Editor's note: Daniel A. Helminiak, who was ordained a priest in Rome, is a theologian, psychotherapist and author of “What the Bible Really Says about homosexuality" and books on contemporary spirituality. He is a professor of psychology at the University of West Georgia.
By Daniel A. Helminiak, Special to CNN
President Barack Obama’s support of same-sex marriage, like blood in the water, has conservative sharks circling for a kill. In a nation that touts separation of religion and government, religious-based arguments command this battle. Lurking beneath anti-gay forays, you inevitably find religion and, above all, the Bible.
We now face religious jingoism, the imposition of personal beliefs on the whole pluralistic society. Worse still, these beliefs are irrational, just a fiction of blind conviction. Nowhere does the Bible actually oppose homosexuality.
In the past 60 years, we have learned more about sex, by far, than in preceding millennia. Is it likely that an ancient people, who thought the male was the basic biological model and the world flat, understood homosexuality as we do today? Could they have even addressed the questions about homosexuality that we grapple with today? Of course not.
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Hard evidence supports this commonsensical expectation. Taken on its own terms, read in the original languages, placed back into its historical context, the Bible is ho-hum on homosexuality, unless – as with heterosexuality – injustice and abuse are involved.
That, in fact, was the case among the Sodomites (Genesis 19), whose experience is frequently cited by modern anti-gay critics. The Sodomites wanted to rape the visitors whom Lot, the one just man in the city, welcomed in hospitality for the night.
The Bible itself is lucid on the sin of Sodom: pride, lack of concern for the poor and needy (Ezekiel 16:48-49); hatred of strangers and cruelty to guests (Wisdom 19:13); arrogance (Sirach/Ecclesiaticus 16:8); evildoing, injustice, oppression of the widow and orphan (Isaiah 1:17); adultery (in those days, the use of another man’s property), and lying (Jeremiah 23:12).
But nowhere are same-sex acts named as the sin of Sodom. That intended gang rape only expressed the greater sin, condemned in the Bible from cover to cover: hatred, injustice, cruelty, lack of concern for others. Hence, Jesus says “Love your neighbor as yourself” (Matthew 19:19; Mark 12:31); and “By this will they know you are my disciples” (John 13:35).
How inverted these values have become! In the name of Jesus, evangelicals and Catholic bishops make sex the Christian litmus test and are willing to sacrifice the social safety net in return.
The longest biblical passage on male-male sex is Romans 1:26-27: "Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another."
The Greek term para physin has been translated unnatural; it should read atypical or unusual. In the technical sense, yes, the Stoic philosophers did use para physin to mean unnatural, but this term also had a widespread popular meaning. It is this latter meaning that informs Paul's writing. It carries no ethical condemnation.
Compare the passage on male-male sex to Romans 11:24. There, Paul applies the term para physin to God. God grafted the Gentiles into the Jewish people, a wild branch into a cultivated vine. Not your standard practice! An unusual thing to do — atypical, nothing more. The anti-gay "unnatural" hullabaloo rests on a mistranslation.
Besides, Paul used two other words to describe male-male sex: dishonorable (1:24, 26) and unseemly (1:27). But for Paul, neither carried ethical weight. In 2 Corinthians 6:8 and 11:21, Paul says that even he was held in dishonor — for preaching Christ. Clearly, these words merely indicate social disrepute, not truly unethical behavior.
In this passage Paul is referring to the ancient Jewish Law: Leviticus 18:22, the “abomination” of a man’s lying with another man. Paul sees male-male sex as an impurity, a taboo, uncleanness — in other words, “abomination.” Introducing this discussion in 1:24, he says so outright: "God gave them up … to impurity."
But Jesus taught lucidly that Jewish requirements for purity — varied cultural traditions — do not matter before God. What matters is purity of heart.
“It is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but it is what comes out of the mouth that defiles,” reads Matthew 15. “What comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this is what defiles. For out of the heart come evil intentions, murder, adultery, fornication, theft, false witness, slander. These are what defile a person, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile.”
Or again, Jesus taught, “Everyone who looks at a women with lust has already committed adultery with her in his heart” (Matthew 5:28). Jesus rejected the purity requirements of the Jewish Law.
In calling it unclean, Paul was not condemning male-male sex. He had terms to express condemnation. Before and after his section on sex, he used truly condemnatory terms: godless, evil, wicked or unjust, not to be done. But he never used ethical terms around that issue of sex.
As for marriage, again, the Bible is more liberal than we hear today. The Jewish patriarchs had many wives and concubines. David and Jonathan, Ruth and Naomi, and Daniel and the palace master were probably lovers.
The Bible’s Song of Songs is a paean to romantic love with no mention of children or a married couple. Jesus never mentioned same-sex behaviors, although he did heal the “servant” — pais, a Greek term for male lover — of the Roman Centurion.
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Paul discouraged marriage because he believed the world would soon end. Still, he encouraged people with sexual needs to marry, and he never linked sex and procreation.
Were God-given reason to prevail, rather than knee-jerk religion, we would not be having a heated debate over gay marriage. “Liberty and justice for all,” marvel at the diversity of creation, welcome for one another: these, alas, are true biblical values.
The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Daniel A. Helminiak.
Is anyone on here actually trying to figure something out or just itching for a chance to call someone an ignorant bigot b/c they dont see thing as you do? realize that name calling is not a sign of intelligence.
Religious zealots are ignorant bigots because they are ignorant bigots, that is why they are called that by people on this forum.
Whatever, bigot. Sorry couldn't resist.
Look a spade is a spade.
So few ppl are good at dialogue.
Secure in some ways, I believe that some might be grateful to the Atheist or a Religious person that they find here on the blog that they can name call and insult. They can explode and crap all over the person(s) because they can't do the same to, maybe their wife or husband or other family member who might be a Atheist or Faithful.
Yeah, ppl sure do love to hate. That goes for both sides.
Don't like gay marriage? Don't get one. Don't perform them in your church or place of worship. Go ahead and teach your kids how icky it is and they're going to hell even.
But why do you get to tell other people who are doing you no harm who they can marry?
I understand and completely agree with most everything you've said. I realized a while ago that trying to have a legitmative, intellectual conversation with the atheists is pointless. They regurgitate the same arguments over and over that have no intellectual depth whatsoever.
To be completely honest though, many Christians (not necessarily yourself, but others) also post the same generic responses and such dialogue produces nothing of value.
I am a Christian not out of ignorance and I don't believe in a "magical sky fairy" as some atheists say. They claim to be the only people with intellect and logic and anyone who believes in Christ is therefore a moron. I've learned from experience that trying to discuss topics with someone who already knows everything (and refuses to consider other viewpoints) is completely worthless and in the end you've only wasted your time/energy.
You show thought and consideration in many of your posts and I wish you the best. My best advice is to keep learning and keep studying, let the clowns on these boards keep arguing over the trivial, meaningless, and often times false misrepresentations they claim to know so much about.
I believe in Jesus because he is REAL and I've come to this conclusion by looking at all sides of the argument coupled with the fact that he changed my life when I gave him the chance. Cheers and God bless!
Jesus didn't change jack squat about your life when you "gave it to him." You decided to make some changes for the better and made them and stuck to them. Give yourself some credit. Why you need to give that credit to an invisible (yes, invisible means something you can't see) deity for what you yourself have done I'll never understand.
The reason that it if futile for you to have a logical conversation with us atheists is because you don’t use logic and reason in a conversation with us. I don’t mean to sound mean but it is delusional to believe in something for which there is no evidence.
None of the evidence that have been given for the existence of a god has ever panned out. You can’t rely on flawed arguments to make your case. First and foremost you have to provide evidence that your bible is true. That has never been done before. After that then you can attempt to use the bible as evidence to support your claims. If the bible is fiction then it is invalid to use in an argument.
Well actually the truly intellectual people accept people no matter what. I'm agnostic and my husband is Catholic. We both have master degrees and have successful and extremely high paying jobs. He believes he and I and our kids will have an afterlife. I do not. We accept that we think differently about this. Neither of us are insecure enough in our beliefs that we try to convert each other. That is true intellect. You would never be able to have an intellectual conversation with my husband or me – you simply would not be able to keep up.
Feel free to believe what you want, I find it very typical from atheists to surmise to know exactly what happened when the only thing you actually know about me is from my comment above. Says more about you than me doesn't it?
Oh I'm sorry Truth, you're right, I didn't give you the chance to prove the invisible diety exists. I just assumed, like 100% of everyone I've ever asked to prove it, that you can't. Can you? With real actual evidence of some sort?
Truth, I would love to hear your response to yeahalright. Non-believers contend this so called evidence about Jesus changing your life would have also happened if you explored Islam, Buddhism or many other religions, and it is really you who changed your life. I have never read any Christian refute this statement.
What do you say to all the Muslims who think Allah changed their lives, or to all the non-believers who say their lives improved when they unchained themselves from their religious delusions?
I am just using logic and expect the same from you.
wow I just typed a freaking book in response to yeaalright and n8 but it never posted.....unfortunately I don't have another 30min at work to retype everything.
@n8 – Good question, I've asked that question myself. Google answers are abound.
@yealright – Please provide me with absolutely proof that you're a human. If you can't the I'll assume that you aren't since you can't provide me with the proof necessary to believe. Ridiculous right? Thats an extreme example but you asking for absolute proof on a comments section is completely laughable.
@Truth – you shouldn't be using your employer's time and equipment to post things on the internet. That is stealing. Stealing is a sin. Jesus does not approve.
It is immoral to impose your religious superstition on others.
You do not believe in religion because you honestly think it is true, you believe in it because you fear mortality or are seeking meaning in your life. It does not take a genius to figure out all religion is man made, so for humanity's sake, please stop lying to yourself.
Deluding yourself in religion does not change reality. Lying to yourself is probably the worst possible way to try to find meaning.
I was a little too slow last time you posted this, so I will try again.
It is wrong and pretty much impossible to force anyone to believe, do, or not do, most anything. The government makes laws and people break them.
A lot of religious practices are man-made. However, it appears that you do not believe in God because you have never had a personal spiritual experience with him. God is a spirit and the only way you can make contact with him is through his Holy Spirit. This is a common mistake that you are making because you are denying God with your human or carnal understanding. I don’t doubt that people seek God for immortality, providing a meaning in their lives, and many other reasons.
Denying the existence of God does that change the fact that he is. Attempting to find meaning in anything or anyone, other than God, will only lead to disappointment. God will never let you down.
The first step to discovering what you are missing is faith. If you are interested in obtaining some let me know. If not, have a great day.
Robert, I do not deny a god or gods may exist, some people might even describe me as a deist. What is obvious is that all organized religions are made up by man.
I agree that you can not force someone to believe as you do. It is funny when Christians reply to me and say that is what I am doing. That is impossible. However through the political process you CAN deny civil rights based on your personal religious beliefs, and that is what I mean by imposing your religion on others, and that is morally wrong.
I don’t doubt that people seek God for immortality, providing a meaning in their lives, and many other reasons.
Robert, I agree with you and much of what you wrote echoes my thoughts, as far as spirituality and seeking God, whatever that may mean to the individual. But, your last statement suggests that you may want to tell the OP that you have the "right" way to find God, I'll assume it's the christian way? I think that's where we get into trouble. Religion is a construct of the human mind. We just simply cannot "know" the answers we claim to know, at least at this point. Also, just focusing on christianity, there will always be human beings born to a place of this earth where they would never hear of the teachings of the bible. So, how could the teachings of the bible possibly be the "only way", if not every equal human being on this planet was not privy to them? For me, that's where it falls apart. I think of God in generic terms. I don't rely on the tenents created by man, and assume that they have the answers. I believe in God, but not in religion.
Anyone here watch the show "The Borgias" ... based on real events? I like it because it shows how "perfect christians" are no different than ordinary people.
I watch the Borgias. Yep, perfect, right?
Christians are abnormal. They are deluded therefore they have a mental disorder, period.
This is the "good news" that many people who grew up 'in' the church don't realize.
36 When one of the Pharisees invited Jesus to have dinner with him, he went to the Pharisee’s house and reclined at the table. 37 A woman in that town who lived a sinful life learned that Jesus was eating at the Pharisee’s house, so she came there with an alabaster jar of perfume. 38 As she stood behind him at his feet weeping, she began to wet his feet with her tears. Then she wiped them with her hair, kissed them and poured perfume on them.
39 When the Pharisee who had invited him saw this, he said to himself, “If this man were a prophet, he would know who is touching him and what kind of woman she is—that she is a sinner.”
40 Jesus answered him, “Simon, I have something to tell you.”
“Tell me, teacher,” he said.
41 “Two people owed money to a certain moneylender. One owed him five hundred denarii,[c] and the other fifty. 42 Neither of them had the money to pay him back, so he forgave the debts of both. Now which of them will love him more?”
43 Simon replied, “I suppose the one who had the bigger debt forgiven.”
“You have judged correctly,” Jesus said.
44 Then he turned toward the woman and said to Simon, “Do you see this woman? I came into your house. You did not give me any water for my feet, but she wet my feet with her tears and wiped them with her hair. 45 You did not give me a kiss, but this woman, from the time I entered, has not stopped kissing my feet. 46 You did not put oil on my head, but she has poured perfume on my feet. 47 Therefore, I tell you, her many sins have been forgiven—as her great love has shown. But whoever has been forgiven little loves little.”
48 Then Jesus said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.”
49 The other guests began to say among themselves, “Who is this who even forgives sins?”
50 Jesus said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.”
Guess you don't know what Christianity is then.....certainly not about being perfect. In fact, it's about being far from perfect and thus our need for redemption.
Please learn atleast the basics of Christianity before trying to speak on its behalf.
also,gotta love those "gays" whose only viewpoint that counts is theirs.
Seems to me that there are a lot of educated straight people who agree.
lot of hatred here. gotta love "religion" and got to love those "christians". yep.
Religious types! Step-up to the plate without your bible and have a conversation like real people do.
I did! See comment below
So, do you base your life's existence on the bible's words or word's from god?
Lo and behold, pappa smurf spoketh and all the smurfs
chastised there little blue selves beforith him.
The bible, I believe, is inspired by God.
The bible, I believe, is inspired by God.
OK then, for the sake of debate I am going to assume that you cannot prove there is a god?
Ughhh. I am spending to much time on here! Sorry, im gonna have to get off here, and get back to real life. I dunno. For me, the existence of God is so obvious to me. But if you dont see it, you dont see it. I may be religious, but i dont get angry at all when someone doest believe what i do. this forum is so angry. I dont agree with gay behavior, b/c of my personal beliefs, but im not going to treat a gay person any different than anyone else. I dont agree with ppl that live together and not married. Yes! Im really old school. I dont agree with ppl that fight in wars. but im gonna treat everyone exactly the same. And if i had the chance to save someone life, someone that was gay, or another group that doesnt live by the morals that i do, i would do that for anyone of any background. ---–ahhh, getting off here.
Why do gays have such a hard time making male friends?
Stupid question of the day.
@ YeahRight, "The experts have proven that gays can't change who they are and it's harmful to even try."
Experts? Proven? Can't change? What kind of smoke are you doing? Many "experts" don't even know which shoes to put on first! Hell, they don't much know what is normal and that which is abnormal! Most registered "nominalists" or shrinks or "psycho-verts" are rolling in the dough telling others of abnormality they are normal which is a bunch of crapola!
1. Gays and lesbians and Bi-sensualists are the fruits of sodomy
2. Sodomy is a wicked and vile Act of unrighteousness!
3. Anyone who sees no harm in sodomy are fooling themselves!
4. Sodomizers recruit the weak in vile and wicked sensualisms' ways!
5. The weak recruits of sodomy are brainwashed with repetativity in vile Acts of animalistic wickedness!
6. Sodmoizers are not truthful with their recruits and they lie about many things regarding sodomy!
7. Recruits of sodomy are from many branches of society
8.The new recruits are easy marks and willing to be led by their sodomite peers!
9. Sodomite vanities are in their actions portraying the religious to be the fools in order to break down the new recruits God given fences in their minds eyes!
10. Any sodomite will portray the godly of God to be the social misfits when the real misfits are the sodomizers!
12 Sodomy cannot grow without new recruits!
13. Do not give in to any sodomizer who tests your God given fence of rationalism to ever veer away from sensualistic animal acts and perverted actions of the sodomites' kinds!
You really have an addiction problem don't you?
similar word use as pipedreamer or maybe worlds oldest dreamer.
You got that one right! He can't hide his illness.
1. Gays and lesbians and Bi-sensualists are the fruits of sodomy -LIE
2. Sodomy is a wicked and vile Act of unrighteousness! -LIE
3. Anyone who sees no harm in sodomy are fooling themselves! -LIE
4. Sodomizers recruit the weak in vile and wicked sensualisms' ways! -LIE
5. The weak recruits of sodomy are brainwashed with repetativity in vile Acts of animalistic wickedness! -LIE
6. Sodmoizers are not truthful with their recruits and they lie about many things regarding sodomy! -LIE
7. Recruits of sodomy are from many branches of society -LIE
8.The new recruits are easy marks and willing to be led by their sodomite peers! -LIE
9. Sodomite vanities are in their actions portraying the religious to be the fools in order to break down the new recruits God given fences in their minds eyes! -LIE
10. Any sodomite will portray the godly of God to be the social misfits when the real misfits are the sodomizers! -LIE
12 Sodomy cannot grow without new recruits! -LIE
13. Do not give in to any sodomizer who tests your God given fence of rationalism to ever veer away from sensualistic animal acts and perverted actions of the sodomites' kinds! -LIE
So moron did you even bother to look at the definition of sodomy. All your posts proves is your hate and prejudice is not founded in real facts.
1. anal or oral copulation with a member of the opposite sex.
2. copulation with a member of the same sex.
"similar word use as pipedreamer or maybe worlds oldest dreamer."
Yeah, it's the same mindless troll.
@ Voice of Reason
I just hate sodomy and sodomizers who recruit the very young into their bedchamber! Vile and wicked are the sodomizers' Acts in recruitment issues! I am so glad I live in a country that allows for abnormalities to converge with people's normalities!
You attack experts, and then run to the bible.
Anybody trying to have a conversation with you should try a brick wall.
You are that thick.
Are you done drooling over your keyboard ?
Definition of SODOMY
: anal or oral copulation with a member of the same or opposite s-e-x; also: copulation with an animal
@A Serpent's Thought
So clearly, your objection is one of a se.xual nature or is what it says in the bible? Pick one please.
Yeah, the heck with those doctors and scientists and experts and their years of school and practice!
My ignorance is just as valuable as your knowledge, eh?
You definitely ought to get a life!
I think that many Christians now feel it's their right to disrespect other people if their views don't coincide. I see so many quotes here from the King James version of the Bible. We all know that those writers (compilers?) didn't take any liberties with translation. The author of the opinion expressed views based on the original language of the bible which can be quite different from the translated KJV. We all can see just how volatile a mix is religion and politics. I'm afraid that some of these people want to see a theocracy and what a disaster that would be. Just think of the religious police in Iran. But of course, we're much too smart of a people to let anything like that happen...right??
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. - This wasn't brought up in your article. That's the one, directly, they're referencing. Not just Sodom.
What is your point with all this gibberish?
Sorry, but I'm not going to base my life on a book of fairy tales.
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. "
It's part of the holiness code and doesn't apply to Christians today. Or are you going to force women to marry their rapist and all the other things in those scriptures. Probably not. You're just another brainwashed prejudice Christian. Part of reading comprehension 101 is putting the scripture into historical context.
Ever eat shellfish? You're in for it too.
PRISM 1234 and THE REAL FRANK are obviously not followers of Jesus. Jesus said LOVE you neighbor as yourself and clean yourself of your sins before you condemn the sins of others.
ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS CALLS YARD WORK "POOR PEOPLE WORK" AND THE OTHER NEIGHBOR IS PROBABLY GOING TO DIE SOON BECAUSE HE IS OLDER THAN GOD. I REALLY DON'T CARE ABOUT EITHER OF THEM. JESUS PROBABLY NEVER EXISTED.
I'm clean where's my brick
Alright, with all things weighed. I believe legally, const.itutionally, gays have a right to be married. I mean, its kinda messing with an already highly disfunctional (domestically speaking) society, but with the over population of the earth, and reproducing couples doing such a poor job at raising children, or not taking care of them at all, maybe gays can only help with those problems. So, go for it, its not gonna hurt anything that much at this point. AND i believe its a legal right.
BUT, no matter how you twist and strangle the scriptures, the God of the Bible and scriptures within, will never support gay behavior. Thats it. It doesnt. So lose your belief in God, which many have already done, or start your own flavor of religion that suits you and allows you the lifestyle you want, but leave the Bible alone. Because it does NOT have your back. You have many options for support, the Bible is not one of them
I WOULD LIKE TO BORROW YOUR SHOES.
AND TAKE A DUMP IN THEM.
LOL!!!! love it.
So you would agree that the bible also does not have the back of those who would like to use it to support, say, arguments against slavery or women being forced to marry their rapists? It cannot and will never have their backs either, yes? Or are you a pick-and-chooser?
what is it with gays and atheists they keep repeating the same thing over and over and over...(and over) again?
like shellfish. LOL Jesus Christ came to fulfill the law and set us free. we don't need to avoid that as the same thing with pork.
but I understand...is not convenience...is FOOLISHNESS that applyting their dirty mind, full of their corrupt "justice" think we will deny God and His Holy Scriptures..
like CNN and tis gay staff, anchors, taking bribery from LGBT dirty money....all to put up ridiculous articles like this nutjob above, pushing a point.
..have you guys seem the CNN take on balck church? stones, judgment and stones..and on the top of that, challenging what is sacred, applying their corrupted dirty political equality.
they say: "hey you! this commandment is not working anymore! we don't like it and is too out of fashion! lets GET rid of it!!
that is the way they think.
or atheists stating that the Bible says the world is flat (like all the other retarded talking points of atheists) LOL three thousand years before Galileo, Isiaah the prophet already referred to the world as "globe" and "sphere". The jewish people new the world was a globe thousands of years before Galileo....ahah
or th atheists, the most resentful, irrational and delusional samplles of human beings point to the passage when Satan show Jesus Christ, in a VISION all the world ("proof" that the world is flat! LOLaahahahaha)
can you guys believe it?
This people are so sinful and their minds are so dirty that they behave like 4 years old. Seriously. gays and atheists...they can't stand the Word of God. I would say some gays, many of them are not like that but atheists....pathetic.
..and we have to see CNN over and over again pushing to destroy, descredit, mock, ignore Christians and the Scriptures...
you will have to KILL us all.
get OVER IT
p.s.: and before you jump up and down of happiness for our killing, the BIBLE says the end of the days will be like that.
We WILL BE put to death and persecuted by you.
But He die for you as well. Nobody goes to heaven after death EXCEPT through Him.
no budhism, isla, the religion of the idol moon, no paganism, cults, etc nothing will be able to re-connect to God EXCEPT TROUGH JESUS CHRIST.
The Bible is perfect, confirmed by Science over and over again trhough the years and has no contradiction with so many authors from prophets, to tax collectors, kings, etc
The answers of Life is there. Do not listen to FLESH. resentment of atheists or disturbed emotions of those who want to force their lifestyle over us.
This Nation allow these kind of people have a voice. EXACTLY due the Christian foundation.
Imagine these bugs living in another Nation. One of those isla, hindu cults, etc...lol
You have outdone yourself, troll.
See what happens when you can't think for yourself and must be led like sheep to the slaughter.
You forgot a few..the bible is a made up book. God doesn't exist.
When Galileo proved that the earth revolves around the sun, he was excommunicated and persecuted by the church. So much for science "proving" what your made up book states.
"Seriously. gays and atheists...they can't stand the Word of God."
That's why there are gay churches, gay clergy and gay Christians.
"disturbed emotions of those who want to force their lifestyle over us."
The American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Counseling Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American School Counselor Association, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the National Association of SocialWorkers, together representing more than 480,000 mental health professionals, have all taken the position that homosexuality is not a mental disorder and thus is not something that needs to or can be “cured.”
what is it with Christians and Republicans they keep repeating the same thing over and over and over
@Marcio. So you drank the koolade did you? Now you are a zealot. Since zealots are, by definition, fanatics, and fanatics are unstable, I guess you'll just have to check yourself into the nearest psych ward. It is said they have good medicine there that helps with delusion.
But we're not the headliners, are we? The headlines are biased by the editors.
Yes, you can counter all of his points. Any belief or point of view can be explained using the Bible. "To those who believe no explanation is necessary, to those who do not, no explanation is enough." It will be interesting to see what we will understand about this issue when we meet God face to face. Or, will we care even then?
And we can point, and counter point, and counter point those points into eternity; the fact that no one can agree on any of it is a red flag.
If there is a god, I suggest we let him/her/it sort it out, and stop accusing each other of sin in the meantime.
If a book is so powerful that it can be used to promote or demote any idea, why is it people put so much faith into it?
Are you so blind? What the heck is wrong with you? Have you ever considered reading alternative explanations to our life and existence on this planet?
I won't care because I'll be dead and god doesn't exist.
If God is real, all he has to do is drop by and straighten out this mess.
Not too much to ask, dont ya think ?
The man who wrote this article is a REPROBATE.
The Scriptures in 2Peter and Jude are written for him and those like him.
It would be better if the was never born, then pervert the Word of God.
god shouldn't have created him then.
So you're saying abortion would have been ok, in this case? That's so cute how that works!
OH LOOK, IT'S PRISM 1234 THE SELF-LOVING CHRISTIAN TROLL.
Yes people you too can join this person's cult and turn into a bitter judgmental person like this. It's so great to see the true problem with Christianity every time people like this post.
Clever that the church should put that in there.
EVERY DAY, I SEE THE SAME RETARDS CALLING EVERYONE "BIGOTS." YOU BROKEN RECORDS ARE ABOUT FUCKING WORTHLESS. SAY SOMETHING NEW OR SHUT THE FUCK UP FOR CHRIST'S STUPID SAKE.
Turn off your caps, idiot.
GO FUCK YOURSELF, COCK MONGREL.
I BET YOU'RE NOT REALLY FRANK
Someone found a way around the word filter! Sadly, you're also late for school. What will your mommy say when she finds out you skipped to play on the computers at the library?
Frank, take some of your contributions here, print them out, and show them to your priest. I think you will find a warm glow of salvation comes over you when you do.
YOU ARE SO CLEVER, WITTY AND ORIGINAL, SAM. I TREMBLE BEFORE YOUR SUPERIOR INTELLECT. PLEASE DO NOT INSULT ME AGAIN BY MEANS OF AGE REFERENCE BECAUSE IT IS AN INSULT NOT A SINGLE ONE OF US HAS HEARD OR READ BEFORE. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO CIRCUMVENT AND RECOVER FROM. IT IS TRUE. I AM LATE FOR SCHOOL. KINDERGARTEN PERHAPS? DARE I SAY, PRESCHOOL? OH DEAR BALLS, NOT THAT. DON'T GO THAT FAR, SAM. PLEASE I BEG YOU DON'T HURT MY LITTLE E-FEELINGS. YOU ARE SO GOOD AT HURTING E-FEELINGS.
I think I love you, real Frank.
Listen, is it 'cock mongrel' or 'cock mongler'? I've heard it both ways.
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