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Is the black church guilty of spiritual hypocrisy in same-sex marriage debate?
Delman Coates at Mt. Ennon Baptist Church is among a minority of black ministers in Maryland who have endorsed gay rights.
May 12th, 2012
08:00 AM ET

Is the black church guilty of spiritual hypocrisy in same-sex marriage debate?

By John Blake, CNN

(CNN) - Some people wonder if the black church will punish President Barack Obama for announcing support for same-sex marriage.

Here’s another question:

Why would the black church cite scripture to exclude gays when a similar approach to the Bible was used to enslave their ancestors?

“It’s so unfortunate,” says James Cone, one the nation’s most influential black theologians and author of “The Cross and the Lynching Tree.”

“The literal approach to scripture was used to enslave black people,” he says. “I’ve said many times in black churches that the black church is on the wrong side of history on this. It’s so sad because they were on the right side of history in their own struggle.”

Call it historical irony: Black church leaders arguing against same-sex marriage are making some of the same arguments that supporters of slavery made in the 18th and 19th centuries, some historians say. Both groups adopted a literal reading of the Bible to justify withholding basic rights from a particular group.

CNN’s Belief Blog: The faith angles behind the biggest stories

Opposition to gay rights is not the standard position of all black churches. Still, while several predominately white mainline denominations have officially accepted gays and lesbians in various forms, the vast majority of black churches still consider homosexuality a sin.

Black church leaders recently helped lead a successful drive to amend North Carolina’s constitution to ban same-sex marriage. The Rev. Fred Robinson, a black pastor in Charlotte, says most black churchgoers aren’t hypocrites. They take scripture, and sin, seriously.

“Black people are not confused,” Robinson says. “If you look at the scriptures that oppose homosexuality, Old and New Testament, they are clearer cut than the ones people used to justify slavery.”

Yet there are other factors beyond the Bible that shape the black church’s resistance to same-sex marriage.

“It’s more than scripture – it’s history, culture, how we were raised,” says the Rev. Tim McDonald, founder of the African American Ministers Leadership Council.

Some black church leaders are still fighting hard just to persuade straight black couples to marry. Accepting same-sex marriage when so many black households lack a husband and wife makes McDonald uneasy.

“I am not comfortable performing a wedding ceremony of the same sex,” says McDonald, an Obama supporter. “That’s just where I am.”

Some black pastors, however, embrace a literal approach to the Bible not just to exclude gays but to get rid of competition, says Edward Blum, a San Diego State University historian.

Some black pastors cite New Testament passages such as Paul’s demand that women keep silent in churches to argue against black women in the pulpit.

That argument is harder to make when black women’s energy and donations form the backbone of the black church, Blum says, but some still get away with it.

“The biblical literalist reading has kept male leadership in power in a church that is hugely female,” Blum says. “It keeps power in men’s hands.”

The one book that mattered

Black churches also embrace a literal reading of the scripture because of its unique history, says Blum, author of “W.E.B. DuBois, American Prophet.”

During slavery and segregation, many blacks saw the Bible as the one document they could trust. The Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, state and local laws – all found some way to ignore their humanity, Blum says.

The Bible, though, was one book that told them that they weren’t slaves or three-fifths of a person, Blum says.

It said they were children of God.

“Throughout the 18th and 19th century, what document could they trust?” Blum says. “When the Bible says it’s so, it’s something that black people believed they could trust.”

Their enemies, though, used that same veneration of the Bible against them. Slaveholders had a simple but powerful argument when critics challenged them: Trust the Bible.

They cited scriptures such as Ephesians 6:5. (“Slaves, be obedient to those who are your earthly masters, with fear and trembling. ...”) And they said Jesus preached against many sins, but never against slavery.

Since the Bible is infallible, and scripture sanctions slavery, it must be part of God’s order, slaveholders concluded.

“Slavery is everywhere in the Bible,” Blum says. “When Americans who were in favor of slavery defended it with the Bible, they had a treasure trove of clear biblical passages that accepted enslavement.”

Blum says abolitionists found it difficult to mount an effective counterargument. They couldn’t just say trust the Bible. They preached another approach to scriptures.

They said you couldn’t enslave people based on the Golden Rule: Do unto others as you would have them do to you. (Obama cited the Golden Rule and his Christian faith in supporting same-sex marriage).

“The abolitionist turned to the ethics and spirit of the Bible,” Blum says. “They were theological modernists before modernism.”

And what are black clergy and churchgoers today when they cite the Bible to oppose same-sex marriage?

Robinson, the North Carolina pastor, says they’re not homophobes.

“It says in the Bible that homosexuals will not inherit the Kingdom of God,” he says. “How do you explain that one away? A lot of honest Christians are not trying to hate homosexuals. They’re saying that if I take the Bible seriously, I’m not sure I can say it’s right.”

Robinson says that some opposition to homosexuality is actually based in compassion:

“If I’m concerned about your soul, I have to tell you the truth in love.”

Cone, who teaches at Union Theological Seminary in New York City, says black churchgoers opposed to same-sex marriage are instead mimicking their ancestors’ oppressors.

“I tell some people, ‘These people were against you.’ They would have lynched you. How are you going to now join them and help them lynch somebody else?’”

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Barack Obama • Christianity • Culture wars • Gay marriage • Gay rights • Homosexuality • Politics

soundoff (4,348 Responses)
  1. Tyrese Johnson

    Ethnicity and religion has nothing to do with this. I'm against gay marriage because two dudes kissing is just gross.
    You won't have my vote.

    May 12, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      why do you care so much?

      May 12, 2012 at 2:41 pm |
    • josh1

      Now that is the worst reason ever. Let's deny a certain population civil rights because you don't like seeing them kiss each other... Yikes...

      May 12, 2012 at 2:44 pm |
    • Tyrese Johnson

      Because I don't want my kid ending up sucking the shii of some guy's d|ck. It's lowly and he's better than that.

      May 12, 2012 at 2:44 pm |
    • josh1

      I guess 50 years ago that was the same reason people did not want black and white people to get married.

      May 12, 2012 at 2:47 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      lol, i hope you're kid is g.a.y. sweet sweet irony....

      May 12, 2012 at 2:49 pm |
    • Kandric

      What about two girls kissing? Most straight men love that...

      May 12, 2012 at 3:33 pm |
  2. Godoflunaticscreation

    Wait I thought Jesus was gay! After all he did get nailed by a bunch of Romans in bondage gear.

    May 12, 2012 at 2:37 pm |
    • Eric G

      Based on what percentage of the population is gay, there was a real possibility that Jesus or one of the 12 deciples was gay.

      May 12, 2012 at 2:43 pm |
  3. n8362

    It is immoral to impose your religious superstition on others.

    You do not believe in religion because you honestly think it is true, you believe in it because you fear mortality or are seeking meaning in your life. It does not take a genius to figure out all religion is man made, so for humanity's sake, please stop lying to yourself.

    Deluding yourself in religion does not change reality. Lying to yourself is probably the worst possible way to try to find meaning.

    May 12, 2012 at 2:37 pm |
    • Mike1

      Lying is wrong. Who is imposing their beliefs on you? Everyone is saying what they believe and you can ignore it or listen.

      May 12, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      legally telling someone who they can and can't marry isn't imposing your beliefs on someone? derp!

      May 12, 2012 at 2:42 pm |
    • Mike1

      Bootyfunk,I agree gay people should stop trying trying to change the law.

      May 12, 2012 at 2:44 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      it's straight people trying to change the law to keep loving g.a.y couples from marrying. there's was no law against g.a.y.s getting married until h.omophobes like you spazzed out and decided to shove your own religious views down other people's throats.

      May 12, 2012 at 2:48 pm |
  4. Mike1

    The Bible does not support slavery. http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/slavery_bible.html

    May 12, 2012 at 2:36 pm |
    • SciGuy

      The scriptures do not condemn slavery as slavery.

      May 12, 2012 at 2:38 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      jesus himself supported slavery:
      Luke 12:37-38
      37 "Blessed are those slaves whom the master will find on the alert when he comes; truly I say to you, that he will gird himself to serve, and have them recline at the table, and will come up and wait on them.
      38 "Whether he comes in the second watch, or even in the third, and finds them so, blessed are those slaves.”

      there are rules for selling your own daughter into slavery. there are rules for how badly you can beat your slaves. you obviously have no idea what the bible says.

      May 12, 2012 at 2:40 pm |
    • Mike1

      Bootyfunk =liar.

      May 12, 2012 at 2:42 pm |
    • mjcc1987

      However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

      If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

      Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

      Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

      The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

      May 12, 2012 at 2:42 pm |
    • Mike1

      Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching : verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself , and make them to sit down to meat , and will come forth and serve them. 38 And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.
      Luke 12:37-38

      Notice how the liar switch servant and slave.

      May 12, 2012 at 2:43 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      @Mike

      hahaha, you're awesome. i show you proof of my claim and you still call me a liar. christian business as usually.

      May 12, 2012 at 2:44 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      actually, the people translating the bible into more palatable verses took out the word "slave" and put in "servant". it's how christians try justify their evil book. and by the way, i didn't change anything. depends on which version of the bible you read whether they've changed slave to servant. you like to sugar coat the bible, as many christians do.

      May 12, 2012 at 2:46 pm |
    • bowsbuffalo

      "Both your male and female slaves, whom you shall have, shall be of the nations that are round about you; of them shall you buy male and female slaves."–Leviticus 25:44

      Yes it does.

      May 12, 2012 at 2:47 pm |
    • Mike1

      "He who kidnaps a man, whether he sells him or he is found in his possession, shall surely be put to death." (Exodus 21:16)

      Slavery means something totally different in the Bible than how you are interpreting it. It is really like a contract of work. People that would otherwise starve to death agree to work for food and shelter. They agree to do it.

      May 12, 2012 at 2:47 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      christians love to sugar coat slavery. if slavery meant "employee", what did they call actual slaves? the bible was written by men that thought slavery was the way of the world - and it was, back then. but now we know how evil slavery is. it shows the bible was written by men that were products of their time, not divinely inspired. surely god would have gotten that one right - thou shalt not own another human being. there are rules in the bible for how to beat your slaves and how to sell them - if they were just servants, would you be able to physically beat them?

      May 12, 2012 at 2:53 pm |
    • Minister

      @bootyfunk
      Your unserstanding of scripture makes you look bad. the word in the scripture that your talking about "Servants" can me slave. This is the whole definition
      1) a slave, bondman, man of servile condition
      a) a slave
      b) metaph., one who gives himself up to another's will those whose service is used by Christ in extending and advancing his cause among men
      c) devoted to another to the disregard of one's own interests
      2) a servant, attendant
      You have to learn to read the whole context of the scripture before you throw in your own meaning. Then you have to have revelation which only comes from God. But since you are carnal minded the spiritual things of God and His word which is the Bible are confusing to you.
      1 Corinthians 2: 9-16
      "9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. 10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. 11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ."

      May 12, 2012 at 3:09 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      @minister
      you excuses for the promotion of slavery in the bible make you look bad. you seem to think there was a golden age of slavery where slaves were treated just like family members. that's ridiculous. slaves have always been brutally treated.

      answer this, if slaves were treated so well and just servants, why are there rules for beating them in the bible? will you make excuses for that too? "but some servants wanted to be beaten!"

      May 12, 2012 at 3:28 pm |
  5. CSX

    Wow, good things most blacks don't pay attention to CNN (read news) and pay attention to basketball.
    You just offended them. But they already sold their soul. The so-called Christians already vote no less than 92% for the baby killing Sodomite lovers. So what is the difference?

    They are fake any way. Praising God on Sunday and sucking the country dry every other day.

    May 12, 2012 at 2:36 pm |
    • npkuiper

      Any way is actually spelled anyway.

      May 12, 2012 at 2:40 pm |
  6. still my guitar gently weeps

    I like how CNN is practically telling blacks that they condone slavery if they're against Obama and his view on gays. Boy, the media is so stealthy with their spin!!
    It's not just God who views being gay as wrong, it's Mother Nature and the Universe too. They can't naturally procreate. The laws of nature don't lie. Just like gravity.

    May 12, 2012 at 2:36 pm |
    • Observer

      God and Mother Nature supposedly created ALL the h0mos-xuality in nature.

      May 12, 2012 at 2:37 pm |
    • josh1

      two things:
      1) attraction to the same gender is extremely common in nature and exists in numerous species.
      2) The article does not state anything like what you mentioned, you create this out of thin air.

      May 12, 2012 at 2:40 pm |
    • charles stevens

      I had a friend who was sterile should he have been denied marriage to a woman since he cannot procreate naturally?

      May 12, 2012 at 2:47 pm |
    • hehe

      poor gay penguins

      May 12, 2012 at 5:55 pm |
  7. Traygone

    What we can learn from the Bible is, Some beast were meant to be slaves and some folks were meant to be Massa

    May 12, 2012 at 2:35 pm |
    • Harland Sanderz

      Aaaaa-men!

      May 13, 2012 at 2:01 am |
  8. SciGuy

    It's not just the literal meaning of the bible, it is the plain meaning. You cannot condone hom.ose.xuality without throwing out the teachings of the scriptures. You might as well condone adultery and idolatry.

    May 12, 2012 at 2:35 pm |
    • dsavio

      So throw the trash out!

      It's a book of lies made up two millennia ago! Give it up!

      May 12, 2012 at 2:38 pm |
    • Observer

      Yes. It's all hypocritical pick-and-choose.

      May 12, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
  9. Ben

    I didn't know that people are punishing Obama by not voting for him?? Now he's a victim? Ok CNN...can you just come out and formally endorse the president already.

    Little lesson on Jesus Christ, He never preached a sermon on adultery rarely even talked about it to be honest. Except when Mary came around. They wanted to stone her, were well within the law to do so. He convinced them not to. So even though the old testament (the law) stated to kill her, just like slavery, he made an effort to show not everything in the law was to be followed. From my point of view the lings in the law that allowed man power over another was removed with the new testament. BUT the law which demands mans self obedience remained. He acknowledged her sin and told her not to do it anymore. SOOO just because Jesus didn't include every sin in his sermon on the mound doesn't mean he didn't believe sin was sin.

    May 12, 2012 at 2:35 pm |
    • Observer

      Ben,

      "He never preached a sermon on adultery"

      Is that a massive typo or have you never read the Bible?

      May 12, 2012 at 2:40 pm |
  10. Sixztmom

    "It’s more than scripture – it’s history, culture, how we were raised,' says the Rev. Tim McDonald, founder of the African American Ministers Leadership Council." This exact same thing could have been said by a racist. I am surprised these words came out of his mouth without choking him.

    May 12, 2012 at 2:33 pm |
  11. Michael

    So the argument is that if someone uses the scripture to try and justify their evil ways then those who were victimized by it's misuse can't use it rightly. Hitler used the Bible also. Yet Jews continue to use it. Spanish Inquisitions? They used the Bible to justify that also. Don't they make people swear on the Bible before they testify in court? I guess they should stop that also. Why would you want to use the same book that Hitler used? This article is irrational.

    May 12, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
    • Jim

      Hey, if the bible says it so, it must be. The lord works in mysterious ways.... Those that can't think for themselves are simply KOOKS and no reason will work (hey, try reasoning with a Taliban suicide bomber!)

      May 12, 2012 at 2:35 pm |
    • dsavio

      No, Einstein, the ARTICLE isn't irrational, the BIBLE is irrational.

      May 12, 2012 at 2:40 pm |
    • Michael

      If the Bible is irrational then so are you because what few moral values/ rationalities you might have were learned / passed on to you from the Bible ultimately.

      May 12, 2012 at 3:02 pm |
  12. Questions

    I'm always confused and curious how, or actually why, black people after slavery ended adapted white people's Christian beliefs as their own. I don't get it :/

    May 12, 2012 at 2:31 pm |
    • Raluca

      Maybe the reason you don't get it is because you're a retard.

      May 12, 2012 at 2:34 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      yeah, it's really sad. their religions were banned and christianity shoved down their throats and when they're freed - they still choose to get on their knees and worship a white man. it's hard to escape the mental programming of the cult of christianity.

      May 12, 2012 at 2:34 pm |
  13. Dikran

    Because one is a sin and the other is not....as much as the world tries to make it seem like the same thing it's clearly not.

    May 12, 2012 at 2:31 pm |
    • josh1

      Tell me then, why no outrage about eating lobster? It clearly also a sin. Or planting two crops in the same field?

      May 12, 2012 at 2:34 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      no such thing as sin. next.

      May 12, 2012 at 2:35 pm |
    • Eric G

      Please define "sin".

      May 12, 2012 at 2:35 pm |
    • Kevin H

      Slavery, misogination and a whole host of absolutely evil things were fully supported in the Bible. Let's make no mistake – the Bible was about enfranchasing Orthodox (Old Testament) and Messianic Jews (New Testament) and about excluding all others. So slavery was fully supported in the Bible. The Bible without a doubt is a book with certain information that people want to exclude and bend. If LGBT Americans abuse the Bible for their ends – African Americans who castigate that group stretch it to the breaking point to match their motives as well.

      May 12, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
  14. robert

    Yes, it is hypocricy. But I know many African Americans who support gay marriage.
    Obama = Best President Ever
    Romney = Best Hairdresser Ever

    May 12, 2012 at 2:31 pm |
    • Karma

      Yes...how many more "Eddie Long" scandals have to happen within the black church before they realize gays in the black community are prevalent and support gay marriage.

      May 12, 2012 at 2:37 pm |
  15. Proud Black Christian Woman

    I think I speak for most Christians in America when I say that it is a sin to allow gays to marry. It says so in the bible. So what if the bible justifies slavery? That part was written by a white man. Also, I'm not 100% sure that slavery is wrong.

    May 12, 2012 at 2:30 pm |
    • robert

      cukoo

      May 12, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      who cares what the bible says? that book is disgusting. it supports slavery, says to kill g.a.y.s, non-virgin brides and disobedient children. also anyone who works on the sabbath. yup, go murder everyone at the mall this weekend working at the Gap cause the bible says to. the bible is a terrible guide for being a good person.

      May 12, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
    • Karma

      So...just that part about justifying slavery was written by a white man in the Bible??? Wow...you are delusional.

      May 12, 2012 at 2:34 pm |
    • Mike1

      Bootyfunk, The Bible does not support slavery. You have made a mental error.

      May 12, 2012 at 2:34 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      Luke 12:37-38 (New American Standard Bible)
      37 "Blessed are those slaves whom the master will find on the alert when he comes; truly I say to you, that he will gird himself to serve, and have them recline at the table, and will come up and wait on them.
      38 "Whether he comes in the second watch, or even in the third, and finds them so, blessed are those slaves.”

      you should read the bible and actually see what it says. you will be surprised by the awful things you'll find in there. funny that atheists have to tell christians what the bible says....

      May 12, 2012 at 2:38 pm |
    • Random Excess

      Perhaps the most disturbing and depressing post I have every read.

      May 12, 2012 at 2:40 pm |
    • mikeithomas

      Booty Funk- the slave is me; a professing Christian. I'm a slave of Christ; which hopefully one day you will be as well. I count it an honor and a blessing to be a slave of Christ. Know the bible before you start misquoting it or taking it out of context. In this passage the master is serving the servants. God Bless

      May 12, 2012 at 3:03 pm |
  16. Jim

    but they're different. we deserved equal rights. we're not like them. they're immoral. - fricken hypocrites.

    May 12, 2012 at 2:27 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      wrong. you're not different. both deserve equal rights. you are still trapped by a religion that supported your enslavement. leave the cult of christianity, think for yourself and realize we are all brothers and sisters.

      May 12, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
    • mr turner

      ohh god go back to 1884 ,,,were you belong,,my god havent you blacks and whites learned anything???? so remember your past or relive it,,,

      May 12, 2012 at 2:35 pm |
  17. SurRy

    "Why would the black church cite scripture to exclude gays when a similar approach to the Bible was used to enslave their ancestors?" Because everyone needs someone to hate.

    May 12, 2012 at 2:27 pm |
    • Karma

      Sad, but true...

      May 12, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
  18. Mike1

    Will the black church punish President Barack for his stance on Gay Marriage? No. Most blacks will vote for Obama because of his skin color even if he starts dropping atomic bombs on major US cities and throws cute puppies into wood chippers.

    May 12, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
    • Eric G

      Atomic bombs? Puppies in woodchippers? Not really his style. He would use a drone or Seal Team 6!

      May 12, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
    • Observer

      Bright analogy.

      May 12, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      and how many white people WON'T vote for Obama because of the color of his skin...? but i'm sure you didn't even think of that question.

      May 12, 2012 at 2:30 pm |
    • Mike1

      Eric G, I agree 100%. But IF he did, blacks would still vote for him.

      May 12, 2012 at 2:30 pm |
    • Mike1

      Bootyfunk, Yes I did think of that. How did Obama become president if no whites voted for him? Some voted for him because he was black too; thus counter any racism.

      May 12, 2012 at 2:33 pm |
    • Eric G

      Last time I checked, Obama is just as white as he is black. 50/50. Let it go. I voted for him because he was the better candidate. Well, that and Sarah Palin is dumb as a box of hammers.

      May 12, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
    • house

      Most Black people have voted democratically for the past 50 to 60 years. it's not because Obama is black or bi-racial.

      May 12, 2012 at 5:59 pm |
  19. NoMoreLies

    Imagine Americans one day wanting higher taxes! Imagine Americans one day striving for bigger government. Imagine Americans one day willing to give up their individual freedoms and rights.
    You can't imagine it because this kind of thinking is truthfully unAmerican. We were founded and prospered with lower taxes, less government and more individual freedoms. Now look at us.

    Imagine one day REAL Americans decide enough is enough.
    Imagine November 6, 2012

    May 12, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
    • Venom

      Real Americans support equal rights for fellow Americans.

      May 12, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
    • Observer

      We just had a Republican president and he started an optional TRILLION DOLLAR war for false reasons and dumped the costs onto President Obama. Enough was enough.

      May 12, 2012 at 2:31 pm |
    • Eric G

      Founded with more individual freedoms? I believe when we were founded, women could not vote and blacks were property. Right, just imagine what our country would be like if we adopted the ways of our founding fathers.

      Please educate yourself. Community colleges are everywhere.

      May 12, 2012 at 2:33 pm |
    • Weasley

      Real Americans realize that 1776 America is just a bit different than 2012 America.

      To those who site history to support their distorted view about taxes and the size of government, you should not fly nor drive on paved streets–in fact, you should ride a horse, you should not use electricity, you should dig a hole in your yard as a restroom, and never ever call 911.

      Did I leave anything out–yes, about a billion other benefits provided by your government and tax dollars.

      May 12, 2012 at 2:50 pm |
  20. Bootyfunk

    you would think God would have gotten this one right. you would think that the bible would hands down rebuke slavery. you would think God would have made one of the commandments, "thou shalt not own another human being for any reason". but instead the bible supports slavery. jesus himself supports slavery:

    Luke 12:37-38
    37 "Blessed are those slaves whom the master will find on the alert when he comes; truly I say to you, that he will gird himself to serve, and have them recline at the table, and will come up and wait on them.
    38 "Whether he comes in the second watch, or even in the third, and finds them so, blessed are those slaves.”

    May 12, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
    • Jim

      if the bible says it's so, then it's so. Oh, except that passage and any other passages I don't like.

      May 12, 2012 at 2:30 pm |
    • still my guitar gently weeps

      the word "employer" was first used in the 1500s and "employee" in the 1800s. connect the dots

      May 12, 2012 at 2:43 pm |
    • D

      Want to talk overally about employment, housing, and also means of production? Or just bashing for the sake of it? And that while perpetuating an economy where "employers" "employ" very short-termly anyone while leaving the state (and church) to take care of all and any fall-out?

      But sure, "slavery" for adultery, "slavery" out of idolatry, "slavery" with stealing/kidnapping, "slavery" while the 'master' is not working at all – none of these were really part of the plan.

      May 12, 2012 at 2:53 pm |
    • God's Old Dreamer

      It's easier to sling mud and spit upon others than it is to stand and take it! I am a sinner in many ways more than just one! I am paying my dues today and even tommorrow for that which I once did, in many years' past! To many I am a filthy dirtbag and as well; they can call me such! It will never change my sinfulness past by other's condemnations against me in the now times! I live daily in repentences' sakes and will so till the day I do die! I am but a sinner who needs not the worded condemnations of other people to remind me but rather God's Son's willingness to forgive me my pasts' sinning ways! To condemn others while overlooking one's own filthiness past ways are not worthy of God's saving graces of forgiveness sakes! Still His Son shall and will forgive all who but asks that their motive condemnations of others be forgiven them and dare do not condemn any more those whose sins are made known and are in repentence!

      Slavery is the conditioning of people's mindset with otherly words less affirming to being called slaves for slaves we are all to the ways of the world! I am a slave to my conditioning way of being born into and living of and toward life's ending finality! Slaves to death's naturisms are we all who do live and yet the abundancies of living one's Life are but natures' passing moments! Without are many and yet due are most peoples' minds of faith and faithlessness being ever weighed upon in their own views and thoughts and perceptions! I cannot create God for I have not the will nor the means to so be God's creator! Such mysteries of God will never be fully revealed to our commonwealths' totem poles of logistics conformations!

      May 12, 2012 at 3:04 pm |
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