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Evangelical leader Tony Perkins knocks Rand Paul's 'gay' remark
Family Research Council President Tony Perkins says the issue of same-sex marriage is not "a laughing matter."
May 14th, 2012
03:09 PM ET

Evangelical leader Tony Perkins knocks Rand Paul's 'gay' remark

By Becky Perlow, CNN

Washington (CNN) - You may disagree with it, but you shouldn’t make fun of it.

That’s what conservative Family Research Council president Tony Perkins told CBS’s "Face the Nation" on Sunday about U.S. Sen. Rand Paul’s arguably derogatory use of the term “gay.”

“The president, you know, recently weighed in on marriage,” Paul, a Kentucky Republican, remarked to the Iowa Faith and Freedom Coalition, a conservative group, on Friday. “And, you know, he said that his views were evolving on marriage. And call me cynical, but I wasn’t sure that his views on marriage could get any gayer.”

The audience burst into a laughter that echoed all the way to the Sunday talk show tables, where opposing sides weighed in, from gay rights activist and singer Clay Aiken to Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus.

But Perkins’criticism of Paul’s comments was noteworthy because Perkins is one of the nation’s best-known opponents of same-sex marriage and of gay rights more broadly.

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Condemning Paul’s remarks on Sunday, Perkins said the debate over homosexuality and same-sex marriage is not “a laughing matter.”

“I don’t think this is something we should joke about,” Perkins said on "Face the Nation." “We are talking about individuals who feel very strongly one way or the other, and I think we should be civil, respectful, allowing all sides to have the debate.”

While Perkins’ comments caught many by surprise, Aaron McQuade, director of news and field media for the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, said he doesn’t believe Perkins was defending the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community.

“I think he was saying that he takes this issue so seriously that it’s not okay to make light of it, even if you also oppose it the way he does,” McQuade said in a phone interview.

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“This is not a man who represents the 40-whatever percent of the country that does not support marriage equality,” McQuade said. “This is a man who represents a tiny, tiny, fraction of Americans who believes, as he does, that gay people have an emptiness within them. That they are abnormal.”

The Family Research Council did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Monday.

McQuade also said it was hard to tell what Paul meant by using the word “gayer.” “If that same comment was made by someone with a more pro-LGBT history, it likely would not be taken negatively,” he said.

On CNN’s "State of the Union" on Sunday, Perkins told chief political correspondent Candy Crowley that opposition to same-sex marriage shouldn’t be the “central point” of presumptive Republican nominee Mitt Romney’s campaign. But Perkins also admitted frustration with Capitol Hill Republicans who are portraying the issue as a political distraction.

“Defending the family, the cornerstone of civilization, is not a distraction,” he said, while stressing that the economy and jobs are also key issues in this election. “It should be a priority, and it should be a part of what Mitt Romney talks about.”

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

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  1. WillieLove

    But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the Lord exceedingly. Genesis 13:13

    And the Lord said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous. Genesis 18:20

    Then the Lord rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven; And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground. Genesis 19:24-25

    May 15, 2012 at 12:09 am |
    • Cq

      The men of Sodom wanted to force themselves on the "men" Lot was protecting. Nobody is defending $exual assault of any form. We're talking about consensual relationships between adults here, nothing more.

      May 15, 2012 at 12:59 am |
    • danielwalldammit

      All quite irrelevant, which you would know if you actually gave a damn!

      May 15, 2012 at 3:26 am |
    • YeahRight

      "But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the Lord exceedingly."

      It might help if you actually read Ezekiel regarding the sins of Sodom and Gomorrah. Since when is rape equal to being gay. That scripture has nothing to do with what we now know and understand about gays today. Only prejudice bigoted Christians cherry pick their bible that way.

      May 15, 2012 at 11:03 am |
    • HS

      Matthew 7:15-20 comes to mind when non-believers listen to twisted scriptures.

      May 15, 2012 at 5:49 pm |
    • just sayin

      UM the lesbian HeavenSent comes to mind when i see HS post. God Bless

      May 15, 2012 at 5:51 pm |
  2. WillieLove

    You will find in the Bible that the Sodomites flourished under the reign of the wicked kings and they were removed by the good kings–
    1. Asa-And Asa did that which was right in the eyes of the Lord, as did David his father.
    And he took away the sodomites out of the land, and removed all the idols that his fathers had made.I Kings 14:11-12
    2. Jehoshaphat–"And he walked in all the ways of Asa his father; he turned not asidefrom it, doing that which was right in the eyes of the Lord. . .
    "And the remnant of the Sodomites, which remained in the days of his father Asa, he took out of the land. I Kings 22:43a,46
    3. Josih–And he brake down the houses of the sodomites, that were by the house of the Lord, where the women wove hangingsfor the grove. II Kings 23:7

    I

    May 15, 2012 at 12:07 am |
    • danielwalldammit

      None of which makes any difference at all.

      May 15, 2012 at 3:29 am |
  3. WillieLove

    And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly.
    II Peter 2:6

    If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
    Leviticus 20:13

    May 15, 2012 at 12:06 am |
    • YeahRight

      Wow you really don't understand your bible do you. Lev. is part of the holy code and Christians don't follow it today. In that same scripture it states a woman must marry her rapist. Are you going to enforce that one too? LMAO! By the way there are many abominations in the bible. Unclean things (Lev. 7:21) ; Cheating (Mic. 6:10) ; A proud look (Pro. 6:16-17) ; A lying tongue (Pro. 6:17; 12:22) ; Hands that shed innocent blood ((Pro. 6:17) ; A wicked scheming heart (Pro. 6:18) ; A false witness that speaks lies (Pro. 6:19) ; A sower of discord (Pro. 6:19) ; A false balance or scale (Pro. 11:1) ; The proud of heart (Pro. 16:5) ; Justifying the wicked (Pro. 17:15) ; Condemning the just (Pro. 17:15) ; Refusing to hear the law (Pro. 28:9) ; Wearing clothes of the opposite sex (Dt. 22:5) Re-marriage of former companions (Dt. 24:1-4) ; Cheating others (Dt. 25:13-16) ; Making images/idols (Dt. 27:15) ; Eating unclean things (Isa. 66:17) ; Robbery (Ezek. 18: 6-13) ; Murder (Ezek. 18: 6-13) ; Adultery (Ezek. 18: 6-13) ; Oppression of others, particularly the poor or vulnerable (Ezek. 18: 6-13) ; Violence (Ezek. 18: 6-13) ; Breaking vows (Ezek. 18: 6-13) ; Lending with interest to a brother (Ezek. 18: 6-13) ; Lying with a menstruous woman (Ezek. 18: 6-13).

      Are you going to try and deny peoples civil rights over these abominations too? What a hypocrite.

      May 15, 2012 at 11:05 am |
    • HS

      Yeah right, and just whom do you think were the rapists of the time?

      May 15, 2012 at 5:51 pm |
    • just sayin

      HS

      Yeah right, and just whom do you think were the rapists of the time?

      --

      Yeah right, like your assumption has any basis of fact or truth.

      May 15, 2012 at 5:55 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      just sayin, did someone do something to your cornflakes yesterday morning? Unrighteous folks was my answer. U noticed that your nose got out of joint. LOL.

      May 16, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
  4. WillieLove

    The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God. Deuteronomy 22:5

    The shew of their countenance doth witness against them; and they declare their sin as Sodom, they hide it not. Woe unto their soul! for they have rewarded evil unto themselves. Isaiah 3:9

    May 15, 2012 at 12:05 am |
  5. Reality

    ONLY FOR THE NEWCOMERS––>>>>>>>>>>

    "Abrahamics" believe that their god created all of us and of course that includes the g-ay members of the human race. Also, those who have studied ho-mo-se-xuality have determined that there is no choice involved therefore ga-ys are ga-y because god made them that way.

    To wit:

    o The Royal College of Psy-chiatrists stated in 2007:

    “ Despite almost a century of psy-choanalytic and psy-chological speculation, there is no substantive evidence to support the suggestion that the nature of parenting or early childhood experiences play any role in the formation of a person’s fundamental heteros-exual or hom-ose-xual orientation. It would appear that s-exual orientation is biological in nature, determined by a complex interplay of ge-netic factors and the early ut-erine environment. Se-xual orientation is therefore not a choice.[60] "

    "Garcia-Falgueras and Swaab state in the abstract of their 2010 study, "The fe-tal brain develops during the intraut-erine period in the male direction through a direct action of tes-tosterone on the developing nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hor-mone surge. In this way, our gender identi-ty (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) and s-exual orientation are programmed or organized into our brain structures when we are still in the womb. There is no indication that social environment after birth has an effect on gender ident–ity or s-exual orientation."[8

    See also the Philadelphia Inquirer review “Gay Gene, Deconstructed”, 12/12/2011. Said review addresses the following “How do genes associated with ho-mose-xuality avoid being weeded out by Darwinian evolution?”

    Of course, those gays who belong to Abrahamic religions are supposed to obey the rules of no adu-ltery or for-nication allowed.

    And because of basic biology differences said monogamous ventures should always be called same-s-ex unions not same-s-ex marriages.

    From below, on top, backwards, forwards, from this side of the Moon and from the other side too, gay se-xual activity is still mutual masturbation caused by one or more complex se-xual differences. Some differences are visually obvious in for example the complex maleness of DeGeneres, Billy Jean King and Rosie O'Donnell.

    Yes, heteros-exuals practice many of the same "moves" but there is never a doubt who is the female and who is the male.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    -----------------------------------------------------

    May 15, 2012 at 12:05 am |
  6. WillieLove

    Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination
    Leviticus 18:22

    May 15, 2012 at 12:05 am |
    • danielwalldammit

      Don't eat any shellfish!

      May 15, 2012 at 3:30 am |
    • YeahRight

      Again Lev. is part of the Holy Code and Christians don't follow that scriptures today, unless of course you want a woman to have to marry her rapist. Cherry picking the bible the way you do makes you look like an idiot.

      May 15, 2012 at 11:06 am |
    • HS

      Eating any of the scavengers is not a sin against God. Jesus is telling us it's not good for our bodies.

      May 15, 2012 at 5:53 pm |
    • HS

      YeahRight, Jesus is telling Christians that follow His truth what not to do.

      May 15, 2012 at 5:54 pm |
    • just sayin

      Sorry HS but you have no credible basis or evidence to your statements

      May 15, 2012 at 5:56 pm |
    • HS

      F U just sayin

      May 15, 2012 at 5:57 pm |
    • HS

      YeahRight, you're so off on how you perceive scriptures. Jesus teaches all truths about life and the hereafter. Each teaching has a subject, content, righteous (if one abides in His truth) or unrighteous (if one does NOT abide in His truth) outcomes.

      I guess it's you non-believers that do the cherry picking.

      Amen.

      May 15, 2012 at 5:58 pm |
    • HS

      Oh, my original handle gets blocked. Therefore, I opt for HS and the phony non-believer steals that handle too writing perversion. Believe me phony, if you met me in person you wouldn't have the gutts to insult me in the flesh. Coward;

      May 15, 2012 at 6:00 pm |
    • HS

      I am a proud Christian and lesbian.

      Amen.

      May 15, 2012 at 6:00 pm |
    • HS

      Phony HS, I would whip your @ ss in person.

      May 15, 2012 at 6:01 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Phony heavensent, do you think you'll get to the level of spiritual thinking?

      May 16, 2012 at 2:35 pm |
  7. Chad

    “I don’t think this is something we should joke about,” Perkins said on "Face the Nation." “We are talking about individuals who feel very strongly one way or the other, and I think we should be civil, respectful, allowing all sides to have the debate.”

    well said Tony!!!

    May 14, 2012 at 10:43 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Ahahhahhha!@ Chad, you wouldn't know respectful debate if it bit you in the balls you don't have.

      May 14, 2012 at 10:50 pm |
    • TL

      @TTPS

      Take responsibility for your method

      May 14, 2012 at 11:28 pm |
  8. WHITE AND PROUD

    I HOPE WHEN ROMNEY GETS ELECTED AND GETS THAT DARKIE OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE HE BRINGS BACK SLAVERY

    May 14, 2012 at 9:46 pm |
    • Hellbound

      Wow...do the world a favor and blow your brains out, its apparent that they are worthless.

      May 14, 2012 at 9:55 pm |
    • HS

      Hellbound, if you think that any of us believe those are real posts from real people, get a grip will ya?

      May 15, 2012 at 6:04 pm |
  9. WWJD

    ATHEISTS UNWITTINGLY OBEY SATAN

    Few 100% true Reasons why Atheism is TERRIBLE and unhealthy for our children and living things:

    † Atheism is a religion that makes you stupid, ignorant & blind.
    † Atheism is a disease that needs to be treated.
    † Atheism makes you post stupid things (90% of silly comments here on CNN blogs are posted by closet Atheists)
    † Atheist are satanic and have gothic lifestyle.
    † Atheists causes problem in our religious society.
    † Atheists are mentally ill, that's why they have no faith.
    † Atheism won't take you to kingdom of heaven and paradise.
    † Atheism making you agree with Stalin, Hitler (Denied his faith later), Mao, Pol Pot & other terrible mass murder leaders.
    † No traditional family lifestyle, no holidays, no culture, boring and feeling 'outsider'
    † Atheists are angry, drug additcted and committ the most crime.
    † Atheist try to convert people over internet because they feel "safer" behind closet.
    † Atheists do not really exist, they just pretend that they don't believe in God and argue with religious people.
    † Atheists have had terrible life experience, bad childhood and not being loved.
    † Most Atheists are uneducated... No Atheists could run for presidency.
    † Atheism brought upon the French Revolution, one of the most evil events of all of history.
    † Atheism cannot explain the origins of the universe, therefore God exists.
    † All atheists believe in evolution, which means they don't believe in morality and think we should all act like animals.
    † The Bible says atheism is wrong, and the Bible is always right (see: Genesis 1:1, Psalms 14:1, Psalms 19:1, Romans 1:19-20)
    † Countries where Atheism is prevalent has the highest Suicide rate & Communist countries = Atheism!
    **Only 2-3% of the U.S. are Atheists/Agnostics VS. over 90% who believe in God (80% Christians) in the U.S.**

    † † Our Prayers goes to Atheists to be mentally healthy and seek their creator † †

    ATHEISTS WILL BURN IN HELLFIRE AND BRIMSTONE WHERE THEY BELONG AND THEY ALL DESERVE IT AND I CAN'T WAIT TO WATCH FROM ABOVE IN HEAVEN WITH A SMILE WHILE I DANCE ON STREETS OF GOLD WHILE ATHEISTS SKIN BOILS OFF AND THEY CRY LIKE BABIES AND THEIR CHILDREN WILL JOIN THEM

    May 14, 2012 at 9:18 pm |
    • BamaDaniel

      Ain't no atheists in the foxhole

      May 14, 2012 at 9:23 pm |
    • Raf Fak

      Mighty, mighty christian of you.

      May 14, 2012 at 11:18 pm |
    • Jimmy

      lol... all 100% true, huh?

      I'm sure you missed the irony in your celebrating the torture of us atheists as we burn in hell why you call youself WWJD. WWJD? Probably dance on streets of gold as our skin boils, right?

      May 14, 2012 at 11:52 pm |
    • Marty Kay Zee

      Your rant is an actual catalog of almost everything that's wrong in this world. Take a look around you. That's all there is and all you'll get. Try not to die like a dog...

      May 15, 2012 at 12:14 am |
    • evolvedDNA

      WWJD...when you are ready to join the Human race again we are here to help you. I bet that even the christian folks on here cringe at such mind numbingly silly posts as yours....

      May 15, 2012 at 12:49 am |
    • danielwalldammit

      No YOU'RE the one who serves Satan.

      (Good fun, isn't it. I love this game!)

      May 15, 2012 at 5:27 am |
    • YeahRight

      Atheism is a religion that makes you stupid, ignorant & blind. -LIE
      Atheism is a disease that needs to be treated. -LIE
      Atheism makes you post stupid things (90% of silly comments here on CNN blogs are posted by closet Atheists) -LIE
      Atheist are satanic and have gothic lifestyle. -LIE
      Atheists causes problem in our religious society. -LIE
      Atheists are mentally ill, that's why they have no faith. -LIE
      Atheism won't take you to kingdom of heaven and paradise. -LIE
      Atheism making you agree with Stalin, Hitler (Denied his faith later), Mao, Pol Pot & other terrible mass murder leaders. -LIE
      No traditional family lifestyle, no holidays, no culture, boring and feeling 'outsider' -LIE
      Atheists are angry, drug additcted and committ the most crime. -LIE
      Atheist try to convert people over internet because they feel "safer" behind closet. -LIE
      Atheists do not really exist, they just pretend that they don't believe in God and argue with religious people. -LIE
      Atheists have had terrible life experience, bad childhood and not being loved. -LIE
      Most Atheists are uneducated... No Atheists could run for presidency. -LIE
      Atheism brought upon the French Revolution, one of the most evil events of all of history. -LIE
      Atheism cannot explain the origins of the universe, therefore God exists. -LIE
      All atheists believe in evolution, which means they don't believe in morality and think we should all act like animals. -LIE
      The Bible says atheism is wrong, and the Bible is always right (see: Genesis 1:1, Psalms 14:1, Psalms 19:1, Romans 1:19-20) -LIE
      Countries where Atheism is prevalent has the highest Suicide rate & Communist countries = Atheism! -LIE

      It just goes to show that Christians can’t even follow one of the basic Ten Commandments by posting all these lies. What a hypocrite

      May 15, 2012 at 10:37 am |
    • HS

      You forgot how they steal Christians handles to write their nonsense when the discussions get underway and they know they are loosing the debate.

      May 15, 2012 at 6:07 pm |
    • urouttolunch

      I'm pretty sure atheists don't have a monopoly on stupid. Lots of evidence available right here in the neighborhooc

      May 23, 2012 at 6:15 pm |
    • urouttolunch

      oops – that would be "neighborhood"

      May 23, 2012 at 6:18 pm |
  10. Ravensford

    CBS invites Tony Perkins, a hate monger with credentials as a social conservative, onto Face the Nation, plays a film clip from a gathering of Christians in Des Moines of Rand Paul giving a speech and then Bob Schieffer invites Perkins to comment on the clip, at which point Perkins, without hesitation, makes a pompous pronouncement about the subject being too serious for humor. The pronouncement quickly becomes a news story across the country.
    Does this pass the smell test for anybody? If you actually respond to this question, please do not use sarcasm. This subject is too serious to joke about.

    May 14, 2012 at 7:46 pm |
    • danielwalldammit

      It's what counts as news these days.

      May 15, 2012 at 5:28 am |
  11. Voice of Reason

    Who's the leader of the band that's made for you and me? T-O-N Y-P-E R-K-I-N-S

    May 14, 2012 at 6:46 pm |
  12. BamaDaniel

    Egyptian history records Jewish exodus from Egypt is that not histories

    May 14, 2012 at 6:10 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      Do you read any science books? Just curious.

      May 14, 2012 at 6:11 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      site your source. because it doesn't.

      May 14, 2012 at 6:13 pm |
    • BamaDaniel

      Yes lots just curious.why is everything from long ago a myth

      May 14, 2012 at 6:15 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      Well, if you did your reading you would find out that most of the things that were thought to be fact back then just ain't so!

      May 14, 2012 at 6:18 pm |
    • BamaDaniel

      You mean like today

      May 14, 2012 at 6:19 pm |
    • BamaDaniel

      Booty national geographic, ancient archeology mag.(books a mill.)

      May 14, 2012 at 6:21 pm |
    • BamaDaniel

      Voice I said history book partly because it tells how some people lived and what they believed

      May 14, 2012 at 6:25 pm |
    • BamaDaniel

      Voice google science and Bible you might be surprised

      May 14, 2012 at 6:26 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      History books are not infallible, they can be challenged and proven wrong.

      May 14, 2012 at 6:27 pm |
    • BamaDaniel

      Just like science eh

      May 14, 2012 at 6:30 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      Especially science! Science challenges itself daily unlike religious dogma.

      May 14, 2012 at 6:33 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      "For the wicked [man without God] boasts of his heart's desire; he blesses the greedy and renounces the Lord. The wicked in his proud countenance does not seek God; God is in none of his thoughts."

      Psalm 10:3-4

      Amen.

      May 14, 2012 at 7:09 pm |
    • Hellbound

      Why do you post scripture from the bible like it is some sort of truth? Its not profound if anything its dumfounding adults live their lives by it. Quoting the bible proves nothing. It only shows your religions ignorance. The bible is bullsh•t 2000 year old fairytales, always has been always will be. Their are no great truths in the bible, but plenty of contradictions and outright lies.

      May 14, 2012 at 8:02 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Hellbound, Jesus' truth about life and the hereafter (the Bible) is the only reality there is. Man made logic goes back to dust.

      May 16, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
  13. BamaDaniel

    Russ I was raised in a pentecostal church . The Bible as it is written is more about Jesus.but it is not just a religious book. And God said very.little in it most of it is mans work

    May 14, 2012 at 6:07 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      Pentecostal, Muslim, Christianity, etc...all the same crazy s*hit

      May 14, 2012 at 6:09 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      here's a quote from god where he sanctions the murder of children:
      "Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)

      May 14, 2012 at 6:13 pm |
    • Russ

      @ BamaDaniel: I'm not arguing about how your particular brand of Christianity interpreted it. Just read what Jesus said. What is he claiming in Lk.24:27 & 44?

      And, if – as Christians believe – God is the author of Scripture (1 Thess.2:13; 2 Tim.3:16), does that really surprise you?

      May 14, 2012 at 6:19 pm |
    • BamaDaniel

      That wasn't God that was a man saying what he believed he was.crazy

      May 14, 2012 at 6:23 pm |
    • Russ

      @ BamaDaniel: we can have that discussion if you like, but recognize you just shifted gears.
      Before you were making an objection from WITHIN Christianity (Jesus claimed to be God). When I pressed that Jesus clearly claimed the whole Bible was about him, you have shifted to objecting from WITHOUT.
      Do you see, then, that for Christians, Jesus clearly claims the Bible is all about him?

      May 14, 2012 at 6:29 pm |
    • BamaDaniel

      Russ that was for booty not you

      May 14, 2012 at 6:35 pm |
    • a person of the Name

      @ russ: holyness or apostolic?

      May 14, 2012 at 6:36 pm |
    • a person of the Name

      @Bama: Jesus is God.

      May 14, 2012 at 6:40 pm |
    • BamaDaniel

      When Moses went on a giant killing rampage.and I mean he was killing giants that was not about jesus

      May 14, 2012 at 6:40 pm |
    • BamaDaniel

      Jesus said his father was in heaven he never claimed to be El

      May 14, 2012 at 6:43 pm |
    • a person of the Name

      Yes he said he is God. As for the father, God came to Mary though the Spirit, sense God was not flesh he came here as Jesus.
      That's why its said He(Jesus) is fully man and fully God or how about this one the fullness of the godhead is in Him(Jesus).

      May 14, 2012 at 7:02 pm |
    • BamaDaniel

      I thought an angel came to Mary and in the old t Micah else is the spirit of God

      May 14, 2012 at 7:55 pm |
    • a person of the Name

      He did and said she would become pregnant though the Spirit and his name would be??....

      May 14, 2012 at 7:58 pm |
    • BamaDaniel

      Why would the creator need to be born from mortal woman .the Bible says God and Moses walked and talked as friends before Mary was born who was his mother

      May 14, 2012 at 8:00 pm |
    • BamaDaniel

      Else did not tell Mary she would be pregnant oh and the dead sea scrolls say Noah was born the same way

      May 14, 2012 at 8:03 pm |
    • BamaDaniel

      I meant el

      May 14, 2012 at 8:04 pm |
    • a person of the Name

      Because he had to be fully man. Anyone can walk in the Spirit and talk to God, I try to do so everyday.

      May 14, 2012 at 8:37 pm |
    • BamaDaniel

      Moses physically walked with Else not tried to

      May 14, 2012 at 8:42 pm |
    • BamaDaniel

      El damn pred. Text

      May 14, 2012 at 8:44 pm |
  14. Reality

    ONLY FOR THE NEWCOMERS––>>>>>>>>>>

    "Abrahamics" believe that their god created all of us and of course that includes the g-ay members of the human race. Also, those who have studied ho-mo-se-xuality have determined that there is no choice involved therefore ga-ys are ga-y because god made them that way.

    To wit:

    o The Royal College of Psy-chiatrists stated in 2007:

    “ Despite almost a century of psy-choanalytic and psy-chological speculation, there is no substantive evidence to support the suggestion that the nature of parenting or early childhood experiences play any role in the formation of a person’s fundamental heteros-exual or hom-ose-xual orientation. It would appear that s-exual orientation is biological in nature, determined by a complex interplay of ge-netic factors and the early ut-erine environment. Se-xual orientation is therefore not a choice.[60] "

    "Garcia-Falgueras and Swaab state in the abstract of their 2010 study, "The fe-tal brain develops during the intraut-erine period in the male direction through a direct action of tes-tosterone on the developing nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hor-mone surge. In this way, our gender identi-ty (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) and s-exual orientation are programmed or organized into our brain structures when we are still in the womb. There is no indication that social environment after birth has an effect on gender ident–ity or s-exual orientation."[8

    See also the Philadelphia Inquirer review “Gay Gene, Deconstructed”, 12/12/2011. Said review addresses the following “How do genes associated with ho-mose-xuality avoid being weeded out by Darwinian evolution?”

    Of course, those gays who belong to Abrahamic religions are supposed to obey the rules of no adu-ltery or for-nication allowed.

    And because of basic biology differences said monogamous ventures should always be called same-s-ex unions not same-s-ex marriages.

    From below, on top, backwards, forwards, from this side of the Moon and from the other side too, gay se-xual activity is still mutual masturbation caused by one or more complex se-xual differences. Some differences are visually obvious in for example the complex maleness of DeGeneres, Billy Jean King and Rosie O'Donnell.

    Yes, heteros-exuals practice many of the same "moves" but there is never a doubt who is the female and who is the male.

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    May 14, 2012 at 6:01 pm |
  15. BamaDaniel

    Russ Bible isn't just about Jesus thousands of years of history not about Jesus Christians just can't read anything but what their pastor says

    May 14, 2012 at 5:55 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      you would learn more history from reading the introduction in a high school history text book than all of the bible.

      May 14, 2012 at 5:56 pm |
    • BamaDaniel

      Really so homeschool textbooks named constellationa thousands of years ago

      May 14, 2012 at 5:59 pm |
    • Russ

      @ BamaDaniel – don't take my word for it. Here's Jesus in Luke 24 to his disciples:
      27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.
      ...
      44 He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.”

      May 14, 2012 at 5:59 pm |
    • Russ

      @ BamaDaniel: Read Isa.53 (700 years b/f Christ) & Ps.22 (1000 years before Christ). Among many "prophecies" of Christ in the OT.

      May 14, 2012 at 6:00 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "Here's Jesus in Luke 24 to his disciples:
      27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself"

      Every play the telephone game? What's so funny about people quoting this is that they were all written long after Jesus died. If you look back through history we are still sorting out what is myth and truth. The one thing we do know is that the bible isn't an historical document. LOL!

      May 14, 2012 at 6:04 pm |
    • Russ

      @ yeahright: the telephone game – let's think that out. in the telephone game, you're only allowed to whisper, you can't repeat what was said before, and you can't check the old sources. in all cases, that fails.

      1 Cor.15 (written w/in – at most – 20 years of Jesus death): Paul cites MULTIPLE eyewitnesses who still would have been alive. what's he doing? inviting skeptics to check out the eyewitnesses.

      And remember the Dead Sea Scrolls? the telephone game theory pretty much died when they were recovered. those scrolls predated our earliest Hebrew texts by 1000 years – and guess what? they were virtually verbatim what we had a millennium later.

      the telephone game objection has no substance when brought into the light of real scholarship.

      here's a recent, brief overview:
      http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2012/03/21/an-interview-with-daniel-b-wallace-on-the-new-testament-manuscripts/

      May 14, 2012 at 6:17 pm |
    • BamaDaniel

      Russ you proved my point dead sea scrolls contain much more history than Bible yet the Bible comes from them

      May 14, 2012 at 6:29 pm |
    • Russ

      @ BamaDaniel: I think you've misunderstood biblical scholarship. the books within the bible were contained on individual scrolls in the first century AD (when the Qumran group stored the Dead Sea scrolls in the caves). they were not found until the 1940s. the scrolls included many biblical books & many extra-canonical ones.

      the importance to biblical scholarship was the incredible consistency shown in the texts. suddenly we had texts from 1000 years earlier, and they were virtually verbatim – showing the scribes & copyists to be excellent at their craft over a millennium. and showing that the Bible (or at least the OT) had not "changed" in any substantive way.

      May 14, 2012 at 6:35 pm |
    • BamaDaniel

      Russ it still tells about peoples lives long ago that's history.

      May 14, 2012 at 6:48 pm |
    • BamaDaniel

      When it talks about Abrahams daddy moving from Iraq to turkey that is part of his family history not the word of god

      May 14, 2012 at 6:53 pm |
    • Russ

      @ BamaDaniel: I never said it was a-historical. It is historical. But while the Bible gives history, the point is tell the story of redemptive history (the story of how God redeems this broken world). In other words, the point of the Bible is that the main point of history & especially the history of his people is what He is doing in this world. Again, the story is primarily about him – not us.

      May 14, 2012 at 8:47 pm |
    • BamaDaniel

      The multi revised Christian version yes

      May 14, 2012 at 9:11 pm |
    • HS

      Yeah right, who's sorting out what? lol. Do yourself a favor and turn off the history channel.

      May 15, 2012 at 6:10 pm |
  16. lagunabeach

    this guy looks like a closet dick smoker

    May 14, 2012 at 5:49 pm |
    • BamaDaniel

      True

      May 14, 2012 at 5:51 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      a lot of closeted g.ays are extremely h.omophobic.

      May 14, 2012 at 5:57 pm |
    • sam

      He has quite likely soaked a cork or two.

      May 14, 2012 at 7:13 pm |
  17. lagunabeach

    ththththht

    May 14, 2012 at 5:48 pm |
  18. Bootyfunk

    kind of conflicting messages, eh? so you just choose the command you like best?

    May 14, 2012 at 5:43 pm |
    • BamaDaniel

      Pretty much

      May 14, 2012 at 5:46 pm |
    • BamaDaniel

      The Bible isn't one religion. Its more of a history and belief book for people from a certain place. So yes you can pick and choose

      May 14, 2012 at 5:48 pm |
    • Russ

      @ Bootyfunk & BamaDaniel: like I said to you below, no – read it through the cross.
      Christians believe all of Scripture is about Jesus (Lk.24:27, 44; 1 Cor.2:2; etc.).

      [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkNa6tLWrqk&w=640&h=360]

      May 14, 2012 at 5:51 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      what does "read it through the cross" mean? be a brain-washed believer and then read the bible?

      May 14, 2012 at 5:55 pm |
    • Russ

      @ bootyfunk: can you see the video? that'll give you the succinct answer.

      May 14, 2012 at 5:57 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      i watched your video. one guy's interpretation of the bible. and he gives a false choice - is the bible about you or jesus? it's about a lot more than that.

      it said all the old testament points to jesus. so when the OT says to kill g.ays, that points to jesus? like you, the guy in the video made no sense.

      May 14, 2012 at 6:01 pm |
    • Russ

      @ bootyfunk: no, he said it's PRIMARILY/BASICALLY about Jesus.

      Consider what he's saying: this is God showing himself to the world – clarifying who he is & what a mess we've made of ourselves. The cross is the pinnacle of God's self-revelation.

      Not "one guy's interpretation" – it's what Jesus said in Luke 24. All of the Bible is primarily about him. So we read EVERYTHING in that way. What does this tell me about God / my condition / what he has done in Jesus?

      May 14, 2012 at 6:10 pm |
    • Russ

      @ bootyfunk: per your concern about "killing gays" – don't read so selectively. the OT basically teaches that everyone deserves death. and in light of how Jesus presses the reality of the 10 commandments (underlying meaning) in the Sermon on the Mount (Mt.5-7), no one but him has kept them. no one.

      that's the point of the cross: we all deserve to die. or as Paul put it:
      "the wages of sin is death [what we've all earned], but the gift of God is eternal life in Jesus Christ." (Rom.6:23)

      May 14, 2012 at 6:13 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      "the OT basically teaches that everyone deserves death"

      what a disgusting line of thought. and to teach that to people is just terrible, a mental form of abuse. you are not inherently a bad person that deserves death. christianity teaches self-loathing to the thousandth degree.

      May 14, 2012 at 6:15 pm |
    • Russ

      @ bootyfunk: interesting. i could say the exact same for you – how could not believe that so many evils are worthy of death? and especially if – as theists believe – there is a God who made all of us. what greater self-destruction & act of suicidal tendencies could there be than for a lamp to unplug itself from the source of life? worse than that, daily living as if there was no God is basically regicide. and what is the penalty for treason in basically every country in the world?

      what's really amazing is that God doesn't let the story end there. the whole story is one of God pursuing his attempted murderers and making us into family.

      the cross hold mercy & justice together. most other religions require either a cheap mercy (that accepts evils like the Holocaust as if "well, God forgives") or absolute justice (which clearly no one can pass – Rom.3:10-12).

      May 14, 2012 at 6:23 pm |
  19. Voice of Reason

    I wonder if the Family Research Council ever did any psychological studies on the effects of religious indoctrination of children?

    May 14, 2012 at 5:40 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      dunno if they have, but look up any study on cult indoctrination of children and the effects. christianity is just a religious cult, like any other. once a cult is accepted by society, it calls itself a religion. once a religion loses all its cult members, it becomes a mythology.

      May 14, 2012 at 5:42 pm |
    • BamaDaniel

      Most of our criminal code is based on core beliefs found in all religions

      May 14, 2012 at 5:45 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      in what society was it ever legal to walk up and murder someone? or to take whatever you want from someone? religion gets no credit, sorry.

      May 14, 2012 at 5:46 pm |
    • BamaDaniel

      Cain and Abel. It was legal to duel to the death in the us

      May 14, 2012 at 5:50 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      @BamaDaniel

      Your world view is so distorted it's enlightening!

      May 14, 2012 at 5:52 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      cain and abel never existed. that's a made up story. look up "fairy tale" and "myth".

      so name a really real society instead of a made up one where murder and stealing were legal.

      May 14, 2012 at 5:54 pm |
    • BamaDaniel

      So all the cities in Bible that are named that still exist are made up

      May 14, 2012 at 5:57 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      some cities mentioned are real, many are made up. mentioning a city that existed isn't writing a history. it's like if i made up a story about aliens attacking London during the middle ages - not exactly history because i mention a city that exists, right?

      May 14, 2012 at 6:05 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Bootyfunk, history means His Story.

      Smile.

      May 14, 2012 at 7:38 pm |
    • danielwalldammit

      Every study they do is on that topic, and it always come back showing it has positive results. They wouldn't let their data tell them anything else.

      May 15, 2012 at 3:32 am |
  20. Bootyfunk

    if you're a good christian, you're supposed to kill g.a.y.s. how do you justify not following your rule book?

    May 14, 2012 at 5:39 pm |
    • BamaDaniel

      Thou shalt not kill

      May 14, 2012 at 5:43 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      kind of conflicting messages, eh? so you just choose the command you like best?

      May 14, 2012 at 5:44 pm |
    • Russ

      @ bootyfunk: you read those passages through the cross (it's what being a Christian is)...
      1) I deserve death for what I've done as much as anybody else
      2) Jesus took the punishment (death) that I deserve – and for many others

      So, the cross humbles me because I'm as bad as anyone else (so I can't cast the first stone).
      But at the very same time, it clearly speaks the truth in love (and calls us out of the things that are killing us).

      May 14, 2012 at 5:44 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      @Russ

      So, if jesus was a modern day prophet you would be saying something like this:

      So, the electric chair humbles me because I'm as bad as anyone else (so I can't cast the first stone).

      May 14, 2012 at 5:49 pm |
    • Russ

      @ VoR: IF Jesus had died in an electric chair...

      May 14, 2012 at 5:51 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      it clearly speaks of hate as much as love. you think a woman that has pre-marital s.ex should be dragged to her father's doorstep by her would-be husband and stoned to death? the bible is disgusting. the bible approves of slavery.

      all cults mix a message of love with their brand of craziness - the cult of christianity is no different. that you are also taught you are a bad person is terrible. it's a form of mental abuse. the pillars of religion are fear, guilt and ignorance.

      May 14, 2012 at 5:52 pm |
    • Russ

      @ Bootyfunk: no, the bible speaks of justice. we deserve worse than that for what we've done with what God gave us. that's what the cross is saying – at the very same time that we are offered mercy.

      you've got it exactly backward on the fear & guilt. i reject a religion based on fear & guilt – that's what Jesus is clearly showing us on the cross. God doesn't want to LITERALLY scare the hell out of us – he is bringing heaven to us. As Hosea 2:14 says: to woo us back to him despite what we deserve.

      in the face of justice, it's incredible mercy & love we're shown.

      May 14, 2012 at 5:57 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      @Russ
      "God doesn't want to LITERALLY scare the hell out of us "

      The why does your religion do it to small children?

      May 14, 2012 at 6:00 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      you are brain washed. you are in a cult. it is called christianity. cults/religions are not healthy. you should leave and seek counseling immediately. learn to think for yourself.

      the bible speaks of justice? jesus supported slavery:

      Luke 12:37-38
      37 "Blessed are those slaves whom the master will find on the alert when he comes; truly I say to you, that he will gird himself to serve, and have them recline at the table, and will come up and wait on them.
      38 "Whether he comes in the second watch, or even in the third, and finds them so, blessed are those slaves.”

      some justice....

      May 14, 2012 at 6:09 pm |
    • Russ

      @ bootyfunk: here's what i mean by "read it through the cross..."
      those passages only become clear when you realize JESUS became the slave, so I could be set free.
      "I did not come to be served, but to serve – and give my life as a ransom for many." (Mk.10:45)

      Jesus is not 'condoning' slavery. He is radically subverting the entire system.
      Paul makes it clearest by what he says in Gal.3:28 & Philemon.
      And these were the very ideas that spurred William Wilberforce & MLK to do what they did.

      May 14, 2012 at 6:26 pm |
    • HS

      Bootyfunk, I find it ironic that you non-believers complain about Jesus' truth on slavery (subject, content, outcomes ... righteous versus unrighteous) all the time, only to find yourselves enslaved to living a lie.

      May 15, 2012 at 6:17 pm |
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