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Is the black church guilty of spiritual hypocrisy in same-sex marriage debate?
Delman Coates at Mt. Ennon Baptist Church is among a minority of black ministers in Maryland who have endorsed gay rights.
May 12th, 2012
08:00 AM ET

Is the black church guilty of spiritual hypocrisy in same-sex marriage debate?

By John Blake, CNN

(CNN) - Some people wonder if the black church will punish President Barack Obama for announcing support for same-sex marriage.

Here’s another question:

Why would the black church cite scripture to exclude gays when a similar approach to the Bible was used to enslave their ancestors?

“It’s so unfortunate,” says James Cone, one the nation’s most influential black theologians and author of “The Cross and the Lynching Tree.”

“The literal approach to scripture was used to enslave black people,” he says. “I’ve said many times in black churches that the black church is on the wrong side of history on this. It’s so sad because they were on the right side of history in their own struggle.”

Call it historical irony: Black church leaders arguing against same-sex marriage are making some of the same arguments that supporters of slavery made in the 18th and 19th centuries, some historians say. Both groups adopted a literal reading of the Bible to justify withholding basic rights from a particular group.

CNN’s Belief Blog: The faith angles behind the biggest stories

Opposition to gay rights is not the standard position of all black churches. Still, while several predominately white mainline denominations have officially accepted gays and lesbians in various forms, the vast majority of black churches still consider homosexuality a sin.

Black church leaders recently helped lead a successful drive to amend North Carolina’s constitution to ban same-sex marriage. The Rev. Fred Robinson, a black pastor in Charlotte, says most black churchgoers aren’t hypocrites. They take scripture, and sin, seriously.

“Black people are not confused,” Robinson says. “If you look at the scriptures that oppose homosexuality, Old and New Testament, they are clearer cut than the ones people used to justify slavery.”

Yet there are other factors beyond the Bible that shape the black church’s resistance to same-sex marriage.

“It’s more than scripture – it’s history, culture, how we were raised,” says the Rev. Tim McDonald, founder of the African American Ministers Leadership Council.

Some black church leaders are still fighting hard just to persuade straight black couples to marry. Accepting same-sex marriage when so many black households lack a husband and wife makes McDonald uneasy.

“I am not comfortable performing a wedding ceremony of the same sex,” says McDonald, an Obama supporter. “That’s just where I am.”

Some black pastors, however, embrace a literal approach to the Bible not just to exclude gays but to get rid of competition, says Edward Blum, a San Diego State University historian.

Some black pastors cite New Testament passages such as Paul’s demand that women keep silent in churches to argue against black women in the pulpit.

That argument is harder to make when black women’s energy and donations form the backbone of the black church, Blum says, but some still get away with it.

“The biblical literalist reading has kept male leadership in power in a church that is hugely female,” Blum says. “It keeps power in men’s hands.”

The one book that mattered

Black churches also embrace a literal reading of the scripture because of its unique history, says Blum, author of “W.E.B. DuBois, American Prophet.”

During slavery and segregation, many blacks saw the Bible as the one document they could trust. The Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, state and local laws – all found some way to ignore their humanity, Blum says.

The Bible, though, was one book that told them that they weren’t slaves or three-fifths of a person, Blum says.

It said they were children of God.

“Throughout the 18th and 19th century, what document could they trust?” Blum says. “When the Bible says it’s so, it’s something that black people believed they could trust.”

Their enemies, though, used that same veneration of the Bible against them. Slaveholders had a simple but powerful argument when critics challenged them: Trust the Bible.

They cited scriptures such as Ephesians 6:5. (“Slaves, be obedient to those who are your earthly masters, with fear and trembling. ...”) And they said Jesus preached against many sins, but never against slavery.

Since the Bible is infallible, and scripture sanctions slavery, it must be part of God’s order, slaveholders concluded.

“Slavery is everywhere in the Bible,” Blum says. “When Americans who were in favor of slavery defended it with the Bible, they had a treasure trove of clear biblical passages that accepted enslavement.”

Blum says abolitionists found it difficult to mount an effective counterargument. They couldn’t just say trust the Bible. They preached another approach to scriptures.

They said you couldn’t enslave people based on the Golden Rule: Do unto others as you would have them do to you. (Obama cited the Golden Rule and his Christian faith in supporting same-sex marriage).

“The abolitionist turned to the ethics and spirit of the Bible,” Blum says. “They were theological modernists before modernism.”

And what are black clergy and churchgoers today when they cite the Bible to oppose same-sex marriage?

Robinson, the North Carolina pastor, says they’re not homophobes.

“It says in the Bible that homosexuals will not inherit the Kingdom of God,” he says. “How do you explain that one away? A lot of honest Christians are not trying to hate homosexuals. They’re saying that if I take the Bible seriously, I’m not sure I can say it’s right.”

Robinson says that some opposition to homosexuality is actually based in compassion:

“If I’m concerned about your soul, I have to tell you the truth in love.”

Cone, who teaches at Union Theological Seminary in New York City, says black churchgoers opposed to same-sex marriage are instead mimicking their ancestors’ oppressors.

“I tell some people, ‘These people were against you.’ They would have lynched you. How are you going to now join them and help them lynch somebody else?’”

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Barack Obama • Christianity • Culture wars • Gay marriage • Gay rights • Homosexuality • Politics

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  1. Hmmm...

    @Lisa
    A Goddess worshiper...are you kind of hot?

    May 13, 2012 at 11:52 pm |
  2. Reality

    Reality

    ONLY FOR THE NEWCOMERS–---->>>>>>>>>>

    "Abrahamics" believe that their god created all of us and of course that includes the g-ay members of the human race. Also, those who have studied ho-mo-se-xuality have determined that there is no choice involved therefore ga-ys are ga-y because god made them that way.

    To wit:

    o The Royal College of Psy-chiatrists stated in 2007:

    “ Despite almost a century of psy-choanalytic and psy-chological speculation, there is no substantive evidence to support the suggestion that the nature of parenting or early childhood experiences play any role in the formation of a person’s fundamental heteros-exual or hom-ose-xual orientation. It would appear that s-exual orientation is biological in nature, determined by a complex interplay of ge-netic factors and the early ut-erine environment. Se-xual orientation is therefore not a choice.[60] "

    "Garcia-Falgueras and Swaab state in the abstract of their 2010 study, "The fe-tal brain develops during the intraut-erine period in the male direction through a direct action of tes-tosterone on the developing nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hor-mone surge. In this way, our gender identi-ty (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) and s-exual orientation are programmed or organized into our brain structures when we are still in the womb. There is no indication that social environment after birth has an effect on gender ident–ity or s-exual orientation."[8

    See also the Philadelphia Inquirer review “Gay Gene, Deconstructed”, 12/12/2011. Said review addresses the following “How do genes associated with ho-mose-xuality avoid being weeded out by Darwinian evolution?”

    Of course, those gays who belong to Abrahamic religions are supposed to obey the rules of no adu-ltery or for-nication allowed.

    And because of basic biology differences said monogamous ventures should always be called same-s-ex unions not same-s-ex marriages.

    From below, on top, backwards, forwards, from this side of the Moon and from the other side too, gay se-xual activity is still mutual masturbation caused by one or more complex se-xual differences. Some differences are visually obvious in for example the complex maleness of DeGeneres, Billy Jean King and Rosie O'Donnell.

    Yes, heteros-exuals practice many of the same "moves" but there is never a doubt who is the female and who is the male.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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    May 13, 2012 at 11:16 pm |
    • Sean

      The reality is you're a sad human being. Your god is only worried about what you do – and not what you "allow" or don't "allow" from your neighbor. The reality is that you should be worried about your own salvation because this diatribe will land you in hell faster than anything the president has said. Nothing worse then a meddling Christian – WORRY ABOUT YOURSELF and allow others to deal with their own moment with St. Peter. As my mother used to say, "who died and left you God??"

      May 14, 2012 at 10:53 am |
    • Vincent

      Your point of view is wrong trying to bring out this "gay-gene" thing....we are a fallen people and everyone of us are pre-disposed to sin. It's not weather we have it in us, but weather we choose to act on it or not.

      May 14, 2012 at 12:40 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "Your point of view is wrong trying to bring out this "gay-gene" thing....we are a fallen people and everyone of us are pre-disposed to sin. It's not weather we have it in us, but weather we choose to act on it or not."

      It's who the person is and they are entitled to have loving respectful relationships just like straights! There are many sins in your bible but you aren't going out of your way to block their civil rights. The divorce rate in America is at 50% and adultery is considered a great sin but you aren't trying to block their civil rights. What a hypocrite.

      May 14, 2012 at 12:43 pm |
  3. BoldGeorge

    I CANNOT believe how some people (mainly politicians, the ho.mo.se.x.ual community and advocates) can compare the ho.mo.se.x.ual agenda with a race of people, in this case being black. But what is most disturbing from this whole dilemma is how the black community is not responding to this matter appropriately, saying, "QUIT comparing our race with the issue of morality!!!"

    Someone can be born black and choose to uphold moral values or not. But can a ho.mo.se.x.ual cannot choose to be black/asian/hispanic/white/etc when in actuality they are not (and I am not referring to culture here)? The issue of morality or lack thereof cannot and should not be compared with race. I can accept that someone can be born with a certain inclination to be attracted to the same gender and then do something about it to change their deviation (like get right with God). I have seen it done before. But, aside from Michael Jackson's failed attempt, you cannot choose to be of another color or race after you are born. It is extremely absurd to compare the ho.mo.se.x.ual agenda with the black race.

    Besides all this, the Bible has nothing against any race whatsoever. If a black person is saved by the power of God's grace through faith in Jesus Christ, they have a place in God's kingdom. But it is clear that an unrepentant sinner (whether they be lairs, theives, ho.mo.se.x.uals, adulterers, murderers, etc.) will not take part in God's kingdom. By the way, just so I am clear, a REPENTANT sinner who turns from his/her sin and turns to Christ for redemption, CAN be saved, that includes ho.mo.se.x.uals. I am not against them in any way. I AM against those who twist the Bible and deceive people into thinking it's ok cause God made you that way. There will be many ex-ho.mo.se.x.uals in heaven. That I am sure of.

    May 13, 2012 at 6:19 pm |
    • momoya

      It's about freedom.. Just because you have a certain opinion, it doesn't mean you get to tell other people how to live or how to define their relationships.. You get to have the sort of relationships you want; let other people have that same freedom.. Yay, gay marriage– it should be your cry as well.

      May 13, 2012 at 8:36 pm |
    • GodFreeNow

      George, I guess you're one of the people that believe se.xual preference is a choice. In which case, you must believe that you could choose to be g.ay. Question, have you ever tried this? I have, but I'm the kind of person that relies on evidence for my beliefs rather than plat.itudes. (Maybe you have tried and you're just ashamed of yourself)

      I love the blind confidence you have in your morals. As if they have any weight in reality. It sounds like you believe everyone should be just as se.xually repressed at you clearly are. Oh the demons you must have to live with in your subconscious! I certainly can't help but feel sorry for someone like you.

      May 13, 2012 at 10:15 pm |
    • Cq

      George
      Nobody is claiming that gay people are perfect. They do bad things like everyone else, but what people are arguing is that being gay itself, and even choosing to express it, isn't bad, or a sin. It hurts nobody, except some people's idea that boys should always seek out women to lord over, and girls should always be dependent upon men.

      May 14, 2012 at 10:19 am |
    • Madtown

      I AM against those who twist the Bible and deceive people into thinking it's ok cause God made you that way.
      --------
      Typical hateful, judgemental "christian". Talk about twisted values, you display none of what Jesus taught. God makes hoM0.s*xuals every day, they continue to be born. Yet, you believe you are the one to critique God's work, and state that it's "not ok" that people are this way, even though this is the way God made them?! Repulsive.

      May 14, 2012 at 10:36 am |
    • YeahRight

      "Someone can be born black and choose to uphold moral values or not. But can a ho.mo.se.x.ual cannot choose to be black/asian/hispanic/white/etc when in actuality they are not (and I am not referring to culture here)? The issue of morality or lack thereof cannot and should not be compared with race. I can accept that someone can be born with a certain inclination to be attracted to the same gender and then do something about it to change their deviation (like get right with God). I have seen it done before"

      Yo moron being gay isn't a choice. By the way ever heard of a bisexual? LMAO! You can't choose to be gay and it can't be cured. The American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Counseling Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American School Counselor Association, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the National Association of SocialWorkers, together representing more than 480,000 mental health professionals, have all taken the position that homosexuality is not a mental disorder and thus is not something that needs to or can be “cured."

      By the way being born gay doesn't make you immoral, but choosing to b a prejudice bigot despite the facts proving you wrong is immoral. Prejudice likes yours is a menace to our society and continues to fuel the hatred and bigotry towards this minority group. You are nothing like your Christ.

      May 14, 2012 at 10:44 am |
    • Jerry

      You are ignorant.

      May 14, 2012 at 10:49 am |
    • Sean

      Read my reply to "Reality". You folks simply ignore all of the facts to reenforce your personal beliefs. The bible is a horrifying body of work when it comes to human rights and equal protection. It permits slavery, the selling and beating of a spouse, vengeance and then tells people "thou shall not kill" just before sending them off to war. Hypocracy is the one thing all god fearing people share – WHERE IS LOVE? Or did you skip that part of the bible. Love first, 2,000 year old uninformed rules, second.

      May 14, 2012 at 11:18 am |
    • Ozymandias71

      Scream and rage all you want to – there's a CLEAR connection between race and orientation – and that's called DISCRIMINATION.

      May 14, 2012 at 12:22 pm |
  4. AtreayuJah

    I am NO part of this world, and neither should you." Those are the words of Yeshua. And yet, followers of Christendom are arguing over the decisions of this government. Why? If you are a lover of Yahweh God, why are you even delving into worldly politics? If it doesn't affect you, and it shouldn't, then why worry? Here's what irks me. You call yourself a "Christian", and yet your actions and doctrines refute it. Yeshua (Jesus) was not affiliated with any part of politics when he was around. When asked to be King, he turned it down saying that his kingdom was NOT a part of this world. Neither should his followers who claim to love him. True Christian's don't vote because you know that this system and government is overseen by Satan. Christendom holds to Pagan traditions enacted by Constantine and Babylonian gods! Here's a hint..if you want to judge others on their decisions in life, start with yourself and your so-called faith. Stop listening to these money-hungry pastors that go to school to learn the Bible when if you are truly called by Yahweh, then you don't need a theology based college that all preachers and pastors go to. Here's a hint...research! Christmas...pagan, Easter...pagan..the cross...pagan! Yeshua died on a stake NOT a cross. So before you whine about decisions Satan's government makes and you claim yourself as a follower of Yeshua, you need to do your research. You are to be NO PART OF THIS WORLD. You pay back to Ceaser what is Ceaser's (Pay your taxes) and follow the laws of your government, because many laws are guidelines of the ten commandments. Other than that, politics are not of Yahweh. Jesus wouldn't touch politics. PERIOD! Learn your history. Christendom is bloody! The Catholic church, Catholicism, which every other denomination stems from (Reformation) ,are child-molesting cover-ups! You call yourself followers of God? True followers of Yahweh stay out of worldly churches that teach lies. Churches will be destroyed and those inside of her will be destroyed too. The Vatican and the Pope are already under attack because of the secrets coming out about abuse, child-molesting and abortions of pregnant nuns and what they did to the Native Americans. Mormons are a cult as well as Jehovah's Witnesses. Baptists and Protestants are "Sunday" Christians,and these feel-good churches are just that..feel-good. Get out of the churches, study for yourself what the scriptures say. Stop putting money in preachers hands cause they are all businessmen.

    May 13, 2012 at 5:51 pm |
    • Sargint Rock

      And another SICK puppy chimes in!

      May 13, 2012 at 6:03 pm |
    • Cq

      The fact that you're posting comments on the internet means you are making yourself part of this world. If you actually made an effort to exclude yourself from this world we'd never know you were there, and we'd never hear your odd opinions. See how that works?

      May 13, 2012 at 11:26 pm |
    • Cq

      AtreayuJah
      There sure are a lot of you guys all saying the same thing. Are you sure you aren't part of a "Church" then, one of those groups that only teach lies?

      May 14, 2012 at 10:30 am |
  5. THIS

    Anonymous

    What is ironic is that these people still groan under the whip of slavery.
    I read their groans and complaints in the news and shake my head in disgust at their unwillingness to release themselves from this slavery..
    This slavery is mental slavery. They are chained, mentally and emotionally, to the bigoted cults of their religion.
    The exact same religion that was used by whip-wielding slave-owners to justify their hatred of dark skin, of a foreign people they had enslaved by force.
    Yet these descendants of those slaves never escaped the mental and emotional slavery of the slave-owner's religion.
    The chains are still there.
    They chafe and bruise and break their bones with hypocrisy and bigotry and racism, just like for those long-gone slave-owners who also were slaves in this way.
    Mental chains of bigotry and delusion. Emotional chains of group identlty, of hate, of false comfort, of having no ability to think for themselves because they were born into this slavery.

    It is slavery born of ignorance, of indoctrination, of the brutal emotional "beat-downs" of their own family members and neighbors.

    Born into this slavery, or caught and sold to the slave-owning churches from outside the group, these people have no hope for freedom.
    They have had their hope for freedom stolen from them, covered over with lies, fooled into thinking their chains are freedom, that their chains are made of hope.
    But chains are chains.
    They remain slaves who have been brainwashed to refuse freedom, brainwashed to refuse real hope, brainwashed to fight against anything that goes against their slavery!
    Religion has made them slaves that forge the chains of their own bondage, their own servitude to the bigoted delusions of their religion.
    How can I blame them in their ignorance and seeing the delusional strength of their mental chains?
    I do not hate them. I very much want them to be free and happy to the greatest extent possible.
    But I do not have anything but words like this to saw away frantically at those chains...those chains upon my brothers and sisters no matter who they are or what they look like.
    I attack their chains over and over with my words of truth, of honesty and compassion. I use much of my strength and love to attack the chains that destroy their lives and warp their minds. I spend hours of my life doing this for them.

    And no, they did not ask me for this. Such slaves as they have become would never ask for freedom because these are chains upon their minds and emotions. The chains are always disguised, always made of lies, and are almost unbreakable.

    Yet I try. I seek their freedom from the lies they cannot break, the lies they cannot and will not fight.
    I seek to release them from their mental slavery even as they attack me for daring to even touch their chains.
    It is very sad and horrifying to see the sheer scope of what I am attempting to do.
    I have shed tears more than once over the plight of those who are mental slaves to lies, to bigotry based on lies, to hate born of fear and ignorance.
    But I will keep hacking away at those chains. I can do nothing less if I want them to be free. And I do. Very much.

    May 13, 2012 at 5:21 pm |
    • Sargint Rock

      As we say in the South, 'You are one sick puppy!"

      May 13, 2012 at 5:29 pm |
    • THIS

      @Sgt.D1ck
      Yes, you are clearly one of the southern retards. Thanks for coming out. We'll be in touch. Buh-bye.

      May 13, 2012 at 5:35 pm |
  6. once again

    What a world this turned out to become, may GOD the GOD of the Bible JESUS Christ Kingdom come and bring HIS judgment upon Obama and this evil world that have forgotten and forsaken GOD's commandments just to seek its own desires. So sad

    May 13, 2012 at 3:42 pm |
    • JohnQInCrazyFlorida

      Being called a liar by a son a flee bitten GOP sow can be ignored. NOT every are liars like you guys. You a a Pharisees: reprobate

      May 13, 2012 at 4:53 pm |
  7. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things .

    May 13, 2012 at 3:32 pm |
    • Jesus

      Prayer doesn’t not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!.*!~

      May 14, 2012 at 10:45 am |
  8. Sargint Rock

    The deafening silence of the LGBT community pertaining to Allah and the Koran speaks volumes about their ignorance of world affairs. Their frenzied promotion of their "Tempest in a Teapot" agenda should be the least of their worries.They seem to respect the Koran more than they do the Bible. Sadly, if things continue under another Obummer administration, they will realize far too late that the Christians and the Scriptures were their last hope of defending the freedoms they now enjoy. When and if Sharia Law ever sweeps this land, you will all see how petty and foolish you were in alienating the only friends you had. Ya'll think you're oppressed now? You ain't seen nothing yet. We Christians are prepared for Marytrdom. As for the gay community, time will tell!

    May 13, 2012 at 3:04 pm |
    • once again

      Amen to that,

      May 13, 2012 at 4:14 pm |
    • lovelove

      i believe in god. i'm gay. both won't change. i'm probably not as good a christian as you ... i'm afraid i just lead by example, not by judging those around me.

      May 13, 2012 at 9:35 pm |
    • Lisa

      How would Christian Law be an improvement over Sharia Law?

      May 13, 2012 at 11:30 pm |
    • Really-O?

      @Sargint Rock-
      I can't decide whether your incoherence or the bits of your message I can derive is more unsettling.

      May 14, 2012 at 12:08 am |
    • Really-O?

      @lovelove-
      You aren't required to believe in dogma that deems you unworthy...so, why would you?

      May 14, 2012 at 12:10 am |
    • Really-O?

      @lovelove-
      I'll be a bit more forthright...there are no good reasons to believe any of the dogmas that tell you you're unworthy. You are worthy. Liberate yourself.

      May 14, 2012 at 12:14 am |
    • JGEE

      If the LGBT is really fighting the fight, is really "activist," let's see them call out the Koran, let's see them call out conservative Islamic orthodoxy.

      But you know they won't: easy to lambast and taunt Christianity in the west. But go ahead and try to challenge Islam in the east. Truth or dare.

      May 14, 2012 at 10:48 am |
    • DavidK

      @Lisa
      How would Christian Law be an improvement over Sharia Law?

      Why don't you try reading, studying, unfolding the texts and theologies instead of relying on reductive, spun media narratives about religions.

      May 14, 2012 at 10:51 am |
    • Ozymandias71

      Maybe we don't have much to say about Jews or Muslims is because they AREN'T the ones pushing for the anti-gay amendments, the 'don't say gay' bills in school, the 'ex-gay' therapy scams... that belongs to the 'Christians'. Trying to deflect to the Muslim and Jewish community is just another dodge.

      May 14, 2012 at 12:25 pm |
  9. Wade

    It is not called hypocrisy it is called racism. They vote and will continue to vote for Obama because he is black at least half and they will not vote for anyone else as long as they have a black or even half black man to vote for no matter how much they have suffered under Obama. In fact Obama could ware white robes burn a cross and hang blacks and many would still vote for him.

    May 13, 2012 at 2:09 pm |
    • momoya

      Are you really implying that NOT ONE SINGLE African-American voted for Obama for a reason other than race?!?!?!!? :-/

      May 13, 2012 at 2:16 pm |
    • JohnQInCrazyFlorida

      Your comment is soooo idiotic that one can only conclude that you are a confirm RACIST. I have family members and friends that voted for McCain...

      May 13, 2012 at 4:09 pm |
    • once again

      you are a Lair, just like obama, none of your family voted for a whait man. Wade's statement is very true.

      May 13, 2012 at 4:19 pm |
    • JohnQInCrazyFlorida

      Being called a liar by a son a flee bitten GOP sow can be ignored. NOT every are liars like you guys

      May 13, 2012 at 4:40 pm |
    • JohnQInCrazyFlorida

      @ once again... Being called a liar by the son of a flee bitten GOP sow can be ignored. NOT every are liars like you guys

      May 13, 2012 at 4:42 pm |
    • Ronda Williams

      Once again Did you go to the voting polling and watch every A.A. person vote? What level of education do you have?

      May 13, 2012 at 7:09 pm |
    • Ronda Williams

      Once again ..Did you go to the voting polling and watch every A.A. person vote? Also a lair is a den. What level of education do you have?

      May 13, 2012 at 7:11 pm |
    • Ronda Williams

      Wade and Once again, how many A.A. do you know personally? Did you follow them to the polls. What gives you both the credentials to speak for millions of people? Even if many black people voted 4 Obama because he is black, so what. Blacks have been voting for whites for years. Whites have been voting for whites who hated blacks for years. Are are condemning white people? Did you not vote for him because he was black. Either way you look at it , race has something to do with it. Otherwise, you would make not make ignorant comments.

      May 13, 2012 at 7:22 pm |
    • momoya

      I think that Wade may have waded in over his head!!

      May 13, 2012 at 8:25 pm |
    • pepinium

      Wade, you just don't get it. I am an Obama supporter (not African-American) who disagrees with his stance on gay marriage, however, when I look at the other side there's no one there talking about the issues I care about. I am not about to let myself be manipulated to vote against my families best interests, as ignorant people so often are in this country. News to the Republitard party – THAT GIG IS UP !!!!

      May 14, 2012 at 10:56 am |
  10. neguys

    as a gay man, i feel sorry for all these ignorant people......and hopeful that very shortly it will be against the law for all of them to discriminate against me.......us gays are watching you !!!!

    May 13, 2012 at 2:04 pm |
    • Wade

      Ignorant is someone saying this is about gay's when it is only about the church not following the teachings of the bible. If anyone out side the church wants to support gays they are welcomed to do so but if you are in a Christian church and support it then you are in fact betraying GOD who all throughout the bible calls it a sin. I am not a Christian so I happen to support gay rights always have but I also support FREEDOM of religion and would not sacrifice it for the so called rights of anyone.

      May 13, 2012 at 2:14 pm |
    • once again

      Please don't feel sorry for me. What you doing is against GOD's law, just like that.

      May 13, 2012 at 3:29 pm |
    • Ozymandias71

      Wade, let's be clear here – the LGBT community isn't trying to 'oppress' Christian belief – it's the other way around.

      May 14, 2012 at 12:27 pm |
  11. Godoflunaticscreation

    The churches better fall into line like good little socialist lapdogs or they might have to start paying taxes. They currently have NPO status and refuse to follow NPO tax laws. I wonder when someone is going to bring a case against the government helping fund a bigoted organization? Your days are numbered. : )

    May 13, 2012 at 1:31 pm |
    • Godoflunaticscreation

      If the LGBT community brings a lawsuit they will be joined by many others. Start the ball rolling while you are in public favor, we will get your back. TAX THE CHURCHES!

      May 13, 2012 at 1:46 pm |
    • neguys

      TAX THESE CHURCHES NOW NOW NOW

      May 13, 2012 at 2:05 pm |
    • Godoflunaticscreation

      The call for justice will not be silenced. The evil religious will be punished for their sins against mankind!

      May 13, 2012 at 2:30 pm |
  12. OMG

    Way to go black "christians"...you're making Jesus proud with your bigotry and hatred. Our country is doomed by flat-out ignorance. Let's spend more energy on education and independant thinking, than following hypocrites and bigots right over a cliff.

    May 13, 2012 at 1:27 pm |
    • Jay

      @OMG - So one disagrees on marriage definitions and parameters of meaning, and they're labeled a bigot and hater? Why don't you try thinking civilly and independently. Way to rehash the silly, reductive and cretinist rhetoric of the media.

      The bigger and hilarious irony of your point is this: in your quest to call out intolerance and bigotry and phobia, the one who spews incendiary "bigoted" comments is yourself. You clearly have your own personal demons. Deal with them.

      May 14, 2012 at 10:53 am |
  13. fou Chin

    African American Christian need to chose God or Obama i think.

    May 13, 2012 at 1:10 pm |
    • True

      Too bad your God isn't on the ballot...

      May 13, 2012 at 1:16 pm |
    • rh

      According to the Old Testament, women and children are the property of men, and slavery is just fine, and killing someone because God tells you to is not only okay, but demanded.

      The point is that the Bible was written by men, not by God, and in large part supported the discriminatory and disgusting tribal practices of the time.

      May 13, 2012 at 1:17 pm |
    • dorothy

      Or they could choose an educated Christian Church that doesn't interpret the Bible according to cultural biases and then there would be no conflict between following Obama and God.

      May 13, 2012 at 1:20 pm |
    • Godoflunaticscreation

      Dorothy, you mean interprets it by YOUR cultural standards. You people are so blind. I guess thats why they call you the flock. Sheep like you aren't capable of thought.

      May 13, 2012 at 1:28 pm |
    • mike proctor

      there is no chose in reference to people rights and of all people the Afro-Americans should know this better than anyone in this Country. But again here we see the white man using the blacks to do their racist evil deed for them as they have done in the past against other groups. Afro-Americans are over looking the facts that the white man is stopping them from voting in the south right now sooo wake up and smell the roses you are being punk again.

      May 13, 2012 at 1:31 pm |
    • JohnQInCrazyFlorida

      Maybe Obama should ask your god to NOT support GOP like he did the last election. Most GOP's are narrow-minded, greedy, egotistical, lying, sanctimonious, reprobates - just like the Pharisees that were against Jesus. I was surprised the other day when Iearned from born again GOPer that man exists during the age of the dinosaurs. Now I have to look at Fred and Barney in a whole new light

      May 13, 2012 at 4:20 pm |
    • Grace and Truth

      Simple Obey God than man (Acts 5:29)
      RH- I love when people proof text the Bible. It's like read lines in the book without reading the whole book or knowing any background
      Dorothy- How many A.A. churches you been to. My pastor is a Dr. and I have degree in theology.
      At the end of the day God is in control and for all the non believers, you are in control. You can even control whether or not you can breathe and for how long.

      "The message of the cross is foolish to those who are headed for destruction! But we who are being saved know it is the very power of God." 1Corinthians 1:18 (NIV)

      May 13, 2012 at 7:36 pm |
    • Lisa

      You mean they have to choose your version of God over Obama. Their version of God, a compassionate version of God who values justice, would be compatible with the president.

      May 13, 2012 at 11:37 pm |
  14. Don Jones

    All churches are hippocritical, its necessary for thier survival

    May 13, 2012 at 1:09 pm |
    • True

      "All churches are hippocritical"

      As in "If you don't believe in our lies we will drop a several ton African water mammal on your head for a Hippocritical attack..."

      But I guess I can't judge you since I have misspelled a few things myself and that would be hypocritical.

      May 13, 2012 at 1:20 pm |
    • Trevor

      Visted them all have you? You must be a very busy man...

      May 13, 2012 at 1:22 pm |
  15. Obama from KFC

    ...I love the black church!!

    They will vote for me regardless of what I do and how much I disregard their beliefs.....they are my sheep and I am their shepard.

    Obo from KFC

    May 13, 2012 at 1:06 pm |
    • pat carr

      don't walk too fast or those scars on your knuckles will break open again

      May 13, 2012 at 1:09 pm |
    • Rick

      Obama is just expousing his "white side opinion" on this matter, not his black side, that way he can stay in good graces with the black churches.

      May 13, 2012 at 1:13 pm |
    • Truth

      I love how ignorant white racists like to claim that black people only voted for Obama because he's black without mentioning that it was the first time they had that option in the last 43 elections. They get one Black guy on the ballot and the white racists scream "Racism!!" Personally I would be fine having a "white male president" moratorium for a few decades, more of a regulated integration to allow the minorities and women a chance to have a say for a few years. They certainly couldn't do any worse.

      May 13, 2012 at 1:28 pm |
    • mike proctor

      to Obama from KFC, Rick I have alot to said but I think,no Paul coment would be the comment I would added this subject matter. GOOD JOB PAUL!!!!! Also let not forget the dead gay service persons who die in wars for this Country so you can made such stupid remarks.

      May 13, 2012 at 1:46 pm |
    • Truthier

      " they had that option in the last 43 elections."

      Actually it wasn't until the 36th President that they were able to vote on a large scale with the 1964 civil rights act, so they are really 1 for 7. Of course that just basically admits that white people don't have a leg to stand on when claiming reverse discrimination.

      May 13, 2012 at 2:13 pm |
  16. Kodes100

    In a word – YES!

    May 13, 2012 at 1:04 pm |
  17. Paul

    No one has the right to impose their religious beliefs on another. Sin is a religious notion and has no place in discussions within secular society. Trying to argue this based on religion misses the main point. Gay marriage is in issue of rights and freedoms, not religion. I don't give a damn about what someone else thinks is sin.

    May 13, 2012 at 1:04 pm |
    • Vincent

      It's not imposing our religious beliefs on you... If you saw someone heading for certain eternal doom and you did nothing to try to help them... that to me is a far more egregious act than sitting quit and letting you go down in flames.

      May 14, 2012 at 1:22 pm |
  18. Animenut

    Depends on who's ox is getting gored. Always has been and always will be. Self-righteous, and jealousy too.

    May 13, 2012 at 1:01 pm |
    • yungCAUCASOID

      why should The Black Church be concerned, when Obama goes to a White Church and invites his White Pastor to The White House:

      May 13, 2012 at 1:06 pm |
  19. Grow up black bigots

    “You can’t believe in equal rights for some people and yet not believe in equal rights for everybody,” Rev. Joseph Lowery

    May 13, 2012 at 12:53 pm |
    • yungCAUCASOID

      why should The Black Church be concerned, when Obama goes to a White Church and invites his White Pastor to The White House:

      [img]http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_606w/WashingtonPost/Content/Blogs/election-2012/201205/Images/o3231.jpg/[img]

      May 13, 2012 at 1:08 pm |
  20. JM

    Well, anyway...Happy Mother's Day to all mothers who brought us into this world, sacrifice so much for us and provide so much love and support!!

    God bless you. God bless us, everyone one.

    May 13, 2012 at 12:52 pm |
    • Godoflunaticscreation

      Thor has blessed me, and you it seems. Praise him!

      May 13, 2012 at 12:58 pm |
    • JohnQInCrazyFlorida

      Allah blessed u and so does RA and all the other gods too

      May 13, 2012 at 4:33 pm |
    • Lisa

      Blessed be the Great Earth Goddess Mother, the original God.

      May 13, 2012 at 11:49 pm |
    • Hmmm...

      @Lisa
      A Goddess worshiper...are you kind of hot?
      ...

      May 13, 2012 at 11:53 pm |
    • Lisa

      🙂

      May 14, 2012 at 10:06 am |
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