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May 17th, 2012
02:51 PM ET

Catholic Church v. Georgetown

(CNN)–CNN's Brian Todd reports on a rebuke to Georgetown University from the Washington Archdiocese over a speech from U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius.

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  1. Hypatia

    Let's see: education and the possibility of a future or the ravings of men in dresses? That's not a hard choice, folks.

    May 20, 2012 at 12:23 pm |
  2. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things
    Proven

    May 18, 2012 at 3:30 pm |
    • Jesus

      You're a proven liar. Prayer doesn’t not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!*!

      May 18, 2012 at 3:32 pm |
  3. William

    There are just so many intelligent people debating this issue for so long how come it has never been resolved? Oh, they intelligent guy on the other side is really stupid! I get it.

    May 18, 2012 at 1:34 pm |
  4. Sue

    Religion and education are naturally in opposition. The former demands that a person not think, and the latter drives a person to think more, and to think more critically (or should).

    May 18, 2012 at 11:21 am |
    • TDJ

      Let me see. I am a professional analyst and researcher. I'm also a devout Catholic. Have you heard of the falacy of generalization? Better check on that, better hit the books. They'll be the best antidote to your prejudiced ignorance.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:37 pm |
    • reddragon

      TDJ... your parents probably forced you into your "devout" catholic ways where a college allows you to chose for yourself... point being.... I'm sure that Sue is thankful for your not judging her and being so saintly in your presuming she was predjudice or ignorant. Bible and it's teachings aren't serving you very well... Read animal farm.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:05 pm |
    • Monica

      Uhhh, last time I checked my western history course it was religion that pushed education. Hmmm....how many of the colleges in this country commenced as religious schools. Your opiniojn may not be founded on fact but I repect it as your opinion.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:15 pm |
    • momoya

      @Monica

      I find it rather telling that so many of the colleges that started out educating according to Western Christianity are now atheistic the whole way through.. Knowledge leads away from ignorant myth that religion thrives on..

      May 18, 2012 at 7:16 pm |
    • momoya

      @TDJ

      Exceptions prove the rule, not the other way around.. The most educated also are the least fanatical.. The correlation between atheism and knowledge gained isn't up for debate.. The many forms of god are what is up for debate, and since god's will and nature isn't as obvious and TESTABLE as math and chemistry, that means any god that might exist is one terrible communicator.. Or else he just wanted to confer math and chemistry clearly, but not anything about his own nature..

      Or maybe he just doesn't care or doesn't exist.. Hmmm.

      May 18, 2012 at 7:19 pm |
  5. JFritz

    When are people living real lives going to stop listening to men in funny hats and antique clothing? Seriously, no birth control? Why let a bunch of "celibate" old men tell anyone how to live life? And for those who still send their kids off to their schools, Are You Crazy? Obviously centuries of familial brainwashing has altered DNA. First there's limbo for your babies, then there isn't. Purgatory–hades light. No meat on Fridays because that's when the fleet came in, then meat again when it didn't matter anymore. Really, REALLY believe god speaks to this guy in the dress? Read history and truly understand why you're asked to take it all on faith. Like anything else, it comes down to money and control.

    May 18, 2012 at 11:03 am |
  6. AGuest9

    It's melting down from within! Bwhahahahaaaaa!

    May 18, 2012 at 6:59 am |
    • reddragon

      I smiled a little too.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:08 pm |
  7. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer really changes things

    May 18, 2012 at 6:36 am |
    • Jesus

      Prayer doesn’t not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!

      May 18, 2012 at 11:01 am |
  8. MASSIVE BALLS

    For anyone thinking about becoming a christian:

    Matthew 5:15-20 (New King James Version)

    New King James Version (NKJV)

    15 Nor do they light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house. 16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven.

    17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

    The probably fictional character "jesus" in the new testament commands believers to obey the old testament in the verses above. Until heaven and earth fall into a big pit or something or whatever, then the law is to be followed. There is no interpretation here folks. It's just what the scripture says. At the time of jesus alleged existence, the only part of the bible that existed and the only thing he could have been referring to is the old testament. Per jesus, you are REQUIRED to obey the laws of the old testament as a christian. You cannot deny jesus' words. If you do, you will roast in the embers of hades. Man, it REALLY sucks to be you right now if you're a christian. By my count, none of you are doing what jesus demands here. : )

    May 18, 2012 at 4:49 am |
    • Reality

      Only for the those interested in a religious update:
      1. origin: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20E1EFE35540C7A8CDDAA0894DA404482

      “New Torah For Modern Minds

      Abraham, the Jewish patriarch, probably never existed. Nor did Moses. The entire Exodus story as recounted in the Bible probably never occurred. The same is true of the tumbling of the walls of Jericho. And David, far from being the fearless king who built Jerusalem into a mighty capital, was more likely a provincial leader whose reputation was later magnified to provide a rallying point for a fledgling nation.

      Such startling propositions – the product of findings by archaeologists digging in Israel and its environs over the last 25 years – have gained wide acceptance among non-Orthodox rabbis. But there has been no attempt to disseminate these ideas or to discuss them with the laity – until now.

      The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, which represents the 1.5 million Conservative Jews in the United States, has just issued a new Torah and commentary, the first for Conservatives in more than 60 years. Called "Etz Hayim" ("Tree of Life" in Hebrew), it offers an interpretation that incorporates the latest findings from archaeology, philology, anthropology and the study of ancient cultures. To the editors who worked on the book, it represents one of the boldest efforts ever to introduce into the religious mainstream a view of the Bible as a human rather than divine docu-ment. “

      prob•a•bly
      Adverb: Almost certainly; as far as one knows or can tell.

      2. Jesus was an illiterate Jewish peasant/carpenter/simple preacher man who suffered from hallucinations (or “mythicizing” from P, M, M, L and J) and who has been characterized anywhere from the Messiah from Nazareth to a mythical character from mythical Nazareth to a ma-mzer from Nazareth (Professor Bruce Chilton, in his book Rabbi Jesus). An-alyses of Jesus’ life by many contemporary NT scholars (e.g. Professors Ludemann, Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen, ) via the NT and related doc-uments have concluded that only about 30% of Jesus' sayings and ways noted in the NT were authentic. The rest being embellishments (e.g. miracles)/hallucinations made/had by the NT authors to impress various Christian, Jewish and Pagan sects.

      The 30% of the NT that is "authentic Jesus" like everything in life was borrowed/plagiarized and/or improved from those who came before. In Jesus' case, it was the ways and sayings of the Babylonians, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, Hitt-ites, Canaanites, OT, John the Baptizer and possibly the ways and sayings of traveling Greek Cynics.

      earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html

      For added "pizzazz", Catholic theologians divided god the singularity into three persons and invented atonement as an added guilt trip for the "pew people" to go along with this trinity of overseers. By doing so, they made god the padre into god the "filicider".

      Current RCC problems:

      Pedophiliac priests, an all-male, mostly white hierarchy, atonement theology and original sin!!!!

      2 b., Luther, Calvin, Joe Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley, Roger Williams, the Great “Babs” et al, founders of Christian-based religions or combination religions also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingie thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immacu-late co-nceptions).

      Current problems:
      Adulterous preachers, pedophiliac clerics, "propheteering/ profiteering" evangelicals and atonement theology,

      3. Mohammed was an illiterate, womanizing, lust and greed-driven, warmongering, hallucinating Arab, who also had embellishing/hallucinating/plagiarizing scribal biographers who not only added "angels" and flying chariots to the koran but also a militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-believers.

      This agenda continues as shown by the ma-ssacre in Mumbai, the as-sas-sinations of Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh, the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the Islamic bombers of the trains in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani “koranics”, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases, the Taliban nut jobs, the Ft. Hood follower of the koran, and the Filipino “koranics”.

      And who funds this muck and stench of terror? The warmongering, Islamic, Shiite terror and torture theocracy of Iran aka the Third Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia.

      Current crises:

      The Sunni-Shiite blood feud and the warmongering, womanizing (11 wives), hallucinating founder.

      4. Hinduism (from an online Hindu site) – "Hinduism cannot be described as an organized religion. It is not founded by any individual. Hinduism is God centered and therefore one can call Hinduism as founded by God, because the answer to the question ‘Who is behind the eternal principles and who makes them work?’ will have to be ‘Cosmic power, Divine power, God’."

      The caste/laborer system, reincarnation and cow worship/reverence are problems when saying a fair and rational God founded Hinduism."

      Current problems:

      The caste system, reincarnation and cow worship/reverence.

      5. Buddhism- "Buddhism began in India about 500 years before the birth of Christ. The people living at that time had become disillusioned with certain beliefs of Hinduism including the caste system, which had grown extremely complex. The number of outcasts (those who did not belong to any particular caste) was continuing to grow."

      "However, in Buddhism, like so many other religions, fanciful stories arose concerning events in the life of the founder, Siddhartha Gautama (fifth century B.C.):"

      Archaeological discoveries have proved, beyond a doubt, his historical character, but apart from the legends we know very little about the circu-mstances of his life. e.g. Buddha by one legend was supposedly talking when he came out of his mother's womb.

      Bottom line: There are many good ways of living but be aware of the hallucinations, embellishments, lies, and myths surrounding the founders and foundations of said rules of life.

      Then, apply the Five F rule: "First Find the Flaws, then Fix the Foundations". And finally there will be religious peace and religious awareness in the world!!!!!

      May 18, 2012 at 9:49 am |
    • a person of the Name

      Been over this time and time again. The old law was changed at Jesus's death/resurection. These post show how much you truely don't understand the Word of God.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:20 pm |
    • Joshua the Agnostic

      Except that Jesus wasn't illiterate. You are assuming this but have zero evidence of it. The Israelite's like the Greeks and Romans had a good educational system. You are confusing him with Mohammed who was confirmed illiterate. Jesus reads from a scroll in the Temple, and has Matthew through Malachi memorized as any Rabbi would at that time.

      Knowing your history is more important than copying and pasting from uneducated people.

      May 18, 2012 at 5:37 pm |
    • Crom

      If Jesus was literate, where are the words he wrote? Surely the son of a god would have rules to write down for the rest of us?

      May 18, 2012 at 7:29 pm |
    • Reality

      The illiteracy of the simple preacher man aka Jesus, as per some contemporary experts:

      From Professor Bruce Chilton's commentary in his book, Rabbi Jesus, An Intimate Biography, p. 99,

      "What Luke misses is that Jesus stood in the synagogue as an illiterate m–amzer (pp. 98-102) in his claim to be the Lord's anointed".

      Note: Luke 4: 16 is a single attestation. No where else in the NT does it say Jesus could read thereby making said passage historically unreliable. (Luke 4:16-24) has been compared to a number of other passage and found to be equivalent with the exception of Luke 4: 16 which is the only passage in the list of equivalents that mentions reading:

      http://wiki.faithfutures.org/index.php?t-itle=022_Prophets_Own_Country (leave out the hyphen in "t-itle" if you access the reference)

      GThom. 31 & P. Oxy. 1.31
      (2) Mark 6:1-6a = Matt 13:53-58
      (3) Luke 4:16-24
      (4) John 4:44

      Professor JD Crossan notes that Jesus was illiterate coming from a landless peasant background, initially a follower of John the Baptist. e.g. The Excavation of Jesus (with Professor Reed), pp 30-31..

      The question of Jesus's literacy has also been much discussed by the Jesus Seminar and others and they note that references in the Gospels to Jesus reading and writing may well be fictions.

      The only Gospel reference to Jesus writing is John 8:6 in the Pericope Adulterae, widely considered a later addition, where it is not even clear he is forming letters in the dust, and the Greek "εγραφεν" could equally mean he was drawing.

      Luke 2: 41-52, the twelve year old Jesus in the temple- As per Professor Gerd Ludemann in his book, Jesus After 2000 Years, p. 275, " the episode is unhistorical" (again, a single attestaion). See also http://wiki.faithfutures.org/index.php?ti-tle=433_Jesus_at_Twelve

      It is very unfortunate that Jesus was illiterate for it resulted in many gospels and epistles being written years after his death by non-witnesses. This resulted in significant differences in said gospels and epistles and with many embellishments to raise Jesus to the level of a deity to compete with the Roman gods and emperors. See Raymond Brown's book, An Introduction to the New Testament, (Luke 4:16 note on p. 237) for an exhaustive review of the true writers of the gospels and epistles.

      Of course, Muslims believe that Mohammed was also illiterate. This way, they can claim that the only way he could have received the "angelic", koranic passages of death to all infidels and Islamic domination of the globe by any means, was orally since he could not read and write.

      May 19, 2012 at 8:41 am |
  9. MASSIVE BALLS

    I hope the vatican burns to the ground.

    May 18, 2012 at 3:25 am |
    • Sortakinda

      That is what is known as a curse, I.e., calling down evil on a person, place or thing. You should have that ailment looked at. It may be affecting your thought processes.

      May 18, 2012 at 10:17 am |
  10. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    May 17, 2012 at 8:59 pm |
    • Porthos01

      Do you get paid per post?

      May 17, 2012 at 10:51 pm |
    • AGuest9

      Secretly works for CNN to increase clicks.

      May 18, 2012 at 7:00 am |
    • Jesus

      Prayer doesn’t not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!,

      May 18, 2012 at 11:02 am |
    • Joshua the Agnostic

      Must you two post on every article? Or are you the same being with just nothing better to do?

      May 18, 2012 at 5:41 pm |
    • Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

      Prayer changes things
      Powerful

      May 18, 2012 at 5:57 pm |
  11. The Lonely Grave Of Paula Schultz

    The Catholic Church is really on a rampage, aren't they? Too many years on the defensive with the pedo scandal, and they are out for blood!

    May 17, 2012 at 5:07 pm |
    • Sortakinda

      Where did you ever have the time to develop such poignant insight?

      May 17, 2012 at 6:46 pm |
  12. HS

    Another demonstration of how outdated the Catholic Church is with reality.

    May 17, 2012 at 4:14 pm |
  13. Reality

    ONLY FOR NEW MEMBERS AND THOSE OF THE AGE OF FOURTEEN OR OLDER:

    Condoms are available over the counter. Make the Pill available over the counter and there will be no more debate.

    Planned Parenthood can offer deep discounts for those who say they cannot afford said protection.

    Or better yet, put a pack of condoms and a box of Pills in cereal boxes. Unfortunately, that would not ensure the condoms and/or Pills would be used. Based on Guttmacher Insti-tute data, said condoms and/or Pills are currently not being used as they should. (one million abortions/yr and 19 million cases of S-TDs/yr because either the daily Pill was not taken or a condom stayed in the pocket.)

    Maybe selling Pill-enriched sodas??? Hmmm?

    Condom-fitted briefs for men?? Hmmm? :)

    The door is open for other ideas!!!

    May 17, 2012 at 3:09 pm |
    • Joshua the Agnostic

      I don't want my Dr. Pepper giving me man boobs, but I like that you're being creative!

      May 18, 2012 at 5:45 pm |
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