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Your Take: Rebuttals to rethinking the Bible on homosexuality
What does the Bible really say about homosexuality? Readers responded to a professor's views on the issue.
May 17th, 2012
02:10 PM ET

Your Take: Rebuttals to rethinking the Bible on homosexuality

The Bible clearly condemns homosexuality - and, by extension, same-sex marriage - right?

A guest "My Take" post we ran this week from a college psychology professor who has a background in religion (he was ordained a Roman Catholic priest, for instance) challenged that conventional wisdom.

The professor, Daniel A. Helminiak, argues that foes of same-sex marriage have assigned modern, ethics-laden meanings to biblical passages on homosexuality to make it seem like the Bible unequivocally condemns it. In fact, Helminiak proposes, the original meanings of such passages about gays are at the very least ambiguous.

The piece has generated an avalanche of response: 10,000 Facebook shares, 6,000 comments, 200 tweets and a couple of blog posts.  Giving the other side its say, here's a rebuttal roundup of critical reactions from across the Internet:

Kevin DeYoung, a conservative Christian blogger, calls Helminiak's piece "amazing for including so many bad arguments in so little space." DeYoung, who leads a Reformed Church in Michigan, challenges Helminiak's argument that the biblical tale of Sodom and Gomorrah doesn't condemn homosexuality per se.

"Jude 7 states that Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities 'indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire,' " DeYoung writes.

"Even the NRSV, translation of choice for the mainline (and the version Helminiak seems to be using), says 'pursued unnatural lust,' ” he continues, referring to the New Revised Standard Version of the Bible.

"Clearly, the sins of Sodom lived in infamy not simply because of violent aggression or the lack of hospitality, but because men pursued sex with other men."

DeYoung also takes issue with our guest blogger's argument that the Greek term the New Testament writer Paul uses when describing homosexuality, para physin, has been misconstrued by modern translators to mean "unnatural." Helminiak says that the original term does not contain ethical judgment and should be translated instead as "atypical" or "unusual."

Absurd, says DeYoung. "We know Paul considered same-sex intercourse an ethical violation, and not simply something uncommon. ... (N)otice what Paul goes on to say: 'Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error' (NRSV)."

DeYoung writes, "When you read the whole verse, Helminiak’s 'nonethical' argument becomes implausible. Paul thought homosexuality not just unusual, but wrong, a sinful error deserving of a 'due penalty.' '"

On Facebook, Helminiak’s piece, "My Take: What the Bible really says about homosexuality," provoked a mix of positive and negative response. Some of the latter was very, very negative.

"The following article appeared on the front page of CNN. ... I was so grieved and troubled, I had to respond to the writer," Vince Smith wrote on his Facebook page Thursday. "This is what is most tragic and terrifying about beliefs on homosexuality in this nation.

"When you take Scripture and twist it to 'reinterpet' what it means, and then teach others, you are literally playing with fire ... eternal fire," Smith continued. "I pray that The Lord has mercy on Mr. Helminiak."

Readers' comments on the piece included much criticism, too (although there was plenty of support for Helminiak’s argument).

"Daniel's argument misses the glaringly obvious condemnation of gay sex in the Bible," writes a commenter named Mike Blackadder. "Catholics believe it is a mortal sin when it is premarital, masturbatory, and when we deny the possibility of conceiving children (i.e., through the use of contraceptives).

"Unfortunately, the faith suggests that gay sex falls under the same category as these others and if we interpret differently for gays, then we must accept a new interpretation of these other acts for the same reason," Blackadder writes. "The corollary is that if your faith accepts hetero impurities (such as contraceptives or [masturbation]) but condemns gays, then you may be rightfully accused of hypocrisy."

Many commenters avoided quibbling with Helminiak’s logic, instead taking aim at the piece's very existence.

"Why can't gays leave other people's sacred things alone?" asks a commenter named iqueue120. "Instead of redefining 'marriage,' just call your pervert juncture 'pirripipirripi.' We will grant you and your 'pirripipirripi-other' all the 'rights' that you want.

"You can write your own sacred book, call it, for instance, 'Pirripipirripible,' and make it teach how awesome is 'pirripipirripi,'" this commenter continues. "... All we ask in exchange is that you leave 'marriage' and 'Holy Bible' as they are."

On Twitter, most RTs, or retweets, endorsed the piece, but not all. "Another pastor,"  tweeted @BarbRoyal "trying to pretend the ugly parts out of the Xtian (Christian) bible. ..."

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Bible • Comments • Gay marriage

soundoff (3,580 Responses)
  1. brian

    ppl love to argue. case and point. who goes to an equal rights rally and supports racism? the same ppl who go on here in a bible based topic to knock the bible or God. clowns.

    May 17, 2012 at 11:23 pm |
    • Observer

      Speaking of clowns, if Christians ACTUALLY cared about sin and sinners, they'd be picking on the MUCH MUCH GREATER number of Christian adulterers.

      May 17, 2012 at 11:29 pm |
    • brian

      agreed. but what did Jesus say for us to do? was it no to preach to all the nations? we cant just focus on one particular sin. we have to be focused on EVERYBODY bc we are all sinners no matter wat. im not pickin on gays or adulters. im picking on nobody actually. but just preachin to everybody

      May 17, 2012 at 11:32 pm |
    • Pravda4uToday

      Nah, we just don't go around saying that adultery is right, and create Adultery churches.... and have Adultery pastors... And special civil rights for Adulterers....

      May 17, 2012 at 11:33 pm |
    • Jacob

      Pravda, are you by any chance high at the moment? You're not making much sense.

      May 17, 2012 at 11:51 pm |
  2. Willie

    free thinkers are non thinkers- even non religious must abhor the thought of inserting a vital part into a filthy hole.More importantly-God has made it clear it is the ultimate rebellion against one's maker -Sodom's outcome was same as every sodomite can expect -maybe sooner than you think.

    May 17, 2012 at 11:22 pm |
  3. Jesus Is Lord

    Jesus is the answer. He is the ONLY way to the Father in Heaven. Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, repent, obey and be saved!

    May 17, 2012 at 11:22 pm |
    • YeahRight

      Being gay isn't a sin so let them have their civil rights.

      May 18, 2012 at 10:33 am |
  4. Beep Beep

    Marriage benefits are totally obsolete. We don't need more children, which these benefits were designed to encourage, and we certainly don't need to waste our money on gays (they are already costing us plenty for the HIV/AIDS treatments!).

    May 17, 2012 at 11:19 pm |
    • BamaDaniel

      Beep with you on the gay thing but no kids no future

      May 17, 2012 at 11:24 pm |
  5. Reality

    ONLY FOR THE NEWCOMERS–-–>>>>

    Because of the basic biological differences, said monogamous ventures should always be called same-se-x unions not same-se-x marriages.

    To wit:

    From below, on top, backwards, forwards, from this side of the Moon and from the other side too, ga-y s-exual activity is still mutual mas-turbation caused by one or more complex s-exual differences. Some differences are visually obvious in for example the complex maleness of DeGeneres, Billy Jean King and Rosie O'Donnell.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    =============================================================================================

    May 17, 2012 at 11:15 pm |
    • BamaDaniel

      I thought those three were men .they ugly

      May 17, 2012 at 11:17 pm |
    • A newcomer

      why can't you write sex? sure complex male characters like rosie o and ellen d are having 'it' all the time.

      May 17, 2012 at 11:18 pm |
    • Reality

      You can write "se-x" if you use special coding. If not, you must split the word to defeat the inane word/fragment filter used by the moderators:

      To wit:

      • The moderators of this blog have set up a secret forbidden word filter which unfortunately not only will delete or put your comment in the dreaded "waiting for moderation" category but also will do the same to words having fragments of these words. For example, "t-it" is in the set but the filter will also pick up words like Hitt-ite, t-itle, beati-tude, practi-tioner and const-tution. Then there are words like "an-al" thereby flagging words like an-alysis and "c-um" flagging acc-umulate or doc-ument. And there is also "r-a-pe", “a-pe” and “gra-pe”, "s-ex", and "hom-ose-xual". You would think that the moderators would have corrected this by now considering the number of times this has been commented on but they have not. To be safe, I typically add hyphens in any word that said filter might judge "of-fensive".

      • Make sure the web address does not have any forbidden word or fragment.

      Sum Dude routinely updates the list of forbidden words/fragments.

      Two of the most filtered words are those containing the fragments "t-it" and "c-um". To quickly check your comments for these fragments, click on "Edit" on the Tool Bar and then "Find" on the menu. Add a fragment (without hyphens) one at a time in the "Find" slot and the offending fragment will be highlighted in your comments before you hit the Post button. Hyphenate the fragment(s) and then hit Post. And remember more than one full web address will also gain a "Waiting for Moderation".
      Zeb’s alphabetical listing

      o “bad letter combinations / words to avoid if you want to get past the CNN "awaiting moderation" filter:
      Many, if not most, are buried within other words, so use your imagination.
      You can use dashes, spaces, or other characters to modify the "offending" letter combinations.
      --–
      ar-se.....as in Car-se, etc.
      ba-stard
      co-ck.....as in co-ckatiel, co-ckatrice, co-ckleshell, co-ckles, lubco-ck, etc.
      co-on.....as in rac-oon, coc-oon, etc.
      cu-m......as in doc-ument, accu-mulate, circu-mnavigate, circu-mstances, cu-mbersome, cuc-umber, etc.
      cu-nt.....as in Scu-ntthorpe, a city in the UK famous for having problems with filters...!
      do-uche
      ef-fing...as in ef-fing filter
      ft-w......as in soft-ware, delft-ware, swift-water, etc.
      fu-ck......!
      ho-mo.....as in ho-mo sapiens or ho-mose-xual, ho-mogenous, etc.
      ho-rny....as in tho-rny, etc.
      jacka-ss...yet "ass" is allowed by itself.....
      ja-p......as in j-apanese, ja-pan, j-ape, etc.
      ji-sm
      koo-ch....as in koo-chie koo..!
      nip-ple
      pi-s......as in pi-stol, lapi-s, pi-ssed, therapi-st, etc.
      pr-ick....as in pri-ckling, pri-ckles, etc.
      ra-pe.....as in scra-pe, tra-peze, gr-ape, thera-peutic, sara-pe, etc.
      se-x......as in Ess-ex, s-exual, etc.
      sh-@t.....but shat is okay – don't use the @ symbol there.
      sh-it
      sl-ut
      sn-atch
      sp-ic.....as in disp-icable, hosp-ice, consp-icuous, susp-icious, sp-icule, sp-ice, etc.
      ti-t......as in const-itution, att-itude, ent-ities, alt-itude, beat-itude, etc.
      tw-at.....as in wristw-atch, nightw-atchman, etc.
      va-g......as in extrava-gant, va-gina, va-grant, va-gue, sava-ge, etc.
      who-re....as in who're you kidding / don't forget to put in that apostrophe!
      wt-f....also!!!!!!!

      There are more, some of them considered "racist", so do not assume that this list is complete.
      -–
      Allowed words / not blocked at all:
      anal
      anus
      ass
      boob
      crap
      damn
      execute
      hell
      kill
      masturbation
      murder
      penis
      pubic
      raping (ra-pe is not ok)
      shat (sh-@t is not ok)
      sphincter
      testes
      testicles

      The CNN / WordPress filter also filters your EMAIL address and NAME as well – so you might want to check those.

      May 18, 2012 at 9:54 am |
  6. Pravda4uToday

    People I think Jesus wrapped this whole debate up ages ago then he said, "Neither do I condemn you, go now and leave your life of sin". If you want to be gay, go be gay, that is your choice. But stop trying to twist the Bible into saying something that it does not. Why does what the Bible say bother you that much anyways? Many of you are atheists and don't believe it anyways...

    May 17, 2012 at 11:14 pm |
    • sybaris

      It bothers us because politicians and special religious interest groups don't believe as your alleged Jesus man believed and want to control the population based on their book of fantasies. Here's a recent example, you might remember it well, I know a lot of Iraqi families do.............George Bush believed by his god that invading Iraq was the right thing to do. We really don't need people in powerful political positions basing their decisions on imaginary sky daddies.

      May 17, 2012 at 11:18 pm |
    • Jacob

      We care what it says when we see certain ignorant religious types using it to justify their bigotry.

      May 17, 2012 at 11:20 pm |
    • Observer

      No one believes every word of the Bible. They just pick and choose whatever they like and ignor the rest.

      That's why there are so many Christian HYPOCRITES who ignor commands to not judge others and to support the Golden Rule and then they choose passages to promote hatred.

      May 17, 2012 at 11:20 pm |
    • BamaDaniel

      He didn't believe that .it was green grass for the sheep

      May 17, 2012 at 11:21 pm |
    • Pravda4uToday

      Neither do we need people who worship their minds and intellect trying to lay out a moral course for our nation.Atheism is a religion just as any other religion. You have your evangelists, you intellect is your god, and what you call knowledge is your gospel. But you get to decide for yourself what is right and wrong. So who sets the morality level?

      May 17, 2012 at 11:21 pm |
    • Jacob

      Good grief. Your cliches are getting more predictable. Do you have anything remotely intelligent to offer?

      May 17, 2012 at 11:25 pm |
    • Pravda4uToday

      Coming from a bible "student" who thinks the KJV is more accurate than the NIV. You have already lost all credibility...

      May 17, 2012 at 11:28 pm |
    • realist

      Atheism is not a religion!
      Morality comes from society. Do you believe slavery is moral? Many christians did not so long ago.

      May 17, 2012 at 11:34 pm |
    • Jacob

      I'm not a Bible "student" lad. Can you make an intelligent comment or should we just assume you're an idiot?

      May 17, 2012 at 11:42 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "But stop trying to twist the Bible into saying something that it does not"

      Nowhere in your bible does your god condemn the saved loving respectful relationship of a gay couple. They deserve the same civil rights as straights.

      May 18, 2012 at 10:35 am |
  7. Ardian

    The biggest shame in American history and for the Western civilization.

    May 17, 2012 at 11:12 pm |
  8. Colin

    I wonder if the utopian dream below will ever be realized. This is my dream headline from a newspaper.

    LAST CHURCH IN THE USA CLOSES.

    Reuters AAP – The last place of worship the USA officially closed its doors yesterday. The Church of Christ Baptist Church in Tuscaloosa, Alabama held its last service at 10:00 on Sunday morning and was promptly shuttered by its pastor. “While I will be sorry to see a tradition pas.s, I guess it was time to move on,” declared Pastor Kevin Smith, “It saddens me a little, but I can no longer preach things I no longer believe in myself. Also, given that my congregation is elderly and poor, donations are down to a spasmodic trickle.”

    The closure marks the culmination of a dramatic surge in secularism in the USA following the Catholic Church scandals of the early 21st Century. After phone hacking by Rupert Murdoch’s Fox Network revealed that the Pope and virtually all Archbishops were acutely aware of the depth of the pedophilia problem since the 1950s, sweeping new policies were implemented under President Gibbs’ administration (2040-2048).

    Under his “No Mind Left Behind” policy, children were taught science, history, psychology and critical thinking from their first year of school. It was not until they were in their early teens and had a grounding in healthy skepticism and independent thought, that any supernatural belief, such as astrology or religion was allowed to be presented to them. Such beliefs were, of course, almost universally rejected by them.

    As interest in the supernatural has dwindled, the vacated churches, synagogues and mosques in the USA were sold off and the proceeds invested in a fund which, under the XXV Amendment to the US Const.itution, could only be used to further scientific education and environmental awareness and protection. Already the fund has been responsible for returning vast swaths of land to their natural state, in the USA and elsewhere and has largely been credited for ensuring the survival of the tiger, cheetah and mountain gorilla.

    Bibles and The Book of Mormon, which once graced virtually every hotel room in the USA, were replaced with Richard Dawkins’ “The God Delusion.”

    As people have increasingly realized there is no sky-being looking out for us, donations to the Bill and Malinda Gates Foundation, the Red Heart (f/k/a “Red Cross”) and Doctors Without Borders are at an all time high. “Looking back, it’s weird to think of some of the nonsense people believed as late as the early 21st Century,” commented Pastor Smith, as he locked the doors and walked nonchalantly from his church. “I guess you can’t judge them too harshly, though. When you’re taught it from such an early age and then told it’s immoral to even question it, I guess you are easy prey.”

    May 17, 2012 at 11:10 pm |
    • BamaDaniel

      People pay good money to archeologist for biblical artifacts

      May 17, 2012 at 11:14 pm |
    • brian

      um your dream may be sooner than you actually think. all churches will be done away with... its in the scriptures

      And another, a second angel, followed, saying: “She has fallen! Babylon the Great has fallen, she who made all the nations drink of the wine of the anger of her fornication!”
      rev 14:8

      May 17, 2012 at 11:15 pm |
    • Beep Beep

      Bill Gates is an idiot. Mosquito abatement in Africa? So that the children don't die, reproduce, so they can all happily starve to death?

      May 17, 2012 at 11:16 pm |
    • ur

      This has already happend in Afganistan – no more christian churches exist – NONE – and the book "The God Delusion"
      has been replaced by the
      CORAN

      May 17, 2012 at 11:18 pm |
    • BamaDaniel

      Africans starving to death is a charity scam

      May 17, 2012 at 11:19 pm |
    • Colin

      Ïf you look at the barely comprehensible garbage that Wille and Brian post, in their fifth grade English style, you will, perhaps, understand why we atheists think you Christians are pretty stupid.

      May 17, 2012 at 11:26 pm |
    • Dan

      "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." (John 3:16) Serving God is a choice. No one is forced to to love Him. It is my faith in Him and in His Son Jesus Christ, that we can be redeemed and restored to our rightful place with Him. Just be aware that Satan is just as real as God. Satan's objective is to deceive the world and separate us from God in any way he can. Especially with lies. Sin can ultimately be defined as "unbelief, a deliberate rejection of a Biblical truth." So its not just our physical actions that define sin. As long as there is life, there is hope. Please don't give up on your search for the truth. God will never give up on you. (2nd Peter 3:9) ........Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

      May 17, 2012 at 11:52 pm |
  9. tony

    It's amazing what religious people will accept if it's written in the bible, but not if it's written or said somewhere else.

    e.g. Great great grandfather Jose' parted the Gulf of Mexico back in 1824, to walk over to California from Brazil, but only his family was there to see. Some 15th cousins of his great grandchildren have written it up, based on the family legend, so you know it's TRUE!

    May 17, 2012 at 11:09 pm |
  10. brian

    those who dont have the spirit of God cannot understand those who do. plain n simple.

    For who among men knows the things of a man except the spirit of man that is in him? So, too, no one has come to know the things of God, except the spirit of God. 12 Now we received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is from God, that we might know the things that have been kindly given us by God. 13 These things we also speak, not with words taught by human wisdom, but with those taught by [the] spirit, as we combine spiritual [matters] with spiritual [words].
    14 But a physical man does not receive the things of the spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him;
    1 cor 2:11-14

    while we keep our eyes, not on the things seen, but on the things unseen. For the things seen are temporary, but the things unseen are everlasting.
    2 cor 4:18

    May 17, 2012 at 11:08 pm |
    • sqeptiq

      i.e., it doesn't have to make sense if it feels right.

      May 17, 2012 at 11:13 pm |
    • sybaris

      Which god?

      If you had been born and raised in central america centuries ago you'd be spouting off about quetzoacotl.

      Get over yourself.

      Your faith is mostly just a matter of environment, not some divine plan.

      May 17, 2012 at 11:14 pm |
    • Beep Beep

      ...and those that don't take drugs can't possibly understand those that do.

      May 17, 2012 at 11:14 pm |
    • Voxovreeson

      OK Brian...fair enough. And so why, again, should this matter a tiny iota to me? It's a free country, right? So why do those of us who don't see the beauty of God have to put up with those of you who do telling us that we're wrong for not seeing things the way you see them?

      May 17, 2012 at 11:15 pm |
    • brian

      why are you even trying to argue with me then? you think im here to argue? lol. no and i have no problem with any of you for what you believe. its God who has the problem with that. but you dont believe in God. so your simply trying to argue with me in a bible based discussion , where you dont even fit in . shows the kind of person you are .... trouble makers

      May 17, 2012 at 11:18 pm |
    • Voxovreeson

      Brian...dude...I'll argue with you anytime, anywhere. Ever lived in the Holy Land? I have. Have any preachers as brother-in-laws? I do. Any preachers as grandparents? I do. Get over yourself. You're just trying to sell the same crap that everyone else is selling...that we should modify our secular laws to conform with your religious beliefs. Believe what you want, but don't make the rest of us live according to what you think is right and wrong based on your religious beliefs.

      May 17, 2012 at 11:23 pm |
    • brian

      im not trying to make anyone do anything buddy. and like i said, why are u trying to argue with me? im not trying to argue with you. im not trying to change you! relax

      May 17, 2012 at 11:27 pm |
  11. MBCS

    Yes, I agreed with the CNN's policy... so, where's my post?

    May 17, 2012 at 11:07 pm |
    • Fox

      i stole it! he he!

      May 17, 2012 at 11:09 pm |
    • Beep Beep

      You agreed with the wrong policy?

      May 17, 2012 at 11:10 pm |
    • BamaDaniel

      The gay one

      May 17, 2012 at 11:11 pm |
    • Reality

      • The moderators of this blog have set up a secret forbidden word filter which unfortunately not only will delete or put your comment in the dreaded "waiting for moderation" category but also will do the same to words having fragments of these words. For example, "t-it" is in the set but the filter will also pick up words like Hitt-ite, t-itle, beati-tude, practi-tioner and const-tution. Then there are words like "an-al" thereby flagging words like an-alysis and "c-um" flagging acc-umulate or doc-ument. And there is also "r-a-pe", “a-pe” and “gra-pe”, "s-ex", and "hom-ose-xual". You would think that the moderators would have corrected this by now considering the number of times this has been commented on but they have not. To be safe, I typically add hyphens in any word that said filter might judge "of-fensive".

      • Make sure the web address does not have any forbidden word or fragment.

      Sum Dude routinely updates the list of forbidden words/fragments.

      Two of the most filtered words are those containing the fragments "t-it" and "c-um". To quickly check your comments for these fragments, click on "Edit" on the Tool Bar and then "Find" on the menu. Add a fragment (without hyphens) one at a time in the "Find" slot and the offending fragment will be highlighted in your comments before you hit the Post button. Hyphenate the fragment(s) and then hit Post. And remember more than one full web address will also gain a "Waiting for Moderation".
      Zeb’s alphabetical listing

      o “bad letter combinations / words to avoid if you want to get past the CNN "awaiting moderation" filter:
      Many, if not most, are buried within other words, so use your imagination.
      You can use dashes, spaces, or other characters to modify the "offending" letter combinations.
      --–
      ar-se.....as in Car-se, etc.
      ba-stard
      co-ck.....as in co-ckatiel, co-ckatrice, co-ckleshell, co-ckles, lubco-ck, etc.
      co-on.....as in rac-oon, coc-oon, etc.
      cu-m......as in doc-ument, accu-mulate, circu-mnavigate, circu-mstances, cu-mbersome, cuc-umber, etc.
      cu-nt.....as in Scu-ntthorpe, a city in the UK famous for having problems with filters...!
      do-uche
      ef-fing...as in ef-fing filter
      ft-w......as in soft-ware, delft-ware, swift-water, etc.
      fu-ck......!
      ho-mo.....as in ho-mo sapiens or ho-mose-xual, ho-mogenous, etc.
      ho-rny....as in tho-rny, etc.
      jacka-ss...yet "ass" is allowed by itself.....
      ja-p......as in j-apanese, ja-pan, j-ape, etc.
      ji-sm
      koo-ch....as in koo-chie koo..!
      nip-ple
      pi-s......as in pi-stol, lapi-s, pi-ssed, therapi-st, etc.
      pr-ick....as in pri-ckling, pri-ckles, etc.
      ra-pe.....as in scra-pe, tra-peze, gr-ape, thera-peutic, sara-pe, etc.
      se-x......as in Ess-ex, s-exual, etc.
      sh-@t.....but shat is okay – don't use the @ symbol there.
      sh-it
      sl-ut
      sn-atch
      sp-ic.....as in disp-icable, hosp-ice, consp-icuous, susp-icious, sp-icule, sp-ice, etc.
      ti-t......as in const-itution, att-itude, ent-ities, alt-itude, beat-itude, etc.
      tw-at.....as in wristw-atch, nightw-atchman, etc.
      va-g......as in extrava-gant, va-gina, va-grant, va-gue, sava-ge, etc.
      who-re....as in who're you kidding / don't forget to put in that apostrophe!
      wt-f....also!!!!!!!

      There are more, some of them considered "racist", so do not assume that this list is complete.
      -–
      Allowed words / not blocked at all:
      anal
      anus
      ass
      boob
      crap
      damn
      execute
      hell
      kill
      masturbation
      murder
      penis
      pubic
      raping (ra-pe is not ok)
      shat (sh-@t is not ok)
      sphincter
      testes
      testicles

      The CNN / WordPress filter also filters your EMAIL address and NAME as well – so you might want to check those.

      May 17, 2012 at 11:16 pm |
  12. lluna001

    I don't regret much in this life, only the fact I was born at time when man still had such primitive beliefs.
    I hate religions in all their forms for what they have done to humanity.
    When will we be free from such thinking? When will we be able to stand on our own two feet and not
    have the crutch of religion?

    May 17, 2012 at 11:01 pm |
    • Beep Beep

      It starts with you. Educate your children to prevent their religious brainwashing. My kids, and their kids, etc. will never be religious.

      May 17, 2012 at 11:04 pm |
    • BamaDaniel

      When men stop sleeping with men

      May 17, 2012 at 11:04 pm |
    • BamaDaniel

      It's believing in a higher power.not a higher person

      May 17, 2012 at 11:07 pm |
    • Colin

      Agreed, although, as an atheist, it is fun being on the front line of the next big movement.

      May 17, 2012 at 11:08 pm |
    • BamaDaniel

      Frontline get shot first

      May 17, 2012 at 11:10 pm |
    • brian

      man is simply unable to be able to make his own decisions and rule over themselves w long term success. does history not agree? you have the independent view, thats one of satans traps. you really are following satan and you dont even know it

      May 17, 2012 at 11:10 pm |
  13. manofgod

    Pumping sperm into another man's butt does not produce life nor does it have the potential for life. LEVITICUS 18

    May 17, 2012 at 11:00 pm |
    • Beep Beep

      It does produce HIV/AIDS, so it's not all for naught!

      May 17, 2012 at 11:02 pm |
    • BamaDaniel

      And a stank

      May 17, 2012 at 11:03 pm |
    • manbearpig

      Hmmm...must have missed that verse in Leviticus. Are you sure it said "pumping sperm into another man's butt"? These translations are weird...

      May 17, 2012 at 11:05 pm |
    • BamaDaniel

      Paraphrase it like a real man

      May 17, 2012 at 11:09 pm |
    • Observer

      manofgod,

      Neither does it help when a guy does that to a woman.

      Was there any point?

      May 17, 2012 at 11:10 pm |
    • Beep Beep

      It was "Laugh-eticus" he wanted to quote!

      May 17, 2012 at 11:12 pm |
    • sqeptiq

      nor does having your girlfriend go down on you, but it's pretty awesome.

      May 17, 2012 at 11:16 pm |
    • RobertC

      But it is a lot of fun.

      May 17, 2012 at 11:47 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "LEVITICUS 18"

      Leviticus is part of the holiness code and Christians don't follow it today. If they do then women have to marry their rapists. Duh!

      May 18, 2012 at 10:37 am |
  14. d

    does EVERYTHING have to be litigated at a federal level???? This is the problem with BOTH parties.

    May 17, 2012 at 10:59 pm |
  15. d

    IT TAKES JUST AS MUCH FAITH to say there is a God as it does to say there isn't one

    May 17, 2012 at 10:56 pm |
    • sybaris

      evidence?

      May 17, 2012 at 10:58 pm |
    • d

      My evidence is that there is no evidence either way, period.

      May 17, 2012 at 10:59 pm |
    • Beep Beep

      No it doesn't. The atheists believe in reason, logic, evidence and facts. That god doesn't exists follows naturally, if you believe tin those four.

      May 17, 2012 at 11:00 pm |
    • d

      Any 'evidence' you present either way is a product of what some other person said. That's a fact not an opinion.

      May 17, 2012 at 11:01 pm |
    • d

      I'm an engineer – you better believe I believe in evidence, logic, and fact. The truth is that there is no 'evidence' 'logic' or 'fact' to support either claim – both require equal amounts of faith (regardless of which God you believe in).

      That said I am a religious person. I simply recognize this as faith.

      May 17, 2012 at 11:03 pm |
    • ur

      thats your opinion

      May 17, 2012 at 11:04 pm |
    • E!

      It takes just as much faith to say that there are leprechauns as there is to say that there is not.

      It takes just as much faith to say Thor is the real god as it does to say that thor does not exist.

      It takes just as much faith to say that there is a tiny invisible magic wallabbe flying around in your left nostril as it does to say ther is not.

      Do you see the absolute absurdity of your comment yet, or should I keep going?

      May 17, 2012 at 11:04 pm |
    • Colin

      It takes just as much faith to believe there is no

      Shiva
      Kishnu
      Unicorn
      Dragon
      Leprechauns

      that it does to not believe in them

      May 17, 2012 at 11:05 pm |
    • Beep Beep

      d – if there's no reason to believe some nonsense, and there's no evidence/facts to prove otherwise, plus it's extremely improbable to boot, there's no reason to believe it exists. As simple as that.

      May 17, 2012 at 11:07 pm |
    • d

      @E!

      Funny, I hear this argument often (actually calling it an argument is invalid because it's not even close.)

      The difference is those examples have plenty of scientific EVIDENCE supporting their non-existence.

      May 17, 2012 at 11:08 pm |
    • d

      @Colin

      WRONG, there is clear scientific evidence that any one of those don't exist. Here's a hint: read what they are in THE DICTIONARY.

      H

      May 17, 2012 at 11:11 pm |
    • realist

      If you're going to tell me YOUR story is true, then YOU need to show me the evidence.
      I also can't prove that Thor does not exist.
      The religious beliefs of one generation are literary entertainment for the next

      May 17, 2012 at 11:12 pm |
    • brian

      how can you explain the conscience of mankind then? where did it come from and why do we even have it

      May 17, 2012 at 11:13 pm |
    • d

      While you're at it, read the definition of "God" because you clearly haven't done that.

      Then get back to me on the evidence supporting the 'fact' that no God exists.

      May 17, 2012 at 11:15 pm |
    • Colin

      here's a hint D – realize your sky-god is one of 10,000 humans have believed in. You only believe it because you were brought up with it.

      May 17, 2012 at 11:15 pm |
    • E!

      That is a lie: There is no scientific evidence denying their existence. The exact same evidence which strongly implies but does not prove that they do not exist is exactly the same evidence that strongly implies but does not prove that your God does not exist.

      Provide any and all the proof evidence you can that they do not exist, and do make sure that it does not also prove your God does not exist.

      May 17, 2012 at 11:18 pm |
    • realist

      @brian

      religion was invented to explain the unknown.

      May 17, 2012 at 11:19 pm |
    • d

      By definition these are mythological creatures

      May 17, 2012 at 11:19 pm |
    • sqeptiq

      Absence of evidence Is evidence of absence. Or do you accept my belief in leprechauns?

      May 17, 2012 at 11:21 pm |
    • Wow!

      So d, you say you are an engineer, but you somehow think that a dictionary definition is scientific evidence? Really? Are you the engineer on the Happy Pumpkins Halloween Train Ride or something? Seriously, that is a really stupid misunderstanding of what evidence is.

      May 17, 2012 at 11:22 pm |
    • d

      That's a copout. Using the fact that we don't know all things as proof that a God doesn't exist? cmon.

      May 17, 2012 at 11:22 pm |
    • d

      @Wow

      hahaha. Let me tell you something Wow. When you create something, you also need to create a definition for it. If part of that definition is that it's fiction, doesn't that say something about that thing?

      Get a grip

      May 17, 2012 at 11:26 pm |
    • E!

      Better read the definition of "myth' while you are at it, because your God is, by definition, myth.

      May 17, 2012 at 11:27 pm |
    • E!

      Allow me to repeat myself, as you are clearly avioding the core of the issue: Provide any and all the proof evidence you can that they (leprechauns, etc.) do not exist, and do make sure that it does not also prove your God does not exist. Because they do.

      May 17, 2012 at 11:29 pm |
    • d

      @E!

      I'm not defending one person's God or another. I'm defending the definition which athiests so blindly say "There is no God!" to.

      May 17, 2012 at 11:30 pm |
    • Johnny Blammo

      Don't bother, people. There is no point trying to get evidence from a religious person – they have none. All you will get is dishonest argumentation. They are probably not trying to be dishonest, but when you have no evidence, then all you can argue is fallacies. And they grew up in their god illusions, and that depth ofindoctrination starts to see God as self-evident, even though it isn't.

      There just isn't any point in talking to people like d – you will get evasions and fallacies and no evidence. And he will never ever admit that his argument is wrong, no matter how thoroughly you destroy his untenable position.

      Don't waste your time. Go read a good book – Catch-22 is far more enlightening than talking to this clown.

      May 17, 2012 at 11:36 pm |
  16. Crawford

    CNN-Nope, that was NOT my take. You keep referring to 'your' take when it clearly is NOT my take.

    May 17, 2012 at 10:54 pm |
    • Broderick

      Well that was important, Crawford!

      Do drop by and share more of you brane stuff when you thunk it up.

      May 17, 2012 at 10:58 pm |
  17. Beep Beep

    Being gay and joining a church is like being a Jew and joining the Gestapo

    May 17, 2012 at 10:52 pm |
    • Simile Bob

      Being a person who goes to church is like being a moron who goes to a moron place. Exactly like that.

      May 17, 2012 at 10:56 pm |
    • sybaris

      It's also like being christian and majoring in biology or archaeology or paleontology or geology or astronomy. At some point the evidence outweighs the fantasy unless you're adept at cognitive dissonance.

      May 17, 2012 at 10:58 pm |
    • BamaDaniel

      Gay is as natural as giving yourself head.

      May 17, 2012 at 10:58 pm |
    • Beep Beep

      Touche!

      May 17, 2012 at 10:58 pm |
    • LiberalMom

      Not all churches are as closed minded as yours. I feel sorry for your living in such a small narrow world.

      May 17, 2012 at 11:00 pm |
    • sybaris

      I hope you didn't hurt yourself trying BamaDaniel

      May 17, 2012 at 11:00 pm |
    • BamaDaniel

      All of those sciences are found in the bible. Don't say prove it research on your own . Cake cake cake cake

      May 17, 2012 at 11:02 pm |
    • StayinAlive

      Unless you're an Episcopal who not only welcomes gays but ordains them.

      May 17, 2012 at 11:08 pm |
  18. Beep Beep

    I think the gays are in trouble, and the more they push thier silly ways, the more of a backlash they can expect. I'd say take what you got and shut up. Emjoy it while you can, before you get rounded up like a rabit dog!

    May 17, 2012 at 10:51 pm |
    • LiberalMom

      If you're going to spew such stupid vile crap, at least learn how to spell-it is "rabid" not rabit.

      May 17, 2012 at 10:58 pm |
    • PoBoy

      Same thing they said about women and blacks!

      May 17, 2012 at 11:05 pm |
    • Don't be happy...

      I git what yur sayin. I had a rabit dog once. He was great. He'd chase them rabits all round the field. Sadly he got rounded up one day and I haven't seen him since. I wonder if that's gonna happen to all them happy folks everyone's always talkin about.

      May 17, 2012 at 11:17 pm |
  19. ur

    Every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess Jesus Christ is King of Kings and Lord of Lords

    May 17, 2012 at 10:51 pm |
    • Beep Beep

      My knees are already quaking!

      May 17, 2012 at 10:54 pm |
    • Dante

      Pitiful sheep

      May 17, 2012 at 10:58 pm |
    • realist

      will never happen

      May 17, 2012 at 10:59 pm |
    • sqeptiq

      Is that a prediction? When is it going to happen?

      May 17, 2012 at 11:24 pm |
  20. Truth777

    Rebuttals says who? more like rebuttal heathens rethinking the Bible, immoral behavior has been destroying this country, can't wait for you fools to see Gods wrath, don't say we didn't warn you ok? Proverbs 1:25 But you have ignored all my counsel, and would have none of my reproof: I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear comes; When your terror comes as desolation, and your destruction comes as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish comes upon you. Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:

    May 17, 2012 at 10:46 pm |
    • tnfreethinker

      Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.
      Marcus Aurelius

      May 17, 2012 at 10:49 pm |
    • BamaDaniel

      @beep I think that struck a nerve

      May 17, 2012 at 10:49 pm |
    • sybaris

      People who quote Bible verses to bolster their position have no concept of corroborative evidence. They are also too myopic to comprehend that it means nothing to people who don't buy their book of fairy tales in the first place.

      May 17, 2012 at 10:54 pm |
    • Tobie

      What about:
      "Love means living the way God commanded us to live. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is this: Live a life of love."
      – 2 John 1:6 NCV
      Or Romans 8:38-39 "For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons,[a] neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord."
      Or more importantly, Matthew 7:3 "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?"
      Or how about the proverb in which Jesus said that the 2 most important commandments were Love your Lord your God with all your heart, soul, and mind, and love your neighbor as yourself?
      I think you need to think about this love thing @Truth777....

      May 17, 2012 at 10:57 pm |
    • sybaris

      Again Tobie, there is nothing to corroborate your quotes. There's more truth on the back of a soup can than in your book of fantasy.

      May 17, 2012 at 11:06 pm |
    • Perplexed

      So let's get this straight. You don't just believe that bad things will happen to non-believers, you plan to take great joy in their suffering and your life currently is dominated by your gleeful anticipation of their fear and pain? I'm sure Jesus would be very proud of you.

      May 17, 2012 at 11:21 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "more like rebuttal heathens rethinking the Bible, immoral behavior has been destroying this country"

      Actually since Christians murder Native Americans and stole their land, believed in slavery and treated African Americans like dirt, kept women in the home denying them their civil rights, this country has come along way. It actually has become more moral!

      May 18, 2012 at 10:40 am |
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