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Is the black church guilty of spiritual hypocrisy in same-sex marriage debate?
Delman Coates at Mt. Ennon Baptist Church is among a minority of black ministers in Maryland who have endorsed gay rights.
May 12th, 2012
08:00 AM ET

Is the black church guilty of spiritual hypocrisy in same-sex marriage debate?

By John Blake, CNN

(CNN) - Some people wonder if the black church will punish President Barack Obama for announcing support for same-sex marriage.

Here’s another question:

Why would the black church cite scripture to exclude gays when a similar approach to the Bible was used to enslave their ancestors?

“It’s so unfortunate,” says James Cone, one the nation’s most influential black theologians and author of “The Cross and the Lynching Tree.”

“The literal approach to scripture was used to enslave black people,” he says. “I’ve said many times in black churches that the black church is on the wrong side of history on this. It’s so sad because they were on the right side of history in their own struggle.”

Call it historical irony: Black church leaders arguing against same-sex marriage are making some of the same arguments that supporters of slavery made in the 18th and 19th centuries, some historians say. Both groups adopted a literal reading of the Bible to justify withholding basic rights from a particular group.

CNN’s Belief Blog: The faith angles behind the biggest stories

Opposition to gay rights is not the standard position of all black churches. Still, while several predominately white mainline denominations have officially accepted gays and lesbians in various forms, the vast majority of black churches still consider homosexuality a sin.

Black church leaders recently helped lead a successful drive to amend North Carolina’s constitution to ban same-sex marriage. The Rev. Fred Robinson, a black pastor in Charlotte, says most black churchgoers aren’t hypocrites. They take scripture, and sin, seriously.

“Black people are not confused,” Robinson says. “If you look at the scriptures that oppose homosexuality, Old and New Testament, they are clearer cut than the ones people used to justify slavery.”

Yet there are other factors beyond the Bible that shape the black church’s resistance to same-sex marriage.

“It’s more than scripture – it’s history, culture, how we were raised,” says the Rev. Tim McDonald, founder of the African American Ministers Leadership Council.

Some black church leaders are still fighting hard just to persuade straight black couples to marry. Accepting same-sex marriage when so many black households lack a husband and wife makes McDonald uneasy.

“I am not comfortable performing a wedding ceremony of the same sex,” says McDonald, an Obama supporter. “That’s just where I am.”

Some black pastors, however, embrace a literal approach to the Bible not just to exclude gays but to get rid of competition, says Edward Blum, a San Diego State University historian.

Some black pastors cite New Testament passages such as Paul’s demand that women keep silent in churches to argue against black women in the pulpit.

That argument is harder to make when black women’s energy and donations form the backbone of the black church, Blum says, but some still get away with it.

“The biblical literalist reading has kept male leadership in power in a church that is hugely female,” Blum says. “It keeps power in men’s hands.”

The one book that mattered

Black churches also embrace a literal reading of the scripture because of its unique history, says Blum, author of “W.E.B. DuBois, American Prophet.”

During slavery and segregation, many blacks saw the Bible as the one document they could trust. The Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, state and local laws – all found some way to ignore their humanity, Blum says.

The Bible, though, was one book that told them that they weren’t slaves or three-fifths of a person, Blum says.

It said they were children of God.

“Throughout the 18th and 19th century, what document could they trust?” Blum says. “When the Bible says it’s so, it’s something that black people believed they could trust.”

Their enemies, though, used that same veneration of the Bible against them. Slaveholders had a simple but powerful argument when critics challenged them: Trust the Bible.

They cited scriptures such as Ephesians 6:5. (“Slaves, be obedient to those who are your earthly masters, with fear and trembling. ...”) And they said Jesus preached against many sins, but never against slavery.

Since the Bible is infallible, and scripture sanctions slavery, it must be part of God’s order, slaveholders concluded.

“Slavery is everywhere in the Bible,” Blum says. “When Americans who were in favor of slavery defended it with the Bible, they had a treasure trove of clear biblical passages that accepted enslavement.”

Blum says abolitionists found it difficult to mount an effective counterargument. They couldn’t just say trust the Bible. They preached another approach to scriptures.

They said you couldn’t enslave people based on the Golden Rule: Do unto others as you would have them do to you. (Obama cited the Golden Rule and his Christian faith in supporting same-sex marriage).

“The abolitionist turned to the ethics and spirit of the Bible,” Blum says. “They were theological modernists before modernism.”

And what are black clergy and churchgoers today when they cite the Bible to oppose same-sex marriage?

Robinson, the North Carolina pastor, says they’re not homophobes.

“It says in the Bible that homosexuals will not inherit the Kingdom of God,” he says. “How do you explain that one away? A lot of honest Christians are not trying to hate homosexuals. They’re saying that if I take the Bible seriously, I’m not sure I can say it’s right.”

Robinson says that some opposition to homosexuality is actually based in compassion:

“If I’m concerned about your soul, I have to tell you the truth in love.”

Cone, who teaches at Union Theological Seminary in New York City, says black churchgoers opposed to same-sex marriage are instead mimicking their ancestors’ oppressors.

“I tell some people, ‘These people were against you.’ They would have lynched you. How are you going to now join them and help them lynch somebody else?’”

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Barack Obama • Christianity • Culture wars • Gay marriage • Gay rights • Homosexuality • Politics

soundoff (4,348 Responses)
  1. johno

    It is so sad to see that the oppressed who have fought so hard for their own freedom would empower the oppressors to do the same to others.
    It saddens me to see that even those who have had the benefit of the upliftment of knowledge are as ignorant as the mindless clones who would lead us while the real leaders stand in the shadows with glee watching us rattle our tethers of ignorance thinking that because our chains are no longer physical they still have us shackled psychologically.

    We are paying the price for our indolence. we shall pay an even greater price when at last we allow ourselves to be fooled twice.

    Leave people to live their own lives and stop obfuscating their rights to choose. To the many of us who have made our own choices, it would seem that the choice was not one of conviction but expedience. Stop being people’s judges, who died and gave us such authority.

    When all is said and done be careful that in our new found arrogance that we do not hand our selves over again to our tormentors as this time death (not real death) but death will not come easy.

    May 12, 2012 at 11:53 am |
    • Jamie

      Oh man, logic and an intellectual perception.

      Where were people like you all my life?

      May 12, 2012 at 11:54 am |
  2. Religion poisons everything

    Using religion to justify anything (one way or the other) is a ridiculous waste of time. The existence of god doesn't pass the laugh test. Time to move on and think for ourselves.

    May 12, 2012 at 11:52 am |
    • Joe

      Unfortunately there are many people stupid enough to be brainwashed by religion. There is not much we can do but laugh at them and move on.

      May 12, 2012 at 11:54 am |
    • madrep

      CNN must bring up the Religion in the election. The Dems are far too close to losing this election and it's early. Before anyone starts yelling about GOP this and that...I didn't say "WHO" was better, I just said for a President midterm, it's awfully close. If they report on our Presidents record, "WHAT" have they got in the positive direction. This is all smoke and mirrors people...smoke and mirrors.

      May 12, 2012 at 12:00 pm |
    • madrep

      Agreed. The Obama campaign better do something about Biden's run at the mouth problem soon or they will continue to back track all the way to November. Please pick another running mate and may it NOT be another Clinton. I am sooooo sick and tired of hearing about those people. They need to go away.

      May 12, 2012 at 12:03 pm |
    • Gottheball

      You're the one that's good for a laugh. Over the past several hundred years, half the most reknowned scientists in the world have expressed their belief in God. And here you are - a nobody by comparison - telling them and everyone that you know better when, in point of fact, you don't know anything at all. Faith is a delicate human quality where it resides in the heart, not the mind, highly personal and strongly held by many. And those of us that have it and cherish it do so because we see God in the world around us and above us. You don't see Him because you don't look for Him. Because your mind rules you, because you are not at all guided by your heart, you find it easy to dismiss Him as nonexistent even though you cannot explain your existence any other way.

      May 12, 2012 at 12:23 pm |
    • Dance This Mess Around

      Obama coming out for Gay marriage was a stroke of brilliance.
      Romney and company have been back peddling for months about
      Social security, taxes, miidle class and how they seem out of touch
      with the real world.
      The move to the center has started.
      Obama just dropped this right in his lap, and Santorum is screaming
      for Romney to run with it.
      This should be fun.

      May 12, 2012 at 3:14 pm |
  3. clintfort

    I understand why you would think that. I thought the same before I became a Christian. I have hope for you. Peace to you and your family.

    May 12, 2012 at 11:52 am |
    • Ronin

      That's nice. What made you change your mind about religion?

      May 12, 2012 at 11:53 am |
    • Voice of Reason

      Deliberately, diligently and disgusting! You are delusional and wrong.

      May 12, 2012 at 11:59 am |
    • clintfort

      Sorry, I was trying to reply to JesusisNotReal. To answer your question, I shot a non-combatant and watched him bleed to death. Somebody in my past had told me that Jesus paid the price that I deserved for the life I've lived. That made more sense to me than the emptiness of atheism or the warm-fuzziness of American Christianity. It changed my life. I'm not sure that is intellectually-satisfying but that's part of my story.

      May 12, 2012 at 12:02 pm |
    • Gottheball

      Pay no attention to Voice. He's a bitter miscreant with no friends. He returns your good will with a slap in the face. Who needs people like this in their lives?

      May 12, 2012 at 12:38 pm |
  4. Eroc

    Live how you want, and allow others to have that same right. Otherwise you are a self righteous fool. Open you minds!

    May 12, 2012 at 11:51 am |
    • Gottheball

      Live how we want? Uh, aren't there laws, civil and scriptural, telling us what we are to do and what we are not to do? Sorry, there has never been a society that has been free to do as it pleased. Human beings need rules in case you haven't figured that out. Or perhaps you don't care if pedophiles abuse kids. After all, they're living as they want. And that's fine with you, apparently.

      May 12, 2012 at 11:56 am |
    • Voice of Reason

      "Uh, aren't there laws, civil and scriptural"

      No scriptural laws in my world and we're trying to keep it that way.

      May 12, 2012 at 11:58 am |
    • edwardo

      Always comforting to see "Voice of Reason" on here. I am a big fan of Voice of Reason... He/she is spot on, on every comment posted.

      May 12, 2012 at 12:02 pm |
    • Gottheball

      Sorry, Voice, but many civil are taken directly from scripture. Let me think - ah, yes...here's one. Do Not Kill. Perhaps you've heard of it. Now, last time I checked, it's on the books. Gee, Voice, guess you do allow scriptural laws into your life. How about that. You know, you're not too bright. And if others follow you around, they're not too bright, either.

      May 12, 2012 at 12:35 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      @Gottheball

      I am not going to debate someone who believes that our species morality is based on spiritual dogma. Why? Because you have presupposed your position to be absolute without any regard for rational thinking. You do not allow yourself to think. There are species of animals that display more reasonable behavior than you do and they don't have a god, do they?

      May 12, 2012 at 2:12 pm |
    • JKhur

      Do not kill is not taken from Scripture. There were laws against murder in both Isrealite and other human socieites long before the 10 commandments. The 10 commandments are based on existing secular laws and gave those pre-existing laws an added religious component but those laws did not and do not troday depend on the existance of the 10 commandments for their secular base or applicability to the functioning of a society.

      May 12, 2012 at 6:23 pm |
  5. puckles

    a

    May 12, 2012 at 11:51 am |
  6. mikeohhh

    isn't the article about Black hypocricy? There are no comments about that.
    And yes, Blacks are being hypocritical. If it was left up to the majority in N.Carolina, blacks would still be slaves.
    You'd think Blacks would be more supportive of civil rights for Gay Americans.

    May 12, 2012 at 11:49 am |
    • edwardo

      How quickly the oppressed become the oppressors!

      May 12, 2012 at 11:52 am |
    • Voice of Reason

      The article on face value is about blacks rejection of empathy but the deeper point is morality and religion and how derogatory and debilitating it is for our species.

      May 12, 2012 at 11:56 am |
    • Son of the South

      "If it was left up to the majority in North Carolina, blacks would still be slaves..." Whoa, buddy. That is one broad-brush, baseless statement if I ever heard one. Have you ever been to North Carolina? For that matter, have you ever been south of the Mason-Dixon line and the Ohio River. You are patently wrong on so many levels. I have been all over the South, have lived in the Border South all my life, and I know that we (for a fact) do not wish to bring back this evil on either the Blacks or ourselves. It would be folly in it's greatest form. Before making an emotional statement, find out a little something about the people you purport to know about.

      May 12, 2012 at 12:06 pm |
  7. Terminatus

    I think it's cute that the atheists among us want us all to deny any existence of God, however provide no proof of his absence. NEWS FLASH: Science, and humanistic philosophies have not proved that God doesn't exist, but nice try. Frankly, the universe is too grand and too beyond our understanding for any person, sect, or authority to claim that God doesn't exist. What a ridiculous premise. Honestly, atheists tend to be the most bitter, most cynical, most hateful losers one could meet....any wonder why they don't believe in a loving god? lol

    May 12, 2012 at 11:49 am |
    • Joe

      Really? This is your argument? Christians have to be the most ignorant and stupid people in this world. Prove to me that ghosts, santa claus, the easter bunny, unicorns, and the flying spaghetti monster do not exist. You cant? Well then those are all just as real as your "god".

      May 12, 2012 at 11:52 am |
    • Ronin

      So your logic is, because the universe is too big for your brain to comprehend some invisible man must have done it? The problem with believing in God is there is no proof. The people making the claim of God must be the ones to provide proof. I could say God is a gay black blind hippy but without any proof, my claim is just as ridiculous as yours.

      May 12, 2012 at 11:53 am |
    • Voice of Reason

      Your argument doesn't hold any water. You have debased yourself of any forward movement towards the truth and reality of our existence. What your intolerant mind lands on is unproven but you still hold on to a belief that is so outdated it is ludicrous. If it wasn't for pioneers in science you probably would have some terrible life-threatening disease right now. Use your brain and fill in the gaps. It's not a god for sure.

      May 12, 2012 at 11:53 am |
    • edwardo

      I'll prove your god doesn't exist, as soon as you prove my magical, invisible, pink unicorn doesn't exist. The burden of proof is on you!

      May 12, 2012 at 11:54 am |
    • Adam

      Prove he does. If you're going to withhold rights to a minority, the burden of proof is on you.

      May 12, 2012 at 11:56 am |
    • SusieKJ

      You're correct, there is no "proof" that a god doesn't exist, just as there is no proof that a god does exist. But here's the real difference between atheists and theists. If real (and I mean real, not christian faith "real") proof came about that a god exists, atheists would become believers. If the same real proof came about that a god does not exist, theists would continue to believe anyway.

      May 12, 2012 at 11:59 am |
    • Terminatus

      If you claim yourself as an atheist, then you better be prepared to defend that position with evidence. Christians rely on faith, and not evidence. For a Christian, evidence is not needed. See how that works? Christians do not set out to prove the existence of God, but conversely, an atheist sets to prove he doesn't exist. Atheists must therefore provide evidence of God's non-existence before they start calling people stupid. Lol. Here's what I know...the universe is an amazing and fully incomprehensible place. You and I will never hope to understand its creation in our lifetimes. But whereas I will die with a hope and faith of another existence, you simply vanish without knowing–yikes, what a horrible fate. Peace..

      May 12, 2012 at 12:00 pm |
    • Eric G

      As an atheist, I would ask that you research the phrase "burden of proof". In summary, the burden of proof is the responsibility of those making a claim. The reason I deny your hypothesis that a god exists is because no verifiable evidence has ever been submitted that satisfies the inherent burden of proof of the claim.

      As an atheist, I welcome any verifiable evidence that you can provide to support your hypothesis. Please be aware that your evidence will be subject to the same scrutiny and verification process required to prove any other hypothesis.

      I anxiously await your evidencial support. Have a great day!

      May 12, 2012 at 12:01 pm |
    • seyedibar

      I suppose by your logic that Santa Claus must be real. And Batman.

      May 12, 2012 at 12:09 pm |
    • Dance This Mess Around

      Let me get this right.
      There is a God, and he created everything.
      Right, so far ?
      Good.
      Who created God ?
      Please spare me the silly answer that he was just always here.
      Just answer the qquestion....
      Who created God ?
      I have a pretty good idea.

      May 12, 2012 at 3:23 pm |
  8. Rainer Braendlein

    Don't get consumed by your lust, but wait for the wife, which God has predetermined for you. You don't trust the Lord, the Eternal God, which has made heaven and earth? Shame on you!

    Every sin is an act against the principle of love towards God and the neighbour. Actually God has predetermined a certain wife for nearly every man. A single pious man should wait for his predetermined wife in abstinence up to the day, when he encounters his wife and marries her. A gay man is a man, which has totally lost the control of his body. A gay man is a man, which is totally controlled by the lust of his body to this extent that he even desires men. This is the total denial of the love to his future wife, which God actually wanted to give him and the total denial of the belief in God's love, who wanted to support him with a wife. If we answer God's love with total lechery, we sin. Sin is the opposite of love towards God and the neighbour. Yet, dear gay, exactly for such a sinner like you God delivered his beloved Son. Should not this convince you of God's love, who wants to take care of you and to give you a wife and everthing else, which you need?

    The verses of the Bible against ho-mos-exuality are meant verbatim. Yet today in the concrete handling of certain cases patience must be applied.

    We can imply that yet at Moses' time a gay man was not stoned immediately, but exhorted several times, before he was punished. If someone repented, he was forgiven and admitted again into the community of God's Chosen People.

    The equivalent of stoning at Moses' time is the exclusion from the Church (the Church is the successor of God's Chosen People) today, if a church member is not ready to repent from a heavy sin. The exclusion takes place first after at least three attempts of rebuke (by a singel church member, by several church members and by the whole congregation). Like stoning the exclusion from the Church can lead to the total destruction of the body of the church member in the worst case. A church member outside the Church has got no protection against evil powers.

    Basically a ho-mose-xual person can not remain in the Church. If he or she wants to remain in the Church, he or she has to repent. The Church is a place, where sinners can be cured from their maladies or where are people, which are already cured.

    Every true Christian is always aware of his own sinfulness and knows that he overcomes his sinful body only by God's Grace in Jesus. Hence, a Christian will not judge sinners, but offer the gospel of restoration towards them. In the Church there are people (sinners), which have accepted God's salutary Grace. If someone rejects God's offer of healing, he should stay outside the Church.

    If my workmate, classmate, neighbour, etc. outside the Church is a gay, I don't have to judge him, but treat him friendly offering the gospel by word and practical love.

    The only problem is, when gays want to be church members, without abandoning their sin by the releasing Grace of Jesus. This cannot be accepted, because the Church is the proper place, where are people, which are reconciled with God. Someone, who keeps on sinning, is not reconciled with God and doesn't belong to the Church.

    May 12, 2012 at 11:49 am |
    • edwardo

      Did you leave any kool aid for the rest of us. You're psychotic.

      May 12, 2012 at 11:54 am |
    • johno

      What scriptue are you quoting? I have never heard or read these words before...

      May 12, 2012 at 12:01 pm |
    • longtooth

      You have a right to your beliefs. I was raised in the church, but could not accept that words written by men 2,000 years ago are the indisputable words of God. You are a slave to a book, just as atheists are slaves to their cynicism. Not accepting gay people would be no different than not accepting tall people, if the Bible told you so.

      May 12, 2012 at 12:04 pm |
      • Rainer Braendlein

        If I had a gay workmate, I would treat him friendly, because by my kindness I would underline the gospel of God's salutary Grace.

        It is only that they cannot be allowed to be church members and moreover gayness should not be legalized by the state. If the state allows gay marriage, the state legalizes a bit gayness, which is forbidden by God.

        We live in a time of Grace and God gives us opportunity to repent from any sin. At Judgement Day we can no more repent.

        May 12, 2012 at 12:23 pm |
    • Dance This Mess Around

      Rainer, dont be scared of the man standing behind you,
      he is going to help you.
      Just roll up your sleeve, this wont hurt.

      May 12, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
  9. Glenn

    There is no God.

    May 12, 2012 at 11:48 am |
    • Terminatus

      Prove it Glenn. Provide your evidence for such a bold take on the nature of our universe. lol

      May 12, 2012 at 11:50 am |
    • Joe

      Obviously there is no god, but there are people stupid enough to believe in one.

      May 12, 2012 at 11:50 am |
    • Ken

      Prove that God doesn't exist. Oh that's right ... you can't. Why? Because there is a God.

      May 12, 2012 at 11:57 am |
    • dave z

      Glenn is just being silly. That is a line from the movie Caddieshack...

      May 12, 2012 at 11:57 am |
    • longtooth

      As you know, it's impossible to logically prove a negative.

      May 12, 2012 at 12:05 pm |
    • vidal808

      if you will my dear friend, there is an universal conciousnes that directs the show – call it God or whatever you like. if you open your mind, you will notice that you are part of it aswell as everyone and everything else is on this creation. Smell the flowers and look around you with open eyes, you may see it yourself one day. Ignorance is part of the conciousnes aswell – so there we go, marriage equality is an expansion not a retraction.... Blacks and whites and yellow, all are the same.....

      May 12, 2012 at 12:09 pm |
    • seyedibar

      Clearly there is no god, but how do we contend with the less intelligent among us who want to destroy civilization to create their theocracy?

      May 12, 2012 at 12:10 pm |
    • Rachell

      TIde comes in, tide goes out – there's no miscommunication.

      LOL

      May 12, 2012 at 12:43 pm |
    • Dance This Mess Around

      If there is a God, he is flawed.
      Why you say ?
      Because everything he creates..........Dies.

      Thank you George Carlin RIP.

      May 12, 2012 at 3:26 pm |
  10. Joe

    The real problem here is our education system. Clearly some people are being so poorly educated that they can be brainwashed into believing in some ridiculous "god" and a religion created by man to control and manipulate people. The enemy here is stupidity, and christianity is simply the result of that stupidity.

    May 12, 2012 at 11:46 am |
    • Terminatus

      I feel sorry for you Joe. The problem lies with people like you that would turn away from hope, love, and compassion. In your zeal to call out believers as idiots, you become the very thing you hate the most...a brainwashed fool.

      May 12, 2012 at 11:52 am |
    • Ronin

      Joe, I sadly agree with you on this one. America is just too stupid for its own good. And Terminatus, saying you believe in God makes you loving, nice, and caring is just ridiculous. Saying because you are nice because you are a Christian is like saying I am intelligent because I am an Atheist. We both know dumb Atheists and we both know tons and tons of Christians who have murdered, lynched, beaten, assaulted, and harassed other people.

      May 12, 2012 at 11:57 am |
    • Joe

      I, unlike you bigoted, hateful, christians, have hope, love and compassion. Those are not christian ideals. Christianity stands for hate, murder, bigotry, intolerance, and hypocrisy.

      May 12, 2012 at 11:58 am |
    • Adam

      Terminatus, it is so-called Christians who are against hope, love and compassion. That's why they're denying rights to a minority. That, and they're morons.

      May 12, 2012 at 11:59 am |
    • Dance This Mess Around

      **** Terminatus

      I feel sorry for you Joe. The problem lies with people like you that would turn away from hope, love, and compassion.
      ---------------------------------------------------–

      Sorry terminatus, you can have hope, love and compassion without religion.
      Fail.

      May 12, 2012 at 3:29 pm |
  11. jhawkins6

    EVERYONE PLEASE READ THIS: Slavery in the Bible that Paul refers to was NOTHING like the slavery in Colonial America. First, slavery in the Bible was not perpetual. It was an indentured servitude. People sold themselves to be slaves in order to pay off debts. At the conclusion of 7 years, they were to be set free according to the law of Jubilee. This is the system that God set up and that Paul sanctioned. A system of indentured servitude to pay off debts, NOT a lifetime slavery system based on race. I can't stand that people don't want to take a few minutes to learn what the slavery system in the Bible was before they use it as a weapon against the Bible. It makes them look very very ignorant. I saw this not to try to convert anyone to Christianity but to show them the truth about slavery in the Bible. Look it up for yourself if you don't believe me.

    May 12, 2012 at 11:46 am |
    • Joe

      So you think indentured servitude is fine? You christians never cease to amaze me with your bigotry and stupidity.

      May 12, 2012 at 11:48 am |
    • edwardo

      wow... now you're trying to find a way to down play slavery. Hmmm.. wonder how you'll come up with a way to down play the murders and torture your god inflicted on humanity.

      May 12, 2012 at 11:57 am |
    • jhawkins6

      What's the alternative in that society? Sit and rot in jail until the "debt gets payed?" I mean seriously would you rather do that? Debts have to be paid and most societies took that serious but today we have become so lazy that we don't want to pay for/take responsibility for anything. Is there a noble and humane way to implement indentured servitude (a.k.a. contract work) ? Absolutely. Are there many many many people who used it in an evil manner? No doubt. Indentured servants could not be sold around and their families were forbidden to be split up. In fact many of them still lived in their same homes until they paid off their debts. Kinda sounds like going to work, doesn't it?

      May 12, 2012 at 12:05 pm |
    • Dance This Mess Around

      The slavery in colonial America.
      Ships owned by white companys sail to the African coast and purchased black slaves
      from black slavers.
      They didnt run around catching them.
      Slavery was horrible, but there is more than one culprit here.
      Today it has been replaced with financial slavery, and whites should be happy,
      they are included.

      May 12, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
  12. SusieKJ

    “It’s more than scripture – it’s history, culture, how we were raised,” says the Rev. Tim McDonald, founder of the African American Ministers Leadership Council.

    - Does he not realize he sounds exactly like generations of slaveowners?

    May 12, 2012 at 11:46 am |
  13. n8362

    Imposing your religious superstition on others is immoral.

    You do not believe in religion because you honestly think it is true, you believe in it because you fear mortality or are seeking meaning in your life. It does not take a genius to figure out all religion is man made, so for humanity's sake, please stop lying to yourself.

    Deluding yourself in religion does not change reality. Lying to yourself is probably the worst possible way to try to find meaning.

    May 12, 2012 at 11:46 am |
    • Joe

      Dont bother presenting a reasonable and logical argument to christians. They clearly choose to believe fairy tales to make themselves feel better. Their ignorance wont be changed, just let them live their silly lives believing in nonsense.

      May 12, 2012 at 11:50 am |
    • P R

      I could find support in the Bible pro or con on any subject. Just read it carefully and one can use it to prove anything you want even that the earth is flat and it is the center of the universe or to kill your children or the use of violence even killing to accomplish "good" things

      May 12, 2012 at 11:52 am |
  14. Georgia Wright

    If the Black Church is going to be a hipocrite and practice Lev. 18 v 22 then why stop there; why not go back to the parts of the Bible that says we should remain slaves to our Masters. The church has as many gay people and Pastors (undercover) as the secular world. we only cover it up with parts of the Bible that we favor. We as black people should stop covering up what we know to be part of society and deal with reality so we can help our people come into the Kingdon of God. There is one God, one heaven and christians do not have the monopoly of who God accepts in His Kingdom.

    May 12, 2012 at 11:46 am |
  15. P R

    I could find support in the Bible pro or con on any subject. Just read it carefully and one can use it to prove anything you want even that the earth is flat and it is the center of the universe or to kill your children or the use of violence even killing to accomplish "good" things.

    May 12, 2012 at 11:46 am |
  16. Mary

    Everyone knows in their own heart it is not right to discriminate against anyone. The Bible may have been inspired by God but it was written by men. Thus the Bible is flawed. The law of reciprocity appears in all the major religions because it is a universal truth. In the Christian religion it is called the Golden Rule – Do onto others as you would have them do onto you. I always taught my children if you look at any situation from the other person's perspective you will probably come up with the right solution. We all know that we should allow gay people to marry. We know it. Some are still to proud to admit they are wrong. But in time they will change because it is the right thing to do.

    May 12, 2012 at 11:45 am |
  17. eroteme

    There should be no concern. The Democrat party has African-American votes guaranteed. The Democrat party will get this support no matter what the issues might be, now and continuing in the forseeable future.

    May 12, 2012 at 11:44 am |
    • Greg

      The Democrats DO have the African-American community base locked down. Butr you know who else they have locked down? ANYONE of ANY color who has recently fallen in their loss of foundation and security due to the recent economic crisis. Loss of job in which you can;'t find another job etc.... Previous hardline Republican supporters will immediately switch parties once they've experienced the hardships for themselves, realized it is through no fault of their own and now have to face the very bed they made by supporting Republican policies.
      Those of you that are still solvent and have something to lose? Your day is coming adn you cannot stop it. You better realize that you WILL be sitting on the curb with the rest of us soon! And we'll remember the criticism and the political policies you supported.
      THAT alone makes Republican supporters the MOST VULNERABLE people in this country!! They believe they are better than most and are immune to the hardships brought on by the economy. Their beliefs will soon be shattered. But for now they are absolutely the most naive ignorant thoughtless individuals in this country. Classes are on the way!

      May 12, 2012 at 12:00 pm |
    • lewis orr

      You broke it down plain and simple!

      May 12, 2012 at 12:17 pm |
  18. Rick

    If we have learned anything from our own past, it is that we must learn to protect the rights of free speech as well as minority groups in our country. Fail to learn this lesson and you will some day end up on the wrong side of power.

    I am disappointed by the rhetoric I have read concerning people of faith on this forum. It does a great disservice to those who seek rights for LGBT issues. One can be opposed to religious belief without spewing hatred towards people of faith. At the same time, one can be opposed to religiously sanctioned gay marriage, support the civil rights of LGBT people (including state sanctioned unions), yet not agree with the practice. We disagree with people on a daily basis and do so amicably.

    We are a diverse society and we must find a way to live in peace. This begins not by crushing the opposition, but by respecting the rights of others. The golden rule is indeed in order here.

    May 12, 2012 at 11:44 am |
  19. Dan

    "I tell some people, ‘These people were against you.’ They would have lynched you. How are you going to now join them and help them lynch somebody else?’”

    Opposing something on moral grounds is a lot different than lynching them. What a ridiculous comparison. I think lying is morally wrong, but I don't want to lynch people who lie. To compare the two is irresponsible, divisive, and inflammatory.

    May 12, 2012 at 11:44 am |
    • Adam

      Rights, you're just changing the law to deny people rights.

      May 12, 2012 at 12:01 pm |
  20. RealGlaird

    I love it when non Christians attempt to interpret scripture. The Bible never authorized slavery. The letters that mention the practice simply acknowledge that that was the historical state of being, at the time those letters were written. All through history there have been wackos that turn to scripture to justify their behavior. Does Mr. Blake believe National Socialism and genocide are authorized by scripture because Adolf Hitler used the Bible to justify his behavior?
    Scripture is very very specific. Deep affection, companionship, or life long friendships between any two people is acknowledged and even encouraged. In the Books of Samuel, there is a prime example of two very close friends, Jonathan the son of King Saul and the future King David. What the Bible specifically prohibits, between same gender and opposite gender outside of marriage is a physical relationship.

    May 12, 2012 at 11:43 am |
    • JesusIsNotReal

      " The Bible never authorized slavery." – oh your knowledge of the bible is so poor.. GO read some Exodus ...

      May 12, 2012 at 11:46 am |
    • ThinkHarder

      and non-Christians love it even more when Christians try to interpret scripture.

      May 12, 2012 at 12:18 pm |
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