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Is the black church guilty of spiritual hypocrisy in same-sex marriage debate?
Delman Coates at Mt. Ennon Baptist Church is among a minority of black ministers in Maryland who have endorsed gay rights.
May 12th, 2012
08:00 AM ET

Is the black church guilty of spiritual hypocrisy in same-sex marriage debate?

By John Blake, CNN

(CNN) - Some people wonder if the black church will punish President Barack Obama for announcing support for same-sex marriage.

Here’s another question:

Why would the black church cite scripture to exclude gays when a similar approach to the Bible was used to enslave their ancestors?

“It’s so unfortunate,” says James Cone, one the nation’s most influential black theologians and author of “The Cross and the Lynching Tree.”

“The literal approach to scripture was used to enslave black people,” he says. “I’ve said many times in black churches that the black church is on the wrong side of history on this. It’s so sad because they were on the right side of history in their own struggle.”

Call it historical irony: Black church leaders arguing against same-sex marriage are making some of the same arguments that supporters of slavery made in the 18th and 19th centuries, some historians say. Both groups adopted a literal reading of the Bible to justify withholding basic rights from a particular group.

CNN’s Belief Blog: The faith angles behind the biggest stories

Opposition to gay rights is not the standard position of all black churches. Still, while several predominately white mainline denominations have officially accepted gays and lesbians in various forms, the vast majority of black churches still consider homosexuality a sin.

Black church leaders recently helped lead a successful drive to amend North Carolina’s constitution to ban same-sex marriage. The Rev. Fred Robinson, a black pastor in Charlotte, says most black churchgoers aren’t hypocrites. They take scripture, and sin, seriously.

“Black people are not confused,” Robinson says. “If you look at the scriptures that oppose homosexuality, Old and New Testament, they are clearer cut than the ones people used to justify slavery.”

Yet there are other factors beyond the Bible that shape the black church’s resistance to same-sex marriage.

“It’s more than scripture – it’s history, culture, how we were raised,” says the Rev. Tim McDonald, founder of the African American Ministers Leadership Council.

Some black church leaders are still fighting hard just to persuade straight black couples to marry. Accepting same-sex marriage when so many black households lack a husband and wife makes McDonald uneasy.

“I am not comfortable performing a wedding ceremony of the same sex,” says McDonald, an Obama supporter. “That’s just where I am.”

Some black pastors, however, embrace a literal approach to the Bible not just to exclude gays but to get rid of competition, says Edward Blum, a San Diego State University historian.

Some black pastors cite New Testament passages such as Paul’s demand that women keep silent in churches to argue against black women in the pulpit.

That argument is harder to make when black women’s energy and donations form the backbone of the black church, Blum says, but some still get away with it.

“The biblical literalist reading has kept male leadership in power in a church that is hugely female,” Blum says. “It keeps power in men’s hands.”

The one book that mattered

Black churches also embrace a literal reading of the scripture because of its unique history, says Blum, author of “W.E.B. DuBois, American Prophet.”

During slavery and segregation, many blacks saw the Bible as the one document they could trust. The Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, state and local laws – all found some way to ignore their humanity, Blum says.

The Bible, though, was one book that told them that they weren’t slaves or three-fifths of a person, Blum says.

It said they were children of God.

“Throughout the 18th and 19th century, what document could they trust?” Blum says. “When the Bible says it’s so, it’s something that black people believed they could trust.”

Their enemies, though, used that same veneration of the Bible against them. Slaveholders had a simple but powerful argument when critics challenged them: Trust the Bible.

They cited scriptures such as Ephesians 6:5. (“Slaves, be obedient to those who are your earthly masters, with fear and trembling. ...”) And they said Jesus preached against many sins, but never against slavery.

Since the Bible is infallible, and scripture sanctions slavery, it must be part of God’s order, slaveholders concluded.

“Slavery is everywhere in the Bible,” Blum says. “When Americans who were in favor of slavery defended it with the Bible, they had a treasure trove of clear biblical passages that accepted enslavement.”

Blum says abolitionists found it difficult to mount an effective counterargument. They couldn’t just say trust the Bible. They preached another approach to scriptures.

They said you couldn’t enslave people based on the Golden Rule: Do unto others as you would have them do to you. (Obama cited the Golden Rule and his Christian faith in supporting same-sex marriage).

“The abolitionist turned to the ethics and spirit of the Bible,” Blum says. “They were theological modernists before modernism.”

And what are black clergy and churchgoers today when they cite the Bible to oppose same-sex marriage?

Robinson, the North Carolina pastor, says they’re not homophobes.

“It says in the Bible that homosexuals will not inherit the Kingdom of God,” he says. “How do you explain that one away? A lot of honest Christians are not trying to hate homosexuals. They’re saying that if I take the Bible seriously, I’m not sure I can say it’s right.”

Robinson says that some opposition to homosexuality is actually based in compassion:

“If I’m concerned about your soul, I have to tell you the truth in love.”

Cone, who teaches at Union Theological Seminary in New York City, says black churchgoers opposed to same-sex marriage are instead mimicking their ancestors’ oppressors.

“I tell some people, ‘These people were against you.’ They would have lynched you. How are you going to now join them and help them lynch somebody else?’”

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Barack Obama • Christianity • Culture wars • Gay marriage • Gay rights • Homosexuality • Politics

soundoff (4,348 Responses)
  1. imeubu

    It is not black versus gay. It's not physical at all. It's clearly a "spiritual" issue. If we insist on dealing with it on physical plane... try this.

    Imagine a “rubber finger”... the little rubber thingy you slip on your finger for additional friction when you have a lot of papers to sort through. You can turn it inside out fairly easy creating two different “expressions” of the same object or state. One where one side of the object is facing the reality of “outside”... and then when you reverse it... that side would magically be experiencing the reality that is “inside”. Two states of being... one manipulation... of one object... physicists of one ilk are choosing to call a “membrane”.

    Now envisage your “universe” as being either one the outside of the rubber finger... or within the smaller space inside... the space where you would normally put your finger to sort your papers. We can now refer to two very distinct spaces or “realities” depending on which side of this membrane we were “being”.... no fair imagining you can travel between the two.

    Perception can therefore be spatially defined as the reality you and your universe are currently experiencing. However with even this simple example... we can easily envisage the apparent existence of at least 3 other universes than the one we are in (four if you become the distant observer you are now as you manipulate the rubber finger to shape these other four spaces... two big and two small).... all “created” by you (you god you) by simply reversing (exploiting the physicality and visual polarity of) one flexible membrane.

    I'll leave it there... but we can create 11 such “realities” or dimensions by manipulating the four we currently seem to be experiencing... and somewhat fathom (height, width, depth and time).

    It is becoming increasingly difficult for an educated person to rationally question the logic and even probability of alternative “realities”. Using today's super computers to calculate the number of permutations possible when we combine the known dimensions with these additional 7 dimensions... the numbers get truly unimaginable. Something called the law of large numbers takes effect... that's sort of like having God tell you but but with additional comfort of absolute probability. Much too “real” for an educated person to seriously doubt. Reason to admit that others may in fact have had their perspective altered by something “real” and that they might in fact have actually “seen” or “experienced” something with which the rest of us (the sane ones) cannot resonate.

    The mathematical probability of extra dimensional incursion far exceeds the possibility that it cannot happen... and by some really large number requiring the use of exponents which this text editor does not provide... 10 to the minus 243 so far and the computers will not finish the calculation for another 44 years.

    May 12, 2012 at 6:47 pm |
  2. shawbrooke

    Whatever happened to listening to people and treating them with respect? I guess that when it comes down to gays or blacks, gays win. Why exactly must there be such a contest in the first place? The gay rights movement lost this one the moment they opened their mouth, on paper. But since they are the current media darlings, what ever they say goes and it's a shame that some people must get attention when they redefine the world into winners and losers.

    May 12, 2012 at 6:47 pm |
  3. Donovan

    Am I the only one that thinks its hilarious that there is a "black church." they can't let go of their segregation, so they segregate themselves by forming their own chuch?! How idiotic. I'm glad that I don't have a Mexican church.

    May 12, 2012 at 6:46 pm |
    • zaxxonzz

      Try googling 'black graduation' sometime.

      May 12, 2012 at 6:49 pm |
  4. joe

    I am not surprised at the men/women of our generation because jesus said it himself that in the last days, men shall be lovers of themselfs and not lovers of God. Because when you begin to do things to please yourself, you are making yourself a God. Man was made to be loved and lover of God and the moment we begin to do otherwise, we make ourselfs a second God. But their can only be one God and the true God wont allow a second God. So you either love God and be loved by him also or you make youself a God and perish in hell in the true God wrath for your insubordination to his authority

    May 12, 2012 at 6:45 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      Joe, Joe, Joe...you are delusional, you know that, right?

      May 12, 2012 at 6:48 pm |
    • Godoflunaticscreation

      Sounds like Stockholm Syndrome.

      May 12, 2012 at 6:51 pm |
    • Truth7

      True.

      May 12, 2012 at 6:52 pm |
  5. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things,

    May 12, 2012 at 6:41 pm |
    • Observer

      God's not impressed by spam.

      May 12, 2012 at 6:42 pm |
    • Godoflunaticscreation

      [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eFd91CXfc0&w=640&h=360]

      May 12, 2012 at 6:43 pm |
    • just sayin

      @observer
      God is impressed by Truth and there are two wonderful Truths to see here. First that atheism is totally useless,which God already knew and second that He, God is available to talk with us all. I would say that is impressive and now you know that God is available to you which you obviously didn't before. God bless... third Truth added no extra charge

      May 12, 2012 at 6:51 pm |
    • Godoflunaticscreation

      There is also another totally unproven truth that you forgot. If you touch yourself you will go blind.

      May 12, 2012 at 6:53 pm |
  6. Engineer in Raleigh

    Clearly, the solution is to have a quota for openly gay students at black divinity schools, even if they're under-qualified. Diversity! Whee!

    May 12, 2012 at 6:39 pm |
  7. Steve1959

    Attention all black people. Your leaders have spoken. You must vote for Obama. Gay is good. You must vote for Obama. Embrace the gay lifestyle. Vote for Obama. Vote for Obama.....

    May 12, 2012 at 6:37 pm |
    • Ken

      But Flip Romney says vote for him. Flip. Or don't. Flop.
      Flip Romney Flip Flop Flip Flop...
      This election will be so much fun.

      May 12, 2012 at 6:41 pm |
  8. Kevin

    The article makes sense. There certainly are parts of the Bible that when taken literally can be used to justify slavery. That is the problem with literal translation of the Bible. Christians should be boycotting restaurants that serve shellfish too if they want to be consistent.

    May 12, 2012 at 6:37 pm |
    • domal

      Thats not correct, Jesus declared all foods clean in the New Testament. Some people just don't seem to want to accept it and install followed the old testament law.

      May 12, 2012 at 6:40 pm |
    • mat

      You might want ot read something before you try quoting it.

      May 12, 2012 at 6:48 pm |
    • rochdoc

      Oh Finally is all making sense to you! These libs are so gullible. So easy to brainwash, that you cannot even think twice about an idea.
      People shou;d understand that the last book of NT was written before AD 100. The "laws" on edible meat is a middle eastern custom based on the realities of that time. Peter (I think, not Jesus – of course) the Church leader in Jerusalem allowed gentiles to eat what ever they want to eat. Slavery was a normal fact of life for the most part of history till the Christian idea that all are children of God took root and people became more aware of the real contradiction between what they preach and practice. Europeans were slaves of Romans; Hebrews beame slaves themselves; Arabs kept slaves and was an integral part of slave trade for long time; Indian Hindus caste system was worse than slavery. Britain abolished slavery under the pressure from Christians themselves. Your lib media will not tell you this. For them, everything is the fault of Christians. America was a different story – this was a country with vast land and needed cheap labor. American slavery was the worst kind as the slave person was seen lesser than animal and great atrocity was done to these poor people who were shipped like cattle to a foreign land, separated from families. (Hindu untouchables were seen lesser than animals too by the upper castes – but atleast they had their own families). More than religion , the stark contrast in origins, color and race made this cruel treatment look acceptable to undereducated white new land owners. Ofcourse people are basically mean and selfish and everyone has their own agenda (just like the bloggers here) There is no difference in them using these verses for their puposes (of controlling the slaves) from these libs using the same verses for their purposes. Basically the Devil can quote the scripture for his own purposes.

      May 12, 2012 at 8:00 pm |
  9. Jane

    It is clear that gay behavior is a universal phenomenon across all animal species, humans included. Reference:

    http://newswatch.nationalgeographic.com/2009/06/16/same-sex_behavior_common_in_animals/

    May 12, 2012 at 6:36 pm |
    • Truth7

      Then why were so many hom.o.se.xual humans mo.les.ted as children? There is always a cause and effect.

      In one study, 46% of gay men stated they were mo.les.ted as children compared to just 7% of straight men. If you base your life on science, why do you ignore the obvious? Every single person understands that early childhoid experiences can influence development.

      May 12, 2012 at 6:42 pm |
    • JKhur

      And what study was that exactly? And who paid for it? And how was it conducted? What methodology was used? When was it done? Always be careful when putting faith in any study.

      May 12, 2012 at 7:50 pm |
  10. GaryHemminger

    Equating slavery with gay marriage? Really? If you can do that, you can equate anything with slavery.

    May 12, 2012 at 6:31 pm |
    • Observer

      Discrimination is discrimination. Check the dictionary.

      May 12, 2012 at 6:40 pm |
    • momoya

      I don't see anyone equating slavery and gay marriage.. I do see where people wonder why believers aren't consistent in what verses they choose to follow and what verses they choose to ignore.. Slavery is recommended by the bible just a few pages away from where "gayness" is listed as a sin.. Stoning your children to death for disobedience is just a few pages away from where "gayness" is listed as a sin.. Instructions on how to properly sell your teen daughter is just a few pages away from where it describes eating shellfish as a sin and "gayness" is listed as a sin..

      If you're not going to advocate ALL the bible's commandments then don't act all pi.ss.y when others don't pick and choose the exact commandments to follow as you have.

      May 12, 2012 at 6:42 pm |
    • pervert alert

      Not participating in criminal activity is not discrimination. Qu-eers engage in an unnatural criminal lifestyle of perversion and abuse, often directed against the young.

      May 12, 2012 at 6:44 pm |
    • JaeB

      True.

      May 12, 2012 at 6:47 pm |
    • John

      Is it against the commandments to eat shellfish or to be gay? hmmm, NO. cherry picking the Bible and insisting on literal translations makes you look uneducated and narrow-minded...again. Also again, why are you here? Still looking for a reason to believe, momoya. Don't think you are going to find it trolling the comment section of the belief blog...you are going to have to try harder than that.

      May 12, 2012 at 7:04 pm |
  11. Anne

    Know what makes me really sick? These so called christians who are spewing HATE every day against a President they want out of THEIR WHITE HOUSE because he is BLACK. I dont know which bible they read because its not the one I read. There is only 1 race. Thats the HUMAN Race!!!! When you teach hate you are not a Christian. God does not see us in terms of color. He only sees human beings. The bible says "be ye perfect as your father in heaven is perfect" Stop spewing hate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    May 12, 2012 at 6:30 pm |
    • Todd in DC

      Slavery is condoned in the bible. Gay marriage is not even mentioned in the bible, but the bible was justified in both.

      May 12, 2012 at 6:34 pm |
    • Truth7

      You are a pure deceiver. Who is spreading hate? The so called "atheists". Who cares if the Pres is black? Look to the media for spreading hatred.
      .

      May 12, 2012 at 6:36 pm |
    • Bob

      Truth7, there's plenty of hate from your nasty sky fairy in your nasty bible to go around. Fine stuff like this:

      Numbers 31:17-18
      17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
      18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

      Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

      Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

      Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

      And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

      So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

      Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
      http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

      May 12, 2012 at 6:39 pm |
    • Shirley Aamidor

      blah blah blah blah blah

      May 12, 2012 at 6:41 pm |
    • Truth7

      Bob – once again, did God kill Cain? No. Wake up and realize there is an entirely spiritual message that you cannot see. Evil hearts read with evil eyes.

      May 12, 2012 at 6:47 pm |
    • domal

      Bob, I think you are mis-informed, on most of your whole argument. As you mentioned we no longer keep the OT laws because Jesus Christ was brutalized and murdered for us. The reason the animal were previously was because of our sin, but after the sacrifice of Christ it became no longer necessary. God didn't leave the bible as the only way to speak to us, the bible wasn't even around for a thousands of years, yet God showed men what was right, however the bible is an incredible tool to have.

      May 12, 2012 at 6:47 pm |
    • DDanny1

      Anyone who tells Bob he doesn't have his facts straight has not read the bible or does not know how to use Google. His facts are 100% correct as far as I can tell. So don't hammer him for saying "Crazy" things about the bible. Hammer yourself for both basing your theology on such a crazy book and also for not even knowing what's in it.

      May 12, 2012 at 7:00 pm |
    • Bob

      Thanks, DDanny1. I'm basically quoting the bible, as you pretty much said, so it's funny to see these folks complaining about their own mythbook.

      May 12, 2012 at 7:22 pm |
    • Bob

      domal, I think you should read what I posted more carefully. You can dispute whether or not the OT applies all you want, but my question again is, why was that horrid stuff ever put in there and applicable at any point in time?

      Your explanation for the need for sacrifice is silly, at best. How does a 'god' need killing and burning an animal? As others have noted above, it's crazy, harmful stuff, what Christians believe, and high time you left your myths behind. You'll be increasingly the laughingstock of the world until you do, and you would merely be amusing if your beliefs weren't so harmful and so rooted in such a horrid, violent mythbook.

      Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
      http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

      May 12, 2012 at 7:29 pm |
  12. rexdogcanadien

    John 3:16, "God is love". If two people love each other, who are we to condemn them. God loves us all; he doesn't care what we look like or choose to become. Religion is a business and as such has nothing to do with Him. Capitalism, socialism, communism and Religion have enslaved all of humanity. So be at peace with yourself and the world will be at peace with you. Keep loving one another. Be compassionate. Try putting yourself in another man/woman's shoe. Then shout loudly, "There but for the grace of God go I".

    May 12, 2012 at 6:29 pm |
  13. saoirse72

    Here is the logic in this article. If you are Black and you don't vote for Obama you are a hypocrite. Not because you don't like his policies but because you are a self loathing hypocrite. Mr. Blake go kiss my left toe. This is like 1st grade school yard logic...and tell me Mr. Blake how have gays suffered similar to Black's? Were they oppressed for over 400 years. Nah in fact being gay was perfectly acceptable up to the days of the catholic church but we all know what those priests were doing.

    May 12, 2012 at 6:26 pm |
    • Truth7

      It's all about this now: calling good evil and evil good.

      May 12, 2012 at 6:31 pm |
    • UrLost

      And you want us to believe that being gay is normal? You're not to scientific, human being are not like some type of animals who have both female and male capabilities. Nature itself never wanted humans to be like that. Mark my words, it's just a question of time before they will find out that being gay is either a mental disorder or some type of virus that affect the brain. Just give time a chance and you will see.

      May 12, 2012 at 6:32 pm |
    • Jane

      Gay behavior is a universal phenomenon across all animal species, humans included. Reference:

      http://newswatch.nationalgeographic.com/2009/06/16/same-sex_behavior_common_in_animals/

      May 12, 2012 at 6:36 pm |
    • saoirse72

      God gave people free will being Gay is not biological it is a choice. If you choose such a life you so be it. I don't mind giving gay people rights....but don't ever compare your suffering to that of Blacks....and don't go around telling Blacks who to vote for or what to vote for......here is the hypocrisy you telling us that we are being hypocrites when you are telling us if we don't vote your way we are all bad people....calling the kettle white huh?

      May 12, 2012 at 6:37 pm |
    • saoirse72

      God gave people free will being Gay is not biological it is a choice. If you choose such a life you so be it. I don't mind giving gay people rights....but don't ever compare your suffering to that of Blacks....and don't go around telling Blacks who to vote for or what to vote for......here is the hypocrisy you telling us that we are being hypocrites when you are telling us if we don't vote your way we are all bad people....calling the kettle white huh?

      May 12, 2012 at 6:37 pm |
    • UrLost

      Jane it's just humans trying to imitate some animal species. Bunch of wannabes. lol

      May 12, 2012 at 6:38 pm |
  14. Bubba

    Using the same logic, blacks should reject everything in the bible. Any moral stance based on anything in the bible is equally hypocritical.

    May 12, 2012 at 6:26 pm |
    • saoirse72

      Yes and if you don't vote Obama your a hypocrite. Tell Mr Blake to get real.

      May 12, 2012 at 6:27 pm |
  15. joe

    Man will always change because of it selfish desires. No one should try to modernize/change God and his word because God cannot change/modernize because of the changing/modernized world. but remains thesame yesterday,today and forever. And if you have a problem with him and what he is and said, you better don't know/accept him because he wont change himself and his word because of you. He never forced anyone to believe and accept him. So why disagree with him because if you don't believe him,then let him be and choice for yourself what you want to believe.

    May 12, 2012 at 6:25 pm |
    • UrLost

      Well said Joe.

      May 12, 2012 at 6:27 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      Joe, Joe, Joe, is your god really a he?

      May 12, 2012 at 6:28 pm |
    • UrLost

      Voice of reason, are you using your grey matter or you just pretend to be ignorant. Just in case you don't know take two midols and change diaper and go to sleep, maybe when you wake up your brain will function normally.

      May 12, 2012 at 6:35 pm |
    • Todd in DC

      Joe, so are you arguing for polygamy? That is condoned in the bible, you know. So is slavery.

      Do try to keep up. This isn't the 1600s.

      May 12, 2012 at 6:37 pm |
    • Dubious

      Joe, that makes zero sense in reference to this article. Unless, of course, you're saying that people should trust God's word (aka The Bible). Which, based on some interpretations authorizes and justifies slavery. Simply stated, if you think The Bible is a reasonable justification for banning gay marriage, then you should also believe that black people should still be slaves. You might also want to stone/burn witches or other strange behavior authorized by the Lord's infallible instruction manual.

      Disagree? That's ok, but then you're just cherry picking your arguments.

      May 12, 2012 at 6:38 pm |
    • UrLost

      Dubious i would prefer going back and live like it was back in the 1600 instead of living in a stupid lost world and wannabes society we're living in these days.

      May 12, 2012 at 6:41 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      @UrLost

      You don't know how much I wish I could make that happen for you!

      May 12, 2012 at 6:46 pm |
    • UrLost

      You don't know how much i would love that.

      May 12, 2012 at 7:37 pm |
  16. Polli

    As I am reading this, I think most white people are thankful they could get rid of slavery, and held the others accountable.

    No one ever talks about the whites who lost their lives in effort of blacks' having their freedoms...

    If you look back tho, slavery has risen in many cultures as well as in the South American Tribes...and can be seen for the vile evil it is in the Ghaddafis treatment of that poor woman forced to work for them that they threw boiling water on. I say Keep OUR LAWS and OUR American Freedoms and stop these people who are trying, as BArack, in changing our landscape, our version, our horizons...let's take back America...

    May 12, 2012 at 6:24 pm |
    • Truth7

      Slavery is a desire of evil hearts.

      May 12, 2012 at 6:26 pm |
  17. Lori

    How can any one look in to this great universe say for certain that there is no God? Have you been out there? Did you go flying into the great beyond to find out what was out there? you cannot say whether there is or is not a God based on your own experience, because you haven't expereinced everything that is in this universe. I my self choose to believe that there is A great creator. I also believe by faith and not experience that there is God. I get tired of people claiming they don't believe in God because relegion is bad and people kill in the name of relegion and do all sorts of eveil things in the name of their god or relegion. People do all sorts of things and try to justify them by miinterpretting or by twisting or reading out of context. Through out history men have done that. Why blame God for man's blunders?

    May 12, 2012 at 6:24 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      You still don't make any sense from your last post. You are a lost individual with no rationale.

      May 12, 2012 at 6:30 pm |
  18. n8362

    It is immoral to impose your religious superstition on others.

    You do not believe in religion because you honestly think it is true, you believe in it because you fear mortality or are seeking meaning in your life. It does not take a genius to figure out all religion is man made, so for humanity's sake, please stop lying to yourself.

    Deluding yourself in religion does not change reality. Lying to yourself is probably the worst possible way to try to find meaning.

    May 12, 2012 at 6:23 pm |
    • UrLost

      Like you said it doesn't take a genius, as a matter of fact when you're less that a genius it's pretty hard to find out where the religion is coming from, so that explains pretty well why some people take a short cut because of lack of genius mind and say it's man made.

      May 12, 2012 at 6:25 pm |
    • n8362

      If it is a shortcut why is it that the most brilliant people in the world usually conclude religion is man made?

      May 12, 2012 at 6:36 pm |
    • UrLost

      n8362 it's simply because some scientist have a lack of intelligence and they use that as a short cut because they can't figure out anything else better to say. Too many people are supporting gay over here, i guess everyone should go ahead and support that so that everyone turn gay, that will be a good thing, it will make more women for me.

      May 12, 2012 at 6:47 pm |
    • n8362

      Was Einstein taking a shortcut because he concluded all organized religions are false?

      May 12, 2012 at 6:50 pm |
    • n8362

      Or are you saying Einstein lacked the intelligence?

      May 12, 2012 at 6:53 pm |
    • UrLost

      Einstein was good at time and space relativity, but when it came to religions he was lacking pretty much of common sense.

      May 12, 2012 at 7:39 pm |
  19. Malcolm Xcrement

    Terrific. Now DNCNN is taking on the black church in order to push it's sickening liberal agenda. This is not about human rights. This is about sub-human rights. This is about the rights of perverts who commit disease spreading, un-natural acts. Shame on you, CNN!!! Leave the faithful out of your agenda!! Go pick on the Muslims or the Jews. They have the same beliefs.

    May 12, 2012 at 6:21 pm |
    • Han

      If you're reading CNN you're already on the left side anyhow. Go back to Fox if you don't want to be influenced by liberal agenda at all.

      May 12, 2012 at 6:36 pm |
    • Dubious

      Nice trolling attempt

      May 12, 2012 at 6:40 pm |
  20. saoirse72

    I don;t care if John Blake is Black....he is telling all Black they need to vote this way or they are all hypocrites...how is that different then some white many telling blacks they all have to vote one way because one man says they should. So you should trade one master for another. Wow...I think you all got kicked out of primary school or something.

    May 12, 2012 at 6:20 pm |
    • Dubious

      False. He is saying that religious justification for banning gay marriage is full of inconsistencies, both rhetorically, historically, and theologically.

      He's actually drawing attention to a really interesting topic: "Why do Christians cherry pick their arguments from the bible, avoiding some of its teachings, but emphasizing others?"

      May 12, 2012 at 6:43 pm |
    • saoirse72

      Christians cherry pick there arguments just like Gays do or are you saying that Gays are correct 100% of the time?

      May 12, 2012 at 6:44 pm |
    • saoirse72

      that is not interesting nor is it that far fetched....people believe what they want and choose the direction they want.....it is the same reason why we all wonder why you would want to put something were poop comes out. I don't ask why if you like it that is your choice....doesn't mean I still shouldn't find it disgusting. People have preferences.....you like tomatoes I hate tomatoes...so be it.

      May 12, 2012 at 6:47 pm |
    • GLCarmine

      Tactical argumentation is common, but @Dubious, I think you're right. The issues for religious concern (abortion, gay marriage, contraception) are those which are meant to invoke division and polarization. This article does get into that, because there are obviously gay African Americans, their family and their communities who are supportive of them and their reception of rights, even if church authorities disagree. And African Americans on both sides will ultimately choose to vote for their own individual reasons.

      May 12, 2012 at 7:10 pm |
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