and has hired Mormons as top aides. Says Larsen: “Condi’s got a ton of Mormon contacts.”
Patrice Pederson also knows how to work a Rolodex. A lifelong political activist, she moved from Utah to Washington last year and soon tapped into BYU’s local network.
Pederson served as the U.S.-based campaign manager for Yeah Samake, a Mormon running for president in the West African nation of Mali.
Samake traveled frequently to the U.S. to raise money and build political support, so Pederson enlisted the help of BYU’s Management Society and other groups to host events for the candidate.
Both in Washington and across the U.S., many Mormons are watching his candidacy.
“Members of the church on Capital Hill were anxious to introduce the candidate to other members of Congress,” says Pederson, sipping an herbal tea (Mormons eschew black leaf teas) in a strip mall Starbucks near her apartment in Alexandria, Virginia.
“It’s cool to have a member of the church running for president in Africa.”
Beyond making connections, many Washington Mormons say the LDS Church provides an ideal proving ground for careers here.
Unlike most churches, it has no professional clergy; from the bishop to the organist, each role is filled by everyday Mormons, most of whom have other day jobs. As a result, Mormons take church leadership roles at an early age, speaking publicly at Sunday services almost as soon they learn to talk.
“My kids grew up in the church, and we get together for three hours on Sundays, and each member needs to get up and speak,” says U.S. Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah. “By the time they graduate, they have all these speaking assignments that other teenagers just don’t have.
U.S. Rep. Jason Chaffetz, a Utah Republican, says Mormonism provides ideal training for aspiring politicians.
“For those who grow up in the Mormon church, they are taught skills that allow them to be successful in a tough city like Washington,” says Chaffetz, who converted to Mormonism shortly after college.
Young Mormons also hone leadership skills by serving missions away from home. The missions last from one and half to two years and happen when Mormons are in their late teens and early 20s and often include intensive foreign language training.
“Young Mormons are more formidable in public settings and international settings than others,” says Terryl Givens, a Mormon scholar at the University of Richmond. “Normally you would have to acquire more age and work experience before you feel comfortable and useful at NGOs and think tanks.”
Chaffetz, whose son is serving a mission in Ghana, says the experience is the perfect preparation for political careers.
“They learn rejection early on,” he says. “If you’re going to be in politics, that’s a pretty good attribute.”
Christina Tomlinson served her mission in nonexotic Fresno, California. But working with the Laotian community there, she acquired the foreign language skills that landed her first internship at the U.S. State Department.
“I look back at that and it’s nothing but divine providence,” Tomlinson says one night at an office building-turned-chapel in Crystal City, after a weekly discussion about Mormon teachings. “I would have never made those choices.”
When she arrived at her foreign service orientation in the late 1990s, Tomlinson was surprised to find that a half-dozen of her State Department colleagues were also Mormon. The thriving LDS community at State even runs its own e-mail list server so Latter-day Saints can find each other wherever in the world they’re stationed.
Like former presidential candidate Jon Huntsman, who used the Mandarin language skills acquired through a Mormon mission to Taiwan to help secure his job as President Barack Obama’s previous ambassador to China, Tomlinson leveraged her mission to get ahead at State, where she now serves as special assistant to the U.S. Special Representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan.
“I’m basically the chief of staff for the president’s representative charged with implementing U.S. foreign policy towards Afghanistan and Pakistan,” she e-mailed on a recent plane ride back from the region.
Language skills acquired on a Mormon mission helped Christina Tomlinson get her start at the State Department.
At the point of a bayonet
Like many Mormons, Tomlinson says her professional life is driven by a faith-based patriotism that sounds old-fashioned to modern ears: “I just really wanted to serve my country.”
But that distinctly Mormon patriotism was hard-won. From their very beginning, Mormons had tried to forge a special relationship with Washington. And for decades, they failed.
Joseph Smith, who founded Mormonism in the 1830s, petitioned the U.S. government to protect his fledgling religious community from the violent persecution it was experiencing, even meeting repeatedly with President Martin Van Buren.
But Washington refused, provoking Smith – who Mormons consider their founding prophet – to run for president himself in 1844. He was assassinated by an anti-Mormon mob in Illinois well before Election Day.
In the face of such attacks, Mormons fled west, to the territory that’s now Utah. But they continued to seek ties with Washington, dispatching representatives to the capital to lobby for statehood.
Congress refused to grant it. Instead, Uncle Sam disincorporated the LDS Church and sent the U.S. Army to police Mormon territory.
In the eyes of Washington, Latter-day Saints were flouting federal law by practicing polygamy. The feds saw the LDS Church as an undemocratic rival government that threatened Washington’s power.
Joseph Smith, Mormonism’s founding prophet, ran for president in 1844 but was killed before Election Day.
Mormons would eventually ban polygamy, paving the way for Utah statehood in 1896. But Congress nonetheless refused to seat the new state’s Mormon senator, who also served as a top church official.
For four years, the U.S. Senate held hearings to grill U.S. Sen. Reed Smoot and other church leaders, alleging that Mormons continued to practice polygamy despite promises to the contrary.
“The political trial was as much a galvanizing cultural moment as was Watergate,” says Kathleen Flake, a scholar of Mormonism at Vanderbilt University in Tenneessee.
When Smoot was eventually seated – after the LDS Church took further steps to stamp out polygamy – he managed to become a Washington powerbroker. He would chair the Senate Finance Committee and act as a presidential adviser.
“He was Mr. Republican,” says Flake. “For a while there, he was the Republican Party.”
Smoot’s unflagging pursuit of legitimacy in Washington, despite the city’s bias against him and his faith, symbolizes what many call a uniquely Mormon appreciation for American civic life. It helps explain the Mormon fascination with Washington to this day.
It may seen counterintuitive, but Mormons’ early exposure to persecution at the hands of other Americans – aided, Mormons say, by the U.S. government – wound up strengthening their patriotic streak.
In the face of attacks, Mormons clung to the U.S. Constitution and its unprecedented guarantee of religious freedom. They distinguished between the document and those charged with implementing it.
Mormon scripture goes so far as to describe the U.S. Constitution as divinely inspired, establishing a unique environment in which Mormonism could emerge.
“Mormons are superpatriots,” says Columbia University’s Bushman. “Joseph Smith said that if the government was doing its job as laid out in the Constitution, it would protect Mormons from their enemies.”
Mormons began to shed their Utah-only siege mentality and fanned out in the early part of the 20th century. Their patriotic streak, which translated into military enlistments and applications for government jobs, led many to Washington.
That wave included J. Willard Marriott, the hotel chain founder, who launched his business career by opening an A&W root beer stand here. He would go on to forge the kind of deep political connections that would help make Willard “Mitt” Romney his namesake.
Washington’s Mormon community got another boost in the 1950s when President Dwight Eisenhower appointed a top church official, Ezra Taft Benson, as his agriculture secretary.
“Mormons took it as a sign of maybe, just maybe, we’re being accepted,” says Flake. “It signified a cultural acceptance of Mormonism. People thought Mormons believed weird things, but also that they were self-reliant, moral and good neighbors.”
As Mormons became more accepted, they became more upwardly mobile, landing in parts of the country that could sustain careers in commerce, academia and government - another reason Washington was a big draw.
By the time there were enough Mormons in the eastern U.S. to justify the construction of the first Mormon temple east of the Mississippi River, the church chose a site just outside Washington.
The temple opened in 1974, shortly after another high-profile Mormon – George Romney, Mitt’s father – left his post as Richard Nixon’s secretary of Housing and Urban Development.
“The Washington temple served as a symbol of the triumphant return of Mormonism to the east,” says Givens, the University of Richmond professor. “Mormons left from the point of a bayonet in the 1800s and the temple is this gigantic symbol that says ‘We’re back – and we’re back in the nation’s capital.’ ”
The Mormon temple outside Washington was the first such temple built east of the Mississippi River.
Unlike Mormon meetinghouses, where members meet for Sunday worship, temples are grander buildings reserved for certain rites, such as proxy baptisms for the dead.
To this day, the first monument many Washington visitors see isn’t a federal landmark. It’s the massive Mormon temple, its Georgian marble towers and gold-leafed spires looming above the trees on the Washington Beltway like an otherworldly castle.
The temple houses a J. Willard Marriott-financed mural of Jesus Christ’s second coming, which features a picture of the Washington temple itself in the background.
“Are you implying that the millennium will begin in Washington?” a temple visitor once asked Marriott, referring to Jesus’ return.
Replied Marriott: “What better place is there?”
Good at organizing
These days, the Mormon impulse toward Washington is often as much political as patriotic.
Patrice Pederson - the campaign manager for the Mormon running for president in Mali - made her first foray into politics at 15, hopping the bus from her home in the suburbs of Salt Lake City into town to intern with a Republican candidate for the U.S. House.
“I remember that when Bill Clinton was elected, I wore all black to school that day,” says Pederson, who was in junior high at the time. “I was mourning the death of liberty.”
When then-Vice President Al Gore visited Utah, Pederson protested his speech with a homemade poster that said “Blood, Guts & Gore – Healthcare’94.” (She can’t recall the poster’s exact meaning).
Pederson’s activism as a “total hardcore right-winger” continued into her 20s. She put off college at BYU to start a “pro-family” advocacy group aimed at lobbying foreign governments and the United Nations. The work brought her to Washington so frequently that she decided to relocate last year: “I had more friends here than in Utah.”
Pederson’s path to D.C. speaks to the growing Mormon/Republican alliance since the 1960s, driven largely by the emergence of social issues such as abortion and gay marriage and the rise of the Christian Right.
“In the 1950s and ’60s, Utah became Republican,” says Bushman. “It’s partly about being anti-communist, but it’s also a response to the 1960s and the decay of old-fashioned moral virtues. It’s an anti-1960s movement, and the Republicans seemed to be the party of old-fashioned virtues.”
Pederson’s roommate, Kodie Ruzicka, grew up squarely in that movement, with her mom heading the Utah chapter of Eagle Forum, a conservative Christian group founded by rightwing icon Phyllis Schlafly.
In the 1970s, when the Catholic Schlafly led a successful grassroots campaign against the Equal Rights Amendment, which would have made gender-based discrimination unconstitutional, she enlisted the help of Mormons.
To its opponents, including the LDS Church, the ERA was the work of radical feminists who wanted to upend traditional gender roles.
Much of Schlafly’s organizing was among evangelicals, and “given the sometimes hostile evangelical line on Mormons, [Schlafly’s] Mormon outreach was kind of revolutionary,” says Ruzicka, who now works at the Justice Department. “But we’re good at organizing, and we have a lot of useful structures for it, so that was useful to her.”
Today, Mormons head Eagle Forum chapters across the West, including California, Arizona and Nevada, as well as Utah.
Bridge-building between Mormons and the conservative movement helps explain the Reagan administration’s push to hire many Mormons into the White House - which further cemented the alliance. That bond continues to lure Mormons to D.C.
Ruzicka, for one, continued in the political footsteps of her mother, arriving in Washington in her mid-20s to lead a nonprofit that promotes safe haven laws, which allow young mothers to legally abandon young children at fire stations.
Beyond hot-button social issues, U.S. Rep. Chaffetz says the Mormon faith engenders support for limited government.
“The church is very adamant about personal responsibility, and for people to voluntarily participate in service,” the Utah Republican says. “There’s this feeling that service is not something that should be mandated by government.”
The LDS Church, for its part, insists it is politically neutral and that it avoids pressuring Mormon elected officials to tow a church line. “The church’s mission is to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ, not to elect politicians,” the church’s website says.
Mormon experts say the church’s support for a relatively strict separation of church and state is born of the U.S. government’s refusal to help Mormons in the face of early persecution.
And after being accused of setting up a rival government around the turn of the last century, the church is loath to be seen giving marching orders to LDS politicians.
The church did, however, play a leading role in passing Prop 8, California’s gay marriage ban, in 2008. Church officials called it a moral cause, not a political one.
Plenty of critics disagree. But neither Mormon bishops nor church officials are known to lead the kind of church-based legislative lobbying efforts that Catholic bishops or evangelical leaders do.
Mitt Romney himself embodies the reluctance of Mormon politicians to connect their religion and their public policy positions, in contrast to politicians of other faiths.
That reluctance also appears to be born of anxiety over Americans’ lingering questions and doubts about Mormonism. When Pew asked Americans last year what word they associated with the Mormon faith, the most common response was “cult.”
In recent weeks, Romney’s newfound position as the presumptive Republican presidential nominee has produced a mix of excitement and worry among Mormons. That’s especially true in Washington, where politically savvy Latter-day Saints send out frequent e-mail round-ups of Mormon media coverage to their LDS networks.
“A lot of us know it’s ultimately a good thing, but it’s hard to feel like it’s a good thing because so much of the publicity is about things you wouldn’t talk about in polite company, like my underwear,” says Pederson, referring to the enduring fascination with Mormon undergarments.
Like many conservatives, Pederson is suspicious of Romney.
“I don’t like his waffling, to put it gently, on life and family issues,” she says. “But if it comes down to Romney versus Obama, hand me the pom-poms. I’ll be president of the Romney-Is-the-Best-We-Can-Come-Up-With-for-President Club.”
For now, Pederson is working with the National Right to Life Committee’s political action committee to raise money for the Romney effort, even as she makes up her mind about how actively she wants to promote his candidacy.
Some of her calculus is about weighing political reality against her conservative idealism. And some of it is about her next professional move. It’s a very Washington place to be.
– Video by CNN photojournalist Jeremy Moorhead
Why don't Mormons have interfaith services with either Protestants or Catholics or the Orthodox ??? Something to hide ???? Will Romney in the unlikely event of getting elected swear on the Geneva Bible, Rheims-Douai Catholic Bible, Lutheran Bible, the King James Bible or the mormon cult book called the book of mormon ??? Jesus Christ did not preach to the American Indians ??? DNA of American Indians proves that.
The largest Mormon university is Brigham Young, named after a founder of the church. Brigham Young had 55 wives. Many of these women were already married. Many of the first husbands of these women were sent on LDS missions, solely so Brigham could marry them. He later divorced many of them. Does this sound like a christian church? Do a wiki search on Parley P. Pratt, Mitt Romney's great grandfather. He was killed by a jealous husband. He also had 12 wives. Cult or religion? Make your own decision. Then tell all your friends.
LOL King Solomon (wisest man ever according to the bible) had hundreds of wives and concubines.. You make fun of the mormon fairy tale while acting like your own isn't just as foolish.. How stupid.. Yeah, right, god had to sacrifice himself to himself to appease himself in a way to exploit a loophole in his own plan because a rib-woman had a conversation with a talking snake and did something "bad" before she even knew there was such a thing.. Then an invisible disease (sin) carried down in the blood to each person's invisible body part (soul) which just so happens to turn a loving god into a hell-creator/torturer.. Gimme a break.
Where in this world do you, John the Historian, get your ridiculous information... Do you understand the concept of "Free Agency?" As to who is the better writer, would depend on who was doing the reading. Which is better the Apple or the Orange? It's an individual thing. "Free Agency" again. We don't drink coffee, or alcholic beverages, or smoke because we
have believed that it is unhealthy. And medicine has proved us right. The idea that we never change our underwear is so ridiculous that it is obvious that you have never stood next to a Mormon. If that was true, No one on earth would be able to be around us. Therefore it's logical to assume Missionary work would be at a standstill, who whould ever hirer someone who would smell that bad, Bottom line the church would have the membership of zero instead of 14,000,000. I'm thinking some people don't have much going on in their lives, when they come up with this stuff.
jeanie–it doesn't matter if you don't drink or smoke or have "clean" lives–it doesn't make your religion true
As a Mormon, could you explain planet Kolob to us? Aren't Mormons descended from space travellers? And why can't I find planet Kolob in my Bible? I'm anxious to hear your answer.
I'll be honest, Kolob is one of those things that make me think folks did not have to drink or smoke (tobacco at least). There are times when I think that Mormonism and religion in general is a big fairy tale. OTOH – I was once an atheist. When science cannot prove something exists by direct observation, they look for indirect evidence in the form of predictable changes in other things that can be observed. I have seen enough changes in my life (including several that I did not plan on making but made voluntarily) that I really don't care if it is real or not. I know that my life is better and that I am happier because of my church affiliation than I ever was before it took place. Another form of proof is dose-response (see Karl Popper). I know that the more active I am in my church, the happier I am. Now lest I come across as a pseudo Saint, I fish on Sunday from time to time and tend to serve as a good bad example for many things. I have never been ostracized by my fellow members and have often been asked how was fishing..
To call Mormons as Christians or part there of, is fundamentally, historically and theoritically wrong. That's just total misbranding (or, faking) People should go read the Bible (e.g. KJV equivalent) and more so, last four verses to understand what's going to happen to anyone who appends to the Bible. Whether you accept Bible as truth or not, but at least but judge it for yourself (don't judge restriction won't apply to this).
We have not changed the Bible. The Bible continuously supports our beliefs. The Book of Mormon is NOT an appendage of the Bible. It is a separate book which is a SECOND witness to the Divinity of Jesus Christ. Another thing. There isn't anywhere in the Bible that says there will never be another Prophet called by God on the Earth. If you want to know the truth about anyone, get to know them and see how they live their lives. That is the best judge of who people are. Even in the church we have Republicans, Democrats, Independents, Libertarians. FREE AGENCY. FREEDOM of CHOICE. It is obvious to many that the "Mormon Haters" do NOT believe in one of this country's greatest freedoms, freedom of religion and to worship as the individual believes. If they had their way there would be only one religion and you'd be jailed if you didin't believe it. Very UNAMERICAN.
What is your definition of a Christian?
Why did Romney learn French anyway ? Any mormon temple will never compare with Notre Dame ???? Mormonism will never be able to compete with Catholics, Orthodix, or evangelical groups like Baptist or for that fact with non-believers atheists or agnostics whose numbers go up every year ? I just don't understand why non-mormons can't walk into a temple as any non-Catholic can to to their churches and see what is inside their temples. What are mormons hiding ??? Why could Pat Buchanan not attend his sister's mormon wedding ???? Explain if you have nothing to hide.
He didn't miss much. Mormon weddings are really pretty boring. The receptions are nothing to brag about either. On the other hand, those honeymoons are something else.
john–you are picking at things that are neither here nor there about the mormon religion-Mormons believe that the book of mormon,another testament of jesus christ is the word of God--Joeseph smith wrote about and preached a cursed christ and a false god-It's a religion of darkness and slavery of the mind–You keep mentioning these temples -the proof in the pudding is their own book--joeseph smith was a liar and a muderer from the beggining and mormons are cursed even to the 7th generation
I don't have any kids. You mean I'm going to have to carry 7 generations worth of curses. Hell, you are nuttier than the historian.
possum–no–im saying most mormons are born into the religion–joeseph smith is a cursed sick man and there are still people who believe his god–a cursed god like the man
If, as you say, most Mormons are born into the religion and it is true that Mormonism is one of the fastest growing religions in the country, why those folks must be proliferating like rabbits. Goes to show that you don't have to drink or smoke to have a good time.
Okay – now, as a Mormon, I believe in the same God that Abraham believed in. Now the God that I believe in had a son. He was born in Bethlehem. His mom was Mary. He went around doing good, aggrevated the religious establishment at the time because he did not go along with their holier-than-thou BS and had the audacity to say that we should forgive folks who did something against us. He was set up, arrested and executed by the Romans. He supposedly rose from the dead three days later (now I have tough time with that at times but it is what the LDS church teaches).
Please tell me how my God differs from your God up to that point. To heck with the golden plates, Joe Smith, Brigham Young – they are all auxillaries as far as I am concerned.
There might be nice, good, kind mormons and I have meet some but they are naive and being deceived by the mormon cult. There is no theological or historical base for the mormon faith. Joseph Smith and Brigham Young were con men and polygamists. Read some Thomas Aquinas, Bonhoeffer, Thomas More, Voltaire, John Locke, Diderot, Milton, Cranmer, Calvin, Zwingli or John Knox and find out about true Christianity. Mormons please learn about other religions and start to question the mormon cult. There must be a reason why non-mormons can't just wonder around a mormon temple after a cult service or why non-mormons can't attend a mormon marriage ceremony. What are they hiding ????
I was a Baptist. My wife was Catholic. At least two folks I know are Jewish. We are all now Mormons. Mormon temples are open to the public when they are built and after they have been remodeled. The public is invited to tour them and ask questions about what goes on there. Check around, there are temples being built all the time. You may have to travel a ways but if you really want to see what is inside and find out what goes on, you can do it.
Joe Smith was not a god nor was Brigham Young. The LDS leaders I know are all mortal men who make mistakes – some of them are pretty serious. It would be great if becoming a Mormon immunized you against making mistakes but it does not work that way. However they all do their best to do right thing and they do it for nothing. None of the leaders of the Mormon church asked for the positions they hold and most are relieved when they are replaced.
Will replica gold tablets be put on display in the court houses of the US in the unlikely event Romney gets elected ? I really want to see these gold tablets ? What were the justifications for polygamy anyhow ????
One of the justifications for polygamy is that the Missourians and trek to the west had killed so many LDS men and left so many widows and orphans that it made sense for men of substance to take multiple wives in order to care for them and their kids.
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Putting the kibosh to all religions:
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• There was probably no Abraham i.e. the foundations of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are non-existent.
• There was probably no Moses i.e the pillars of Judaism, Christianity and Islam have no strength of purpose.
Adverb: Almost certainly; as far as one knows or can tell.
• There was no Gabriel i.e. Islam fails as a religion. Christianity partially fails.
• There was no Easter i.e. Christianity completely fails as a religion.
• There was no Moroni i.e. Mormonism is nothing more than a business cult.
• Sacred/revered cows, monkey gods, castes, reincarnations and therefore Hinduism fails as a religion.
• Fat Buddhas here, skinny Buddhas there, reincarnated Buddhas everywhere makes for a no on Buddhism.
A quick search will put the kibosh on any other groups calling themselves a religion.
"The origins of Taoism are unclear. Traditionally, Lao-tzu who lived in the sixth century is regarded as its founder. Its early philosophic foundations and its later beliefs and rituals are two completely different ways of life. Today (1982) Taoism claims 31,286,000 followers.
Legend says that Lao-tzu was immaculately conceived by a shooting star; carried in his mother's womb for eighty-two years; and born a full grown wise old man. "
I don't hate anyone. I just have meet mormons often on their missionary work and in the public library. I have talked to them and have observed them in public. I also worked with mormons and know they can be very secretive about their faith. I believe if most mormons were confronted with what they believe in their faith in mormonism would crumble. I will never believe Jesus Christ preached to the American Indians, I will never believe Joseph Smith received gold tablets, I will never believe Brigham Young was a great man and I will never believe the book of mormon is part of the bible. Mormonism is a true americana cult, very American-centric and so can not be considered Christianity. I just want an apology from the mormon cult that says we have held many false beliefs including polygamy, Brigham Young led an unholy life, we have flip flopped on race, polygamy, slavery, and we are currently wrong on Gay rights. Joseph Smith was just a con man who died in a gun battle. Who would Jesus shot ? There is nothing special about Salt Lake City or Nauvoo, Missouri it is just a spot on the planet. Just admit it.
John-The book of mormon,another testament of jesus christ written by joeseph smith is the word of God or it is not-The truth is it is not the word of God and that the christ that joeseph smith wrote and preached about is false and cursed as is the founder of the mormon religion–joeseph smith-–mormons are not christians
It is funny that people who were so scared of Mormons and how they will destroy the country with their Values don't know what to say when prominent Mormons are identified to them for the first time. Harry Reid, Fmr. Secretary Mike Leavitt, or even Marriott hotel founders. They blather and slather, but inside we know they realize that Mormons pretty much live among you and you never know it. Our stealth campaign to be accepted has been won- some of you just don't know it yet. Better ask your neighbor again what church they go to- they just might be Mormons!
The guy on the bar stool next to you may be a Mormon too. They are everywhere. Some of them are even Democrats and I've heard that a few even support the right of gay couples to be married in whatever civil or religious setting that will recognize their union. Crafty rascals. Next thing you know, they will be marrying Baptist and Methodist kids.
They dont drink caffine because it make their skidmarks bigger in their sacred mormon magical underwear,go back to your god on planet kolob
@Mormon magical underwear
All I can say is wow. I am sorry that you find enjoyment in attempting to tear down a religious group by making silly comments but it’s ok at least I choose to forgive you.
You been measuring skidmarks on underwear?
@John the historian
Clearly you don't like LDS... but why?
John the Historian is certainly no geographer. He does not know that much about mormons either. The LDS church has not banned caffeine.
Latter day cult is what they are.
Why is there no mention of rookie phenom Bryce Harper with the Nationals, the most influential member of the LDS faith in Washington?
Radical Islam will have a strong hold as well, given a generation or two down the road. They lay in waiting while we worry about the Mormon take over! Sharia law here we come; heads are gonna roll!
Will Romney want a Supreme Court decision banning the movie Latter Days ??? I loved the movie especially when the mother slaps he son when he says But what if it isn't for what I have done but for who I am. Mormons cult can even accept the American Psychology Association decision of 1973 that being Gay is innate. Mormons really need to get educated. I wonder how many closet Gay mormon leaders are there and then pushing them to have as many children as they can. How gross.
Will Nauvoo, Missouri in the unlikely event of Romney winning, be our new capital ????
Sorry dude but Nauvoo is in Illinois. The other side of the river is Iowa. So I can definitely say that Nauvoo Missouri will not be the next capitol.
I truly doubt that Nauvoo, Missouri will be the new capitol since Nauvoo is in Illinois.
Why was caffeine banned by mormons ?????
Caffeine is not banned.
Caffeine has never been banned.
Wrong again, John. Caffeine never banned!
Who is a better writer Joseph Smith or Voltaire ????
Why was Romney a failure in converting the French to mormonism ? What went wrong ????
The French aren't much interested in any particular religion. Not sure what your point is. "John is a failure at writing provacative web posts. What went wrong???
There aren't many Mormons in France but there is a temple being built near Paris very soon. How exciting!
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