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Your Take: Rebuttals to rethinking the Bible on homosexuality
What does the Bible really say about homosexuality? Readers responded to a professor's views on the issue.
May 17th, 2012
02:10 PM ET

Your Take: Rebuttals to rethinking the Bible on homosexuality

The Bible clearly condemns homosexuality - and, by extension, same-sex marriage - right?

A guest "My Take" post we ran this week from a college psychology professor who has a background in religion (he was ordained a Roman Catholic priest, for instance) challenged that conventional wisdom.

The professor, Daniel A. Helminiak, argues that foes of same-sex marriage have assigned modern, ethics-laden meanings to biblical passages on homosexuality to make it seem like the Bible unequivocally condemns it. In fact, Helminiak proposes, the original meanings of such passages about gays are at the very least ambiguous.

The piece has generated an avalanche of response: 10,000 Facebook shares, 6,000 comments, 200 tweets and a couple of blog posts.  Giving the other side its say, here's a rebuttal roundup of critical reactions from across the Internet:

Kevin DeYoung, a conservative Christian blogger, calls Helminiak's piece "amazing for including so many bad arguments in so little space." DeYoung, who leads a Reformed Church in Michigan, challenges Helminiak's argument that the biblical tale of Sodom and Gomorrah doesn't condemn homosexuality per se.

"Jude 7 states that Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities 'indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire,' " DeYoung writes.

"Even the NRSV, translation of choice for the mainline (and the version Helminiak seems to be using), says 'pursued unnatural lust,' ” he continues, referring to the New Revised Standard Version of the Bible.

"Clearly, the sins of Sodom lived in infamy not simply because of violent aggression or the lack of hospitality, but because men pursued sex with other men."

DeYoung also takes issue with our guest blogger's argument that the Greek term the New Testament writer Paul uses when describing homosexuality, para physin, has been misconstrued by modern translators to mean "unnatural." Helminiak says that the original term does not contain ethical judgment and should be translated instead as "atypical" or "unusual."

Absurd, says DeYoung. "We know Paul considered same-sex intercourse an ethical violation, and not simply something uncommon. ... (N)otice what Paul goes on to say: 'Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error' (NRSV)."

DeYoung writes, "When you read the whole verse, Helminiak’s 'nonethical' argument becomes implausible. Paul thought homosexuality not just unusual, but wrong, a sinful error deserving of a 'due penalty.' '"

On Facebook, Helminiak’s piece, "My Take: What the Bible really says about homosexuality," provoked a mix of positive and negative response. Some of the latter was very, very negative.

"The following article appeared on the front page of CNN. ... I was so grieved and troubled, I had to respond to the writer," Vince Smith wrote on his Facebook page Thursday. "This is what is most tragic and terrifying about beliefs on homosexuality in this nation.

"When you take Scripture and twist it to 'reinterpet' what it means, and then teach others, you are literally playing with fire ... eternal fire," Smith continued. "I pray that The Lord has mercy on Mr. Helminiak."

Readers' comments on the piece included much criticism, too (although there was plenty of support for Helminiak’s argument).

"Daniel's argument misses the glaringly obvious condemnation of gay sex in the Bible," writes a commenter named Mike Blackadder. "Catholics believe it is a mortal sin when it is premarital, masturbatory, and when we deny the possibility of conceiving children (i.e., through the use of contraceptives).

"Unfortunately, the faith suggests that gay sex falls under the same category as these others and if we interpret differently for gays, then we must accept a new interpretation of these other acts for the same reason," Blackadder writes. "The corollary is that if your faith accepts hetero impurities (such as contraceptives or [masturbation]) but condemns gays, then you may be rightfully accused of hypocrisy."

Many commenters avoided quibbling with Helminiak’s logic, instead taking aim at the piece's very existence.

"Why can't gays leave other people's sacred things alone?" asks a commenter named iqueue120. "Instead of redefining 'marriage,' just call your pervert juncture 'pirripipirripi.' We will grant you and your 'pirripipirripi-other' all the 'rights' that you want.

"You can write your own sacred book, call it, for instance, 'Pirripipirripible,' and make it teach how awesome is 'pirripipirripi,'" this commenter continues. "... All we ask in exchange is that you leave 'marriage' and 'Holy Bible' as they are."

On Twitter, most RTs, or retweets, endorsed the piece, but not all. "Another pastor,"  tweeted @BarbRoyal "trying to pretend the ugly parts out of the Xtian (Christian) bible. ..."

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Bible • Comments • Gay marriage

soundoff (3,580 Responses)
  1. Kandric

    I think it's pretty ridiculous we are using a 2000 year old book to judge moral behavior. Though some of the fundamental lessons of the Christian bible are sound, much of it is outdated hogwash. (I feel old for saying 'hogwash.')

    May 18, 2012 at 1:39 am |
    • Jakey

      and this is because the world is in such a great state right now ? Sucks to have rules to follow doesn't it ? Read the bible then discuss it....

      May 18, 2012 at 1:44 am |
    • Kandric

      I follow rules that make sense. I have read much of the Christian bible, though not all, and most of it is outdated.

      The world is in a much better state now then it was in the Dark Ages (c 1200) when the Catholic Church oppressed the populous with religion. Much of that progress is because of the separation of Church and State. Some of it is because of science. So, please, keep your religion out of my personal life.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:49 am |
    • Wolves

      We have to have a moral standard. Without it, who is to judge what is right and wrong?
      Yourself? By that logic I can rationalize murder because, 'I felt that it was the right thing to do.' Your definition of morality says that my murder was wrong. However, mine says It was right. Who is in the right? Was the murder wrong or not? Plus, we all make mistakes. We all screw up. We're only human right? But that means you are relying on a flawed being to perceive what is right and wrong.
      The Government? I think we all know that the U.S. Government is not a prime example of moral uprightness.
      I rely on that '2000 year old text' because it is 2000 years old. It has withstood the test of time. The Bible is nearly (i say nearly because, of course, it has been translated) the same Bible that was read and written by the Apostles. It is the same Bible that survived persecution, misuse, and misinterpretation. Yes, I base my morals off a 2000 year old book. But only because I admit that I, as a flawed being, cannot be relied upon to say what is right and what is wrong. Because if morality is subjective to the individual, than that means there is no morality. I rely on a being that is higher than myself to say what is right and wrong, because I am imperfect and make mistakes. I want to attempt to adhere to a moral standard that is flawless, and that cannot come from man. I may not be able to reach that standard, but at least i know what i am aiming for.

      May 18, 2012 at 2:32 am |
    • Kandric

      "It has withstood the test of time."
      False. Much of of the Christian bible is no longer followed, including most of Leviticus and everything about slavery. This moral perfection you strive for is partly morally reprehensible.

      "It is the same Bible that survived persecution, misuse, and misinterpretation."
      It's being misused now to take away the rights of others.

      May 18, 2012 at 2:52 am |
    • Wolves

      Christianity is the most popular religion, with nearly 2.1 billion followers. The majority of the Bible is no longer followed? All of those people follow it. Leviticus is mostly about offerings and customs handed down from God to Moses. These customs are still celebrated by Christians AND Jews. Slavery?
      I assume you mean 1 Peter 2:18 " Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh." Yes, this verse used to be used as a way to trick African-American slaves in the South into thinking God wanted them to obey him. HOWEVER this is taken out of context. Here is the full passage.
      " Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human authority: whether to the emperor, as the supreme authority, 14 or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right. 15 For it is God’s will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish people. 16 Live as free people, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as God’s slaves. 17 Show proper respect to everyone, love the family of believers, fear God, honor the emperor.

      18 Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh. 19 For it is commendable if someone bears up under the pain of unjust suffering because they are conscious of God. 20 But how is it to your credit if you receive a beating for doing wrong and endure it? But if you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God. 21 To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps."

      It's a long passage, but it shows that he is talking about submitting yourselves to AUTHORITY. In other words, Christianity is not called to overthrow the U.S. Government. It is also saying that you should obey those who are over you, aka your boss, the President, a cop, etc. Christians aren't told to not obey authority just because we believe in a divine authority. Also, it is saying that Christians may suffer for their beliefs, may suffer under authority, and that God loves us for suffering for Him. Lastly, God is comparing his followers to slaves in the sense that he wants us to be totally obedient to Him.

      And people will always misuse the Bible because it has so much sway over so many. Lots of people misinterpret what it is saying to suit their own needs. Jesus warned against these people. We are to obey what it says, and not listen to the lies spread by those who misuse and misinterpret it, slandering what Jesus preached.

      May 18, 2012 at 3:30 am |
    • Kandric

      Exodus 21:7 – 'When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are."
      Slavery.

      So, when is the last time you sacrificed an unleavened bread to God? Since you follow and respect the traditions in Leviticus. How about the blood of a goat? Have you even read the Christian bible?

      May 18, 2012 at 4:30 am |
  2. len

    The one thing that bothers me most about this issue is that at its root It seems to be a civil rights issue. That two adult Citizens cannot marry if they want to is the issue not what orientation or religion or race. Remember that it really was not too long ago that here in America that it was illegal in many states for blacks and whites to marry and Jews and non Jews .

    May 18, 2012 at 1:37 am |
  3. yourconscience

    All just fulfilling scripture: As it was in the days of Noah, and in the days of Lot. You know what followed. This time it is promised not o be water but fire. You'll remember this post when that time comes. Woe unto you!

    May 18, 2012 at 1:35 am |
    • Bootyfunk

      yawn

      May 18, 2012 at 1:37 am |
    • len

      Ha ha ha thats a good joke. remember this post when you find out the JEWS were right and you were wrong!

      May 18, 2012 at 1:38 am |
    • Wolves

      Oh come on! Let's not tell people they're going to burn in Hell okay? Mark 12:31 b "Love thy neighbor as yourself." Christians don't judge, we love. That's what JESUS said to do!
      John 8:7 "When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.”"
      We are all sinners, therefore we can't judge anyone! We can only love them! It's God's place to judge who has done good in his eyes and who hasn't. Jeez.

      May 18, 2012 at 2:48 am |
  4. MtnMan007

    Just reading through. That's kinda what I expected to see in replies. Thanks anyway.

    May 18, 2012 at 1:27 am |
  5. miguel

    do take into consideration that 99% of the population are technically idiots that can not think for themselves.

    May 18, 2012 at 1:23 am |
    • BamaDaniel

      So true smoke Kush opens the mind

      May 18, 2012 at 1:33 am |
    • Bootyfunk

      we agree there, Daniel.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:34 am |
    • Angel

      I'm a catholic by choice, I have a college education and I can reason for my self, yet my faith is still strong. Yet, I still don't agree with the BIG BANG THEORY? Who are you calling ignorant?

      May 18, 2012 at 1:35 am |
    • jmac121

      the bible does speak of 'wolves in sheeps clothing' ... and – again – Christ, himself, said that not all who claim to be his followers are ... the other writers of the NT also spoke of false teachers and prophets .... please, use some common sense

      May 18, 2012 at 1:35 am |
    • Bootyfunk

      @angel

      is your education from a religious college?

      May 18, 2012 at 1:36 am |
    • Angel

      @ Bootyfunk,
      Negative, Aviation (air traffic control).

      May 18, 2012 at 1:42 am |
  6. n8263

    According to Christianity Hitler is in heaven and Gandhi is in hell.

    Let's consult the Bible to see what it says about homosexuality, maybe it will be rational THIS time!

    May 18, 2012 at 1:18 am |
    • jmac121

      jesus said not all who claimed to be his followers were ... try reading the Bible for yourself

      May 18, 2012 at 1:20 am |
    • Bootyfunk

      the bible instructs its follower to kill lots of different people. perhaps YOU should try reading the bible instead of listening to cherry picked passages on sunday mornings.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:26 am |
    • jmac121

      so tell me, where in the new testament do you see any instruction for killing others ... where do you see Christ speaking into this? and please don't start quoting the OT – out of context – ... there is something called progressive revelation.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:30 am |
    • n8263

      Hitler was a Catholic and never committed an unforgivable sin as far as we know so there is no reason to think he is not in heaven, according to Christianity. He's probably hanging out with Jesus right now laughing it up at Gandhi's expense.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:32 am |
    • jmac121

      the bible does speak of 'wolves in sheeps clothing' ... and – again – Christ, himself, said that not all who claim to be his followers are ... the other writers of the NT also spoke of false teachers and prophets .... please, use some common sense

      btw ... none of us know who is with Christ and who isn't in their final moments ... perhaps gandhi is?

      May 18, 2012 at 1:37 am |
    • n8263

      @jmac, in Matthew 5 Jesus made it perflectly clear that the commandments of the Old Testament must be obeyed until the destruction of Earth.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:39 am |
    • jmac121

      little confused now ... you shifted the conversation completely ... we [you] were saying that hitler was a christian – for whatever reason, oh because he claimed to be catholic, that's right ... so what does this have to do with Matthew 5 or the commandments???

      May 18, 2012 at 1:43 am |
    • n8263

      See jmac's comment about the Old Testament, New Testament and instructions to kill people.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:49 am |
    • jmac121

      i honestly don't mean to be offensive but this is showing a little of your lack of biblical knowledge ... again, progressive revelation ... what did jesus say about 'killing' .... he did speak of 'turning the other cheek, loving your enemies, he did admonish his disciple peter for using a sword on him, he did allow himself to be killed, he did chose to forigve' ... i'm just now seeing anywhere in the NT where followers of christ are called to kill??? please show me ... please show me in the the ten commandments where it instructs on killing ... oh, it does say not to murder

      May 18, 2012 at 1:57 am |
    • Wolves

      Where in the Bible does it say that Hitler is in Heaven and Gandhi in Hell? I never read that passage. Hitler claimed to be a Christian. I can claim to be a Unicorn. I can tell everyone I'm a Unicorn, change my name to Unicorn, and eat nothing but hay but that still doesn't mean I'm a Unicorn. Hitler could say he's a Christian. But seeing as Jesus in Mark 12:31 tells his disciples that the second greatest commandment, after loving God. is to love your neighbor,it shows that Hitler wasn't a true Christian. Jesus taught to love. Hitler killed. So Hitler wasn't following Christ. Therefore he wasn't a Christian, who by definition are followers of the teachings of Jesus Christ!

      May 18, 2012 at 2:06 am |
  7. Douglas

    Matthew 19 defines marriage as the union of one man and one woman. Gay/Lesbian coitus is condemned repeatedly in the Bible, both Old and New Testaments. Celibate gay/lesbian relationships are not condemned. Straights likewise condemn themselves with fornication. Both sins are equally wrong.
    Best, Douglas

    May 18, 2012 at 1:15 am |
    • n8263

      Douglas, what does Santa Claus have to say about homosexuality?

      May 18, 2012 at 1:19 am |
    • BamaDaniel

      Merry Christmas

      May 18, 2012 at 1:22 am |
    • n8263

      Ho ho ho! Santa probably has a more rational definition of what is naughty and nice than Jesus.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:35 am |
    • Kandric

      My government is separate from your church. At least it is supposed to be. Your church can choose to perform ceremonies for whoever it wants to. That's its right.

      The United States Government defines marriage as a legal contract between two consenting adults. I should be able to go to a courthouse, in a civil marriage, sign a contract with another man.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:43 am |
  8. Mr Mark

    1. The Bible was written by men
    2. Those men lived in fear and ignorance
    3. The Bible is make believe
    4. Why anyone gives that crap book an ounce of authority these days is beyond logic

    May 18, 2012 at 1:14 am |
    • jmac121

      wow ... glad you set us all straight with your reasoned points ... guess billions of people over the past two thousand years wished they hadn't wasted their lives ... perhaps I should just give up my relationship with God because you are now the walking authority

      May 18, 2012 at 1:17 am |
    • BamaDaniel

      Prove it was billions

      May 18, 2012 at 1:23 am |
    • Bootyfunk

      jmac, yes, christians have wasted their time and lives worshiping a figment of their imaginations. think of all the other religions that have come before - were they wasting their time? is it only christians that weren't wasting their time? it's all rubbish.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:25 am |
    • lolz

      1. Mark's post was written by a man
      2. Mark lives in fear and ignorance
      3. Mark's post is make believe
      4. Why anyone gives that crap post an ounce of authority these days is beyond logic

      oh, and Mark doesn't understand logic either

      May 18, 2012 at 1:25 am |
    • avdin

      over 2 billion claim Christ today. thats billions in the present. forget the past 2000 years

      May 18, 2012 at 1:26 am |
    • BamaDaniel

      You talked to all of them

      May 18, 2012 at 1:29 am |
    • jmac121

      the funny thing is the 'left' always talks about SCIENCE and FACTS but whenever presented with any the response is often like .... 'have you talked to them all?' or my favorite – name calling lol

      May 18, 2012 at 1:33 am |
    • Bootyfunk

      jmac, what facts have you presented? not sure you know what a "fact" is.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:35 am |
    • jmac121

      you know .... like statistics .... like most saying that currently in the world today there are over 2 billion christians ... not including the past two thousand years .... not including other relgions

      May 18, 2012 at 1:40 am |
    • jmac121

      guess 'booty' doesn't know how to respond to facts/stats?

      May 18, 2012 at 2:02 am |
  9. Jenny

    I think the Bible has a lot of good teachings in it. But the truth is, MEN in history decided which "books" got put into the Bible, and which got left out. MEN, not God. Therefore, how do I know if there might be something else God wants me to know that's not in the Bible? Or vice versa? (I use the general term "Men" because I haven't memorized the details; while I think it was religious leaders who decided which books to gather together to make the Bible, I don't claim to know *specifically* who did the choosing.)

    I also believe firmly that whatever God is like, whatever is spiritually true, it is NOT from hardly, if anything, that I was taught growing up (Catholic). There are WAY too many contradictions in the Bible for me to take it completely literally and at face value. I mean, if God really is omniscent, and has always existed, then he knew 50,000,000,000,000years+infinity before the Earth was made that there was going to be an internet and this article would be written, and we would all be typing these exact comments. Looking at it like that, it just makes me think that there is SO much we don't know, SO much we probably won't ever know, SO much that I really really really WANT to know,.......and that I can't let myself worry about too many specifics, like whether someone is gay or not. Thinking about the big picture like this is fascinating, and it also makes my head spin. So I just end up wanting to be basically a good person, be nice to anyone who is nice to me, whether they're gay, straight, short, tall, etc, and like they say, whatever will be, will be.

    May 18, 2012 at 1:10 am |
    • edwardo

      Nice post Jenny... straight from the heart. Nice!

      May 18, 2012 at 1:14 am |
    • BamaDaniel

      They can be ,just not married in man and woman terms

      May 18, 2012 at 1:17 am |
    • Jenny

      test......I posted a reply, but still don't see it. Wonder if I'll see this one? Forgive me if others see my reply, but I don't see it.....

      May 18, 2012 at 1:44 am |
    • Jenny

      aaaaaaand while I saw my "test" post right away, the re-post with a brief explanation is still NOT there. Huh! I certainly didn't say anything bad or controversial. I have no idea what CNN didn't like about what I typed? Weird.

      Sorry if later on, the other 2 posts are here, and I look silly having replied 4 times......

      May 18, 2012 at 1:49 am |
  10. Phos Phorus

    Whether the Bible says to do something or not, or gives an opinion or not, is completely irrelevant to me. I think that segregating any group of people, or maintaining a prejudice against any group of people is wrong, and I don't care if the Christians' deity called for it or not, or if the Bible called for it or not. It is straight up wrong, and if the Cosmic Fairy of Christianity has a problem with that, it can go shove some dark matter down its black hole!

    May 18, 2012 at 1:04 am |
  11. matt

    God damn CNN – haven't you learned that you should NOT ask people about opinions; it is not NEWS (not that half of your posts are!) when you give people the opportunity to voice their opinion!! there are always gonna be the thumpers !!! STOP asking people what they think, and start REPORTING THE NEWS and letting people form their opinion and then KEEP IT TO THEM SELVES!

    May 18, 2012 at 1:00 am |
  12. edwardo

    And for all of you who claim that HItler was not a Christian:
    a) Hitler was baptized as Roman Catholic during infancy in Austria.

    b) As Hitler approached boyhood he attended a monastery school. (On his way to school young Adolf daily observed a stone arch which was carved with the monastery’s coat of arms bearing a swastika.)

    c) Hitler was a communicant and an altar boy in the Catholic Church.

    d) As a young man he was confirmed as a “soldier of Christ.” His most ardent goal at the time was to become a priest. Hitler writes of his love for the church and clergy: “I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal.” -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
    e) Hitler was NEVER excommunicated nor condemned by his church. Matter of fact the Church felt he was JUST and “avenging for God” in attacking the Jews for they deemed the Semites the killers of Jesus.

    May 18, 2012 at 12:59 am |
    • BamaDaniel

      Another gay Catholic

      May 18, 2012 at 1:01 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      >>>". Matter of fact the Church felt he was JUST and “avenging for God” in attacking the Jews for they deemed the Semites the killers of Jesus."

      ...and his reason for sending the Catholic Priest who stood against him to concentration camps and openly executing some of them outright?

      May 18, 2012 at 1:03 am |
    • edwardo

      @BamaDaniel please don't respond to my posts, unless you have an intellectual comment to make. Something to add.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:03 am |
    • jmac121

      well, it always happens ... at some point people who debate on your side always dwelve into the ridiculous and then there is no point on discussing anymore

      come one ... you think Christ – or his true followers, would endorse hitler's actions? hm, didn't america – who at that time were mostly christian fight against hitler and his twited beliefs ... give me a break

      good night

      May 18, 2012 at 1:04 am |
    • BamaDaniel

      I did

      May 18, 2012 at 1:05 am |
    • edwardo

      @Mark – Hitler would kill anyone he considered a threat in any way. Hitler’s anti-Semitism grew out of his Christian education. Austria and Germany were majorly Christian during his time and they held the belief that Jews were an inferior status to Aryan Christians. The Christians blamed the Jews for the killing of Jesus. Jewish hatred did not actually spring from Hitler, it came from the preaching of Catholic priests and Protestant ministers throughout Germany for hundreds of years. The Protestant leader, Martin Luther, himself, held a livid hatred for Jews and their Jewish religion. In his book, “On the Jews and their Lies,” Luther set the standard for Jewish hatred in Protestant Germany up until World War 2. Hitler expressed a great admiration for Martin Luther constantly quoting his works and beliefs.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:05 am |
    • edwardo

      Good night... Looks like someone's limping off to bed defeated.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:08 am |
    • BamaDaniel

      What your butt got beat

      May 18, 2012 at 1:09 am |
    • edwardo

      @BamaDaniel – Don't take me on! You are not intellectual enough to challenge me. I've read your posts, and you are dim witted.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:12 am |
    • jmac121

      you have a twisted sense of victory, my friend ... i just gave you more credit for our discussions, then you went into crazy land somehow connecting Christ enorsing hitler ... and have realized you have run out of constructive debate

      May 18, 2012 at 1:15 am |
    • edwardo

      @Jmac – Are you saying what I posted is a lie? It is a fact ! Google it. I did. I put the bible down, and started studying what was going on around me. If you don't believe me, Google it. I didn't make it up. The truth hurts. I had a hard time believing it myself. HIstory doesn't lie. And neither did I.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:18 am |
    • BamaDaniel

      Nah buddy those just the gay jokes and my God saiders. You ain't natural and I'm shaking over here

      May 18, 2012 at 1:20 am |
    • edwardo

      @Jmac – Quot from Adolph: We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.” -Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933 [This statement clearly refutes modern Christians who claim Hitler as favoring atheism. Hitler wanted to form a society in which ALL people worshipped Jesus and considered any questioning of such to be heresy. The Holocaust was like a modern inquisition, killing all who did not accept Jesus. Though more Jews were killed then any other it should be noted that MANY ARYAN pagans and atheists were murdered for their non-belief in Christ.]

      May 18, 2012 at 1:20 am |
    • edwardo

      @BamaDaniel – you speak in riddles and incomplete sentences. It's past your bed time.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:22 am |
    • Bootyfunk

      Edwardo is exactly correct. hitler was a catholic. he was killing the killers of the messiah. he mentioned god many times in his book, Mein Kampf, as well as in speeches, letters and other doc.uments.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:22 am |
    • jmac121

      i think you have been hurt – disillusioned somewhere along the way and that sucks

      i have seen and read lots – outside the Bible ... i would also be careful 'citing' google ... not sure this woud pass as a credible source

      there are lots of people – like police officers who have the training, wear the uniforms, and patrol the streets but are abusive and twisted and should be anything but officers .... but, there are also lots of good police officers too ... what amazes me is that no one – including cnn – want to talk about all the christians who everyday feed the starving, visit the inmates, support the sick and serve our country ... please, use some logic and don't stereotype

      May 18, 2012 at 1:25 am |
    • BamaDaniel

      @ Kush make me do it

      May 18, 2012 at 1:27 am |
    • edwardo

      @Jmac – And there are good gay people too! We are also cops, soldiers, tax payers. I go to work everyday. I work hard, and raise 2 children who were abandoned by their druggie parents. When was the last time an athiest told you they worship someone who plans to send you to an eternal lake of fire?

      May 18, 2012 at 1:29 am |
    • len

      how true, and christians by and large did nothing to stop the holocaust (and not just to jews but a LOT of other people)

      May 18, 2012 at 1:30 am |
    • BamaDaniel

      @eddiemonster lake of fire for the fallen not man.man added that later.PS kids shouldn't see two men kiss

      May 18, 2012 at 1:32 am |
    • Nat

      @edwardo I see where you're coming from but I must disagree. Hitler may have thought himself to be a Christian, but he was not one at all. A true Christian would have never done what he did or made others do. Also, the reason the Catholic Church did not condemn him was because they feared him. Vatican City is in Rome, which is in Italy. At the time, Italy was ruled by a harsh fascist regime that was a close ally to Germany during WW2. The Vatican and all it's inhabitants would have been slaughtered if they had lifted a finger against Hitler.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:33 am |
    • BamaDaniel

      @ Nat real believers would have died for their beliefs.money scam

      May 18, 2012 at 1:42 am |
    • Bootyfunk

      guess you must think some of the popes weren't christians? they green lighted the crusades, in which hundreds of thousands of people were killed/murdered. also there's the inquisition and witch burnings.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:42 am |
    • jmac121

      edwardo

      i did not stereotype you – saying you were like hitler. I also never said that gay people were not equally good people ... what's your point?

      May 18, 2012 at 1:45 am |
    • Nat

      I am not a Catholic, nor do I agree with people's interpretations that the Bible says to condemn gays. I believe gays should be allowed to live as Americans, with the rights to marry and love whomever they want, free of legal difficulties and ridicule. I am, however, a Christian and I have faith in Jesus Christ.

      Having cleared all that up, I'll respond to your posts.

      @Bama Not sure what you mean by money scam, but I agree that martyrdom is something a real Christian would accept as their fate. I think (and I can't say for sure because I wasn't there) that those who condemned the holocaust were themselves executed. Those who agreed with it were not true Christians and were not executed because they valued their earthly possessions and not a heavenly eternity.

      @Bootyfunk Like I said, I'm not Catholic. On top of that, I don't think the crusades were what God wanted at all and I do not believe that they were appropriate ways of glorifying God. Man is corrupt in nature, so I wouldn't be surprised if some of the past Popes weren't actually Christians at all and instead had more personal or economic reasons for making the decisions they did.

      May 18, 2012 at 2:01 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      Hi Edwardo. Hitlers anger towards the Jews can be debated to what was the cause of such. Some say his mothers death after being treated by a Jewish doctor. Maybe that he was part Jewish himself. The fact is that while he had a hatred for Jews and killed them, and a hatred for Catholic Priest who stood against him and killed them too, ...does it matter the “why” there were dead bodies? If a Jew was standing with his back to a mass grave and a Catholic Priest was standing next to him.... do you think it mattered to either of them why they were getting gunned down?

      Also, do not forget, there were German Jews that served in the Nazi army.

      “Based on interviews with more than 400 of these former soldiers, along with some statistical extrapolation, Rigg concluded that more than 100,000 such soldiers – who were considered Jewish, according to Nazi racial laws – served in the German military.”

      Same with Blacks and Asians also serving as Nazis. Things in history Edwardo, are not as clear cut. It is mostly gray. That Hitler disliked the Jews, many in history did and through the study of History it was not always because some priest or minister said for the people to hate them. To Hitler we could just as easily said that his dislike of Jewish business and economic interest were going against Germany.

      If you take the view that “Hitler would kill anyone he considered a threat in any way. “ and the any way was the Jewish removed from society culture and their business practices that were damaging the German economy from recovery after Versailles Treaty... would that have been a better excuse for Hitler wanting to kill the Jews?

      May 18, 2012 at 2:27 am |
  13. chooselife

    Do it for the love of yourself, to search for the truth and nothing but the truth about what life is all about. You would be irresponsible if you take your life lightly and for that matter if you take the moment of your death lightly. Human beings, in general, are not conscientious about reality, how it turns out we think, therefore we exist; we should be humble about where we are heading because once you exist, you will exist forever and ever and you are heading somewhere for sure. If what is written in the Bible is accurate, many unrepented sinners are heading to an undesirable place where they will live without the presence of God. No peace, no life, no excitement about anything. If you actually mean finding the truth, without deceiving yourself, the One up there will make sure you find it. Just have an honest disposition and He will lead you.

    May 18, 2012 at 12:54 am |
    • BamaDaniel

      Uh gun to my head bang

      May 18, 2012 at 12:57 am |
    • seektruthforitsownsake

      You are pretending that your childish beliefs in the myths of ancient goat-herders is infallible truth. But you do not see nor even consider the possibility of your error, such is your ignorance and delusion. what a wasted mind.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:06 am |
  14. mexi

    At one point, we used the Bible to justify slavery. I'm ok with civil unions. Maybe if we call them that everyone can just calm down. But I'd like to remind people that this country is not a theocracy. And the countries that I can think of that ARE governed by religion are not very nice places to live.

    May 18, 2012 at 12:42 am |
  15. Phos Phorus

    I think that Jesus was gay. I also think that instead of being pierced by the spear of Longinus, he was actually pierced by Longinus' spear...if you know what I mean!

    May 18, 2012 at 12:35 am |
    • Bootyfunk

      no doubt about it. hung with 12 dudes, never got with a woman... pretty sure his underwear were rainbow colored.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:41 am |
    • BamaDaniel

      Jesus banged Mary mag. ,church lies about it

      May 18, 2012 at 12:44 am |
    • Bootyfunk

      more like jesus got gang-banged by his disciples. and loved it.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:47 am |
    • jmac121

      wow ... all the trolls here together ... great intellectual conversation

      May 18, 2012 at 12:49 am |
    • BamaDaniel

      @booty have you ever been locked up

      May 18, 2012 at 12:54 am |
    • T42

      If you wake up in the morning – take a walk or drive to a cemetery and spend some time there. This, one day will be your last stop. You think this is joking business – the Bible is a message from God – you are spending your life crudely joking about sacred things; you could be using your time wisely. God will remember the things said here – be careful.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:58 am |
    • Bootyfunk

      only when i role play with your mom. she's like the prison scenario.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:01 am |
    • BamaDaniel

      @ booty seriously after three days in the ground who you going to see first ,your lover or your friends. I going to get me some I'll see my friends later

      May 18, 2012 at 1:04 am |
    • Phos Phorus

      T42, by chance were you sniffing rubber cement as you made that comment? You just seemed kind of high...and gay.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:09 am |
    • T42

      Phos Phorus: Go visit a cemetery.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:12 am |
    • BamaDaniel

      I am high, I love women ,Jesus saw Mary mag. first after resurrection,not his disciples,wanted to get his rocks off,after being locked up and before going on the run. I violated probation know about that

      May 18, 2012 at 1:14 am |
    • Phos Phorus

      I have visited cemeteries. My apartments actually border the property of the largest cemetery in our downtown area. People die, animals die, plants die...all organisms die. So what? I was dead for over 14 billion years, and that hasn't inconvenienced me in the slightest.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:17 am |
    • len

      Jesus is a fictional character.never existed

      May 18, 2012 at 1:31 am |
    • T42

      Phos Phorus: You are joking about sacred things you really don't understand and you don't understand anything – open the book for yourself and read – alot. Don't be lazy and shoot your mouth off from what you have picked up in conversations. After reading, unless you are lazy and won't read – there will be one of four reactions found in the book of Matthew chapter 13 verses 18-23. I'm glad you have a cemetery nearby – mabey you will see it as more that a cemetery one day.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:37 am |
    • T42

      Phos Phorus: You are joking about sacred things you really don't understand and you don't understand anything – open the book for yourself and read – alot. Don't be lazy and shoot your mouth off from what you have picked up in conversations. After reading, unless you are lazy and won't read – there will be one of four reactions found in the book of Matthew chapter 13 verses 18-23. I'm glad you have a cemetery nearby – mabey you will see it as more than a cemetery one day.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:39 am |
    • Phos Phorus

      What an ignorant fool you are to tell me that I don't understand because I don't respect your fairy tail reality. I've read your diseased book of filth several times throughout my life. I was raised Mormon, then went to a Baptist school for my elementary years, then had to read the damned thing again in high school, and when I took an Honors English class (The Modern Legacy) at my college, we were required to read the vile New Testament, in addition to the Enuma Elis and the Epic of Gilgamesh. Spare me your naive bronze-aged wit. Save it for someone that can stand the drivel you preach. Your god is a figment of the imagination of men, the book was written by men, and the religion spawned from both is equivalent to raw sewage from where I stand. Is that clear enough?

      May 18, 2012 at 2:43 am |
  16. They Need To Understand

    To all who willfully choose to post just one Scripture to condemn Gays and Lesbians, You need to also First follow ALL of the other Leviticus Scriptures, in your own life, before stopping to choose just one. When you stop to choose one or two Scriptures you 'think' condemns Gays think again! Most all of them are actually speaking to Other things, according to learned theologians, and not to Gay condemnation. christiangays.com/links/christian_other.shtml is a good example that Gays can live and worship just like anyone else and do! They also adopt and can procreate as they are not impotent regardless of what you may think. They work hard at their jobs, pay their taxes, worship in Christian churches and as Americans have the right to love whom they want and legally bond in that relationship. The majority should never be allowed to make decisions for a minority where human rights are at stake. That happened in the 1800's, 1900's and up to the Fifties with Blacks and if people had not come to their senses, they would still be looked upon as second-class citizens. Therefore, this group of Americans who are human beings and who happen to be Gay and Lesbian deserve no less!

    May 18, 2012 at 12:31 am |
    • Bootyfunk

      "To all who willfully choose to post just one Scripture to condemn Gays and Lesbians,"
      stop making excuses. the bible is clear about killing g.ays. and the condemnation of h.omos.exuals isn't in just one passage. you should probably read the bible for yourself.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:39 am |
    • jmac121

      there is actually lots of scripture to speak to this subject ... kind of doubting based on some of your comments that you have actaully read or cared to read about it

      May 18, 2012 at 12:51 am |
    • scott

      couldnt agree more Bootyfunk. people need to wake up and smell the coffee.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:54 am |
    • edwardo

      @Bootyfunk – so you're ok with murdering someone? It's ok to kill gays and lesbians? That's some loving god and religion you've got there. I'm an athiest, and I would NEVER EVER approve of killing someone, just because they did something I didn't approve of.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:02 am |
    • Bootyfunk

      ez Eduardo, i'm on your side. i have several g.ay friends and have gone to g.ay rights protests with my girlfriend to support them. because i pointed out what the bible says doesn't mean i believe that crazy tripe.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:07 am |
    • BamaDaniel

      @Eddie monster booty gay dummy

      May 18, 2012 at 1:08 am |
    • edwardo

      @Bootyfunk – My apologies... I thought you were preaching at me, by quoting some of those hateful scriptures Xtians always throw at me. My apologies !!

      May 18, 2012 at 1:10 am |
    • Bootyfunk

      no worries, brother. >8D

      May 18, 2012 at 1:14 am |
    • Observe These First

      Bootyfunk, you need to understand the Bible yourself, first, before you can point your finger and condemn as you do. Look at this and see if you don't find yourself filled with hypocrisy for not observing these Scriptures Yourself!

      EXODUS 35:2 (KJV) says "Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to DEATH." A person who works on the Sabbath should be put to death? Do you think man's law would agree with this Scripture at this point in time in this day and age? Do You? And would you go and kill those who work on the Sabbath just to obey this Scripture? If not, then don't be a hypocrit by picking and choosing only a verse that you think speaks to God being anti-Gay, which He surely isn't!

      "For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to Death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him. And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbor's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to Death." - LEVITICUS 20: 9-10 (KJV) This one needs no explanation. How many of you have cursed your father or your mother? You now know what the punishment is according to this Scripture, don't you! And if you sleep around, you surely know what the penalty for THAT is now, don't you! So, before you can criticize Gays and Lesbians for a Scripture or two you may have wrongfully gathered that does not even speak to them, are you going to obey ALL of these Scriptures first? If not, then you are the one who is an ABOMINATION before God and don't you ever forget that You Hypocrites!

      May 18, 2012 at 1:24 am |
    • Bootyfunk

      @Observer

      ummm... you really didn't read the other posts here, did you? because i point out some disgusting passages in the bible means i believe them? we're on the same side, tiger.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:30 am |
    • Observe These First

      For further clarification, my point is that these Scriptures are not to be taken literally as you have to know and realize that all they are saying is Don't Do These Things As They Are Grievous and Sinful Acts! You surely KNOW you cannot go out and cause the Death of another person due to these Scriptures that were written in a day and age when laws were obviously much different and had different meanings as well. Today, one would surely pay a very heavy penalty if not with their own life before the law if they tried to do as this says! God taught us through Jesus Christ to Love One Another despite our differences. And God's Sixth Commandment is "Thou Shalt Not Kill." Therefore, the hate should cease immediately! Every life is Precious in God's Eyes and No One, I mean No One should have to lose their life due to things like these. Understood?!

      May 18, 2012 at 2:06 am |
  17. Pascal's Wager

    Can we please lay Pascal's Wager to rest? For those who do not know it is totally irrational idea of believing in Christianity "just in case," because you have nothing to lose and everything to gain, and if you do not believe then you have nothing to gain and everything to lose.

    Here is a sampling of the many responses these comments get back:

    ME II: That's Pascal's Wager and do you really think God wants you to 'play the odds' on eternity?

    n8263: What if it turns out Islam is true? You better hope you did not pick the wrong god!

    scott: ...and I worry about YOU choosing a religion of convenience (Christianity) based on where you were born and raised. Clearly, the one true religion is Hinduism. Prove me wrong.

    Cedar Rapids: yeah, as someone said...better hope that the god you worship is the right one else you will be just as much out of luck, maybe you should worship them all to cover your bases

    sam stone: Gee, you must think that god is pretty stupid for not seeing that you are just playing the odds.

    Kevin: It is an outrage for a fellow Christian to justify their faith by essentially saying it is a safety net ... either you believe or you don't ... you are only doing yourself and everyone else a disservice by saying that you believe just in case there is a heaven you want to make sure you get in.

    n8263: What are the odds the one true religion is even around right now? Maybe it already died out, or is yet to be established. Today's major religions including Christianity have been around for less than 1% of human history. The world has seen thousands of gods come and go. You might have been born at the wrong time.

    rAmen: um, what if you're wrong and Gandalf is the real god?

    HawaiiGuest: If I am wrong, and specifically the christian bible is correct, then that god is not worthy of worship, or devotion. The god the bible paints is a vain, jealous, sadistic, and really a very inefficient god.

    Me: What you are referring to is called "Pascal's Wager" but a HUGE possibility is missed in that...what if the God/ afterlife you are worshipping/ awaiting is the wrong one? Pascal's Wager is putting all the "Eggs" in one "Basket", aka the christian god, so you are taking just as big a gamble, if not a bigger one, in believing in one of the many possibilities, instead of all or none of the

    Marcus Aurelius: Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.

    May 18, 2012 at 12:28 am |
    • avdin

      just a quick reminder in response to the Aurelius quote: all have sinned and fall short.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:40 am |
  18. AmericanJack

    The Bible was written to keep people in line...no stealing, no this, no that just so there would be some order and MONEY. It says in the Bible that God knows each one of us before we are born so how can he be mad at gay people. He knows they are gay before they come to this world! I believe in God, love for everyone......everyone.

    May 18, 2012 at 12:28 am |
    • Bootyfunk

      the bible was written by crusty old men that hated women.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:36 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      >>>"the bible was written by crusty old men that hated women."

      Yeah hated them so much that the first ones to anocence to the world that Jesus had risen from his tomb ... were women.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:07 am |
    • Bootyfunk

      the bible says to kill non-virgin brides. the bible says women are responsible for the fall of man, since they are the ones that took the apple from the serpent. god punished them with pain during child birth. the bible says women on their periods are unclean. the bible tells women to do whatever their husbands tell them. the bible says a woman that is r.aped is to marry her r.apist.

      yeah, god loves women...

      May 18, 2012 at 1:16 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      The Bible also says that we are to cherish and protect women and that they also have a place in Heaven.

      Don't get mad when we do not intepret the text in the same manner as the Taliban. In the end you are "cherry picking" the scriptures that you feel proves your point. How much different are you than all of the Faithful that have done the same things for hundreds of years?

      Both will use their intepretation and consider that all of us must or should feel the same way about a scripture as they do.

      May 18, 2012 at 2:06 am |
  19. n8263

    It is immoral to impose your religious superstition on others.

    You do not believe in religion because you honestly think it is true, you believe in it because you fear mortality, seek comfort or are trying to find meaning in your life. It does not take a genius to figure out all religion is man made, so for humanity's sake, please stop lying to yourself.

    Deluding yourself in religion does not change reality. Lying to yourself is probably the worst possible way to try to find meaning.

    May 18, 2012 at 12:23 am |
    • BamaDaniel

      Something new please anything

      May 18, 2012 at 12:25 am |
    • n8263

      My great grandmother has been dead 30yes still makes me sad nothing new about it. Seen pearl harbor survivors tear up over dead friends

      May 18, 2012 at 12:35 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      It is interesting to hear you speak of people of Faith being in fear of mortality when it is those of Faith who are the ones that go through life living without a fear of death or mortality. The meaning of life is settled and the promise of a life beyond this one is one of the basis of Faith.

      It is the Atheist that lives in constant fear because even believing that there is not a life or a judgment. Two things always will weigh on them, that is absent in the life of a person of Faith. The first is time. If a person believes that their existence only is translated into the time that their body's function on Earth then it is the clock, the calendar, and each year on the anniversary of their birth that it is drilled into them that their limited time is ticking away. Like a train coming down the tracks that they can not avoid. Fear that their lives might never have purpose or substance is the fear they live with.

      The second fear is Pascal screaming in their ears. The constant fear of what if there is is something that they will have to answer too. Maybe, it is a kin to a fear in a Faithful if he or she has the relationship with God or Gods that is correct (religions)... but at least it is a Faith that something is out there so there is not the same level of fear we witness here from some Atheist and the ones that scream the most probably have more fear than the others.

      Psalm 23:4
      “Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.”

      ...and these are the ones you are trying to tell yourself n8, are living in fear.

      Heal thine self n8263, and get back to us. 🙂

      May 18, 2012 at 1:08 am |
    • n8263

      @Mark, see Pascal's Wager post above.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:11 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      ....seen it, seen others like. My conclusion is that it is still a relevant point. I understand that Atheist would wish it away and not be reminded of it but is their desire not to face Pascal screaming in their ear enough for us to not mention it?

      Also, I am one of those many paths to God or Gods, concerns over different Faiths are not that much a issue with me. 🙂

      No Fear kid ... No Fear...

      May 18, 2012 at 1:59 am |
    • MASSIVE BALLS

      Mark. You're incorrect.

      If believers didn't live in CONSTANT FEAR, then they wouldn't believe in god. You have just been schooled. Enjoy.

      May 18, 2012 at 2:40 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      Hmm.... You are wrong.

      A person who says “ I shall fear no evil” …. is at the same time in “constant fear” …. yeah, you are not only wrong but your argument does not line up. 🙂

      Also, this is the CNN Belief Blog.... you will, most of the time need a bit more than one liners. Folks on both sides here have heard all of the catch phrases.... we are way past the “gotcha” post.

      May 18, 2012 at 2:53 am |
    • Wolves

      Check your comment. You just said that Christians impose their faith on others, proceeded to call all Christians idiots, and then imposed your lack of belief on Christians...How am I the bad guy here?

      May 18, 2012 at 3:41 am |
  20. MtnMan007

    Full disclosure – I'm Agnostic. I'm just really confused about how people can ignore all the scientific evidence about how the world was created and evolution. Do "believers" just block out all this evidence that is almost irrefutable? Can someone who believes in Creationism explain this in a logical way for me?

    May 18, 2012 at 12:21 am |
    • n8263

      No, they can not.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:24 am |
    • BamaDaniel

      Is that mud puddle in your yard making complex life I mean real stuff not some microscopic protozoa but an insect

      May 18, 2012 at 12:28 am |
    • Bootyfunk

      the explanation would go something like this:

      "i turn my brain off. evidence and proof mean nothing to me. i believe, literally, everything i read in a 2000 year old book. working backwards in the genealogies of the bible, we have worked out that the world is only 6k years old. dinosaurs never existed - god magicked them into the ground to test us. the bible is never wrong, if anyone disagrees, they are wrong, regardless of evidence. it is impossible for me to think for myself and to form my own opinions."

      May 18, 2012 at 12:31 am |
    • T42

      Seems like I feel the same way about you – there is so much that has been dug up by biblical archaeologist and ignored by your type – every time someone like you opens their mouth a biblical archaeologist shoves another spade in it. Your so called evidence is only enamored by those who don't want to be held accountable for their actions and thus look for a way out.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:32 am |
    • bg0815

      I'm an educated Creationist and would be happy to have a discussion or email exchange around it. The purpose isn't to 'Prove' creation...that is believed by faith. That being said, I don't see how an educated individual looks at evolutionary theory and feel 100% convinced that it is truth. It sounds great, but as you logically extrapolate what would have had to happen in order for evolution to be true is ridiculous to me. I can logically walk through some discussions with you around why evolution is not truth. Creation is supernatural so there's no need to try to adhere to logic in a sense that we understand.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:32 am |
    • BamaDaniel

      Booty what up.ag good thumpers knows dinos are in the bible

      May 18, 2012 at 12:33 am |
    • Bootyfunk

      BamaDaniel, you closeted g.ay h.omophobe, how are you? been spreading more ignorance on the CNN blogs, i see.

      scientists took water and basic elements, electrified the water and got amino acids, the building blocks of life. no one has ever claimed an insect, which is a fairly complex form of life, sprang spontaneously to life in a mud puddle. you constantly show you have no idea what you're talking about.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:34 am |
    • Bootyfunk

      dinos in the bible. lol. good one.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:35 am |
    • hard on

      ^ smh...stupidest retort...ever.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:35 am |
    • Bootyfunk

      okay, i'll humor you. where does it say there are dinos in the bible? chapter and verse, pls.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:40 am |
    • bg0815

      As I mentioned I would be happy to have a conversation about the faulty logic of evolution. I'm not sure if this will let me post my email address but I will give it a shot by spelling it out: bulldog0815 at gmail dot com

      May 18, 2012 at 12:41 am |
    • BamaDaniel

      But have you seen amino acids turn into complex life .it's been 4 billion years life should be come out of nothing all the time.booty ,water electricity,and basic elements, produces amino acids .that's your proof hahaha.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:43 am |
    • Bootyfunk

      bg, there is no fault with evolution. you may have a problem with logic, however. christians hate facts.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:43 am |
    • Bootyfunk

      lol, perhaps you don't understand what amino acids are. look it up. you'll be fascinated. can't have life without them. of course you probably don't believe in amino acids. you probably think they are made up by scientists.

      read this article:
      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/03/120309104845.htm

      May 18, 2012 at 12:46 am |
    • BamaDaniel

      I know what they are .have they evolved .any verse that says dragon. You're reading it like the bible thumpers.dragon meant very big lizard .like komodo very big lizard.not fire breathing
      Myth that came later

      May 18, 2012 at 12:52 am |
    • Bootyfunk

      hahaha, dragon means dinosaur to you? of course it does. komodo dragon is not very big. they weigh about 150 pounds. 150 lizard does not a dragon make. sowwy, make another excuse for the bible.

      satyrs are in the bible too. what's your explanation of them?

      May 18, 2012 at 1:05 am |
    • Bootyfunk

      hahaha, dragon means dinosaur to you? of course it does. komodo dragons are not very big. they weigh about 150 pounds. 150 lizard does not a dragon make. sowwy, make another excuse for the bible.

      satyrs are in the bible too. what's your explanation of them?

      May 18, 2012 at 1:05 am |
    • Bootyfunk

      BamaDaniel, are you suggesting the people of the bible saw dinosaurs and thought they were dragons?

      also, komodo dragons aren't in the middle east. how could they possibly have seen them and mistaken them for dragons?

      May 18, 2012 at 1:08 am |
    • MtnMan007

      Just reading through replies. That's kinda what I expected to see. Oh well – thanks anyway.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:28 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      >>>”Can someone who believes in Creationism explain this in a logical way for me?”

      Hi MtnMan. Check the steps of order in the Biblical Creation. I am talking the seven days. Now check the theories of Big Bang theory. Are they that far off.

      For example, Genesis 1:2

      “And the earth was without form, and void;”

      From Evolutionist we hear theories that the Earth was this blob of molten rock floating around space. Basically, it was without form.

      The steps from there of the Biblical “let there be light” (creation of the Sun) and the day into night (rotation of the Earth) are close enough to Evolutionist theory that I never saw a either or situation. Then, that some Evolutionist declare that plant life began first and then Creationist point to Genesis 1:11-12

      “11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
      12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.”
      Then we move a few scripture later and we see that animal life came from the sea which is again not so dis-similar than the evolutionist theory.

      For me, I just look at Creationist scripture and Evolutionist theory and can not find enough to go to war over. I look upon it as if God came and showed some farmer or regular guy how he or she created all of the planet, what words would the farmer come up with to describe what was revealed to him. You might not accept this as logical and maybe a few Creationist would also reject this view of seeing the parallels between Creationism and Evolutionism.

      My question to you is that being aware that the Creation scriptures do not, just state an instant “all at once” creation by God, but detailed steps of Creation, can you explain how the writer of Genesis came to see these steps when it would take mankind hundreds of years to attempt to define the steps as evolution?

      May 18, 2012 at 1:52 am |
    • Wolves

      Hi! Believer here!
      You asked how I deal with Evolution theory in regards to my faith. Here's how. I don't ignore it. I'm a habitual reader of Nat Geo. Here's how i fit it together. Evolution, the Big Bang, those are the mediums that God used to create the world. The Bible says, "In the beginning, God Created the heavens and the Earth." It says that when he spoke, things came into being. He created, but it never says how. How did he create the world? I believe that Evolution, and the Big Bang are the ways he created the world. We are learning how God made the world by studying these theories, which is awesome.
      But the Bible says that it took 7 days for God to make the world, right? Here's the thing. Calendars, and our measures of time have drastically changed since the first four books of the Bible were written. How are we to know how long a day was before the Earth was made? Also, God exists outside of time. He is the Beginning and the End. So how does time measure for a being outside time?
      Those are just my thoughts. I'm not a theologian, so if you want a more professional view i suggest you look for a good book on the subject. But not the internet. The internet is full of crazy's when it comes to this. 🙂

      May 18, 2012 at 2:19 am |
    • MASSIVE BALLS

      Mark from moron river. Check the creation myth again. There are two different myths in Genesis. Chapter one explains the myth, and chapter two explains the myth, but not the same as chapter one. They contradict each other. You have been schooled again. Enjoy.

      May 18, 2012 at 2:54 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      Hi Massive. You know, when they start name calling I know I got them, often times because when I come with peace and tolerance, they start name calling out of fear.

      You just said that Gen1 and Gen 2 are two different segments but where did I compare to say that they were different and did not contradict. Actually, where did I say anything about separate chapters. My comparisons were to the Creationist scriptures and Evolutionist Theory and how they agree a bit more than some feel comfortable that they do. That if you lay both side by side they are not polar opposites.

      I would love to see where I was comparing Gen 1 and Gen 2. Can you show me where I compared them?

      May 18, 2012 at 3:51 am |
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