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My Take: What the Bible really says about homosexuality
The author argues that the meaning of the Bible's passages on homosexuality have been lost in translation.
May 15th, 2012
05:39 PM ET

My Take: What the Bible really says about homosexuality

Editor's note: Daniel A. Helminiak, who was ordained a priest in Rome, is a theologian, psychotherapist and author of “What the Bible Really Says about homosexuality" and books on contemporary spirituality. He is a professor of psychology at the University of West Georgia.

By Daniel A. Helminiak, Special to CNN

President Barack Obama’s support of same-sex marriage, like blood in the water, has conservative sharks circling for a kill. In a nation that touts separation of religion and government, religious-based arguments command this battle. Lurking beneath anti-gay forays, you inevitably find religion and, above all, the Bible.

We now face religious jingoism, the imposition of personal beliefs on the whole pluralistic society. Worse still, these beliefs are irrational, just a fiction of blind conviction. Nowhere does the Bible actually oppose homosexuality.

In the past 60 years, we have learned more about sex, by far, than in preceding millennia. Is it likely that an ancient people, who thought the male was the basic biological model and the world flat, understood homosexuality as we do today? Could they have even addressed the questions about homosexuality that we grapple with today? Of course not.

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Hard evidence supports this commonsensical expectation. Taken on its own terms, read in the original languages, placed back into its historical context, the Bible is ho-hum on homosexuality, unless – as with heterosexuality – injustice and abuse are involved.

That, in fact, was the case among the Sodomites (Genesis 19), whose experience is frequently cited by modern anti-gay critics. The Sodomites wanted to rape the visitors whom Lot, the one just man in the city, welcomed in hospitality for the night.

The Bible itself is lucid on the sin of Sodom: pride, lack of concern for the poor and needy (Ezekiel 16:48-49); hatred of strangers and cruelty to guests (Wisdom 19:13); arrogance (Sirach/Ecclesiaticus 16:8); evildoing, injustice, oppression of the widow and orphan (Isaiah 1:17); adultery (in those days, the use of another man’s property), and lying (Jeremiah 23:12).

But nowhere are same-sex acts named as the sin of Sodom. That intended gang rape only expressed the greater sin, condemned in the Bible from cover to cover: hatred, injustice, cruelty, lack of concern for others. Hence, Jesus says “Love your neighbor as yourself” (Matthew 19:19; Mark 12:31); and “By this will they know you are my disciples” (John 13:35).

How inverted these values have become! In the name of Jesus, evangelicals and Catholic bishops make sex the Christian litmus test and are willing to sacrifice the social safety net in return.

The longest biblical passage on male-male sex is Romans 1:26-27: "Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another."

The Greek term para physin has been translated unnatural; it should read atypical or unusual. In the technical sense, yes, the Stoic philosophers did use para physin to mean unnatural, but this term also had a widespread popular meaning. It is this latter meaning that informs Paul's writing. It carries no ethical condemnation.

Compare the passage on male-male sex to Romans 11:24. There, Paul applies the term para physin to God. God grafted the Gentiles into the Jewish people, a wild branch into a cultivated vine. Not your standard practice! An unusual thing to do — atypical, nothing more. The anti-gay "unnatural" hullabaloo rests on a mistranslation.

Besides, Paul used two other words to describe male-male sex: dishonorable (1:24, 26) and unseemly (1:27). But for Paul, neither carried ethical weight. In 2 Corinthians 6:8 and 11:21, Paul says that even he was held in dishonor — for preaching Christ. Clearly, these words merely indicate social disrepute, not truly unethical behavior.

In this passage Paul is referring to the ancient Jewish Law: Leviticus 18:22, the “abomination” of a man’s lying with another man. Paul sees male-male sex as an impurity, a taboo, uncleanness — in other words, “abomination.” Introducing this discussion in 1:24, he says so outright: "God gave them up … to impurity."

But Jesus taught lucidly that Jewish requirements for purity — varied cultural traditions — do not matter before God. What matters is purity of heart.

“It is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but it is what comes out of the mouth that defiles,” reads Matthew 15. “What comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this is what defiles. For out of the heart come evil intentions, murder, adultery, fornication, theft, false witness, slander. These are what defile a person, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile.”

Or again, Jesus taught, “Everyone who looks at a women with lust has already committed adultery with her in his heart” (Matthew 5:28). Jesus rejected the purity requirements of the Jewish Law.

In calling it unclean, Paul was not condemning male-male sex. He had terms to express condemnation. Before and after his section on sex, he used truly condemnatory terms: godless, evil, wicked or unjust, not to be done. But he never used ethical terms around that issue of sex.

As for marriage, again, the Bible is more liberal than we hear today. The Jewish patriarchs had many wives and concubines. David and Jonathan, Ruth and Naomi, and Daniel and the palace master were probably lovers.

The Bible’s Song of Songs is a paean to romantic love with no mention of children or a married couple. Jesus never mentioned same-sex behaviors, although he did heal the “servant” — pais, a Greek term for male lover — of the Roman Centurion.

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Paul discouraged marriage because he believed the world would soon end. Still, he encouraged people with sexual needs to marry, and he never linked sex and procreation.

Were God-given reason to prevail, rather than knee-jerk religion, we would not be having a heated debate over gay marriage. “Liberty and justice for all,” marvel at the diversity of creation, welcome for one another: these, alas, are true biblical values.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Daniel A. Helminiak.

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  1. Bootyfunk

    ya know, the funny thing is, jesus loves the p.enis. hung with 12 dudes, never got with a girl. hmmmmm.... p.enis lover.

    when jesus comes back, he'll be waving a rainbow flag.

    May 17, 2012 at 5:57 am |
    • BamaDaniel

      Wrong Jesus banged Mary mag. Gay catholics lying .edited version .

      May 17, 2012 at 6:11 am |
    • Bet

      Wouldn't that make Jesus a fornicator?

      May 17, 2012 at 11:07 am |
    • Bet

      @ bootyfunk

      You are absolutely right!

      Revelation 4:2–3

      "And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald."

      This proves that Jesus is gay.

      May 17, 2012 at 12:13 pm |
  2. Joxer the Mighty

    Even if ho.mos.e.x.uality is a sin, according to 1 Corinthians 6:18 it is only a sin against the people committing the act. Stop worrying about their sins and stop trying to get the government to enforce religious laws. The U.S. is not in the middle east.

    May 17, 2012 at 5:39 am |
  3. Mkay

    Being gay is wrong. It says so in the Bible. Nana nana boo boo.

    May 17, 2012 at 4:52 am |
    • Bootyfunk

      the bible is wrong. i say so. nanny fanny poo pot!

      May 17, 2012 at 5:52 am |
  4. Scott

    Written by a confused liberal who knows nothing about the Bible...

    May 17, 2012 at 3:13 am |
    • Joxer the Mighty

      As opposed to a confused conservative who thinks he knows everything about the Bible?

      May 17, 2012 at 5:30 am |
    • Bootyfunk

      yeah, should have asked an atheist. studies show atheists know more about the bible than christians.

      May 17, 2012 at 5:54 am |
  5. Pedalingparson

    Helminiak is a classic revisionist who uses his moral, cultural, and historical relativism as a hermeneutical key for interpreting the Bible. I have read his book on the subject and beyond what I've already described, he argues ad hominem. He ignores the obvious and argues the ridiculous with the greatest of ease. He goes to extenuated extremes to justify his own sinful lifestyle. He is in for a rude awakening someday.

    May 17, 2012 at 1:49 am |
    • Mkay

      Oh no! Dr. Helminiak is doomed!!!... To the bat cave Robin...

      May 17, 2012 at 5:34 am |
    • Joxer the Mighty

      Wow, I didn't know you were qualified to judge whether someone was worthy of heaven. Am I worthy? Huh? Huh? I really want to know!

      May 17, 2012 at 5:41 am |
    • Bootyfunk

      @ped

      spot on. this guy is interpreting the bible's dogma to fit his own views.

      and joxer, no, you're not worth a wooden nickle.

      May 17, 2012 at 5:56 am |
  6. Christian

    Sooo the Old Testament was pretty much done away with??? Then why must we pray for forgiveness to have out SINS cleanse. What are sins? Transgressions of the law... You must see where I'm getting at. The law isn't void, we still have an obligation as Christians to try to be good in God's eyes and uphold his most holy commandments. The only difference is we are redeemed from our sins (when we plead with God) because Jesus died on the cross for us whereas the Jews had to burn an offering to receive atonement for their sins. Do you think if I went out and killed 1000 babies that God would be fine and say "Oh well... My laws are ridiculous.... Especially the one about not killing people." I think I've made my point to my brethren in Christ quite clear. You can choose not to believe me or you can actually open up that dusty old bible on your shel and study it!

    May 17, 2012 at 1:22 am |
    • GodPot

      "Do you think if I went out and killed 1000 babies that God would be fine and say "Oh well... My laws are ridiculous.... Especially the one about not killing people."

      "16 Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up." Hosea 13:16

      As long as the babies were the children of your God's enemies then I guess it's okay...at least according to your bible.

      May 17, 2012 at 2:37 am |
    • Nii

      GODPOT
      You want the children not to be killed or what? The main thing is they also did not want their children killed. He was not doing it to make them happy but that doesn't mean He was happy. I do not feel happy killing a man who wants me dead or is prepared to kill my children. It stops them.

      May 17, 2012 at 2:49 am |
    • Nii

      GODPOT
      When USA dropped those atomic bombs they knew how best to stop ur enemy. Perpetuating conventional warfare wud've killed more. Ja.pa.n wud still be a dangerous enemy rather than their friendliest ally! Compromise with evil can be dangerous in the long run! Ask the Europeans about Hitler!

      May 17, 2012 at 2:58 am |
    • Nii

      GODPOT
      The remnants of the Hebrew tribes governed by Samaria became stronger in their jewish faith as a result. Child sacrifices stopped among them too!

      May 17, 2012 at 3:02 am |
    • Bet

      Just typing random words in long strings is not a valid argument.

      May 17, 2012 at 12:02 pm |
  7. This Has Nothing To Do With Anything, But It's Really Funny!

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKAW96N-Vms&w=640&h=390]

    May 17, 2012 at 12:45 am |
  8. Believer

    In the beginning God created Adam, He saw that he was lonely and caused a deep sleep to fall on Adam and took one of his ribs and created Evevto be his helpmate, wife and mother of his children. Notice, the Bible says He created a man and a woman. The Old Testament was the chronicals of the Jewish people, God gave them Laws to live by and they violated everyone of them. Hebwas testing their faithfulness to Him. The New Teatament is completely different, we no longer live by the Law, we live by grace. because God sent His only son to die on the cross for our sins. Yes, you must have faith to believe and this can NOT be explained Scientically. No scientist has been able to disprove any word of the Bible. God loves every one, He loved us first, but He gave us freewill to choose to love Him in return. He will never force Himself on anyone. Innthe O.T.God did not approve of thenJewish people's behavior, He was ashamed of some of their acts. If thiss sounds familiar, it's because we behave in the same ways. Yes, God is Love, but He is also a jealous and vengeful God. Most of the instances under the Law, never happened, it was mostly a warning to the people. God was not pleased with their actions, just as we parents are not always proud of things our own children do. I punished mine for bad behavior. And, sadly our nation which was founde on religious freedom has suffered many atrocities , like 9-11 , slavery, act. I do not hate gays or Lesbians, it is till a free country and one can choose how they want to live. I would never force my faith on anyone, that's the Holy Spirits duty, not mine. Heaven and hell are real places, as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord until He calls us Home. We are just strangers passing through this life and eternity is forever, I pray that each and everyone of you will come to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christt, Our LORD and Savior. We only get one chance here on earth and I hope you make the right decisions. All it takes. Is to have the faith of a little child, they know their parents are there for them and the Heavenly Father is there for us. It is your choice to believe or not to believe. I pray that some of you will think on these things and make the right decision!

    May 17, 2012 at 12:08 am |
    • chitfaced

      In the beginning man created god. And from then on it was used to control. You don't need religion to have good morals. Cast away the farce that is god and religion.

      May 17, 2012 at 12:10 am |
    • LinCA

      @Believer

      You said, "In the beginning God created Adam, He saw that he was lonely and caused a deep sleep to fall on Adam and took one of his ribs and created Evevto be his helpmate, wife and mother of his children. Notice, the Bible says He created a man and a woman."

      If Eve was crafted from Adam's rib, she was his genetic twin. If she was made a woman, she must have been transsexual.

      Your god created the first LGBT couple, and the first same sex marriage.

      May 17, 2012 at 12:14 am |
    • Cq

      And the ancient Greeks believed that the first woman, Pandora, released all of the woes upon the world through her disobedience, and that Prometheus stole fire from Zeus and gave it to we mortals. All the world's myth systems have similar stories. In the Hebrew case. this myth teaches why women shouldn't be trusted with decision-making, and why the Sabbath has significance, amongst other things. Taking these stories literally is like taking Jesus parables as factual tales instead of teaching tools, you end up stripping them of their actual meaning.

      May 17, 2012 at 12:20 am |
    • Cq

      LinCA
      You're also forgetting the whole "Who did Cain and Seth end up marrying and having children with?" Eve, or some presumed sisters? Yikes!

      May 17, 2012 at 12:29 am |
    • Cricket

      Why do you believe that, Believer? Were you raised in it and just conformed? Have you ever seen any true miracles or indisputable evidence of the existence of your specific god (interpretations of coincidences and gut feelings are NOT even close to evidence)? Do you have a reason to believe that your books is right and all the others are wrong?

      Why do you believe that? Is it really just because enough people told it to you, and once you accepted, your imagination did the rest?

      If you actually have proof, I would love to read it. Seriously. But no more of that gibberish you posted above. Evidence.

      May 17, 2012 at 12:38 am |
    • LinCA

      @Cq

      You said, "You're also forgetting the whole "Who did Cain and Seth end up marrying and having children with?" Eve, or some presumed sisters? Yikes!"
      Where you say "yikes", someone else says "yum". To each his own, I guess.

      May 17, 2012 at 1:43 am |
    • Nii

      CQ
      I believe you feel it morally reprehensible for Cain and Seth to marry their sisters! So the question remains what if they had mrried each other! wud u be saying "yikes"?

      May 17, 2012 at 3:08 am |
    • Cq

      Nii
      Are you saying that a gay relationship is the same thing as incest in your books?

      May 22, 2012 at 4:21 pm |
  9. PRISM 1234

    The man who wrote the article is a reprobate. He knows the Word of God , yet he perverts it.
    It would have been better for him if he was never born.
    There is a warning to characters like him...Scriptures in 2Peter an Jude describe them.

    They call themselves experts and teachers, but deny the Word of God and the Holy Spirit of God, who testifies to the Truth. They are reprobates.
    When their day of Appointment comes, they will face the fearful judgment of holy God. ..
    .
    But most of those who go this far, have gone too far, and crossed God's line. They have rejected the testimony of the Spirit of God , committing unpardonable sin. For them is no sacrifice left!

    May 16, 2012 at 11:42 pm |
    • Berk

      Unless, of course, he's correct and you all have been following the false interpretation. You might say that it wasn't your fault. You were only following what you were told to believe, right? But witness all the good people who followed their conscience and, like slavery, just knew what the right spirit of scripture truly was all along. In that light it's hard to see you all as anything other than people who chose to persecute because you personally didn't like the people in question, and most would consider that a real sin.

      May 16, 2012 at 11:52 pm |
    • YeahRight

      So as you can see from the original poster you too can become a bitter judgmental person like this if you follow their cult.

      May 17, 2012 at 10:56 am |
    • PRISM 1234

      @Berk
      What do YOU know WHY do I believe?!
      People like you who deny and silence the voice of their consciences on which God imprinted the knowledge of Himself and ability to discern right from wrong, are DEAD while they're still alive.
      How can you know anything concerning God, His Word, and what is Truth, since you've rejected the witness of the Spirit fo God who is the Spirit of Truth?
      That's why to you every religion is the same and you can't discern the Truth. But God said that's the very thing that happens to those who, by love of Self and pride in their hearts, reject the truth .
      He gives them the spirit of stupor so that they can't see where they're going and the enemy of their souls takes advantage of them, leading them deeper and deeper into darkness.

      And just how dare you compare the injustice and oppression of slavery that man imposed on another man, with the issues "gays" are fighting for, to have definition of god- ordained insti/tution of marriage degraded and desecrated? For you and others, who try to put those in same category, this is even in itself an abomination....

      Listen friend! There is nothing in this world you or anyone else can do to disguise the issue of "gays" and make it on the same level as other human rights issues!.... Because this issue is about acceptance of something which we all KNOW that is wrong and unnatural, even as the nature itself shows, and it is against purpose and intent of God for humankind.
      Even the godless barbarians of ages past knew and understood this and didn't go so far into deprivation as the generation of godless barbarians of today who in imaginations of their darkened minds think that they have surpassed their need for any moral standard, because by rejecting God who gave them life, they've become gods to themselves.
      Seeing this is already the evidence of fulfilled prophecy of the Scriptures for the days we're living in.

      I thank God that He wont' allow it go on and on, lest there be nothing left on this earth but godless barbarism which earth has never seen, surpassing any other, even from the beginning of time.

      You and others like you, can delude yourself in imagination of your own minds, thinking that you can interpret the Scriptures any which way you fancy, but if you reject the Spirit of Truth who is the Holy spirit of God and His testimony, you're lost and in satan's grip! And he will spin the web of lies around you so tight, that the only thing left for you is to live your life in deluding yourself in his lies, till you cross over to eternity and then face the Truth you rejected....unless you take heed to warning of the Spirit of God while you still have time, and seek Him out in humility of your heart not being motivated by your own Self, andf the fallen nature that's driving you, which we all have...
      You know the Way, just like this man who wrote the article.... That's why it will be better for those who never knew nor were exposed to the Word fo God , then for you who knew, but rejected!!!

      """""""""""""""
      @YR
      Speaking THE TRUTH is NOT judging.
      But to those who have not the love of truth in their hearts, it is a great offence and a thorn in their side!

      May 17, 2012 at 12:18 pm |
    • Berk

      PRISM 1234
      You still haven't offered any reason why it isn't you, and your kind who isn't following the false interpreataion of scripture. You are just Soooo sure of yourself, arn't ya?

      May 22, 2012 at 4:30 pm |
  10. Reality

    Ho-mose-xuality in the 21st century:

    ONLY FOR THE NEWCOMERS–-–>>>>

    "Abrahamics" believe that their god created all of us and of course that includes the g-ay members of the human race. Also, those who have studied ho-mo-se-xuality have determined that there is no choice involved therefore ga-ys are ga-y because god made them that way.

    To wit:

    o The Royal College of Psy-chiatrists stated in 2007:

    “ Despite almost a century of psy-choanalytic and psy-chological speculation, there is no substantive evidence to support the suggestion that the nature of parenting or early childhood experiences play any role in the formation of a person’s fundamental heteros-exual or hom-ose-xual orientation. It would appear that s-exual orientation is biological in nature, determined by a complex interplay of ge-netic factors and the early ut-erine environment. Se-xual orientation is therefore not a choice.[60] "

    "Garcia-Falgueras and Swaab state in the abstract of their 2010 study, "The fe-tal brain develops during the intraut-erine period in the male direction through a direct action of tes-tosterone on the developing nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hor-mone surge. In this way, our gender identi-ty (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) and s-exual orientation are programmed or organized into our brain structures when we are still in the womb. There is no indication that social environment after birth has an effect on gender ident–ity or s-exual orientation."[8

    See also the Philadelphia Inquirer review “Gay Gene, Deconstructed”, 12/12/2011. Said review addresses the following “How do genes associated with ho-mose-xuality avoid being weeded out by Darwinian evolution?”

    Of course, those gays who belong to Abrahamic religions supposedly abide by the rules of no adu-ltery or for-nication allowed.

    And because of basic biology differences said monogamous ventures should always be called same-se-x unions not same-se-x marriages.

    From below, on top, backwards, forwards, from this side of the Moon and from the other side too, ga-y s-exual activity is still mutual mas-turbation caused by one or more complex s-exual differences. Some differences are visually obvious in for example the complex maleness of DeGeneres, Billy Jean King and Rosie O'Donnell.

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    May 16, 2012 at 11:39 pm |
  11. A Serpent's Thought

    @ Bet

    "Were you raised by parents of the best kinds or were your parents leaving you to do whatever your heart did desire you to alone do? Were your parets with you every day of your very young life? Did they ever leave you alone and with no one to guiide you along life's corridors? "

    May 16, 2012 at 10:41 pm |
    • Be

      Like I said.....great article.

      May 16, 2012 at 10:43 pm |
    • Bet

      Why don't you go and play with your imaginary friends? Go read your book of fairy tales. Take comfort in your sanctimonious self. Whatever you do, don't admit that you're gay. You might find freedom, and freedom is very scary to the repressed.

      May 17, 2012 at 1:24 am |
  12. Be

    Great article.

    May 16, 2012 at 10:34 pm |
    • skeet sprayer

      Didn't read the article, with these hilarious comments section.

      May 16, 2012 at 10:36 pm |
  13. skeet sprayer

    These posts are the best. Free entertainment. I am god.

    May 16, 2012 at 10:33 pm |
  14. Wayne

    Reblogged this on luvsiesous and commented:
    In fairness, I report on the opposition.

    And this opposer, is a poser. Like many he claims the Bible supports his POV. But, he cannot give a verse to support his lies.

    Yes. He lies about the Bible.

    Was I impressed?

    NO.

    Where you?

    Wayne

    May 16, 2012 at 9:58 pm |
  15. Voice of Reason

    @A Serpent's Thought

    It is as plain as that ugly nose on your face that you are an ugly person inside. You are a twisted, perverted individual with a p*enis fixation. It is quite obvious that you have gay issues that you are troubled with. Get some counseling and be proud that you are gay, there's not a darn thing wrong with it.

    May 16, 2012 at 9:11 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      exactly what i've been telling Serpent. it's very sad when closeted g.ays are h.omophobic. Serpent probably cries himself to sleep after he m.asturbates to g.ay p.orn every night.

      don't be ashamed. nothing wrong with being g.ay. go buy yourself a rainbow flag and fly it high!!!

      May 16, 2012 at 9:59 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      I guess the serpent should wear the gay flag as his magic underwear!

      May 16, 2012 at 10:03 pm |
    • A Serpent's Thought

      @ Voice of Reason

      Who died and left you holding my baggie of balls? Your dearly departed did? So sorry to hear that.

      Yes, I do have an issue against all LBGT's! They are all sap-suckers and they all could care less if the world becomes united under the Chinese flag! A few billion Chinese folks all eyeing our lands for their needs is a really scarey thought! And all these dipstickers have to talk about is a person who they attempt to make a dipstick jokester;- all for their own playmated amusements! You are all Sons of B.i.t.c.h.e.s and b.a.s.t.a.r.d.children! Fvck off don't yas all! Free,,, Free at last! I'm finally free!

      May 16, 2012 at 10:57 pm |
    • A Serpent's Thought

      @ Bootyfunk

      Stick your own dippity-due-dah in someone elses ass and leave my dipstick and my ass the fvuck alone you girlie boys! What's a mtter with you fruit of the looms? To much in love with your sensualistc p.r.i.c.k.s and don't want to see them get wasted away to the points where you need a pill to get it up?

      May 16, 2012 at 11:09 pm |
  16. Andy V

    This is a beautiful article. I'm an agnostic and even I don't believe the bible is as hateful as many make it seem. Well done

    May 16, 2012 at 8:21 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      Andy, you have not read the bible. the bible supports slavery. the bible says to kill g.ays, non-virgin brides, disobedient children and anyone working on the weekend. most people that haven't read the bible have no idea what it says. they only know the party cherry picked for review on sundays at church. study after study shows that atheists have more knowledge of the bible than the christians that claim to lead their life by it.

      Leviticus 20:13
      King James Version (KJV)
      13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

      still think the bible is all about warm fuzzy feelings?

      May 16, 2012 at 8:48 pm |
    • William Pelegrini

      bootyfunk
      you are just a disgusting person who tried to bribe God asking him stuff

      and now you are this well of resentment, lie and arrogance.
      get a grip. the earth is flat, kill gays, slavery....you really think your delusion will convince people? they know how to read moron

      May 16, 2012 at 8:58 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      william, you obviously haven't read the bible either. i quoted the passage saying to kill g.ays above, but you still say it's not in the bible? LOL. you are a mindless sheep. did you bother to look up anything i said? nothing i said is a lie.

      also, i'm very happy. i have a lovely fiance and i live on maui. i surf every other day and love my life. dropping the christian fairy tale is one of the most liberating experiences a person can have.

      throw out your insults, i'll throw some back. but answer my charge - read the bible from cover to cover as i have and tell me it doesn't say those horrible things. and there's lots more evil and disgust in that book than what i have mentioned.

      May 16, 2012 at 9:02 pm |
    • Bob

      Bootyfunk is entirely correct that the bible has a lot of nasty stuff in it, mostly in the form of demands purportedly by god for humans to do some pretty evil stuff. For example:

      Numbers 31:17-18
      17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
      18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

      Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

      Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

      Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus is claimed in the bible to have said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

      And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

      So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

      Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
      http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

      May 16, 2012 at 9:35 pm |
    • Bet

      @ serpent

      Oh, never mind. While I was typing my last post, you were typing another rant about sodomy. I can't be bothered with someone who hasn't progressed past the toddler stage of poo poo fascination.

      May 16, 2012 at 9:41 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      @Bob
      great post! thanks for backing me up, bro.

      May 16, 2012 at 9:52 pm |
    • mema

      Bfunk- what good does it do for an atheist to know more about the bible? In fact if in case what they know turns out to be true, as in maybe their is a God, then their accountabilty will be so high that there will be very little chance for any forgiveness! You see God judges those who do not know of him with a different set of standards as they are unknowingly sinning. There are many things in the bible like slavery, but you obviously know nothing about the bible youself as you would understand what that slavery actually envolved. So yes one may know scripture, even all by heart,

      May 16, 2012 at 11:51 pm |
    • mema

      ...but do they have an understanding of scripture. Most likely not! This is because the bible teaches that if ones heart is set against it, no insight will be given. So read till your hearts content.

      May 16, 2012 at 11:54 pm |
  17. Religion is sofa king stupid

    Not only are there tons of religeons that can't agree on anything, each one has many sub sets who pick and choose what the get to "believe" in and use it to benefit themselves, while completely ignoring other parts. Religion is absurd to begin with, but when you seem them squabbling amongst themselves, fighting over whose is best, it takes the stupidity to a different level. Fvck religion don't be a sheep, free yourself the sham that is "God"

    May 16, 2012 at 7:48 pm |
    • A Serpent's Thought

      Free yourself? From religion? What else is their to be a part of? The LBGT crowds? No fracking way! Two fruits does a pervert make and I sure as hell ain't gonna be a fruit of the loom player!

      May 16, 2012 at 8:07 pm |
    • Religion is sofa king stupid

      "what else is there to be a part of?" He asks...

      Need I say more people. Look at the human inadvertently admit its a sheep.

      May 16, 2012 at 8:22 pm |
    • GodPot

      " I sure as hell ain't gonna be a fruit of the loom player!"

      You know you didn't have to paint your skin black to vote for their civil rights.

      No one is forcing you to be gay, they just want to have the same rights as you enjoy.

      May 16, 2012 at 8:35 pm |
    • jungleboo

      Yeah, serpent, you have finally revealed the heart of the matter. Religious folks are so deeply afraid of life that they hide themselves in a security blanket that obfuscates all the wonderful things that Life has to offer, and further, goes on to promise an eternal reward that will be better than the very experience of being alive!

      From your post, I see clearly now how scared you all are. Keep your head in the Book, keep your head in the ancient past, keep your head in church buildings, keep your head in Christian broadcasting, keep your head in Christian business directories, keep your head in some "promised" future reward.

      Go on with yourself. Ignore the Now. You will have missed the best part. But your post reveals how disgusted you are with the finest gift ever conceived.

      May 16, 2012 at 8:38 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      serpent, did your mom fall down several flights of stairs when she was pregnant with you?

      May 16, 2012 at 8:50 pm |
    • A Serpent's Thought

      @ GodPot

      I will do no such thing GodPot! Give those fruit of the loom players an inch and they want the rest of the world to be their playgrounds! It's just now becoming a USA thing for fruit of the loom players to pick away at the normal crowds much the same way Hitler's youths did before Hitler became their leader and we know how that ended up don't we? Too bad really. Now we are staring at China and are being their markets forraginging venues and their givers of our earned money we are! I can be very thankful to God for not being given any children of which desparate dealings would be in store for them! I am so very sorry for all the other children's Lives! Be merciful Oh China and in your spremecies be kind to all the children for their sakes!

      May 16, 2012 at 8:53 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      "spremecies"

      you sound like a dumber don king making up words.

      pro tip: when there's a red, squiggly line under a word, it often means it's not really a word.

      May 16, 2012 at 8:57 pm |
    • A Serpent's Thought

      @ jungleboo

      "Yeah, serpent, you have finally revealed the heart of the matter. Religious folks are so deeply afraid of life that they hide themselves in a security blanket that obfuscates all the wonderful things that Life has to offer, and further, goes on to promise an eternal reward that will be better than the very experience of being alive!"

      Deeply afraid of Life you say? Yes I am afraid of its' viled and wicked ongoings that are taking the whole USA down the slippey slopes of sodomy through many sodomites' wanton and willful agenda for creating a whole world full of copycat fruit of the loom believers whose only card is that of dipstick "cardiographies"! I could care less one way or the other if there is or isn't an afterlife! I see the USA bowing the the ilks of pervertedness of ALL S.E.X.U.A.L.I.S.M.S, (such as dipstick males to male annointings) in all its' avenues toward all going to Hell in the fruitted looms' backpockets!

      "From your post, I see clearly now how scared you all are. Keep your head in the Book, keep your head in the ancient past, keep your head in church buildings, keep your head in Christian broadcasting, keep your head in Christian business directories, keep your head in some "promised" future reward."

      I could care less about what my Life will come when I die! Scared? Not about me am I scared but for the rest of thisw world's chidren I am really scared for! I can speak my parts as to why I condemn the gay crowds here within the USA! They are nothing but a bunch of misfit kids all wanting their piece however they can get it! You are all Fracking up the USA with your perversionists clamorings to allow even the very young to consider their yet misunderstood s.e.x.u.a.l.i.s.m.s! In the very young will come the fruitedness of growing youths who will one day become that which their fathers do hate! A nation full of fruit of the loom people who care not for he normalcies that their fathers once enjoyed!

      "Go on with yourself. Ignore the Now. You will have missed the best part. But your post reveals how disgusted you are with the finest gift ever conceived"

      The finest gift ever received is a world free of perverseness and unwanted and unpardonable S.E.X ACTS and perverse actions! I have missed nothing! I have seen everything and I do not condone the way(s) this land of the United States of the Americas is so heading towards! Go ahead you fruits of the looms! Make this world to be a world of sodomites! I am not afraid, yet, I am angry as hell for such a thing to be dealt to the USA!

      May 16, 2012 at 9:36 pm |
    • Bet

      @ serpent

      There are a lot of things to be part of besides religion. I'm a scientist, a published writer, I have a daily column, I paint and write music, I have many, many good friends. It's so sad to me that you feel that religion is the only thing meaningful for humans. It's not real, it's a fairy tale. It's very easy to be a follower, much, much more difficult to think for yourself.

      May 16, 2012 at 9:38 pm |
    • A Serpent's Thought

      @ Bootyfunk

      "spremecies"

      Well gooy two shoes, I forgot the fricking U! Supremecies! There, ya happy now ya clown of puke?

      May 16, 2012 at 9:42 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      @serpent
      you have so many typos it makes it hard to understand you. also, you're thoughts are incoherent and without logic.

      pro tip: when you're done writing, look at the screen before hitting "post". if you see red lines, correct yourself.

      ass clown.

      May 16, 2012 at 9:55 pm |
    • A Serpent's Thought

      @ Bet

      Scientist? Have you solved any scientific riddles as yet? Still working on them? It seems you were dealt a "full deck" so to write! Goodly parents possibly? Why aren't all parents well adjusted and raise their kids up to be major players then? Yes, I know! In the end one is to be either played or be a player! If being a player means to become a fruit of the loom candidate, you can count me out! I would rather go on bailing away in my own ship with holes than to jummp aboard a bigger ship with even bigger holes! Got it? Is my point any closer or do you need a magnifying glass in which to see the cracks in Life's abandnment sakes?

      May 16, 2012 at 9:57 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      serpent, are you drunk? or on pain meds? seriously, write a coherent post. just once, pls.

      May 16, 2012 at 10:01 pm |
    • Bet

      @ serpent

      Actually, yes, I have solved some pretty interesting medical problems. As far as the rest of your post, it is completely incoherent.

      May 16, 2012 at 10:03 pm |
    • Devils dong

      I wish I could fvck you butthole with a broken broom Handel. Then fill a cup with your inner intestinal blood and force you to drink it.

      May 16, 2012 at 10:06 pm |
    • A Serpent's Thought

      @ Bootyfunk

      I'm sorry for my misspellings for my computer has no squggly lines to help me correct my mistakes! My eyesight is poor and I need a magnifying glass to even see with clarity that which I type! Be a good little booty and try not to get the funk in my way when I am barnstorming the pramanades! -)--–> :-) <-–(-

      May 16, 2012 at 10:06 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      As you can see the serpent is going down quick.

      May 16, 2012 at 10:12 pm |
    • A Serpent's Thought

      @ Bet

      So, you slved some major scientific riddle did you? Care to expound and/or tell us about it, or is it hush hush?

      The rest of my rant was, "Were you raised by parents of the best kinds or were your parents leaving you to do whatever your heart did desire you to do? Were your parets with you every day of your very young life? Did they ever leave you alone and with no one to guiide you along life's corridors? "

      May 16, 2012 at 10:19 pm |
    • Devils dong

      You do not need religions rules to guide your life morals to survive life. You need commonsense and logic. Logic can be thought just like religion, except logic makes sense.

      May 16, 2012 at 10:22 pm |
    • Bet

      @serpent I'm sorry about your failing eyesight, but that doesn't explain the complete incoherence of your posts.

      May 16, 2012 at 10:23 pm |
    • Devils dong

      P.s.
      Ra pe it up my niqquas FAQ the crackas in the third eye with your cloud cryer. Bleed tha pusssah. Na mean.

      May 16, 2012 at 10:26 pm |
    • Devils dong

      I did not write that. Maybe "serpernt" has stooped to name stealing...

      May 16, 2012 at 10:28 pm |
    • A Serpent's Thought

      @ Bet

      Quit it with your suck uppityness and answer my questions if we are to carry an objective conversation!

      May 16, 2012 at 10:36 pm |
    • Bet

      @ serpent

      No, it's not a secret, but I don't feel the need to explain myself to you. Suffice it to say that if you have, or know someone who has cancer, you have used my research in your chemo protocol.

      My parents were wonderful. Again, that's all I'm going to say because no matter what, you'll find a way to desecrate it in the name of religion. I wouldn't give you the satisfaction.

      May 16, 2012 at 10:41 pm |
    • Bet

      @ serpent

      I was typing and didn't see your last post with the "suck uppity" comment. Really? No wonder you cling to religion, you have no real ability to relate to other humans at all. Imaginary friends are all you have.

      Maybe if you just admit that you're gay, you'll find a measure of peace in your life. You're one sad, angry, closeted guy.

      May 16, 2012 at 10:47 pm |
  18. Mike Blackadder

    Ok, I admit that I need someone to explain this to me.. What is Daniel talking about when he says, "In the name of Jesus, evangelicals and Catholic bishops make s-e-x the Christian litmus test and are willing to sacrifice the social safety net in return."?

    What does he mean about sacrificing the social safety net?

    May 16, 2012 at 7:35 pm |
    • Eduardo

      He means that christians will vote for people who want to abolish social programs just because they're against gay marriage. Frankly, I don't see how anyone who says they follow the word of christ can oppose welfare, medicare, or any other form of state aid.

      May 16, 2012 at 8:51 pm |
    • Mike Blackadder

      Ah, thanks Eduardo, I think you are correct. So he's talking about Republican policies, and/or specifically about Ryan's budget.

      Sometimes the misrepresentations can be a little too subtle to follow without a couple of hints.

      May 16, 2012 at 9:24 pm |
  19. Dave

    Yikes! Theologian? Hardly. That's some pretty sloppy work there...pretty sloppy.

    May 16, 2012 at 7:22 pm |
    • momoya

      Why?? Because he doesn't agree with you?? Too bad your bible doesn't provide you a sure-fire method of proving which interpretation/doctrine of scripture is more accurate than another.. Even math and chemistry have such methods.. With you guys, it's just more of "nuh-uh! ur wronnggg, and I'm rite!!" You got nothing else.

      May 16, 2012 at 7:27 pm |
    • BamaDaniel

      The Bible says the fallen taught man star math and chemistry and agriculture and black magic and sorcery . Maybe one or two is true maybe none are ,but were did we learn it

      May 16, 2012 at 8:24 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      "The Bible says the fallen taught man star math and chemistry and agriculture"

      where in the bible exactly does it say these things? chapter and verse, pls.

      May 16, 2012 at 8:54 pm |
    • danielwalldammit

      This conclusionary statement brought to you by...

      May 17, 2012 at 12:09 am |
    • Cq

      momoya
      There's a lot of one line dismissals of the author's conclusions, and all they have an argument that runs along the lines of "He doesn't agree with me, and I KNOW I'm right, so he MUST be wrong. No need to examine his case then."

      I haven't read all of the posts, but do you recall any of the critics making a qualified attempt to challenge the Greek word usage, or any other part of the author's scholarly findings? I'm guessing no, but someone may have tried at least. That would be interesting to read.

      May 17, 2012 at 12:10 am |
  20. fred

    The bible says a lot of weird stuff, and it constantly contradicts itself. I don't know why anyone would take it seriously on any subject.

    May 16, 2012 at 6:54 pm |
    • A Serpent's Thought

      @ fred

      Much of the Gospels plays out kinda like a Tv movie does! You have to watch it from beginning to end if one is going to find it enlightening! Still, many people just get to see it only after they do their dirty work which leaves them with a bad taste in their mouth. People like you who see the Bible as being contradictory saw only bits and gragments and not the whole show! Maybe , just maybe if or when a movie producer does a film on the whole Bible will many see the whole truth! Ya think so?

      May 16, 2012 at 7:22 pm |
    • BamaDaniel

      The flood happened science says so .look it up. Just difference of opinion on exactly how and when

      May 16, 2012 at 8:27 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      bamadandiel, you just say anything you want to try to prove your point. the flood definitely did NOT happen. pls site your source, since "science says so." you make yourself look less and less educated every time you post.

      you do realize there is a finite amount of water on earth, that there isn't enough to cover all the land, even if all the ice caps melted, mount everest would not be submerged?

      May 16, 2012 at 8:52 pm |
    • Religion is sofa king stupid

      Yea it happened in one region of the middle east dumb fvck, not the entire world, thus showing that the bible knows no world but ancient middle east. Making the stories and myths that less credible. You pwnd yourself dipsh•t.

      May 16, 2012 at 8:57 pm |
    • Eduardo

      The flood didn't happen. Christian "science" may claim to have proven it, but modern geological science has disproved it time and time again.

      May 16, 2012 at 9:05 pm |
    • Bob

      Looked at in its entirety or in pretty much any section, the bible presents Christian god as a pretty nasty piece of goods. Just look at stuff like this:

      Numbers 31:17-18
      17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
      18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

      Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

      Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

      Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

      And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

      So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

      Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
      http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

      May 16, 2012 at 9:38 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      "So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created" – Satan

      May 17, 2012 at 12:37 pm |
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