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Is the black church guilty of spiritual hypocrisy in same-sex marriage debate?
Delman Coates at Mt. Ennon Baptist Church is among a minority of black ministers in Maryland who have endorsed gay rights.
May 12th, 2012
08:00 AM ET

Is the black church guilty of spiritual hypocrisy in same-sex marriage debate?

By John Blake, CNN

(CNN) - Some people wonder if the black church will punish President Barack Obama for announcing support for same-sex marriage.

Here’s another question:

Why would the black church cite scripture to exclude gays when a similar approach to the Bible was used to enslave their ancestors?

“It’s so unfortunate,” says James Cone, one the nation’s most influential black theologians and author of “The Cross and the Lynching Tree.”

“The literal approach to scripture was used to enslave black people,” he says. “I’ve said many times in black churches that the black church is on the wrong side of history on this. It’s so sad because they were on the right side of history in their own struggle.”

Call it historical irony: Black church leaders arguing against same-sex marriage are making some of the same arguments that supporters of slavery made in the 18th and 19th centuries, some historians say. Both groups adopted a literal reading of the Bible to justify withholding basic rights from a particular group.

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Opposition to gay rights is not the standard position of all black churches. Still, while several predominately white mainline denominations have officially accepted gays and lesbians in various forms, the vast majority of black churches still consider homosexuality a sin.

Black church leaders recently helped lead a successful drive to amend North Carolina’s constitution to ban same-sex marriage. The Rev. Fred Robinson, a black pastor in Charlotte, says most black churchgoers aren’t hypocrites. They take scripture, and sin, seriously.

“Black people are not confused,” Robinson says. “If you look at the scriptures that oppose homosexuality, Old and New Testament, they are clearer cut than the ones people used to justify slavery.”

Yet there are other factors beyond the Bible that shape the black church’s resistance to same-sex marriage.

“It’s more than scripture – it’s history, culture, how we were raised,” says the Rev. Tim McDonald, founder of the African American Ministers Leadership Council.

Some black church leaders are still fighting hard just to persuade straight black couples to marry. Accepting same-sex marriage when so many black households lack a husband and wife makes McDonald uneasy.

“I am not comfortable performing a wedding ceremony of the same sex,” says McDonald, an Obama supporter. “That’s just where I am.”

Some black pastors, however, embrace a literal approach to the Bible not just to exclude gays but to get rid of competition, says Edward Blum, a San Diego State University historian.

Some black pastors cite New Testament passages such as Paul’s demand that women keep silent in churches to argue against black women in the pulpit.

That argument is harder to make when black women’s energy and donations form the backbone of the black church, Blum says, but some still get away with it.

“The biblical literalist reading has kept male leadership in power in a church that is hugely female,” Blum says. “It keeps power in men’s hands.”

The one book that mattered

Black churches also embrace a literal reading of the scripture because of its unique history, says Blum, author of “W.E.B. DuBois, American Prophet.”

During slavery and segregation, many blacks saw the Bible as the one document they could trust. The Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, state and local laws – all found some way to ignore their humanity, Blum says.

The Bible, though, was one book that told them that they weren’t slaves or three-fifths of a person, Blum says.

It said they were children of God.

“Throughout the 18th and 19th century, what document could they trust?” Blum says. “When the Bible says it’s so, it’s something that black people believed they could trust.”

Their enemies, though, used that same veneration of the Bible against them. Slaveholders had a simple but powerful argument when critics challenged them: Trust the Bible.

They cited scriptures such as Ephesians 6:5. (“Slaves, be obedient to those who are your earthly masters, with fear and trembling. ...”) And they said Jesus preached against many sins, but never against slavery.

Since the Bible is infallible, and scripture sanctions slavery, it must be part of God’s order, slaveholders concluded.

“Slavery is everywhere in the Bible,” Blum says. “When Americans who were in favor of slavery defended it with the Bible, they had a treasure trove of clear biblical passages that accepted enslavement.”

Blum says abolitionists found it difficult to mount an effective counterargument. They couldn’t just say trust the Bible. They preached another approach to scriptures.

They said you couldn’t enslave people based on the Golden Rule: Do unto others as you would have them do to you. (Obama cited the Golden Rule and his Christian faith in supporting same-sex marriage).

“The abolitionist turned to the ethics and spirit of the Bible,” Blum says. “They were theological modernists before modernism.”

And what are black clergy and churchgoers today when they cite the Bible to oppose same-sex marriage?

Robinson, the North Carolina pastor, says they’re not homophobes.

“It says in the Bible that homosexuals will not inherit the Kingdom of God,” he says. “How do you explain that one away? A lot of honest Christians are not trying to hate homosexuals. They’re saying that if I take the Bible seriously, I’m not sure I can say it’s right.”

Robinson says that some opposition to homosexuality is actually based in compassion:

“If I’m concerned about your soul, I have to tell you the truth in love.”

Cone, who teaches at Union Theological Seminary in New York City, says black churchgoers opposed to same-sex marriage are instead mimicking their ancestors’ oppressors.

“I tell some people, ‘These people were against you.’ They would have lynched you. How are you going to now join them and help them lynch somebody else?’”

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Barack Obama • Christianity • Culture wars • Gay marriage • Gay rights • Homosexuality • Politics

soundoff (4,348 Responses)
  1. samuelprime

    The comparison is flawed. Blacks were an oppressed minority subjected to the oppression of slavery, but gays are not, nor are gays yoked with slavery today or criminalization today. If there is some discrimination against gays (and there is), it is to the same extent that most other groups suffer the same. Even whites today suffer discrimination in some quarters. But these aren't comparable to slavery. So the comparison is flawed.

    May 12, 2012 at 4:04 pm |
    • tallulah13

      No, gays weren't enslaved. They were merely imprisoned, tortured or killed by christian cultures throughout history. But I guess you'd rather not remember that part.

      May 12, 2012 at 4:07 pm |
    • Drew

      Gays are frequently beaten to death just for being gay. Anti-sodomy laws are still on the books in some states. What's that about gays not being persecuted? I think any gay person would disagree with you

      May 12, 2012 at 4:08 pm |
    • samuelprime

      Your missing the point, I'll repeat it for you: but gays ARE not, nor are gays yoked with slavery today or criminalization today. Today! Today! (In the past, not only gays but nearly every other social group suffered.)

      May 12, 2012 at 4:19 pm |
    • Drew

      Gays still suffer more persecution than probably any other minority in the US

      May 12, 2012 at 4:27 pm |
  2. Mary Davis

    GOD says that gay lifestyles are (1), UNCLEAN ACTS. (2), UN-NATURAL ACTS and (3), These acts are clearly..............
    an ABOMINATION to him!!! THE BIBLE DOES NOT LIE!!!!!!
    Just so you know where I stand, I LIVE MY LIFE FOR GOD........................NOT, mortal man.

    May 12, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
    • Drew

      citation needed

      May 12, 2012 at 4:04 pm |
    • Bonnie

      Citation provided. 1st Corinthians 6:9, "Do not be misled. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men kept for unnatural purposes, nor men who lie with men, nor thieves, nor greedy persons, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God."

      May 12, 2012 at 4:06 pm |
    • mandarax

      Thanks for letting me know where you stand, Mary Davis. I'll remember not to trust you with anything that requires rational though or objective consideration.

      May 12, 2012 at 4:06 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Prove your god exists. So far there's not a shred of evidence to support the existence of any of the thousands of gods humans have worshiped. Unless you provide proof, you are merely using ancient middle eastern mythology as an excuse to discriminate against a group of people who are legally protected by the Consti.tution of this great and secular nation.

      May 12, 2012 at 4:10 pm |
    • Frank Doe

      Did "God" come and say this to you in person? or did you just read that somewhere? OH let me guess you read that in this thing called the "Bible" which wasn't written by God himself but by MAN! We all know that man never makes a single mistake at all! HA You're so right! So glad we had you to clear things up! GEE WIZZ!

      May 12, 2012 at 4:17 pm |
  3. jo

    Media hates Christians, as Socialists usually do. Just like I remember Russia in the 50s, and they think it's new!

    May 12, 2012 at 4:02 pm |
    • Drew

      It's not just the media calling out Christians on this, other Christians are as well. Also, as one of the most privileged groups in America, you people should really drop your persecution complex.

      May 12, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
    • mandarax

      Did you intend to make a little poem?

      May 12, 2012 at 4:04 pm |
    • tallulah13

      But Drew, jo NEEDS to feel persecuted. That way she has an excuse to hate people who don't think like she does.

      May 12, 2012 at 4:11 pm |
    • mandarax

      You should submit your little rhyme to Fox News – they'll consider it great literature.

      May 12, 2012 at 4:15 pm |
  4. n8vtruth

    You cannot take away the rights of a person because of a ridiculous religious opinion. The opinion needs to stay in the church and stay out of politics. If you want to ban someone from your church for being gay you can do so, but don't deny them equal civil rights that has nothing to do with the church. Atheists and Christians alike are all hypocritical liars.

    May 12, 2012 at 4:01 pm |
    • GauisCaesar

      So you think it has only been religion that has stopped gay people from getting married for at least 6,000 years? OKAY>?

      May 12, 2012 at 4:06 pm |
  5. Marine57

    "Ephesians 6:5. (“Slaves, be obedient to those who are your earthly masters, with fear and trembling. ...”) "
    ERROR IN THAT QUOTATION:
    {Ephesians 6:5 KJB} "Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling..."

    May 12, 2012 at 4:00 pm |
  6. krussell

    One of the things that always botherd me about the church i grew up in was that the jusus they had in the cross was white with blue eyes, Jewish is a race as well as a religion, and JC was both. So what i'm wondering is; Do Black churches usually hang a black Jesus on thier crosses?

    May 12, 2012 at 3:59 pm |
    • Fufu

      I've had black friends that had a black Jesus and Santa at Christmas. Didn't bother me one bit.

      May 12, 2012 at 4:01 pm |
    • GauisCaesar

      Yes, is is a way to directly relate to him, to consider him your own race. Same reason most blacks feel more secure around blacks, whites the same, hispanics the same, and so on. People like to feel like someone can relate to them.

      May 12, 2012 at 4:01 pm |
    • enricorosan

      In the middle east Jesus is depicted as a dark brown skinned person (which is probably closer to reality). If Jesus were still living in America with his swarthy skin he would be considered a Black person. In Greek churches in Alexandria , Egypt (i lived in Egypt for five years) where was once a considerable greek community; the depiction of Jesus, has usually a hook nose and looks very Greek. So, it all depends on the ethnicity of the Christians. Jesus, was definitely not a white man or a blond blued person.

      May 12, 2012 at 4:13 pm |
  7. Tim

    Churches are all about hypocrisy. The color is not that relevant here.

    May 12, 2012 at 3:58 pm |
  8. n8362

    @Counter, billions more believe in religions other than Christianity. How is it delusional to not believe in any organized religion?

    You can be involved in the political process, however it is immoral to use it to impose your religion on others.

    May 12, 2012 at 3:52 pm |
  9. The Church is ONE foundation, tis Jesus Christ her Lord!

    There is no black, blue, brown, yellow or white.

    May 12, 2012 at 3:51 pm |
    • pastmorm

      And again, the crazies are crawling out of their closets all over this article! Just a side note....yes, there are such things as colors...on the human body and in the human world.

      May 12, 2012 at 3:54 pm |
    • Dakota2000

      I agree- if black churches "integrated" maybe they would be exposed to more modern world views.

      They seem stuck in 1960.

      May 12, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
  10. My Children

    Now that Barack Obama supports Gay marriage, we are noticing a lot of people are against gay marriage. But those people who are opposing gay marriage were brain wash by their religion. I am religious, but I don't let my religious beliefs or knowledge of marriage be run by my religion. I was born with both parents a mom and a dad. I was raised to believe that marriage is between a man and women, but you know why that is the reason is because of religion. Religion has taken over us. That's the religion believe and that's what you should follow because since you were a kid you were brain wash that marriage should be between a man and I women. But in reality humans don't know. GOD's intention was when he sent his only son to die. Jesus died for our sins and forgave everyone for their intentions because they didn't know better. He said "Father please forgive them for they know not what they do." Yes I'm quoting . People have being brainwash by their religion, GOD never intended for humans to run an organization that would preach to him, but in a hypocritical way. I'm talking about religion. GOD's intention was for everyone to be in peace, but in reality he knew there will never be peace between humans. As soon as Adam and Eve ate from the forbidden fruit. He knew that humans were the only ones who would survive between themselves. GOD knew that 1 in every 5 humans a least one will be smart about their choices and judgements and criticisms against another Human and their believes. GOD knew that they where going to kill his only son if he was sent to earth, Jesus Christ knew what was going to happen to him. Jesus never judged or criticize us for what we did to him. I mean us because we are the humans who kill GOD's only child. Jesus never judge us for his death, he even told his father to please for give us because we don't know what we did. Now in 2012 we are seeing people from different believes trying to be against marriage when it comes between a man and a man, women or women. People have to start seeing the big picture because we are one, we got to put our differences and be in peace. People might disagree with me and I know theirs still people out there that don't know what they are doing. So please look at the past, we have seeing a lot of damage because of our differences from religion to ethnicity. Please Father Forgive them for they don't know what they are doing. If I must die again for my children then it should be. Please my children learn from the past and please don't believe what politicians or others humans say about you. I die for you once and I will die again for my children. All I want in return is to forgive those who judge you as you wish they forgive you for your wrongs.

    May 12, 2012 at 3:50 pm |
  11. David

    What's worse is that black christian's follow a religion that was forced upon their ancestors by their slave masters.

    May 12, 2012 at 3:46 pm |
    • pastmorm

      David, you have the best point I've read on this chat board yet! Why do they Kow-tow to a religion that was forced upon them as slaves???? Hmmmmm...

      May 12, 2012 at 3:50 pm |
    • Godoflunaticscreation

      Exactly. David. I was thinking the same.

      May 12, 2012 at 3:55 pm |
    • Drew

      I think they would argue that slavery was an instrument of god

      May 12, 2012 at 3:55 pm |
  12. Rainer Braendlein

    The power of the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ can cure gays and other sinners (people, which condemn gays, should ask themselves, if they don't commit any other sin like greed for honor, power and riches, avarice, hatred, fornication, anger, revenge, witchcraft, etc.).

    In order to get the topic of gay marriage and gayness right, we have to understand the relation between God and natural human beings in general.

    Our basic problem is that we don't trust God. We are not utterly convinced that he loves us.

    Actually, if we would watch the stars, the sun and the moon, heaven and earth, sweet animals, plants and our fellow human beings, we should conclude that God is a loving God, which seeks our happiness. Although the Creation is not still in its perfect genuine state, it still shows us God's eternal power and godhead. Actually, we should regard the Creation as a kind of gospel (good news). God created a world for us, in which we should be happy in his presence. He made a wife for us and sweet animals, so that we might not feel lonely.

    We want to have got all goods, but don't seek the giver of the good gifts. The ancient Romans and Greeks worshipped their idols like Zeus, Hermes, etc. and we worship the Mammon, which is the God of materialism and capitalism. Then we wonder, why we have a lack of certain things, which we need to be happy. The Mammon is an evil demon, which doesn't seek our happy life, but our destruction and death.

    In a word, in order to become happy, we need to return to the Source of Life, which is God. We can be happy, only if we are connected with the Source of happiness and life, which is God himself.

    How can we know that God is a loving God, who seeks our happiness?

    God proved his love by a second revelation beside the Creation. God delivered his beloved Son for our sins and raised him from the dead for our justification. Ain't we sinners? We adore Mammon day by day, instead of the Lord, the Eternal God, which has made heaven and earth. Yet, this heavy sin can get forgiven and we can released from this sin by the gospel of Jesus Christ. The gospel of Jesus Christ convinces us of God's infinite love and we adore him instead of Mammor or any other idol (Mahomet, pope, cheap-grace-Jesus and the like).

    After we have returned into a confident relationship with the Eternal God by the gospel of Jesus Christ, we become able to trust him that he even may give us everything, which we need, even a wife.

    And this is, what the gays need. They need a restoration of their confidence in God. This could help them to control the lust of their body and wait up to the day, when they meet their wife, which God has predetermined for them.

    As the faith, which we can produce by reason, is very small, God gave us the sacramental baptism. At baptism we receive a person of the Godhead, the Holy Spirit, which gives us a strong faith in Christ and the Father. The Spirit is stronger than our sinful body and if we invite him day by day, he uses our body, which is dead in itself, as a tool of righteousness. By the impact of the Spirit sinners by nature become holy people, because the holy divine nature is stronger than our sinful human nature. Its only important that we daily remember our health in Christ.

    Conclusion:

    Gays should neither marry each other, nor go to church, but repent and believe in Christ, who has borne their sins, when he died for them on the cross. After they have started to believe, God will give them a wife and implant them into his holy Church.

    May 12, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
    • Observer

      Rainer,

      Rather than spamming this nonsense, please tell us about talking serpents and unicorns.

      May 12, 2012 at 3:48 pm |
      • Rainer Braendlein

        The Genesis is a story from long ago, but Jesus Christ lived in a time, which is not so far off. There is no reason to doubt the historicity of Christ. He never doubted the Old Testament, but called it mandatory Holy Scripture. As Christ confirmed the Genesis, I bielieve it, even if it overcharges modern reason.

        May 12, 2012 at 3:55 pm |
    • pastmorm

      Real conclusion rainer....Most psychologists would believe that you suffer from a form of psychosis because you believe in something that is invisible and has never made contact with you or anyone else in recorded history. They would also find you to be a megalomaniac, because you go so far to condemn people that you know nothing about, yet you believe you are superior to (them) because a BOOK tells you that you are. And lastly, most Psychologists would find you to lack empathy, compassion, kindness and charitable acts...all things that christians supposedly believe in...yet you take the place of your god to judge and condemn. Good luck with that.

      May 12, 2012 at 3:49 pm |
    • Drew

      So Ranier, you believe that dinosaurs and humans coexisted

      May 12, 2012 at 3:57 pm |
    • Rainer Braendlein

      @pastmorm

      I believe you have no reason, because it is invisible. Ain't that ridiculous.

      May 12, 2012 at 4:00 pm |
  13. Adam C

    In order for our country to advance, we need to get these churches out of politics. If that is not possible, however, then we need to remove their tax-exempt status. So many religious people were putting up a huff when they thought that public money was going to go to support birth control.

    Well guess what religious people? Every time one of your churches preaches hate in the pulpit, public money is going to support that. The Catholic church had to pay millions of dollars to legally defend their pedophile priests. Supported by public money.

    What's worse? Some public money goes into supporting condoms and birth control pills, or public money supports an old man diddling little kids?

    May 12, 2012 at 3:44 pm |
    • Fufu

      I don't think the Church preached that child molesting was okay.

      May 12, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
    • unafiliated

      Adam, Churches aren't in politics. They have the same free speech that you do... but they have no vote. I think what you mean is that you want religious people not to vote.

      May 12, 2012 at 3:46 pm |
    • GauisCaesar

      I doubt you understand what you are talking about. 501c3 orgs are there for a reason. And no public money goes to churches.

      May 12, 2012 at 3:49 pm |
    • Observer

      Fufu,

      The Bible never bothered to mention not molesting kids, but apparently not eating lobsters is more important.

      May 12, 2012 at 3:51 pm |
    • pastmorm

      Then you should stop doing it fufu....

      May 12, 2012 at 3:51 pm |
    • Fufu

      pastmorm, I'm not Catholic, and why would you assume I molest children? I thought you were trying to make intelligent statements on this message board, but apparently hateful insinuations are your modus operandi.

      May 12, 2012 at 3:59 pm |
  14. Observer

    This is all just pick-and-choose HYPOCRISY by Christians trying to use the Bible as an excuse.

    If Christians ACTUALLY cared about sin and sinners they would be picking on the FAR FAR GREATER number of Christians who commit ADULTERY by divorcing and remarrying according to the Bible.

    May 12, 2012 at 3:43 pm |
    • Truth7

      Does this NOT give you a big clue that something is wrong?

      False prophets fill the churches and tell people "it's OK", when Jesus and God both told you it wasn't.

      May 12, 2012 at 3:54 pm |
    • Observer

      Truth7,

      The Christians who use the Bible to pick on gays while ignoring the much greater problem of Christian ADULTERY are just hypocrites. It's very simple. Tell them.

      Why are you here and not addressing the MUCH BIGGER problem?

      May 12, 2012 at 4:01 pm |
  15. Eric G

    Why must we constantly deal with all of these claims from believers about what their god does or does not want. They scream from wherever they are that they know the mind of their god and because of that, they are correct. They constantly wish to insert their authority over everyone else without providing any evidence that they are correct.

    All a waste of time..... They could settle all of this with one single action.

    Please, provide any verifiable evidence that your god exists. Just do that and everything else will fall into place. If you cannot do that, be honest and admit that it is you that hates gays, not your god.

    May 12, 2012 at 3:43 pm |
    • Truth7

      You won't do what is needed to know the Truth! ASK GOD DIRECTLY WITH AN HONEST HEART IF HE IS REAL.

      People could give you every experience they've ever had, but that will not convince you. Why won't you ask Him? Because you have chosen your side.

      May 12, 2012 at 3:47 pm |
    • Eric G

      @truth: Sorry, your position is illogical.

      Let me ask a question.

      Hypothetically, let's say that you are in a room with a big box on the floor. In the box is verifiable, indisputable evidence that will either prove or disprove the existence of your god. Do you look into the box?

      May 12, 2012 at 3:51 pm |
    • Truth7

      See, you are so caught up inside your own mind, that you are locked and can't even think from a spiritual perspective. You believe what man tells you, I go to the source and have Him tell me. God has already shown me what's inside that box, and guess what? He is 100% undeniably real. If you want to know, get away from your man made box and simply look up and ask God with an honest heart.

      May 12, 2012 at 4:06 pm |
    • Eric G

      @truth: Sorry, that is called "argument from authority". Your refusal to answer the question is dishonest.

      Please provide any example of any other aspect of your life that you take on "faith", and without any supporting evidence.

      May 12, 2012 at 4:14 pm |
  16. pastmorm

    I know many African-Americans that are bigoted against gay people. I think that is hypocritical considering the fact that Black people know what it's like to suffer under inequality. Too bad that it's a one way street huh?

    May 12, 2012 at 3:42 pm |
    • edwardo

      How quickly the oppressed become the oppressors...!

      May 12, 2012 at 4:00 pm |
    • Dodd,T

      Edwardo...oppress the oppressor, really? Get a clue!

      May 14, 2012 at 4:57 pm |
  17. Henry

    The sodomites of CNN are Agent of Disinformation paid by the International Private Banking Cartel in charge of the Federal Reserve System, Wall Street, the US Congress, the US Armed Forces, the Republican and Democratic Parties, Organized Religion, and the Mainstream News Media, and this so called Belief Blog is only a diversionary tactic to draw attention away from the Banksters evil agenda.

    May 12, 2012 at 3:41 pm |
    • pastmorm

      Ah good, Henry is here to give us an example of paranoia schizophrenia.

      May 12, 2012 at 3:43 pm |
    • Eric G

      Henry has officially gone over the falls.

      May 12, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
    • Observer

      Henry,

      Millions of HETEROS practice sodomy.

      What is your point, if any?

      May 12, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
    • Henry

      Observer

      They are hell bound with all those playing possum!

      May 12, 2012 at 3:53 pm |
    • Observer

      Henry,

      I've always been curious; how could God watch as he torturously drowned virtually every human being on the planet, but yet get squeamish thinking about what 2 consenting adults can do in a bedroom?

      May 12, 2012 at 4:04 pm |
  18. Spangler

    The simple reason that major religions have a stone-age view of women, gays, the cosmos and majic is that the texts were written in the stone-ages.

    May 12, 2012 at 3:39 pm |
    • mikel@shaw.ca

      Ya, another atheist drone who repeats the same old drivel word for word and acts like its their idea.

      May 12, 2012 at 3:44 pm |
    • Eric G

      @mikel: Uh, I think it's the believers who regurgitate the "same old drivel", not the atheists. Please prove that your god exists.

      May 12, 2012 at 3:47 pm |
  19. n8362

    It is immoral to impose your religious superstition on others.

    You do not believe in religion because you honestly think it is true, you believe in it because you fear mortality or are seeking meaning in your life. It does not take a genius to figure out all religion is man made, so for humanity's sake, please stop lying to yourself.

    Deluding yourself in religion does not change reality. Lying to yourself is probably the worst possible way to try to find meaning.

    May 12, 2012 at 3:39 pm |
    • Fufu

      Many, many geniuses have believed in a GOD. Are you a genius?

      May 12, 2012 at 3:41 pm |
    • counter

      That is rich . Millions believe in the Lord and in God the Father ... if you refuse or don't want to believe that is your business. But the second you get in my face about "delusion" and telling me that believers cannot have their say in the political process, I will get in your grill too.

      Delusion? Look in the mirror, bub.

      May 12, 2012 at 3:44 pm |
    • Miriam

      How do you know why a person believes or what motivates their quest for meaning? Unless you claim to be omniscient. Seems arrogant and pre-judicial, to me.

      May 12, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
    • Bob M

      So if 'religion' is a fantasy of man, why should gays wish to have a marriage instead of a civil union? Isn't there a little bit of hypocrisy here involving gay marriage/religion?

      May 12, 2012 at 3:48 pm |
    • n8362

      Fufu, that is the point. Anyone with even average intelligence can figure this out. If you look at organized religion objectively it is obvious. People believe in religion because they are engaging in self delusion.

      May 12, 2012 at 3:48 pm |
    • pastmorm

      fufu, what is the different to you between many, many and one or two geniuses?

      May 12, 2012 at 3:52 pm |
    • n8362

      @Counter, billions more believe in religions other than Christianity. How is it delusional to not believe in any organized religion?

      You can be involved in the political process, however it is immoral to use it to impose your religion on others.

      May 12, 2012 at 3:53 pm |
    • n8362

      @Counter, billions more believe in religions other than Christianity. How is it delusional to not believe in any organized religion?

      You can be involved in the political process, however it is immoral to use it to impose your religion on others.

      May 12, 2012 at 3:53 pm |
    • n8362

      @Miriam, this is my perspective based on interactions with many religious people and from reading many comments from religious people on blogs like this.

      May 12, 2012 at 3:55 pm |
    • n8362

      @Bob, marriage is now a secular institution and there are many legal reasons people want to get married.

      May 12, 2012 at 3:58 pm |
  20. Fufu

    95% of blacks voted for Obama last time. I don't think the percentage will go down much, but the turnout will.

    May 12, 2012 at 3:38 pm |
    • pastmorm

      Fufu...where do you get your numbers from? Please provide actual statistics when you spew things that you THINK are facts, when in truth, they aren't.

      May 12, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
    • GauisCaesar

      95% of blacks is also confirmed by CNN and the Democratic party.

      May 12, 2012 at 3:51 pm |
    • Dean

      to pastmorm – from the Boston Globe--- Nationally, 95 percent of black voters chose Obama, and 2 million more black people voted than in 2004. No one doubts Obama will carry the black vote this year, but whether he can again turn out such large numbers could prove crucial to his chances.

      May 12, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
    • Fufu

      Thanks for the validation Gauis and Dean. Apparently, however pastmorm just wants to accuse, vilify and hate those with a different opinion than him/her.

      May 12, 2012 at 4:05 pm |
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